Tesla Semi Vs. Paccar Peterbilt 579! Which is the Best Choice of 2023 Heavy Trucks?
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Tesla Semi Vs. Paccar Peterbilt 579! Which is the Best Choice of 2023 Heavy Trucks?
02:15 The cost of this Semi is probably what interests you the most. So, how does its price fluctuate?
03: 27 What benefits does Semi offer over ICE cargo vehicles since it just uses electricity to power itself?
04:20 Does Tesla Semi use the 4680 battery that Tesla earlier claimed it would?
06:30 How has Elon Musk changed Semi's Performance & Capabilities?
07:05 So what has altered Semi's exterior?
08:37What about the interior of the car?
09:10 Finally, where will the Semi be manufactured?
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The Real Semi Truck With All New Uncovering Updates in 2023 is Here!
Tesla on Thursday delivered its first electric semitrailer truck to PepsiCo in the delivery event which was held at a factory near Reno, Nevada.
The all-electric Tesla vehicle finally launched into the market after a five-year delay. Besides PepsiCo, the ‘Semi’ truck grabbed the interest of global giants like Walmart, UPS, and Anheuser-Busch - and the five-year lag in production had left them patiently waiting for their own batch to land on their doorstep.
The cost of this Semi is probably what interests you the most. So, how does its price fluctuate?
Initially, when Tesla planned to offer the Semi with a quad-motor powertrain, it expected $150,000 for 300-mile version and $180,000 for 500-mile version to be the base price. On October 19, 2022, during the company’s Q3 2022 earnings conference call, Musk said that the Semi will be much costlier than a passenger vehicle.
"I don’t want to say the exact prices, but they’re much more than a passenger vehicle. So, with a few thousand heavy trucks of this nature would be worth several Model Ys."
However, Semi's price is incredibly affordable when compared to other automakers in the same market. Volvo with a Volvo VNR Electric, so far, Volvo has certified 18 dealers to handle electric trucks, another 55 are in process at a cost of $150,000 to $300,000 a dealership. Or the Peterbilt 579EV is also sold at the same price, $150,000.
What benefits does Semi offer over ICE cargo vehicles since it just uses electricity to power itself?
Tesla says that diesel trucks are 20% more expensive in terms of operational costs. The Tesla Semi costs USD 1.26 per mile, while an average diesel truck costs USD 1.51 per mile. Tesla says the figures were calculated using a 100-mile route, 60 mph average speed, 80,000 pounds payload, USD 2.50 gallon diesel, and 7 cents per kWh electricity price. The point the company is trying to make is that the electric truck’s high initial price can be recovered by low operational costs and minimal maintenance costs.
Let's move to the section that I believe will be the most fascinating for people who want to possess this special Semi!
Does Tesla Semi use the 4680 battery that Tesla earlier claimed it would?
It’s been expected that the Semi would use the more advanced 4680 battery, but Musk shot that down, “Okay. The Semi doesn’t use 4680s,” he said when asked about deploying the batteries across the fleet. Instead, he said they are being used in Model Y as they continue to grow the production of the pack.
The Real Semi Truck With All New Uncovering Updates in 2023 is Here!
The Peterbuilt looks great for owner operators. The problem is that MOST drivers are company drivers and rarely get even a tiny bit of the luxuries offered. Most 579 features are optional, and will never be seen in company trucks.
Most of the options are in company trucks dude
Unfortunately a lot of company drivers treat the truck like a dumpster. Way back in the day I was assigned an international cabover, the previous drivers (had a team in it) had cut a hole, with a chisel, in the aluminum partition in the sleeper, to run a cable for a tv. Never underestimate the ignorance of a company driver
@@PD-yd3fr there is two sides of the coin good and bad just like companies
the same as in China , the company pay less attention on the comfort about the truck , they usually care about the price more . so the luxury interior is unnecessary for the company , but important to the drivers .
94%of all trucks on the road are O/O
With 20 trucks or less
Max weight is not the same as usable load. This would be how much additional cargo by weight can you move vs the Peterbuilt.
In the real world, insurance companies charge much higher rates for trucks with high horsepower. The trucks have speed limiters and power limiters that cut the performance tremendously. The insurance companies have become abusive about it. Only owner operators have the optional features shown for these trucks. Want to know what a corporate driver gets? Delete anything optional, and you can see what most drivers have to work with. Most drivers on the road are company drivers. To be honest, if the beds in long haul trucks weren't standard, the drivers would be sleeping on boxes in the back.
Imagine the line of trucks waiting for a charge🤣
Some engineers are looking at propane generator to charge the system. You gotta think outside the box.
We still don't know the empty weight of Tesla Semi. So we cant calculate how much cargo can be transported.
