Renata Salecl: Our unhealthy obsession with choice

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024

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  • @jeanette1946
    @jeanette1946 10 лет назад +10

    this is probably the best TED talk i have heard up to this moment. a wonderful, wonderful talk full of food for thought.

  • @LaymansHypothesis
    @LaymansHypothesis 10 лет назад +44

    Some commenters didn't hear what she said about universal healthcare. She pointed out that some people who don't have health insurance are still against universal healthcare because they want a choice. Yet they *have no choice* because they have no money. I'd rather have good universal healthcare (as here in Britain) than no healthcare (as for many in the US).

    • @anonymouse27
      @anonymouse27 8 лет назад +2

      +John Layman Some people care more about freedom than about their immediate self-interest being met by the coercion of others.

  • @heleen01
    @heleen01 10 лет назад +13

    I am baffled by the amount of ignorant comments on this video. She is not proposing communism nor a total reduction of choice. She is arguing for thinking beyond your own individual choices and realising how choice affects not only your own life but influences social, ecological, political and -perhaps most importantly- economical realities. I think this is a beautiful eloquent rephrasing of what I would call the deceit of ego-politics.

  • @ScienceRevolutionary
    @ScienceRevolutionary 10 лет назад +3

    I don't understand what point she is trying to make. Because having choices gives you anxiety you shouldn't take your choices seriously? Or you should only consider the greater social effects (which is

  • @freesk8
    @freesk8 10 лет назад +28

    Choice is stressful, but the alternative is a lack of choices... Do you want the central authorities to make the choices for you? That leads to even more stress and even less happiness. I'd rather have more choices than fewer at this stage of the game.

  • @melexdy
    @melexdy 10 лет назад +47

    We grow up without the liberty of choosing what we want and by the time we are and adults we already lost most of the sense of freedom.
    Add to that the education system that turns a simple mistake into your greatest fear and there u have it.
    We are taught to let others to make our decisions because its too risky for us.
    However those "others " are usually wrong and since they dont have to live with thοse mistakes they are irresponcible.
    Anyway what i really wanted to say is that We-are-free-ppl- with free will, we just forget it all the time.

    • @melexdy
      @melexdy 10 лет назад +17

      walperstyle
      A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
      Albert Einstein.

    • @rowebil00
      @rowebil00 10 лет назад +3

      walperstyle +rurounisld you guys are killing it with the good quotes! haha :)

    • @MrMadalien
      @MrMadalien 10 лет назад

      lol this comment section is a cesspool. *insert bad grammar, simplistic vocabulary and terrible spelling here*
      Stop saying "we". I'm not you. I have made choices, and I am happy with many of them, unsatisfied with the others. That is the nature of modern capitalism. You make it seem like you have no self esteem or drive. If you lack these qualities you fail in this society. That is the end of it. Either try hard or don't at all. :^)

    • @melexdy
      @melexdy 10 лет назад

      Lemon Tree Eng isnt my mother language.
      Well there is a large number of ppl that can relate to what i said.
      While ur teens teens years where u able to make most of the decisions that influenced ur life? Or was it someone else?
      I think u have the illusion that u made choises. U know the illusion of freedom.
      Whats the nature of modern capitalism?
      "If you lack these qualities you fail in this society" U mean that flawed society thats heading torward the cliffs?

    • @MrMadalien
      @MrMadalien 10 лет назад

      rurounisld It's a flawed society for the majority, yes. It just filters out the greater minds. If you are smart, strong or artistic, you make it. If not then you don't. It's the sad truth.
      I know that of course many choices were made for me. But my single mother was always supportive of me and didn't really force me in to anything.

  • @davidwhitonvose3324
    @davidwhitonvose3324 10 лет назад +10

    I am the smartest person I know, when I watch TED talks.

  • @gailvalidly246
    @gailvalidly246 10 лет назад +8

    I love her accent.

    • @evicaf4e
      @evicaf4e 5 лет назад +1

      She is from the same country as I am. Slovenia :) She is a profesor on universe.

  • @rh33dan
    @rh33dan 10 лет назад +5

    So much ignorance in the comments section. I suppose that's expected, but it's always a blow to what little hope I have left for the future of our species.
    I would be curious to know if any of the people calling this talk "Leftist/Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Fascist/Anti-Capitalist Propaganda" (and then going on to demonstrate they didn't understand the point Salecl was making) are from outside the US?

  • @rowebil00
    @rowebil00 10 лет назад +6

    It's a TED speech - it's an IDEA. Take it as that...
    You guys are taking this too seriously and turning it into a Political debate. Everyone in the comments act as if they were forced to watch this video, on 'CHOICE'.
    You have a choice to not watch the video. Take that into consideration before you leave a negative comment as if you had no choice but to watch the full video.

