IS THE CREW MOTORFEST FAIR? - Double Resets, Shortcuts, "Cheaters" and Slip-Streamers
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NGL, I don’t think resets being used as a skip mechanic should be a thing that everyone uses. Whats the point in being good at driving if you’re just gonna use skips half the time. Its a racing game not an exploit-fest
Respect
Yeah, that's not using a deliberate game mechanic, it's cheesing. Resets should not give any advantage, if you use a reset within the checkpoint's pass radius, it should be a penalty, not a boon.
@@nctrns yeah Dude, you Hit IT on Point.!
A reset should be a disadvantage cause you wouldn't need to reset when you Drive properly..
Why gain ground when you use a mechanic that is Just Made for situations you screw Up, that's absurd.?! 😂😂😂
We’re really condoning resets? Come on y’all…It’s sad to see that the current meta encourages the ignorance of core racing aspects like braking points, proper cornering, general car control etc…it seems like a skill issue for those who use resets as a crutch to win. Nothing skillful about it.
He’s a clown for saying that.
Only video I disagree with. Kingdom Twelve did a better topic on this. Also for Slip-streamers group pack to counter this they should make each grand race for 10 minutes let them wait until everyone finishes the race (The group pack finish the race within 6-8 mins)... even a bad player can complete a grand race under 10 minutes. I wouldn't even mind a 15 minute time limit at this point just to trigger those group packs. Also for Summit Contests, Ivory Tower needs to disable friends playing together in Summits Contests (as they can Slip-stream for better summit score) and for Summit feats they should put you in solo lobby (Something like in GTA 5 Online how they have solo sessions).
At least there's some skill about taking shortcuts because you need to know where they are. using resets that will allow you to skip turns is an exploit plain and simple and if he thinks it's fair then he needs to put his clown shoes on and go to the circus. Also slipstream is just broken, it doesn't matter if there's a train in front of you, two is enough because if you've nobody behind you you're just going to lose if there's significant distance between you and them and this can happen due to all kinds of reasons like people ramming you or slamming their car into the wall in front of you etc.
Yeah first time checking out the channel after I bought the game and that was sus
they need to make resets more punishing to the driver, so that they can't be used to skip turns.
How would you know if they didn’t just mess up?
@@ricozelaya7092Just simply set the initial speed to be 0 after reset. If you lost traction or got stuck or out of the road, it’s totally fine to back on road at 0 speed. If someone intentionally reset, then the 0 speed start is a kind of punishment. Mistakes should not be rewarded.
@@WisestMorty makes sense. I like that idea.
@Ubisoft need to see this
Resets are the only thing I have a problem with I don’t care about shortcuts. Make resets more punishable.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the resets part. I know that resets exist and know the benefits of using resets. I only use the resets when I over shoot a corner, when I miss a checkpoint or when I get knocked off course by someone. The people who are beating me, are the ones who are spamming the resets all throughout the race. The only way for me to beat these people is to abuse the resets just like them which I refuse to do. I'd rather race properly than to abuse an in game mechanic.
So just like he said if you can use it to be competitive then get good at resets to win. There's no honour system in racing. It's whose the fastest around the course and first over the line...THATS RACING....or were you one of those kids that changes rules when you lost and it never applies to you...
@@Squidward1912 why would anyone want to get good at spamming resets to win and how is spamming resets "RACING"??? The only people who would want to do that are the ones who don't want to race properly and don't want to "FIX" their skill issue of taking a tight corner. Respectfully man.... all I am saying is, if you feel the need to spam resets all throughout the GR, then you definitely have a skill issue of taking difficult corners.
Most people that ram suck anyway, most of the time they don't even finish the race. When I get rammed, Either I enter a new grand race or stay in the game depending on what car I am using and what is the race is about. I have used many cars that aren't even on beta class I have won the grand race without the need to reset. You need to take the line off look so that you can look in front of you and you also need to look at the map briefly, so that way you can find shortcuts, lines does not take you to short cuts and makes one look down.
@@Squidward1912ask a real Racecar Driver about reset Cuts.. oh wait there are none in real racing.. 😂😂😂😂
But yeah reset Cuts are totally racing.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
We are not gonna act like resets that give you a advantage is ok im sure it wasn't intended to be used that way.
TC2 had shortcuts on 100+ races, and they never fixed them all in its 5 year lifespan, im quite sure they’re gonna do the same here
@@bran-rrhe said resets not shortcuts
@@Guspachoooh yeah i see, however my point still stands
@@bran-rr ok but shortcuts are whatever like anyone can learn them but resets are just a joke. They ruin how u drive entirely.
@@sajsalem5230 I don’t disagree to some extent, I just don’t think ivt will do anything considering what they’ve done in the past 🤷♂️
While I do think motorfest is mostly fair, I do wish they could fix the reset exploit as that doesn’t belong in a racing game. I really don’t have a problem with shortcuts as it is something found I plenty of racing games and I really like the shortcuts that are high risk high reward as it really tests your skills
Yeah Dude, exactly what i think..
Shortcuts Just are racing, you have to know the track and you have to wage If the risk is worth it..
But that reset bs is Just wrong and has nothing to do in a racing Game..