I think it has to be something embarrassing because they have not announced it. And I think hiding that information officially, and having it leaked inevitably will be damaging for the brand.
@Terry Orzechowski Yeah, I also hope it turns out to be great anyways. Still it feels dumb to not announce it officially. Leaked information always sounds as if the company tried to hide something dirty. And now this empty weight data will be leaked instead of just being announced by the company.
@Terry Orzechowski have you ever seen the drive motors on a Tesla S? This things motors are not going to be the size of footballs.
@Terry Orzechowski how old was your model 3 when the battery needed replaced?
@bary1234 if by leaked you mean a Pepsi Cola truck driver running his empty truck and trailer across a CAT Scale, yes, that's exactly what's going to happen. Then subtract that number from 82000 and you get the max cargo weight allowance.
This thing is going to be a disaster for anything less than ltl shorthaul 150 to 250 mile radius. Nothing more. And they sure won't be pulling anything heavy out of the Westcoast ports.
@Terry Orzechowski you truly don't understand logistics. You want your truck as light as possible and you want to put as much in or on the trailer as possible.
My daycab weighs weighs 33,000lb with one of my light tankers. That means I can haul 47000 lbs.
You're on drugs if you think any company is going to buy 2 trucks and 2 tankers and pay 2 drivers to move 2 24000 lb loads. Not to mention the extra time it'll take to hook up the equipment and pump off to loads.
I get your a Muskateer and all, but the real world operates completely differently to how Elon tells you it does.
Also, their building those semi's the exact same way they build the other Tesla trash. So you can expect the door handles to not operate properly, the vehicle to randomly shut down, the battery to take a shit, windows to go flying off the truck at highway speeds, etc.
Charging for 10 hours after going 300 miles because Elon decided that since it's Tuesday and he didn't like what his alphabets cereal spelled, he's shutting down your super charger. Etc
Niiiiice a black tesla motorome depicted in video.........VERY NIIIIICE! Awesome!
A Peterbuilt/Hyliion ERX is a much better solution to the tesla with its 1000 mile range etc
Other truck company's have smaller cab sleeper combos Kenworth has a 38 in sleeper compare it to that I see most everyone saying it's going to be changing the trucking industry. I SEE THEY DONT understand it .
I doubt pepsi and walmart would have ordered so many trucks if the finances didnt make sense. Glad they finally have some on the road with pepsi so we can all see the reality.
They ordered a bunch of the CNG trucks and they flopped horribly it’s all about tax credits
@@Knightsofjericho Perhaps, but CNG never succeeded in passenger car industry as Tesla has. It will be interesting to see how this works out.
The Tesla will also spend less time in the shop and more time on the road making money for the owner
Is the distance range measured with load with trailers, or just the tractor without a load
@Terry Orzechowski I think it was a Tesla employee driving, not Pepsi. And they gained over 4,100 feet at the Tejon Pass (Grapevine), and got back most of the energy used in the climb from regenerative braking on the way back down.
@Terry Orzechowski I didn't get the impression from the delivery video that this was at acceptance drive for PepsiCo. But I think that was an assumption on my part with no factual basis, so it's perfectly possible that this was an acceptance drive, and by a PepsiCo employee.
A meaningful comparison would be the life cycle cost of the two vehicles which shows the total capital and operating cost over the expected life of the vehicle. These vehicles are likely to last 750,000 to 1,000,000 miles, which would be 15 to 20 years at 50,000 miles per year.
Tesla is the best no oil change no diesel no DEF
Why would anyone in the trucking industry care about horsepower? Torque is what you need.
So the only true comparison of a Tesla vehicle is to another Tesla vehicle, as any other comparison is totally moot, because Tesla is just getting started, and the other guys have been around for over a century, and they’re living in the Jurassic age, and the new Tesla semi truck is the beginning of a new age, and so just the mention of Tesla is disrupting this industry, and in fact its already disrupted this industry, and so there’s no comparison of dinosaurs to a modern day Starship, as it would be like comparing the horse drawn carriage to a Tesla model S plaid.
So as Elon said, that in a couple years buying an ICE vehicle will be like buying a horse, and so I like horses, but I'm not trying to own one. Cheers🥂
As long as it wins on the 0 to 60 that's all truckers care about
As a cmv driver it’s range on one fuel stop my truck can 1800 miles so 0-60 is not a importance to cmv and if you can even use that 0-60 state troopers on your ass for speeding
Once you experience the freedom of a large windshield it's hard to go back to a smaller one with less visibility.
What!!!
Try cleaning that windshield.
Bottomline - 30% pollution from that Diesel Truck - out with the old - in with the new - America can create Solar Farms to charge those batteries in CA, Florida, TX and Arizonia
Crap!!! In with crap! Which pollution!? Does your tesla suddenly appear from nowhere!? Stfu!!! It’s all possible because of oil and oil byproducts and it runs on infrastructures built by diesel trucks, maintenance by diesel vehicles….
