Is Carbon Fiber Worth It? | The Build Sheet
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Whether you track it, race it, or show it, carbon fiber seems to find its way on to all different types of vehicles. From Chevy’s to Bugattis, OEM or custom, the options are endless. Today Gels talks about everything from how carbon fiber is made to the benefits and cons of having it. Do you have any carbon fiber parts on your car? Drop a comment down below!
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Bought a gym membership instead of carbon fiber because it was cheaper 💀
Dont forget to take a shit and make your self throw up. No eating before every race day help. And dont wear clothing. And if you haven't done it get your wisdom teeth removed bc those aren't needed
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Stage 3 weight reduction
@@mrfunatparties6763 remove a kidney, gallbladder and appendix, wait... Just remove unneeded organs. They just raise the weight up
@@t1995roger10 boom even better
As Gels mentioned, CF is very light and strong. Please keep in mind that most aftermarket CF parts are covered fiberglass. For example, every so-called carbon fiber hood for an Evo VIII/IX weighs more than the stock aluminum hood at less than 20lbs. There was one dry fiber hood that was available for the platform for a short time. Custom order. It weighed 6lbs and cost quite a bit. CF wraps are no different than plastidip. CF accessories fall into the same class. Don't be that guy. :)
Felix F can you please enlighten me, whats the difference between carbon fiber wrap and the one made by car manufacturer ? What i meant by wrap is, the shop apply carbon fiber sheet on top of a mould. Not the vinyl wrap.
I tried to google and read through forums, but could not find any answer. Thanks in advance
@@MegaCibai the manufacturer will use carbon fiber all the way through. The aftermarket to keep costs down will use a layer of carbon on top and bottom to give it the look, but none of the benefits. Can still be marketed as carbon fiber so the profit margin is pretty large.
@@NatoriousGamePlay what type of mould do manufacturer use ?
A roof part from a so called 'carbon fiber shop' wrap in carbon fiber i saw have the weave pattern on top, but no pattern on the bottom part. I wanna find out because the shop advertised it as 'carbon fiber part' and not 'wrap with carbon fiber sheet'
sorry if you cant understand what i meant
@@MegaCibai so the top layer is genuine carbon fiber. But a real carbon fiber part is made entirely of carbon fiber. Most places sell fiberglass parts, with a layer of carbon on top.
It's almost impossible to tell without buying it. Best thing to do is look at shipping weight if that's available. A true carbon part should be only a few pounds (a carbon hood is like 6 pounds). Forums usually talk about if it's genuine or not
@@NatoriousGamePlay well that confirm what ive always suspected. A single carbon fibre sheet layered on top of fiberglass, bonded using wet lay up. Since theres no autoclave as far as i know here. Just my observation of course
The price of the mentioned carbon fibre layered roof is around 1000bucks based on where i am from. pretty expensive i must say
Next question, is rust worth it for weight reduction
No body:
koenigsegg: builds entire car out of carbon fiber
I think for a daily driver, a carbon fiber stock shaped or vented hood and a small wing spoiler are enough to give the car some flare and make it stand out without it looking too ridiculous. Once you get to the carbon fiber doors, fenders, body kits, etc, then it gets expensive not only cuz they're expensive in and of themselves but also cuz carbon fiber is a lot more expensive to paint if you decide to paint those body panels. For what it would cost to paint all those panels, you could get the car wrapped with a really cool design.
I love carbon fiber. I fanboy over it everytime I see it in person
As working in the Aerospace industry it has lost some “wow factor” for me but I do love the look of a satin 2x2 weave which looks amazing. You do have to watch for delamination when working/using it. It is still amazing to me that it has such a strength to weight ratio. I have been debating making some smaller trim pieces for my car but we’ll see how it turns out.
My thoughts on carbon fiber: It's practical and looks badass
I’m already skinny as crap so I can’t lose any more weight. I can save over 400 pounds with carbon fiber tho.
Yes it’s worth it.