Resets should only be applied when you screw Up and get Back in track, Not to Help you Corner.. wtf.!!! 😂
Yeah resets is the one thing I have most issue with because it defeats the purpose of a difficult corner (where most of these resets take place) that challenges your driving ability to take that corner properly. I would say that it feels way more satisfying to win races due to your driving skill rather than a gimmick.
I agree with you aside from the resets. Resets may be “fair” since everyone can learn to perform them, but its not something that a racing game needs. If you’re performing resets to avoid difficult or slow corners I think you need take your own advice and play a different game. Why you would play a racing game with the intent to cheese difficult sections of races doesn’t really make sense to me.
I mean this respectfully of course, but when I see people using resets thats a clear indication of lack of skill. Sure it takes some skill to reset properly, but can you make this corner? And if so then just do it.
If you lose traction or get stuck or being rammed and you reset, that’s fine because it’s how it means to be used.
But if you just crash into the wall and reset without any punishment, it’s really a problem. I’m sure that’s not how the devs want players to play a RACING game. We are racing and should learn how to take corners correctly, instead of throw the car into the wall and just reset. Mistakes should not be rewarded. The devs should set the initial speed to be 0 after reset in order to avoid these intentional resets.
The shortcuts also lie on the similar situation. I understand arcade racing game encourages people to take shortcut and that’s how IVT done in playlists and grand race. You can see AI cars take shortcuts in some playlists. I’m totally fine with most of them since it adds lots of joy to the game. But the tremendous shortcuts in recent Summits had just gone too far. It’s not fun to drive a hypercar through 20 secs in forest or on grass. Some of them are just simply against people’s intuition and the experience is not enjoyable.
Wait...Motorfest is a Racing game ?
@@wb3213bruh
Another thing that you missed thats unfair is clutch. Some cars (even meta, 911gt for example) shift extremely slow and with clutch theyre an absolute rocketship. If youre on console the only way to use clutch is wheel and hshifter, controller players have no option to use it. On pc you can use clutch on any input and its a macro so all you have to do is shift up and down like its sequential.
Clutch also takes no skill to use which makes it even more of a problem. Its just free pace, no skill involved
It's not fair knowing that only PC players have "wheel input" where the turning response is immaculately faster than normal console controllers. This is unfair and it needs to be fixed
@@paddyod16 i should not need to buy a wheel setup to have a fair shot at a racing game, if you do the game is broken end of story
Wait, it is? Well i guess.. I think I started in the right direction 👀
it’s the same using a controller on pc. they have less input delay then consoles for every game and there’s not much that can be done about it
PC players also have manual clutch+h-shifter on gamepad which makes cars with slow transmission changing gears as fast as PDK(and gaining faster acceleration ofc even on cars with fast gearbox but not that significantly)
@@hugehoglilnuts2905i made this exact point on a previous video
Skill should be the deciding factor, what i fear tho is IVT deciding to nerf everyone instead of adding the option to customize sensitivity, the problem is that being “good” at the game is currently locked behind needing to either pay a stupid amount of money or downloading an illegal app to imitate the effect when it should just be something everyone can do
Sure if everyone has access to wheel level sensitivity some may not be able capitalize on it, but that’s how things are, some people are just better at gaming and learning
it honestly only matters in actual competition, if you’re good at the game you already probably get high placing and better control just makes that easier, if you’re mid at the game perhaps making the choice to learn the technique will make you leagues better but if not that’s fine
Shortcuts are fine although they can be kind of annoying having to look them up for the summit, but the reset stuff def does not belong in a racing game, just a straight up exploit. Also wheel mode seriously needs to be addressed, it cant be fixed by turning off crossplay either since everybody has it on by default and very few people even know about wheelmode on console
Resets were not meant to be abused as they are. Resets are meant to get you back on the track, not to give an advantage. This is a "cheat." When a car is reset, it should start at the point it was reset at a dead stop. Not reset at the same speed it was traveling when it was reset. I agree with everything else you discussed in this video. But I think using resets to gain an advantage is a form of cheating because it is taking advantage of a broken issue in the game mechanics. Hopefully, it gets fixed.
My thoughts...
In the Summits Resets and Shortcuts should be heavily penalize by time added... Two player slipstreaming shouldn't even be a thing. Summits should be about pure driving skill of one player.
Grandraces, Shortcuts are fine, Resets are a joke tho and Crossplay should not be a thing between consoles and PC on any game.
Oh and Meta vehicles should also be addressed... How boring is it to keep playing with the same cars? Because you wanna have a edge over to other players and still lose majority of the time.... smh 🤣
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I don't like resets and don't use them. I think it's goofy as hell to divebomb into a hairpin at 200mph and smash into the wall only to get going ahead of where you just decided to smash into a wall. But I don't care if players want to be goofy. I just don't understand why there are tight turns on the tracks with checkpoints in them at all. Either the checkpoint should be further ahead or there should just not be hairpin turns if the developers don't intend for you to drive through them. For shortcuts, some of them are fun, but are they all intentional? Did IVT design these summit races where you jump off a mountain to cut out a huge portion of the track?
