Is No Europe a Disaster for Newcastle United? | TF Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2024
- Charlotte is joined by Si, Mick, and Jon to discuss the bitter disappointment of Man U coming good yesterday to deny Newcastle European football next season. We discuss:
How we feel about the season now we have failed to quaiify
Are NUFC still a 'smaller club' - or being run like one
Are there any positives?!?!
Where does this leave us financially?
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I don't understand the gloom. We finished 3 places below last season which was accepted to be over achievement. So maybe 6th was where we belonged. Factor in our injuries and this seaaon is just about par. No Europe is MILDLY disappointing, but not exactly devastating.
Exactly always too much negativity on this podcast and a lack of perspective
preaching gloom drives more views.. that’s just the way it is..
"Yasir Al-Rumayyan said we wanted to be number one... well do something about it" - like what? He can't put money into the club, he can't magic up a sponsor that's above the value of what the PL deem fit. Amanda Stavley said we would win the PL within 10 years and you're expecting miracles after 2.5 seasons.
The biggest problem on display here are the entirely unrealistic expectations, and their massive overestimation of where Newcastle actually are compared to the 'big 6', and big European clubs.
I found that comment by Mick pointless and without any context, To be one number 1 now you need revenue, revenue, revenue. You think the club are not trying? What was the trip to Australia about?
@goatfather5711 Yes. It was ludicrous. They actually have been increasing our revenue quite significantly. They've also massively improved our situation in terms of sponsorship deals and partnerships. There is also clear evidence of them trying to improve fan engagement overseas.
Absolutely spot on mate.What the hell do people expect
5 mins in and talking about XG v Man Utd get over it …. AG actual goals is what counts
Whether we realise it or not, we are as a fanbase starting to come across as being a little ‘entitled’.
Think we need a big dose and sense of reality regarding where we are and where we’re going with EH at the helm ⚫️⚪️
Yes getting that a lot on this one! Definitely don’t mean to come across that way - more trying to open up the conversation and remind ourselves nobody is immune to criticism. Even us 😅
This is a SMALL CLUB mentality, and it needs to go. Ever wonder why fans of the successful clubs are so annoying? It's because they EXPECT to win. If you want Toon to be up there then the fanbase needs to get a little arrogant and entitled.
Oh please, there is nothing wrong with having expectations.
I'm sure you were over the moon when we lost to Luton, Bournemouth, Forest and Everton.
I get the disappointment, but I'm seeing too many fans seem to be becoming like fans of other 'big' clubs who think their team has a right to win. OK, some results were disappointing, but I remember when Man Utd won their first title after decades they only beat Sheffield United at home with two injury time goals from, of all people, Steve Bruce. Opposition teams are also trying to win: and sometimes they succeed.
As for signings, the club is obviously seeking to address the top-heavy nature of the squad inherited from Ashley, infusing it with young players who take time to properly mature. Given PSR rules, you're either buying Livramentos and Halls or proven top level journeymen like Chris Wood. I know which I would prefer now that Premier League safety is no longer an issue.
League table does not lie, we finished where we deserved, not a bad season but with a fit Nick Pope we may have finished better. Time to rebuild properly and clear out the old guard.
We didn't miss out on Europe because of the last week, it needed one result anywhere throughout the season whether it was Liverpool at home or Forest or Man U, the season is judged on 38 games not just 3.
Don't think that whether we are in europa conference or not will influence any potential signings it doesn't have kudos like the cl.
Tbh, we are where we should be at this time in the project, we are the 7th riches PL team on the Deloitte rich list & we finished 7th. We are listed at ~£245Mil & the nearest PL team Arsenal are listed at~£453Mil so we need to continue to up our commercial revenue to be able to compete
And our wage bill is behind even Villa
Si is the positive voice of reason here. I hate this idea that some toon fans are starting to think we are entitled to european football. We have done great after over a decade of under investment. Finished 7th which is about our level in terms of spend. Buy we have built on wobbly foundations thanks to previous regine
Dougie Freedman regretted previously leaving Palace when he was their manager so didn't want to repeat history, not our fault we didn't get him in
Respect him way more than Cashworth for staying with his current project and local club
What did people expect eddie to do? Obviously most of our youth team isn't good enough to step in for our main squad! I honestly believe if we didn't suffer so many injuries we would've finished top 4. We finished 7th with some players who shouldn't even be in our team! Eddie has done amazing with what he has had to work with.
