I have a set of M2s I love them, and yes I am aware of the strong loft, I know if the person I am playing with grabs an 8 I grab a 9. It's all personal preference, I don't see the point in arguing. After hours of testing clubs these are the ones that felt best to me. It's all preference.
You know I never got these for the distance at all. In fact I never wanted to lose them coming from a Titleist fan here. But I compared side spin and dispersion vs ping, Callaway, etc. What I did find was the overall shot shape was very repeatable with the M2 irons. I ended up checking the MPF numbers on these irons after a few monitor sessions and sure enough Maltby ranks them very forgiving with an MOI over 12 and a large 'C' value, far away from the hosel. I was quite surprised at this since the MPF normally suffers on strong lofted clubs. As a result I was seeing very good forgiveness on slightly errant shots. My guess? The lofts are indeed strong, but the shorter shafts actually help us make better contact combined with less twisting at impact on miss hits. Personally I hit the 6 iron too far but I couldn't get past the forgiveness. As a thought, I would love it if you could get past the distance factor and look at long shot dispersions on slight miss hits. Thanks.
Holy crap. My irons are Mizuno MPs and the M2 5 iron is the same loft as my 3 iron! Just a gimmick to give the false impression of more distance. Not to mention the gapping issues with wedges.
Danny-the wedges are 6 degrees apart and a full club strong. I would like to see a review of the wedges and the yardage gaps between them. Actually I wouldn't cause I would never play these anyway.
+Danny O'neal Remember that the lofts are not what make distances. Spin rates and length differences make up a vast majority of the gaps. Only high swing speed players will gain any distance from strong lofts, and that is only 1 yard per degree on average. To clarify, some golfers lose distance from stronger lofts (not getting it up in the air), and some golfers will hit it the same distance regardless of loft. With all that said, what does make these irons go far and high is the weighting. Low CG = high launch. They make the lofts stronger to offset how low the weighting is.
Got lucky picking up a like new set of these irons 4-SW with the graphite shafts for $40 at a yard sale. They immediately went into my bag. They are fantastic. I've been letting my wife try these and her overall improvement has been awesome. They are very forgiving for her, straight shots with distance.
I personally think that this is the best video you've done. Its honest and detailed. These are about distance but aren't even as long as the Callaway xr. Anyway when will people start to understand distance alone doesn't lower scores.
I've been playing with these for a couple years. I really like them. And yes, the 8 iron is like a 7 iron. I wish I could hit the 6 iron 200 yards. I can barely hit my driver that far.
I’m a 20 handicap that’s been playing for 10 months and I just picked up a set of these. One range session and they feel great. We’ll see if that sticks on course…
Isnt the question whether the m2 6 iron is easier to hit then your traditional 6 iron? A much lower lofted 6 iron that is easier to hit and longer... Imagine having a driver that is 5.5 degrees and that is easier and longer than as a 10.5 degree driver...
+Johannes Riedl These irons are meant for "average" golfers. Majority of golfers are... average (18 handicap, 150 yd carry with 5 iron, 200/220 carry with driver). If you have a 25 degree 7 iron that you can hit as easy and longer than a 31/34 degree 7 iron, then it's a win win for everyone. Its golf snobs (me included) who sometimes make such a big deal about the specs. As far as peak height goes, its not a big deal since your average golfer absolutely relies on roll for distance. Also, as far as having to carry an extra wedge?... for an "average" golfer, they need as much difference in loft between clubs in order to get the proper gapping (think about why many high handicappers may hit their 7 iron longer than their 6 iron).
+Johannes Riedl The question is "IF" it's easier to hit... then the m2 makes sense for many golfers. Im not saying it is... I just don't like people bombing game improvement clubs just because of the specs. I currently game the Apex CF16 but have in the past gamed many TM game improvement irons (rsi 1&2, burner 2.0, r11, r9, rac os). I wonder why Rick and Pete have never reviewed the Callaway Apex line of clubs. Its really popular... RICK? Apex review?
+Johannes Riedl the length of the shaft is why you could hit a 7 iron better then a 6 iron. If I could take a half inch off my 6 iron and get the same distance I that would have if I hadn't removed the inch, id be extremely more comfortable. Now I get a 7 iron that hits like a 6 iron but has the length of my 7 iron. ( I'm a 15 handicap)
+Jay An I'm a low HC and I switched to M2 irons w KBS tour shafts. Your statements are invalid. Yes high handicap Average joes would benefit. But so would others.
Johannes Riedl needing another wedge depends on your bag set up. I have 5 wedges. Was never an issue for me. It doesn't take much to figure it out after you play 1-2 rounds. In my case 125 out became the AW instead of the PW. But it did not affect any other club. You should be playing the game leaving you with the distance you want. Inside 100 it's the same wedges that have been in my bag all along. I don't understand this gapping debate. You don't play the game trying to hit every shot as far as you can. So if you feel gapping is a true concern play to your comfortable approach distance (should be anyway). And use the wedges you use today. Gapping is only an issue if all you use is the included AW and PW. I would hope if you are spending a this kind of money you own a gapped wedge collection in addition to your iron set.
I love my new M2 irons. I've only played 6 rounds this season so far, but I've hit hundreds of balls on the range, getting used to the clubs. Sure, there is a big argument going on about strong loft, club numbering etc, but the bottom line is that I'm very happy with them and that's all that really matters. I don't care what number club I use to get a certain distance as long as I can get a positive result which these irons provide.
I demoed the clubs and felt they were easier to hit in general. Regardless of the loft angle, I think the "technology" helps for the easiness. How about customizing the clubs with 2 degree weaker loft?
Holy cow. 240 yards with a 4 iron that’s about what my driver is. I’m picking head up tomorrow and I’m excited that my 7 is now my 6 etc etc. I’m not a pro golfer so the forgiveness and the longer distance makes me feel good. 😎
As a lower ball hitter and one who has hit this iron extensively I was carrying the 7 iron from 150 to 180 these might be alright for the high handicapper, but I would struggle massively with distance control. I will stick to the Mizuno MP-54 with RIP Tour 115's which gives me much more consistent distances which are key to better scoring. I am not afraid to be shorter, my buddies outdrive me by 50 yards already I will take 260 and near the fairway all day every day.
So I hit my 52 degree wedge 100 yards and my current PW 125. I buy these and I now have a PW that goes, say 140. I now have a 40 yard gap in my set. I have to leave my current PW in the bag!!
I have hit the 8 iron with 175 carry on a GC Quad. But my typical carry is 160 to 165 with a nice high launch. The 4 iron I have carried 225 on the GC Quad. I love these clubs. It eliminates the need for a 3 iron LOL.