Right shouldn't get rewarded for not wanting to take a corner
The easiest way to avoid people abusing meta cars is just adding more competitive cars. In fh5 Alevel, boneshaker used to dominate the whole level. But right now there are about 20 cars at the same level and some are even better. So when playing online race you are not supposed to see much boneshaker except a few rookies drive it. Unfortunately the gap between meta cars and others in tcm is kinda huge, except st2 and hyper cars we have about 10 competitive cars.
Used to think that getting high up in a lot of the events was such a crazy long shot away, but following some of the shortcuts of this channel and just getting better, I found myself learning the physics of the game so much faster and getting first in Grand Races commonly now if not top 3 easily.
Lol half the battle is just not getting caught in between a wall and the tidal wave of drivers crashing into it.
Right there with you. Went from being around 20th place every race to top 5 consistently
Agree with everything except using resets. How is it even fun to use that mechanic? Defend it all you like but it's the main reason I choose not to play this game any more.
Tbh if people spent more time concentrating on racing rather than ramming the experience would be wildly different for the lesser skill level drivers. I would say im above average and have a balanced experience once the rammers are out of sight.
Also pro tuning has a majot impact. Many times i see "META" cars struggle against a well tuned alternative
How to add fairness in PVP? Add ranks. They will filter better players and will stop slower players from DNFing.
I agree with your statements. I have participated in over 450GR and won ~150 of them. Mostly finish in the podiums.
I use every advantage I can have (Resets,shortcuts etc.) I play with keyboard and can compete with fastest players so I don't think those people who uses shortcuts are "cheaters" it's just experience to go as fast as you can. I don't mind if they remove these "advantages" for fair play.
How to remove resets? Add checkpoints at turn corners or before the turn (it depends from the track).
What's wild is seeing people go 450 mph through speed traps, the insane scores in summits is also ridiculous. Exploits need to be addressed. The top 250 players in each summit is definitely not legit, way too much that can ruin the game for someone playing for fun.
I’m top 250 with relative ease every week. My summit scores are on my videos and other top players including the top 5-10 post there complete summit runs on YT. I don’t think you understand level of detail and skill the top players have. It’s honestly absurd but it’s not because of cheats.
I'm top 250 nearly every week without having to use resets,sure I utilise short cuts but it's not as hard as people think,it's been a fun part of the game since the first Crew
@@MilitiaGamingCommunitytop 250 from slipstreaming in groups, and using reset exploits. How about you find some shortcuts on your own instead of shortcuts others have found.
Firstly ... I like your channel ..... BUT .... I'm finding it hard to believe you genuinely believe resets are a good thing.
The meta car issue can partially be addressed by boosting the bucks reward and xp for various vehicles rather than just xp because at this point people dont care as much about xp but that christmas bucks bonus sure was nice
Actually a good idea. The same way that CoD tracks the most popular guns and gives you bonus xp to level them up faster, the most popular cars could be tracked and you get a small bonus using a car outside of that list
Bro you think the sweats already dont have more money than they will ever be able to spend 😂
Alot of them came over from tc2 bringing 100s of cars..
Like me personally i think i bought like 5cars in motorfest so far.. And im sitting at over 70mill bucks 😂
Bucks are not the solution to combat meta sry to say it
Using a recovery tool as an advantage in tight corners is just sweaty, try-hard tactics. Shame to those who say others should use it or just move on. Hopefully they patch it out...soon.
The wheelmode situtation reminds me of something similar that happened in a competitive shooter game, where PC players would use external software to trick the game into thinking they were on a controller so they could move their character at sharper angles. The developers eventually made this an official in-game option, I think that IVT should do the same with wheelmode in Motorfest
resets are cheese and really shouldnt be abused.
Thing with the meta cars is it gets so boring always seeing the same cars at the top, we don’t always wanna use the huracán or an f40 or the 993 just to win a street 2 race the way to fix that imo is to introduce vehicle types into the races like trucks only, SUV’s only sedans only hatchbacks only then that’ll at least make the game feel like there’s a bit more variety
It may be fair but I hate the resets. Hate them. Adding a 3 second delay if you go off track is fair to me. Keep up the good work 🤘
People expect to be pro in 1 day after watching few youtube guides, that’s not how it works. The more you play the better you get. In first month I never been able to finish any grand race, now easily being in top5 most of the time. Play, enjoy, git gut.
I pretty much agree with all of this, about the reset not so much because you’re using a mechanic that’s meant to be used if you lost control or went off track, not to cut a corner, and I don’t use resets, because 1: idk how to, and 2, every time I reset exactly how you do it in your videos, and I get reset at the start of the corner which I don’t get. I also do think Rammers(people who play dirty by pushing you into a wall, a building, etc) should get punished for playing like that. How you may ask? I have a couple ways:
1. Kicked. Lets say the player gets rammed into a wall by a rammer to where the player gets slowed down a LOT, the rammer gets kicked from the race, doesn’t get the rewards, and needs to pay 50k to the game as punishment. If the rammer doesn’t have 50k? It’ll remove the money that he already has, and the rest will compound if he keeps doing it. This will not count for a slight bump unless you spin out, will not count for the first and second corner of the race because those 2 corners are usually chaos and won’t count if you’re cornering with over 5 people, because ramming into each other is just unavoidable.
