A $30,000 Zero Turn! Are Electric Mowers Worth It?!
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The future is now! The Gravely Pro-Turn EV is a fully electric zero turn mower! But the real question: is it worth buying an electric zero turn quite yet?
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I bought a battery powered zero turn, 42" with 6 each 60volt, 8 AH, with a bagger for $4,000. It's an awesome. I mowed around 3 acres and had 78% battery left.
What brand and model?
I'll stay with my 22hp Kohler
Prices are ridiculous!! Not even a option until these are below 15k 🤦🏻♂️
I love the idea, but the prices are unacceptable as it's not really that far off from my 2022 f150 lighting pro. Case in point, GreenWorks 2022 stand-on vs the same 2023 is up $7k.
Cordless electric push mowers are pretty much at cost parity with gas push mowers nowadays including the battery and charger. Soon the same will be said for commercial grade electric riding mowers.
I left after $30,000. I'm not anti electric. Whether a car, mower, whatever. As long as it's reliable, quality, easy to repair, including access to spare parts, and cost is similar or better. That mower's not even a consideration yet.
Can we please agree that electric equipment is not “green”. We still need to produce and recycle toxic batteries and the juice has to come from a reliable source as well. I can only justify this technology for it’s quiet operation and marketing potential.
8/8/21, Point well taken. I don't want an E-car or E-yard machines; if a customer stipulates in their contract what kind of equipment to use, you don't need their business. I have a Gravely ztx42 w/22hp Kohler that I use just for my property. Just the right size/price for my yard.
So let me see. I hear $32,000 for this machine. 12 acres. 200 lbs of batteries. Minimal maintenance, no fumes, quiet machine and maybe less fatigue. Ego Zero Turn. $6,000. 4 batteries. 2 acres. 2 more batteries is $1,000 plus tax. So that should be 3 acres total on 6 10mah batteries. To equal the Gravely without flinching for charging and simply changing out the batteries, we need 18 more batteries for the Ego. Close to $10,000 more just for the zero turn. So we are just under $20,000 for an Ego. Is it worth carrying 18 more batteries around all day if you have close to 12 acres to do most of the time? I have not seen the build of this Gravely Pro EV but my guess is it is very well constructed. That said, minimizing yanking batteries and having less downtime is attractive to me. I do not yet know how much each 50 pound battery costs. But I will. Thanks very much.
@@ArtOfHealth _If you mow for a living get the gravely ev or the toro electronic zero turn. Residential go Ego._
No
One step at a time.....the world it turning to solar and a close loop of recycling batteries...
Yes we have to mine minerals now but eventually not..
Look into "Redwood materials" they are leading the way in recycling batteries
We can't agree because your knowledge is outdated.
We are very close to being able to get lithium from seawater and other sources very easily instead of mining for it. Also, there are countless other battery technologies that are better, cleaner and safer coming out very quickly, battery tech is exploding right now.
As far as lithium batteries are being recycled and they are building more recycling plants every day. Last year the largest lithium recycling plant in North America went into production.
About 20% of electricity in the United States is generated by renewable resources, and that is growing every single day. Myself I have solar panels, so I did have the initial investment, but my house is off-grid and powered by solar most of the time. For almost 2 weeks we have used no backup power. My backup propane generator, which will only be used a few hours a year during the winter months, is STILL more clean burning than coal or natural gas power plants.
So no. We can't agree.
Problem is advancement in tech is happening so quickly. You invest 30k now and In 3-5 years they will probably be so much better you won't want to keep the 30k mower.
This is called indecisiveness and it gets you nowhere. Find what will work the best for you and stick with it. You don’t have to worry about what happens in 3 or 5 years, because the technology and pricing will be negligible and if used for commercial landscaping services, it will have been long paid for and served its duty. Focus on the current market at hand and that’s what you are competing with. If I were a commercial landscaper, I’d probably go with meangreen or gravely for their name alone and you’ll know they’ll have to account for you to keep good ties. Even then, any technological advances will and can be easily implemented into their platforms/chassis for little or negligible cost. Battery’s, Solar, Vibration Reduction Technology, AI, Power Management Systems, Interfacing, Motors, etc.
To be fair, this isn't new tech at all. The application is new, but it's the same tech we've been using for roughly 15 years. Battery life however, will not improve with the current chemistries. If you are wanting electric, might as well buy it now, because the costs will likely go up in coming years, not come down. Lithium itself is getting harder to get and as demand increase, so does cost. The biggest issue is the batteries. Physics is physics. Every battery has a cycle rating. Most usually sit around 1000 cycles for optimal operation, after which you will see degradation. Some are higher and some are lower, but that's about average. If you are fast charging it will reduce the cycle life. The upside with a mower is that you won't be using it during the winter (if you live in cold climates) and so save a lot of that cycle life.
