Want Solid State AND Tube? The LYR + is for you!
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
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You know you're watching a audio-oriented channel when they're apologizing about construction five blocks away underground. Compared to some other channels I watch that couldn't give less of a .... if they had their* mic in a washing machine. Five blocks away. Underground.
sweat, clean and to the point with the excellent cinematography that we've spoiltly grown to expect :D
I'd love me a Schiit stack, especially with a lokius in the middle
Great video, your channel is definitely underrated and I've thoroughly been enjoying it. Decided on some ATH R70Xs and a Toppping DX3 Pro+ and cant wait to get into the audiophile world. Thanks Josh.
Letting that sink in. You have to switch back and forth constantly to even possibly hear any sound differences and then at the best case scenario it's 100% subjective.
I think about getting the Lyr+ tube for my HD800s 🤩
Just got this today to compliment my Modius/Magnius stack.
I have the Modius/Magnius stack. How does it compare?
@@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST It’s definitely different. I use it with my Sennheiser HD 800s. Haven’t tried my other headphones with it.
Technically, the long switching delay seems logical. I don't know of any other amp that has those 2 options.
Thank you for this great review and helpful perspective.
the delay is just one of the down sides of all tubes in general.. they need a little bit of time to warm up before they engage.. but once they do, you are in for a treat!!
You mean like 5 to 12 hours to warn up properly…
I use a vintage Luxman speaker amp for my headphones, that's sounds almost tubey. 40$
The 2 modes probably are slowly switching because of the safety circuit, that always needs some time. I’d say it’s predictable behavior.
I'm going to parrot what everyone says in the comments on these types of videos, but.... Try rolling tubes and try NOS tubes. This amp with a good, vintage syrup-y tube does have a nice characteristic that's very different than a solid state
Great review! I'm glad to see someone cover the Lyr+ because I feel like there's not a lot of reviews on it and having own one since launched I think it's a fantastic amp. I actually disagree with your assessment of the solid state component, but I think you were spot on with the tube qualities.
Also I love the new shirt design! I'd love to see some similar color work on the headphone shirts. I picked up one of the tees but I would have liked to see a baseball sleeve shirt offered as well
I'm actually thinking between the Lyr+ and A90D. How well does the Lyr perform and sound in solid state mode?
Topping A90D a better SS amp vs the Lyr+? Seriously 😳?
No review as a pre w/speakers? It does have a remote! Please do a follow up :D
So I have a Little Dot mk2, with some vintage tubes in it. I drive either a pair of Focal Elegia or HiFiMan Sundara with it. So I'm curious about this since you compared it so favorably to the Dark Voice. And I have the Freya+ (again with vintage tubes) and therefor am familiar with, and rather like the Schiit sound in general. Source would be either a Denafrips Ares 12th for digital or a Rega RP-8 with a Hana Umami, into a Rothwell SUT and then a Pro-ject Tube Box DS2, then into a Freya+ in passive mode and into the Lyr+.
Yes! Give into the tube!
This is the way!
I'm currently using an MCTH+SDAC with HD6XX. I really like the sound, but I wonder if I'm giving the 6XX enough power to tightly control the driver. I know the advice is to put money into upgrading the headphones before upgrading the amp. So I guess my question is this: would $650 put into the Lyr+ be a better upgrade than putting $650 into new headphones to use with the dac/amp I already have? The MCTH+SDAC does have a pre-amp RCA out, so I can still use the SDAC with the Lyr+.
@@joanfrederick9176 Josh previously recommended the Koss KSC75's in that price range. Audiophiles have a sickness. Some of us spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on equipment for listening to music. The average audiophile probably has at least a few thousand in gear. Don't be like us. Stay happy at under $50 if you can. Other audiophiles will upvote this, because we all know. We all know.
As someone who kept his HD 6XX after buying pricier headphones, if you like them as is, you'll love them with a lot of power. It's no hyperbole how much better they scale up with a cleaner signal and higher power.
Once I got a Schiit Modius/Magnius stack, they really performed so much better with the additional wattage in balanced mode with the stock cable converted to XLR balanced.
Bass got tighter, mids got even more textured, the highs sounded clearer and the soundstage got wider.
I suggest you get a beefy amp first for them, because they have a lot more to give.
@@joanfrederick9176 Yup. Any of those affordable Koss headphones sound great for their price.
If you want something over the ear with more fidelity, the Superlux HD-668B (under $40) and HD-681 (under $30) are amazing for the price and give you a taste of how expensive headphones sound.
I own both along with a couple +$1000 headphones and they still rock in comparison.
First: DV is OTL while LYR+ is a hybrid
Second: Using a Tung Sol in LYR and Stock Tubes in DV might lead to your conclusion. Why don´t you try the ceap chinese driver tube from DV in the LYR for comparison?
Your way to compare them seems pointless, because you´re comparing not only the amps but the tubes too.
For this pricetag you can get a Darkvoice (OTL) + xDuoo MT-602 (hybrid) and still have a lot of cash left for tube rolling them both. If you don´t mind the remote.