Mick on 🔥 with his season summary! 👏 A lesser finish than the season before can't be deemed a success. Bi summer ahead, players needed & top 4 has to be the target next season.
Mick says what most of us are probably thinking but don't want to say out loud. The next year is going to tell us everything about PIF and their intentions for our football club.
I keep thinking I might wake up and find out we've actually been relegated somehow, that's just how bad the season's been.
As you have said, you should never put yourself into a situation where you have to be relying on other teams to do the job that you should have done yourself.
Mistakes have been made and hopefully lessons will be learned, whether that is in the transfer market, playing injured players, playing players out of position etc.
Hopefully we can stave off those clubs interested in Isak and Bruno while off loading those players we had to keep because of European football rules.
On the bright side, we'll have the True Faith Podcast to look forward to next season =)
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In fact when West Ham won the Conference League, the revenue they gained was equivalent of bring in the group stage of the Champions league.
What’s with the doom and gloom, let’s not forget there are some very good teams in the PL and some are used to winning and competing, to finish top 6 is going to mean 2 very big clubs miss out, to finish top 4 a very good squad is needed…. Newcastle needs more time, just look at the players that will leave this season, 6/7 players that be lucky to get a game elsewhere….. I do agree Newcastle needs to find a big game mentality
Question: If we do an "Arsenal", by taking the title race to the last week, but don't make any cup finals.....Is that okay?
The head loss is ridiculous. We move on. Next season we can concentrate on the league & domestic cups. Gives us time to sort out the squad, strengthen & recover. Hopefully less injuries with less games. Can’t wait HOWAY THE LADS! 🖤🤍
I wouldn’t call it a disaster but it’s certainly a setback to the project. We still finished seventh and with some smart moves in the window we should be in good position to compete for a cup and top four finish next season
Also I must I’m pretty disappointed with this podcast in how downbeat you are, like at 9:57. Who in their right mind is talking about sacking Howe atm? And before that when the bloke whines about finishing seventh…Sounds like y’all need to get off Twitter 😒
@@Jettplayzgamesoh none of us are in the sack Howe camp - but it’s interesting that the teams around us have booted their managers that’s all
Don't worry about the critics in the comments, clubs needs all perspectives and viewpoints not just the ones that excuse everything away and think any result is good since Ashley is gone.
Poor December cost us, including big individual errors that knocked us out of the league cup. Felt like we managed to turn the season around at the end but struggled to score against the worst Man United team in PL history. Bar a few good moments, I'm just glad it's over and we can go again.
December was a nightmare. Out of Europe, out of the league cup, beaten by Forest, Luton, Everton and Spurs. Any 2 wins from those 6 losses could've changed our entire season. Hey ho, it's done now and there's nothing we can do about it.
It's definitely a crossroads season next season. We need a strong start or Eddie's under pressure
Last summers window was excellent! Livramento hall and toneli will turn out to be a great window. Not sure where that comment came from
I think that this comment is more about the need for immediate strengthening rather than long term investment players - tho I agree we have much to be excited about there
The team has a problem witu choking at critical times.
That is squarely with the coaching staff and recruitment.
I dont think we'll win anything with Howe at the helm. That isn't because he isn't a good manager, but because he isn't a great one.
must be fans for past two years!
You can't say "we've GOT to win a cup". The draw is everything and if we get one of the top 4 it'll be difficult. Top 4-5 and good cup runs knocked out by top 4 is still upwards trajectory. Consistently in Europe and, in a few years, winning stuff is a reasonable and sustainable upwards curve.
