Your patience is incredible. As an Irish person (like actually Irish, not Irish-American - very different ethnicity and culture!), it's enraging to hear when people try to conflate the Irish experience with the black experience in America. I had never heard of the 1863 riots and I'm disgusted but not surprised that immigrants tried to raise themselves up by tearing black Americans down. I might have to watch this video a few times to really catch all the nuance, and I love that. You don't dumb anything down and pack each video so full of useful information. And again, you have more patience and poise than I ever even hope to have!
I'm first generation (my mom's from Belfast) and it's shocking what some Irish Americans think about minorities. A few years ago Bernadette Devlin was invited to speak at some event in Boston for Saint Patrick's Day and they all assumed she was gonna give some feel good speech about Irish pride and she spent the entire time telling them that they're all hypocritical for being racist.
Thank you. Its irritating listening to nonsense over here like "Irish slaves", or the whole anti-irish issue in 19th century NYC, especially when irish immigrants and 2nd generation irish americans owned slaves or terrorized blacks because they were pissed off at President Lincoln. They felt they were better than us, and that attitude still lingers in some decendants in the US to this day.
I am very white (blue eyed ginger) but I am also Latina. I am often told that I can’t be both, as if my skin color makes it so I have to give up my culture. But I was born in Brazil and my first language was Portuguese. I understand I have a lot of privilege and advantages, but some Americans act like I’m faking being Latina to be exotic or some shit.
Dont let my fellow American put that false choice on you! They are literally stuck in black-white thinking, and will take generations to get out of that dead end.
@Ramsay Bolton Rich coming from a guy posing as Ramsay Bolton, a noble's bastard! He knew all about simultaneously being privileged and discriminated against.
Sounds like you’re race is Caucasian, but you are ethnically Brazilian. Even if you are first generation Brazilian, you’re Brazilian American. To have such rare recessive traits, odds are pretty good that your ancestors were predominantly European, in that what she mentioned, “Iberian” (Portuguese) mixing with northern European “Anglo Saxon). You are culturally Hispanic/Latin, but when you are lighter skinned than most Caucasians, it raises questions. Personally I question if Portuguese or Spaniards are Latin or Hispanic, since those who were born in those countries did not really mix with the natives of South America, and though influenced, have different cultures. But born and raised in Brazil, regardless of race makes you culturally, Brazilian. I would just tell people that.
Yes. And LOL, just like the person who made the first comment people are so stuck in their ignorance and bias that they don't even listen to facts or research or history to learn something new and why things are hey way they are today. That's the whole reason it's called origins of everything
Err...this channel comes across as very preachy, albeit that's only partly due to the videos themselves while the other part is typically due to the fairly skewed (ideologically) community it's gathered around it that you see in the comments. And funnily enough, I can say this as someone who's not white and in fact comes from a place with a wealth of people's well-accepted as having ethnicities, including in this very video (India).
I'm not saying there's no bias. It's definitely coming from one side more than another, but rather than telling people what/how to think, she presents facts.
i'm second/third generation american from italy and poland. it's very hard to explain the ideas of ethnicity vs race to my older family members. They still feel they aren't as privileged as other whites (or even argue that they aren't white because they aren't "WASPs,") but in modern America, that is not the truth. they look back on the black people who they once shared poor neighborhoods with who were unable to escape due to systematic racism and judge them for not being able to do what they did, not realizing that their whiteness is what enabled them to get ahead. "If I could do it, so can they." They use this mindset as an excuse to have racist attitudes, and it's incredibly frustrating because they refuse to listen.
I knew the race laws were weird because my granny had a cousin who married a black man before mixed race marriages were legal in the United States because she was an Irish immigrant so she wasn't considered fully white in the eyes of the law.
@@c.powell8472 From what I know they had a pretty good lawyer, but most of their legal issues came from the fact that it was still legal to refuse housing based on race so they were regularly turned away from or chased out of areas frequently.
@@punkrockbenny Oh damn, you are right about that. I'm really curious now. Did your Grandma's last name some how get passed down to you? How did you get your current last name?
FYI Interracial marriage was governed by state law and many states never even had legislation prohibiting it. Some western states had laws that were turned over in late 19th early 20th century, but it was mainly a few southern states that were forced to allow interracial marriage by the Supreme Court. This is another big myth that people need to understand.