2. Swapped. If a rammer decides to push a player to where they spin out and all the other stuff, if the player resets, they’ll be back on track at their speed before they were hit into a wall and around the area the rammer was, and the rammer gets reset on the place the player just was, and if he tries to reset, he’ll be reset back at the same spot as where he pushed the player, meaning he’d need to drive back to the track manually, making him lose a ton of placings. The things that didn’t count for the first option, don’t count for this one as well, so being in a big pack of players, the first and second corner, etc. This one is more so to give the rammer a taste of their own medicine.
I'm a PC gamer with a controller and wheelmode should be prevented because you're using third-party programs, in the same way they made an effort to stop people farming parts using third-party programs. If this were an in-game setting available to everyone there would be no problem.
shortcuts and slipstream I don't see a problem because it's a normal arcade racing game thing and you just need to practice, but resets are absurd, I've never seen a racing game with a broken mechanic like that, it's not a question of learning how to reset, it's a matter of that the player doesn't need to learn the basics of the racing game which is braking and going around the curve because he can just accelerate and reset, in the same way they ended Wall Riding in TC2 in TCM they should end that too, a solution It would be simple when you reset the car to appear stopped.
I actually agree. I believe they’ve made that change (need to test it more)
Imo this is my thoughts on topics like this:
- Slipstreaming is a racing thing (As you mentioned)
- Shortcuts, man look we had shortcuts for racing games in years, if you complain go play a Motorsport game where no shortcuts are used.
- Back on Track, I mean they added Rewind I guess they want to complain about that, and removing them is not gonna make the game better.
- TCM is basically a learning curve from the changes they made because people thought the handling was gonna be like the TC2 but got to adjust.
- I understand the complaints from Grand Race because 28 races is too much and switching from three different specs is awful to, but again competitive thing.
- I think people fail to realize these racing games especially online are competitive, but doesn’t mean cheating needs to be addressed.
- It seems like people want the game to be patched more which can ruin the game even more.
- We can tell they nerfed some of the cars that was the best in TC2.
- PVP needs to be an option instead of Demolition and Grand Race, limiting your players.
Even with parts that i grinded ages for, i was not able to score well. But thanks to ur guides and pro settings, ive been able to get platinum consistently for the last few weeks, and im able to enjoy the game much more.❤
Indeed, many seek excuses. Personally, I use a controller on PS5 and manage podium finishes without issue. I've even experimented with a wheel and still clinched podium spots. Consistently achieving platinum in every summit reinforces the notion that improvement within the game is attainable. The perceived discrepancy in quality appears minor to me. It often seems like folks enjoy finding fault rather than embracing the experience. There's always room for improvement, but if it's unsettling, perhaps exploring a different game could offer a more satisfying adventure.
Is this how people get the push power to basically walk you into a brick wall or the side of a building? causing you to reset?
My thing is in the Summits, when i finish and i really did good in my believe, i even did good cuts. Then checking the leaderboard, people are still 30s faster. This is super annoying
Agree with everything said. I'm not a fan of the reset to gain advantage tactic...tried it a few times but it messed me up more than anything so I really only use it when I'm off track. The real issue with resets is when they don't work correctly. The other day I went off track, reset and it put my car behind a barrier wall off the road. Another time I reset and I was facing the complete wrong way on the track.
But listen, I'm 45 with bad eyesight and driving automatic with a keyboard, and am in no way any kind of racing pro. But I still won 6 grand races yesterday alone mostly just because I play the game all the time. Once you learn the routes and some throttle control you ascend to another level.
The one thing that really bothers me still is the car transitions. I can be in 1st with 4 people behind me, cross a transition from ST2 to Hypercar, and while I'm waiting 2-3 seconds for my car to switch all 4 of the people behind me are now at 250+mph gapping me while I'm in 5th. No idea why it almost always takes several seconds for mine to switch but it's infuriating.
The slow transition is a real problem for me as well. Sometimes it takes so long they've already taken the corner and accelerated out of slipstream distance from me before I even get my car still approaching the corner. Ridiculous.. Literally like a 4 second delay sometimes..
Honestly I agree with everything but the reset part, sure it’s a part of the game but it’s called reset for a reason, it’s not called “hold to skip a turn” there’s no skill involved there if you need to skip a turn to get by, it’s not cheating but it is exploiting m, everything else is skill based the resets are not, if you can’t make a turn that’s your own fault hit the brake next time
Some of the community’s and my own thoughts and experiences about this. I hope this can provide you with some of the logic behind arguments against your point and bring another issue to light.
I would have to disagree on resets and meta. There's a differentiation between resets and shortcuts, shortcuts, like you said are intended to be discovered, learned, and used to provide you with a reward for putting in the extra work, whereas resets were intended to allow players to return to the race after leaving the course or getting stuck, I do not believe IVT envisioned resets as a tool for players to learn and use to get faster, but rather as a way to recover your race after what would have been a race ending crash. While yes increasing your track knowledge and learning resets will yield a reward for your time spent, exactly the way shortcuts do, the obvious differentiation in principle here is using a feature such as shortcuts as intended, vs using a feature like resets in an unintended way.