I want us to win a cup!! Getting ruthless with the language!
@@charlotterobson7015 Yup, me too. And next year would be wonderful (I'm 63 and we've never won a domestic competition in my lifetime😳 ....and only 1 in total!). Keep up the good work, all of you👏
If Newcastle didn't massively over achieve last season non of this doomerism would be on the table. Never such an entitled mentality from a fanship so quickly
You’re right! Stay humble! Lots of things could have gone better but you shouldn’t be bitter. There’s several times that newcastle got lucky as well. But also look at the goal difference! Enjoy the wins where they scored, three and four goals, some great results!
It's called ambition. NEVER listen to rival fans like this ☝️ who try to keep you in your place.
True, though I’ve seen some fans compare these complaints to those made back in the 90s when we were close to winning trophies
@@F--Bit’s called perspective. Show me a club who’s improved faster than us under new ffp.
We were massively behind Villa, Brighton, wolves and West Ham when the takeover happened. Now we’re on the edge of the big 6.
I don't think you can call it entitlement for fans to expect European football after 400m has been spent over the last two years or so
About 12 mins in.. okay you could ‘go on’ about the commercial opportunities that the club could exploit but it’s poor that u don’t name one.. just articulate an example and the point becomes much stronger to a fan like myself who is hopeful for the future but is curious to see where the club should be evolving faster 🧐
They did. They mentioned sponsoring the training kits. Since the end of Fun88 our training kits haven't had any sponsorship. That's an open goal and they inexplicably missed.
@@GoroOno fair enough
@@GoroOno Okay but that implies it's worth a lot, is it? it can't be that hard to get a company on there, so I doubt it's worth as much as you're trying to suggest.
@@jdevlin1910 Tezos pay Man Utd $27 million per season to sponsor their training kit.
Can we have Mick Martin on every week, please. And in relation to some of the comments posted below, being impatient for success is not the same as being 'entitled'. If you were old enough to remember the trauma of '74 (and every other failure since) you'd understand that. After 50+ years, it's reasonable to expect more than the Japan Cup.
Charlotte-- "validation" might be the word...
Ĺast summer's transfer window may well be brilliant for 24/25
Re commercial income, why have we not yet done a deal for naming rights of SJP. That should easily substitute the income potentially earned from missing out on the Conference League. In the past I would have been against selling the naming rights, but nowadays with FFP fans, unless they have not bothered to read up on FFP, should strongly support the additional income stream.
Where has the dark arts, aggression and shi.housery went in our team? I want to see a return of these traits next year, with Southampton getting promoted a potential sale of Ryan Fraser could give us some positive news from a psr perspective.
Hold that !!!
We could and would have probably got top 4 again with a better sqaud with less injuries having sandro etc etc. Whats worrying is we havnt cashed in whilst other better off clubs flounder, by all accounts man utd are a total mess and they have still won more trophies in the last 2 years when we have been "class". We simply need more winners and better players, no more miggies, dummets ritchies etc etc. No europe next season might be a god send while we enact and rebuild on what we learned in last 2 yrs. Howe NEEDS top 4 or a trophy though or he will 100% be compared to a say Hughes at city at that point on their journey come end of next season...
"La la la la la la la la heyyy Zico Martin"
Did i miss newcastle beating Liverfool? this season as I recall we got spanked home and away
Yeah I thought that was an odd comment. We didn't even get a win over Luton!
The tone of some of the comments/podcast is reminiscent of the Sir Bobby Robson days when we finished 5th. We have the 9th highest wage bill, every team including Villa who finished above us have spent a lot more than us.
Instead of praising a job well done we are hyping focusing on the smaller number of results that didn't go our way. There is absolutely nothing about this club that is top 4 quality it will take years of building to get there. Last season has really brought the worst out of some of our fans who are now showing delusional expectations as to where we are as a club
All the different perspectives are really interesting. Overall I think we have low standards perpetuated by Management and the fans. I think think this season was a disaster, a total failure.