Rick, let me help you get your head around it. A lot of club golfers like to say "what did you hit there?" - "oh, you hit a 6 iron? I hit a 7 iron". That makes them feel better about themselves and TM are catering for that crowd. Most of the manufacturers are doing this now, but this is certainly the most aggressive one yet.
I have watched your videos quite often when lookin for new irons, and every time I watch I feel like I have some really strong iron distance. My PW is an average of 175-180 yds..
had to get a 6iron to help me on long par 3's I hit it about 175 t0 180 and it works fantastic. Way more accurate than a hybrid and plays like an iron. I would recommend this and I'm actually looking for a 5 iron as I write this
I won one of their M2 6 irons. Took it to the range today and compared it to my Taylormade R11s. Was longer than my 6 iron but shorter than my 5 iron. Starts out with a lower trajectory but reaches about the same top height. Much louder. Not worth spending $500 more. Will wait to the end of the year and pick up a set of PSI when the price drops.Anyone want to buy a M2 6 iron ?
I see your point on the stronger lofts on the clubs but, is the shaft the standard length as with the traditional club? If it is, I can see how one would feel more comfortable hitting the club.
By giving a club a stronger loft to make it go further, will it make it easier to hit the disstance. I have a 8 Iron, hitting it max 140-145 max, but would like to hit it 140-155. Will just adjusting the loft a bit more on my Irons make it easier to hit the distances. Does that work for all Irons, as I struggle to get good disstances out my 5 and 4, but get great distance out my 6.
I can't believe you're that surprised at TM jacking lofts, they invented the practice when they released the original Burner irons. In a launch monitor era these clubs will produce just enough extra yards to make people switch.
Nice review Rick. Absolute cast iron proof that iron numbers no longer matter but the degree of loft does! Maybe the FW irons have broken the mould by just putting degree numbers on as essentially, the iron number means nothing, but the distance you can hit that iron with ease because of the tech involved is surely the key.
Helpful clubs for high handicappers. I do love the fact that there no more slots on the clubface, really puts me off. In the end I don't believe in shifting the club numbers... If it takes a 6 i'll take my 30degree 6... even if my mates take a 7 iron. On the course I do sometimes take a longer club to be able to swing more calmly, and hit more greens. That gives me confidence...
shorter shaft. Same flight as a blade. With forgiveness. And the shorter shaft makes it more consistent. Especially in the long irons. So it says 4, which got up very high, but it is actually a 3... with a 1/2 shorter shaft. You get the distance and trajectory of a 3 with a club that is the length of a 4. Personally I think they would go just as far with more loft. They also seem like they would be good into the wind. The 6 flew lie a 5. The 4 flew like a 4. The 4 went as far as a 3 with a 4 iron trajectory.
The other day I hit an apex pro 6 iron about 220 through carry and I have about the same club head speed as Rick, if not a bit higher. I'd like to see him do a review with all of the ridiculous distance game improvement irons. The technology these days is getting stupid long.
I somewhat feel if you got this set looking back at the lofts that you would have to add another wedge to your set cause the sand wedge and the lob wedge are traditional lofts but the pitching wedge is strong and the approach wedge is strong. Like you would probably be better off having say 4 to pw in M2, your normal wedge set but then by another pw to fill that gap. What do other people think.
hey rick. what is the difference between the shaft lengths between the standard m2 and the standard ben Hogan? The shorter shaft are going to make them easier for people to hit more consistently?
I was also skeptical until I hit them. 7 iron M2 to 7 iron in my old pings, I get a more boring ball flight (expected with the lower lofts) but higher peak height too with tons of added distance. Quite surprised, but I'll take it.
Though I must say two things: 1) I have always struggled with distance in my irons 2) I launch *wayyyyyy* too high (26 degrees ish), which kills my distance, but I hold greens. These facts make these irons uniquely suited for my game. I doubt they would benefit many golfers, especially if they struggle getting the ball airborne.
I know that this is a late comment but I think the reason that they have to lover lofts is becasue you can hit it a little further while still getting a clean strike.
Rick you should have compared that 6 iron to your 6 iron. They are saying you don't sacrifice peak height with the strong lofted 6 iron compared to a traditional 6 iron. You compared it to a similar lofted iron so the peak height should have been the same. Good vid keep em coming
Rick, I know you are saying they report you aren't sacrificing height. You begin to talk about looking at peak height of the two irons. I was always told that all of our iron shots should be hitting roughly the same peak height. It is just the launch angle/flight to get to that height. If we watch pros, they hit irons about the same height, but again, the launch angle/flight is different. What were the launch angle differences? Did the M2 6 launch at a higher angle than your 5? if so, then it does perform how they say (BTW I am not a huge TMAG fan, I think most of the OEMs have the gimmicks with lofts and saying that the flight is this and that yada yada.)
And I thought my Adams XTD had a strong loft. My 4 irons is 22 degrees, 7 irons 31 degrees and 8 iron 35 degrees. I guess the M2 are going to be for someone looking for max distance. I do like the looks of them. Seems like TM releases clubs faster than Apple or MS release pc's.
Great video as always, great also to here your honest appraisal of the lofting issues with these types of irons. I tested (and nearly bought) some Callaway CF 16's a few weeks back, I was carrying their 7 iron 170 yards!!... of a 83mph swing speed! Now I normally hit my CB 7 iron 156yards... so, great surely... an extra 14yards of carry! Except NO! Because I would have had to have added at least 2 extra wedges, which would mean I would only be able to carry up to a 5 iron, before having too many clubs. So you either do this and have a lot of wedges in your set or you have a massive yardage gap! No thanks, think I'll stick with truer lofted clubs in future. Personally I feel lofts should be standardised (to within a degree or two) but that's just me!
I agree Rick, BUT I will say the beginning of the flight at initial launch has the M2 higher than you BH iron with more loft. So M2 does appear to give a Higher Launch Initially, but less spin so the curve is flatter and the ball doesn't continue to rise like the traditional blades giving you about the same Peak Height. I'm not a fan boy and don't own Taylormade irons, just my thought from the flights. What do yo think?? Thanks for the review!!!
it would be nice if you could do a comparison to the callaway XR irons. you were very vocal on those saying"what a ball flight!" over and over and this review you said "why isnt it just a 5 iron?" over and over yet they share the same club length and 1 degree difference. as someone who is looking for some distance, I would like to see who really does have the better ball flight! anyways, thanks for the reviews, they are very informative and look forward to them!
Hi Rick. I was just wondering what the spin numbers were like on these irons? You mentioned strong loft, so I was wondering if they had the same "sticky" spin as other irons?
