Weatherlight l The Resleevables #17 l Magic: The Gathering History MTG
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan are here for their deep dive on Magic's eleventh expansion - Weatherlight!
The duo dissect the third set in Mirage block, with their thoughts on its notable poor returning mechanics, its lack of cycles, and how it kicked off the epic Weatherlight Saga, one of the biggest storylines in Magic history.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
3:43 Facts
14:35 Lore
20:51 Mechanics
30:27 Cycles
41:13 Trivia
1:01:50 Awards Show
1:16:52 Grade
1:33:09 Card Image Gallery
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To Editor John, every time the "1197 Creatures Affected" comes up makes me grin. Please never stop doing it.
That number is going up real soon
John is a GOAT, his editor cutscenes have me literally crying sometimes. I super appreciate his humor
Weatherlight deserves credit for, after 2 years, converting slowtrips to immediate-draw cantrips, saving a whole lot of words and the feel-bads of forgetting your draw next turn.
Can we PLEASE get some resleevables branded playmats of Patrick in his mind palace? 🙏🙏
That would be so sick
I need this
Jibari's Banner was a reference to Sidar Jibari, the leader of the armies of Femerev--legendary creature that tapped an opposing creature when it attacked. A commander of Jibari was made for March of the Machines Commander, as he's still alive in New Zhalfir.
4 lands available to pick from for the John Avon award, chooses the only land that isn't drawn by Avon.
Hey, man, Avon may be the undisputed champ, but that doesn't mean he won every single match in his career
@@Zomburai45scorched ruins >>> any other land in the set
@@abbiemcdaniels3122 gotta agree there, to be fair im biased since its my favorite land that i own 23 copies of that i bought back when it was 3$.
Sometimes even legends turn up short
Abeyance was so strong when the set released that it lead WOTC to redefine how lands tapped for mana, because, at the time, tapping a land for mana was considered an activation cost, meaning Abeyance could completely shut down your opponent's turn (leading to it's nickname "White Time Walk"). I think the card spiked to $30 or so before the rules change. There was an article that Mike Flores wrote talking about this around the time Weatherlight was ported to MTGO, but I don't think it survived the great article purge at wizards a few years back.
Well, tapping lands were still an activation cost after that change (and still are today). It's just that they started differentiating between activation costs that are or aren't mana abilities.
@@hermodnitter3902 For lands they did. Null Rod, in the same set, has always shut down artifact mana since Day 1 and has the same wording as Abeyance. They just decided, kinda arbitrarily, that it was too powerful for Abeyance to shut off lands so it didn't after errata.
@@JD-gk7eh yeah, I could have added that Abeyance in specific was erratad in order to work as intended (as by separating with the mana/non-mana abilities). My point is still valid though, that tapping even lands are still considered an activated ability.
Cedric and Pat thank you for this podcast and all this wonderful history. Would absolutely love to have you two back in the commentator booth for a large tournament again I miss it so much.
Every time resleevables drop an episode I can't believe how lucky we are to still be getting content from the booth duo that got me hooked on watching mtg coverage as a competitive YGO player
I have to know what Cedric is planning for the 1-of 4th Edition Ironclaw Orcs!
I'm pretty certain that that object on the ground in the art of Gemstone Mine is not a flashlight but a chisel.
Most funny card for multiplayer, Bubble Matrix.
First big tournament I played in was the Weatherlight pre-release in Vancouver. I managed to top 8 using a lot of Fire Whips and my brother finished 2nd with Empyrial Armor I believe. It finished so late we had to walk home two cities over for hours because busses had stopped. There were no previews back then and it was so fun to try an evaluate the cards seeing them first time in draft. Great memories!
The story of the Weatherlight was made for Tempest and onward. The designers of Weatherlight heard the story and wanted to use it already in this set, making it a sort of prequel to the Weatherlight saga starting next set. Makes it a bit of a weird one.
Source: Maro's podcast. 😊
Heya! Loves the segment on notable cards. I appreciate y'all's ability to talk about sets you don't think are that great while still keeping the show fun and upbeat.
I really like the card frames in Weatherlight. Think that's when the old school frame started to look really good.
Started to look good? The frame was the same as for a long time. The only difference is the text box of the lands changed (to the better).