Just replace your bones with carbon fiber
FI: first car to use carbon fiber Bugatti EB110
Ferrari: eehhhmmmmm F40
Ferrari: Carbon Fiber and Kevlar, thank you
On my way to Autozone for some of that sweet fake CF wrap 👍
wardkdouglas cringe
The answer is a resounding no. I have it inside and out on almost the entirety of my foRS and I regret every piece. The weight savings was negligible, the cost was astronomically, fitment isnt always perfect, and it gets damaged SO EASILY. And it shows damage 100x worse than painted panels. Rocks beat the hell out of it and it looks like absolute trash unless your constantly sanding, and reapplying resin and clear.
I mean thank you for being brutally honest 🤷♂️😂
@@FitmentIndustries wouldnt recommend it to anyone unless A: its a 100% trailored track car that needs every ounce shaved. Or B: its a garage queen thats driven 10 ft a year too and from car show to car show. If you daily a CF covered car, it takes less than 6 months of highway driving for it to look like someone sandblasted it with gravel.
Do a this or that episode with the gallery (car vs car) which car would you pick
You guys should a "So you want a Del Sol". I feel like they're a hidden gem. 🖤
300ZX may have taken the headlights, but we can all agree that this is completely 100% okay because unlike the Bugatti the result is gorgeous. The EB just my eyes hurt okay
The vast majority of what you see on cars isn’t true carbon fiber and most likely weights more than the part it replaces 😧😖😧
Is this true with seibon carbon fiber or are they genuine?
Lmao!!!!
Gamers Lust I can confirm they are genuine lol. Just bought some fender ducts
@@gates762x6 first you ask, then you confined ... I’m confused 😆
frederickcook87 well I asked because I was looking at buying some seibon products, then I just sent it and bought them and now I can answer my own question lol
Cardboard fiber sounds like a good deal xd
Its a steal let me tell you what! 😂
Reading the comments - exactly why you buy real CF(if you're getting any at all). Love the way it dazzles in the sunlight.
Realistically, CF is for the people trying to shave 10ths off their lap times. It's not for looking cool or trying to save weight on your daily driver.
CF and sunlight is not really good match.
The CF will survive, but the resin won't last years under sunlight.
@@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf perfect for garage queens then!
@@SupraSav Indeed
"rockets"
*spaceshuttle*
hmmm
That Bugatti-300zx comparison was a personal attack to my z32 :(
Let’s not compare aftermarket “cf” hoods to actual cf used by mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. that’s like comparing microwave spaghetti undercooked by a 6 yr old to Michelin 3 star restaurant food
Usually cracks in CF is down to material science. About 90% of "CF hoods" on the market aren't CF, they are fiberglass hoods with a carbon fiber skin. Fiberglass has a higher expansion/contraction rate than carbon fiber. What happens when you laminate 2 different materials with different exp/con rates? It flexes and bows, fibers (carbon) breaks and the resin becomes stressed and eventually cracks.
There are also different ways of "curing" resin. There is chemical curing, where you mix a catalyst to cure a resin, UV cure process, and then there is the autoclave process, where an autoclave is used (basically a vacuum chamber oven) to cure the resin with heat. There are different types of fiberglass that are lighter and stronger than carbon fiber, but carbon fiber is more thermally stable (using the autoclave process).
Issues with hazing and sometimes cracking, has to do with the cure process. UV light in these cases, is continuing to cure the resin, making it over-cured, unless an UV protectant (I don't think that's a word, but oh well) coat is applied
Normally done because a FULL CF piece is alot more than just a layer
Good post. Thanks.
@@pwnzlikeme normally done because it's cheaper along with the resin process involved. Vacuum bagging and chem/uv curing a piece, doesn't require a $50,000+ autoclave. But then the resin isn't thermally stable. There is a reason why plane parts and high stress parts require thermal setting.
A fiberglass part with a carbon fiber skin, doesn't mean it's carbon fiber. If anything, it's weaker, because of the points I said previously
Are widebody kits worth it?
Next vid opinion
No
Stock body master race
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It's totally worth it, they aren't even that expensive.