Meta has become a large issue in many games, and I hope motorfest doesn't fall to the same crux. The problem doesn't lie in the fact that some cars will always be faster than others, as is the nature of a racing game. However, the introduction of a meta that objectively outperforms everything else in its class will eventually just lead to power-creep, along with an ever-increasing gap between the top and bottom of a class. As IVT adds faster cars to match the meta and pseudo-balance the game, everything else will be left in the dust. While you argued that complaining about using an objectively slower car when faster ones are usually available (excluding crew2 exclusives) is ridiculous and an excuse, I agree that willingly choosing a slower car when you could use a faster one is quite ridiculous, but I don't think it’s right for a car that you enjoy, to have little to no chance at succeeding as the gap between meta and everything else gradually increases, in what is meant to be a level playing field. I also do not think the argument of "just pick a faster car" is very sound in a game like crew motorfest which provides the unique experience of so many different cars being able to race together, because if everyone applied this logic, the field would simply begin to look like a spec racing series of one make and model instead of mixed and unique cars, and I don't think this the experience most players are hoping for.
Something I've personally noticed while driving some of my favorite cars, the 917k and RSR Turbo in racing class. No matter how cleanly you took your racing line, no matter how late you braked in corners or how well you used gutters, the meta could always brake later, could always win the fights in the corners, and pass you with their exit speed. It was rather disappointing knowing you nailed the braking zone and took a gutter cleanly just to see a guy in a Gallardo Super Trofeo pass you around the outside, so I caved and bought the cheapest ticket into the meta, the Camaro SS, it really was a "bruh" kind of experience where I realized you really could just switch your brain off with meta cars and consistently place top 5 or podium just by racing a somewhat clean race
The final issue I've seen brought up a few times is clutch; some slow shifting cars can cut down shift times and be significantly faster through the use of a clutch only available to wheel/pedal and keyboard players with bound macros, this in many ways relates to the “wheelmode” issue whereas one specific platform is unable to access a feature that significantly increases performance of many cars.
I get 1st occasionally and place podium often in grand races without using meta cars 90% of the time and i still think it’s unfair that we don’t have a toggle for controller players for “wheel mode”. I wouldn’t mind if they disable it in grand races since getting away from the chaos is primarily what will guarantee u a good placing if u can drive but for summits, that’s a different story even if I always get platinum.
i agree.
To fix resets at checkpoints exploit, disable Reset ability for 3-5 seconds starting just before the checkpoint since you can start your reset before the checkpoint but once you go through it before the reset ability inputs it spawns you in the checkpoint.
Divide live summits to Platform rather than Crossplatform so more people are able to achieve the rewards. Also improve rewards. Rather than a previous TC2 Summit car, add a new car and a TC2 car so if you already have the TC2 car, you get money, if you don't have it then you get 2 cars at once.
There isn't much that can be done to improve console performance as the consoles are limited to what they are built with and PC can be custom built to have far better performance. Only fix for PC vs Console is remove crossplay for PC. Wheel vs Controller vs Keyboard is again something that can only be fixed by dividing players and leaderboards by input device. All of this is just something I don't think IVT will EVER do. They will never balance anything for the players because the biggest voices are crying about the dumbest and most irrelevant things like "pretty lights and sounds"
Most people complaining about losing in PvP is purely a skill difference and knowledge difference. I have friends that acknowledge they are slower because they don't take proper racing lines like myself and some people don't even understand or comprehend what to do for taking racing lines. You have to specifically explain it and tell them what to do but once you stop, they go back to messing up. They can't retain the information for some reason.
Shortcuts in Motorfest is for min-maxing times. It can really be a 1 second difference or 5 second difference but so far I haven't seen any MAJOR time gaps from cuts and if you drive good enough can catch up with slip from others and negate the affects of short cuts in PvP.
Disable slipstreaming in PvP. Simple
Meta should NOT exist. Meta is really just things in the game made to cater to low skill/bad players to give them something to use to feel better and do better. Being skilled and using a "meta" is just lame and boring. I'd rather outrun a Huracan using a Camaro or Challenger that understeers and slides out but I can control it better than the guy in the Huracan can with the best tune on RUclips or a guy on wheel. I'll never forget that hate message 🤣🤣
Seems like the best way to drive in this game is cut corners , kamikaze into a corner and reset …. Driving and taking a turn properly seems like the worse way to drive lol
People complain alot instead of getting good
I love it when a company adds a shortcut intentionally where you drive off a cliff just to gain an advantage in the longest race in the game and then just patch it later on in the crew 2. Absolutely amazing
I can definitely say you as well as akor and simgii have helped me dramatically improve my skill at the game which I appreciate all 3 of you
So for example. I am like 15 seconds ahead of GR and last change is to alpha gp. I am taking perfect corners clear lines and so on. But still 2nd and 3rd place manage to catch me up due to slipstream, so you think is fair? When i am fast enough that i manage to win a lot of GR. But when on Alpha GP it is really annoying. You can’t do rather much if you are alone on those.