@@hermodnitter3902 Necroposting this to say that, while you are, I'm pretty sure, right to say Weatherlight didn't bring anything new to the card design, the pre-Mirrodin card layout changed in slight ways pretty frequently early on. The largest change, other than the land text box, is that they changed the size of the text box to better visually align with the art. That change happened in Mirage, I believe. Compare to cards in Homelands and see that the old text box is aligned with the art itself, and not the surrounding bezel part. Otherwise you mostly saw the position of the artist credit jostle around for a while, but again, I don't think Weatherlight changed that one way or the other.
Mistmoon Griffin was also a card that cared about graveyard order.
Great video, the cards in this set bring back some good memories, especially Empyrial Armor.
Loved the notable cards segment! A blast from the past!!!
agree with Patrick. Weatherlight was a fun set. that and urza's block were basically my peak time playing magic. i also really loved that you could see like the whole story through the cards. someone pointed out recently that you could basically lay out the whole set and just see the whole story from start to finish. everything was there. (EDIT: i just checked, and i think that was actually tempest haha! nevermind! these two sets definitely seem much more related in terms of story and the names of the sets)
i know that it was totally disconnected to mirage and visions, but at the time, i wasn't really aware of blocks being connected stories. i saw the similarities between mirage and visions, and weatherlight was just another set that was similar to some of the older magic which was all really bleeding together anyway, and even brought back some characters we knew. urza's block was probably the first time i really got what they were doing with block cycles, and that's cos the names were a bit more obvious obvious and that's when they started doing the black/silver/gold symbols for rarity. can't wait for the next few videos. it's gonna be fun, but i do have a special place in my heart for Weatherlight
The set I started to play Magic, so looking forward to some nostalgia
My usual EDH comment around a weird card from the ep: Psychic Vortex in Muldrotha is really fun
hey fellas, happy to see the notable card section added
Another +1 comment for the notable cards section. Really enjoyed it.
Gemstone Mine has a chisel on the ground, not a flashlight
What is a chisel if not a really, really bad flashlight?
@@PinfeldorfI feel like you have it backwards. One would be hard pressed to light up a path with a chisel, but a flashlight can at least theoretically transfer the kinetic energy of a hammer into another object.
I’m happy that this video is bringing out all the Bluey watching Magic playing dads haha
I love all the ways Weatherlight shifted magic, from new exploring design space (some real misses with the hits) but also the story! It was also my first pre-release and the first set I still tried to collect every card from. I have a real love for this set. It's not a 10/10, but it's a personal favorite for me.
Another Bluey dad representing!
Yo the end card gallery beat is 🔥really cool addition to the show!
Great show guys. This was the set that started weening me off of the game. Until 2017 when I came back. Thanks for the memories! 🤟
Weatherlight hits me in the nostalgias - still one of my favorite sets, but THIS is (for me) when Magic cards really felt slick and unique. Also, get on the Bluey bandwagon, Cedric!!!
Harvest Wurn with a turn one Havenwood Battleground was my jam. Turn 2, sac it for 2, and get it back, and also play a forest for a birds or Llanowar Elves...
This is the set when i was a kid where i felt like i really started to "get it", but i completely memory holed none of these story characters even being in the set!
As usual an excellent rewind, see you next time for Tempest ! ❤
It's so funny that fungus elemental is meant to be a fixed wood elemental
notable cards are a sick addition!
the best cycle in this set is the one Maraxus of Keld is on
I'm sure that's a chisel on the ground in Gemstone Mine, not a flashlight.
Perhaps he meant fleshlight? 🤣
🤣 bandit looking at the camera with varying levels of derp face is gonna destroy me
I realized watching this that the flavor text for Disrupt is Sam Jackson's line in Pulp Fiction after he shoots Flock of Seagulls on the couch in opening.
one of my memories of this set id like to share. Im in alabama and i go to lgs, there is a small list of names and phone numbers by the phone in the back of local guys that play games. i cold call about 15 people and finally one random that is new to the game agrees to head down to jam some games. long story short , he is very new to the game and the only cards in his collection are 2 full boxes of weatherlight that he constructed multiple decks out of. llanowar sentinel when youre letting a new guy go over the 4x max was insane.
24:00 you should know who Jabari is (Sidar Jabari), one of the few ties back to Mirage in Weatherlight. And to Patrick’s point a few minutes earlier about the absence of story characters appearing as legends, at least one of the components of the legacy weapon made an appearance in a huge way (Null Rod)
I loved the lore of this set. I used to read tge MTG fiction novels, I can't remember specifically what book, but there was one involving the characters from weatherlight. I remember the story was awesome, I think they fought the phyrexians, but it was so long ago, its hard to remember. I only remember how much I loved the story and characters lol. When I finally pulled Volrath, the Fallen, I was so happy. I thought that card was going to be really good, super rare, and worth a lot. Turns out I was wrong about that haha.