True negativity podcast 😅 We’re not building revenue fast enough, we’ve got a small club mentality.
15 years of not building the clubs infrastructure has led us being behind the big 6, things take time. Revenue is massively up, playing squad massively improved, all indicators show we’re getting better poor season and we still finished 7th.
We have rich owners can't we just make the intertoto cup again and get European football
Slippery Darren is the problem...
Still have a chance due to chelsea FFP situation with uefa.....
I simply love this
We aren’t ready to become a big club. There is not a winning culture running through the club, never has been. You need a big personality to change this. The fanbase makes us somewhat big in England. Newcastle is far too loyal and doesn’t have the ruthlessness to be winners. One more season of Howe and that’s enough. If we win a trophy or make top 4 then he stays.
Like this channel but far too much negativity each show
We promise to turn it around and be excited for next season 😅
Reviewing the Man U game, saying we should have had a pen, our xg was better and they had players back smacks of cognitive bias. The fact is, the manager has one dimension, as soon as good teams work it out, they’re fucked. He relays on the crowd the majority of home games. Howe is a one trick pony with a big budget.
There are likely multiple reasons why freedman has declined the apparent offer to work for #NUFC andmayhavenothing to do with football.
#HTL
I assume it’s cash
They, let themselves and us down.
7th in the league is not letting the club down. Fans like u are letting the club down unfortunately. Look at who’s around Newcastle in the prem table this season and factor in the respective spending capacities, wage bills and overall size of the club. It’s comparing apples and oranges atm bud.. not to say things haven’t been disappointing this season but context makes me believe next season will be better
We failed to get into the Europa League twice in one season, It's really not acceptable. Not enough positive signings and too many negative contract extensions. We are just a loser organisation, If anyone of the following players starts on opening day nest season then we may as well just forget it. Longstaff, Miggy, Murphy, Anderson, Wilson, Krafth, Dubravka.
Mick is talking rubbish the board and owners are doing as much as they can but they are constrained FACT, it’s the manager and the players.
The players haven’t got the bottle or stomach for a fight, when it comes to the crunch the playing side of the operation are BOTTLERS and soft as sh1t the need to man up.
Instead of criticising the owners and board tell me what they are supposed to do!!!!
If you asked any Newcastle fan under Ashley that within two full seasons of a new ownership they'd be fighting for ANY European football they'd have bitten your hand off for it. To call this manager or squad soft or bottlers is an absolute disgrace
@@bananafan5240 that was then this is now, got to move with the times, such a small club mentality, how long you going to dine out on the 50’s FA Cups and the 1969 Fairs Cup, big teams look forwards not backwards
Cheer up Charlotte take some positives from Si
Things I never thought would be said!!!
Buck stops with the manager
We can focus on winning something domestically instead, not a bad thing.
we coudnt sign a player in the jan window for ffp you clampet!!
The cups have already been the focus!!! Unless you forgot the Carabao cup final and two quarter finals this season, compared to getting knocked out in the 3rd round year upon year under MA!! What sort memories you have. Probally the type of supporter who called for Sir Bobby Robson to be sacked!!! no transfers in January!!! Try for one minute to work out why that was or are you too dumb to realise???? I will give you a clue FFP!! Would you rather over spend and be docked points?? How was last summers transfer window a failure? no one could foresee the tonali betting issues and yet could still be a success over the length of his contract and become a toon legend and Hall is starting to shine and will become the cornerstone of the defence along with tino for the next ten years!! this must be the podcast of doom . The board have delivered on every single promise to date, and right now are working on other sponsorship deals, yet some are never satisfied and come across as fans who only been supporting the club for two years!!
MUFC could be thrown out of Europe because Ineos own OGC Nice
Your podcast needs to change tac. Way way too much lack of perspective. Too often too much gloom. Too often reactive too quickly to things when we lose a game etc
Can someone actually do so research into PSG. Your comments just sound stupid, and ill informed.
Ashworth left because Brialsford is his best mate. Man U have the same issues with their bloated wage bill.