The reset thing is the only thing I have a problem with. Specifically in summit events. I know I'm not the best ever by any means but I'm not that bad. I'm almost consistently top 5 in grand races but some of these summit event times in the leaderboards are outrageous. I'll admit I am doing a bit of whining here. And I have started to try to learn the reset spots as to keep up with everyone else but I'm not doing very good at it lol
I was like "LOL" when heard that someone complain about shortcuts, and yes, it was since TC1, but not that powerful as in TCM
it's when Forza community well-mannered to drive in corridors which walls made from glass
There is also the element of Auto vs Manual. I think the people who use manual are way more at an advantage in these races compared to those who race using automatic
but that would fall more of a skill issue though . Learning manual in the beginning is very difficult but the the outcome is great
@@wb3213 exactly. And there are still some Top Players that use Automatic
@@AK_SERHAT_ Oh I get it 👍
Agreed. Initially it began with nfs heat, where I was never the fastest in the heat 3 or heat 5 races and that's when I came across your channel. It helped me build lots of fast cars, as well as how to just play better. About a month ago I finally got crew motorfest, a game I thought I'd really enjoy. Not being a part of the previous games of the franchise, I thought it will be easy to take my nfs skills to crew motorfest. When I started playing the grand races, I was immediately frustrated, because it was so difficult. And so I started watching all your videos and other creators as well, and rather then complaining about it being unfair, I actually learned quite alot. However, I still haven't won a grand race yet, I'm always coming out in the top 10 and maybe sometimes top 5. Alot of learning, but that's what I love about racing games. People think it's "too easy" and no skill required, but actually, racing games require the most patience, skill as well as ability to think quickly. So yes, I agree with you completely.
Let me be the first to say thanks. I watch almost every video and it helped my racing significantly. It’s to a point I don’t care about using meta I use different builds cause I bought this game to have fun. I’m not trying to finish first every race. If I want to I’ll just do what they’re doing. If you want to be competitive don’t complain, do exactly what you see others doing.
Right! Sometimes I laugh harder while battling for 20th place than I do when fighting for a podium spot. It's all about having fun
Resets should be reworked
great video, first of all. im one of the players who, at first when i started playing seen how unfair the game is. i come from games like gran turismo, where precision is key to victory. ive played nfs games for a fun arcade style game, and figured crew would be similar. ive gotten better at grand races by learning to drive terribly, imo. wallriding, resets, and tuning. before, id finish 10th at best, now i finish in the single digits. the one thing that helped me most tho, was wreckfest. yes, the demo derby game. the crew plays like wreckfest. its everyones goal to ram, shove, and divebomb each other in this game. so i adjusted my usual "gentleman driver" style of playing to more of a patient, use your opponents as a corner buffer style. i still wont go out of my way to mess someone up, ut if its between me, them, and a position, im going to take that position. as far as slipstreaming goes? i use tf out of it, and i get to use my skills learned from many years of gt racing. if anyone sees me, (psychic octopus9) on the track, know you can pass me without worry of being shoved into the wall, or other obstacle. i will retaliate, but i wont initiate dirty driving. as far as op, or meta cars? ive proven that they are not neccesary. sure, they help, but ive used the raptor, silverado, even the bettle and came out in a good position. it comes down to luck. skill has a small part to play in your victory. enough rambling, ive got races to win.
On the surface, the game's systems are built with fairness in mind, and balanced based in player investment. But when we start looking at the -off the curve- and borderline illegal tactics some use, we reach the tipping point. I think the wheel mode is the worse of those tactics.
Im of the logic that if any player has the means of accomplishing the mechanic, it's fair, despiste of the investment. It isn't unfair just because u didn't work for it.
@@hueitor1748 while i agree that wheelmode is an unfair advantage, wheelmode provides the same advantage for a controller that you would get from a using a wheel. so the real problem is the gap between wheel and controller. all wheel mode does is close that gap for the competitive controller players and wheel players. hopefully this gets addressed as console players have no other choice but to purchase an actual wheel in order to compete (if they have the similar skill level to top players)
@@PhtevenMilitiayea exactly
I would change the yellow barriers from solid walls that people just crash into and grind along a turn. Turn them into those flimsy little banners that you can drive over instead. That will stop people from taking a turn at 180 mph.
not a terrible idea tbh
Agree on everything minus resets. The entire point of a reset is that you messed up. You shouldn’t ever be put in an advantageous situation after using one. There simply isn’t an excuse for that or logic point that makes sense. If we’re going to suggest that people need to just get good… then… you should get good and learn how to take corners not spam resets.
There’s actually an easy way to fix this. Upon resetting your top speed is limited and you can’t not draft or be drafted for a bla bla bla amount of time.
The resets and loss the of sound in the XBSX in the grand races makes annoying. I think that the resets are just a cheating mechanism when exploited just like the wheel mode some people are using to be in the nonsense leaderboards. The performance in the PC compared to the consoles has been an issue for ALL RACING GAMES. I am not really sure if some PC players are increasing the FPS in their PC like they do in FH to gain an advantage. Anyway, I think that we should have 1 more option of cross play to CONSOLES ONLY. We only have 2, cross play (XB, PS and PC) and not cross play (PS), (XB), (PC) only. We need a console cross play option (PS, XB) only. Till this day I haven't played the grand race with only XB players because there isn't anyone in the lobby when the cross play off, I have only played in cross play because that is the only way to race in the grand race.