  • @danielmanahan692
    @danielmanahan692 10 лет назад +6

    This is not socialist propaganda but demonstrating that Quality choices vs Quantity choices, far better to have a limited set of choices which are good, or allowing others to choose for you where you are better off, than to be given a manipulated set of choices, all of them bad.
    example of that is our democracy where we vote for presidential candidates all of them bought off by corporations, all of them bad choices, yet we feel so free.
    I would rather have 2 candidates both of them great choices, than 3 or more, all of them bad.
    pick your favorite method for determining who is good who is bad, all that is relevant is that quantity choices is not better than quality choices even if fewer on the quality.

  • @liilianalopez1155
    @liilianalopez1155 10 лет назад +1

    She chose: "When making your choice in life, do not forget to live." Keep this in mind before you hit the thumbs down button because this really does offer some good advice.

  • @notesscrotes4360
    @notesscrotes4360 10 лет назад +9

    What she's saying isn't really groundbreaking. The idea that our modern idea of 'freedom' can lead to indecision, fear of regret, and an outcome where you feel ashamed of yourself no matter what choices you did make is one of the most overtread ideas in modern philosophy.
    What does kinda shock me, though, are the amount of people in the comments blowing this off as commie propaganda. It's like most people here didn't even stop to think about what she's saying. They just immediately assumed she was writing love letters to facism or communism. What's with that?

    • @anonymouse27
      @anonymouse27 8 лет назад

      +Note's Scrotes Just because something can cause anxiety or analysis paralysis doesn't mean that one should give up on it. Instead, learn how to make better decisions in an information-rich world. Yeah, but I know, that takes work and growth. *groan*

    • @superdeluxesmell
      @superdeluxesmell 5 лет назад

      If you’re looking for groundbreaking ideas or intelligent debate, I’m afraid the RUclips TEDtalks channel is the wrong place to be my friend.

  • @estefania5316
    @estefania5316 24 дня назад

    Interesantisimo!!!!!!!!!

  • @claradusk
    @claradusk 10 лет назад +1

    I had to suck in a deep, restraining breath at the title alone. “Unhealthy obsession with choice”? I mean _excuse me_? And then at the very start of the talk all I could think was, “man her accent is mildly annoying.” Not to be mean, but I just don’t care for it. Nothing personal.
    So I powered through… And I get what she is saying about Social criticism vs Self criticism. I can relate to this. For as long as I have been aware of it, and probably much longer than that, I have been heavily critical of myself and my life’s direction. I eventually found my way out of that rut though. To obsess over choosing, (not knocking the ability to choose) is silly. It may be my semi-poor demographic that influences this, but I try to choose from the heart and soul, and not from the mind, which is susceptible to the influences of others who don’t matter. The only ones who influence your heart and soul are the ones that matter, your spouse, children, close friends and family.
    Don’t stress about which haircut to get, which school to go to, or car to buy… Just research the facts, and choose from the heart what feels best.

  • @stevoplex
    @stevoplex 10 лет назад

    "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
    You can choose some phantom fears or kindness that can kill.
    I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose free will."
    - "Free Will" - a rock song by the band Rush.

  • @jnanamjasongan9060
    @jnanamjasongan9060 10 лет назад +5

    Choice seems to be an illusion in a two-party preferred political system. Whichever party wins the people's votes, we still lose.

  • @psikogeek
    @psikogeek 10 лет назад +4

    Those of you who are unable to handle choice should let me make your choices.
    My first command is for you to stop pestering me.

    • @psikogeek
      @psikogeek 10 лет назад +3

      My second command is for you to stop making choices for industry.

    • @psikogeek
      @psikogeek 10 лет назад +3

      My third command is for you to stop making governance choices by voting.

  • @Richie_Godsil
    @Richie_Godsil 10 лет назад +2

    An excellent insight, both for personal and social reflection

  • @5to22a
    @5to22a 10 лет назад +13

    You've done it again, RED TED. Capitalism is an idea worth spreading and a free market creates the awesomeness of variety which enables us to live better lives than the kings of old and the best you Socialists can come up with is that it might upset some people who STILL find a reason to complain.
    Libertarianism is the growing movement amongst the youth, TED, get with it or be surpassed by great ideas which your ideology prevents us from sharing.

  • @jnanamjasongan9060
    @jnanamjasongan9060 10 лет назад

    Choice and competitiveness (the fear of "missing out" on opportunity) increase price inflation, which is enabled and worsened by credit debt.

