Great topic that is breaking some people and causing them to take different routes from Holiness route, this topic needs to be taught more in Church with wisdom as many are misinformed about the Word of God and where God stands regarding same sex attraction and same sex relationships.Thank you for your inputs and testimonies
have been so helped by these candid conversations. to me being in christ is so much more even than freedom from sin, though of course that is fundamental. but, also, the righteousness of god in christ jesus opens the door to personal intimate relationship with god through holy spirit.
You guys are gay get over it. It’s not just about same -sex desires , but also our disinterest for the opposite sex, which is the more important component here.
they are not denying anything, I am same sex attracted, but when we give our Lives to Jesus his word tells us we cant act on those desires its not about doing the world does we do what Our heavenly father wants us to do and that is SURRENDER...
@@peraman2022 Just like a man with a physical illness chooses to be defined by how he overcomes that illness, those who deal with same sex attraction choose to be defined by how they overcome the affliction. Someone with same sex attraction doesn't need to identify as 'gay' anymore than a man with cancer has to identify as 'cancer.'
it's interesting in that it seems you guys grew up in more 'red state' kinds of communities/churches, for lack of a better descriptor. in the 'blue state' communities/churches where we raised our sons, they felt free to be as 'masculine' or 'feminine' as they wanted, and are quite a bit older than either of you.
I think that’s a programmed response to be faced with alternatives to your narrow perspective of salvation. It’s as shallow as claiming someone is gay because they have non-stereotypical gendered interests. Congrats you’re the bigot now!
Having gender dysphoria and same sex attraction is a nightmare to have it can be challenging to live church life with this and outside as born again Christian. It feels like having one of the worst and controversial sin issues to have & deal with
Sad that you can't see that God has put you in the world at a time and a place that is able to see that there is room in the kind of relationships for two men together. It was always there but God was aware of the hardness of heart that was in many former generations.
i have a hard time understanding why we don't regard same sex desire in the same light as anything jesus died for, yet many christians still seem to regard as 'ok'. i mean, take fear for instance. how many christians deal with fear on a continual basis, yet repeatedly in god's word and jesus himself say, fear not! seems that might help take some of the bias (this is different than everything else) off of the folks dealing with same sex desire.
Honestly its sad very emotional those stay ne victim oppress never freedom chains from sin after years from hindsight is fleetingtemporary holding sexual immoral identity as the sacrent at the alter
Such horrible metaphor you used ,attraction is not an issue but a lifestyle is what leads to sin,I pray you would the Grace you have for other things you regard as your sins
Former practicing lgbt here now Christian. So glad to see others out there having this conversation.
Thank you for bravely talking about this, its very helpful for us to better understand your position.
Great topic that is breaking some people and causing them to take different routes from Holiness route, this topic needs to be taught more in Church with wisdom as many are misinformed about the Word of God and where God stands regarding same sex attraction and same sex relationships.Thank you for your inputs and testimonies
have been so helped by these candid conversations. to me being in christ is so much more even than freedom from sin, though of course that is fundamental. but, also, the righteousness of god in christ jesus opens the door to personal intimate relationship with god through holy spirit.
You guys are gay get over it. It’s not just about same -sex desires , but also our disinterest for the opposite sex, which is the more important component here.
they are not denying anything, I am same sex attracted, but when we give our Lives to Jesus his word tells us we cant act on those desires its not about doing the world does we do what Our heavenly father wants us to do and that is SURRENDER...
@@PS-ru2ov So you’re still a gay man then unless you also like women? Where does it state that you can’t act on them desires?
@@peraman2022 Just like a man with a physical illness chooses to be defined by how he overcomes that illness, those who deal with same sex attraction choose to be defined by how they overcome the affliction. Someone with same sex attraction doesn't need to identify as 'gay' anymore than a man with cancer has to identify as 'cancer.'
@@peraman2022 The Bible.
@@wheeljack1227 where exactly??
Thank u brothers in Christ to get a better insight what u been through to help u along:)
it's interesting in that it seems you guys grew up in more 'red state' kinds of communities/churches, for lack of a better descriptor. in the 'blue state' communities/churches where we raised our sons, they felt free to be as 'masculine' or 'feminine' as they wanted, and are quite a bit older than either of you.
Something about this feels internalized like they hate themselves idk
I think that’s a programmed response to be faced with alternatives to your narrow perspective of salvation. It’s as shallow as claiming someone is gay because they have non-stereotypical gendered interests. Congrats you’re the bigot now!
Having gender dysphoria and same sex attraction is a nightmare to have it can be challenging to live church life with this and outside as born again Christian. It feels like having one of the worst and controversial sin issues to have & deal with
13:45 Celibacy is not the same as chastity. Celibacy is a lifelong vow to abstain from sexual relations. Chastity is doing so until marriage.
We’re all sinners, we all sin all the time. All equal. I believe the issue is more of desire/craving itself than what form or label it comes in
Some people don't think that their sin is not as bad as others especially straight people who cheat in their marriage
Sad that you can't see that God has put you in the world at a time and a place that is able to see that there is room in the kind of relationships for two men together. It was always there but God was aware of the hardness of heart that was in many former generations.
Amen brothers in Christ:)
If your wanting for a wife to be good with God good luck. Trust Him and live your life
i have a hard time understanding why we don't regard same sex desire in the same light as anything jesus died for, yet many christians still seem to regard as 'ok'. i mean, take fear for instance. how many christians deal with fear on a continual basis, yet repeatedly in god's word and jesus himself say, fear not! seems that might help take some of the bias (this is different than everything else) off of the folks dealing with same sex desire.
There is nothing wrong with it
it reminds identityin Christ Galatians
Honestly its sad very emotional those stay ne victim oppress never freedom chains from sin after years from hindsight is fleetingtemporary holding sexual immoral identity as the sacrent at the alter
exactly our identityin Jesus Christ nothing else now about people make it out identity in worldly thing worldly pleasure
Same sex attraction..is like calling prostitutes sex workers
Wrong.
Such horrible metaphor you used ,attraction is not an issue but a lifestyle is what leads to sin,I pray you would the Grace you have for other things you regard as your sins
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nothing speaking truth in love my brothers in Christ:)
No
well... you are too young to know how it feels being same sex attracted and 40+. I am 100% sure you will sin a different song then
What song will that be?freedom or slavery
If they arent kissing all ssloppy shloppy by the end of this...