They need to learn nothing. It was their plan to flog as much non-Super GPUs as they can. When the demand lowered, they introduced Supers, to sell them to those, who had not take the bait yet. It is a clever business strategy. And we are all it's victims.
It took me a second to get it but once I did, pretty clever. Also ironic considering the similar performance from what I've seen. I would never buy a card for the price that I could build a functioning PC.
Not to mention that you are only getting 16gb vram for 1000bucks when AMD gives that 16 gb with their 500 $ 7800xt. These gpu's will have almost the same life span for that reason alone
@@1vaultdweller Don't forget their 7600 (XT ?) card for $300 and 16gb vram lol Edit: This comment didn't age very well considering what the 7600 XT is worth and it's performance.
I disagree. A good oled 4K tv is by far the best purchase you can make to make your games look better across the board. You don't need to reach 4K for that to be true, and more games than you'd think will still reach 4K60 just fine. Not only that but certain high end TV will display 60fps content with the motion clarity equivalent of 130+fps on a normal lcd, with no tricks like fake frames that adds input lag. A 1440p monitor will end up requiring more GPU power for the same visual experience.
Bottom line is if they continue on with these high prices is that sales will continue to be sluggish ….not many gamers can afford these cards especially with these economies that we’re currently in
The consumer graphics card segment isn’t their primary profit center. Also, if you’re in the US you can’t really complain of the current state of the economy.
@@vextakes 2,4kg is considered a bit on the heavier side on gaming laptops. Nvidia gotta do something about the weight. Maybe cut the tdp or introduce a efficiency mode. Anything to cut down the weight.
@@TripleSSSz It'll start sagging if you don't put support under it. Besides, if they lowered the tdp, they could make it cheaper too by using less expensive components, less expensive cooling, etc. And it could fit into more cases
@@DaGreenDestroyer "Solid card today for casual 1080p" it does 720p/low settings at 30fps with FSR, if it can even launch the game. A simple Google search or RUclips search, would've said that. A 3060 is a pretty decent 1080p card but even then it's not perfect. the 750ti doesn't even have driver support anymore lol, where did you happen to get this information? Straight from the arse? Some of you people are delusional, yes GPUs are more expensive but you people act like it's a completely different world. You see the past with rose colored glasses and that's coming from someone that used to own a 1080ti. Believe it or not, wayyyyy more people want PCs to play games on than in 2015 and price reflects that.
I had to decide between the two... AMD RX 7900XTX or RTX 4080 Super I immediately made up my mind and purchased the RTX 4080 Super. When I saw the card and compared the size of it with my brothers card (RTX 4070), his GPU looked so small compared to the RRX 4080 Super that I purchased. Plus, the performance is so noticeable, it's huge. I am so happy that I didn't went with AMD really eventhough their VRAM on their RX 7900XTX is 24GB. Nvidia still have a lot of features that I can and will use that AMD doesn't have. I don't regret my decision that I have the RTX 4080S now. Brother also want to upgrade to the RTX 4080S now lol 😂😂😂Lots of games that he couldn't reallt maxed out that I could without even flinching lol 😂😂😂 Great video bro. This RTX 4080S is a huge card and a beast. Yeah, yeah, price is still high but it is what it is. Nvidia = Gamers/Content Creators with affordability AMD = Gamers on a Budget that wants more FPS and price/performance. But let me tell you, in the years to come, the markets will get worse lol 😂😂😂That being said, that the RTX 50 Series and AMD RX 8000 Series will be more expensive than these cards that's currently on the market. Only those with affordability will be able to purchase the latest GPUs in the years to come. So, if you have a GPU, appreciate what you have 😂Don't break your head to upgrade unless you really need to
Paid 600 in total for my 7800xt red devil, absolutely love the card but that was the limit I set myself, theres no reason to spend a used car on a graphics card, I agree
For quite a long time, the enthusiast-level GPUs were $600. Spending $1000 on a GPU sounds like insanity to me. The difference between the 4080 Super and the 7800 XT was around 20 fps at 1440p. You could save $500 by lowering a couple of graphical settings that are going to be barely noticeable anyway.
1000 is too much but lets bot bullshit ourselves. The 4080 super is same/better as a 7900xtx its an incredibly powerful gpu much more powerful than 7800xt and 4070ti super
@@anthonykargoglou7205 wait until the AMD brand loyalty guys come and tell you that the XTX is faster in rasterization by 0.5% in 2 titles and act like the 4080S is garbage
@@sinAnon6689 Exactly. The commenters above are missing the point. It's not that the 4080S is not powerful; it is. The problem is that accepting that its performance is worth $1000 means that Nvidia could release a 5080 next year with double the performance for $1500. Someone could say that it's twice the performance for a 50% price increase. Would that make it a good deal? At what time do we stop accepting Nvidia's marketing logic?
I don't understand why some of these games even have ultra mega settings. even a 4090 cant handle (get 60fps) some of the top settings, and its the literal fastest gpu
@kellerflanagan3404 It's not like people won't be playing a game in 4 years on the 6090ti super. They probably won't care that they can get even better visualls replaying an older game.
@@I.C.Weiner thats assuming nvidia still makes consumer products by that point, we might get 50 series but after that i highly doubt theyll give a shit
Quality of your streams has been steadily increasing. Good reporting. No fanboying or overused hype, no massive redistributed "leaks" or other nonsense. The sample card is well earned. Integrity is a good starting point.
Yeah, It kinda annoy when people say modeling when then talk about rendering with Cycles. Eevee view-port performance is good on AMD GPU so the modeling is not affected at all. As well as rendering project with Eevee. It is really only about Cycles rendering. On top of that if we turn on variable sampling and OIND then the difference between Nvidia and AMD almost completely go away. Because we end up bottle-necked by the computer itself not the GPU. It is mostly why I got two computer to render instead of a faster GPU. We compared with somebody I know, two computer with 6700xt inside were able to match his 4090 render time. Common Blender benchmark aren't going to tell you that though. They don't use OIDN or Variable sampling and do not tell how much time was wasted by the computer itself while doing the scene prep, compositing and de-noising step.
@@leucome Just as with video editing, of what the GPU is handling, the vram quantity and speed are more important than anything else for modeling, even then when I had my 6950xt it would run out 64gb of ram way before scene geometry got anywhere near impacting gpu performance.
I spent around 800 on my 7900XT. Still overpriced but I wouldn't go any higher than that. I can play pretty much any game at native 4K without an issue, and frame gen means I max out my LG C2's refresh rate. So overall I'm happy with it.
I got a 7900 xtx for 1090$ and I only use it for vr games and so far every game I played stayed at 90-120 fps even on ultra settings in virtual desktop or max resolution 120 hz on the oculus app
@@vadnegru yeah dude oculus has the your device doesn't meet the minimum requirements problem everytime I try to connect with airlink the graphics look like shit but with link cable or virtual desktop it's amazing
Nah, I just ordered my 4080S and it's for high fps 1440p. Zero interest in 4k and I rarely use ray tracing. I considered the 7900xtx but I'm a big fan of dlss quality mode when available (which puts the 4080S over the top performance-wise as I don't like to use any other upscaler) and I have power draw considerations that also favor the 4080S.
Reducing Ray Tracing - which completely overhauls lighting and drastically improves atmosphere/visuals - to just "better reflections" is a certified AMD cope moment.
I kinda agree, but it will be more than just 3 games, soon. I suspect all the new games will be terribly optimized like Alan Woke and Starfield and CP, from now on. That's if these game-makers even care anymore about making games that people actually like.
@@spinbyep and amd drivers ares less good then nvidia, I.m not trash talking the 7900xtx make 10 raw tflop of more then 4080super for a bit less performances
Wow.. NVidia have been handing out these cards like candy... it would have been better if they put the card at a more realistic price. I could afford it (just) but I just can't justify spending that much. A lovely card marred by unrealistic pricing.
Considering the same. But having just a 1440p monitor and playing almost everything with capped fps means if i upgrade, i can enjoy everything for the next 4-5 years upwards with no hesitation. So the invest in long term is ok - considering power consumption over amd is another thing - it will sum up over a few years on my electricity bill (germany) even if it isn't balancing the investment at all ... i'm so undecided since it wouldn't break my bank now, but giving nvidia +1k for their shitty price policy just makes me feel bad. Dunno. 😢
well if your total PC budget is $3000+ dollars buying a $1000 dollar GPU is a little less crazy. it's only one third the total cost . and that is my budget (about 3,000) bassically i broke my budget down like this 1/3: Main computer parts ryzen 7800x3d CPU $ 370 x670 Mainboard $220 Thermaltake Tower 500 Case $170 Be quiet! CPU cooler $100 Be quiet! Case fans $50 Corsair DDR5 6000 ram $130 Total = $940 2/3: Storage and sound 4TB Gen 4 NVMe M.2 SSD 1 : $225 4TB Gen 4 NVMe M.2 SSD 2 : $225 4TB 2.5 sata SSD $200 8TB HDD $100 Creative Labs AE-5 sound card (because i love me some good audio) $140 total : $890 3/3 Graphics RTX 4080 Super $1,000 Overall total pre tax : 2,830 After Texas sales tax (.0825): 3,064 (rounded up the change) now i could go with less storage to cut that budget way down, but i got tons of stuff to eat up that storage ,my current system only sports 4 tb (2tb m.2 ssd and 2tb HDD) and even with that much i'm juggling stuff all the time. essientally the 2 m. drives i plan on storing the bulk of my newer games and the OS, games like Hogwarts or cyberpunk , or alan wake 2. the 2.5" Sata SSD wil store mostly games that are slightly older that don't require super fast drives, but still eat a large capacity to store, things like Doom 2016 or fallout 4 for example . while lastly the 8TB HDD will store stuf like pictures , videos , music , Documents much older "retro" games , 3ds max renders /models ect ect. stuff that typically doesn't eat much space on it on but builds up to many GBs when you get alot of them together. for example my music collection is over 30 GB's , my artwork folder is over 70 GBs. but i digress point is when i consider my total budget for my pc the 4080S (which i already ordered, as when you see one at MSRP you have to jump on it) is the lesser cost of the total. glad i ordered the 4080 Super already , because now just a week later i already don't see it at MSRP any more. now i just need to get most of the rest of my PC , (i already got the case tho)
I just wanna say that I applaud you for pronouncing niche the correct way. Every time I hear people pronounce it nitch it feels like sandpaper on my ears lol.