Taylormade sent me a M2 six iron today to demo and comment on. This club is longer than my 5 iron (Mizuno JPX800). When I looked at the hosel I thought it was a removable head because of the ridges on it, it's not. What happens when one gets down to the 4? A P.W. will flyfurther than my 9 iron so what I see is I would have to now change all the distances that I remember with my own clubs, makes no sense to me. This is exactly how they tout "longer, more distance etc." it's the same with their woods especially the driver. To me this is counter-productive. A six in this iron is actually a 5+iron. Also I had won a set of Wilson D100's in a tourney and noticed something different about them, they are pretty much the same as the M2 except they fly so high it's impossible to estimate the distance, carry and total of any club. The P.W in the D100s flies as far as my JPX 8 iron nearly. My question is how does Taylormade presume to fit anyone to these clubs? I am a 4 handicap but would not play with either of these clubs, it's deceptive.
I think this is one of your best videos. Very well reviewed. That said, these clubs are Ridiculous. I play Taylormade R11 irons, and they play that loft jacking crap on those too. I'm looking at AP2's or maybe Mizuno's next.
Outrageous lofts! Can't really see the point in changing the numbering to reflect a different club when the loft obviously says its something else. But of course they'll play on the psychology factor.
If you have a lower ball flight you will struggle with the irons. I am a 10 and when I useds the Ms I did get more distance from 7-8-9-p but the ball flight was much lower than my Pings. So flying a 7 in from 160 it was tough to hold the green, same with other short irons. Distance? Yes about 10 yards longer per iron, but it was not worth my lack of control of yardage. But like Rick stated the 7 is 28.5 loft. That is a normal 5 or 6 iron.
Reading some comments that puzzle me.... Why would you need an extra wedge? The loft of the M2 AW and PW are weaker than the Titleist AP1 wedges. There's no issue at the weak end of the bag. What am I missing? My own issue is that 9 thru 5 covers the same ground as 9 thru 4 in my old set. Distance control/gapping in the mid to longer irons is the issue. On the other hand I carry one less iron, which I use for another wood. What do you want in your bag for your game and the courses you play? A little more fire power or a little more precision...? Pick your poison, but the clubs are as advertised. In a world of exaggerated claims for "me too" products, I think it's good to have an honest choice. If you don't like the clubs then don't play them.
Personally, as a 12year old golfer, I prefer stronger lofted irons to get me the distance, however, i think that at this point where there is less loft on the 8 iron, than the loft of a bladed/forged 7 iron is ridiculous.
Brilliant marketing to hook new golfers, and trend-dependent golfers. So, Joe Blow gets a new set of M2's- PW to 4, gets a hybrid, 5 and 3 wood, and driver. Joe Blow now realizes his clubs are too long and needs 2 extra wedges than he would have otherwise to make up the gap on the short side of the bag. Now he has more wedges and has to sacrifice some of the longer clubs to keep his bag in line... and Taylormade is laughing all the way to the bank while your barely used wood/hybrids are on sale on Ebay. I'm starting to hate this trend. It's almost insulting to golfers.
+40Rouge exactly! your 7 iron may go further but it's now harder to hit than your old 7 iron because it's really a 6 or 5 iron. they're supposed to be game improvement sets but how many lower handicapped players want to or can hit an 19 degree 4 iron? it's time more companies just put the loft on the iron (like rick's hogans do). it'd make it easier for my brain to figure out what club is what. they've got the consumers all confused into buying new shit and it's not good.
+40Rouge The R&A and USGA need to step in and stop golf manufacturers jacking lofts and calling them what they like. There should be a rule for numbered golf clubs being within a certain dynamic loft and length of shaft. It is madness and false marketing. TaylorMade should be ashamed of themselves
+James Vargeson I don't think you guys fully understand why lofts have become stronger. Lofts are becoming stronger, because the modern day golf clubs like the M2 would hit the ball too high if the 7 iron had 34-36 degrees of loft, hence why blades always have more loft because if they had the same loft as M2 you would hit the ball too low. Yes they have become stronger to try and get average golfer to hit the ball further as well. BUT, the average golfer needs help to hit the ball further. Everyday, when we do club fittings at our shop, the majority of golfer say they hit their own 7 iron 150 yards, they rarely do. Some are lucky to hit it 110 - 120. So with a little tuition and proper custom fit we can normally achieve anywhere from a 10-35 yard improvement for a player with more consistency. Most of our customers who upgrade equipment, actually find it easier to hit the new 7 irons with stronger lofts, because of the new technology like speed pockets that offer forgiveness on mis-hits. Obviously the people who see the most improvement are people who have never been fitted before or have very old golf equipment. Just my experience and thoughts. Yes a golfer may need additional wedges at the bottom end of their bag, but most sets start at a 5 iron now instead of 3 like they used because of distance gains and the popularity and easier to use hybrids. So customers can still get the same amount of clubs as they would have in the past just in a different configuration. You used to buy 3-SW now people get 5-SW with a Gap wedge and a hybrid!
+Rick Shiels Golf, which type of player do you think they'd benefit? Amateur and mid to high handicapper, or single figure player only?? great review as always
I've just bought the RSI 1's based on ricks review of them in which he was so positive. He didn't seems that convinced by these clubs. I think any keen golfer looking for the latest taylormade clubs would look no further than the PSI's?
Rick, with such strong lofts doesn't it become a problem at the and of the bag when your gap between your PW en lets say 52 degree gap wege is so big that you have to put another club in to fill in the gap?
That's why you wouldn't get a 52* wedge if you got this set. If I remember correctly, in the video it said the set came with a 49* gap wedge. So you could get a 53 or 54* loft wedge to fill that gap and then get a 58*. But really it's all about finding out how far you hit each club. I got a hybrid that's 19* and a chunky iron that's 20* that I use as a driving iron and the yardage gap is about 12-15 yards. So testing is the most important aspect of this
Hey Rick, Thanks for your training and tips. I love them!! I have one problem with your judgement with different clubs you are comparing. You have me totally confused with the lofts with the Callaway M2 and your own irons. You are a pro/ trainer and what i would like to hear is more about the benefit of the club you are testing than the difference with your clubs. I as a middle handicap (11).I m looking to purchase new irons (fitted) but you have confused me about loft. Please keep it simple for us mortals and just tell us what you think and feel with the irons you are testing not the difference between them and yours . Thank again, Kevin
My guess is that these clubs are designed for the beginning player. the strong lofts will help the new players get the ball up in the air. The lofts will also help them achieve distance. That's just my guess though.
