When has a Dubas team ever finished at the bottom of the conference? When was the last time the Pens finished bottom of the conference? Besides that, with the Pens rebuilding, finishing that low only helps them, right? Whatever helps you guys cope I guess lol
@james_nolan Cope. 😅 We don't give two shits who joins Dubas in Pittsburgh. And, they might not finish at the bottom. But they won't be making the playoffs while Dubas is in charge. Sid should get out of there if he ever wants a shot at winning again.
Who has this dude ever drafted that has become a difference maker. This has become a joke. Wes Clark is another hockey guy that is over rated. He never drafted a later round guy that became a player. Bye bye…. good luck in Pitt with Dumbass.
Should we be looking at tampering here? Runs the Leafs’ draft and a week later he’s the Penguins VP of player personal? Sounds like something would have been in place for awhile here.
Loyalty to whom ? What type of Loyalty? Two types of loyalty to those who are loyal to you and the all mighty dollar! Then there is figurty loyalty say all the right things but when a better offer is presented you are gone! These words and terms are like a revoling door. Loyalty meant something years ago ! Lastly blind loyalty follow and lead blindly ,dumped on while others move past you with less knowledge experience while you are appeased with words like hard worker dedicate goes the extra mile only watch the parade pass you buy. You are loyal to those and others that show you the same and respect that you have demonstrated and shown towards them
So where’s the draft picks coming back to Toronto for patching Clark? Why is it that the Leafs have to pay former teams, or are unable to use like Tre at last years’ draft, unless the Leafs pay draft picks or something?
What? That was never a discussion that the Leafs needed to give CGY draft picks before they would let Tre be at the Leafs draft table. Who told you that? Teams can poach staff from other teams for free, the team gets no compensation.
@@CrimsonicStorm never meant Calgary other than he couldn’t be at the draft table. I am referring to the requirement to ask permission tot speak to an employee under contract and the past practice of having to pay compensation if you poached an employee from another team. As far as I know Clark was still under contract.
@@robm9999 You dont need to pay compensation in terms of draft capital, to teams for poaching staff. It does not exist whether they still have a contract or not. All that happens in this case would be Wes Clarks contract with the Leafs gets destroyed, and he now is on the contract that the Pens have given him. He gets no more paychecks from MLSE and no gets them from the Pens.
@@CrimsonicStorm yes I’m aware. It used to be the case you paid compensation. Oilers paid to hire a fired Peter Chicarelli, leafs did to hire both Babcock and Lamorillo. Other examples out there as well. But you do have to ask permission to talk to them if they are under contract, which Clark was. And if Dubas asked before the draft then I think is fair to question if Clark did the Leafs dirty at the draft or not given the relationship between Dubas and the Leafs. Either way, it’s a fair question to ask if Dubas and Clark were communicating prior to the draft. That would be tampering.
@@robm9999 Hes not in a high enough position for anyone to care. I also highly doubt tampering occurred, even if going to Pittsburgh was talked about at the draft, he still had obligations to the Leafs and drafted the best D man available. I also doubt that he "did the Leafs dirty" at the draft. He has an entire staff, along with Tree and Shanny who are in on drafting players, hes not just making picks all on his own, so it wouldn't be possible to throw the Leafs draft. People would ask questions "Oh, why do you want him Clark? I thought we wanted that Danford kid or X, Y and Z?" It would be impossible, he doesnt even get the final say on who they draft, its a conglomerate effort. Not only would it be impossible to do (screwing the Leafs draft) but it would be unprofessional and would look terrible on his resume when going to a new job. Also, lets not act like Clark was a god, he made countless odd draft choices that sometimes worked out and sometimes didn't. Did he ever draft a player that people thought the Leafs would pick? If working for Daddy Dubas means so much to him then bye bye enjoy being with a mediocre team that wont make the playoffs again until they rebuild. Leafs will replace him and be fine.
Thank god!!! I don't get why this is devastating. Can someone tell me the last time a leaf rookie was in the running for rookie of the year award??? No...noone? How many cups have we won....0!! Scouting department has been horrible! Don't wanna hear about any players until they've done something in the NHL.
@@Make-CanadaGreat-AgainAnd look what Laine turned into 3 years into his career. He's one-dimensional and not very good. Matthews is a generational player.
Nick has used the phrase " It's the definition of insanity" (regarding rolling back the core 4) in every single show for the past years. So in essence he is saying the MLSE brass are all insane. And he will say the whole next season doesn't count except the POs in every show. It's always the same rhetoric with Nick .
Beside Easton Cowan, who is un proven, who else did he draft that has turned out to be a valuable NHL er ? No loss here in Leaf land, draft pics are a crap shoot at best
He has only been running the draft since 2021, so it's too early. But so far Knies, Minten, Cowan, Danford plus a bunch of later picks that are coming like Akhtyamov, Grebenkin, Niemela, Hildeby, and promising players like Chadwick and Holinka. There's a bunch more in our system that may play in the NHL as well.
