@CurtHowland - I guess I didn't blink when she said that because I believe that is what we have been living through with the huge financial crisis all over the world. Instead of saying capitalism is broken and exploring what might be a better, we throw good money after bad to keep those in power and who contributed to the broken system still running the show. It is like driving an old car that has never run well and has exceeded its life expectancy & spending exorbitant monies to keep it going.
Hm. Like the speaker, she seems to be very candid. Find myself inclined to agree with what she has to say. I suddenly feel quite lucky that in the small things, I actually enjoy choosing between 16 flavours of jams, or 27 different variations of spice combinations in a curry ... and in the large things I feel grateful that I do a lot of thinking before hand.
I would gladly watch few more hours of this ideology-toppling topic. And also, I would probably not be a college dropout if professors were like Renata. Ex-Yu excellence.
@RCLibra "You didn't think that the homeowners taking 20% interest mortgages could pay them?" I knew they could not, because I knew it was a false boom. That's why I didn't get such a loan. "That banks thought they could sell bad loans to consumers and then pass off the crap to investors?" Isn't that EXACTLY what happened? Except that the Fed and SEC were pressuring mortgage lenders to make those loans, and Fanny/Freddie were buying them up.
Choice is also an idea that support Ego that the mind thinks I am special, I have (apparent) Power i can "choose" I satisfy my "wants". I want to experience this/that. Instead of doing what is Best for All, for everyone for the whole Earth, nature and animals. Asking: What I can do to Benefit/Achieve Best for All so I as part of all can benefit from this decision too, that I will be taken care of too. Choice only satisfy those that have money so they can have 'Choice'.
@slightlymooshed - It is an effect which is witnessed in people who are in very stressful situations, such as activists in china in the 70's, feeling that they must speak out, and having less hesitation to do so. V for Vendetta illustrates it as well. It seems to mostly occur for people who are under great pressure, thus is being a temporary release not to decide. It is however suggestive of a greater stresser, implying an unhealthy life. It also sounds like easy pickings for fundamentalists. :(
Check out Krishnamurti - he asks us to understand that there is no freedom in 'choice' - meaning - when we have 'no choice' we act without hesitation... in this there is a certain freedom. Check it out for your self...
@CurtHowland, nicely put. I said something similar to a friend when I was trying to explain the problem with this line of reasoning. I recently stumbled upon these RSA videos. It's amazing that these people seem to think their ideology makes sense of the real world, and that capitalism is some sort of monster that we don't really understand. These are typical academic elitists who can't stand criticism.
Yet i think the reason self-importance often doesn't do what's good for all and all life on this planet is because of the values a person is raised with....
@myiuer But the way we think, our ideas about things, determine our actions, thats the point with sharing ideas. Of course it hasn't direct impact, and may be it is not going to help imidiately a person who suffers from what she describes (which I think nowdays everybody does) but it can help us to understand things, to recognice where we are, to change the perspective,...
I can really relate to this! I think she is onto something, but I'm not sure socialism is a "cure" though. I don't want to loose the ability to choose. For me choice can be like offering a really powerful car to an inexperienced driver, you know you want it even if you can't handle it.
@dracir11 In 1992 several Russian scientists came to where I was working in California. . To the day they left two weeks later, they were CONVINCED that it was all a setup, that store shelves could not possibly be full everywhere, all the time. . They simply could not deal with it. They pulled back and going to the same places and eating the same things the entire two weeks, to keep their sanity.
@myiuer You don't need to apologize. I'm curious, I just discover Renata and for me she is quite honest, she doesn't make to me a bad impression, why do you find her dishonest, or is something you couldn't explain...
For choices to exist, do we consider What happens to the workers that need to work triple working hours each day, just to fulfill the rich class's yearning for 'choices'? Choice is also a byproduct of Competition -- which stems from Greediness. Equal Money System brings forth Heaven on earth and everyone's basic necessities will be taken care of. Isn't it Commonsense that if one fear losing that little pension/salary that one should do something about the current greediness based system?