it's interesting, I finally went and bought a 4080 Super yesterday after spending an awful amount of time trying decide between the 4080 and 7900 XTX and for me the question mark of VR performance still wasn't answered regarding the AMD cards. I know improvements have been made but I hear the 4000 series still does a better job. RT for me, is a nice bonus so hopefully I'll be happy with my decision when the card arrives
I was looking into this, and it really seems like all the issues are gone. When comparing 4070 super and RX 7800 XT, the 7800 for less money outperformed the 4070 super specifically on vr
@@generalagony yeah it's a good card, it depends on what you're upgrading from though, this was from a rtx 2080 so a very large jump for me. it really depends on what you want from a card though. It was pricey and some people are saying the AMD cards have sorted their issues, sadly first impressions stick and the internet is a bit of an echo chamber
Straight up I have been saying the same thing. The 40 series GPUs are branded as 4K cards but that is with DLSS enabled. The 40 series GPUs are awesome for 1440P native gaming.
I totally have the money to buy a 4090 but on principle I refuse to pay twice of what a consol costs on a gaming gpu, 1000$US is obscene to spend on one part of a gaming PC, that was my iron rule so Nvidia had to stay on the shelf for my latest build.
I know nvidia won't see this comment, but I'm going to tell them here and now anyway: I will only buy the RTX5080 only if it launches at $800 or less MSRP!
With the cost of a computer of 2-3k $, you saved $ 200 and deprived yourself of DLSS (this is important for those cases where there is no FSR), adequate FG and most importantly RT ... There is a proverb: A miser pays twice Although there are advantages: likes and approval of the same miserly fanatics)))
@@MagnumXL420 Afmf? Which turns off the generation when the camera is rotated? afmf does not work as well as dlss fg, and fsr3 is supported in 3 games so far and it has problems in the hud area. Yes, even FSR2 works noticeably worse than DLSS3. I would rate all these technologies like this dlss 4.5/5, fsr 4/5 dlss fg 4.5/5, fsr3 3/5, afmf 2/5 nvidia rt 4/5, amd rt 2/5 The devil is in the little things
@@Aleksey-vd9oc you seem to be assuming that people aren't able to make conscious deciscions buying PC parts, e.g. GPU's, like what performance, features you get with one brand/model vs the other? Just because you value DLSS or more specifically RT higly that you get with Nvidia doesn't necessarily mean another one does, and with this he/she valued the AMD 7900XTX as the better option.
@@daflipflopYes, I believe that the steretypes formed by bloggers prevent people from making the right decision. I know that dlss+fg is worse than native frames, but in my estimation it is 4.5/5, while fsr+fg(amfm) is 3/5. As a result, I can play with RT/PT on my 4080 (with a slight decrease in quality), but the owner of 7900xtx cannot. I perfectly understand people who don't need RT/PT in principle. But there are people who appreciate RT/PT graphical improvements, but they get a bad experience on amd, and they think that the same thing happens on nvidia.
really sad that in the span of 7 years we went from top of the line gpus for 699 to 2100 and the problem is newer games will render the 4 series obsolete really fast
That's because top end shifted from multi gpu to single massive GPU. 7 years ago power targets, cooling and everything but die size pointed more towards say a 1080ti being more inline with a 4070ti than with a 4090 or even 4080. Die sizes are smaller because the silicon costs 4x as much or more than it did 7 years ago.
As a 3080 10gb owner, it's surreal seeing the next 4080 become this high end option that I'd never pay for. Even the size of it makes it seem so alien, like a giant, expensive pick up truck vs a sedan. The 80 class vibe is all bougie and compensating now. 700$ is pretty much the cut off for any card I'd buy in the near future, once I start seeing prices close to 800$, all I can see is a ripoff.
paired my non super 4080 with a i5-13600k with no complaints or issues, for gaming only the i5-13600k is king for intel side of things, GN gave it the most well rounded CPU crown...goal was 4k60hz Ultra gaming, and it was achieved :D GG
17:26 I can't believe the 12VHPWR connector which nVidia put with their cards is actually a shipping product and not a crude prototype for testing . Immediately replaced mine with a Corsair modular cable for my new 4080 Super
I play every game in 4k graphics on the highest settings with a 4080 super/ ryzen 7 7800x3d combo. The 4080 super is amazing and will last into the ps7 era easily. Even the ps6 gpu is still weaker then the 4080 super.
Nvidia is absolutely gouging because they don't have the same incentives they used to.... but people need to get with the idea that these cards are made primarily from parts found in literally only one area of the planet... that it takes a butt ton of work from design to getting installed in your computer... and that in the last 4 years in the U.S. the currency is worth 15 to 20% less than it was 4 years ago due to covid and terrible fiscal policy from the U.S. and many other countries in the world have the same problem. If you want that 500$ card or that 2.25$ gallon of milk elect lawmakers that don't inflate the currency so fast and spend so much in deficit that literally EVERYTHING is hard to afford for regular people. If anyone says this video or topic isn't political they are just wrong. Even at a 15% inflation rate based on the price of the 3080 the 4080 "should" cost 920$ and that is under estimating. And... if China moves on Taiwan.... we will need better coders not cheaper graphics cards because we sure as shoot won't be getting any. I am not defending this pricing they did take a small amount more margin but like realistically they took another 10% margin or that 250 ish on the final retail cost of the product. Sure, they saw everything else going up and covid and decided to raise the knob just a little more than the literally had to... but when you factor worldwide and American inflation in... it's comparable to a standard generation to generation price increase.
NOTHING. Even no discount if you look at market prices. You can buy either one if it is cheaper than the other 80 card. Because there is ZERO difference. NVIDIA basically released a "price cut" but in a "new" product.
Even though it ultimately doesn't matter sitting inside my opaque case, I *really* wanted a 4080S FE. The card is just beautiful. Sat in queue for an hour, got to the head of the queue, then it told me to log in (while I was already logged in), kept screwing up saying incorrect name/password (it wasn't), so I finally just decided to check out as a guest. Submit all info, select Paypal, then when I go to review my order...nothing in my cart (of course). Exact same thing that happened when I tried to buy a PS5 on launch night from Target and Walmart (then I ended up getting one from Sony and one from Best Buy randomly the next day). Anyway, right now I have an MSI 4080 Ventus, because it's one of the smaller cards. I think it's the next-smallest compared to the FE. The card itself is a beast, but I purchased it at a very odd time. I wanted a 4K (or at least 4K DLSS Quality which renders at 1440p)/60 capable card for Dragon's Dogma 2, and my 3080 was not it. My current CPU is a heavily overclocked 9600K...yeah, it's old and it's holding the card back, but I wasn't going to upgrade until Arrow Lake, or the newer X3D chips arrive. Whichever happens first. Nvidia even had the 4090 back on their site for $1,600 for like a few minutes the night before these launched too. I would have rather picked up one of those, but what can you do? This 4080 should be good enough until the 60 series.
We really need to define what "Better" means and for what value. FPS doesn't always tell you the story nor does a feature like RT or DLSS/FSR. Every gamer is different, but we can all agree that we are looking for the best bang for our buck especially now that GPUs are so expensive this generation as compared to previous ones. DLSS for example is a superior product, but if you played a game in real time could you spot the difference between FSR? The answer is yes if you are pixel peeping, but less so if you are just playing the game at least that is what I think. You are on the right path here questioning is it really worth getting a $1000 graphics card in today's market knowing the next generation is around the corner 10 months from now. Or what does this $1000 card do for you that a $5, $6 or $700 can't. For now you can have it all if you can afford it (AKA 4090) and having it all may not be worth it in the end if you just buy into the marketing hype behind all of these cards from Nvidia, AMD and Intel. This is a terrible generation for gamers regarding price/performance and I can only hope it will get better as the numbers don't appear to be that great this gen.
I think the thing that would be most noticeable to me with FSR vs DLSS is if one has more shimmering on things like grass but they are probably close in overall image sharpness.
@@saiyaman9000 You can tweak setting on both the monitor and the game settings to knock down the shimmering. It is a small thing, but I just do not notice that for more than half a second, then I just play the game and enjoy myself.
@@jokingtigerdlss looks so much better than fsr it's not even close imo. Sometimes I prefer the dlss sharpening to native even. Fsr is a blurry shimmery mess. Which is why you can't take 4k fps comparisons in videos like this at face value. Yes, the 700€ card gets like -10% s of the same fps at native 4k. But dlss literally gives a 30-50 fps boost to any game and the fsr equivalent just looks bad in comparison. The only reason to buy an NVIDIA card atm apart from superior drivers is dlss and ray tracing if you're into that. And yes, dlss is that good that the price jump is justified if you care about gaming at 4k at a high visual quality with a lot of fps. Simply put, there is no AMD equivalent.
