English Guitarist Reacts to Polyphia - Ego Death feat. Steve Vai
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In this video I react to the new song 'Ego Death' by @Polyphia feat. @SteveVaiHimself and give my honest opinion.
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Sean
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Hi everyone, just to clear things up about the reaction video:
1. I never once said that any member of the band couldn't play their parts live
2. I never once said that the song is musically bad
3. I pause the music A LOT because I have something to say about the music up to that moment. Not everyone is a musician, and so, if I left discussing what's happening musically at the very end, they wouldn't know which part of the song I'm talking about.
I don't watch other reaction videos much, so I'm assuming most don't go in depth on what's happening musically (or choose to just sit there and watch because they don't have anything to say presumably)? I would find watching such videos incredibly boring and a waste of my time personally. Besides, if I just waited and said nothing right till the end, then I would forget to discuss all the different points I wanted to make.
4. Maybe I'm too honest in my reactions, and my channel in general, but if I only ever said 'I love everything' about every song, mix, arrangement and gear review, then that would be FAKE. There's enough fakery out there already, and I don't wish to be a part of it as best as I can.
5. I never said that modern music isn't edited. I'm discussing the level to which this song was edited, and how much is too much in general? It's an open-ended question and I never criticised Polyphia on this point - there is no right or wrong ultimately. I said in the video that it's each to their own, but for me personally, I prefer music to sound like it would live (without an over-reliance on backing tracks or laptops).
Cheers guys!
Sean
I agree i do enjoy their current style but i would like for them to go a bit traditional on some songs and dont push post processing to much, but what can i say i am a big fan, and i could complain that they cant pull off a clean sounding live performance but they freaking nail it on their shows, gotta respect they dedication to learning that ass melting songs to a master level.
The slapping technique is more of a double thumping technique popularized by Tosin Abasi. TIm has spoken about learning it from him as they are friends.
There seem to be 2 camps in the reaction video scene:
People who basically just want to see someone enjoy a song with 0 pauses and basically zero added value (which make no sense to me whatsoever).
And those who actually care what people have to say about a song, and appreciate analysis and insightful comments.
You're never going to be able to please both camps, so you're better off picking one side and ignoring comments from the other side of the aisle.
1. On the contrary, what I heard was more 'it must be hard to play in the video against the demanding technical riffs hitting the ears'.
2. No, but the song isn't breaking any new ground musically. In fact, it's relatively rudimentary at its core. This is Polyphia's formula - simple, accessible chord streams with impossible etudes over the top.
3. Watching a 'reaction video' without expecting a reaction is sorta silly.
4. There are already fan pages for many of the emerging and notable acts.
5. As a photographer, I discuss the concept of editing at length. My feeling is that if you have the means to produce and release a superior product, why not do it? The quandry is always 'at what point does it become unrepresentative of reality?' On the other hand, I feel cheated when a backing track (or triggers, etc.) is used in a live performance.
Just keep adding your insight, that's always a good thing
I saw them live a month ago, and I was completely skeptical going in. I left with my mind blown. Sound was flawless. Playing was flawless. It was unreal
I already saw they and Vai(others great guitarists too), man the difference is a world of technique. Not saying that Polyphia can't play live, I think that what they do is 100% ok(about post processing to be cleaner than what they really played), but they can't play as clean/crispy as the studio version. Vai, Petrucci, Paul Gilbert, Guthrie Govan and etc can play BETTER live than the studio version, and it's ok too. That's what "experience" can offer to you. Years ahead the Polyphia guys will be able too. I don't get why everyone got butthurt with his comment, he's not saying that Polyphia can't play live.
@@C4rc455 I grew up listening to all shrapnel guitarist during 80s. Nobody listened to tony macalpine back then let alone racer x. Decades later polyphia comes along and takes everything up a notch. And polyphia can play anything, Shawn lane,Jason becker stuff. Although I rather hear Shawn play. Polyphia mentions Jason becker referred to as ,(the one guitarist from 80s,who doesn't sound like 80s) lmao! But I'm sure Polyphia can pull it off live. They got some of years of experience under thier belt. They went through 10 years nobody gave a shit.
the pauses were fine and much respect for saying something you knew may not be popular. They've got unplugged playthroughs of most of their recent singles and I'm hoping they release one for this song as well. They can definitely play the songs. I used to have the same opinion and it's actually Polyphia that convinced me otherwise. If the original playing is fantastic, you can process the song from there to breath a little more life into it for the album version. You cant pretend to notice violin parts in the background through Polyphia's complexity; but without them in, the song is somewhat lessened.