The cost of replacement batteries is staggering however. Replacing the batteries will cost more than an equivalent gas or diesel engine. You can rebuild cells, but unless it is an experienced shop that uses quality cells, the results are often lack luster.
He gave fairly direct and honest answers to the hard questions, definitely respectable.
Yeah was thinking the same, plus the dude wasn't trying to sell it the whole time
Love Josh for that ✅❤️
Wow that’s crazy $30,000 you could buy a car almost for that what size mowing deck was it I like the idea of electric but they got to make the pricing more competitive because within A couple of years that model will be obsolete that’s the way technology is it’s moving faster than people can keep up with it
30 k for a battery mower is just to insane. If people want lawn care owners to switch to battery at least make the price lower or competitive to gas. Maybe like 2 or 3 k more not like 15 k more
no cheaper than a gas mower then this can change fast. there is a crazy mark on these mowers
I won't believe 2000 charge cycles until I see it. What do the batteries cost and what % of mower cost are they? I've thrown away perfectly good cordless tools because a pair of new OE quality batteries cost almost the same as I could buy a new tool with 2 batteries and a charger. Battery powered tools have a history to overcome. I don't have any issue with battery powered cars or tools, but it's disturbing to me that they are being forcefully implemented with a one size fits all approach.
$30,000 ??? Good Grief. I'll live with the sound of the Gas fired engine.
I would never pay $30 grand for any lawn more.
Gas and diesel engines are not going anywhere. You can't retain the run time. He said 3 hrs great what do you use after lunch??
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The landscapers have to invest thousands in tools but customers expect the same price 10 years ago here is the biggest problem
Ok, The Client insists I use an EV ZTR. To cover my capital investmnet, then cost to cut 1 acre goes from $30/$40 , to $250/$300. The customer wants me to use only All Electric Mowers? OK, , payup Sport!
Wow $30,000 , I go By 4 mowers for that Price . Haha 👍
I want an Exmark 30 with a big battery.
It’s nice machine and I don’t mean to hate, but batteries are not “green” tons of pollution is created to mine lithium. Diesel is still more efficient, and cleaner. And it’s always a horrible marketing scheme to say think of “how much you’ll save”, no show me 30k.
For 30k I can buy two exmark 60” WITH bagging system
Sure, operating costs are low but repair costs are going to be insane. Batteries won.t last more than 3 years with the most gentle use and replacement costs will be obscene. When you discharge a battery to 10% of its initial charge battery life really tanks. 4 hours of run time is terrible for a commercial mower. These guys are banking that battery technology will get better to make this machine more attractive. That has not happened yet. And who is going to work on them besides the dealer? The sophisticated electronics that go into the motor drives are going to break and that is just a fact of life.
Should have looked into green machine mowers!
It does not make good sense to buy this mower. They are going to regret the cost and there will be tears from these high cost mowers. What is the price of one battery?
It's a start! As the years go by, the tech will get better and the price will drop. I love the idea.. So sick of the loud noise all day. Even with the ear protection it still sucks.. I already switched to battery for my hedge trimmers and so far so good. Hope to be all battery one day.
Hey Mike, I'm brand new and 18 years old do you recommend I purchase the first course you put out or the current one you are working on
Six acres per hour.
If you pay 30k for a mower. Then the repairs are going to reflect the cost of the product!!! Don’t be fooled. This isn’t the titanic.. also, when those blades kick on, its noisy.
Pretty nice unit
12 acres wouldn’t even let me finish a 20 acre park. Maybe in 5 years
Annual Maintenance Cost for a mow It's only a few Dollars for the season , But $30000. This guy is out of his mind take that mow to California.
Battery tech is not there yet. Lithium battery is its biggest weakness. The Lithium battery degrades over time and are expensive to replace. Wait for Solid State batteries to come out. Solid State batteries is the savior of EV and is the future.
he is right
this guy didnt 100% know what he was talking about as far as run time, My electric mower is rated at 10 acres ( green works 52" stander) and runs 5-7 hours, I know thats a big range but it depends on how hard the electric motors are working. This mower rated at 15 acres should be capable of over 7 hours easily. also as far as longevity the batteries are going to give you 5 years of hard commercial use before they start under performing to the point you will want to replace, the rest of the mower needs almost no maintenance in that time frame. Btw my green works was only 13K and is great for commercial applications.
Great Video Mike! Very interesting..