@@feuerbrenntgut Good to know you have no sense and way too much money on your hands. Why would I pay double for upscaling and worse hardware? Ray tracing adds nothing to gameplay whatsoever. It is just preening at this point. If I was creating content for movies and videos I would care, but for gameplay it does nothing. I am sorry you feel the need to defend your choice, which says more about you than me. I buy the best card I can afford and just enjoy my games. Graphics are nice for the first 10 seconds and then after that I just don't care. I focus on the gameplay. AMDs drivers are just as good as Nvidia's drivers. The cards function differently architecturally and so they both have their learning curves. Stop being brand loyal it accomplishes nothing.
gonna get one! currently got a 12gb 3060, its perfect for 1440p but want 4k, i got my pc hooked up to a lg c2 tv so want max performance in my pc, been upgrading all my other components getting ready for it including a ryzen 7 58003dx, h6 flow, 1200w pcu and stuffed it with lian li fans, bit awkward but looks amazing n near silent most the time! can't justify 4090 money but can save to get a 4080 super n not feel completely crazy lol
That red light on GPU is only when you use adapter. When is connected straight form PSU to GPU then light disappears. 🙃. By the way nothing is wrong with your ASUS.
18:00 My ASUS 4090 TUF OC has done the same thing since I got it. Always red light no matter how the cables are plugged in, then when the computer turns on that red light goes off and it runs amazingly.
bought the 4080 a few months ago. I regret it, get the xtx or something cheaper if gaming on 1440p, even the 4090 is not really a great experience at 4k, I bought the 4080 hoping it would be a 4k card and let me tell you, 4k 120hz max graphics gaming is still not really here. I expect the 5080 and 5090 will both be capable of that though.
17:15 that's why you need to get yourself a new PSU that includes a ATX 3.0 cable. It's exactly that connector for your GPU to PSU without any adapter. I use mine from my new PSU bequiet 12m over the Nvidia adapter and it works great. Edit: i had the red light with the adapter as well. It's not that it's a problem initally, but it detects that the adapter and an insufficient power input is used. Dont ask me why or how, i had the same issue with my 4070 super. I used the adapter and 2x 8pin, red light, i found the 600W atx 3.0 cable in the PSU box, switched the cables out, and no red light. In the end, and probably from now on everyone will have to get themselves a new PSU to avoid this cable salad.
i'd love to hear your opinion on 21:9 monitors which are kinda in between 1440p and 4k i guess? also what about VR capability with something like the bigscreen beyond?
Yeah 3440x1440 is a bit above standard 1440p but much easier to run than 4k. However ultrawide 1440p still takes a bit more power to run over standard 1440p but is still worth it.
i am playin on an 38 inch non 4k monitor @ 3840x1600 .. and ye i bought one of those 4080s and i am absolutly happy with it. i come from an 2080 and now i finally can play whatever i want with 144hz and above. Sure it was like 1.100€ but even if i want to sell it in the future, the price will be stable at maybe a loss of 200-300€. I am fine with it c:
I spent $1019.99 on my RTX 4080 and I've never once regretted it. Things a beast and it does exactly what I wanted it to do which is play Destiny 2 PvP at a constant and consistent 240hz in 1440p. I do this on my Asus PG27AQDM OLED monitor and its the best gaming experience I've ever had. When I play games such as Ratchet and Clank or the Destroy All Hunans remakes they run and look gorgeous. I spent over $3k on the PC and I spent a $1k on the monitor and i dont regret literally any of it. When someone trys to "shame" me for spending that much money on my set up it always comes off as such weird behavior to me. I make enough money to be able to spend this kind of money on the things I love and theres nothing wrong with that. I dont try to make people feel bad about playing on 1080p rigs.
Couldn't even get a 4080 super when I tried. No 7900XTX price drop, and I can't forget that $799 sale. So I just bought a 7900XT for $690 with cash back with the amazon card. Seems pretty good to me.
I can buy a console for 350 that plays the same games and looks pretty good for a fraction of the price of a single pc component. Now that's unbeatable price to performance.
As someone who has pretty much moved on to PC gaming for the most part and rarely plays my consoles anymore, I gotta say that I agree. Even at 500 for the most recent PS5 sku, you're getting way better price to performance. The only downside is the game selection is infinitely smaller compared to PC. But if recent games are your jam, you can't go wrong with a console.
Not in all games & when you turn on raytracing you drop below 20 fps..also you don’t have work station capability & nor due you have the features which means 3yrs from now when they start implementing raytracing in more games amd cards will be absolute lol
@@davidfaustino44761) DLSS or DLUS (as it's not supersampling, but rather the inverse) is only available in certain games, and totally useless outside them. 2) Frane Gen is only useful in singleplayer games that are not latency sensitive. It's useless in: Shooters, combat and civilian flight sims, racing sims, rythm games and any game based on fast reactions, like Platformers or certain types of action-RPGs. In some of them it's actually worse than useless, as it increases latency.
i paid 600 cad for an Asus TUF 7700XT OC 12GB, and get 60fps at 1080p Medium (Ultra Textures) with all RT turned on. Its perfectly fine lmao. I just turn AFMF on to smooth it out a bit (60 fps on my 165hz panel isnt smooth enough) and bingo bango, im a happy camper. Avatar came with the gpu and it runs at 120fps with FSR 3 on, all high settings (RT on obviously) I wouldnt pay more than 650 cad for a gpu personally, diminishing returns kick in fast.
I'm building a pc now amd iv decided to buy a cheap 3090 for 550 amd just save money until November December for the 5090 series cards then released... what's the point buying or upgrading to a 4080 super when thay will be out of date in 9 months...
@MrJakku26 of u think about it 1000 for a 4080 super = to £80 a month for 11 months of gaming when u upgrade to a 50 series card as the 4080 super will be out of date.. its really not cost effective in the slightest...and yeah fall of 2025 so December 2024 or January 2025 I can wait a year and save my self 600
This is the most level-headed and realistic review out of all of the 4080 Super reviews. The popular influencers missed the mark big time on this. 60fps is an important threshold and the reviewers missed that. It actually seems to be the most popular Super model. In Canada, all of the 4080 Super SKUs sold out in about 4 hours, including the premium ones like the ROG Strix and Aorus Master. As for video editing, I use Premiere over Resolve, and Premiere has better CUDA support. I bought a 4080 Super right when it launched because my 1660Ti just can't cut it for 4K60 video editing anymore. I feel 1440p is a stopgap resolution (much like 1680x1050 15 years ago) and just jumped to a video card with good 4K support.
I don't think they missed the mark at all, its 3% better than a 4080 at a cheaper price but only in America, the rest of the world are paying 4080 release price money for the 4080S. Its not a bad card its just a meh who cares moment, they should have just dropped the 4080 price to $899 and left it at that.
It just comes down to gaming where you feel comfortable and content. I switched from the 7900XT to the 4080 Super because I wanted to be able to game with RT @ 4K. I love both cards, but the 4080 Super is what gives me what I need. Don't ever let anyone tell you what to think or what they think you need. It's your gaming experience and you deserve what you feel is the optimal gaming experience. 1080p, 1440p, 2160p, whatever it may be.
Optimum has a video that shows the actual power difference between 4080 and 7900XTX. The AMD card requires 200 more watts for the same performance in Overwatch and 100+ watts in a bunch of games. Furthermore when you use the card at less than 100% the NVIDIA card pulls way ahead in terms of efficiency -- probably something to do with the MCM design of RDNA3.
I went for the standard 4080 when I found one for a reasonable price on sale. Because in Australia, the standard 4080 cards go for around $1600-$2000, while the Super series goes for around $1900-2250 and considering it's only a marginal increase in performance over the non-Super cards, it's just not worth it. Also we don't get the FE cards in Australia :/
the rx6600 would probably the same speed or faster than where a 4050 might land performance wise. since its not thatmuch slower than what their calling the 4060 and the 7600/xt as it is.
Yea na. Not paying $2000 for a 4080S when I can get an XTX for $1550, no I don't care about RT and productivity, I'm a gamer. You flipped pretty quick there Vex, amazing what review samples will do.
I have a standard 4080, but as an Indie dev I use it 98% of the time for productivity so in that sense its 100% worth it. For gaming?? More of a tricky sell- even the Super is still ALOT of money :)
It's interesting to see where the 4080 super has landed performance wise but I'm perfectly content with my 7900xt. The extra cost with other components like a CPU that won't bottleneck the GPU to a monitor that can output 4k are things that do get overlooked when talking about the high end GPUs and I'm perfectly happy at 1440p with an IPS panel. My roommate has a 4k tv and maybe because it's not an OLED panel, I honestly have have a hard time telling the difference. TLDR, it would honestly take a whole platform upgrade and new monitor to get the most out of a 4080 super for me and it's not worth the cost for me. My 5800x3d is gonna run till it can't and I'm sticking to it for the next 5+ years.
It seems funny how raytracing is still considered a selling point for Nvidia cards and main reason not to get AMD card instead even though Nvidias performance is barely playable with RT on without help of fake frame gen or else. Yeah 30fps is higher than amd 10fps on same settings, but do you consider 30fps still playable ? xd
In the 12 game 4K average chart at 7:44 the 6700XT is 10 fps behind the 7700XT. Tune the 6700XT past stock 6750XT core clock as if you were overclocking a 6750XT, its the same exact core die and can OC just as high. It will gain 5-10 fps nearly matching the 7700XT on this chart meeting or beating the 3070 Ti if you have good silicon. The premium MSI version or the Sapphire Nitro+ 6700XT can do 2800Mhz+ stable at good temps easily, lesser cards not as high. Great vid, thanks.
the red light on the 4070 ti tuf model lets you know that you have it plugged in. i have the 4080super tuf model it does the same thing. just lets you know that you have the power connector plugged in fully.