  • @mhtinla
    @mhtinla 10 лет назад +2

    I can understand her critique of our obsession with individual choices, and I can appreciate it. But jumping from individual choices straight to social changes? That's just cheap talk. Not to mention it will cause me even more anxiety and guilt than I already have with individual choices.

  • @josetula7716
    @josetula7716 10 лет назад

    Those who wish not have a choice are nothing more than sheeple who lack the inner strength to go forth and make one’s own future.

  • @MedEighty
    @MedEighty 10 лет назад +1

    Oh, the number of opportunities I have missed thanks to spending too much time on weighing my choices and worrying that I may make a mistake.

  • @ChrisSeltzer
    @ChrisSeltzer 10 лет назад +5

    I have literally no idea what point she was trying to make.

  • @badoocee1967
    @badoocee1967 10 лет назад

    More social changes as opposed to only changes for the self. Valid!

  • @georgecataloni4720
    @georgecataloni4720 10 лет назад +1

    This woman needs to grow up. Someone has to make the choices and that someone is the ruler of themselves; anyone who doesn't make choices for themselves is subservient, like a child.

  • @jaclynshawmsbisii3521
    @jaclynshawmsbisii3521 8 лет назад

    Brilliant

  • @tobiasschmitz3799
    @tobiasschmitz3799 10 лет назад

    "You don't make the right choice. You make A choice and then you make the choice right." ~ Elliott Hulse :-D

  • @ronmsimmons
    @ronmsimmons 10 лет назад +7

    Hint of Socialism in her choices??

  • @IndyThought
    @IndyThought 10 лет назад

    I can't say I got anything from her presentation, except that she thinks that since risk is attached to choice and people are naturally risk averse, that people should minimize or at least better prioritize their choices, which ironically enough is a choice in and of itself. I believe her argument that individual choice is different from societal choice is false given that it is the choices of many individuals that give birth to a seeming societal choice. I would also like to mention that an individual's choice can very clearly impact society when that individual chooses to lead by example, i.e. if they want societal change they speak out about it, volunteer, etc. I think to better understand her point I would like to hear what an ideal world to her would look like.

  • @UsernameNULL755
    @UsernameNULL755 10 лет назад +12

    shes right. capitalism makes us blame ourselves for not being rich which is a result of making bad choices in the past

    • @freesk8
      @freesk8 10 лет назад +6

      Yep, and the only thing worse than a free market is more government control...

    • @ShiroKage009
      @ShiroKage009 10 лет назад +3

      freesk8
      Completely unregulated markets descend into ordered monopolies. Regulation is crucial for a competitive market, which is what capitalism thrives upon.

    • @freesk8
      @freesk8 10 лет назад +11

      ShiroiKage009
      Most monopolies are maintainted by government force. Cable TV, water, sewer, garbage collection, land line phone, electricity, natural gas, ferries, roads... all government monopolies. Free markets need defense of property rights, but over-regulation is what big corps use to protect themselves unfairly from smaller competitors. They corrupt the politicians in the process.

    • @ShiroKage009
      @ShiroKage009 10 лет назад +1

      freesk8
      Over-anything is bad. Too much deregulation is bad, it brings on crap like a world-scale economical collapse and Microsoft being crazy, while too much regulation leads to ISP monopolies and mandatory use of a middle-man as in car dealerships.
      Also, for sewer, electricity, and other utilities, there's not a single way to trust the private sector with that. Ever. Electricity would have lagged behind so much if municipalities didn't leverage their bargaining power and/or operate their own networks.

    • @5to22a
      @5to22a 10 лет назад +6

      What are you talking about? Capitalism allows us to have a market that's free- that's all! If you feel inadequate, that's your problem, no one else wants a state to come along and impose your views on us.

  • @ThoseWhoStayUofM
    @ThoseWhoStayUofM 10 лет назад +8

    "The underside of this ideology has been an increase of anxiety, a feeling of guilt, feeling of being inadequate, feeling that we are failing in our choices. Sadly, this ideology of individual choice, has prevented us from thinking about social changes."
    No, perhaps it has produced these things in YOU because YOU are a self-criticizing and self-hating person. Anxiety is a result of poor thinking, not of too much choice. This woman is divisive and self-loathing and she is scapegoating freedom as the sole responsibility for her distress. I have no doubt that this woman was raised in an extremely oppressive environment from early childhood.
    We also observe these high levels of stress in men who have been released from long-term prison sentences. Therefore, according to this woman, everybody ought to be placed in prison to avoid, run from, escape the stresses that arise from a mind that is warped by oppression. Free your mind.