You Have to go mow a church when they are having service if they're looking for quiet mow .😜👍
Brilliant strategy 😅😇
@@MikeAndes you were there on it, what was the sound reduction when actually blades running mowing because that's most of the noise when on any mower?
Why didn’t you give the guy a mic?
I would blame Danny to give him a hard time 😂
But honestly, we weren’t planning to make this video. It was spare of the moment once we were there
"We filmed this video on a whim, so I only brought a lav mic for Mike. We only decided to shoot this after chatting with Josh about the mower for a bit. So it just turned into a learning opportunity for future videos :)"
-Danny
Great content mike
Short man
In California you are not allowed to use a leaf blower anymore. That mow will do good there. Soon you will not be able to talk In the streets Or make Any Noise . In Democrat States.
What area? I've never been told anything for using a leaf blower
@@bigchungus920 all Over California . They have crazy laws
I'm really psyched about going electric when the price comes down and the reliability goes up. The new administration is killing me with gas prices already. I can see us transitioning our stick equipment first and then mowers when it becomes more feasible. I think the stick equipment is just about there
look into Greenworks ztrs the price is already down
@@kelkev85 appreciate the tip.... I've seen them and it's intriguing but I don't think they're heavy duty enough to hold up to what we would put them through. We use these for massive HOAs with big acreage. Everything else we do is grandstand mowers
@@allphaselandscape I hear you they have their limitations thats true, I use them for small/ medium residential, in my area im the only one who uses all electric equipment and if you have the market for it they can really be a good selling point.
Great video Mike !!! Enjoying the daily content!! Keep it up.
For that price go buy a Tesla for$ 30,000
This guy has no clue , machine is rated for 3000 hrs. Batteries 7000 hrs still
Have 80%
Good interview. He is correct about this being the direction things are going. We will see more and more tax credits as incentive.
Tesla’s have batteries and the cars are affordable. These mowers are ridiculous.
Would you rather have a Tesla or the mower????? I’ll take the mower 😂😂😂😂
mowers gonna have the same term limits as financing a car here soon
10:40 actual friggin minutes in after all the blah blah blah we actually get to see the damn thing working
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Thank goodness! 😀
Ego=4k VS grave=30k. 7-8 egos will make more money guarantee.
This is going to be a sale for guys doing municipalities or those very very few who are in quiet zones or green zones requiring this type of equipment. However I do believe gravely has lost their mind on bringing this product to market at this MSRP. I'm sure the cost to produce this machine is incredible still. But again, mean green, and smaller handhelds and push mowers have already been on the market for years and are seeing very little traction in the grand scheme of things. The only reason anyone is really picking these up is due to government regulations at this point. And 30k, thats an entire crew set up price for most contractors. It's cool. But will collect a lot of dust on showrooms.
This is brand new technology. And is being rolled out fairly quickly. Like any new tech, price is premium but that will come down as products get sold and more mower competition.
Hopefully the price will drop in the future as we turn into a green city ,
Since your stimulus check came in. every time comes in save up for one lol
$30,000? Gravely is friggin nuts, looks nothing like a Tesla, I'll keep my diesel kubota that uses 5 gallons of fuel in 2 months mowing 3/4 acre twice a week
Well it’s good to know the technology is there, the price will follow soon.
I'm getting one as soon as I can afford it, you can't beat battery power in my mind, disadvantages of a combustion engine are numerous. I'm partial to mean green mowers.
If i was gonna give 30k for a mower it sure wouldn't be a gravely their cut quality is awful. Ive had customers almost quit me over the way my gravely's cut when i had them and how many yards you gonna mow before that thing goes dead. Id rather buy 3 $10,000 gas mowers.
No. Great future but at the cost……I will never out profit my gas mowers. The only way I’d buy into this at 30k is if I could not get gas at all, and then of course my truck would have to be electric. I’m 64 if I put 100k into an electric truck and mower….id never break even. Id make more money to retire.
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Do I pay off the house or buy a mower pay off the house not much more to pay off the house🏡 $46,000😂
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See vibration is not good for the batteries. all those little contact points bouncing around. we don't driving on smooth roads like a Tesla, that is running around the same price and screw Gravely for this crazy price. total B.S. you can by a mini electric truck fully loaded with a dump bed for ten grand road legal. they are creating this green narrative and then hitting the working man. shame on you Gravely. I Have two of your Mower 252z and 260z i wont buy again. the only good thing is the noise reduction. the run time sucks. should be able to charge and run 20 hard hours. 5 hrs don't work. Don't these people know how we work. don't buy the first Gen the batteries will not last. GREEN MOWING,MINING FOR BATTERIES SO RICH WHITE PEOPLE CAN FEEL GOOD.
$30,000 for a mower is crap!