Shopping CF parts for Corvette and today came to the conclusion that I will go with CF for hood, spoiler, halo, and diffuser; but due to crappy roads where I live, I will go with painted or wrapped FG splitter and side skirts, due to cost savings and ease of repair from inevitable damage.
I bought a pretty expensive carbon fiber hood for my Camaro and it looked good out of the box. I went to the body shop today looked at it for a bit and told them to take it off. i could see the waves in the hood ever so slight but they were there. I'm sure you can get an awesome looking hood but I would recommend putting yourself in a situation where you can look at it closely for waves and other imperfections. If you have an awesome car and the hood is not perfect it will stick out like a sore thumb. At least for me. No more carbon fiber.
I would add that true carbon fiber has a heat benefit as well. When you look at intakes truly had of CF, the air temperatures they achieve are always lower than their metal and plastic counterparts.
I does make me sad that most CF parts you see online are fiberglass+CF wrap+clear coat. I wonder if it is purely cost prohibitive or some other factor that leads to this.
Pure carbon fibre will need autoclave (high pressure oven) which is not cheap. Also with bigger parts like car hood you need vacuum infusion of which the consumables (vacuum bag and tape) is not cheap and PITA.
With just wrapping, you coat the resin by hand and dry at room temperature.
i love that bmw that u guys used for the thumbnail
w_wyrick on Instagram.
I can remove and install all my carbon fiber exterior panels without any help. I kept all my factory pieces to swap out for harsher weather conditions and to persevere and treat the CF parts when not installed. Plus, the CF parts can be painted. These are a plus worth mentioning in my opinion.
Take for exampel an Evo 9... get all Pannels and Parts you can in Carbon Fiber, you successfully created a Spaceship Wagon.
😂😂 being evo 9 owner I think it's funny 😂🔥👌
Graphene is probably the future you speak of in terms of materials replacing carbon fiber. It's insanely strong, I think 20x stronger than steel and literally lighter than paper.
3:09 it’s the other way around. Bugatti used the exact same headlights from Nissan. In fact if you removed the trim you’ll see Nissan written on the headlight plastic.
Definatly worth it IMO i bought my first carbon fiber part for my 13 wrx hatch bought a all carbon finer drive shaft it is rated for up to 800 hp and i can remebr the torq but its waay lighter than the oem with carrier baring its a one peice love it🤓🤩
YaY pics and videos of what they talk about..good job guys!
IMO I would only get a carbon fiber hood, "Seibon" sells some very nice carbon fiber parts, right now you can get a OEM styled carbon fiber hood for your: 2013-2019 SCION FRS / TOYOTA 86 / SUBARU BRZ, for only $860USD which I feel is a great deal!
How about weight savings in gas for every day drivers ? .. That's what i tred to tell wife about spending that $ on carbonfiber parts.
Cutting the weight of the car improves every aspect of the car.
Fitment industries font and color on your shirt reminds me of GTA Vice City. Damn.. I feel old bruh.
Its taken from nav and metro boomin's perfect timing album
Although you are close I am not a fan of Nav at all so I just can't use that as inspiration.. 😅 Ask Max we just had this talk today I said I can't stand Nav 😰 -Erik
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I think the perfect balance for the average joe is small bits of Carbon around the car. Nothing absurd like Carbon Fiber wheels or body kits. Maybe mirrors in Carbon, interior dashboard, canards, wing, etc. The furthest I'd go is a Carbon Fiber hood but even that is something I have no intention of doing as it's a bit much imo. Small bits are the sweet spot for me!
Is no one gonna appreciate this man for the nfs ug 2 reference?
I saw that smirk right after he said “monocoque”😂
😉😂
Would be cool to see a video on 90s car trends like Carbon Fiber, Carbon Kevlar, Sparco Hood Pins, Beaks Tie Bars, Custom Cusco Lower Control Arms, Subway Tow Hooks, etc.
99 percent of "carbon fiber" company car parts are all LOOKS! So your seibon cf hood is mostly fiberglass.
It is basically all fiberglass with one layer of cf on top.(not strong) an all Carbon hood would probably run you 700$ just in material.