@RCLibra One more thing. Imagine the word "bailout", who was it who got bailed out? Individuals who had gotten the loans? No. Investors who through they were buying good stocks? No. Big banks got bailed out, because it was the big banks who are able to screw with the interest rates to make over-investment in long term projects, like HOUSES, seem like a good idea when they're not. Do a search for "housing bubble" on Mises. org and see how far back the Austrians were warning people about it. 2003!
You have the choice only When no Matter what you décide you will not endure pression . But will be support . It’s why the war of social classes stay the first real Battle to stand for. There is no feminism When only wo ´men who come from a certain type of family with money could be Elected or rencognize.
@RCLibra "I don't agree with Marx's solutions, but his writings are important in pointing out the flaws in capitalism" Marx's condemnations and identification of very real problems had nothing to do with private ownership of the means of production. What Marx identified were the failings of Merchantilism, of Corporate/Govt partnerships. To then assert that to solve the problems caused by govt intervention in markets can only be solved by completely eliminating markets is why Marxism fails.
@BenNCM I like that: Primate. Yes, I am. I think the science is moving that evolutionarily that we are hunter gathers still. How women perceive the world is different than how men perceive it. We look at the primitive pejoratively when we aren't doing such a great job ourselves. Read Debois SO HUMAN AN ANIMAL. Going back to her lecture, the problem isn't so many choices as much as how one goes about the making choices and creating outcomes.
@myiuer why do you think he likes money so much? she dresses normally...but I unduerstand what you mean (even i don't sii it in this example), it happens all the time. But even the person don't follw his or her own message it could have meaning. If someone gives me the key to some topic doesn't it has value if sje don't act accordingly?
Wow...thank you for opening my eyes. I wish I lived in a socialist country where the problem of choice didn't cause great stress and anxiety. I would much prefer poor economic conditions and lack of freedom....no anxiety there
A lots of choice = making the attempt to satisfy yourself. pros: you are in control. cons, you may never be able to satisfy yourself. Little choice = allow another entity (society, parents, peer group) to guide you to satisfaction. Pros: less stress from choosing, have someone to blame for failures to satisfy. Cons: you know best what you want. Life is all about choices, choosing which way you'll live from the 2 ways above is even a choice in it self.
@RCLibra "And please don't call the institution of central banks "Marxist"." Oh? Communist Manifesto, plank 5: "Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly." Maybe you don't realize that Keynes was a thorough Socialist.
This maybe a sexist view but isn't the problem of choice and anxiety largely a woman thing? With most men, the make a decision it works or it doesn't work. If it works they go with it and if it doesn't they make changes according. Stuff happens. The decision making for women seems to be much more complicated and omnifocused. If they make a "bad" decision, they will review it for the rest of their lives. Even that outcome requires more consideration.
@RCLibra Actually, I condemn all Socialist and Communist ideas because they don't work. They never have. Such collective control requires coercion to exist. That means some rule while others get ruled. I prefer individual liberty and individual responsibility. It is the only consistent conclusion that can be arrived at when one first assumes that coercion is wrong. If coercion is "right", then it's just might makes right and the war of all against all.
And this my dear friends is how liberals think. We have too many choices, we need to be told what to do? By whom you may ask... the government of course. Nutter.
I think what she is promoting is a level of choice at the collective level which is good for the society in general, the opposite of what happens in America, which appears to promote individual choice but creates huge inequality, ignorance of environmental issues and divides peoples, promotes war. Perhaps this conscious choice for the benefit of the people generally is shown in Scandinavea or Iceland where the governments are more truly representatives of the people and in real terms provide the best standards of living, healthcare, environment, education.
I thought I was in love with Zizek, but now I realize I'm in love with Slovenian philosophers
Had the same thought lol
Peut-être parce qu’ils résistent aux forces obscures de la bien-pensance .
@CurtHowland - I guess I didn't blink when she said that because I believe that is what we have been living through with the huge financial crisis all over the world. Instead of saying capitalism is broken and exploring what might be a better, we throw good money after bad to keep those in power and who contributed to the broken system still running the show. It is like driving an old car that has never run well and has exceeded its life expectancy & spending exorbitant monies to keep it going.
Hm. Like the speaker, she seems to be very candid.
