Graeme Souness REJECTS Martin Keown's Claims That Spurs ONLY Care About Arsenal NOT Winning The PL 🔥
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- talkSPORT's Graeme Souness rubbishes Martin Keown's claims that Tottenahm's main focus is stopping rivals Arsenal from winning the Premier League.
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Why are they pretending that they don't understand what Keown was saying. They literally have a colleague who played for spurs saying the same thing!!!
SJ is an assh ole. He once implied that Arsenal's lack of trophies, good performances during the late Wenger's eras was somehow due to the rise of the AFTV and its fans as if those people had some say in the running of the club. However he can say the similar thing about Spurs.
It was part of it not the main reason but a part
Jamie a former Spurs player has been saying exactly what Martin said. Simon is just being stubborn and silly taking low jabs at Martin for no reason.
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@@anubis8918 so the question is how many more former or current Spurs players who are Spurs through and through would think the same? it can't be jettisoned as nonsense like these 2 class captains are trying to do. Simon on this matter needs to stop digging his heels and they could put calls out to people who know more about the club's inner workings to speak then we could know the reality of things
@@eghosa92 ohara thinks that because he is a spurs fan.
He was a spurs fan before he was a spurs player.
He's talking from the context of what he currently is,a spurs fan.
What he thinks as a player and what he thinks as a fan are 2 very different things
West Ham has never been a rival. Rival suggests parity. Spurs are not a rival either. Just a local small club with allot of fans.
@@noble7461that describes all the London clubs except Chelsea.
It's funny how everyone has forgotten that actual Chelsea Players more or less said they would throw the game against Leicester to stop Spurs winning the league. Actual players, not pundits or fans.
Oh yeh we only won it by 10 points and the Bottlers finished 3rd 😂😂😂😂We didn’t need Chelsea for any favours
Is that the season spurs finished 3rd in a two horse race ? 😂
Was that the year spurs finished third in a two horse race ?🤣
@HGMM83 you’re either clueless about football , not very bright or just a spurs fan which both apply ! Which one are you?
They didn’t say that at all you whopper, they said they would give Tottenham a game in the hope it would stop them winning the title, they said nothing about chucking a game against Leicester.
Simon is holding on semantics. Of course Martin meant the Spurs fans
Why did Martin say players, owners and managers then?
Simon must protect his Daniel Levy.
@@barneyhall2753 Simon mentioned owners not Martin. He mentioned fans consistently. You’re either deaf or stupid and/or support Spurs
@@barneyhall2753he didn’t, he just said Spurs and Simon twisted it
@@user-bh4tg9vu5uhe absolutely said the players. Crazy you’d lie about this. Swarthenal fans and bold faced lying.
Martin is bang on!!!!!!
Of course. And they all know it😂
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Proper pathetic fan base 😂
@@sidbob1215 all fanbases are the same genius
@@muzikkification that’s funny.
Did you see city fans accusing Utd of throwing the game against arsenal the other day??
Martin didn't say owners or management he was simply speaking about the spuds fans😅
He didn't have to. Ange has come out and said it. Conte and Jose did. It's over for any sort of actual rivalry.
Tottenham have 1 league Cup in the last quarter of a century.........nuff said.
Just listen to social media and your own talk sport channel, Keown is absolutely right.
Martin using reverse psychology
Every spurs fan I have spoken to is willing them to lose 😂
Souey talking about the dressing rooms he was in is irrelevant. For two reasons. 1) his dressing rooms were never the Tottenham in this equation. They were the Manchester City. So he does not have that same direct experience he alludes to. 2) The world has massively change since Souey retired. It was possible in the 80s and even 90s for players to be largely ignorant of what fans thought beyond the atmosphere in the stadium. Now with social media, with 24 hour sports news it is almost impossible that those Spurs players are not hearing their own fanbase say "please do not win this game." It's okay while the game is 0-0 or if Spurs get in front but I promise you if City score first there will be players on that pitch for Spurs who feel a sense of relief at that and their desire to press for an equaliser will not be what it would have been if this game was 6-8 weeks ago. That is just the reality of the world we are in. Keown was right.
You are a clown. Simple !!