Sure it's edited, but their live performance isn't too much behind, no more than any other bands
It's polyphia, they're not shy of using all sorts of post-production in their music, and i personally love. Whatever serves the song, who cares if it's raw or not
To be fair, some people prefer a raw/live sound, while others value engineering and production.
Agreed. The point is to make cool music, and they've achieved that. So that's all that matters
If you haven’t seen them, there are live one take playthroughs of the last few songs, and yes he does nail these parts flawlessly. I got to see them live here in Phoenix a couple months ago, every one of these dudes nailed every song live note for note. The drums are compressed a lot on their recording, but clay is flawless live as well with the kit. They predominantly use neural dsp for their guitar sounds, but again are able to pull all these songs off live and it is absolutely extraordinary to see.
I love Polyphia too!❤❤❤
I really love how Steve was intro'd. Like they awoke a sleeping giant.
There was great respect paid to him by the band. I also loved the homage to the jazz/blues roots of all modern rock music at the end with that ultra-smooth, funky trumpet outro.
Didn't mind pausing at all as those comments were genuine and professional. I'm pretty sure their playthroughs will be coming out soon (and hopefully Mr. Vai himself will be there too) so let's find out how they would sound. Thanks for the reaction!!!
Of course they use plenty of processing, editing, etc.
That’s kinda Tim’s thing. He’s a genius in that respect. They always play to a click track (when recording or live). That’s how they can get things so accurate during a live session. Certainly different than some other bands who might have more of a ‘human’ feel when playing live. But again, this is their thing.
A really impressive video is them in the studio doing a live run through of Neurotica. For sure shows they can play this stuff live…. With obviously some real-time processing.
I've been playing with Tim's Archetype on Neural and I have to say, it cleans a lot! I sound far better on that software than on my amp.
Pretty sure I saw Herman Li of Dragonforce essentially say that you're crazy/hurting yourself if you're not using a click during live shows, and he would have started to use it much earlier in his career if the band knew about them.
Very insightful reaction, great stuff!
Hey man I love this one, Polyphia is the first band in ages that made me practice guitar more than drums haha! The Steve Vai section was my least favourite bit on first listen, but I like it more each time I hear it! You literally look like you're in love when you're watching that bit haha! Great vid man.
Hey man, I like the Steve Vai section more now than I did even the first time! Thanks for the feedback
Totally dig your reaction. It’s always awesome seeing other people’s points of view on music! People often forget that everyone has a different cup of tea. I can confirm polyphia is a+ live. A lot of people said GOAT , they couldn’t play it live , they do. They are top of the league of musicians. I highly rely recommend checking them out if they are in your town/country. Deff won’t be disappointed.
To each their own, mate. Nice, honest reaction. Well done
I have watched more than a dozen reaction videos to this tune alone. I always love the reaction when Vai curls into sight.
The beauty of them is that they’re finally adding something new to rock music after years of essentially stagnation. It looks “almost identical” cause it’s exactly what you’re hearing. Non of them “pretend” and if you listen to live recordings, they’re actually pretty spot on. No sign of “over editing” in them even then
Keep on pausing and commenting. I filter out the reactors that just sit and watch. I come to people likee you to expand what I know and to hear opinions and what others think. Why any one would want to watch a person just watch a music video and not say anything doesent make sense to me lol, but to each their own. You got yourself a sub dude.
Everyone smiles or goes bonkers when Steve appears on his throne. So EPIC!
good reaction. everything you said is fair. their chord progressions are pretty simple, making it more appealing/familiar to non musicians, imo. it's definitely not for everybody, but I love that they're taking chances, and still showing respect to a giant like via.
their sound live is great. different tones (obviously), but the accuracy is amazing. saw them this summer, 5ft from Tim, (and got to meet them!) and was blown away as I wasn't sure how well it would translate. scott and clay g. are both really good at interacting with the crowd. it was amazing watching this stuff played right in front of me.