@@alanmay7929 $5 a gallon for Diesel is crazy - NO MORE BAIL OUTS FOR THE TEMPSTERS UNION -
@@michaelmourek3879 nonsense!!!!! So the unions should let greedy corporations and companies use them as slaves!? Wtf!!! There is a reason why union exist! To protect the workers! Why can’t the government step in and make regulations for better working conditions then!? Lol…
Solar farms in Hurricane prone Florida?
More buttons than and airplane Jesus
Tesla Semi Plaid 🙂
To barely haul 80,000lbs!? What a joke!! An Australian road train has 600hp ish and can haul two tesla semi fully loaded.
A scania 770s can haul two fully loaded tesla
The choice is simple, guess?
The Tesla Semi can't haul 45,000 lbs and can't go 1800 miles on a single charge.
The end
Eleven 10' k-barriers at 4,000 lbs. is 44,000 lbs. Is this close enough?
Not sure what good 1,800 miles is, if you have to take a 10 hour break every day. Unless you're team driving, in which case you should be not comparing with the Tesla Semi, which is a day cab.
@Ben Thurston if you're going off the video of the truck pulling a flatbed up the hill, past the truck pulling a van. Those jersey barriers don't weigh 4000 lbs.
1800 miles worth of fuel is 2-3 days without stopping for fuel. Regardless of 10 hours brakes. And, then it takes less than 30 minutes to fill up.
Let me make this simple.
That Tesla does nothing better than a diesel truck, except accelerate.
That's it.
If anything, a dursel electric hybrid, much like a giant Prius would be the best option.
But this Tesla Semi is a PR stunt.
It will probably be a good option for city driving and LTL. That's it.
@@purpletigerracing7087 If you search for "What does 10' Jersey Barrier Weigh", you'll get numerous citations showing a weight of around 4,000 lbs. Do you have any credible source that contradicts all of these?
The Tesla semi has a poor payload capacity.
That is nothing but idle speculation, since the payload capacity hasn't been announced. Some folks have tried to estimate it, based on a blatantly dishonest video by Thunderf00t; but that's completely wrong.
So much bullshit and lies that peterbilt has a sleeper weight difference! It's designed to stay out on the road for months
The 579 wins if your business is carrying cargo. Tesla can carry about 6 tons of cargo (half the capacity of a diesel semi), see the Tesla propaganda video. A typical diesel semi weight 17 tons empty with 13 tons cargo capacity. It will take 2 Tesla semi to carry the same load for one diesel semi. Do you want to buy extra trucks and pay extra drivers? Other electric semi has shorter range (smaller battery) because they want cargo carrying capacity. Carry potato chips is easier than carry water base soda. Another stupid idea from Musk.
Sounds like you're quoting from the Thunderf00t video showing catalog cuts from a Czech company for a barrier much smaller than the ones on the Donner Pass test, and weighing much less. The 11 barriers on the flatbed climbing Donner Pass were 10' standard K-barriers, which a multitude of sources will confirm weigh about 4,000 lbs. each. 11 x 4,000 lbs. = 44,000 lbs. payload.
The Tesla semi is far superior. Unless I was distracted you didn't mention that the Tesla semi will have much lower maintenance requirements and thus much lower maintenance costs in addition to the 200,000 give or take Savings in 3 years due to the differential between electricity cost and diesel fuel cost, there will be thousands of dollars of savings due to the semi needing virtually no maintenance. The brakes will last Almost indefinitely, there is no transmission no clutch assembly,, the extreme reliability and longevity of an electric motor that is not just an electric motor but the very state of the art, as compared to requirements for valve adjustments repairs to exhaust system engine overhauls oil and transmission fluid changes etc. It will be a financial necessity for any kind of trucking operation to remain competitive to switch to the Tesla semi in short order
It’s not
So the Tesla semi will never use the front brakes?
LoL it’s not about H.P. it’s about the torque but you knew that lol
300 to 500 miles, what a joke. Having to stop to charge 3 to 6 times for every diesel engines 1 stop. The weight of the Tesla means it can't carry maximum payload unless law changes are made. Most of my tickets have been for over weight loads.
Most of the safety features on the tesla trucks, I have on my hyundai 2.2 diesel.
Law changes *have* been made; see 23 USC 127(s): "A vehicle, if operated by an engine fueled primarily by natural gas or powered primarily by means of electric battery power, may exceed the weight limit on the power unit by up to 2,000 pounds (up to a maximum gross vehicle weight of 82,000 pounds) under this section."