This was such a pivotal set in the early game's history. If you missed the very early initial rush of the game, you never knew a good magic release. There was a stretch of sets that included Fallen Empires, Chronicles, 4th Edition, Homelands, Ice Age block, and most of Mirage Block. That's a lot of really bad Magic sets. Historically bad. There was a real apprehension that all new Magic product was going to be trash. Weatherlight was the first set in my head that changed the trajectory. New Magic could be interesting and pose interesting ideas to build around. Not perfect by any means, but a truly sea level change that led to better things and changed the downward momentum.
For not having cards of the crew, they say or are referred to on half the flavor text of the entire set.
I would love to see yall do standalone games of historical constructive, Maybe not just from one expansion but maybe from a single block. I think it could be fair to say that someone knew a relatively new player would have often made a substantial investment in a single block and suddenly have something like 75% to 90% of their collection from that block.
The really good psychic vortex deck is obeka brute chronologist in edh btw. She exiles the bad trigger from the stack, so it's just incremental draw for her
The card Master of Arms is Gerrard, actually...
Oof, that is such a dull design for such an important character. Even got nerfed with the later rules changes for blockers, lol...
Weirdly weatherlight had a mild graveyard theme, yes, but was also the first 'nostalgia set', intentionally referencing and bringing back older settings and such. Feels crazy when the game was so young but at the time when even seeing a Black Lotus was a memorable event, Lotus Vale felt special!
Good call. Pendrell Mists to Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Maraxus of Keld to Keldon Warlord, Foriysian Brigade to the Two-Headed Giant of Foriys, and Benalish had its first callbacks in this set.
50:47 Nice to have Cedric confirm I've been pronouncing this card name exactly right
Carol and John's! Kamm's Corners-Cleveland, OH what have you! We are blessed with many comic shops and LGS here
Wutang Wubrg bringing me a lot of joy ahahah
Ah a fellow Bluey enjoyer
I loved playing with those oversized vanguard cards. wish they made more of them.
I seem to remember that back in the day, characters only got their Legendary card when they died in the storyline. Maybe this is just something my friends and I made up or maybe it explains the absence of any Legends in this set?
I don't deserve you two in my life, but I'll take it!!
The Weatherlight Theme Deck Boxes are sweet. I'd literally buy them right now if they would print them.
I still play psychic vortex with dream halls and ensnaring bridge
Love it.
Weatherlight is like Iceage in my mtg story. My friend group was geeking about the story. ... I never knew it had any relation to Mirage lol
Man, hearing the issues with the lore disorganization laid out like this, it's tragic. If there had been a coherent story told over a block ... at that time? I actually might have stayed a MTG player post HighSchool
This one should be interesting. I'll state right off the bat I give this set a 5, maybe a 6 -- close anyway, The cards were pretty good, but my gawd the story was awful. Hokey doesn't begin to describe it, and this is Magic the Gathering, where in-depth story telling has to take a back seat to a lot of things.
In a quirk of the print run, I never knew until just a few years ago there was a batch printed in the USA. When the set was current, I never saw any boxes not printed by Carta Mundi in Belgium on the U.S. West Coast. I had always assumed this was in response to the lackluster quality of the Visions cards we saw out here. This had the wonky common slot like Visions, but in this case the rarities, I think, were the same on both the U.S. and Belgian printings (unlike Visions).
I won't get to watch this until later, so I'll comment more then.
my favorite use with gaea's blessing was things like hermit druid, tolarian serpent and such just always having my better cards, one deck I had tried to make was using that with bazaar of wonders :> slowly weaken my oponents ability to cst spells, while due to gaea's blessing I was constantly able to use my instants and soerceries.
Fungus Elemental makes a little more sense knowing it's a 'fixed' Wood Elemental
And then in Stronghold we had the "en-kor" creatures which were a fixed version of banding.