This is the only racing game that I know that the resets are used as an advantage. I only saw a reset 1 time in NFS Unbound when a person crashed in front of me and still managed to be in front of me, other than that, I only see the reset done in TCM.
hey trigger, yeah I I agree with what you’re saying. I am a console player and I drive on the elite controller with race setting and I find myself in the top 10 every single race. I have won race three times and I find myself equally as competitive as PC and wheel drivers .I honestly have no complaints with the shortcut and reset. I just feel like it’s a skill issue and I don’t mean that in the insulting way. I’ve been playing the crew since the first crew so I feel like I have knowledge in general to navigate this game. I have no issues with this game whatsoever. I just wish they have more cars.
As a fan thats been playing since the crew 1....the ONLY gripe i have is people PURPOSELY RAMMING YOU. Im use to the cuts and everything else. I dont even look to be 1st 2nd or 3rd.....even though sometimes i do. I just wish other players would have "ghost mode" like tc1 and tc2 or have an option to race in a "contact" lobby
Slipstreaming and shortcuts are fine but resets are straight up dumb and should not be in the game
Trigger, your video is SPOT ON as usual. We may not like how some things are but that's how the game is programmed and we should adapt to them. You accurately identified the main UNFAIR thing as being competitive disadvantages due to low framerates on older consoles. Don't forget the XBOX one. PGA TOUR 2023 won't even make a version for it because it cannot compete with even the X and S platforms, let alone PC.
The motorcycles are so freaking slow
Whenever I see someone do a shortcut I don't know I'm like "ima be like that guy"
I have no problem with ppl using resets, but for me (and ppl on older consoles) it’s very annoying sinds it takes around 3 to 10 seconds to load back in something so we can’t use the strat ourselve, the delay is also very annoying if we get rammed of the road
Shortcuts are super fine. They've been in racing games since forever and it falls into a map knowledge category... but the resets on the other hand I have to disagree... it's an abuse of a game mechanic. Reseting your car in order to skip more difficult corners... that does not belong in a racing game. Just as the console performance and the wheel mod, this should be addressed as well. You can argue "It's a game mechanic everybody can use so you are putting yourself in a disadvantage not abusing it" but unlike shortcuts or slipstreaming it's clearly not used the way developers intended.
The very fact that it's controversial and we are having a conversations about it suggests the resets are not contributing to the overall satisfaction with the game. Dividing the player base is never a good idea.
I mean... I use it... but I hate it
I think what many are saying is the major short cutting is a cheat, not your typical nfs short cutting. Going through the woods going over a mountain ect is over the top. Cutting off a corner I have np with.
@@ronaldkeene8551 still good… in the end it’s just “here’s checkpoint A, here’s checkpoint B; get there however you want”
Grand races aren't important enough to warrant a way to void slip streaming, but on the other hand where placements actually matter, the Summit, you shouldn't be able to slip stream other drivers. As thats not skill related.
The problem of people who only use the meta cars makes the game boring because to beat them you have to use the same thing in all the races.
Slipstream is not cheating is a part of racing
I disagree with your premise that people who play a racing game and do not want to use resets, based on the principled fact that it destroys the spirit of the designed intent of racing vehicles against other players, have no reason to be upset. By and large the game is about racing vehicles, once it becomes "whomever can remember the gamified system hacks have the advantage" then it undermines the intended spirit of why many people are engaging in the first place. Intended shortcuts I agree with you on, but abusing resets added to the game to help recover after a crash as a racing mechanic I can't agree with. I have just a big of an issue with resets in the summit events as well because I try and race the tracks like it's a legitimate race. Using a system mechanic to game the race for the best time is not why I'm here. I expect to lose to people who have better track knowledge and racing ability, but an equal or lesser racer can "beat" me by breaking the spirt of the games intent and that's trash. I'm fine with intended shortcuts, slimstreaming, using meta cars, and all the other standard racing stuff, but resets as an option for optimal times is not part of racing. I also agree with you that the controller vs steering input absolutly needs to be addressed.
Fair. For the record, I’m not saying “resets are good.” I’m saying that they exist and if you knowingly choose not to use them, you can’t expect to perform better than a player with similar skill who chooses to use them. Right or wrong, I honestly don’t care. The game within the game exists and it’s my job or rather the job of my content to show “the fastest” way to complete the race and right now, until the devs decide to take action, resets are a thing that every player who wants to be competitive should use, even though it is cheesy.
@@MilitiaGamingCommunity I get where you're coming from, but I'm trying to point out that the reason people pushback on the resets is because we're here to actually properly race. I'm sure you get that, but I wanted to point it out.
I just got a wheel for the holidays and I did see a big difference with some of my races cuz I’m mainly was on controller and there are some races where I do go back to controller AND you are right about having to learn about short cuts and etc.. but resets I’m sorry should never be a thing like that’s gotta go how can you say that racing if 25% of ur race if invisible
I only got to play grand races since about 2weeks ago.. Because i got the game late, and then hoonigan came along wich tanked my fps to the point it became unplayable 😂
But i have learned so much from people like you / simgii / ryno and many more..