I'll take the Peterbilt any day over the Tesla for OTR work. Sure the Tesla is good for local loads, but not for OTR work. You also make it sound like the Peterbilt is not capable of hauling over 80,000 pounds of cargo. It's not the truck that limits the weight that can be moved, it's the FMCSA regulations. Keep in mind, the extra weight of the Tesla will damage the roads more than the Peterbilt even when empty due to the weight of the truck. The Tesla will do 500 miles and need to charge (if you can find a charging station) for 30 minutes for just 70% full charge so the 2nd charge would need to be done at around 350 miles. The Peterbilt will do about 1600 miles on 1 tank (200 gal) at 8 MPG and then need to spend about 15 minutes re-fueling to have a full range available again. So, 1600 miles in the Tesla would require 3 to 4 re-charges (about 3.5 to 4 hrs.) and 2.5 to 3 days to complete. The Peterbilt could complete the run in 2 days under current regulations on 1 tank of fuel.
Pretty sure the Peterbilt is *not* capable of hauling over 80,000 pounds of cargo. First, diesel semis are limited to 80,000 pounds GVW And to haul even that, the truck and trailer would have to have zero weight, which I'm pretty sure isn't the case.
@@BigBen621 ya, I was talking about GVW. My point is, the only reason the Tesla is rated for 82,000lbs is due to the weight the batteries add to the rig. If both rigs had the same cargo, the Tesla will probably come in at or around 2000lbs heavier because of the batteries. So, while the tesla can be at a GVW of 82,000lbs, that doesn't mean it will carry more product.
@@bbstacker4926 I think we're on the same page. To be clear, it's not just Tesla that's allowed an extra 2,000 lbs. GVW--it's all natural gas or electric powered trucks. I'm guessing the Tesla tractor will be more than 2,000 lbs. heavier than diesel tractors, as you say because of the batteries; and so it will likely have somewhat less load capacity-but not dramatically less, as some folks are claiming based on a blatantly false video by Thunderf00t. So potential buyers will have to decide whether it's worth taking a modest reduction in load capacity to gain a large reduction in operating costs. My guess is that many will, especially since reportedly many loads are limited by volume, and not weight. This is particularly relevant because the first Tesla Semis will be operated by Frito-Lay. Can you really fit 40,000 lbs. of Fritos in a semi trailer? 🙂
Obviously, there will be many tasks for which the Tesla Semi isn't appropriate--including coast-to-coast trips with two drivers, so that each driver can drive the maximum 11 hours. What we'll be finding out over the next months and years is just how many tasks are appropriate for the Tesla Semi; but Tesla didn't become the largest selling automobile-not EV-in eight countries, by misreading the demand for their vehicles!
@@BigBen621 Yep I agree. As built, I think this truck will be great for the local market, or runs up around 1000 miles. Gotta see how the industry reacts and how fast they can get the charging stations put in place nation wide. I'm thinking the major truck stops need to buy into building charging stations at each of their locations so the trucks can keep moving. Unfortunately that will take up parking space that is already hard to come by. If I were running a day cab or short haul operation, I would really take a look at this truck.
@@BigBen621 😂 😂 you are slow I have a peterbilt 389 Cummins (paccar would run a little less) and I do LBO (look that up before your idiotic comment) that trailer has 8 axles each axle is allowed to pull (with permits) so normal truck has 4 with a 1 steer so that’s 11 axles so I’m allowed 176k lbs and usually run 150s constantly and my truck hits 800lbs with no problem and she has pulled over 200 when I had a military contract so please do not rush to comment when you have 0 knowledge about the subject
Tesla energy savings alone will make the diesel obsolete. How can you compete when one Tesla saves $200,000 in energy savings over 3 years?
Tesla Semi should have a 32" TV in the "sleeper cab" drop-down twin mattress, the outdoor security cams should auto shoot instantly to the 32" TV display and front displays for movement getting close to the Semi, flamethrowers pointed in front of doors in case break-in thieves/murderers, etc. And all trailers should have solar panels on the total top of the trailer to help recharge battery packs for a little extra mileage while driving or parked. Solar should extend wider while parked with enough space around with a push of a button for faster auto solar charging. Trailers while off the truck can be charging infrastructure to help energy problems and to earn a bit of exta cash.
You're wrong about the flamethrowers. Texas won't be carrying liquid fuel. They will use high energy lasers with facial recognition to get them between the eyes.
@@Doug-gp2qw Nice 👌 Idea!
You would have to own the trailer or else all those solar panels are going to be left at your destination.
@Pogo This is why I said ALL trailers should have solar so no matter what trailer you are using, it would come with solar on top, if every trailer in the US had solar it would definitely put a small dent into the infrastructures power at peak demand times while the trailers are off loaded and parked in storage. I don't know how often trailers are unhooked from semi trucks, but would be neat if not only houses and solar farms had solar roofs, but everything that is lying about in the sun with enough space to add any amount of panels. I understand your comment, if you don't own the trailer, you won't be getting paid for the electricity incoming, that would be tricky.