"The lore is not really connected to Tempest block..." I'm not sure I get what you mean here. Weatherlight's story is a bit light but it's an introduction to the crew of the ship; the reason the crew goes to Rath is to rescue Sisay and she's kidnapped in this set. Or between this and Visions; she is a minor part of the Mirage storyline as well. In any case, Weatherlight is about the formation of the crew that forms the backbone of the story for the next 4 years. I know it's a lot thinner than we have now, but it was a lot richer than anything before it. They really fix this in Tempest, the first set to tell the story in the card art, but at least Weatherlight alludes to its major characters better.
First set I ever played sealed!
My favourite show❤
you should make videos dueling the old precon decks vs each other. many millenials grew up on those
one thing about precons is some of them were brokenly good :> The aluren/recyclce/over run deck was pretty good deck, and two of them pretty much gave you a deck you needed :> Then slivers gave you the cards to use. used to obliterate my friends with it :> put down like 30 cards, then over run and attack.
I love how they kept comultative upkeep around but not on the any actual lock pieces where that might be an appropriate thing to do. stopping something for a few turns ok. stopping everything for ever. bad.
Null rod would be interesting in standard atm bc of all the treasure and clue tokens.
Woah woah woah, what in the heck is Nic Fit? I only understand deck names as [color combo] + [deck archetype]. 🤣
just put yourself in the 90s when all the deck names were references or cereal
Abeyance was fire since it stopped mana (due to poor wording/old rules) from being tapped for
White timewalk with a cantrip, BUSTED!
I'm sorry but I really want a Weatherlight Preconstructed gameplay video now 😂
Nic Fit fans everywhere: “there are dozens of us! DOZENS!”
Guys its only been a week chill
Volraths Shapeshifter from stronghold cared about GY order
anyone else play lotus vale like a black lotus. like play vale, before it buries add mana. mana could be added at any point during that time. Was my play group just not familiar with the rules?
This set didn’t knock it out of the park but it certainly deserves a better grade than 2. I’d even go as high as 5. And no mention of the Easter egg in Sage Owl 🦉!! 😢
(cedric dumping on weatherlight) (me tilting my neck 30º left to look at the framed Weatherlight posted on my wall)
As kia did the turn one firestorm thing not understanding how it worked.
If you actually pay attention to the lore, it is not completely separate from the mirage story. It all ties together
Wow harvest wurm is actually pretty good with Gitrog
psychic vortex is what the one ring should have been
Hey guys, love watching every episode but can someone please fix the mic balance of the mics? Both Patrick and Cedric are completely blown out and constantly popping and spiking, it make the show a hard listen sometimes, which is pretty important for a podcast.
I think a 2 is too harsh, despite all of Cedric’s criticism being valid.
As the ostensible 3rd set of a block, it’s quite poor. As a cohesive expansion it’s also pretty lacking. But there are a lot of great individual cards with historical pedigree, many of which still see play today. You can’t say the same for most early expansions which mostly have a few broken cards and tons of forgettable chaff.
And the saga continues…
Here I was, excited that we were getting into one of the baddest story lines in all of magic. Then it turns out that it merely plays lip service to cool cards and characters from much later. It's the final set of a block it has nothing to to with lorewise and amounts to a bumbled teaser trailer. I should have known something was up when I saw how "relatively" short the run time is.
As far as lore goes, Tempest block has 3.5 sets and Mirage block has 2.
Something up with Cedric's mic. :s
This was the set where I stopped playing for the first time. The primary reason was how much I disliked the set's lore, especially considering it was the end of the block. As a kid, I grew attached to the Mirage setting.
this show is a little bit like Cheap Seats from the Sklar brothers
Another "fun fact" is that there are no multicolored cards in Weatherlight!
Can you invite Eugine Harvey to come play with you.? Or, Mr. Harvey, if you're trolling the comments.....
Calling this a bad set is ridiculous
Weatherlight has a special terrible place in my Magic journey. I quit magic twice so far, the first time was in school because of Weatherlight. This set was so bad for casual players let me tell you. First pack I pulled I got the face card of the set, Steel Golem. This Licid POS design was so bad I said to myself "if this is how far magic has come then it's not creative enough to keep my interest"
1:02:58 At least Xanthic Statue has kind of a cool name, befitting a monument of a long-dead civilization that can rise again to fight... what's that? "Xanthic" means "yellowish"? Worst card in the set!
pat looks like he showered today
I look forward to these videos from you guys so so much
Another fun show! I really loved these cards as a kid haha man so many fun over powered and strange cards they gave us to use our imaginations with and try to put together odd strategies. Got to agree with the mind stone! I love that card so much