Ethnicity is a very interesting topic in US/ Latin American relations: Most people of Latin America don't really consider themselves a separate ethnicity all on their own until they move to the US/Canada. Prior to that, they're white, black, native, mixed, etc. Though there are definitely separate ethnic groups within Latin America such as the many native groups, jews, romani etc. So if, say, a mixed jew from Uruguay moved to the US, they'd have two separate ethnicities and one, or more, race.
Latino is a culture that anyone of any race can be a part of and their is a history of Life Education and anti Blackness throughout Latin America. Latin America has kind of behind on the implications place. For example Mexico is a great example. Or many Caribbean islands. It's very complicated and nuanced
Well, Hispanic/Latino isn't seen as a "Race" by the U.S. Census Bureau but as an ethnicity, people like the baseball player Miñoso or the famous actress Zoë Saldaña are both racially "African-Americans" but ethnically "Hispanic/Latino".
@@-haclong2366 african American is not a race. Its an ethnicity. Thats the issue. People use black and AA interchangeably but they are not. Black is the race. African American is the ethnicity. Its even mentioned in the video. Zoe would be Afro-whatever he country is. That would be her ethnicity. For example. She is black. Her ethnicity is Puerto Rican. Her nationality is Puerto Rican (once again this is an example, I dont know is she is PR). She is Afro Latino. Afro Latino = black. All African Americans are black but not all black people (especially on this side of the world) are African American. They're are different black ethncities in the African diaspora. Hispanic means soanish speaking and oesnt include Brazil. Latino is a culture thats does include brazil that anyone of any race can be a part of. These are basic anthropological definitions. Culture and ethnicity do have very similar definitions so i can understand where the confusion comes from. But thats why the census asks are you Latino or hispanic first and then asks your race. Like non black Hispanic or balck Hispanic for example. Most people who come to American and are black identify as their home nation like Nigerian American or Afro Domincan American. African Americans are a describes people descendant of slaves in the US with a unique culture and heritage.
This Irish mob riot and violent acts perpetrated against black people is explained by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire, who wrote: "The oppressed, instead of striving for liberation, tend themselves to become oppressor" and "when the education is not intended to free people, the dream of the oppressed is become the oppressor" (this is my translation for the original phrase, so it can be known in english as other phrase, with the same meaning). The book "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" is a very good book.
Paulito didn't get it. The whole point was/is that new immigrants try to bond with caucasians in this country over their hatred for black people. It was true last century as it is true todaythen i've sat in spaces where black people were not part of the conversation , suddenly a foreigner would insult all black people out of the blue just to get kudos from caucasians.
@@AK-ne4og I thought that people would watch educational videos to learn, to not stay ignorant. I think that it hasn't started to have an effect on you yet. Keep watching . One day you will not be dumb. But today is not this day.
@@AK-ne4og Paulo freire was never implemented in the Brazilian educational system . If he had our educational system it would be better than it is now.
@@nickc3657 And splitting hairs is different from counterarguing. It works for you only because you don't use that term - to you they're probably not 'thinkers' at all, but rather some other choice words. And yet the vid used that term, because it anticipated that that's what they'd actually be doing - being critical. You'd rather not think of their criticisms as 'thinking', despite that being what's involved, and hence choose to take 'curious overthinker' as a 'euphemism', rather than just a neutral description of what they're doing (well, somewhat, since the 'over' implies it's excessive, a strange attitude for an academic to promote). You wouldn't recognize it as such though, since ironically critically thinking about the video isn't something you're interested in, just uncritically celebrating it.