Dude you're in every comment talking shit on her. What's your deal. 1. Scouting and developing are 2 different jobs 2. She's locked in for term with Toronto 3. She's working on her residency at the Toronto hospital so she's stuck there for her other job
@@Alexdenomme LOOK bud she got the job cuz she's a women!!! That's all, she jumped over people working their A$$ES of for years in the minors THAT'S MY PROBLEM!! She doesn't deserve the job.
This GREAT news! Clark was using 1st round picks to build his little skilled defence such as Rasmus Sandin & Timothy Liljegren while the rest of the NHL was going after big mobile defensemen. Matthews & Marner were no-brainer picks but other Leaf picks were weak. Clark & Dubas were clearly on the same page. Look at Dubas' first signing in Pitt. - Erik Karlsson which was a disaster. Good riddance Clark. He and Dubas deserve one another.
@@james_nolan robertson isnt an nhl player cowan hasnt played at the nhl level yet, where is durzi? knies might be the best pick in the 6 yrs he was here , lets now look at the players the leafs could of drafted but didnt that are doing just fine in the nhl and played from the day they were drafted like schneider looks great in new york
Wes is a loss for the Leafs. Not sure what he's going to do in Pittsburgh though. Like the Leafs, they have very little draft capital. Unlike the Leafs, they are quite old and may struggle to make the playoffs. Again.
Dubas loyalists will end up with Dubas...at the bottom of the conference.
When has a Dubas team ever finished at the bottom of the conference? When was the last time the Pens finished bottom of the conference? Besides that, with the Pens rebuilding, finishing that low only helps them, right? Whatever helps you guys cope I guess lol
I hope Pittsburgh doesn't make the playoffs for the next 10 years, old team dubas will get fired i say by the fourth season
@james_nolan Cope. 😅 We don't give two shits who joins Dubas in Pittsburgh. And, they might not finish at the bottom. But they won't be making the playoffs while Dubas is in charge. Sid should get out of there if he ever wants a shot at winning again.
Who has this dude ever drafted that has become a difference maker. This has become a joke. Wes Clark is another hockey guy that is over rated. He never drafted a later round guy that became a player. Bye bye…. good luck in Pitt with Dumbass.
I'm shocked Dubas doesn't want to rename the Penguins to Maple Leafs
These guys were with Dubas before he even came to Toronto lol.
@@james_nolanNo, they weren't. The only one with him was Keefe.
i think you mean the soo greyhounds
It took Kyle 3 years on the job before he realized you need grit to win in the playoffs.
GL to you
Farm boy Cowan feels more like a Tree guy than a soft Dubas/Clark guy to be honest.
Should we be looking at tampering here? Runs the Leafs’ draft and a week later he’s the Penguins VP of player personal? Sounds like something would have been in place for awhile here.
If Treliving is smart he will trade Matt Murray to Dubas Pens and also send Robertson there too
Loyalty to whom ? What type of Loyalty?
Two types of loyalty to those who are loyal to you and the all mighty dollar!
Then there is figurty loyalty say all the right things but when a better offer is presented you are gone!
These words and terms are like a revoling door.
Loyalty meant something years ago !
Lastly blind loyalty follow and lead blindly ,dumped on while others move past you with less knowledge experience while you are appeased with words like hard worker dedicate goes the extra mile only watch the parade pass you buy.
You are loyal to those and others that show you the same and respect that you have demonstrated and shown towards them
Damn, pens gonna be drafting small skilled guys for the next 10 years. Malgin type of trade will happen too.
Clark had to rely on a whole team Leaf scouts who do the leg work.
So where’s the draft picks coming back to Toronto for patching Clark? Why is it that the Leafs have to pay former teams, or are unable to use like Tre at last years’ draft, unless the Leafs pay draft picks or something?
What? That was never a discussion that the Leafs needed to give CGY draft picks before they would let Tre be at the Leafs draft table. Who told you that?
Teams can poach staff from other teams for free, the team gets no compensation.
@@CrimsonicStorm never meant Calgary other than he couldn’t be at the draft table. I am referring to the requirement to ask permission tot speak to an employee under contract and the past practice of having to pay compensation if you poached an employee from another team. As far as I know Clark was still under contract.
@@robm9999 You dont need to pay compensation in terms of draft capital, to teams for poaching staff. It does not exist whether they still have a contract or not. All that happens in this case would be Wes Clarks contract with the Leafs gets destroyed, and he now is on the contract that the Pens have given him. He gets no more paychecks from MLSE and no gets them from the Pens.
@@CrimsonicStorm yes I’m aware. It used to be the case you paid compensation. Oilers paid to hire a fired Peter Chicarelli, leafs did to hire both Babcock and Lamorillo. Other examples out there as well. But you do have to ask permission to talk to them if they are under contract, which Clark was. And if Dubas asked before the draft then I think is fair to question if Clark did the Leafs dirty at the draft or not given the relationship between Dubas and the Leafs. Either way, it’s a fair question to ask if Dubas and Clark were communicating prior to the draft. That would be tampering.