Would you ever test out the XDuoo TA-22?
I’m curious if you are going to review the nitsch pietus Maximus
Serious question: One tube, two channels. What does the tube do?
I have the Lyr+. Some thoughts:
First, the quality control is typical Schiit*. It stopped working because of button/face plate misalignment (search around on forums for more info on this design flaw; this is a common problem and Jason even admitted that they are working on redesigning the buttons: they should have never released a product so flawed to begin with, at least at this price point). I had to push the chassis around to get the buttons realigned, to "pop" back into place so they "clicked" and then it worked...now I'm afraid to move the thing; or even roll a tube.
The sound is...fine. For its price point it's good in like a solid B. Nothing more or less and don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise. It's better than some slightly lower priced amps, but for two to three hundred more (or even around the same price; e.g. Flux offerings) you can get a lot better (especially used) as it doesn't punch above its weight. It does nothing really wrong, but it has no "magic", even with the tube stage that really sounds much like the SS stage (I blind tested and couldn't tell most of the time). It replicates the typical mid-fi solid state sound: too much glare/hardness, especially in the highs, not enough staging (layering, depth, imaging), too much of a "flat wall of sound" that results in some shoutyness with the wrong headphones, not the greatest resolution, lacking realism (feel like you're listening to music but not experiencing it or able to pick tangible sounds out of the air), but it does have an energetic, fun, dynamic type of sound and it doesn't sound as clinical or fatiguing as something like a Topping or no name Chi-Fi amp. I don't find it particularly powerful either: on both the SS and tube stage I usually had to put the knob at 12+ for a medium listening level with various headphones and IEMs.
Overall, even though I like idea of the overall design (ability to switch back and forth between SS and tube and a remote), in practice the malfunctioning due to an inherent design flaw, the price, the subtle at best difference between SS and tube rendering that draw inconsequential, and overall fine but unimpressive SQ makes this a return for me. My reference/comparison gear, and gear used for testing include the Ferrum Oor, Burson Funk, Cayin iHA-6, Gilmore Lite Mk2, WA6 2nd gen amps and EE Odin IEMs, HE 1000v2, a friend's Abyss Diana and Final Audio 800. I will say I like the Lyr+ better than the Funk, Cayin, Gilmore and WA6 as they all have, imo, severe sound flaws while the Lyr+ does not ("just" a severe design/reliability flaw!).
*This is my 3rd Schiit product: one lasted a whole year then died, the other a couple years before developed random channel drops. This is with light use. Moreover, from years of feedback on forums, as well as others I know who have had Schiit products, they just never had very good design/quality control (making made in America stuff with beefy materials you have to cut costs somewhere). I knew that Schiit is a gamble in terms of reliability and longevity and I took that gamble one last time with the Lyr+ despite the many comments about issues with it; I will never again risk trusting Schiit to last; or even work properly from the beginning. So I will never buy another Schiit product.
what's the best bang for buck tube amp you can recommend? Woo Audio WA2 is the only one I heard is good bang for buck.
Lol you'll hear Joshua talk about QC for 5 min in his recent Moondrop video, but I don't believe I've ever heard him mention QC with Schiit despite how notoriously bad it is. His videos are so pretty though, so no comment ever calls him out on bad/missing info
I would never trust the Lyr. I owned a Hel2 and the switching between UAC 1 and 2 modes literally broke on its own (it was having issues randomly even when trying to switch between a PS5 and a Switch, despite both supporting the same USB Audio Class so it shouldn't have been switching in the first place). I don't trust any component on Schiit hardware that requires some sort of switching automatically.
I also dont trust their potentiometers on their lower end stuff (magni, Loki). So much noise introduced when adjusting the gain it was awful. I'm happy with my Asgard and Bifrost rn, but if/when these tap out there's no way I'm trusting Schiit with my next purchase. Their Customer Service is also trash, and they will charge you shipping even if they find their product was faulty within warranty (and will do no troubleshooting before they ask you to send it in)
TLDR; I wouldn't recommend buying a Lyr. Get a normal tube amp and a normal SS amp, you'll be happier.
I have four different Schiit products. I've had all of them for over four years. They continue to work flawlessly, and I love them. I see nothing but quality.
Got this with the Bifrost 2/64. I'm really loving all the extra flavors I've been getting with some of the recent tubs I got. Psvane for some wider Soundstage and sub-bass. Electroharmonix gold pin for a more warmer sound overall. The standard tungsol that fills pulls out the high end really well. Fills like I can fill in most gaps in any other headphones I decide to get without EQ!
Have you had any problems with reliability?
Please review the new Modi+, Magni+
Could you tell the difference between this and an Asgard 3?
As someone who owns the Valhalla 2, how would say the Lyr 3+ stacks up against it in terms of details, cleanliness and tonality?
So in other words the A90 D is overall a better solid state compared to the Lyr.