Find myself inclined to agree with what she has to say.
I suddenly feel quite lucky that in the small things, I actually enjoy choosing between 16 flavours of jams, or 27 different variations of spice combinations in a curry ... and in the large things I feel grateful that I do a lot of thinking before hand.
I would gladly watch few more hours of this ideology-toppling topic. And also, I would probably not be a college dropout if professors were like Renata. Ex-Yu excellence.
it use to be long long ago in our history that a persons goals in life first were self important, yet in a way that would help all..
@RCLibra "You didn't think that the homeowners taking 20% interest mortgages could pay them?"
I knew they could not, because I knew it was a false boom. That's why I didn't get such a loan.
"That banks thought they could sell bad loans to consumers and then pass off the crap to investors?"
Isn't that EXACTLY what happened?
Except that the Fed and SEC were pressuring mortgage lenders to make those loans, and Fanny/Freddie were buying them up.
Choice is also an idea that support Ego that the mind thinks I am special, I have (apparent) Power i can "choose" I satisfy my "wants". I want to experience this/that.
Instead of doing what is Best for All, for everyone for the whole Earth, nature and animals.
Asking: What I can do to Benefit/Achieve Best for All so I as part of all can benefit from this decision too, that I will be taken care of too.
Choice only satisfy those that have money so they can have 'Choice'.
@slightlymooshed - It is an effect which is witnessed in people who are in very stressful situations, such as activists in china in the 70's, feeling that they must speak out, and having less hesitation to do so.
V for Vendetta illustrates it as well.
It seems to mostly occur for people who are under great pressure, thus is being a temporary release not to decide. It is however suggestive of a greater stresser, implying an unhealthy life.
It also sounds like easy pickings for fundamentalists. :(
27:30 There's a lot of talk about psychotics and neurotics but we rarely hear the discussion of the perverted subject alongside them.
The answer is in the video, my friend.
I know very well, but nevertheless.... A belief in the belief that one should look "nice" for public lectures.
Check out Krishnamurti - he asks us to understand that there is no freedom in 'choice' - meaning - when we have 'no choice' we act without hesitation... in this there is a certain freedom. Check it out for your self...
@CurtHowland, nicely put. I said something similar to a friend when I was trying to explain the problem with this line of reasoning. I recently stumbled upon these RSA videos. It's amazing that these people seem to think their ideology makes sense of the real world, and that capitalism is some sort of monster that we don't really understand. These are typical academic elitists who can't stand criticism.
Yet i think the reason self-importance often doesn't do what's good for all and all life on this planet is because of the values a person is raised with....
@myiuer But the way we think, our ideas about things, determine our actions, thats the point with sharing ideas. Of course it hasn't direct impact, and may be it is not going to help imidiately a person who suffers from what she describes (which I think nowdays everybody does) but it can help us to understand things, to recognice where we are, to change the perspective,...
I can really relate to this! I think she is onto something, but I'm not sure socialism is a "cure" though. I don't want to loose the ability to choose. For me choice can be like offering a really powerful car to an inexperienced driver, you know you want it even if you can't handle it.
Not everyone will choose that ...
It dépend the Level of evolution of the person.
@dracir11 In 1992 several Russian scientists came to where I was working in California.
.
To the day they left two weeks later, they were CONVINCED that it was all a setup, that store shelves could not possibly be full everywhere, all the time.
.
They simply could not deal with it. They pulled back and going to the same places and eating the same things the entire two weeks, to keep their sanity.
@myiuer You don't need to apologize. I'm curious, I just discover Renata and for me she is quite honest, she doesn't make to me a bad impression, why do you find her dishonest, or is something you couldn't explain...
I love how she made the choice to make this lecture about not making choices.
For choices to exist, do we consider What happens to the workers that need to work triple working hours each day, just to fulfill the rich class's yearning for 'choices'?
Choice is also a byproduct of Competition -- which stems from Greediness.
Equal Money System brings forth Heaven on earth and everyone's basic necessities will be taken care of.
Isn't it Commonsense that if one fear losing that little pension/salary that one should do something about the current greediness based system?
@RCLibra One more thing. Imagine the word "bailout", who was it who got bailed out?