I think this focuses too much on the view from the Americas. For the rest of the world, 'ethnicity' is not _so_ dependant on relatively recent migration or race, but more on centuries or even millennia old historical narratives of 'oneness'. Race is/was not necessarily significant, because historically, most ethnic groups were neighboured by other groups that looked pretty similar i.e. you can't reliably tell a Finn from a Swede based on appearance alone, nor Oromo people from Amharas. 'Ethnic groups' are/were generally marked by a distinct language (which not every member of the ethnicity necessarily speaks, but the mere fact it exists re-enforces a sense of historicity to the group e.g. the existence of Welsh as a language lends to a sense that Welsh people are distinct from English people). I don't think the idea of 'ethnicity' is as recent a concept as this video seems to suggest. The Romans and Greeks _adored_ talking about distinct groups of people who weren't necessarily politically united, but shared common linguistic and cultural traits (and generally a homeland) e.g. Germanic tribes, Thracians, Illyrians, Britons, Gauls...etc. And, as far as I can tell, other civilisations categorised people in along these lines as well. Sure, the _term_ 'ethnicity' is recent, but the idea of it is as old as humanity itself. Of course, this is definitely not to say ethnic groups are unchanging - pick any given one and you tend to see a long history of invasions, mass migrations and politics that can split, merge or otherwise fundamentally alter the socio-cultural boundaries of the 'group', but they are relatively persistent historically, particularly outside the Americas.
This focus on the US is because the US formally uses this, and expects others to conform to their definition of race/ethnicity in paperwork. Similar concepts exist elsewhere, (as you nicely point out) but this was a specific question :)
@@c.powell8472 the Romans thought that because the Celts lived in the cold it made them violent and vain, while people living south of the (in Africa) were lazy because of the heat. Only the Romans were perfect cos they lived in the perfect climate. Those stereotypes live on today - fighting Irish and lazy Africans!
I disagree with this (respectfully - I hope) I don't know where you are from but I'm going to assume Europe, correct me if I am wrong. I think because we are all aware of America's racism problem, we tend not to think about racism in our own countries, but I can tell you when polish people started coming to ireland, we were less than welcoming. And while it is true that you can't tell someone's country of origin as easily in Europe doesn't mean that we haven't tried. Have you ever seen old racist cartoons the British drew of the Irish for example. Then there is the way we historical treated the Jews (big nose joke was made even in Life Of Brian) to take a modern example those Polish I mentioned were stereotyped to have very very pale skin. Another example is in northern Ireland - I have a friend there that says she can tell a unionist from a republican in the space of 5 mins... Which is obviously nonsense. I can't speak for racsim I, like most white Europeans, do not really understand race in my own country because America really dominants the conversation. But for those reading this I do recommend "why I'm no longer speaking to white people about race" I can however say with some confidence that we have a long history of judging based on a ethinisity. Anyways this comment is so long and on my phone that I don't even know if it's a reply to yours!!! I just had some throughts about Europe and its history of categorising people. Reply if you also have thoughts or just have a nice day 😊😊😊
Please change the title to something like "what is ethnicity in the US?". The title is quite misleading as the video ended up being very American centric. The definition of ethnicity for Americans is a lot more complex than it is for the rest of the world, since Americans are ethnically mixed. One black American person might be a mix of Igbo, Yoruba, Wolof, Akan, Irish and English. These are all distinct ethnic groups. For an African their ethnicity is the group of people their share close heritage (lineage), region, distinct language and distinct traditions. So, their ethnicity would be, for example, Hausa or Somali or Beja etc. Even if they migrate to another country their future children will have their ethnicity as long as they marry their own ethnicity, otherwise that child's ethnicity will be mixed. That's why many people dislike interracial/inter-ethnic marriages/relationships. Ethnicity is not interchangeable with race. All the African ethnic groups mentioned above would be classified as "black" when it comes to their race.
Carla MSM I was thinking of something cute that had to do with time travel or history. Since that’s what the channel is about. But I was thinking of “Paradox Phil” or “Timmy the time traveler” or something.
It's so sad how Americans are tend to confuse between Nationalities, Ethnicities, and Race. In place I'm from, Race are Europeans, African, Asian, Native American, etc. Nationalities are Mexican, American, Canadian, etc. Ethnicities are German, French, Italian, etc. It's easy to confuse Ethnicities and Nationalities, but the amount of "My race is Mexican" I heard from people on Internet is very concerning as Mexican is Nationality in my eyes.