How to tell if your part if it's all Carbon? Look behind, if it doesn't have cf pattern it's fiberglass.
Car Hood will probably require 2 meter square of CF. Now, you need to 8 layers (4 for outside parts, 4 for the inner parts). Price for 1 meter square of CF (non aerospace grade) is $12.5. 2*8*12.5 is $200 plus $30 of consumables.
As any good pricing strategy, material is 25% of retail price. Hence at $230/0.25 is $920.
@@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf facts, plus vaccum, infusion resin, materials.
not worth having a carbon fiber lip with a slammed static car and you’re going to regret it when you hit something on the freeway and your lip breaks
dripcoupe word. Thats why reps lip are ok. You change it every month lol.
Might wanna clarify that strength issue, S Glass would like a word with you. Secondly folks need to learn the difference between strength and STIFFNESS
wowwowowowowow, ZX stole? The headlights on the EB110 say Nissan on them. Google it ;)
Yeah lol the diablo stole them as well from nissan. I don't really care though tbh, they look really neat
I love me some carbono fiber
I love carbcarbon fiber. But if you dont really take care of the clear coat, it will fade😟
The Nissan Z32 300ZX was introduced in February 1989 as a 1990 model. The Bugatti EB110 was introduced in 1991, so how do you explain how the EB110 stole the 300ZX's headlights? You got your facts reversed. The updated Lamborghini Diablo actually used the Z32 300ZX's headlights under license for their 1999 and later Diablos. Lamborghini simply covered the Nissan logos with strips of carbon fiber.
It's nice, but of you go all out (besides doors and fenders and such) even cheap Cf is gonna be 3 grand just for hood,trunk,and bottom trim pieces
Carbon fiber, is awesome as long as it is done tastefully. I believe in looking good as well as being functional. I know people just slap carbon fiber on as much stuff as they can lol. Full body carbon cars are sexy as hell.
Yes it is. If you need it. Imo if you need the weight drop then yes but most people are just doing it for rep not for function but if you drive hard then you will thank your self went your fiberglass cracks so. If you stance your car. No it's not. If you race it then yes it is.
Graphene up next 😂
Can u guys do a video on carbon fibre wheels
Carbon-fiber hood? Yes. But spoilers, canards, and other small/light weight pieces aren't worth it.
But they look so good tho! As long as its not overdone at least
@@exzaviorw but why spend so much extra $$$ when you could get a fiberglass or ABS spoiler/canard for a fraction of the price, essentially the same weight, and just wrap it in CF vinyl?
@@epicraptorman have you ever seen cf wrap by real cf?
@@leeharvey9006 yes my hood is Carbon Fiber and is made by VIS. And tbh if I didn't have vents in the hood most ppl wouldn't recognize it as real CF unless they weighed it.
Fake cf wrap drastically emphasizes the characteristics of real carbon fiber.
It's called hyperrealism.
How about "Carbon Kevlar"?
Take care,
🤓 -Thomas
Western Washington State
Just a small correction. The Z32’s final design was approved in 86 the EB110 started design work in 89 also Nissan Z32 headlights are actually used on the diablo no less.
I'm buying a carbon fiber hood for my focus sel so I don't have to spend money painting a hood. It's gorgeous anyway
So we not going to talk about how that outro instrumental slaps !? 👀ok
*adds carbon fiber wrap*
😂
I would love to have a full carbon fiber exterior body on my 2015 Scion xB.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Why do I feel like the 2000’s car scene is coming back??
MONEYHOESCARSANDCLOTHES😂
Correct me if I’m wrong , but does the carbon fiber change colors for a certain amount of time ? Especially in a really hot sun?
Yes it will fade to a yellowish sheen unless you spend a shitton on clearcoating haha
Hey guys, one correction, but I'm pretty sure the first carbon monocoque was used in the mclaren mp4/4 in f1 racing, so mclaren didn't steal the idea from Bugatti
Maybe next we'll have carbon nanotube car parts.