Pepsi will tell us soon enough if the Tesla Semi is any good.
I have a 579 ultra loft and I have to say with I’ve been thinking about the Tesla semi a lot. Mostly about the fuel savings I pay anywhere from 2500-4500 dollars in a week (I’m a team operation) but In the Tesla’s I could save all that money run solo and still make the same I do now. I’m talking to my company about me getting Tesla (sleeper and when I know the recharging locations more) gonna let them work out the kinks for Tesla but I’m sure I’ll be the first to get one in my company the trucking world is slow to adapt
Did I would hold of on that remember that the taxes that they put on diesel haven’t made over to electric yet and they are talking about raising the tax higher per mile for eletric
@@Knightsofjericho the US had a major breakthrough in fussion they had a net positive reaction so the future is here
@@lesstevens2370 true, but that was proof of theory in the lab. Looking at a generation at least until that tech begins to integrate. Both points are valid. Cheaper power is coming, but existing utilities are fighting to retain their control; taxing power for EVs… surreal.
It's clear the current Tesla cab is designed as a day cab, knowing of it's distance limitations.
I work in the Trucking industry, I'm not so sure these electric trucks will take over until the technology will allow 1,000 miles+ per charge. Which should be able to fully recharge inside of a driver's 10 hour break. Until then, it's just hopeful thinking. Diesel engines will still be the industry standard.
Not to mention what is going to happen if 10 K trucks all plug in at once ! Will our infrastructure be able to handle it ? At the moment I say NO it would collapse. Do you see how many Trucks are on the road nowadays ? Triple what it was 20 years ago. Stop and think about it.
They have a range of 500 miles, and can add 280 miles in a 1/2 hour during the required break; so a solo driver in a Tesla Semi can legally drive as far in a day as a diesel semi, and can fully recharge five times over during a driver's 10 hour break.
To add, with the ability to convoy, fewer drivers are needed for greater semi utilization. I’m a dummy to the industry, do long haul truckers often exchange their trucks to other drivers between 14 hour shifts?
Some states are offering further handouts that will decrease the cost of buying their TESLA, to as low as thirty thousand dollars. The reliability removes the cost and lost time of brake work, and the annual broken screen the average truck requires. The insurance, tyre wear, the tyres are inflated to control wear and will steer out of any potential ten thousand dollar, Jack knife. The comfort of being able to drive a normal load some seven hundred miles between stops, then a maximum load, to five hundred. The cost of fuel, elecitricy, is better than ten percent. My Father would order fifty if he hadn't died on the very cusp of this revolution. Get out of the blocks, and run with this, now!
Great video. A lot of time was invested jn discussing sleeper cabs.
If you believe even half of the hype about fully autonomous self driving, we just might totally negate the need for sleepers since computers do not need to sleep! Frightening.
I'll keep my peterbilt and let's see how this truck will work in the northeast with the truck stops up there
Owner operator of a 579 here... I'll keep my Pete for so many reasons not listed here but can't wait for diesel prices to go down after every one goes electric. I will keep an eye on these over 10 years to see how they go from freezing Wisconsin to burning Phoenix Temps parts availability etc. Very interesting 👍
Sorry mate but once you lose benifit of scale diesel prices are heading far high as are parts a labour to fix your truck.
I have a question . freezing cold weather can empty the battery like very very easily . what I have experience about the battery . cold weather can kill your battery very easily so how can you wait for your charge
@@alanrickett2537 A Pete or any other diesel is much better to operate and overall cheaper. The Tesla tractor is a joke unless it is used for local purposes only. Forget running over the road in a Tesla, the technology is not there yet.
@@JAAB9296 the semi is for local delivery hubs Tesla say that as do everyone else, cheaper to run is plain not true cheaper to buy we will find out over time fleet buyers only care able operating costs so if the buy them you are wrong if there's no market you called it , but you should know MAN, Pete, Volvo and many more don't think you are right as they have spent a lot of cash building electric trucks as well.
@@alanrickett2537 Know why Pete and Volvo and others are working on producing EV Tractors? Because that what the government wants and because of stakeholder capitalism. Those trucks will never work like they shood as we will see. Keep in mind that our energy grids will never be able to handle the electrical load needed to charge the trucks or cars. Period. What is going to happen is anybody who has any type of EV will have to ad bide to what the government says, what days they can charge and when they can't. Watch, you will see.
My son had a pacar peter and it is absolutely a POS....Used coolant and oil in excess....had to replace the engine within 2 years. Bolt fell out and radiator fell into fan....new rad replacement...many various failures.....Tesla has to be better. They got a new International
Tesla is not known for QC, it's 100k cars are often less well put together than a Toyota Corolla.