Which sound is better Shiit lyr+ or Burson soloist 3x Performance
I have an Asgard 3 and a Valhalla 2. I'm struggling with whether or not I want this amplifier. In my mind, I see the Lyr + as a replacement for both. Is it as good of a solid state amplifier as the Asgard 3? Likewise, is it as good of a tube amp as the Valhalla 2? I mean, it's a good dilemma to have, but a dilemma none the less.
Passion for Sound did a direct comparison between the Lyr+ SS mode vs Asgard 3, worth checking out. Fwiw I used to own the Asgard 3, and found it lacking a bit on soundstage width and clarity, but the Lyr+ (also own) has a very nice, clear SS mode. Take that with a grain of salt as I had the AG3 in 2019.
The Asgard 3 is amazing for the price. The first 500mw of Class A power really does it for me. Very smooth, very detailed, and non-fatiguing. It’s one helluva of an amp for $249.
Where the lyr differs from the valhalla is that it's hybrid, so doesn't have the high output impedence of the valhalla. This means it will generally pair better with low impedence drivers, but you won't get the same alteration to the frequency response that you get from an OTL amp (which could be a pro or a con depending on your preference)
@@LyK0sa That makes sense. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like my best bet is to just keep what I have. My whole motive for a tube amp in the first place is for the unique coloration they're supposed to give sound. That being said, I really can't tell the difference in sound between my Asgard and Valhalla using an HD6XX. I've AB them volume matched for the most part, and I'm just not hearing a tube sound. That being said, I hear that the Valhalla is SS like for a tube amp, and likewise, I've heard the Asgard is tube like for a ss amp, lol. What can you do? Perhaps Bottlehead Crack next. Or maybe this is the audiophile trap? Continuing to spend money for placebo?
@@RdandTrk1 you could try a 'dirtier' sounding tube amp if you've got money to burn, but honestly the difference is most likely quite subtle. I personally have a feliks echo, which is a pretty clean sounding OTL (pitch black background too, which is nice). The difference is there, but it's reasonably subtle, not a total sound overhaul... I do like it though. Personally I've decided to break the cycle, I've got a singxer SA1 and the echo, and I don't feel like I need anything else.
0:13 that intro sounds like a lot like a remixed version of acid rain from avenged sevenfold
Josh, would you mind reviewing the Schiit Valhalla? I have one and would love to hear your thoughts on it.
The Valhalla has a very clean and neutral sound - they sound pretty much the same as my Magni 3+ with my HD660S. I would love to know if or what alternative tubes I can use to get a different sound signature out of the Valhalla, if you have any advice on that. Maybe that syrupy sound I keep hearing about, I would like to experience that.
Power switch? Still on the back, well Schitt !
Review the hifiman ananda SE please
One of my parents tenants left a Schiit Lyr 2 behind. My dad asked me if I wanted it and since I like tech I said sure why not. I have no clue what this thing even does. What is it?
I've been long enough in the audiophile space to realize that after you reach one point(which is a lot lower than you might think), the diminishing returns are so little and barely noticeable. However the placebo and post-purchase rationalization effects are way stronger than any perceivable improvements in audio quality, unless of course you upgrade your trained ears to bat capability levels. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but the sooner you are aware of it the better for your wallet and your sanity, however audiophile companies and influencers might have a different opinion as they would rather keep you spending thousands chasing the next "upgrade" and keep watching their video reviews.
You have absolutely no evidence to back this up. The placebo is how you rationalise subjectivity.
Bear in mind that these RUclipsrs' incomes largely depend on how much they sensationalize the differences and benefits of the products that they cover offer.
The audiophile space is filled pure copium. You keep listening to those influencers and spend more money if that makes you feel better @@En_Joshi-Godrez
I just want something that powers the Susvara well and won’t cost 3000 dollars to do so lol
a good speaker amp maybe...
Comparison to the dark voice: this is a hybrid and the dark voice is pure tube (and therefore less accurate). I own neither of these, i just assumed that would be the difference :)
You cant even buy it in the UK its been out of stock for ages.......
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You know what the F stands for.
seiko gang represent
thats just a string of buzzwords as a product description
It's sort of an abstract for the hybrid architecture with actual few adjectives...
Can you send it to me plz I want one
you lost me at $600
$300 for meh tube sound and $300 for meh solid state. Stay away from tube hybrids imo just buy a solid state and then get an OTL down the road
@@patrickkelly8050 you lost me at $300
@@patrickkelly8050 So what you are saying is that since the most expensive amp I have ever bought is $100 (on sale), and am ever willing to pay, that I am missing out....I can justify spending $200, maybe even $300 on wired headphones, but I just don't see the purpose of speding close to that on an amp.
@@patrickkelly8050 ok wtf. I just got one a Schiit Lyr 2 for free but it’s missing the two tubes on top. I have NO clue what this machine does, but you’re saying I gotta pay $300 for these tubes!?!?
shout out..
600$ is without tube! So they're selling a tube amp without tube! Typical schiit scam!