Lol stronger lofts actually make it harder to get the ball in the air. It's the cg placement that helps achieve the height. But yeah clearly they're aimed toward the beginner, there are very few good golfers that prefer these kinds clubs and most of them are older and struggling for distance
You never mentioned, but what's the offset like on these, that is what usually kills these clubs for me, way too much offset and a real struggle to keep it from going left
I would also like to add, if you notice, Ricks dispersion with his own club was much tighter. Granted he is used to those clubs, they are fitted for him and he is a pro golfer.... BUT... it poses a question: Are these forgiving clubs just forgiving in a sense that off centered hits will still get air born and travel a desired distance? If Rick got fitted for these clubs would his dispersion be any tighter than with his Hogans? I think not! - I think forgiveness is about distance and for many it also sacrifices accuracy.
This may have already been touched on in the long list of comments, but aren't these irons made for golfers with a slower swing speed who need more height and can't get it from a normal set that Rick would play with. Lower CG and then a lower loft to compensate.The traditional 5 iron would not have the lower CG and so, the TM M2 6 iron with a lower CG makes the slower swinging player hit it about the same as the better golfer's 5 iron. Rick would see no difference between his 5 iron and the TM 5 iron.
I think they have changed the lofts, So instead i=of having a 3 iron or 2 iron now you get to have the 3 or 4 wedges , where as in the old clubs you would have a 3 iron down and a pitch wedge and sand wedge. New clubs you get a lob wedge also now. My 7 iron is 36 deg and my 6 iron is 32 deg, and I love the loft of my clubs. The old Tommy Armour 845s silver scott from 25 years ago lol, Best feeling clubs I have hit
I have rocketbladzes the 4 iron is the same length and loft 20 degrees as my old muzino mx17 three iorn. This meant I could drop 3 iron out and put 50 degree vokey 60 degree lob wedge to have even 5degree gaps from 9 iron to lob wedge 40,45,50,55sand60 lob. this give me 130yards 9iorn 115 pitching wedge 100yards 50degree 85 yards sand wedge 70yards lobwedge. before i had only 95 yards with 52degree vokey and 75yards with 58degree mizuno tseries. Extra wedge leaves more full shots into greens.
Rick you sort of missed the obvious comparison here... I would have liked to see you hit your own 6 iron to compare the peak height and launch angle with the M2 6 iron. Because we really don't know how high you hit your 6 iron... intuitively it would go higher than a 5 iron, but the M2 8 irons that you were hitting were lower than the M2 6 iron. If you were hitting your 6 iron essentially the same height but with slightly less distance, then that would support what TaylorMade is saying about the M2.
What was the difference in length (of the club) between the TM 6 iron and your 26 or 30 degree Ben Hogan? Arguably if you get similar distance & flight but off a shorter club it SHOULD be easier to hit. Also Rick, how did they feel? Any jollies from the feel at all or just super GI irons with jacked lofts? Someone needs to come up with an index that indicates distance to loft and perhaps shaft length and use that across the industry instead of the ridiculous marketing claims based on a number on the bottom of the club. Would suggest the Ben Hogans would have come out pretty well in this test, based on loft.... and I am sure they felt a lot nicer in the process.
I looked at the lofts for my RBZ max irons and most of the M2 lofts were .5 to 1 degree stronger, except the 5 and 7 iron were 1.5 degrees stronger. Seems odd.
+ben wyatt Think i recall Pete saying in his last video that he was going to upload all the back 9 videos on his channel today mate...fingers crossed hey.
Great video Rick. Isn't it silly that these manufacturers keep pumping out new clubs every couple of months? This new M2 iron set is hideous. These remind me of the Adams XTD irons... ugly, hard to look at, and don't interest me in the least. It really puts me off when a manufacturer cranks down the lofts just to say they're long. I personally am getting really angry at these ridiculous clubs. I'm sure there are folks out there who love them, but I don't buy into this concept and design.
+Jason Semmler Taylormade is the worst at this though. I actually just got fitted this past spring for RSI1s and they are totally fine. Only about a degree of loft stronger than my old clubs. Plus, I know golfers are always looking to get more distance but an amateur golfer or even an intermediate golfer probably isn't playing enough to really get the most out of these clubs or playing courses that demand super long shots. Anyway, just my 2 cents
I have a set of M2s I love them, and yes I am aware of the strong loft, I know if the person I am playing with grabs an 8 I grab a 9. It's all personal preference, I don't see the point in arguing. After hours of testing clubs these are the ones that felt best to me. It's all preference.
Yep. Play with whatever club you want. Then take their money.
You know I never got these for the distance at all. In fact I never wanted to lose them coming from a Titleist fan here. But I compared side spin and dispersion vs ping, Callaway, etc. What I did find was the overall shot shape was very repeatable with the M2 irons. I ended up checking the MPF numbers on these irons after a few monitor sessions and sure enough Maltby ranks them very forgiving with an MOI over 12 and a large 'C' value, far away from the hosel. I was quite surprised at this since the MPF normally suffers on strong lofted clubs. As a result I was seeing very good forgiveness on slightly errant shots. My guess? The lofts are indeed strong, but the shorter shafts actually help us make better contact combined with less twisting at impact on miss hits. Personally I hit the 6 iron too far but I couldn't get past the forgiveness. As a thought, I would love it if you could get past the distance factor and look at long shot dispersions on slight miss hits. Thanks.
Holy crap. My irons are Mizuno MPs and the M2 5 iron is the same loft as my 3 iron! Just a gimmick to give the false impression of more distance. Not to mention the gapping issues with wedges.
Danny-the wedges are 6 degrees apart and a full club strong. I would like to see a review of the wedges and the yardage gaps between them. Actually I wouldn't cause I would never play these anyway.
+Danny O'neal Yes and they can sell more wedges.
+Danny O'neal
Remember that the lofts are not what make distances. Spin rates and length differences make up a vast majority of the gaps. Only high swing speed players will gain any distance from strong lofts, and that is only 1 yard per degree on average. To clarify, some golfers lose distance from stronger lofts (not getting it up in the air), and some golfers will hit it the same distance regardless of loft. With all that said, what does make these irons go far and high is the weighting. Low CG = high launch. They make the lofts stronger to offset how low the weighting is.
bit like women's clothes in America - call a real size 12 an 8 and let people pretend they are not on the large size
+Danny O'neal It is NOT a gimmick. My normal 7 goes around 180 and when I hit the M2 7, the ball goes around 210!
Just got these,awesome!!! Being able to hit a 7 iron into a 180-190 green is confidence building
Got lucky picking up a like new set of these irons 4-SW with the graphite shafts for $40 at a yard sale. They immediately went into my bag. They are fantastic. I've been letting my wife try these and her overall improvement has been awesome. They are very forgiving for her, straight shots with distance.