Remember everyone it's Spurs who are completely obsessed with everything Arsenal do, they even made up a day for celebrating finishing above them. Oh wait...
Martins right, I want us to lose against city
Spurs fans still celebrating the 2008 league cup
like arsenal fans still celebrate the 2004 invincibles
Obviously I was there like the rest of the trophies I've seen while you're crying online about it 🙄
@@omegaman6494 lol big difference
@@omegaman6494 league title>>>>>>>>>>>milk cup
@@djrampantuk what are you on about?
They’re gonna get pumped regardless.
He's spot on
Martin is absolutely right all my spurs mates said they'll happily forfeite the city game but they can still make the champions league 😂😂
If they beat City they can still (and probably will) miss champions league so it would be the worst of both worlds. Aston Villa only needs to beat Palace who are already at the beach.
@@TP-pq9xxno they aren’t palace have been every team lately are you deluded or ill
The verbal gymnastics continue. 😂
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Simon and Graeme proceed to laugh off everything Martin said …… few mins in every spurs fan that rang in basically backed up Martin’s opinion, Simon needs to get over his hatred for Martin and smell the roses , even presenters in there own studio are saying what Martin has been saying
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Martin was talking about the Spurs fans.
I would argue though that Levy was always looking over the fence at Arsenal’s new stadium and training ground and had to make sure they were bigger.
Arsenal has always been Spurs’ benchmark.
Arsenal have the largest training ground in Britain and Shedsea modelled their gaff on the Arsenal training ground . As ever we lead, the rest follow ...eventually.
True but Spurs have both the best ground & training facilities in England.
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Well he achieved that as both are levels above Arsenal's, so Spurs are the benchmark for that now.
@@jmo4952 yes exactly spurs were jealous of Arsenal so they had to go and make a bigger stadium and better training grounds but still they are not even half the club Arsenal are😂
Someone last night was saying they would rather spurs relegated than see Arsenal win the league. Small club.
Just a pathetic attitude to have. Cutting off ones nose to spite their face
Bloke who said he would rather see spurs be relegated than see Arsenal win league is a stupid remark...but bottom line is everyone hates Arsenal but there supporters
The problem is you Arsenal's fans who think everyone has to help you all the time.
It's not Spurs' or West Ham's problem that you din't do your job properly and are now in your two rival's hands.
@@gabrielabarros2036it’s not about getting/begging for help. Ofc the fans want other clubs to help in the final day of the season. The reality of what is being discussed is professional integrity and clubs being/playing equally competitive against everyone and especially not downing tools to help/dent a specific team.
@@darrenkilbane2613 Their supporters!
Funny how no one is suggesting Man U threw their game against Arsenal to make things harder for City 🤔
Beucxase there was no way in hell United were ever wining that match
@@willtallis5275 assnal are struggling in that game did you not watch Im sure even Casemeiro would agree he gifted them the goals.
@@danieltan6742 one mistake doesn’t mean arsenal were struggling we had 2 shots on target at a game at home they was completely comfortable
How is 1991 nearly 40 years ago? Can Martin count?
it's gonna be 40 soon anyway why are you so pressed
I was driving to work yesterday and saw a British geezer with a spurs shirt on. I put my window down and said to him “you guys better win!” He responded to me with “I certainly hope not”. I was stunned and just left 😆 crazy ass fans.
Alright boys..no team talk today..just go out there remember dont forget the highline
I'm a spurs fan and all I care about is our own season. I would rather put pressure on villa. I enjoy the fact that city struggle against us.
You’re a real one good luck to your team on Tuesday .
Dude you are not that park the bus team no more that City struggle with
@@GermanChickenwing 3-3 against city earlier season with Royal and Davies playing at centre back.
@danielturner7213 I believe you know the difference between then and now.. A bad inform City and a good inform City are different
@@GermanChickenwing of course. But no reason to fear city and that last game spurs weren't in the best form either.
Maybe next time Arsenal should rely on themselves instead of their rivals
Arsenal have been brilliant this season and with correct refereeing decisions would already have the title wrapped up...what is your point?