@Hexenkind1 not really now you added at a minimum 195 for a really good 850 watt psu. Add that up. 195+ 1050 to be fair for a 4080 super. You're at over 1200. When you can get a xtx for 950. Everyone says if you can get an xtx for 20% cheaper, it's a no-brainer. You would be at 27% the cost over an xtx
The thing about 4k is that as the monitors and technology progresses, it will get cheaper and we will get cheap cards which will have higher performance than 4080ti super with higher vram. This card isnt futureproof with only 16gb for 1k. It will be obsolete within 2-3 years, unless games and pro apps wait up more vram then its even less futureproof.
And still the normalising of overpriced GPUs Why are you comparing $500 cards to a $1000 and telling us we are getting good value for money because the $1000 is better? Have people really become this gullible? What exactly are you trying to prove with this video? $1000 is obscene for a GPU. And quite simply of you're not onboard with that then you're not on the side of the consumer, you on the side of greed.
To be honest if you're not on a xx90 you should not even think about 4k. Its more like xx60 for 1080p, xx70/80 for 1440p, xx90 for 4k. But even with the refresh i still think this gen is still "buy the xx90 or fuck you"
Man if that were to be true about that 8000 series gpu(which would be wild to think about) I could end up buying that as it'll finally make me go back to AMD(when they used to be called Ati).
I paid around that much tax included for my GTX 1080ti. It was worth but only because that was an anomaly. Prices should have stayed below, similar to 90 series.
Yep, that's why I skipped 40 series. Cost one thousand dollars just to be able to use RT on new games without that blurry upscaling tech. Hopefully the 50 series cards will actually be able to do RT native resolution for $600.
i don't even know who's more nuts Nvidia asking a 1000$ for not even top of the line GPU, or people like you who hope, that Nvidia will drop prices to a reasonable amount
@@1ancevance They probably wont drop prices but they will be increasing the performance next gen by much more than this super refresh so a $600 5070 will probably match or beat a 4080.
Its worth it to me as i play a ton of RT games. I also do VR which the dual encoders provides great stability. Furthermore, i use the streaming media upscaler and auto hdr (valled VSR). AMD is great for saving money for pure raster. For everyone else, these cards make more sense. I can afford to buy a card with these extra features and i will never knock anyone who doesnt.
I have the pre super 4080 and I'm so glad the super didn't get any better. Once you're done weeping over the 1200 dollar price, it's a fantastic gpu. I've been hearing about lots of driver problems with the 7900 series which is weird because my only experience with Radeon was the 6600xt which was pretty trouble free.
I say save the money by not buying the uber expensive graphics card and get more games with the money you saved. I like to play the games not walk around and look at things in the distance for glitches. I just don't think it is that important to the gameplay or replay value. I do not understand why a game has to run at 4k 1000fps to be playable. That is just a measuring (you know what kind) contest at that point.
I don't believe I would call 21 FPS (Ray Tracing) more for the 4080 VS the 7900 XT a blood bath, more like a small win. We have VERY different meanings of the word "Blood Bath", and at a $300 price difference I wouldn't even call it a small win.
Nvidia costs more, but is worth more. It's better at productivity, raytracing, upscaling, video encoding, efficiency ect. People like to ignore all of the things Nvidia GPUs do better than AMD, then somehow equate AMD to being the same value as Nvidia but cheaper. AMD is cheaper for a reason.
what you gonna produce with Nvidia? Be serious, only GPU from Nvidia that worths all that is rtx 4090... Who ever has real need for all that will get 4090, it makes no sense to get anything less. 4070 super draws like 30w less than 7800xt, costs 100$ more, how many years for that 100$ to pay off ?
40 Super series are what the regular 40 series should have been to be considered a decent generation. at least Nvidia kinda learned
First it was increasing the VRAM, then it was decreasing the price 🤔
I dont know why they didn’t give a super version of 4060 class would have been great
They need to learn nothing. It was their plan to flog as much non-Super GPUs as they can. When the demand lowered, they introduced Supers, to sell them to those, who had not take the bait yet. It is a clever business strategy. And we are all it's victims.
@@greatwavefan397 If you can't get proper specs, then at least price the item to match the specs.
4080super still 43% more expensive than its predecessor. 😑😐
RTX 4080: SUPER bad price
RTX 4080 SUPER: bad price
This is good 😂
Unlike the 4080 super pricing. 😂
It took me a second to get it but once I did, pretty clever. Also ironic considering the similar performance from what I've seen. I would never buy a card for the price that I could build a functioning PC.
Not to mention that you are only getting 16gb vram for 1000bucks when AMD gives that 16 gb with their 500 $ 7800xt. These gpu's will have almost the same life span for that reason alone
@@1vaultdweller Don't forget their 7600 (XT ?) card for $300 and 16gb vram lol
Edit: This comment didn't age very well considering what the 7600 XT is worth and it's performance.
I got a 4080 super, with how inflation is going, that 1000 dollar card will be 2k by the 6000 series.
The only reasnable move is gving up 4k gaming and enjoy1440p with 500$ 7800xt
100% I would never pay more than $500 for a gpu. At that point ill give up gaming and find a new hobby.
Fax
it gains a bit when your 4k monitor is also your tv
Not with these new 4k oled monitors coming out
I disagree. A good oled 4K tv is by far the best purchase you can make to make your games look better across the board. You don't need to reach 4K for that to be true, and more games than you'd think will still reach 4K60 just fine.
Not only that but certain high end TV will display 60fps content with the motion clarity equivalent of 130+fps on a normal lcd, with no tricks like fake frames that adds input lag. A 1440p monitor will end up requiring more GPU power for the same visual experience.
Bottom line is if they continue on with these high prices is that sales will continue to be sluggish ….not many gamers can afford these cards especially with these economies that we’re currently in
The consumer graphics card segment isn’t their primary profit center. Also, if you’re in the US you can’t really complain of the current state of the economy.
@@dauntae24 The US economy is terrible right now.
@@KK-eg3em why? People only make 300$ a month working 12 hours?
WTF are you talking about?@@Pixel_FX
@@KK-eg3em can't understand a simple question?
cost of the 4080 super in the UK is actually 1200 - 1300 pounds. Not a £1000.
americans list the price before tax i think
so yes I agree, after tax, youre spending equal to the 1200 of the original 4080
Yes, tax can vary depending upon the state, but tax is not included in the listed price. @@TheMasterMakarov
Overclockers has 2 models for pre order at £960 and a palit model instock for £1000. Scan also has a pny model instock for £1010
I bought mine today for £990. It's possible.
2.2kg is now almost the same weight as some 16' to 17' gaming laptops. Man, that is just insane.
I think it is actually heavier than my laptop
@@vextakes 2,4kg is considered a bit on the heavier side on gaming laptops.
Nvidia gotta do something about the weight. Maybe cut the tdp or introduce a efficiency mode. Anything to cut down the weight.
How do they expect flimsy gamer arms to hold 2.2kg
Why would you care about weight in a discrete desktop GPU. you're not carrying your PC everyday.@@siyzerix
@@TripleSSSz It'll start sagging if you don't put support under it.
Besides, if they lowered the tdp, they could make it cheaper too by using less expensive components, less expensive cooling, etc. And it could fit into more cases
The 2080 super was able to do 4k/60 for the AAA games back in 2019 for $700
GTX 1080 ti ( a flagship card) was launched for the same price just a generation before rtx 20 series
@@RAYX07 the $1200 1080ti and mining is what destroyed pc gaming forever.
@@SigmaHuman69this is too true, the 750 ti was 150 usd and is still a solid card today for casual 1080p
@@DaGreenDestroyer "Solid card today for casual 1080p" it does 720p/low settings at 30fps with FSR, if it can even launch the game. A simple Google search or RUclips search, would've said that. A 3060 is a pretty decent 1080p card but even then it's not perfect.
the 750ti doesn't even have driver support anymore lol, where did you happen to get this information? Straight from the arse? Some of you people are delusional, yes GPUs are more expensive but you people act like it's a completely different world. You see the past with rose colored glasses and that's coming from someone that used to own a 1080ti. Believe it or not, wayyyyy more people want PCs to play games on than in 2015 and price reflects that.
@@JordanJ01 my gameplay with devil may cry 5...also what's with the beef bro is it something personal??? Sorry I hit a spot schlawgatron💀💀
I had to decide between the two...
AMD RX 7900XTX or RTX 4080 Super
I immediately made up my mind and purchased the RTX 4080 Super. When I saw the card and compared the size of it with my brothers card (RTX 4070), his GPU looked so small compared to the RRX 4080 Super that I purchased. Plus, the performance is so noticeable, it's huge. I am so happy that I didn't went with AMD really eventhough their VRAM on their RX 7900XTX is 24GB.
Nvidia still have a lot of features that I can and will use that AMD doesn't have. I don't regret my decision that I have the RTX 4080S now. Brother also want to upgrade to the RTX 4080S now lol 😂😂😂Lots of games that he couldn't reallt maxed out that I could without even flinching lol 😂😂😂
Great video bro. This RTX 4080S is a huge card and a beast. Yeah, yeah, price is still high but it is what it is.
Nvidia = Gamers/Content Creators with affordability
AMD = Gamers on a Budget that wants more FPS and price/performance.
But let me tell you, in the years to come, the markets will get worse lol 😂😂😂That being said, that the RTX 50 Series and AMD RX 8000 Series will be more expensive than these cards that's currently on the market. Only those with affordability will be able to purchase the latest GPUs in the years to come.
So, if you have a GPU, appreciate what you have 😂Don't break your head to upgrade unless you really need to
I don't think I'll ever pay 1k for a PC part. It's just too much.
Paid 600 in total for my 7800xt red devil, absolutely love the card but that was the limit I set myself, theres no reason to spend a used car on a graphics card, I agree
I'm really curious about that reasoning i keep seeing everywhere.