I personally think that this is the best video you've done. Its honest and detailed. These are about distance but aren't even as long as the Callaway xr. Anyway when will people start to understand distance alone doesn't lower scores.
I've been playing with these for a couple years. I really like them. And yes, the 8 iron is like a 7 iron. I wish I could hit the 6 iron 200 yards. I can barely hit my driver that far.
I’m a 20 handicap that’s been playing for 10 months and I just picked up a set of these. One range session and they feel great. We’ll see if that sticks on course…
I've just bought a full set of m2 irons and Wedges and m1 woods and driver and I'm so excited to use them
Picking these up off Facebook market today.
@@ThePhillipFernandezI'm doing the same today. What did you guys pay roughly?
These irons are better than people are saying I play off 8 and couldn't be happier with them
Exactly. These dudes are clueless. Never even hit one and sit here ripping them. Comical.
Isnt the question whether the m2 6 iron is easier to hit then your traditional 6 iron? A much lower lofted 6 iron that is easier to hit and longer... Imagine having a driver that is 5.5 degrees and that is easier and longer than as a 10.5 degree driver...
+Johannes Riedl These irons are meant for "average" golfers. Majority of golfers are... average (18 handicap, 150 yd carry with 5 iron, 200/220 carry with driver). If you have a 25 degree 7 iron that you can hit as easy and longer than a 31/34 degree 7 iron, then it's a win win for everyone. Its golf snobs (me included) who sometimes make such a big deal about the specs. As far as peak height goes, its not a big deal since your average golfer absolutely relies on roll for distance. Also, as far as having to carry an extra wedge?... for an "average" golfer, they need as much difference in loft between clubs in order to get the proper gapping (think about why many high handicappers may hit their 7 iron longer than their 6 iron).
+Johannes Riedl The question is "IF" it's easier to hit... then the m2 makes sense for many golfers. Im not saying it is... I just don't like people bombing game improvement clubs just because of the specs.
I currently game the Apex CF16 but have in the past gamed many TM game improvement irons (rsi 1&2, burner 2.0, r11, r9, rac os).
I wonder why Rick and Pete have never reviewed the Callaway Apex line of clubs. Its really popular... RICK? Apex review?
+Johannes Riedl the length of the shaft is why you could hit a 7 iron better then a 6 iron. If I could take a half inch off my 6 iron and get the same distance I that would have if I hadn't removed the inch, id be extremely more comfortable. Now I get a 7 iron that hits like a 6 iron but has the length of my 7 iron. ( I'm a 15 handicap)
+Jay An I'm a low HC and I switched to M2 irons w KBS tour shafts. Your statements are invalid. Yes high handicap
Average joes would benefit. But so would others.
Johannes Riedl needing another wedge depends on your bag set up. I have 5 wedges. Was never an issue for me. It doesn't take much to figure it out after you play 1-2 rounds.
In my case 125 out became the AW instead of the PW. But it did not affect any other club. You should be playing the game leaving you with the distance you want. Inside 100 it's the same wedges that have been in my bag all along. I don't understand this gapping debate.
You don't play the game trying to hit every shot as far as you can.
So if you feel gapping is a true concern play to your comfortable approach distance (should be anyway). And use the wedges you use today.
Gapping is only an issue if all you use is the included AW and PW. I would hope if you are spending a this kind of money you own a gapped wedge collection in addition to your iron set.
I love my new M2 irons. I've only played 6 rounds this season so far, but I've hit hundreds of balls on the range, getting used to the clubs. Sure, there is a big argument going on about strong loft, club numbering etc, but the bottom line is that I'm very happy with them and that's all that really matters. I don't care what number club I use to get a certain distance as long as I can get a positive result which these irons provide.
I demoed the clubs and felt they were easier to hit in general. Regardless of the loft angle, I think the "technology" helps for the easiness. How about customizing the clubs with 2 degree weaker loft?
Holy cow. 240 yards with a 4 iron that’s about what my driver is. I’m picking head up tomorrow and I’m excited that my 7 is now my 6 etc etc. I’m not a pro golfer so the forgiveness and the longer distance makes me feel good. 😎
As a lower ball hitter and one who has hit this iron extensively I was carrying the 7 iron from 150 to 180 these might be alright for the high handicapper, but I would struggle massively with distance control. I will stick to the Mizuno MP-54 with RIP Tour 115's which gives me much more consistent distances which are key to better scoring. I am not afraid to be shorter, my buddies outdrive me by 50 yards already I will take 260 and near the fairway all day every day.
Understanding that you hit only a few shots with these, but you would avg. hit the 9i -160; P-150; A-140... how many wedges would you carry?
Great review, Rick. Excellent job explaining the whole situation with the lofts. Excited to see the M2 review!
So I hit my 52 degree wedge 100 yards and my current PW 125. I buy these and I now have a PW that goes, say 140. I now have a 40 yard gap in my set. I have to leave my current PW in the bag!!
This is just like the "Bubble Shaft" fiasco of the 90's. Thank you Rick for the honest review.
I have hit the 8 iron with 175 carry on a GC Quad. But my typical carry is 160 to 165 with a nice high launch. The 4 iron I have carried 225 on the GC Quad. I love these clubs. It eliminates the need for a 3 iron LOL.
The reason they crack loft is to sell you them in a fitting ,saying "these are going further than your old clubs"
Looks like a good option for golfers who play TM game improvement irons from 5-10 years ago which tend to hit the ball very high.
Rick, let me help you get your head around it. A lot of club golfers like to say "what did you hit there?" - "oh, you hit a 6 iron? I hit a 7 iron". That makes them feel better about themselves and TM are catering for that crowd. Most of the manufacturers are doing this now, but this is certainly the most aggressive one yet.
+don blem He addresses this in the video.
I have watched your videos quite often when lookin for new irons, and every time I watch I feel like I have some really strong iron distance. My PW is an average of 175-180 yds..
had to get a 6iron to help me on long par 3's I hit it about 175 t0 180 and it works fantastic. Way more accurate than a hybrid and plays like an iron. I would recommend this and I'm actually looking for a 5 iron as I write this
I understand the point about lofts but you didn't mention shaft lengths. How do they compare ? Does this contribute to the added distance ?
I won one of their M2 6 irons. Took it to the range today and compared it to my Taylormade R11s. Was longer than my 6 iron but shorter than my 5 iron. Starts out with a lower trajectory but reaches about the same top height. Much louder. Not worth spending $500 more. Will wait to the end of the year and pick up a set of PSI when the price drops.Anyone want to buy a M2 6 iron ?