@@AB-gb6zz they haven’t been good enough otherwise they wouldn’t need other teams to help them. You have to be perfect when going up against city it’s just a fact this isn’t nothing new. Look at what Liverpool had to do just to win 1 PL from them doesn’t matter how brilliant arsenal have been when we know against city you have to be near perfect
@@helmtk4562 Arsenal have lost at least 6 points this season due to suspicious referee decisions. City have gained at least 6 points through dodgy decisions.
The league is rigged.
Levy does, remember when he tried to block the Ozil deal to Arsenal when Spurs were selling Bale to Real Madrid
Well said Graeme 👏
Arsenal have to play the undefeated Tracky DYCHE 😮
At the Emirates on the final day of the season☺️🤗
@@kiguyecollins3443 the ginger Simeoni will not want to lose 😎
@@kiguyecollins3443lol emirates helped you last season didnt it you pleb you already bottle it against West Ham and Fulham during festive period
@@agentancelotti2985if City pass the test against Spurs it won’t even matter cause they’ll probably steamroll West Ham
Graeme’s argument is flawed because he’s saying professionalism will prevent Spurs players from not trying. But he’s also accused players eg Utd players, of not playing for managers in the past and trying to get them sacked! So clearly, professionalism doesn’t always ring true
So that’s an entirely different argument than martins. Yes professional athletes are incredibly lazy so it’s like Tottenham players won’t try very hard but they aren’t doing it because they dislike arsenal. It’s because they dislike exerting themselves.
@dannytallmage2971.. not quite. Basically, if Graeme can argue that in his opinion a dislike for the manager has made players act unprofessionally and not try hard enough, then he can’t say what Martin is saying is not possible
I haven't heard or read one asking any gooner, if the roles were reversed, would they want to win and help Spurs achieve the Premiership?
That’s funny haha imagine spurs winning a trophy
That would require Spurs to be in the position to actually win something, in the first place. That said, if position were reversed, I would still want my team, Arsenal, to win. The team I support would always come first.
So has Keown got inside information about Tottenham's objective ?
better keep an eye on the match for match fixing
The same thing happened when spurs were in the champions league final. Arsenal fans on AFTV said they’d prefer to lose the Europa final if it meant spurs lost the CL final. It’s called rivalry
Arsenal fan here:
I agree with you on that. I was 1 of those 🤣🤣
@@Cesccyexactly. And can you honestly say if the roles were reversed you wouldn't want city to win?
@@thf3038 I got no issue at all!
The difference is that if Arsenal lost Europe or won it, it had no influence on the CL. If Tottenham goes with the attitude that the fans want, they will be investigated for match-fixing, that is the difference.
Watch the spurs fans celebrate tonight after they lose to 115fc. Then you’ll see the mentality.
Proof will be in that snapshot of behaviour.
Ange went against the fans saying it won't role the red carpet out
not the players. Vicario will not play well tomorrow he is in on it.
*roll
Where was pride the last 5 games??
Of couse Souness rejects it. It's hardly surprising
If they can’t get in the cl which might be the case after tonight why would they give arsenal a helping hand there’s zero upside
Martin set the place a light. Errr no Jim ffs 😂
Sir Jordanite & Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts
Arsenal fans would want their side to lose against City if it was Chelsea that stood to miss out on the title and they had nothing else to play for (I’d say spurs as well but let’s not be silly, that wouldn’t ever happen)
Thank you Graeme.
Leaking roof @ old trafford is indicative of the the football team
Ok. If you stay in the bath too long your fingers go crinkly
The roof leaked like that when Fergie was there but beucase they were winning nobody said anything about it get a grip the stadium is well old
Expecting the club you taunt all the time of being inferior to help you win your first league in 20 years is the type of delusion you can only get from Arsenal fans 🤣🤣🤣
Everyone forgets Utd vs Spurs in 1999 then, up 1-0 at HT last game of season, Ferdinand admitted they didn’t want to play second half, lost 2-1. Utd won the title.
didn’t Arsenal fans say they’d happily lose the Europa League if Spurs lost the Champions League in 2019😂
24+hrs Keown was right. Ange has said it now, Conte said it, Jose said it. No Arsenal fan should ever see them as rivals. Idc about NL proximity, 1900s promotion nonsense. It ended last night.
Martin sounds angry that he knows the league has gone
Let’s talk about someone who’s not even there. Pathetic.