    • @StarSnowGhost
      @StarSnowGhost 10 лет назад

      You may be right, but she's not alone in these feelings. You clearly don't have anxiety to think she can just "free her mind" and make choices. Contrarily, she found a coping mechanism that is simply not to take her choices too seriously and allow herself freedom in the mountain of choices she perceives are there.

    • @ThoseWhoStayUofM
      @ThoseWhoStayUofM 10 лет назад

      ***** I'm sorry, you lost me. I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent person so I don't think it's a lack of reading comprehension on my part either. I just have no clue what your point is.

    • @liilianalopez1155
      @liilianalopez1155 10 лет назад

      Didn't she say... THE UNDERSIDE? She clearly disagrees with this thinking.

    • @ThoseWhoStayUofM
      @ThoseWhoStayUofM 10 лет назад

      Dulcinea del Tequendama I don't know what "the underside" means. I thought it meant that whatever is on "the underside" is something that is hidden but nevertheless exists.

    • @ThoseWhoStayUofM
      @ThoseWhoStayUofM 10 лет назад

      ***** stop

  • @chromanin
    @chromanin 10 лет назад

    I just love people who argue for shaping society to accommodate and encourage human deficiencies, as opposed to protecting the freedoms that allow us to flourish and develop a better nature. Aren't we less savage then we once were? If so, is the change down to coercive states knowing what is best for us, or the free exchange of ideas, new ways of thinking about each other (which eventually convinced the coercive states, so they're a little better now)? How can rewarding non-productiveness and mere obedience ever be a good thing? You want to incentivize intellectual laziness. Not sure why a philosopher would want to do that.

  • @Mastikator
    @Mastikator 10 лет назад

    I came to think video expecting I would hate what she's espousing, not disappointed.
    Choices will always have to be made, whether you are the one making them, if it's done by someone else then they can easily be irrational, done with less information available, done hastily to get it over with and done by someone who may not have your best interest at heart (such as a doctor prescribing a drug for you that he gets paid to prescribe, and you have no choice in the matter).

  • @Aristocles22
    @Aristocles22 10 лет назад

    Who needs choice? Let the state do all your thinking for you! -- said no free-thinking person ever.

  • @walterdennisclark
    @walterdennisclark 10 лет назад

    If you limit the choice of the consumer, choice will either not be made or it will be made by the provider. That will stifle all innovation, and not weed out production processes that have grown stale. So all decisions will end up being made by the government. By politics.
    Like Das Kapital, she identified all that's wrong with capitalism, but didn't describe how society functions without it. She and Marx just assume that socialism works. But the early followers of Marx didn't have historical examples of societies without customer choice. 70 years of communism has shown that a society without customer-choice doesn't work when organized by force. What the world has yet to learn is that government can't work without force and a society without customer choice can't work without government.

  • @mcdirtywork
    @mcdirtywork 10 лет назад +1

    If the speaker reeds any of these, let it be this. You asked quote, why would people with no health care not embrace some level of " universal health care"? This is the honest to god truth madam, because people like my girlfriend cannot afford 37 percent of their paycheck for this " Healthcare" 25 percent is what the average economist advises one spends for their mortgage, 25 percent of their entire income. We spend well over 50 percent of ours on rent. The problem is everyone thinks they're broke, the middle class all think they're poor, that what you all think they're middle class and so on. I suppose in that sense there really is no more middle class, because the true middle class are bitching that there before and the true rich or bitching that their middle class. I'm going to go, I'm getting physically ill.

  • @mykimikimiky
    @mykimikimiky 7 лет назад

    I like her dance philosophy. Blabbing while small dancing

  • @blackboombox
    @blackboombox 10 лет назад

    DEPENDS ON HOW YOU MITIGATE THE LOGIC OF CHOICE.

  • @Rumdreg
    @Rumdreg 10 лет назад +5

    The problem is not choice, is the hedonic treadmill.

    • @freesk8
      @freesk8 10 лет назад +5

      And the solution is not for government to restrict the number of choices, it is for us to discipline ourselves to get off the hedonic treadmill by ourselves.

    • @Rumdreg
      @Rumdreg 10 лет назад +2

      freesk8 Exactly

    • @francisckovacs5910
      @francisckovacs5910 10 лет назад +1

      freesk8 Exactly ! , in the end it still comes down to each and everyone of us

  • @TheRealAJSB1
    @TheRealAJSB1 10 лет назад

    I'm done complaining in the comments. Unsubscribed.