I see your point on the stronger lofts on the clubs but, is the shaft the standard length as with the traditional club? If it is, I can see how one would feel more comfortable hitting the club.
How do they compare to the RSI? Are these a replacement for the RSI?
By giving a club a stronger loft to make it go further, will it make it easier to hit the disstance. I have a 8 Iron, hitting it max 140-145 max, but would like to hit it 140-155. Will just adjusting the loft a bit more on my Irons make it easier to hit the distances. Does that work for all Irons, as I struggle to get good disstances out my 5 and 4, but get great distance out my 6.
I can't believe you're that surprised at TM jacking lofts, they invented the practice when they released the original Burner irons. In a launch monitor era these clubs will produce just enough extra yards to make people switch.
Nice review Rick. Absolute cast iron proof that iron numbers no longer matter but the degree of loft does! Maybe the FW irons have broken the mould by just putting degree numbers on as essentially, the iron number means nothing, but the distance you can hit that iron with ease because of the tech involved is surely the key.
Helpful clubs for high handicappers. I do love the fact that there no more slots on the clubface, really puts me off. In the end I don't believe in shifting the club numbers... If it takes a 6 i'll take my 30degree 6... even if my mates take a 7 iron. On the course I do sometimes take a longer club to be able to swing more calmly, and hit more greens. That gives me confidence...
shorter shaft. Same flight as a blade. With forgiveness. And the shorter shaft makes it more consistent. Especially in the long irons. So it says 4, which got up very high, but it is actually a 3... with a 1/2 shorter shaft. You get the distance and trajectory of a 3 with a club that is the length of a 4. Personally I think they would go just as far with more loft. They also seem like they would be good into the wind. The 6 flew lie a 5. The 4 flew like a 4. The 4 went as far as a 3 with a 4 iron trajectory.
The other day I hit an apex pro 6 iron about 220 through carry and I have about the same club head speed as Rick, if not a bit higher. I'd like to see him do a review with all of the ridiculous distance game improvement irons. The technology these days is getting stupid long.
No wonder why I was choking, freaking 28 degrees 7 iron, holly cow!
I would like to see your comparison of the RSi 1 vs. M2.
I somewhat feel if you got this set looking back at the lofts that you would have to add another wedge to your set cause the sand wedge and the lob wedge are traditional lofts but the pitching wedge is strong and the approach wedge is strong. Like you would probably be better off having say 4 to pw in M2, your normal wedge set but then by another pw to fill that gap. What do other people think.
hey rick. what is the difference between the shaft lengths between the standard m2 and the standard ben Hogan? The shorter shaft are going to make them easier for people to hit more consistently?
I was also skeptical until I hit them. 7 iron M2 to 7 iron in my old pings, I get a more boring ball flight (expected with the lower lofts) but higher peak height too with tons of added distance. Quite surprised, but I'll take it.
Though I must say two things:
1) I have always struggled with distance in my irons
2) I launch *wayyyyyy* too high (26 degrees ish), which kills my distance, but I hold greens.
These facts make these irons uniquely suited for my game. I doubt they would benefit many golfers, especially if they struggle getting the ball airborne.
So true about hitting a club less when playing with the mates, "you are the big boy"....😀
I know that this is a late comment but I think the reason that they have to lover lofts is becasue you can hit it a little further while still getting a clean strike.
Rick you should have compared that 6 iron to your 6 iron. They are saying you don't sacrifice peak height with the strong lofted 6 iron compared to a traditional 6 iron. You compared it to a similar lofted iron so the peak height should have been the same. Good vid keep em coming
Rick, I know you are saying they report you aren't sacrificing height. You begin to talk about looking at peak height of the two irons. I was always told that all of our iron shots should be hitting roughly the same peak height. It is just the launch angle/flight to get to that height. If we watch pros, they hit irons about the same height, but again, the launch angle/flight is different. What were the launch angle differences? Did the M2 6 launch at a higher angle than your 5? if so, then it does perform how they say (BTW I am not a huge TMAG fan, I think most of the OEMs have the gimmicks with lofts and saying that the flight is this and that yada yada.)
And I thought my Adams XTD had a strong loft. My 4 irons is 22 degrees, 7 irons 31 degrees and 8 iron 35 degrees. I guess the M2 are going to be for someone looking for max distance. I do like the looks of them. Seems like TM releases clubs faster than Apple or MS release pc's.
Loft is much more than a number. OEMs have to adjust loft to get the correct launch, spin, etc. The jacked loft thing is blown out of proportion.
i agree loft jacking is getting more common lol...love my g25's standard lofts and still forgiving haha thanks rick
if I'm not mistaken, weren't you hitting the speedblades further than the m2's a couple years ago? with more loft and no loss of height?
Great video as always, great also to here your honest appraisal of the lofting issues with these types of irons. I tested (and nearly bought) some Callaway CF 16's a few weeks back, I was carrying their 7 iron 170 yards!!... of a 83mph swing speed! Now I normally hit my CB 7 iron 156yards... so, great surely... an extra 14yards of carry! Except NO! Because I would have had to have added at least 2 extra wedges, which would mean I would only be able to carry up to a 5 iron, before having too many clubs. So you either do this and have a lot of wedges in your set or you have a massive yardage gap! No thanks, think I'll stick with truer lofted clubs in future. Personally I feel lofts should be standardised (to within a degree or two) but that's just me!
I agree Rick, BUT I will say the beginning of the flight at initial launch has the M2 higher than you BH iron with more loft. So M2 does appear to give a Higher Launch Initially, but less spin so the curve is flatter and the ball doesn't continue to rise like the traditional blades giving you about the same Peak Height. I'm not a fan boy and don't own Taylormade irons, just my thought from the flights. What do yo think?? Thanks for the review!!!
it would be nice if you could do a comparison to the callaway XR irons. you were very vocal on those saying"what a ball flight!" over and over and this review you said "why isnt it just a 5 iron?" over and over yet they share the same club length and 1 degree difference. as someone who is looking for some distance, I would like to see who really does have the better ball flight! anyways, thanks for the reviews, they are very informative and look forward to them!
Will the shaft length help golfers with strike etc? For me the smaller the club the easier i feel i hit it.
Would love to try these. I like how TaylorMade makes different products. Too much of the same ol same ol stuff. Great review Rick
Hi Rick. I was just wondering what the spin numbers were like on these irons? You mentioned strong loft, so I was wondering if they had the same "sticky" spin as other irons?