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"all these Tottenham fans" its ridiculous 2% fan base click bait . Whats amusing is this type of reporting is across all spheres of media
The fans, yes, woudl not want it. But Ange didnt' grow up a Tottenham fan, did he? Did Son? or Van der Ven or Richarlison? It won't mean much to them. Souness is right, players are professionals and it's a job. people in any job generally want to do it well, if not only for the money.
As an Arsenal Fan I must be somewhat odd.For myself, just as long as Arsenal beat Tottenham and finish higher in the League that is enough.I am not anti Spurs or any other Team for that matter.Interestingly, over the years, several of the players have had very good Friends in the opposing camp.Hoddle and Graham Rix come readily to mind for one. Interestingly I thought that Manchester United were trying against Arsenal Yesterday.Particularly so when looking at their recent performances.What is the difference then between them and City viz a viz the two London Clubs.
That Luke is an absolute whopper. Probably a Twitter fan who has barely stepped foot in Tottenham. Prat.
It’s a weird take from Keown seeing as it’s the Arsenal fans that celebrate St Totterings day or whatever it is.
Integrity of the league will be gone if a team decides to loose.... and the other team becomes Champion
Agree with Souness
Seems Keown was right.
how many times have spurs finished in front of ARSENAL in the PL?ONCE OR TWICE IN 25YRS
6 times. 16/17, 17/18, 18/19, 19/20, 20/21, 21/22. Might be worth you going back to school to learn counting
Look at the comments section, Martin is bang on right.
Well that is a lie isn't it? Whilst Arsenal weren't winning titles. Arsenal were still FA cups.7:41
Funny how Jim rephrases the point to "Arteta will hope Spurs do them a favor" which is completely different from "Ange will be okay with/complicit in Spurs losing"
Gross political mind!
The fact is we won’t know if the spurs players do or don’t play to their potential because they’re getting battered either way😂
Simon wont dare speak about Keown this way if he was in the studio.... An Article he wrote 18months ago has nothing to do with Spurs lacking ambitions of their own.
Chelsea players and fans also dont want Arsenal to win the league but they still gave a proud account of themselves against City in both legs.
Everton dont want Liverpool to win the title but they played their best game for about 75mins against City and Arsenal this season.
Even United despite their poor state and not really being in a top4 race anymore gave Arsenal a strong game last night.
The conversation about downing tools was never had by the players or fans of any of these clubs,especially when you have the possibility of getting CL football . I think that is Simon's point.
Jordan calls out Keown all the time! Why "wouldn't he dare"? Psychical violence? Grow up
And that’s esactly the attitude as to why spurs never win anything your fighting for champs league and to get your manager better players which won’t won’t happen without champs league football and that’s also why spurs get the spursy tag line
Worrying about Arsenal is small club mentality.
We had our chance to stop arsenal from winning the league and we wasted it.
We can not let arsenal live rent free in our heads , we have to be bigger than that.
I would like my team to every game no matter what come on support your team ⚽️ always Evesham football club
Keown's right.
They laugh but Martin is being proven right with all the spurs fan media pundits and fans that call in hoping spurs lose...
If city go 2 or 3 goals up i genuinely do believe spurs fans will make a mockery of the game lol
arsenal fans are obsessed with tottenham flood all their channels everyday.
No football fan wants their arch rivals to win the League! Probably not at the expense of your own teams ambitions but if it came to it and a loss meant your rivals also lost - happy days.
And that’s why spurs don’t win anything
I have to disagree a bit with Simon and even more so with Graeme. I think the latter sometimes forgets that the players of his day were actual warriors who fought tooth and nail for every point. This generation of footballers are diva types who, whilst being competitive in their own right, are also dealing with the lifestyles of modern footballers. It simply doesn’t mean as much to players these days, especially considering the influx of players to whom local derbies and historic rivalries are meaningless. Which of the Spurs players actually HATES Arsenal? Skipp? That’s about it. Also, I do agree with Simon that the ownership and a number of the players will care more about winning than preventing Arsenal from winning the league, but to use that to undermine Martin’s point, someone who actually lived the NLD for decades, is odd. Far too many Spurs fans care more about Arsenal than their own club. Their measure of success is Arsenal’s failures because they have no success of their own to celebrate. Spurs could be in a UCL final but would be more worried about Arsenal finishing 4th. That’s their mentality. Small club and pitiful inferiority complex
Actually it is Arsenal fans that want Spurs help and are depending on a result. If they are worthy champions they don't need help from others.!