  • @MaZe741
    @MaZe741 10 лет назад

    she so sounds like Col. Santiago from Alpha Centauri

  • @Rimzy6
    @Rimzy6 10 лет назад

    Nothing new here, just highlighting the modern idea of 'freedom' leads to indecision and fear

  • @BlueBetaPro
    @BlueBetaPro 10 лет назад +6

    This woman existing makes people more anxious/nervous. She's spreading the propaganda of anxiousness. What a sad woman.

  • @r4inm4n90
    @r4inm4n90 10 лет назад +8

    RED IS BAD

  • @jackh5345
    @jackh5345 10 лет назад

    Choice is no obsession its the one freedom everyone is born with.

  • @huliod1749
    @huliod1749 6 лет назад

    I can't understood this speach because of pronunciation.

  • @yuothineyesasian
    @yuothineyesasian 10 лет назад +12

    Worst ted ever. She jusg spouted nonsense for 15 mins.

  • @Nvrloptimism
    @Nvrloptimism 10 лет назад

    Two words: Barry Schwartz

  • @Shoyebi
    @Shoyebi 10 лет назад +9

    Ha ha, "free will".

    • @kakashi76767
      @kakashi76767 10 лет назад +1

      You chose to type those words, correct?

    • @realmetatron
      @realmetatron 10 лет назад +4

      kakashi76767 No, that is an illusion.

    • @ClairityVideos
      @ClairityVideos 10 лет назад

      *****
      The illusion of free will is an illusion. So it's an illusion and it's not.

    • @realmetatron
      @realmetatron 10 лет назад +3

      eRiaL C
      So you are either a neuroscientist or physicist like myself and have the kind of expertise to talk about this, or is it, like always, just your wishes and emotions that are talking here? Which is it?

    • @gabrielsb3419
      @gabrielsb3419 10 лет назад

      ***** Yes, hide behind credentials. Imagine the disaster that anyone noticing your stupidity would be

  • @AndreiSamiir
    @AndreiSamiir 10 лет назад +33

    Oh, the amount of socialist ideas and arguments in this video made me vomit.

    • @freesk8
      @freesk8 10 лет назад +10

      Yep. Her socialist ideology is bologna.

    • @5to22a
      @5to22a 10 лет назад +9

      TED is such leftist propaganda

    • @richardrichardson1787
      @richardrichardson1787 10 лет назад

      Dark Day Ministries what is wrong with leftist thinking? Not communism, but centre left?

    • @5to22a
      @5to22a 10 лет назад +7

      Any imposition of the state which is not purely for the objective values of defending life, liberty and property is coercive, tyrannical. I do not want to pay for a monopoly of services which 51% of the populace thinks a good idea when I might not even volunteer to pay for such a thing privately. This is effectively theft but because the state does it, it's somehow ok.
      Therefore, I reject the centre-left because it isn't consistent in applying absolute power of the state.

    • @rowebil00
      @rowebil00 10 лет назад +1

      You should have left the video a long time ago, bud.

  • @zes3813
    @zes3813 8 лет назад

    wrong, not, idts

  • @veralakatos7557
    @veralakatos7557 2 года назад

    Pa zašto ne govoriš na slovenskom?!!!!!!

  • @LiborSupcik
    @LiborSupcik 8 лет назад

    talkingcircles

  • @kevendubin
    @kevendubin 10 лет назад

    "Don't trust authorities, trust me in this - for I am an authority" is only one of her many self contradictions. She's peddling socialism/communism and claiming "ignorance" as a term to use on people that do not agree with her ideology instead or one to use on those that do not research beyond it. This was very disappointing.
    Addendum: The reason that her "experiment" about doing a random lecture mixed with a different professor's lecture likely worked well - is most probably because they drank the same coolaid, and their students were used to hearing the random and consistent contradictions and drivel mixed in with key points that were likely identical anyway.

  • @konpmasiba9918
    @konpmasiba9918 9 лет назад

    Her skirt ist just a mess! It can't be her own free choice!

  • @gentygenty
    @gentygenty 10 лет назад +1

    Well, she really doesn't understand much about anything :/

  • @irenguff7176
    @irenguff7176 10 лет назад

    What's the strange accent?

  • @jiblazed
    @jiblazed 10 лет назад

    badly given presentation with a painful accent/language

  • @heleen01
    @heleen01 10 лет назад +1

    I am baffled by the amount of ignorant comments on this video. She is not proposing communism nor a total reduction of choice. She is arguing for thinking beyond your own individual choices and realising how choice affects not only your own life but influences social, ecological, political and -perhaps most importantly- economical realities. I think this is a beautiful eloquent rephrasing of what I would call the deceit of ego-politics.