Individuals who had gotten the loans? No.
Investors who through they were buying good stocks? No.
Big banks got bailed out, because it was the big banks who are able to screw with the interest rates to make over-investment in long term projects, like HOUSES, seem like a good idea when they're not.
Do a search for "housing bubble" on Mises. org and see how far back the Austrians were warning people about it. 2003!
"I would prefer not to" -Bartleby
I didn't choose to second post.
You commentors who just keep posting consecutive comments when no one responds are weird. Why don't you give yourself time to think through an idea.
You have the choice only When no Matter what you décide you will not endure pression . But will be support .
It’s why the war of social classes stay the first real Battle to stand for.
There is no feminism When only wo ´men who come from a certain type of family with money could be Elected or rencognize.
Oh, she is Slovene! :)
@RCLibra "I don't agree with Marx's solutions, but his writings are important in pointing out the flaws in capitalism"
Marx's condemnations and identification of very real problems had nothing to do with private ownership of the means of production.
What Marx identified were the failings of Merchantilism, of Corporate/Govt partnerships.
To then assert that to solve the problems caused by govt intervention in markets can only be solved by completely eliminating markets is why Marxism fails.
@BenNCM I like that: Primate. Yes, I am. I think the science is moving that evolutionarily that we are hunter gathers still. How women perceive the world is different than how men perceive it. We look at the primitive pejoratively when we aren't doing such a great job ourselves. Read Debois SO HUMAN AN ANIMAL.
Going back to her lecture, the problem isn't so many choices as much as how one goes about the making choices and creating outcomes.
@myiuer why do you think he likes money so much? she dresses normally...but I unduerstand what you mean (even i don't sii it in this example), it happens all the time. But even the person don't follw his or her own message it could have meaning. If someone gives me the key to some topic doesn't it has value if sje don't act accordingly?
@myiuer I'm 29, also european, spanish. May be we can... :)
Wow...thank you for opening my eyes. I wish I lived in a socialist country where the problem of choice didn't cause great stress and anxiety. I would much prefer poor economic conditions and lack of freedom....no anxiety there
A lots of choice = making the attempt to satisfy yourself. pros: you are in control. cons, you may never be able to satisfy yourself.
Little choice = allow another entity (society, parents, peer group) to guide you to satisfaction. Pros: less stress from choosing, have someone to blame for failures to satisfy. Cons: you know best what you want.
Life is all about choices, choosing which way you'll live from the 2 ways above is even a choice in it self.
@RCLibra "And please don't call the institution of central banks "Marxist"."
Oh?
Communist Manifesto, plank 5:
"Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."
Maybe you don't realize that Keynes was a thorough Socialist.
This maybe a sexist view but isn't the problem of choice and anxiety largely a woman thing? With most men, the make a decision it works or it doesn't work. If it works they go with it and if it doesn't they make changes according. Stuff happens. The decision making for women seems to be much more complicated and omnifocused. If they make a "bad" decision, they will review it for the rest of their lives. Even that outcome requires more consideration.
@CurtHowland Freudian slip
@RCLibra Actually, I condemn all Socialist and Communist ideas because they don't work. They never have.
Such collective control requires coercion to exist. That means some rule while others get ruled.
I prefer individual liberty and individual responsibility. It is the only consistent conclusion that can be arrived at when one first assumes that coercion is wrong.
If coercion is "right", then it's just might makes right and the war of all against all.
At 4:54, did she really say, "when capitalism collapsed"?
.
Woops.
she looks so nervous speaking in public
She sounds like a female Slavoj Zizek.
she was hos wife I think.
And this my dear friends is how liberals think. We have too many choices, we need to be told what to do? By whom you may ask... the government of course.
Nutter.
I think what she is promoting is a level of choice at the collective level which is good for the society in general, the opposite of what happens in America, which appears to promote individual choice but creates huge inequality, ignorance of environmental issues and divides peoples, promotes war. Perhaps this conscious choice for the benefit of the people generally is shown in Scandinavea or Iceland where the governments are more truly representatives of the people and in real terms provide the best standards of living, healthcare, environment, education.