Isn't it the same for everything ? Food ? Housing ? Cars ? Phones ?
@@ritchienithoo9479Because most pc fans just like to complain...
They complain about $800 Gpu's but spend $300 on Cpu coolers and RGB lights.
@@ritchienithoo9479 Probably. For me I don't have a desire to pay $1k for any PC part. I try to go for $400-800 bucks at best.
@@ritchienithoo9479Are you equating graphics cards to basic necessities rn?
For quite a long time, the enthusiast-level GPUs were $600. Spending $1000 on a GPU sounds like insanity to me. The difference between the 4080 Super and the 7800 XT was around 20 fps at 1440p. You could save $500 by lowering a couple of graphical settings that are going to be barely noticeable anyway.
my lord some of yall bullshit too much
1000 is too much but lets bot bullshit ourselves. The 4080 super is same/better as a 7900xtx its an incredibly powerful gpu much more powerful than 7800xt and 4070ti super
@@anthonykargoglou7205 wait until the AMD brand loyalty guys come and tell you that the XTX is faster in rasterization by 0.5% in 2 titles and act like the 4080S is garbage
i would hope so its 300+ more@@anthonykargoglou7205
@@sinAnon6689 Exactly. The commenters above are missing the point. It's not that the 4080S is not powerful; it is. The problem is that accepting that its performance is worth $1000 means that Nvidia could release a 5080 next year with double the performance for $1500. Someone could say that it's twice the performance for a 50% price increase. Would that make it a good deal?
At what time do we stop accepting Nvidia's marketing logic?
Tragedy is those who got a 3080ti and it can barely ray trace cyberpunk already.
Just install a dlss 3 mod for it and have fun.
I don't understand why some of these games even have ultra mega settings. even a 4090 cant handle (get 60fps) some of the top settings, and its the literal fastest gpu
@@KellerFkinRyan whats so difficult to understand?
@kellerflanagan3404 It's not like people won't be playing a game in 4 years on the 6090ti super. They probably won't care that they can get even better visualls replaying an older game.
@@I.C.Weiner thats assuming nvidia still makes consumer products by that point, we might get 50 series but after that i highly doubt theyll give a shit
You know the funny thing?
It's already the price of a 4080.
where i live its now more expensive than the original 4080
@@hooroos5191 same in India too
Bro fr, all these reviewers talking about the $1000 price but all I see online is $1200 which is the same price of a 4080 which isn't dropping either
Wait... why?
@@joseijosei 4080 12gb (4070ti)
Quality of your streams has been steadily increasing. Good reporting. No fanboying or overused hype, no massive redistributed "leaks" or other nonsense.
The sample card is well earned. Integrity is a good starting point.
Blender benchmark is not a modeling benchmark. It's a ray rendering benchmark and has nothing to do with modeling.
Yeah, It kinda annoy when people say modeling when then talk about rendering with Cycles. Eevee view-port performance is good on AMD GPU so the modeling is not affected at all. As well as rendering project with Eevee. It is really only about Cycles rendering. On top of that if we turn on variable sampling and OIND then the difference between Nvidia and AMD almost completely go away. Because we end up bottle-necked by the computer itself not the GPU. It is mostly why I got two computer to render instead of a faster GPU. We compared with somebody I know, two computer with 6700xt inside were able to match his 4090 render time. Common Blender benchmark aren't going to tell you that though. They don't use OIDN or Variable sampling and do not tell how much time was wasted by the computer itself while doing the scene prep, compositing and de-noising step.
@@leucome Just as with video editing, of what the GPU is handling, the vram quantity and speed are more important than anything else for modeling, even then when I had my 6950xt it would run out 64gb of ram way before scene geometry got anywhere near impacting gpu performance.
No, it's never worth it. It's just greed.
I’m greedy so it’s the perfect match.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again its worth it, as soon i opened the box my worries vanished. It's so beautiful
@@SlushyFX😂😂
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again No, they are greedy. You are just dumb.
I spent around 800 on my 7900XT. Still overpriced but I wouldn't go any higher than that. I can play pretty much any game at native 4K without an issue, and frame gen means I max out my LG C2's refresh rate. So overall I'm happy with it.
I got it aswell and honestly wouldnt spend More on GPU because RX 7900 XT is already a powerhouse for especially for 1440p :D
I got a 7900 xtx for 1090$ and I only use it for vr games and so far every game I played stayed at 90-120 fps even on ultra settings in virtual desktop or max resolution 120 hz on the oculus app
I heard 7900 xtx sucks for vr@@normal_resident
@@normal_residentdid you try VD runtime instead of Oculus?
@@vadnegru yeah dude oculus has the your device doesn't meet the minimum requirements problem everytime I try to connect with airlink the graphics look like shit but with link cable or virtual desktop it's amazing
buy something around $500 and play 1440P at med and high settings, and turn off the fps counter for peace of mind.
Nah, I just ordered my 4080S and it's for high fps 1440p. Zero interest in 4k and I rarely use ray tracing. I considered the 7900xtx but I'm a big fan of dlss quality mode when available (which puts the 4080S over the top performance-wise as I don't like to use any other upscaler) and I have power draw considerations that also favor the 4080S.
Paying a thousand dollars to play 3 games with better reflections is a NVIDIA fanboy moment.
So with that same logic, buying a 7900 xtx is AMD fanboy moment? Stop labeling everyone who buys products that dont appeal to you, a fanboy
Reducing Ray Tracing - which completely overhauls lighting and drastically improves atmosphere/visuals - to just "better reflections" is a certified AMD cope moment.
I kinda agree, but it will be more than just 3 games, soon. I suspect all the new games will be terribly optimized like Alan Woke and Starfield and CP, from now on. That's if these game-makers even care anymore about making games that people actually like.
@@spinbyep and amd drivers ares less good then nvidia, I.m not trash talking the 7900xtx make 10 raw tflop of more then 4080super for a bit less performances
@@horvathr95No. A 7900 xtx has better performance for the price.
Realistically, the 4070 Ti Super should be $700 and the 4080 Super should be $800-850. If only that were reality.
Wow.. NVidia have been handing out these cards like candy... it would have been better if they put the card at a more realistic price. I could afford it (just) but I just can't justify spending that much. A lovely card marred by unrealistic pricing.
RT and AI is what Nvidia was using as selling point.
and AMD is also getting dragged into the trend to be competitive against Nvidia.
@@MegaOS_Ver_NEETthe only card that can do RT consistently is a 4090 so unless you mortgage your house get used to sub 60fps.
@@tmsphereI'm very happy with 1080p with up to 144hz monitor.
Considering the same. But having just a 1440p monitor and playing almost everything with capped fps means if i upgrade, i can enjoy everything for the next 4-5 years upwards with no hesitation. So the invest in long term is ok - considering power consumption over amd is another thing - it will sum up over a few years on my electricity bill (germany) even if it isn't balancing the investment at all ... i'm so undecided since it wouldn't break my bank now, but giving nvidia +1k for their shitty price policy just makes me feel bad. Dunno. 😢
well if your total PC budget is $3000+ dollars buying a $1000 dollar GPU is a little less crazy. it's only one third the total cost .
and that is my budget (about 3,000)
bassically i broke my budget down like this
1/3: Main computer parts
ryzen 7800x3d CPU $ 370
x670 Mainboard $220
Thermaltake Tower 500 Case $170
Be quiet! CPU cooler $100
Be quiet! Case fans $50
Corsair DDR5 6000 ram $130
Total = $940
2/3: Storage and sound
4TB Gen 4 NVMe M.2 SSD 1 : $225
4TB Gen 4 NVMe M.2 SSD 2 : $225
4TB 2.5 sata SSD $200
8TB HDD $100
Creative Labs AE-5 sound card (because i love me some good audio) $140
total : $890
3/3 Graphics
RTX 4080 Super $1,000
Overall total pre tax : 2,830
After Texas sales tax (.0825): 3,064 (rounded up the change)
now i could go with less storage to cut that budget way down, but i got tons of stuff to eat up that storage ,my current system only sports 4 tb (2tb m.2 ssd and 2tb HDD) and even with that much i'm juggling stuff all the time.
essientally the 2 m. drives i plan on storing the bulk of my newer games and the OS, games like Hogwarts or cyberpunk , or alan wake 2. the 2.5" Sata SSD wil store mostly games that are slightly older that don't require super fast drives, but still eat a large capacity to store, things like Doom 2016 or fallout 4 for example . while lastly the 8TB HDD will store stuf like pictures , videos , music , Documents much older "retro" games , 3ds max renders /models ect ect. stuff that typically doesn't eat much space on it on but builds up to many GBs when you get alot of them together. for example my music collection is over 30 GB's , my artwork folder is over 70 GBs.
but i digress point is when i consider my total budget for my pc the 4080S (which i already ordered, as when you see one at MSRP you have to jump on it) is the lesser cost of the total.
glad i ordered the 4080 Super already , because now just a week later i already don't see it at MSRP any more. now i just need to get most of the rest of my PC , (i already got the case tho)
I just wanna say that I applaud you for pronouncing niche the correct way. Every time I hear people pronounce it nitch it feels like sandpaper on my ears lol.
it's interesting, I finally went and bought a 4080 Super yesterday after spending an awful amount of time trying decide between the 4080 and 7900 XTX and for me the question mark of VR performance still wasn't answered regarding the AMD cards. I know improvements have been made but I hear the 4000 series still does a better job. RT for me, is a nice bonus so hopefully I'll be happy with my decision when the card arrives
VR is the main thing making me consider this card over the 4070ti super. Are you happy with your decision?