Thanks for the info! Glad you liked the reaction. Will go see them live when they come to the UK if I’m able to 👍🏻
@@SeanBennettGuitar For what it's worth, I thought you did a great reaction video and analysis. They are your opinions that were 100% valid and that you honestly shared with us. It's nice to have different perspectives to consider. It all adds to the texture. Bear with, some of us are just obssessed with Polyphia and 'Ego death', so it's hard to balance another perspective when in that mode.
Great that you're open to going to see them in concert. If you do, it would be fantastic to get an honest review and footage of that as possible follow up content on the Polyphia live experience.
I think you need to do some Polyphia playthrough reactions man. Great breakdown
Thank you! I've just made a reaction for Tim Henson's play through of Ego Death
Seen them live twice, both times every single song sounded perfect. MY hot take is that the drummer is the most talented individual member. His timing is absolutely perfect and it keeps everyone else perfect. Amazing live show, just great vibes.
I watched them do a live skit. And was blown away. No way can they get that good unless it’s a video……wow. I was wrong. Hats off to the countless thousands of hours of practice.
I enjoyed the video and your honesty. I don't think you needed to explain yourself so much as you did in the pinned comment, haha. Anyways, I was going to say... check out Tim Henson's interview with Rick Beato. He gets into their style, mixing, and does some light live playing as well. If you're interested, of course...
Thanks! I recorded, edited and uploaded this video so fast to RUclips that everything was a blur at the time. The comments were so negative I ended up doubting what I had said and had to rewatch my own video haha. It also seemed silly to have to explain myself at the time, but people were just taking everything I said the wrong way. I need to check out that video, thanks for recommending!
do a video on their live performance, im curious what you would think about it
Good idea for a future video!
I don’t understand why you are getting so much hate. You never said anything negative about their playing, in fact you kept praising their playing, and everything you said was professional and legitimate observations and you clearly know what you are talking about. I hate when people get upset at a reaction channel pausing, if they don’t want to hear what the person thinks of a song they should not be watching reaction videos. My only recommendation is that you go back 5 or 10 seconds before resuming after a pause so you can get back into where you were at and don’t miss any transitions in the song
It’s alright, all the haters are helping the viewer count by clicking on the video - I just pity them really 😆. Their use of a Sunday for writing hate comments says more about them, rather than me, and how they choose to spend their short lives. Whilst they’re hoping I see all their comments and take the bait, I’m too busy editing the next batch of videos for my channel to bother reading them 🤷🏻♂️ I hope their lives improve (genuinely) - they’re obviously not happy with their own and taking it out on me - I can handle it though! Thanks for your constructive feedback - I will use it for the next batch of reactions I record (I’ve already recorded quite a few before this one, but I will implement it in the future) 👍🏻
this song is great, regardless how much editing was there. I can't stop listening :D I'm curious to see how they will play it in a concert :D
but, with all the great quality that Tim Hanson and Scott have, my god, when Steve Vai comes into the party, it's just another level. It's so much experience doing less notes and delivering so great musicality that I fel like he was saying: "ok boys, you are going to be great, but allow daddy show you a bit here why I am called the Wizard" :D I think that was on purpose
you'd be surprised at the degree to which the processing/sample based stuff can be done live. Tim's got his own Neural DSP font library or whatever that he uses for a lot of his stuff. the computers are just built into the live production loop.
since you're into tone, i'd love to see your reaction to Sokoninaru. they do insane tone and effect shifting with a more organic pedal-board setup, and they're just generally phenomenal.
Thanks of the recommendation! I will check out Sokoninaru
If you haven't heard of him yet, check out the Charles Berthoud channel. He's done some slap bass covers of Polyphia along with a recent bass/guitar battle with Bernth. The guy is incredible.
Thanks! I will check him out 😊
@@SeanBennettGuitar you're more than welcome. Enjoy...
You'll have to see them live, still very impressive if not amazing. I understand your opinion and tend to agree a bit but you will see they are quite good.
That was a great review, full of technical critique and insight. One of the best I have seen on this [song/tune/track?]. I don’t always agree with your conclusions from the point of view of musical preference, but that’s fine. The main thing is what you are saying is thought-provoking and meaningful. Great job, new sub!
Thanks! Much appreciated
I recommend checking out their studio live playthrough of neurotica so you can hear the live approach of it.