And in just shy of 2weeks i already won over 100 grand races. And gave some of the wins away even😊
I agree things like wheelmode and resets are a bit absurd.. But dit really doesnt bother me at all.. Most wheelmode users would body me even without it.. And for resets i can use them too if i feel like its going to be needed.. Shortcuts are always a thing to use because they show knowledge and some of them skill
But the biggest key to winning will always be to not drive like a idiot from the get go.. Use good people in front to break away from the pack of rammers.. And just let them do their thing if they are in front.. Alot of times people rush overtakes making both crash and be able to get caught up... JUST WAIT let them make a mistake or wait untill 8p% or something before you battle positions.. it will improve your grand race results by aloooot
Ok. I just stopped when you said everyone should use resets instead of encouraging people to do better gutters and to actually learn how to corner
All facts !! If you are upset go play something else simple as that
Ps5 player here, the only problem I have with TCM is rammers in GR. I don’t enjoy the traffic in feats but it adds to the challenge. I enjoy everything else about TCM.
Got 4 straight top 3 finishes on PS5 on controller. When I fir at started the Grand Races I never placed outside of the 20's. Over time I was consistently placing in the teens. Now I'm consistently top 10 and getting top 5 more often, mainly from watching content creators and the lines and strategies they use. I think it's fun trying to figure it all out and get the feel of the different vehicles.
I can’t currently afford a wheel so on console (PS5) it makes it harder to be as competitive but I still try to tough it out
I don’t care about the resets and shortcuts etc in the grand races and normal races I’ve never lost because someone used it and keeps it competitive lol it just sucks that the summit WORLD rankings are plagued with super high scores or quick times meaning it’s cheat and grind each event every single day or miss out on top rewards which I don’t have the time for and think is boring but thats just me I enjoy everything but that 😊
Can i get back on track without rewinding when i have this two options oinned to the same button
Got the game last week and ima fps player, ngl the first hour or 2 of grand races were horrible; always in 20th or worse.
Today iv podiumed a handful of times and my average placement is around top 10. Learning your cars and the track is 100% the biggest hill you have to climb over, the next one is realizing that your competitors can help you. Baiting an aggressive racer to wipe out, slipstreaming someone that’s clearly catching speed, shit you can use players that hit the walls to prevent speed loss on your own turns. Every game has casuals but sometimes you needa suck it up and realize when your not a top 10% gamer who can master everything 🤷🏽♂️
I agree with you about the meta car discussion, but for me personally it ruins the gaming experience. Playing with a variety of cars was one of the biggest arguments for buying the game and this has been the case since the start of the franchise. Seeing 60%-70% of the players driving the huracan for the millionth time is just super boring to me. The point I am making is that currently ubisoft has a poor balancing, why can I buy 600 Cars when I have to use 4 specific cars again and again to win races more frequently and have fun. Its just poor balancing and it kills a big part of the game from my perspective.
2:14 Your take on resets is insane. You are supporting cheating.
Justifying cheating period. I appreciate all his videos and all he's does but this major short cutting and resets is cheating period and No I wont do it. Rather loose. 52 years old here and I love racing. Arcade preferred.
I'm absolutely fine with towing (it's another meaning for slipstream), and shortcuts (but it can be backfire sometimes), but what I'm not fine with is the reset abusers
Idk if it’s me but I feel like slipstream is to powerful in this game and second thing it allways feel like a gta race feels like catch up is allways on
Any third party device being used in a competitive game thats against a companys t&c"s should be instant ip ban plain & simple no warnings just banned imo, also them people on legend levels 80 5hrs after summit goes live need a slap, there not looking special there looking like w⚓s
What’s funny is that these groups in grand races become hit squads if you’re first. Last night a SC20 and an Agera tried ramming me out of pole on the last corner, they failed ofc
Honestly, the main and only unfair part of the game has to be the upgrade system. If they REALLY want us to not grind, then they shouldn't have brought back the worst upgrade system in the entire history of racing gaming.
These people are tripping after trying motorfest I literally dropped nfs unbound because I was having way more fun playing the crew
Facts bro 💯
Shortcuts are ok but resets have nothing to do with good racing.
It’s fair, if very competitive your not always gonna be in first place that’s why you u need to upgrade your cars & becoming better handling ur car, once you start to get the hang of it will be more easier
There is no way that you're excusing the use of resets lol. That's not a game mechanic, it's an exploit.
I never found anyone more helpful and humble as you are on RUclips. Thank you so much for helping us get better you are very appreciated sir 🎉
Meta cars are fine. Slip is fine. Shortcuts are fine. BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND RESETS
I do use shortcuts but I dont go out of my way to learn them, just usually when I see other players use them and then learn them, I know like 1 reset in a race that I sometimes use. Im usually top 5 and win maybe 1 grand race a day. the only thing is think slip stream is a bit ridiculous especially in alpha gp, cant even fight it with boost.
I managed going from 28 places to the podium with the the cars I like to used that aren’t meta cars and I’m on console
The game is just built for you to develop the skills for you to used your vehicles at its best potential and track knowledge
The only thing that pisses me off about the game is that AI cars don't ghost while doing feats. It's so obnoxious hoping to get lucky with car spawns
Shortcuts is just a nice thing for good players ;)
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im kinda mad about resets cause i play on a xbox one s thats 7 years old and it takes 2 business days to load after the reset plus for the time being since its doing its job im not really looking to upgrade to a series console
the only thing that really needs to be changed is the resetting.