None of you have a clue about Dougie Freedman. He is a Palace club legend. Like Solano or Shearer. Would either of those two swap Tyneside for South West London fofr a few more quid? No of course not.
Do better, this podcast is disappointing and you are all just whining babies.
We finsihed 10 points off 4th. 3 wins and a draw. The players let themslves down in so many matches this season.
We are where we are becuase its where we deserve to be.
With regard to the commercials at the club. How many 10+ million dollar multi year deals have you guys worked on? Zero. So you zero point of reference on how a deal like that gets done.
We are in an excellent position from where we were. This summer and, next season is the period in which judgement can begin to be justifed.
Not one team in the modern era has gone from relegation fodder to champions league then finished just 10 points behind 4th with 11+ first team players missing for moat of the season.
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I don’t want to have to research PSG. We aren’t playing them this season
Nearly half a billion gone, no European competition of any kind at all, the vultures circling for our better players, no ruthlessness from the club and fans that excuse everything away. Club rivals that have achieved more than Newcastle have had bad seasons in their fans and boards eyes and changes have been made, meanwhile our fans think eddie is Alex Ferguson, we are trapped in a small club mentality and it could be a long time before the fans free themselves from the eternal gratitude they feel is warrented just for employees of the club that do their job that they are employed to do.
Well aren't you a sour misery.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Its been 3.5yrs. We're in the most competitive league in world football. Hamstrung by what came before us in terms of investment throughout the football club. We started from a long way back and have overachieved mostly. Given the horrendous injuries we've sustained and the no show of Tonali we have done fantastically well to stay sniffing around the top half of the league. It's all experience and I believe we will kick on again.
Cheer up its a helluva ride HWTL
Think it’s actually 2years 7 months. First 7 months was avoiding relegation. Year 1 finished 4th qualified first champions league year 2 finished 7th against backdrop of massive injury problems & being cheated in Paris. Year 3 ie next season massive - think target must be to finish in top 4 & maybe win a cup? Think we can achieve it but important we keep Bruno & Isak.
The fact that we can talk about aiming for top 6 or maybe 4 next season with confidence just proves you're wrong. With everything against us like it has been, we can't ask for much more. Next season with no distractions is going to help us massively if we can keep the players we've got. Eddie Howe wasn't brought in to win us the league, he was obviously going to stabilise and then start driving up the league and that's what he's doing. Let's just hope they can pull something off next season because otherwise the vultures will truly be circling 🙄
you want mike ashey back??
Yes! That’s exactly what we all said and think. Good job!
The honeymoon period from the takeover is well and truly over. I think that there have been some really poor decisions made by the Club. In terms of the team development, I have been and remained positive, this positivity is now waning. The Champions League came too soon and this has taken the focus off of team building. I absolutely love Eddie Howe and what he has done. It really feels like next season could be his last, regardless of all of our injury problems. I hope that I’m wrong but my gut feeling is that the Club will possibly look to recruit a new manager next season if we don’t come out of the blocks. This summer transfer window is pivotal. We need to stop acting like a team that’s just been promoted. We are currently in a period of stagnation. #howaythemags 🖤🤍
Story of our season; just not getting the results we needed when it mattered, for whatever reason. Even grinding our way to a European place via league position wasn't enough to get into Europe. Fighting the world is exhausting. Based on UEFA's own rules, Man Utd should be booted out of the Europa league because INEOS also own Nice who have already qualified for the same competition and finished their season in a higher league position, but they won't. Chelsea should be booted out of Europe altogether because they basically sold their own training ground to themselves for a grossly inflated fee to dodge FFP/PSR, but they won't. Apart from those naughty villa boys being a fly in the ointment, normal service has almost resumed, with the "big six" back at the top of the tree and taking all of the domestic trophies (and all of the dolla) between them, and the PL suits will be delighted. The silver lining in the cloud of having no football friends whatsoever, is that when we eventually have our snouts in the trough on a regular basis at the expense of one of the cartel, it will taste so much sweeter.