Taylormade sent me a M2 six iron today to demo and comment on. This club is longer than my 5 iron (Mizuno JPX800). When I looked at the hosel I thought it was a removable head because of the ridges on it, it's not. What happens when one gets down to the 4? A P.W. will flyfurther than my 9 iron so what I see is I would have to now change all the distances that I remember with my own clubs, makes no sense to me. This is exactly how they tout "longer, more distance etc." it's the same with their woods especially the driver. To me this is counter-productive. A six in this iron is actually a 5+iron. Also I had won a set of Wilson D100's in a tourney and noticed something different about them, they are pretty much the same as the M2 except they fly so high it's impossible to estimate the distance, carry and total of any club. The P.W in the D100s flies as far as my JPX 8 iron nearly. My question is how does Taylormade presume to fit anyone to these clubs? I am a 4 handicap but would not play with either of these clubs, it's deceptive.
Looks like a facelift on the aeroburner irons? Similar lofts and chunky heads
I think this is one of your best videos. Very well reviewed. That said, these clubs are Ridiculous. I play Taylormade R11 irons, and they play that loft jacking crap on those too. I'm looking at AP2's or maybe Mizuno's next.
Do a test of the peak height of your highest lofted club and your lowest lifted club. I bet you'll find they are VERY close!!
Outrageous lofts! Can't really see the point in changing the numbering to reflect a different club when the loft obviously says its something else. But of course they'll play on the psychology factor.
If you have a lower ball flight you will struggle with the irons. I am a 10 and when I useds the Ms I did get more distance from 7-8-9-p but the ball flight was much lower than my Pings. So flying a 7 in from 160 it was tough to hold the green, same with other short irons. Distance? Yes about 10 yards longer per iron, but it was not worth my lack of control of yardage. But like Rick stated the 7 is 28.5 loft. That is a normal 5 or 6 iron.
Reading some comments that puzzle me.... Why would you need an extra wedge? The loft of the M2 AW and PW are weaker than the Titleist AP1 wedges. There's no issue at the weak end of the bag. What am I missing?
My own issue is that 9 thru 5 covers the same ground as 9 thru 4 in my old set. Distance control/gapping in the mid to longer irons is the issue. On the other hand I carry one less iron, which I use for another wood. What do you want in your bag for your game and the courses you play? A little more fire power or a little more precision...? Pick your poison, but the clubs are as advertised. In a world of exaggerated claims for "me too" products, I think it's good to have an honest choice. If you don't like the clubs then don't play them.
Personally, as a 12year old golfer, I prefer stronger lofted irons to get me the distance, however, i think that at this point where there is less loft on the 8 iron, than the loft of a bladed/forged 7 iron is ridiculous.
Rick would it be ideal us that 4 irons as a driving irons ? what are some characteristics you look for in a driving iron ?
Good, honest review Rick. Thank you for telling it like it is.
@Rick Do you think TaylorMade is trying to do the same as Callaway with the Big Bertha irons? Chunky easy hitting iron
Ricky with TMs previous irons they been focusing on mis-hits would you say they are going back to adding "distance" with the stronger lofts
Brilliant marketing to hook new golfers, and trend-dependent golfers. So, Joe Blow gets a new set of M2's- PW to 4, gets a hybrid, 5 and 3 wood, and driver. Joe Blow now realizes his clubs are too long and needs 2 extra wedges than he would have otherwise to make up the gap on the short side of the bag. Now he has more wedges and has to sacrifice some of the longer clubs to keep his bag in line... and Taylormade is laughing all the way to the bank while your barely used wood/hybrids are on sale on Ebay. I'm starting to hate this trend. It's almost insulting to golfers.
+40Rouge Couldn't agree more! I nearly got caught out by this (see my post above).
You should warn this Joe before he proceeds
+40Rouge exactly! your 7 iron may go further but it's now harder to hit than your old 7 iron because it's really a 6 or 5 iron. they're supposed to be game improvement sets but how many lower handicapped players want to or can hit an 19 degree 4 iron? it's time more companies just put the loft on the iron (like rick's hogans do). it'd make it easier for my brain to figure out what club is what. they've got the consumers all confused into buying new shit and it's not good.
+40Rouge The R&A and USGA need to step in and stop golf manufacturers jacking lofts and calling them what they like. There should be a rule for numbered golf clubs being within a certain dynamic loft and length of shaft. It is madness and false marketing. TaylorMade should be ashamed of themselves
+James Vargeson I don't think you guys fully understand why lofts have become stronger. Lofts are becoming stronger, because the modern day golf clubs like the M2 would hit the ball too high if the 7 iron had 34-36 degrees of loft, hence why blades always have more loft because if they had the same loft as M2 you would hit the ball too low. Yes they have become stronger to try and get average golfer to hit the ball further as well. BUT, the average golfer needs help to hit the ball further. Everyday, when we do club fittings at our shop, the majority of golfer say they hit their own 7 iron 150 yards, they rarely do. Some are lucky to hit it 110 - 120. So with a little tuition and proper custom fit we can normally achieve anywhere from a 10-35 yard improvement for a player with more consistency. Most of our customers who upgrade equipment, actually find it easier to hit the new 7 irons with stronger lofts, because of the new technology like speed pockets that offer forgiveness on mis-hits. Obviously the people who see the most improvement are people who have never been fitted before or have very old golf equipment. Just my experience and thoughts. Yes a golfer may need additional wedges at the bottom end of their bag, but most sets start at a 5 iron now instead of 3 like they used because of distance gains and the popularity and easier to use hybrids. So customers can still get the same amount of clubs as they would have in the past just in a different configuration. You used to buy 3-SW now people get 5-SW with a Gap wedge and a hybrid!
+Rick Shiels Golf, which type of player do you think they'd benefit? Amateur and mid to high handicapper, or single figure player only??
great review as always
I've just bought the RSI 1's based on ricks review of them in which he was so positive. He didn't seems that convinced by these clubs. I think any keen golfer looking for the latest taylormade clubs would look no further than the PSI's?
Rick, with such strong lofts doesn't it become a problem at the and of the bag when your gap between your PW en lets say 52 degree gap wege is so big that you have to put another club in to fill in the gap?
That's why you wouldn't get a 52* wedge if you got this set. If I remember correctly, in the video it said the set came with a 49* gap wedge. So you could get a 53 or 54* loft wedge to fill that gap and then get a 58*. But really it's all about finding out how far you hit each club. I got a hybrid that's 19* and a chunky iron that's 20* that I use as a driving iron and the yardage gap is about 12-15 yards. So testing is the most important aspect of this
+Brandon Ibold thanks
Hey Rick, Thanks for your training and tips. I love them!! I have one problem with your judgement with different clubs you are comparing. You have me totally confused with the lofts with the Callaway M2 and your own irons. You are a pro/ trainer and what i would like to hear is more about the benefit of the club you are testing than the difference with your clubs. I as a middle handicap (11).I m looking to purchase new irons (fitted) but you have confused me about loft. Please keep it simple for us mortals and just tell us what you think and feel with the irons you are testing not the difference between them and yours . Thank again, Kevin
+kevin evans the M2's are Taylormade. I hope that fixes your confusion.