I remember making that m3 on nfs(2015), te37's and ofc carbon fiber
That exit sign is huanting me 👻
Carbon is good and all until it starts to crack or the clear starts to fade....but I do think it’s worth it on a full racecar when it’s on a showcar why even worry about weight reduction.
I have a fiberglass 06-09 Cadillac STS V hood on my car. I was surprised it weighed so much more and was so much thicker then the steel hood that was on the car.
I'm here!
cf for the win!
You can find some very light carbon fiber parts not only CF , surely not strong as carbon used in racing but still functional. I have rear spoiler on M3 and front spliter both light as feather but I wouldn't hit it with hamer that's for sure .
Question is do you need it at all , I got it just because it looks cool with factory carbon roof .
It’s nice until it cracks and shatters on impact that would have done little but scratch a plastic version of it.
I love it but not on my daily that lives on the highway 😭
Such a rip moment when it happens 😅
The 1990 Jaguar XJR 15 was the first full carbon car. Not the bugatti.
So has anyone heard of carbon roof for an NC Miata with the retractable hard top?
This might come in handy for relocating engine in the boot by reducing the strain on the rear axle via weight reduction parts
Personally i feel if you're doing carbon for esthetics they i say just go for carbon wrap. And if for weight reduction yoy best go the whole 9yards and might aswell diet too loool u know what they say.. Weight reduction starts at home lol full race mode
Even the best carbon vinyl doesnt look the same. It's all personal preference. I've had carbon vinyl wrapped parts and ended up buying real carbon because it looks so much better.
@@brainbenton1270 thanks for you insight. Yea dude i guess its all personal preference. I was probably thinking in a cost effective mannor. However if you've got the money goo for it.
not worth it for street use .....unless you have a heavy stock trunk or hood then i can see the use .carbon on your stance build ? sorry but u jus got money
The Ferrari F40 was the first car to be made out of carbon...
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Have an 06 mustang as my first car and when i bought it the hood was so bad i just replaced it with a carbon fiber hood because repainting it would be the same price as getting the cf one
If you want the look you could just wrap with the carbon fiber look I don't know if the price matches up or is cheaper then just getting the carbon fiber. The s2000 I have is wrapped but I bought the car after the car was done.
Make a video
So you want a lexus ls400
Carbon fiber imo is ugly, but that may be because I cant afford it lolol
Carbon fiber interior parts is definitely worth it last longer lol
Where can I get real carbon fiber
You need to do more homework. How can McLaren as you say copy Bugatti with a CF monocoque in the F1 in the 1990's when McLaren was the first company to make a CF monocoque in the first pace? You totally skipped over the John Barnard designed McLaren MP4/1/2/2B/3/4. The MP4/1 was the first F1 car campaigned in 1981 which lead to the MP4\4 arguably the best F1 car ever (I think its the Patrick Head FW15C! FTW!!) yes with a CF monocoque in 1984. Vast majority of our car technology comes from Formula 1 including CF!
GOOD STUFF!
Lamborghini Diablo used the Nissan 300 zx headlights not that Bugatti….
Carbon fiber wrap 👀
I have a 2011 g37s manual coupe and I would like to know where I could get real carbon fiber parts to replace the OEM parts? I have been looking but the only ones I have found are covers to put on top of the OEM parts. I am looking for real carbon fiber parts.
Isnt also one of the downsides with carbon fiber parts is water can get baked under the layer?
I would love to send you a picture of my RSX it has hood hatch doors seats from seibon and I love it definitely a difference
How do I send pics
Gels the type of dude to suck toes for a pop tart
EWWWWWW 😂😂😂
Still waiting for a Crown Vic carbon fiber hood
I'm getting one for my coyote swapped new edge mustang and I'm thinking about getting a wrx wagon if I do fenders bumper and hood will be because it looks awesome
Nice!
Yea I remember they made a car nothing but carbon fiber it was a few million I think.
Okay, what If I want a carbon fiber body panel or hood or what ever, but I dont like the look of it its just ehh not my style and doesnt fit my car. Can I wrap the carbon fiber afterwards? I want the weight reduction of the carbon fiber with out the look
You can get it wrapped or painted over to match your exterior color.