Basically American classification: 1. White - actually not a race, just a subset of Caucasoid race, which is "light enough". Caucasians which are "dark enough" do not fit into this category. Basically "white" is a term of colorism. 2. Black - artificially lumping together different dark-skinned populations like "Negroid", "Pygmies" and "Capoid" (Khoi-San) people of Sub-Saharan Africa, some dark skinned Caucasians of North East Africa and "Australoid" people (Australian aboriginals, Papuans and Melanesians). Even though those groups have different anthropology, genetics and history... Not to say mixed-race people with any degree of "black" ancestry also fit here, if they look "black enough". 3. Asian - geographical term, lumps together all groups from 4/5 of Eurasia, which is beyond arbitrarily defined "Europe". 4. Native American - pretty good, all Natives of the Americas actually are a related population, BUT Eskimos (Inuits, Aleuts and others) are closer to Siberians, than other natives of the Americas. 5. Pacific Islander - lumps together Melanesians, Polynesians and Micronesians. 6. Hispanic and Latino - lumps together all people speaking Spanish and all from Latin America, independent of real race and ethnicity. Why do Spaniards fit in this category, Portuguese only sometimes do, and French and Italians do not? Basically America should get rid of that nonsense classification scheme.
European is not a race, there are Europeans of all races, German, Italian, French etc are not ethnicities, they are nationalities, cause those are nations. Your comment is factually wrong on so many levels
@S S I always thought I was more like the pink crayon but I was told growing up, and never heard anything different, people that look like me are white.
As an Indian (Punjabi), how tf am I supposed to identify with an 'Asian race', when I have very few physical similarities with a Korean, Mongolian, Uzbek or a Thai person lmao
Neo Kaidu I don’t know any Black People. So you’ll have to keep asking. Or travel to the Netherlands yourself maybe you can find a Black Person. Good luck!
hmmm. this is complex. then how would you distinguish the shared cultural experience of black latinos with african americans? I am a white latina, and I share cultural experiences with white americans as well as all latins... if we retire "race" we negate some crossover spaces... what would I be called? white, or latina?
@@maryhayesphoto Our video host describes that ethnicities can be nested (arranged in tree structure). 'white latino' (if it meets the criteria for being an ethnicity - IDK) is a subset of White American and Latinos (the larger groups). Inheriting some characteristics from both larger groups and perhaps removing or replacing others.
There's nothing 'precise' about ethnicity. For instance, common heritage - how long? How many generations? 2? 3? 11? Besides, if one were to go by her definition, India's various castes could easily be branded as just various 'ethnicities'. They have shared identity, shared customs, long heritage and even often live in their own communities (by choice or force). I don't think too many people would be into that. Indeed, a whole swathe of vocation-based heritage (family / community jobs lasting many generations) across the world could could be classified as 'ethnicity', but aren't.
Massaman has released his map of World Ethnicities (which he seems quite proud of). He's got white latinos in there. I wouldn't read his comment section as he attracts a lot of nutbars (not me of course).
This video is all about ethnicity in the United States and does not consider what people in other countries think of as ethnic. A more appropriate title for the video would be "What is Ethnicity in the United States?".
@@LimeyLassen If one were to go by her definition, India's various castes could easily be branded as just various 'ethnicities'. They have shared identity, shared customs, long heritage and even often live in their own communities (by choice or force). I don't think too many people would be into that. Indeed, a whole swathe of vocation-based heritage (family / community jobs lasting many generations) across the world could could be classified as 'ethnicity', but aren't.
Mendicant Bias nope she’s right. In MOST of the world ethnicity is cultural tradition. Of course there’s going to gray areas, because not everything is black and white. It’s a complicated topic.
@@blumedechaos7001 I'm not talking about what's considered ethnicity by people across the world, but rather just applying her definition to see how robust it is. She didn't say ethnicity is what people consider ethnicity, she gave a definition ('culture' could refer to almost anything, and is since it's used for identifiers as varied as language, religion, tribe, nation, etc.) And so if you were to simply take that definition at face value, a wide variety of things could be described as ethnicity (the samurai of Japan, for another example, despite that usually they're only considered a social class - but they did have their own culture and way of life, distinct from the rest of the Japanese population, and heritage). Saying it's complicated comes off merely as trying to make excuses for an inadequate definition. It would work if the gray areas were few and far between, but they aren't (vocation-based social groups, for instance, are everywhere). Ethnicity is something people think they've got mostly because of the 'I know it when it when I see it' effect i.e. they're so used to just ascribing it automatically. I'm deliberately not doing that, simply extrapolating from her explanation. Is it any wonder that almost all her examples, and what most people would ascribe to ethnicity, are more precisely 'national' identities (some current, some from past countries)? Yet she didn't say nationality is ethnicity - on purpose, as that would exclude loads of peoples, some differentiated by their religion (the Yazidis, for example), some by language (you'll find hundreds in PNG), etc. But by trying to be inclusive by not equating it with national origins (and this includes past nations, even if the ethnic group is currently subsumed such as in India), she's also potentially including a whole swathe of other things that aren't typically considered ethnicities (using the 'I know it when I see it' heuristic).