The Drum recording my have something added but you can hear the Actual studio cut of just him playing to the music. So, if there's something added it may be reverb or something. But his playing is not, it is that tight.
They are excellent musicians and I’d never dream of saying they aren’t.
They graph every part out, but they do have videos showing they can play their stuff live. That's not really the point of the music they make though, Tim has said in the past he tries to emulate "rap on guitar" and try to do things different. Both him, Scot, and Clay are generational talents that just want to do something unique.
You should go see them live.... maybe seeing played live without all the "overproduction" you might like the live versions!
The Ibanez guitar is a salute I think to Vai as well.
i like how you got to a point where you just stopped stopping the video and watched it.
I like when people read the title that’s it’s a reaction video and not the official music video.
Watch "Playing God" unplugged by Tim. It's just unreal seeing it raw as can be played.
One of the music influences of Scott was pantera. Maybe that’s why he used a metal guitar.
Uhh that Ibanez that Scott played is very on point to polyphias earlier sound. They were straight up shred gawds.
If someone you didn’t know played exactly what Vai did, I’d bet money you guys wouldn’t think this highly of it. You’re out of your minds if that was your favorite part of this entire song
my opinions exactly on Polyphia. I love how when Steve came in, it sorta broke down that ultra-clean aspect of their production in favour of letting Steve work his magic
I think the small off times of playing in the video versus the actual track could be chalked up more to editing then their actual miming.
Genuine question, does Tim Henson make you want quit guitar?
Not in the slightest! Not sure why anyone would want to quit guitar over another guitarist? Every guitarist is unique in some form regarding sound and approach to the instrument. Why quit when it’s impossible to be a literal replica of another guitarist anyway? Why would you want to be any other guitarist but yourself in the first place? It’s a form of expression rather than a competition. It’s better to take inspiration, learn what you can, and continue developing your own sound - that’s how you stand out. That’s definitely what Tosin Abasi, Tim Henson, Scott LePage, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson and many others have done - they took inspiration, but didn’t try and be an imitation of anyone but themselves and their own ideas. A lot of players out there will be trying to sound identical to Tim Henson and other amazing guitarists, but will forget to realise that in doing so they won’t be able to stand out if they only pursue that end as musicians. No-one should want to only copy another guitarist as identically as possible anyway, because you will only end up a pale reflection of the guitarist you’re trying to emulate (even if you do it exceptionally well).
Lul you’ve certainly never seen any of Tim or Scott’s unplugged play throughs
I'm a polyphia meatrider, cool video 🤤
“I cut the top of my head off…”
Me: oh is that why he is wearing a hat?
“During recording”
Me: oh 🤡
i suggest you react to "playing god - polyphia" then after you can react to "playing god unplugged" to see more of a live performance without all the processing :)
Thanks for the recommendation. I have already made a reaction a while ago for 'Playing God'. I will check out the unplugged version and make a reaction/analysis this week. Thanks again!
They play everything live their is no editing(samples are used tho live)
React to playing god unplugged
Studio band have always been a thing. Polyphia seems to straddle that line by constantly writing stuff they can barely play. But on the plus side, it forces them to improve at their craft, so I think it's a smart way to constantly improve as a musician.
Agreed! I can’t play the stuff I write until I sit and learn what I actually did.
Probably a good idea to realise that saying things like ‘I’m not saying it’s crap or anything but’ or ‘ I’m not criticising them but’ is in all cases doing exactly what you are saying that you are not. Now I’m not saying that’s a bad thing… 😜
How I wish Al di Meola , Joe Satriani or David Gilmore had done the Vai bit .
Go watch some live videos of polyphia if you feel that way. They make it happen.
edit: And that's coming from a guy that doesn't listen to them much either.
this is the link tim was playing real time ruclips.net/video/royKF8rz9Qw/видео.html
Thanks! I will make a reaction/analysis of it
I agree. You're right about all your opinion in the last video. Everything can happen inside the studio record.
I bet they trying so hard in their practice to bring this song in their performance.
But in the other side, all the fans had a high expectation to Polyphia in their live concert to see the samely performance like in that video.
Many Polyphia's live performance had a lot of missed. I know, and I understand that we're all just a human with many mistakes.
But, they're absolutely crazy in music video and their must giving a same thing on the live performance.
That's what I mean.