I’d have an S series V8 Scania over these every single day of the week, I worked for Tesla for 14 months and understand how ridiculously cheap their vehicles are made, every material is ridiculously cheap some parts you’d find the same quality in toys. Will never buy one after seeing it all first hand
Let a independent agency compare the trucks. Since Tesla only has a day cab compare it with a day cab. And let drivers do the comparison. I’m a retired driver with 38 years experience. EV will have its place in time.
It's pretty clear from reading the comments the vast majority of you have no actual understanding or knowledge of trucking in the US.
82000 lbs is total gross vehicle weight (tractor + trailer + cargo).
Payload = cargo only
Tesla has not disclosed tractor weight, hence we can't know for now what the payload capability will be.
In 2020 Tesla impact report they did say it will have equivalent payload capability as a diesel tho.
The reveal day video shows a flatbed with 11 concrete highway construction barriers on it; if these are Jersey barriers they're 4,000lb each, and a standard diesel semi can haul 12. The implication is that the 500 mile range Tesla Semi tractor unit weighs around 6,000lb more than a diesel semi tractor unit.
I think the 579 is the superior toad in this matchup, so far better sleeping accommodations but of course you will all ready be at your destination with Semi being so fast and zero maintenance and fuel fill ups... Who would want to crash in the cab without diesel fumes on you... Dua! 🤣😂😁🥴🤯
Thanks ofor your comment and have a good day !
How cheap will it be to run these EVs once Uncle Sam figures out how to get their road tax?
Tesla's truck is a regional day cab. The trucks most folks think of is a sleeper cab equipped class 8 truck. Its a cross country beast, not a 500 mile regional route wonder. (Like the Tesla) :)
Just an update for the Tesla SuperCharger 1000+kWh charging rate.
Tesla is the better one over time because of maintenance it will be cheaper. it is safer for both other people and drivers and the driver itself as because of you not needing to change gear so you wont miss a gear when going down hill. It also doesn't use its brakes as electric vehicles can use regenerative braking. also the battery pack is around 900kw not 1000kw so its lighter than it will be expected. also the reason it can have a payload of 82000 is because of a law written in 2020 i think it was which added 2000 pounds for electric semis.
It has a gross vehicle weight of 82,000 lbs., not a payload.
@@BigBen621 that's true.
Look up the weight of the Model Y battery pack, the Semi has the equivalent of 10-11 of those. Look up the weight of the diesel power pack, it's transmission and fuel, (ignore the coolant system as the Telsa has those, ignore the weight of the breaking systems as the Tesla has them as well as the air pumps), You'll find that unless the Tesla Semi is using a titanium and carbon composite in it's chassis, it's going to weigh more than the comparable day cab diesel truck.
@@pogo1140 I don't think anyone's saying the Tesla won't weigh more than a comparable day cab diesel truck; of course it will. Yes, the batteries are much heavier. But the motors are of course much lighter than the diesel engine, and no transmission or fuel. While the Tesla has a heating/cooling system, it'll be much lighter than the diesel because of far less heat to reject than the diesel engine. Plus the Tesla gains 2,000 lbs. in GVW (82,000 vs 80,000). So the question is going to be "how much heavier is the Tesla Semi, and how much payload will it lose?".
Tesla has said the payload is comparable; but even if it's somewhat less, there may be many operators who'll take a modest loss of load for a major reduction in operating expense. In addition, reportedly a large proportion of loads are limited by volume, and not weight; for example, the first Tesla Semis are going to Frito-Lay, and I doubt you can put enough Fritos in a trailer to overload it. For those who just must have maximum load and aren't concerned about operating cost, the Tesla Semi may just not be the truck for them.
@@BigBen621 It's still a net loss because the total weight of the diesel motor and it's associated equipment is less than the battery resulting in a heavier truck even if the weight of the electric motors, it's reduction gears (3 sets which combined weigh as much as the diesel's transmission) weighed just 10 lbs.
Now we have BEV Semi's why aren't the tops of trailers fitted with solar cells. In this way the batteries can be topped up with charge. On a 40ft trailer you should be able to get 20-30 300W solar cells. This would give a @6kW -9kW of charging. If a trailer carried a 30kWh pack then 3hrs of driving the truck driver could charge from the 30kWh battery pack.
I've seen these curtains that you can pull over your standard container to conceal your load from prying eyes. I've also seen reports on flexible thin film solar cells that are now available. What if you make these curtains using these new solar cells? This could be a real game changer. I have no idea how the economics will work out, but this will be definitely be invaluable in an apocalypse event.