They have to beat Everton first and I would love spurs to lose and miss out on champions league again only for West ham to draw with City :)
SPURS ARE LIKES SMALL CLUB - WHAT A JOKE OF A CLUB
Not just embarrassing for Spurs but football fandom in general. Plastic soulless clubs, equal plastic soulless fans. TV has killed the game and deep down it knows it has.
In 2016 european championship
Italy let ireland beat them so irish fans would support the italians playing spain in next round
Ireland beat italy in last minute
Italians let ireland beat them, so irish fans would support italy against spain, as spain had the hoodoo over italy at the time
So such things like teams doing things in there interests, does happen, even today
After that game, italian players were celebrating with irish team, as like i said italians wanted the irish fans to back them playing spain, as spain had the hoodoo over italy at the time.
Just told you something none of you know, to prove souness wrong, when he says teams do not work out ways to get what they want even if it means losing themselves.
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If Tottenham beat City, Arsenal’s title belongs to them.
Sorry but Keon is talking rubbish. My Arsenal mates never stopped telling me that they didn’t want us to beat Liverpool in the champions league final. And if the roles were reversed ,they’ll be the same. So fans yes but players no, they have a job to do.
Arsenal bottled it against villa Martin. It has nothing to do spurs
In all honesty Arsenal should have beaten Villa. Then they wouldn't be in this predicament. It is all being well analysing Spurs' stance on this, from players to the fans. But Arsenal fans and players should not be relying on Spurs doing them any favours as much as Spurs fans should not be worried if they manage to beat City tomorrow. If City win, Arsenal have themselves to blame a few weeks ago against Emery and co.
Who cares what the fans think it's what the players do on the pitch doesn't anyone really believe the spurs manager will tell them to go out and lose the game what a load of bolloxs players from 7/8 years old have been brought up to win that's why they make it as a professional souness is totally right
I though spurs where going to be above the gunners not looking to good is it
How can Souness shut this statement down when it's all we've been hearing from Spurs fans the last week or so.
Spurs fans can talk about not wanting Arsenal to win the league & whatever but there's 90M on the table for whoever gets 4th spot. Take it or leave it?
Citeh will win easily. Mark my words. Spuds will not help Arsenal win a league title.
Jack Grealish will fire Villa home
Spurs fan here and I want Spurs to WIN EVERY GAME . PERIOD . . . . . . . I do think City will win but I want us to play to our best regardless . The only time Arsenal matter is when we play them .
How many premier league titles do Tottenham have?
ZERO
Spurs whole season is about how Arsenal are doing, As usual :)
I loved it when Chelsea beat Spuds to stop them and hand the league to Leicester
🔴⚪ AFC
I also loved Liverpool beating them in the UCL final 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Ange should move on from these loser fans. Well, they're not fans. They need counselling.
Keown spot on with this Tottenham are a tiny club with a small club mentality ran for profit with a fan base who would rather arsenal don’t win the PL than qualify for the CL. Tottenham fans let the PL down tonight celebrating their own teams loss disgraceful im not even an Arsenal fan btw
It's the most idiotic comments ever. 🙄
I don't give a stuff about Arsenal I want my team Spurs to win every game.
If Aston Villa win tonight Spurs will definitely lose tomorrow as there will be no CL next season.
Its Arsenal, not a super club, Martin Keown should not be a pundit, Man City will win coz they are the best team in England, Arsenal are probably the 2nd best at the moment !
Arsenal fans are delusional im not surprised that they are crying about an other team,
Keown shouldn’t confuse the fans with the club. There’s no doubt every Spurs fan would rather lose to City to ensure Arsenal don’t win the league. However Ange and the team will certainly want to give a good account of themselves and if there’s a chance of finishing 4th they would definitely take it because of the riches the CL brings and the opportunity to sign better players too. I’m sure Daniel Levy would agree too.
Keown's reverse psychology 😉.