I was looking into this, and it really seems like all the issues are gone. When comparing 4070 super and RX 7800 XT, the 7800 for less money outperformed the 4070 super specifically on vr
@@generalagony yeah it's a good card, it depends on what you're upgrading from though, this was from a rtx 2080 so a very large jump for me. it really depends on what you want from a card though. It was pricey and some people are saying the AMD cards have sorted their issues, sadly first impressions stick and the internet is a bit of an echo chamber
@@Hairy_Lee thank you for the reply. Ended up with a Gigabyte 4080 super upgrading from a 2070 super so it’s been a huge leap in vr performance.
I got a 4080 super and heard the 12vhpwr can melt now I'm scared can it fr melt what can I do
Straight up I have been saying the same thing. The 40 series GPUs are branded as 4K cards but that is with DLSS enabled. The 40 series GPUs are awesome for 1440P native gaming.
Everyone hang on to your cards for as long as possible hopefully buy the time it dies it’ll be worth upgrading to whatever gpu is new at the time
An ultra wide 1440p monitor will give the 4080 Super a good workout. I think it's a good fit.
tinky winky 38" 3840x1600 144hz with a 4080s - i am in love :P
I totally have the money to buy a 4090 but on principle I refuse to pay twice of what a consol costs on a gaming gpu, 1000$US is obscene to spend on one part of a gaming PC, that was my iron rule so Nvidia had to stay on the shelf for my latest build.
I know nvidia won't see this comment, but I'm going to tell them here and now anyway: I will only buy the RTX5080 only if it launches at $800 or less MSRP!
Was able to get a 7900 xtx in mint condition for 850 and I’m happy that I decided to get that instead of wait for the 4080 super
With the cost of a computer of 2-3k $, you saved $ 200 and deprived yourself of DLSS (this is important for those cases where there is no FSR), adequate FG and most importantly RT ...
There is a proverb: A miser pays twice
Although there are advantages: likes and approval of the same miserly fanatics)))
Radeon has driver level FSR now.
@@MagnumXL420 Afmf? Which turns off the generation when the camera is rotated?
afmf does not work as well as dlss fg, and fsr3 is supported in 3 games so far and it has problems in the hud area. Yes, even FSR2 works noticeably worse than DLSS3.
I would rate all these technologies like this
dlss 4.5/5, fsr 4/5
dlss fg 4.5/5, fsr3 3/5, afmf 2/5
nvidia rt 4/5, amd rt 2/5
The devil is in the little things
@@Aleksey-vd9oc you seem to be assuming that people aren't able to make conscious deciscions buying PC parts, e.g. GPU's, like what performance, features you get with one brand/model vs the other? Just because you value DLSS or more specifically RT higly that you get with Nvidia doesn't necessarily mean another one does, and with this he/she valued the AMD 7900XTX as the better option.
@@daflipflopYes, I believe that the steretypes formed by bloggers prevent people from making the right decision.
I know that dlss+fg is worse than native frames, but in my estimation it is 4.5/5, while fsr+fg(amfm) is 3/5.
As a result, I can play with RT/PT on my 4080 (with a slight decrease in quality), but the owner of 7900xtx cannot.
I perfectly understand people who don't need RT/PT in principle. But there are people who appreciate RT/PT graphical improvements, but they get a bad experience on amd, and they think that the same thing happens on nvidia.
really sad that in the span of 7 years we went from top of the line gpus for 699 to 2100 and the problem is newer games will render the 4 series obsolete really fast
That's because top end shifted from multi gpu to single massive GPU. 7 years ago power targets, cooling and everything but die size pointed more towards say a 1080ti being more inline with a 4070ti than with a 4090 or even 4080. Die sizes are smaller because the silicon costs 4x as much or more than it did 7 years ago.
As a 3080 10gb owner, it's surreal seeing the next 4080 become this high end option that I'd never pay for. Even the size of it makes it seem so alien, like a giant, expensive pick up truck vs a sedan. The 80 class vibe is all bougie and compensating now. 700$ is pretty much the cut off for any card I'd buy in the near future, once I start seeing prices close to 800$, all I can see is a ripoff.
paired my non super 4080 with a i5-13600k with no complaints or issues, for gaming only the i5-13600k is king for intel side of things, GN gave it the most well rounded CPU crown...goal was 4k60hz Ultra gaming, and it was achieved :D GG
A 13600k for 60 hz? Bro, you could go for 4K 120hz with that. It is a monster of a CPU.
run a 4k60hz for Single Player gaming, and 1440p 165hz for online gaming, nothing wrong with 60hz at 4k for single player gaming@@joseijosei
@stuts2371 run a 1440p 165hz for online gaming, 4k60hz was for singleplayer gaming, GG
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I can't believe the 12VHPWR connector which nVidia put with their cards is actually a shipping product and not a crude prototype for testing . Immediately replaced mine with a Corsair modular cable for my new 4080 Super
Yeah that shit is a fire hazard.
I have a 4090 and I don’t regret it, I just think the 4080 will age faster than the 4090 in the next couple of years
yeah but the price difference is wild
@@Yusof.. Ehh if you’re using it for an income, it’s a tax write off
@stuts2371 me too brother. It's a beast
@stuts2371 saving money for 4080. And i9 :)..... currently still using gtx1070 i-7 9700k... about 8years :D
I play every game in 4k graphics on the highest settings with a 4080 super/ ryzen 7 7800x3d combo. The 4080 super is amazing and will last into the ps7 era easily. Even the ps6 gpu is still weaker then the 4080 super.
Nvidia is absolutely gouging because they don't have the same incentives they used to.... but people need to get with the idea that these cards are made primarily from parts found in literally only one area of the planet... that it takes a butt ton of work from design to getting installed in your computer... and that in the last 4 years in the U.S. the currency is worth 15 to 20% less than it was 4 years ago due to covid and terrible fiscal policy from the U.S. and many other countries in the world have the same problem. If you want that 500$ card or that 2.25$ gallon of milk elect lawmakers that don't inflate the currency so fast and spend so much in deficit that literally EVERYTHING is hard to afford for regular people. If anyone says this video or topic isn't political they are just wrong. Even at a 15% inflation rate based on the price of the 3080 the 4080 "should" cost 920$ and that is under estimating. And... if China moves on Taiwan.... we will need better coders not cheaper graphics cards because we sure as shoot won't be getting any. I am not defending this pricing they did take a small amount more margin but like realistically they took another 10% margin or that 250 ish on the final retail cost of the product. Sure, they saw everything else going up and covid and decided to raise the knob just a little more than the literally had to... but when you factor worldwide and American inflation in... it's comparable to a standard generation to generation price increase.
NOTHING.
Even no discount if you look at market prices.
You can buy either one if it is cheaper than the other 80 card.
Because there is ZERO difference.
NVIDIA basically released a "price cut" but in a "new" product.
Even though it ultimately doesn't matter sitting inside my opaque case, I *really* wanted a 4080S FE. The card is just beautiful. Sat in queue for an hour, got to the head of the queue, then it told me to log in (while I was already logged in), kept screwing up saying incorrect name/password (it wasn't), so I finally just decided to check out as a guest. Submit all info, select Paypal, then when I go to review my order...nothing in my cart (of course). Exact same thing that happened when I tried to buy a PS5 on launch night from Target and Walmart (then I ended up getting one from Sony and one from Best Buy randomly the next day).
Anyway, right now I have an MSI 4080 Ventus, because it's one of the smaller cards. I think it's the next-smallest compared to the FE. The card itself is a beast, but I purchased it at a very odd time. I wanted a 4K (or at least 4K DLSS Quality which renders at 1440p)/60 capable card for Dragon's Dogma 2, and my 3080 was not it. My current CPU is a heavily overclocked 9600K...yeah, it's old and it's holding the card back, but I wasn't going to upgrade until Arrow Lake, or the newer X3D chips arrive. Whichever happens first.
Nvidia even had the 4090 back on their site for $1,600 for like a few minutes the night before these launched too. I would have rather picked up one of those, but what can you do? This 4080 should be good enough until the 60 series.
We really need to define what "Better" means and for what value. FPS doesn't always tell you the story nor does a feature like RT or DLSS/FSR. Every gamer is different, but we can all agree that we are looking for the best bang for our buck especially now that GPUs are so expensive this generation as compared to previous ones. DLSS for example is a superior product, but if you played a game in real time could you spot the difference between FSR? The answer is yes if you are pixel peeping, but less so if you are just playing the game at least that is what I think.
You are on the right path here questioning is it really worth getting a $1000 graphics card in today's market knowing the next generation is around the corner 10 months from now.
Or what does this $1000 card do for you that a $5, $6 or $700 can't. For now you can have it all if you can afford it (AKA 4090) and having it all may not be worth it in the end if you just buy into the marketing hype behind all of these cards from Nvidia, AMD and Intel. This is a terrible generation for gamers regarding price/performance and I can only hope it will get better as the numbers don't appear to be that great this gen.
I think the thing that would be most noticeable to me with FSR vs DLSS is if one has more shimmering on things like grass but they are probably close in overall image sharpness.
@@saiyaman9000 You can tweak setting on both the monitor and the game settings to knock down the shimmering. It is a small thing, but I just do not notice that for more than half a second, then I just play the game and enjoy myself.
The card literally got released not even 2 months ago. There is always a new generation a year away.
@@jokingtigerdlss looks so much better than fsr it's not even close imo. Sometimes I prefer the dlss sharpening to native even. Fsr is a blurry shimmery mess. Which is why you can't take 4k fps comparisons in videos like this at face value. Yes, the 700€ card gets like -10% s of the same fps at native 4k. But dlss literally gives a 30-50 fps boost to any game and the fsr equivalent just looks bad in comparison. The only reason to buy an NVIDIA card atm apart from superior drivers is dlss and ray tracing if you're into that. And yes, dlss is that good that the price jump is justified if you care about gaming at 4k at a high visual quality with a lot of fps. Simply put, there is no AMD equivalent.