Because that trailer may or may not belong to the company, most trucks will leave the trailer at the destination and go pick up another load
@@pogo1140 I think it would make sense for trailer owners to put solar panels on top of their trailers. They can charge a bit more to BEV truck owners. Obviously when BEV Semi trucks become more popular >20% of the market I think it will make sense.
Tesla still has to ramp production AND install enough charging stations for the semi's. Until this happens, Tesla won't really be competitive in OTR trucking. Not to mention the industry is still waiting to see it in action and determine if it lives up to claims.
There is no real comparison between the Tesla semi EV and current diesel trucks.....yet.
A lot of talking around bits and pieces but you're not making a lot of sense in many of the areas.
I agree no comparison to an otr truck yet. Actually we don't really have any idea of the actual weight of the Tesla yet so no idea of the actual load it can carry. Seems almost certain it must be pretty heavy or they would be published.
I don't think they will make an otr version for at least four or five years as they will be swamped with day cab requests for a while as really well suited for that.
@@De4dSp0t How much do you want to bet on that? They will be producing over 1 million of these a year by 2030. They will dominate the market easily.
Let say..correction plesae. Anyone .
150 kw generator use a 6 liter diesel engine burn 3 gal hour. Charge 1Mw
In 6.66 hr aka 400 minute
20 gal diesel x4$80$
÷ 500mile
= |16|19|23|.cpm
Dsl$. |..4|. 5| .6|.gal
Generator cheaper lighter than battery
train Engine..
Yt vid show various
Tesi with generator
One 10kw(warperceptn)
To small. Burn 18 mpg
Other pull 50kw 3.9lt
Un finished vid
Maybe 30 mpg
Is said tesi make 187mpg equivalent
Tesemi mpg equivalent.
42 mpg ??
72 ÷ 12 (cpm) = 6
7 mpg diesel x 6
=42 mpg ??
Diesel electric fuel 1/2of
Diesel trans differential
According to me
That be 14mpg 28 cpm
Acades ÷.66= 21 mpg
19 cpm ???
Tesisemi battery 70k$
Weight 6000 lb
150 kw gen could be
6 + gph
You didn't bring up the difference in servicing, which will be way cheaper and faster on the Tesla Semi.
Nope
Before or after the warranty expires?
Tesla is the best!!
Yeppp
Not a proper comparison, Day Cab v sleeper, both trucks are for different Uses.
Why not compare with there ELECTRIC Models
80,000 lbs is not the max of the peterbilt it’s the max legal weight. It can haul 80,000-120,000 lbs on some states, Canada and Mexico without doing anything to the engine or drivetrain.
I would welcome an electric truck just not with this company and it’s owner. One problem I see is the late loads because of the time lost waiting for a charging lane. 30 mins for 70% vs 10 mins fir a full tank. How much of a departure to find a charging station?
The day my boss buys an electric truck I will quit and start working anywhere else!
Reason? I drive in arctic conditions during the winter and I don't want to freeze to death if I get stuck during a storm or something like that.
The storm itself is not a problem, the problem is that there will be hundreds of other, mainly private cars, who will have a more urgent need of assistance than I.
Our Scanias consume about 2 liters/hour on idle so that will keep me warm in my truck for several days if I get stuck, waiting for tow or EMC somewhere.
I can guarantee you that the batteries in a Tesla will NOT last as long!
Fortunately the fleet owners know what questions to ask and if Tesla can't answer them with proven test results they will not be buying these overhyped toys.
For example, I need to install a charger, how much does that cost, how many trucks can I charge in a shift on this charger. What is my actual purchase price per truck including the charger. Much more than a 579 you say.
So many holes in Tesla's presentation.
Has anyone actually seen the one Pepsi truck actually working?
Why compare a cross country long haul with a short to medium haul?
I'm a company driver and I'm driving a Peterbilt 579 with all the bells and whistles this is my second truck like this. It's just take a little time to get use to it. It's a fine truck to drive. But the cars and trucks around is where you have problems because they always want to cut you off or get in front of you with very little space between you.
Will he even mention the payload capacity?
I got my answer, he doesn’t even understand that the capacity of the payload isn’t the same as gross weight.
Embarrassing
No jack knife info
In this video you see only the Tesla and long nose Trucks, but long nose Trucks are mostly used in northern America the rest of the world used European style Trucks. This style of truck is just build for the north American market but not for the world market.
TCO includes battery life, and replacement, and its end of useful life. Fire is also a big concern, and the ethics of all of its production, let's not forget reliability to prove....
Peterbilt has been around since prehistoric times; Tesla has a LONG way to go to change everyone’s minds!
The tesla trucks will be just as poorly assembled as the cars. Plus if I can't put my arm out the window it's a no for me
There are more big rigs working oil and gas industry than OTR. How are these Tesla's off road?
