Only someone who doesn’t live in “the Levant” could claim that Palestinians in the land don’t ever tell Jews here that they will need to “go back to Europe.” It is common to refer to Jews and the Israeli state as “crusaders.”
I actually didn’t say anything about if Jews here are or are not colonialists/crusaders/whatever. The fact that Palestinians would refer to Israel as a crusader state is more than understandable to me. I pointed out that he is totally off on his reading of the experience, desires, or understandings of many of the Palestinians that live here, and he shouldn’t make ridiculous sweeping statements about Palestinian attitudes that are untrue. It doesn’t help the left, you just come off as out of touch.
Jews bought lands. Majority of Jews from Israel came and were expeled from arab countries and have their lands confiscated. Jews never stoled Arab private lands until 47. Arabs did also inside Israel @@adamclevi
A refreshing change from the subjective dogmatism that is espoused by most "leftists" and their self congratulatory narcissistic" resistance" praxis. Much was intellectually explored from many perspectives but mostly what remained was a sense that - beyond the very easy target of exposing regressive "leftists" - although there was a general agreement of what one was AGAINST in many aspects the political hot potato of clarity of what one is FOR was absent. Yes, the point was made - too tangentially for my liking- that the left of the west must put its own house in order first but it is simply not enough to preface discussion of what that actually means by casually saying "Socialism" in most sentences. I do not hesitate to write that i doubt any of the panellists could reach any semblance of agreement of what Socialism and its necessity is let alone how to set on the road to it . Therein lies the essence of the problem among the "left" especially in the West where there is still far more opportunities to rebuild Proletarian Socialism. Fakhry was on the whole exempted from my criticisms above.
Fakhry made excellent points, especially about the two scenarios of genocide or ethnic cleansing. The left does have a duty, not to make decisions for the Palestinian or Israeli people about their political candidates post-war, but they have a duty to fight against the alt-right policies in the USA that is destroying the left and to chose our own candidates better (preferable ones that are anti-genocide or at least called for a cease-fire).
Sennesh just wishes to leapfrog the Apartheid and colonialism question. Like a group born into 3rd class status and codified as human animals could just automatically benefit from their occupiers "socialism" which they have no way to get to themselves in the first place. Oh where have all the benevolent colonialists gone?
Did not expect to hear about marksism .. I come from soviet union So i have seen communism from inside Not a good idea for US Marks was smart But his idea never came to life No were Its always starts as big bright But ends in dictatorial bunch The problem comes from structure Complex to explain (Long) But For US the problem is the beginning It will 100% collapse into civil war Reason is : In communism idea must come before everything else US has diverse society of ideologicaly incompatible elements The moment you start forcing bigger ideology There will be chaose The worst part is economics 1) how will you take posations from people Distribution - leveling people to equality sounds good in theory But it looks a bit different in reality 2) in communism you have to clean conflicting element This means conflict with religion In islamic world Marksism used as a tool but in the end Communists are converted into islamists Long rote Same end Communism is much more oppressive then it looks Else it collapses If you want to take advantage from Socialism You should learn from israel And china Kibuts is socialistic construct inside capitalistic high hierarchy It works well In chaina They split city of communism city of capitalism The communist cities have high production Capitalist cities have high engineering And business men coalification But If you look at people lives Well You should listen to stories of people that left one city and moved to another Where second was communist Interesting stories.
Only someone who doesn’t live in “the Levant” could claim that Palestinians in the land don’t ever tell Jews here that they will need to “go back to Europe.”
It is common to refer to Jews and the Israeli state as “crusaders.”
It's also common to call a spade a spade, what of it?
You could always just stop behaving like crusaders...
I actually didn’t say anything about if Jews here are or are not colonialists/crusaders/whatever. The fact that Palestinians would refer to Israel as a crusader state is more than understandable to me.
I pointed out that he is totally off on his reading of the experience, desires, or understandings of many of the Palestinians that live here, and he shouldn’t make ridiculous sweeping statements about Palestinian attitudes that are untrue.
It doesn’t help the left, you just come off as out of touch.
Jews bought lands. Majority of Jews from Israel came and were expeled from arab countries and have their lands confiscated. Jews never stoled Arab private lands until 47. Arabs did also inside Israel @@adamclevi
There was a lot of depth in this discussion. Maybe because the panellists were intellectuals and not politicos?
A refreshing change from the subjective dogmatism that is espoused by most "leftists" and their self congratulatory narcissistic" resistance" praxis. Much was intellectually explored from many perspectives but mostly what remained was a sense that - beyond the very easy target of exposing regressive "leftists" - although there was a general agreement of what one was AGAINST in many aspects the political hot potato of clarity of what one is FOR was absent. Yes, the point was made - too tangentially for my liking- that the left of the west must put its own house in order first but it is simply not enough to preface discussion of what that actually means by casually saying "Socialism" in most sentences. I do not hesitate to write that i doubt any of the panellists could reach any semblance of agreement of what Socialism and its necessity is let alone how to set on the road to it . Therein lies the essence of the problem among the "left" especially in the West where there is still far more opportunities to rebuild Proletarian Socialism. Fakhry was on the whole exempted from my criticisms above.
Fakhry made excellent points, especially about the two scenarios of genocide or ethnic cleansing. The left does have a duty, not to make decisions for the Palestinian or Israeli people about their political candidates post-war, but they have a duty to fight against the alt-right policies in the USA that is destroying the left and to chose our own candidates better (preferable ones that are anti-genocide or at least called for a cease-fire).
By "alt-right policies in the USA that is destroying the left", what do you mean?
Studabaker actually managed to completely dwarf Sennesh in utter pablum and banality, incredible achievement.
מה הקטע עם המשקפיים העגולות?
Sennesh just wishes to leapfrog the Apartheid and colonialism question. Like a group born into 3rd class status and codified as human animals could just automatically benefit from their occupiers "socialism" which they have no way to get to themselves in the first place. Oh where have all the benevolent colonialists gone?
I like the dud before ban
Two hours of talking and nearly nothing was actually said.
Did the guy with glasses just compare us balkan peoples with jews? Fml
There are at least 3 panelists with glasses, so that really doesn't narrow it down. Do you have a timestamp?
@@adnanfetibegovic8491 yah, being compared to a Jew is a horrible.
How rude of him.
Did not expect to hear about marksism ..
I come from soviet union
So i have seen communism from inside
Not a good idea for US
Marks was smart
But his idea never came to life
No were
Its always starts as big bright
But ends in dictatorial bunch
The problem comes from structure
Complex to explain
(Long)
But
For US the problem is the beginning
It will 100% collapse into civil war
Reason is :
In communism idea must come before everything else
US has diverse society of ideologicaly incompatible elements
The moment you start forcing bigger ideology
There will be chaose
The worst part is economics
1) how will you take posations from people
Distribution - leveling people to equality sounds good in theory
But it looks a bit different in reality
2) in communism you have to clean conflicting element
This means conflict with religion
In islamic world
Marksism used as a tool but in the end
Communists are converted into islamists
Long rote
Same end
Communism is much more oppressive then it looks
Else it collapses
If you want to take advantage from
Socialism
You should learn from israel
And china
Kibuts is socialistic construct inside capitalistic high hierarchy
It works well
In chaina
They split city of communism city of capitalism
The communist cities have high production
Capitalist cities have high engineering
And business men coalification
But
If you look at people lives
Well
You should listen to stories of people that left one city and moved to another
Where second was communist
Interesting stories.
do yourself a favor and just skip over sennesh's whole blathering section. self-aggrieved nonsense.