I would like to also add ethnicity is used by the government to classify people. Example my grandparents are Chicano (essentially a mix of both Spanish and Native American). My family has been in southwestern US since it belonged to Spain. However, my grandparents birth certificate say Caucasian. Mine is Hispanic. The classification/subgroup of Hispanic/Latina didn’t necessarily exist in US government until later even people of my ethnicity have always been treated differently or discriminated against. I like the distinction of ethnicity because it serves as a reminder that Latino/Hispanic whatever you want to call us come from all races in all colors. Just want people to be aware because I have lighter skinned and darker skinned family and disheartens me when people argue with my lighter skinned family about being Latino/Chicano/Hispanic.
This is a very interesting video, and now explains why in the US there is a massive divide amongst the Irish and blacks whereas in the UK you’ll find lots of black (mostly Caribbean) and Irish families mixed together and that is because in the UK both groups were ostracised and so formed their own community
Ethnicity isn't just something you "have", it's also something you *share*, not just within your ethnic group, but with others. I spent 6th through 9th grade (during the late 1960's) in a northern New Jersey neighborhood that was thoroughly mixed in every way possible. Nationalities, religions, wealth, careers, languages, clothes, the list goes on. When I started 9th grade (which was high school in my district), white was simply the largest minority. I felt special in that school, not because of my whiteness, but because I was clearly different from most of my classmates, which made me feel distinct and unique. In the middle of 9th grade, literally a month after the '60's ended, we moved to Michigan, to a town where 9th grade was part of junior high. Not only did I feel demoted, I also found myself in a uniform sea of white people, all of whom looked the same to me, the same *as* me. I lost my feeling of uniqueness, exchanged for being anonymous. The monochromatic and monolithic white culture was also confining, with everyone eating the same bland food, listening to the same music, wearing the same clothes. The pressure to conform to narrow definitions of identity was overwhelming. I didn't fit in. Back in my New Jersey neighborhood, "fitting in" wasn't even a thing. We just lived together, as neighbors, sharing our uniqueness and delighting in it. I knew songs in Yiddish, Greek, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Tagalog, German and more. (Well, mainly variations of the "Birthday Song", but still.) We also had an unwritten rule in that neighborhood: You only tell ethnic jokes about your own ethnic group. I collected WASP jokes, and if I heard a funny joke about another ethnicity, I'd share it privately with a friend in that group so they could tell it, for it wasn't mine to share publicly. Michigan was so impossibly different for me. Hearing whites tell black ethnic jokes felt strange, like the funny was killed and replaced with racism. Yet everyone swore they weren't racist. Confusing, to say the least. I was so glad when 9th grade ended. I longed to return to a high school. My new high school was still overwhelmingly white, but it had something else going for it: It was a center for exchange students. It helped, but each exchange student was pretty much an ethnic group of one, without their family around to build the group identity. Like me, most of them also were fish out of water. But I did get one thing out of it: By the time I graduated, I could exchange basic greetings in 7 languages! And I could swear like a sailor in 13 languages (including English). The swearing actually proved useful: When I was angry at someone and needed to vent, I'd simply curse in a different language. The person knew I was cursing, but had no clue what I was saying, and so couldn't take it personally. My favorite swearing language was Farsi, which sounds like poetry even when shouted in anger. The best language for insults was Brazilian Portuguese, especially if you wanted to take a macho fool down a peg. I graduated with a language for every situation! Of course, being able to swear so well meant there was only one path for me after graduation: I joined the US Navy, so I could swear *as* as sailor! This was the mid-'70's, when the Viet Nam War had just ended (yes, Viet Nam was two words back then), and the military was dealing with racism, sexism and drug problems. But once again I found myself in a melting pot, and felt so at home. Plus I also got to see the world and be unique in the best way possible: Just a few steps away from my ship and I was completely outside my own culture. Free. Truly unique. I have so many stories... Those experiences formed me, fundamentally determining my views of the world and the people in it. I wish I could implant my experiences in others, since words are so inadequate to describe their visceral reality. Ethnicity isn't simply something that makes us different: It's a huge part of what makes us *interesting*!