10:12 color
To be more environmental friendly and to more of a road truck. They will have propane generators clean and no emissions
Why Don't You Tell Us What We DO NOT KNOW About The Tesla SEMI???
if heavy trucks are wanted than Tesla bur for load heavy Pete ofc..
pete ause u can still get fuel around nation but electric trucks... garbage due to whers charging ports all over usa?
The guy at the very start of the video...sounded just like Dave Sparks
by the way...which trucks position in first place though..👍
I would happily own the Tesla. I would noy own any diesel semi, to much stink and noise.
ITS ALL ABOUT $$$ 200k thats a house every 3 yrs
The tesla semi horse has bolted, now everybody is scrambling to have some sort of inferior wannabe on the marked, I feel kinda sorry for them, because it took tesla 5 years to get the semi to market, and tesla have all the leading engineers tied up. Viva tesla.
Tesla was not the 1st company to have an electric truck in production.
@@pogo1140 it's because of tesla that we have all the other ev's on the road, and once we start comparing spec's, teslas superior performance stands out.
Tesemi tesi
What will the pepsico tesla trucks have as their options
Most of the people that say tesla is the best semi aren't even truck drivers
I'd like to see how the tesla handles in high winds. My 579 doesn't move around.
Oh. And it's 80,000 lbs gross. So tesla can't heal 82,000 lbs.
Once again, trucks powered by electricity or natural gas get an extra 2,000 pounds, for 82,000 lb. GVWR for the Tesla Semi.
Virtually all of these points are irrelevant. What's the cost per mile, including service and maintenance, annualized over 5 year? That determines your cost, which determines the delivery price, which at the end of the day decides if you'll get the job.
So thinking about it, just admire the emperor's new truck!
I can't help but point out a small detail.
In Europe the reason that trucks are shaped as they are is because of the max. length. In other words, the longer the cabin... the less cargo available space.
In other words, Elon is such a *genius* that his truck is something that by it's sheer design will be of no interest in the EU.
On top of that the entire west coast of the US has been having power brownouts all summer long and people are being told not to charge their electric vehicles. I wonder what an already overloaded power grid is going to do when when 10k trucks all want full gigawatt charging at the same time in the early evening every day. And Tesla is promising that will be coming, but when it has take over a decade to get charging to where it is now and it is still difficult to find an available supercharger at times.
0:11 my goodness is that truck running on firewood.
Compare with Cummins or car paccar is worst engine
How about the Nikola?...Oh, that's right, it only works going down hill
Im a Tesla Fan, but, Nikola is making a real comeback in the Semi arena. Not just sure how it will be accepted after its downhill saga.
who hauls the most weight the farthest, that's what gets the job done.
More hp
Less torque
And a 1000hp diesel truck will haul about 2 tesla semi fully loaded 😅😅😅😂 just look at Australian road trains with 600hp
@@alanmay7929 Aussie rt
Tired of hearing of tesla throw one out then we will know...
If driving between charging stations, BEV is a good option. Otherwise if you don't have charging, diesel is still an option. When will Tesla conquer Africa, India or other countries that still not have charging capabilities.I will wait 4 years and see who is coming out on top. Tesla or some other?
With 40,000+ Superchargers, Tesla owns and operates the largest global, fast charging network in the world. Thanks for your comment and have a good day !
Does Petetbuilt have access to the super chargers that Tesla has?
Most important point cost per km very poorly covered 😢
Old truckers never die, they just get a new Peterbuilt!
The tesla semi will not have a larger payload than the Pete. Both can't weigh more than 80000 pounds per federal law.
No one is claiming that the Tesla will have a greater payload that the Pete; but it *will* have a 2,000 lb. greater GVWR than the Pete. See 23 USC 127(s): "A vehicle, if operated by an engine fueled primarily by natural gas or powered primarily by means of electric battery power, may exceed the weight limit on the power unit by up to 2,000 pounds (up to a maximum gross vehicle weight of 82,000 pounds) under this section." I'm surprised how few people commenting on an electric semi video aren't aware of this.
In order to save $200000 in fuel the truck would have to go 80000 miles in one year
Thats only 270 Miles a day for 300 days a year. So easily managed on a single shift.
I never subtracted the cost of electricity for charging. So you're gonna need a lot more miles than that to make up for it. Don't forget you'll be carrying less weight and making less money for the same trip. So we need to take that off for there too. Most likely you're gonna have to pay for charging stations at your company so let's go ahead and take that out too. Now you only need a million miles a year.
Ugh, this is so biased and misleading...
Tesla needs to add HUD in all vehicles!
Show me sleeping and living accommodations in the tesla, and it might be what worth having.
You may have missed that this is a day cab.
Peterbilt Hypertuck ERX is the answer