It's too hard for us to think what they do. Especially doing that 🥲
I think you're confusing fully 'processed' drums with a backing track under real drums because the guy can play.
Otherwise great review. No issues with anything you said. Unsure what the backlash was.
Processing processing you clearly just cant play it man these guys are masters of their craft
Then view the unplugged version to shut him up. I thought a group of us as guitarists would show the world to help us 😢
I feel bad that you felt the need to address things further in the comments. No matter what approach you take, someone is gonna complain. Just keep doing what you do.
Don't feel bad mate, it comes with the territory and I knew this was going to happen sometimes. Appreciate you commenting and supporting the channel.
lol I have seen them play this live... try again bud, better luck next time.
Oh, so I should take your word for it then? Lol! Bud? I'm not your mate. Get some real friends.
Somebody gonna start more practice XDXDXD
😉 nothing like inspiration, ey?
I get what you're saying man but in all honesty if you can say that using a computer to edit (especially for a studio version of a song) makes it not as real, then using an amplifier makes it not as real, using pedals makes it not as real, and so on and so forth. Bc technically a guitar is an acoustic instrument. Just bc we've changed it to what we wanted it to be and its become common doesn't mean it isn't editing a real guitar sound. Like if you haven't seen them live then you really can't say how you would feel about the live performance that you haven't seen. Bc yea maybe they do need to use some kind of mixer or pedal or something to switch a few tones here an there but they still have to do it live. Which again practically every other guitarist in the world has several pedals and effects they can add to their tone live to achieve things that aren't technically natural for a guitar but you only seem to have a problem with specifically Polyphia doing it bc they may have used a newer technology? No hate at all just seemed like a hypocritical thing to say man.
I kind of disagree on the Drum comment I'd assume you know who B. Copeland is...yes...this is or he's playing just as sharp tight and quick...as BC... As for the Guitar Tim had a lot to do with it coming back from what I heard on I think Rick Beato...
idk why you have almost 50% dislike
Looks that way in the comments, but the like to dislike ratio on the video is actually not too shabby - way more likes than dislikes as a percentage. Anytime one of my videos does quite well this usually happens in the comments. Some people just don’t like to see a video do fairly well with views (for my channel anyway) if the content has a different opinion to their own. I had this exact same scenario with a Johnny Depp & Jeff Beck reaction I did that got views. Looks as if more people than ever can’t handle or respect an opinion different to their own - it just says more about them and their level of maturity really. I was watching the Justin Hawkins reaction to this song and he was way more cynical about it - essentially saying it’s just ‘one long solo’, and yet he hardly received any negativity in the comments. It’s just the way it is - I just say thanks to the haters for the views 😂
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sorry my english kinda bad..i mean your dislike is almost 50% of amount of your like..i dunno if you got what i mean
i think everyone should have their own opinion not meaning that we should agree or disagree..its just an opinion
u wrong, its all real, go check them out...
Didn’t say it’s not possible and all the band is obviously extremely talented. Nothing I say am I claiming as a fact - just my personal opinion. No-one should care what I have to say anyway.
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They use plug ins for their tones. Which are based on real gear rigs you can buy. And the drummer has talked a lot about using really dead drums to get that sound. Obviously its produced to sound a certain way but i think it's pretty silly to say the sound is all production. U should check out some of tim hensons videos. Listen to his plug ins. Its not artificial. Its stylized. If you know how gear works you know how to make it sound like that.
Also i don't mind pausing but i think pausing as much as you did did not allow you to actually listen to the song and you missed a lot because of it. Or you just didn't care to absorb what theyre actually doing.
Sadly your attempt to try and state they are heavily reliant on processing to play their parts is completely wrong and ignorant. Just watch tims breakdown on how it was put together to see how wrong you are. I wont be back to see you expose yiour ignorance again. good day!
Haha someone got hurt by my comments did they? 😂 Don’t worry, I wouldn’t want you back watching my content. It’s no loss to me 👍🏻
Why would you be any less impressed by tone if it was digitally processed?
The cockiness in this is dripping off the screen.
You’re aware there’s multitracks that you can play live with, ya?
go listen to them live they pretty much nail it
i finally understand why you only have 2k subs haha.
Tim and other members of this band have already proven that they can play their songs live and in one take. Yes, there is post production editing just to refine the sound but does that even need to be mentioned? Every song out there is edited.