Odd that you would need ethnicity to make you feel special. Or maybe not, since some people require external markers for that feeling. What truly makes you unique is not superficial trappings but rather your character, your interests, your gifts as a human being.
¿Que? please expand on this. do you mean that Latino and Hispanic folks are not racist? I agree, if that's what you mean. They can have prejudice against others, but aren't racist. Cause white folks are the only ones that can be racist.. cause they hold they control stuff (in the U.S. anyway). This can change though.. Shout out to Alexandria Cortez-Ocasio❤
@@bigbluefrog latinos can be pretty racist. As anyone else can. I say this as a Chilean watching how other chileans mistreat immigrants in my country. Also some Latinos are white, so even by your standard we can be racist.
You are amazing! I know you probably get a lot of negative responses to the work you are doing, but please don't stop. I learn something from all of your videos and love you ground them in scholarship and not opinion. Good work!
My ethnicity is Bengali. But I'm an Indian. However 'Indian' is not an ethnicity. It's a nationality. You have to understand that being a 'korean' is both an ethnicity and a nationality within Korea. But within India,the term 'Indian' is just a nationality and not at all an ethnicity or a race or language. It's just when Indians go abroad and permanently starts to live there,'Indian' becomes an ethnicity from nationality for other people who're viewing the Indians. As a result the abroad people never get to know the actual ethnicities of those Indians whether they're Punjabi,Bengali,Marathi,Gujrati, Tamilian,Telegu or Maliyali and the list goes on.
Thank you for this video! It was very informative and explained well. I still find myself filling out forms that won’t let me check Hispanic for Ethnicity (when my mother is from Mexico and has Mexican parents) and Black/African American as my Race (My Dad’s ancestors are confirmed slaves). Suggesting that my ethnicity cannot be Hispanic and my Race African-American for some reason??? Edit: I just find it confusing that I have to choose when I have experienced both cultures and both are a big part of my life.
Getting the poor and Disenfranchised to fight each other rather then ban together is what has always kept the 1% on top in our history and continues to keep them on top today.
Here is one way to keep it simple , there is the human race that originated with African or Black people and different ethnicities , the result of geography and traditions . Regardless of your appearance now , you would not exist without Black people .
As a polish american, most Americans of polish decent will in fact claim to be polish, not just white. The reason is that poles left Europe because of Russians invading Poland and wanting a better chance in life. Because of the Russification of Poland, polish is still taught in schools and spoken in the home of the decedents of these immigrants. This is why there is a strong connection to our history and pride in our people. Bad example at 5:30 to use polish. But loved the educational video.
The podcast 'Scene on Radio' has a great series about the history of whiteness. They go into detail on the economic, political, and social aspects, and how whiteness has arbitrarily accommodated and rejected various ethnicities. The Virginia Colony, for example, made sure that John Rolf's descendants had an exemption carved out, making sure their native heritage didnt mess with their property rights.
Why don't you monetize your series or your channel? These are so educational and useful. You should be earning some good money to be able to do even better. Honestly.
Dave, they are usually identified physically as Jews. my uncle's wife very much looks like a jew and is consistently identified as such , she is a secular jew. But Hindu is not on a " want to be basis", its both its own ethnicity and religion, Hindi speakers aren't always Hindu and can even be muslims . Hindus are both distinct within the same nation but they also identify as asian .
I’ve never gotten the conclusion that because X group of people were oppressed then Y group of people can’t complain about their oppression. If anything that should drive allyship. I never want people to go through what my people went through.
Can you make a video on American Imperialism/Colonialism? Would like to learn more about the expansion of the US and involvement in the Filipino fight for independence. Also it would be nice to view a video on the evolution of textiles in American society ( i.e., the popularization of denim and polyester.) Thanks and keep up the great vids!
ok, seriously? "New hyphenated -identities." Look, this is all great so long as we can put a box around it. OoE producers are right to point out that this is race in North America. But to a Latin American this all sounds like gibberish. Nothing new about miscegenation.