Rick with the 4 iron having the loft of a standard 3 iron, does that mean if I struggle with longer irons i will struggle with these?
Honest review. I agree, review some Wilson Staff irons.
Will you be reviewing the new Wilson Staff F5 irons. Hear they are really great irons. Thanks for your reviews.
My guess is that these clubs are designed for the beginning player. the strong lofts will help the new players get the ball up in the air. The lofts will also help them achieve distance. That's just my guess though.
Lol stronger lofts actually make it harder to get the ball in the air. It's the cg placement that helps achieve the height. But yeah clearly they're aimed toward the beginner, there are very few good golfers that prefer these kinds clubs and most of them are older and struggling for distance
+Brandon Ibold both of u are morons. These 4I m2 are in place bags as a driving iron. U are clueless.
+hitdog042 *in PGA tour bags
You never mentioned, but what's the offset like on these, that is what usually kills these clubs for me, way too much offset and a real struggle to keep it from going left
I would also like to add, if you notice, Ricks dispersion with his own club was much tighter. Granted he is used to those clubs, they are fitted for him and he is a pro golfer.... BUT... it poses a question: Are these forgiving clubs just forgiving in a sense that off centered hits will still get air born and travel a desired distance? If Rick got fitted for these clubs would his dispersion be any tighter than with his Hogans? I think not! - I think forgiveness is about distance and for many it also sacrifices accuracy.
Excellent review Rick very honest!
This may have already been touched on in the long list of comments, but aren't these irons made for golfers with a slower swing speed who need more height and can't get it from a normal set that Rick would play with. Lower CG and then a lower loft to compensate.The traditional 5 iron would not have the lower CG and so, the TM M2 6 iron with a lower CG makes the slower swinging player hit it about the same as the better golfer's 5 iron. Rick would see no difference between his 5 iron and the TM 5 iron.
Hey Rick, would be great if you can compare both with tables/ charts as well as actual shots against some of the other irons!
I think they have changed the lofts, So instead i=of having a 3 iron or 2 iron now you get to have the 3 or 4 wedges , where as in the old clubs you would have a 3 iron down and a pitch wedge and sand wedge. New clubs you get a lob wedge also now. My 7 iron is 36 deg and my 6 iron is 32 deg, and I love the loft of my clubs. The old Tommy Armour 845s silver scott from 25 years ago lol, Best feeling clubs I have hit
Do you not have any spikes in your shoes?
is a good replacement for aeroburner's Irons. Possibly more powered.
I have rocketbladzes the 4 iron is the same length and loft 20 degrees as my old muzino mx17 three iorn. This meant I could drop 3 iron out and put 50 degree vokey 60 degree lob wedge to have even 5degree gaps from 9 iron to lob wedge 40,45,50,55sand60 lob. this give me 130yards 9iorn 115 pitching wedge 100yards 50degree 85 yards sand wedge 70yards lobwedge. before i had only 95 yards with 52degree vokey and 75yards with 58degree mizuno tseries. Extra wedge leaves more full shots into greens.
I wonder if the the m2 tour irons are the same deal?
Rick you sort of missed the obvious comparison here... I would have liked to see you hit your own 6 iron to compare the peak height and launch angle with the M2 6 iron. Because we really don't know how high you hit your 6 iron... intuitively it would go higher than a 5 iron, but the M2 8 irons that you were hitting were lower than the M2 6 iron. If you were hitting your 6 iron essentially the same height but with slightly less distance, then that would support what TaylorMade is saying about the M2.
Should compare the 2016 to the 2017, in the m2 irons.
shouldn't every club peak at approximately the same height?
Are these anything like the Apex Pro '16 that finished 3rd, 6th, and 17th in the LaQuinta event yesterday (Mickelson, Hadwin, Gore respectively) ;)
+Eric Davis I don't think he reviewed those. Don't know why.
looks like burner irons reinvented ! it all depends on the hang time!
What was the difference in length (of the club) between the TM 6 iron and your 26 or 30 degree Ben Hogan? Arguably if you get similar distance & flight but off a shorter club it SHOULD be easier to hit. Also Rick, how did they feel? Any jollies from the feel at all or just super GI irons with jacked lofts?
Someone needs to come up with an index that indicates distance to loft and perhaps shaft length and use that across the industry instead of the ridiculous marketing claims based on a number on the bottom of the club. Would suggest the Ben Hogans would have come out pretty well in this test, based on loft.... and I am sure they felt a lot nicer in the process.
my 3iron is only 21° so the 4 is a strong 3 or weak 2? ridiculous!
they got that idea from the wilson D200,you should do a comparison rick
Maybe a good one one for Rob Potter to try out?
I looked at the lofts for my RBZ max irons and most of the M2 lofts were .5 to 1 degree stronger, except the 5 and 7 iron were 1.5 degrees stronger. Seems odd.
I hope the average joe golfer doesn't get scammed by the Taylor made marketing machine .
Glad Rick called them out on it.
wow !! and also where is the back 9 holes at delamare ? petes channel doesnt have them !!
+ben wyatt Think i recall Pete saying in his last video that he was going to upload all the back 9 videos on his channel today mate...fingers crossed hey.
Honest review , love the excitement that strong lofts create? What happened to the review with the Chinese models by the way?
Great video Rick. Isn't it silly that these manufacturers keep pumping out new clubs every couple of months? This new M2 iron set is hideous. These remind me of the Adams XTD irons... ugly, hard to look at, and don't interest me in the least. It really puts me off when a manufacturer cranks down the lofts just to say they're long. I personally am getting really angry at these ridiculous clubs. I'm sure there are folks out there who love them, but I don't buy into this concept and design.
+Jason Semmler Taylormade is the worst at this though. I actually just got fitted this past spring for RSI1s and they are totally fine. Only about a degree of loft stronger than my old clubs. Plus, I know golfers are always looking to get more distance but an amateur golfer or even an intermediate golfer probably isn't playing enough to really get the most out of these clubs or playing courses that demand super long shots. Anyway, just my 2 cents
I have a RSi1 irons. Does it make sense to upgrade them or stick to them for a while until the M2 price comes down??
yes they are much better clubs
+Justin Boyd I got a great deal and got the new M2s