@@feuerbrenntgut Good to know you have no sense and way too much money on your hands. Why would I pay double for upscaling and worse hardware? Ray tracing adds nothing to gameplay whatsoever. It is just preening at this point. If I was creating content for movies and videos I would care, but for gameplay it does nothing. I am sorry you feel the need to defend your choice, which says more about you than me. I buy the best card I can afford and just enjoy my games. Graphics are nice for the first 10 seconds and then after that I just don't care. I focus on the gameplay. AMDs drivers are just as good as Nvidia's drivers. The cards function differently architecturally and so they both have their learning curves. Stop being brand loyal it accomplishes nothing.
gonna get one! currently got a 12gb 3060, its perfect for 1440p but want 4k, i got my pc hooked up to a lg c2 tv so want max performance in my pc, been upgrading all my other components getting ready for it including a ryzen 7 58003dx, h6 flow, 1200w pcu and stuffed it with lian li fans, bit awkward but looks amazing n near silent most the time! can't justify 4090 money but can save to get a 4080 super n not feel completely crazy lol
That red light on GPU is only when you use adapter. When is connected straight form PSU to GPU then light disappears. 🙃. By the way nothing is wrong with your ASUS.
18:00 My ASUS 4090 TUF OC has done the same thing since I got it. Always red light no matter how the cables are plugged in, then when the computer turns on that red light goes off and it runs amazingly.
bought the 4080 a few months ago. I regret it, get the xtx or something cheaper if gaming on 1440p, even the 4090 is not really a great experience at 4k, I bought the 4080 hoping it would be a 4k card and let me tell you, 4k 120hz max graphics gaming is still not really here. I expect the 5080 and 5090 will both be capable of that though.
17:15 that's why you need to get yourself a new PSU that includes a ATX 3.0 cable. It's exactly that connector for your GPU to PSU without any adapter. I use mine from my new PSU bequiet 12m over the Nvidia adapter and it works great.
Edit: i had the red light with the adapter as well. It's not that it's a problem initally, but it detects that the adapter and an insufficient power input is used. Dont ask me why or how, i had the same issue with my 4070 super. I used the adapter and 2x 8pin, red light, i found the 600W atx 3.0 cable in the PSU box, switched the cables out, and no red light. In the end, and probably from now on everyone will have to get themselves a new PSU to avoid this cable salad.
I have the be quiet! Dark Power 13 1000watt. It has been flawless.
i'd love to hear your opinion on 21:9 monitors which are kinda in between 1440p and 4k i guess? also what about VR capability with something like the bigscreen beyond?
Yeah 3440x1440 is a bit above standard 1440p but much easier to run than 4k. However ultrawide 1440p still takes a bit more power to run over standard 1440p but is still worth it.
i am playin on an 38 inch non 4k monitor @ 3840x1600 .. and ye i bought one of those 4080s and i am absolutly happy with it. i come from an 2080 and now i finally can play whatever i want with 144hz and above. Sure it was like 1.100€ but even if i want to sell it in the future, the price will be stable at maybe a loss of 200-300€. I am fine with it c:
Just get a 7900xtx and get 24G of Vram with it, you'll probably be happier anyway
I spent $1019.99 on my RTX 4080 and I've never once regretted it. Things a beast and it does exactly what I wanted it to do which is play Destiny 2 PvP at a constant and consistent 240hz in 1440p. I do this on my Asus PG27AQDM OLED monitor and its the best gaming experience I've ever had. When I play games such as Ratchet and Clank or the Destroy All Hunans remakes they run and look gorgeous. I spent over $3k on the PC and I spent a $1k on the monitor and i dont regret literally any of it. When someone trys to "shame" me for spending that much money on my set up it always comes off as such weird behavior to me. I make enough money to be able to spend this kind of money on the things I love and theres nothing wrong with that. I dont try to make people feel bad about playing on 1080p rigs.
1k on a monitor , duh you are dumb.
Couldn't even get a 4080 super when I tried. No 7900XTX price drop, and I can't forget that $799 sale. So I just bought a 7900XT for $690 with cash back with the amazon card. Seems pretty good to me.
Got one last night. Wanted a 4090 but they're nearly double the 4080s in Australia.
I can buy a console for 350 that plays the same games and looks pretty good for a fraction of the price of a single pc component. Now that's unbeatable price to performance.
As someone who has pretty much moved on to PC gaming for the most part and rarely plays my consoles anymore, I gotta say that I agree. Even at 500 for the most recent PS5 sku, you're getting way better price to performance. The only downside is the game selection is infinitely smaller compared to PC. But if recent games are your jam, you can't go wrong with a console.
Glad to see you’re getting review samples now
Why don’t you add the 7900 xtx? wtf
I do 4k editing. I got that that is the "niche" you speak of. I also want to have AI chops, so again, also the niche. Great job Vex.
I spent about 880 for my 7900xtx pulse. The 4080 is slower in razter and less vram.
Except the 4080 is faster in rasterization in most games and that's not even counting DLSS and FG. Go look at the benchmarks yourself.
@@davidfaustino4476No no no, specially if you overclock both, the XTX is still faster.
Not in all games & when you turn on raytracing you drop below 20 fps..also you don’t have work station capability & nor due you have the features which means 3yrs from now when they start implementing raytracing in more games amd cards will be absolute lol
Not to mention amd cards suck in VR
@@davidfaustino44761) DLSS or DLUS (as it's not supersampling, but rather the inverse) is only available in certain games, and totally useless outside them.
2) Frane Gen is only useful in singleplayer games that are not latency sensitive.
It's useless in: Shooters, combat and civilian flight sims, racing sims, rythm games and any game based on fast reactions, like Platformers or certain types of action-RPGs.
In some of them it's actually worse than useless, as it increases latency.
i paid 600 cad for an Asus TUF 7700XT OC 12GB, and get 60fps at 1080p Medium (Ultra Textures) with all RT turned on. Its perfectly fine lmao. I just turn AFMF on to smooth it out a bit (60 fps on my 165hz panel isnt smooth enough) and bingo bango, im a happy camper. Avatar came with the gpu and it runs at 120fps with FSR 3 on, all high settings (RT on obviously) I wouldnt pay more than 650 cad for a gpu personally, diminishing returns kick in fast.
I'm building a pc now amd iv decided to buy a cheap 3090 for 550 amd just save money until November December for the 5090 series cards then released... what's the point buying or upgrading to a 4080 super when thay will be out of date in 9 months...
They aren't coming till 2025.
@MrJakku26 of u think about it 1000 for a 4080 super = to £80 a month for 11 months of gaming when u upgrade to a 50 series card as the 4080 super will be out of date.. its really not cost effective in the slightest...and yeah fall of 2025 so December 2024 or January 2025 I can wait a year and save my self 600
@@british_loony I hear you, but sometimes you have to pull the trigger, otherwise you're always just gonna be waiting for the next best thing.
@@MrJakku26 very true bro
@@british_loony 👍I've been waiting almost 3 years to get a new GPU. In 2020 Covid and the crypto boom happened and GPU's were double their price.
I spent $1700 on the 4090 with tax now this same card $1900 with tax great investment for me for all the bells and whistles.
This is the most level-headed and realistic review out of all of the 4080 Super reviews. The popular influencers missed the mark big time on this. 60fps is an important threshold and the reviewers missed that. It actually seems to be the most popular Super model. In Canada, all of the 4080 Super SKUs sold out in about 4 hours, including the premium ones like the ROG Strix and Aorus Master. As for video editing, I use Premiere over Resolve, and Premiere has better CUDA support. I bought a 4080 Super right when it launched because my 1660Ti just can't cut it for 4K60 video editing anymore. I feel 1440p is a stopgap resolution (much like 1680x1050 15 years ago) and just jumped to a video card with good 4K support.
I don't think they missed the mark at all, its 3% better than a 4080 at a cheaper price but only in America, the rest of the world are paying 4080 release price money for the 4080S. Its not a bad card its just a meh who cares moment, they should have just dropped the 4080 price to $899 and left it at that.
curious, you went from 1660ti how many things did u upgrade on ur current rig and did u upgrade to a 4k monitor ?
@@Alexito2003 Old rig: 6600K@4.5/32GB/1660Ti; New rig: 12900K@5.2P4.0E/64GB/4080S. 4K screen is a 65" Sony A95K QD-OLED that does 120hz. Spectacular.
It just comes down to gaming where you feel comfortable and content. I switched from the 7900XT to the 4080 Super because I wanted to be able to game with RT @ 4K. I love both cards, but the 4080 Super is what gives me what I need. Don't ever let anyone tell you what to think or what they think you need. It's your gaming experience and you deserve what you feel is the optimal gaming experience. 1080p, 1440p, 2160p, whatever it may be.
In Australia the 4080Super is the exact same price as the 4080 before the announcement. It’s literally the same card at the same price.
In denmark too, if not a bit more expensive
1:30 Drop the Settings on the 7800XT to High, or Medium to get 60 fPS
IS it worth 500 more dollars to play at Ultra??
For enthusiasts yes, it's worth. Worth is subjective.
hell yes
Depends if you play or benchmark games.
There can be a massive difference between medium and ultra quality with ray tracing
@@mitsuhh Yeah. Shadows look a little more.blurry
It's still 4K my dude ..
Unless you stop and look for shadows you won't notice it while playing
Optimum has a video that shows the actual power difference between 4080 and 7900XTX. The AMD card requires 200 more watts for the same performance in Overwatch and 100+ watts in a bunch of games. Furthermore when you use the card at less than 100% the NVIDIA card pulls way ahead in terms of efficiency -- probably something to do with the MCM design of RDNA3.