Also, too many fucking pauses! Enjoy the song first and then say your piece.
naw they play this live,, dont knock what you cant fathom,, this is the future
4:28 What are you on mate? Do your research before you make such untrue statements. Almost every guitar riff you've ever heard is processed to some extent whether its live or not (i.e. Distortion, Whammy, etc.). It's extremely unfair to say that this performance is 'reliant' on the processing when if you were to look into it you can see & hear it played live, obviously with minor imperfections, but a near identical sound & from multiple perspectives. I typically hear them praised for their clean sound and ability to replicate their sound live. Your opinion is fine, but a lot of your statements lack substance in that regard. Don't rush your conclusions, it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
Way too much pausing going on dude. You gotta take in the song before you try to break it down.
Sean “The Pause” Bennett…. 😂
I really just watched a 15 minute video of some dude talking about post processing
too much pause going on
Lmao chill bro.. we dont respect you enough to hold any value to your opinion. Appreciate good music and pass the J, instead of acting like a pro, just practice gratitude. you have a black belt mentality, quit that.
Brother no flame brother you couldn't play this in any world. Cover the song and well see how good you are. Jesus man, not a great look.
Guy who hates Polyphia reacts to Polyphia
Even if that were true, it's also a valid react, no? you can only react to music you like? You're coming off a bit butthurt to be honest.
@@TheMrClaus Anyone can react to anything they like or not BUT why do people have to announce, or upload to the internet that they react to the contents that they hated? that is not valid bruh, just because they want attention?
@@Ounsook1 Attention is exactly what he wants, given that he is an RUclipsr who makes money out of the attention we give him.
Also, he never said he hates it, just that it isn't what he likes the most.
souless music
Ok Jerry
Funny I was just thinking the opposite. Don’t know many of Polyphias contemporaries that make me want to move my body and dance. Songs like this, YAS, so strange, etc.. are all so groovy and make me want to move my body.
If that’s not the soul of music I don’t know what is.
Ur just salty that you could never play anything they’ve ever released. It’s alright, we’ve all been there
@@jaradsage8546 Saying everyone who disagrees with you is just envious is never a good argument.
There are plenty of people who dislike plenty of things for pretty understandable reasons that are not envy.
Not that I'd agree with the oc but I've reacted exactly the same way to 80s and 90s shred. May just be a difference in taste. I've heard some people call bands soulless and formulaic while they praise others from a similar genre only to hear someone else state the opposite for both, a minute later.
try visit scottie and tim's channel, you will understand why you will never be famous no matter how hard you try lmao
u acts like a pro bruh, i dare you to cover playing god. then i wiill react your guitar playing
it such a boomer-ish reaction
there always that one hater 🤣🤣💀 Tim the pause benett!
Steve Vais great but I don't enjoy his music . I prefer ichika n polyphia . I love math rock more than metal. Steve Vai part was my least fav. I'm getting a jealous vibe from this dude. The reason you don't listen to polyphia is because they're younger than you n it makes you feel insecure. They intimidated you . You are totally jealous
Dude your pausing way to much just do the breakdown after watching
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but at least have an educated one. You clearly haven’t done your research one these guys. Damn near everything you said in this video is based on an assumption. You know what they say about when you assume…
But what you just said itself is an assumption, is it not? How did I know that they use a click live and use laptops as part of their performance? Tell me I’m wrong. I have listened to Polyphia since their album Renaissance, so how can I be uneducated in my opinion? I even say so in the video itself that I prefer their older style and have listened to them for years. I don’t need to cheat before recording a reaction video by ‘learning all the facts’ - I trust my ears and if I get things wrong, then it proves it’s a genuine reaction in the first place. There’s enough fakery on RUclips as it is. I never said they couldn’t play their parts live, so what did I say that’s wrong and an assumption?
So funny to me people actually think this is so improbable to pull of live. It’s clear they have never really branched out into prog or tech death because polyphia is good and all but they ain’t touching bands like, spiral architect, the boy will drown, and hell even symphony x. They all perform flawlessly live. It’s not hard it’s practice and real dedication. It’s having no life, taking no breaks, and totally consuming your life with becoming a musician. Anything less then yeah you’re up a creek.
Usually the most judgmental people are so called"musicians" of others can't even play close to the level of these individuals.