@@robm9999 Hes not in a high enough position for anyone to care. I also highly doubt tampering occurred, even if going to Pittsburgh was talked about at the draft, he still had obligations to the Leafs and drafted the best D man available. I also doubt that he "did the Leafs dirty" at the draft. He has an entire staff, along with Tree and Shanny who are in on drafting players, hes not just making picks all on his own, so it wouldn't be possible to throw the Leafs draft. People would ask questions "Oh, why do you want him Clark? I thought we wanted that Danford kid or X, Y and Z?" It would be impossible, he doesnt even get the final say on who they draft, its a conglomerate effort. Not only would it be impossible to do (screwing the Leafs draft) but it would be unprofessional and would look terrible on his resume when going to a new job.
Also, lets not act like Clark was a god, he made countless odd draft choices that sometimes worked out and sometimes didn't. Did he ever draft a player that people thought the Leafs would pick? If working for Daddy Dubas means so much to him then bye bye enjoy being with a mediocre team that wont make the playoffs again until they rebuild. Leafs will replace him and be fine.
Can’t understand why Denis Malgin is not a Penguin yet??!!
(Insert Mark Hunter)...
Thank god!!! I don't get why this is devastating. Can someone tell me the last time a leaf rookie was in the running for rookie of the year award??? No...noone? How many cups have we won....0!! Scouting department has been horrible! Don't wanna hear about any players until they've done something in the NHL.
How about Auston Matthews? He won the Calder Memorial ( Rookie of the Year) in 2017. You a new Leafs fan?
@@bloodwillrunthestreets5205An infant would’ve drafted Matthews.
@NotaGabeItch that year some pundits liked Laine more than Matthews. How many times has the 1st pick be unanimous to crash and burn.
@@NotaGabeItchAre you an infant¿??
@@Make-CanadaGreat-AgainAnd look what Laine turned into 3 years into his career. He's one-dimensional and not very good. Matthews is a generational player.
Wes did seem a little fishy in his last Leafs interview. Just like Spezza, he’s never welcome back to the city.
Yep. As flat as a pancake. He couldn’t wait for the interview to end.
Daddy Dubas 👀
Nick has used the phrase " It's the definition of insanity" (regarding rolling back the core 4) in every single show for the past years. So in essence he is saying the MLSE brass are all insane. And he will say the whole next season doesn't count except the POs in every show. It's always the same rhetoric with Nick .
The guy is right. He's telling truths that some don't wanna hear. What more is there to prove in the regular season? A presidents trophy?
Beside Easton Cowan, who is un proven, who else did he draft that has turned out to be a valuable NHL er ? No loss here in Leaf land, draft pics are a crap shoot at best
Wes Clark hasn't drafted shit and Cowen isn't NHL proven yet. But I do like the Cowen pick. But I see this as a win for the Leafs.
He has only been running the draft since 2021, so it's too early. But so far Knies, Minten, Cowan, Danford plus a bunch of later picks that are coming like Akhtyamov, Grebenkin, Niemela, Hildeby, and promising players like Chadwick and Holinka. There's a bunch more in our system that may play in the NHL as well.
A loss but not a huge one for Toronto. Moving right along.
Staffes😂
Funny why doesn't Dubus take hayley wickenheiser???
Dude you're in every comment talking shit on her. What's your deal.
1. Scouting and developing are 2 different jobs
2. She's locked in for term with Toronto
3. She's working on her residency at the Toronto hospital so she's stuck there for her other job
@@Alexdenomme LOOK bud she got the job cuz she's a women!!! That's all, she jumped over people working their A$$ES of for years in the minors THAT'S MY PROBLEM!! She doesn't deserve the job.
I'm glad he is gone. For the past six years Leafs drafted poorly in the lower rounds.
They can have him. He and Dubas were/are the whole, failures. Not good.
This GREAT news! Clark was using 1st round picks to build his little skilled defence such as Rasmus Sandin & Timothy Liljegren while the rest of the NHL was going after big mobile defensemen. Matthews & Marner were no-brainer picks but other Leaf picks were weak. Clark & Dubas were clearly on the same page. Look at Dubas' first signing in Pitt. - Erik Karlsson which was a disaster. Good riddance Clark. He and Dubas deserve one another.
You're right, Knies, Durzi, Robertson, Cowan, they all look like pretty weak picks lol.
You are so accurate!!
Clark didn't draft Sandin or Lilly
@@james_nolan robertson isnt an nhl player cowan hasnt played at the nhl level yet, where is durzi? knies might be the best pick in the 6 yrs he was here , lets now look at the players the leafs could of drafted but didnt that are doing just fine in the nhl and played from the day they were drafted like schneider looks great in new york
Wes tanked the draft with those shitty picks.
Wes is a loss for the Leafs. Not sure what he's going to do in Pittsburgh though. Like the Leafs, they have very little draft capital. Unlike the Leafs, they are quite old and may struggle to make the playoffs. Again.
God NO!!!
Dubas is the single worst GM in the league by far, so, zero worries.
Not a good look for the Leafs