I went for the standard 4080 when I found one for a reasonable price on sale. Because in Australia, the standard 4080 cards go for around $1600-$2000, while the Super series goes for around $1900-2250 and considering it's only a marginal increase in performance over the non-Super cards, it's just not worth it. Also we don't get the FE cards in Australia :/
Will there be a rtx 3050 level graphics card budget rx 6600 level money
No. I do not think we will see a 4050 at this point.
its depend what you r using for man
Probably not.
the rx6600 would probably the same speed or faster than where a 4050 might land performance wise. since its not thatmuch slower than what their calling the 4060 and the 7600/xt as it is.
If you're not a content creator who makes money from the performance of that GPU, then no, a $1000 graphics card is not worth it.
Yea na. Not paying $2000 for a 4080S when I can get an XTX for $1550, no I don't care about RT and productivity, I'm a gamer. You flipped pretty quick there Vex, amazing what review samples will do.
That’s where the extra money comes in at on the nvidia cards..raytracing & productivity
And for VR gameplay because Amd cards suck in VR
@@504NO To which none of these selling points apply to me.
@@504NOYea also doesn't apply to me since I have zero interest in VR.
@@pituguli5816That's lierally his only arguments, he's spamming them in every comment thread he's involved in.
I have a standard 4080, but as an Indie dev I use it 98% of the time for productivity so in that sense its 100% worth it. For gaming?? More of a tricky sell- even the Super is still ALOT of money :)
In Sweden 4070´s are the $1000 cards
It's interesting to see where the 4080 super has landed performance wise but I'm perfectly content with my 7900xt. The extra cost with other components like a CPU that won't bottleneck the GPU to a monitor that can output 4k are things that do get overlooked when talking about the high end GPUs and I'm perfectly happy at 1440p with an IPS panel. My roommate has a 4k tv and maybe because it's not an OLED panel, I honestly have have a hard time telling the difference.
TLDR, it would honestly take a whole platform upgrade and new monitor to get the most out of a 4080 super for me and it's not worth the cost for me. My 5800x3d is gonna run till it can't and I'm sticking to it for the next 5+ years.
It seems funny how raytracing is still considered a selling point for Nvidia cards and main reason not to get AMD card instead even though Nvidias performance is barely playable with RT on without help of fake frame gen or else. Yeah 30fps is higher than amd 10fps on same settings, but do you consider 30fps still playable ? xd
In the 12 game 4K average chart at 7:44 the 6700XT is 10 fps behind the 7700XT. Tune the 6700XT past stock 6750XT core clock as if you were overclocking a 6750XT, its the same exact core die and can OC just as high. It will gain 5-10 fps nearly matching the 7700XT on this chart meeting or beating the 3070 Ti if you have good silicon. The premium MSI version or the Sapphire Nitro+ 6700XT can do 2800Mhz+ stable at good temps easily, lesser cards not as high. Great vid, thanks.
1000$ - it always depends…want 4K and raytracing, then sure
4080super - 4k or raytracing - u can only choose one here 😉
But requires upscaling.
the red light on the 4070 ti tuf model lets you know that you have it plugged in. i have the 4080super tuf model it does the same thing. just lets you know that you have the power connector plugged in fully.
For the power connector problem there is an easy solution: An ATX 3.0 power supply.
Yes you can. The only issue with that is now your adding more money to the price just so your card is safer. To me, that makes no sense
@@kevingreen2245 Well yes. But it is worth the investment imo.
@Hexenkind1 not really now you added at a minimum 195 for a really good 850 watt psu. Add that up. 195+ 1050 to be fair for a 4080 super. You're at over 1200. When you can get a xtx for 950. Everyone says if you can get an xtx for 20% cheaper, it's a no-brainer. You would be at 27% the cost over an xtx
If you don't have a PSU you'd have to spend $$ anyway. So it's not necessarily $200+ more than an XTX@@kevingreen2245
@@kevingreen2245 nah bruh if you are Buying A 4080 why would you cheap out on other things💀 that makes zero sense.
In my country, rx 7900 xt is 79800 inr and the rtx 4070 ti super is 86200. I can't decide which one should I get for 1440p gaming😩
The 7900xt is the new 1080ti.
The 7800xt is the new 7970.
And the 7600xt is the new 580 8gb
Then the 4080 súper would be the new 980 ti
🤣🤣🤣 i want what you are smoking
lol not even close
Except 1080 Ti was the fastest. 7900xt isn't the fastest
🤣🤣🤣 professional yapper
The thing about 4k is that as the monitors and technology progresses, it will get cheaper and we will get cheap cards which will have higher performance than 4080ti super with higher vram. This card isnt futureproof with only 16gb for 1k. It will be obsolete within 2-3 years, unless games and pro apps wait up more vram then its even less futureproof.
And still the normalising of overpriced GPUs
Why are you comparing $500 cards to a $1000 and telling us we are getting good value for money because the $1000 is better? Have people really become this gullible?
What exactly are you trying to prove with this video?
$1000 is obscene for a GPU. And quite simply of you're not onboard with that then you're not on the side of the consumer, you on the side of greed.
To be honest if you're not on a xx90 you should not even think about 4k. Its more like xx60 for 1080p, xx70/80 for 1440p, xx90 for 4k. But even with the refresh i still think this gen is still "buy the xx90 or fuck you"
If u forget raytracing u can go 4k with way cheaper cards...
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 but do you have to?
@@BlackChicken710 im using 7900xtx for 4k - ktc miniled 4k monitor
Works really good for me
I refuse to buy an Nvidia GPU for $1000 (+ taxes) that isn't an xx102 die, regardless of how good they perform. Period.
And so should you.
I love my 4080 Super and my affirm payment plan. 😂
7800xt is perfect for the majority of games for 479.
Amds new 8000 GPU is suppose to basically make a 499$ GPU with 4080 performance.
Man if that were to be true about that 8000 series gpu(which would be wild to think about) I could end up buying that as it'll finally make me go back to AMD(when they used to be called Ati).
yay the part where you were happy about review samples was wholesome xD congrats mate, you were consistent and you did well
I paid around that much tax included for my GTX 1080ti. It was worth but only because that was an anomaly. Prices should have stayed below, similar to 90 series.
Waiting for intel gpus they are more affordable and probably will be better
That connector is one of the main reason I switched to amd.
I dont need latest games.
I need my games from 2012-2018 running in 300+ fps
Yep, that's why I skipped 40 series. Cost one thousand dollars just to be able to use RT on new games without that blurry upscaling tech.
Hopefully the 50 series cards will actually be able to do RT native resolution for $600.
i don't even know who's more nuts Nvidia asking a 1000$ for not even top of the line GPU, or people like you who hope, that Nvidia will drop prices to a reasonable amount
@@1ancevance They probably wont drop prices but they will be increasing the performance next gen by much more than this super refresh so a $600 5070 will probably match or beat a 4080.
lol you’ll probably get a 5070 for $600 that performs the same at the 4070. I wouldn’t hold my breath on performance improvements under $1000.
Its worth it to me as i play a ton of RT games. I also do VR which the dual encoders provides great stability. Furthermore, i use the streaming media upscaler and auto hdr (valled VSR).
AMD is great for saving money for pure raster. For everyone else, these cards make more sense.
I can afford to buy a card with these extra features and i will never knock anyone who doesnt.
4080 super, what a good advertisement for the 7900 xt lol
What about for VR? Is the 4080 super a minimum for good graphics?
4080 super makes me happy that I grabbed the 7900 xtx
I have the pre super 4080 and I'm so glad the super didn't get any better. Once you're done weeping over the 1200 dollar price, it's a fantastic gpu. I've been hearing about lots of driver problems with the 7900 series which is weird because my only experience with Radeon was the 6600xt which was pretty trouble free.
The RTX 4080 super is a very slow card for the price. The RTX 4090 for 1000$ would had been more logical.
i bet not even 1% of gammers game at 4k the vast Majority of peoples are still at 1080 the rest are at 1440p
I say save the money by not buying the uber expensive graphics card and get more games with the money you saved. I like to play the games not walk around and look at things in the distance for glitches. I just don't think it is that important to the gameplay or replay value. I do not understand why a game has to run at 4k 1000fps to be playable. That is just a measuring (you know what kind) contest at that point.
I don't believe I would call 21 FPS (Ray Tracing) more for the 4080 VS the 7900 XT a blood bath, more like a small win. We have VERY different meanings of the word "Blood Bath", and at a $300 price difference I wouldn't even call it a small win.
did RTX 4090 still better right ? than 4080 super or not anyone can tell me about it?
How do you use those emotes ?
It is. There's a reason there is no RTX 4090 Super or 4090 Ti. The 4090 has absolutely no competition and is legitimately in a class of its own.
yeah make sense
@@Gilfrapist i am using laptop there is picture emote for that if you using handphone is not show up ,i think pc also show up
Nvidia costs more, but is worth more. It's better at productivity, raytracing, upscaling, video encoding, efficiency ect. People like to ignore all of the things Nvidia GPUs do better than AMD, then somehow equate AMD to being the same value as Nvidia but cheaper. AMD is cheaper for a reason.
what you gonna produce with Nvidia? Be serious, only GPU from Nvidia that worths all that is rtx 4090... Who ever has real need for all that will get 4090, it makes no sense to get anything less. 4070 super draws like 30w less than 7800xt, costs 100$ more, how many years for that 100$ to pay off ?
I just ordered a new $2100 pc with a 4080 Super in it. I have been rocking a GTX 1650 Super for years and years. I expect a mind blowing experience