Thats a lovely sentiment and one I wish we could afford to agree with, as a culture. Sadly we exist in a context where the artificial concept of race is still systemically implemented to hurt and oppress people, and pretending that it doesn’t exist, or that it doesnt influence us, is about as useful to the real people who are hurt because of race as sticking our fingers in our ears.
Duece, thank you for articulating your thoughts associated with the emoji you used. Originally you just posted 🤦🏾♂️, which wasn’t really helpful to the conversation. To all: I understand that not everyone will agree with my choice not to fixate on skin color, eye, color, and skull shape. I also understand that people are treated very differently because of those features, and that race has real-life consequences. My choice of perception is an attempt to celebrate unity rather than stoke the negativity that comes with division. I also respect those who prefer to stick with scientific classifications. Have a wonderful day.
You should have a sit down with Michael Brooks or Sam Seder on this topic of race, ethnicity and even culture. They and viewers like me would love it and you
OMG this is so much better than any other online video I have seen on this topic. I taught Sociology for 12 years and this is really well done. Bravo! I was almost afraid to watch and be disappointed. Thank you.
as a northeuropean from scandinavia, new geneological evidence has shown that the original scandinavians comes from 3 diffrent migrationgroups in the stone age, the western that was darkskinned with blue eyes, the eastern what was fairskinned with dark eyes, and the indo-european Yamnaya from the southeastern european steppe
I think we should expand (political) representation to somewhere in-between race and ethnicity. Nations/cultures/races tend to have importantly nuanced ways of governing themselves, as in certain education styles, different languages, healthcare styles, deathcare styles and ways to include children and elderly. At the moment, the assimilatory American/Canadian (and, well, nation-state) models are trying to flatten and assimilate. Why can we not properly breakdown governance of childcare, eldercare, healthcare, deathcare and education into different nations' jurisdictions? Like, here in BC (British Cascadia as I like to call it), we have such a plurality of nations, each with active cultures surrounding how best to deal with these issues, why not just allow the school districts to be culturally-tied instead of regionally so? Let the other nations come together, govern themselves as they wish (which they already do, but now make it legitimate) and work alongside the current political foundations (provinces, territories, states). It would ease up on the province's (state's/territory's) finances by a lot if suddenly only a small group of people needed access to the provincially-run hospital or state-run schools. We do not need to remove the current structures (unless they become unused), we just need to decentralise and de-discriminate our governing.
I also think we need to end the reserve/ation system and just recognise that the United states and territories and Canada's provinces and territories are simply just a drawn-on layer on top of a rich tapestry of (often overlapping) Indigenous countries. Vast majority of First Nations (as well as Inuit, Métis and other Indigenous peoples) are still here... why can we not simply recognise their countries exist? Name them, locate them, work with them... Is that not nation-to-nation? ...I also think we should syphon all environmental, land, water, etc. laws to the Indigenous countries and their [Indigenous] legal traditions. Because we are all dead if we do not do something about the global climate catastrophe
For most of history, ethnos meant race. The modern idea denying ethnos as race is nationalist. Redefine the race as Caucasian or Black or Asiatic then get any ethnos within your national boundaries to surrender their identity and adopt national allegiance. Within a century or more the ethnos disappears. It doesn't always work 100% of the time. France still has Brittany, Basque, and other ethnos. Spain still has Galicians, Basques, Catalans, Andalusians (tanned complexions), Estremadura (very pale, almost bloodless paper white), Canarians. Germany has Bavaria. UK has Welch, Scots, Scots-Irish. Essentially, do you find distinguishable-peoples within particular-locales whose distinguishable characteristics survived or continues to survive multigenerationally without being extinguished through admixture with surrounding populations.
In Trinidad and Tobago,and also Guyana, the major ethnicities are african and indian. Because of the mixing, in the last census they created a special "mixed" category of those two races only and another mixed category for other racial mixes; european, chinese, middle eastern, indigenous. The colloquial term for someone of afro-indo descent is "Dougla" and even with this category, there are different varieties as well depending on what features you retain from each eg. Complexion, hair type. A popular “dougla” Is actually Nicki Minaj (Real name Onika Maraj) It’s very interesting for a small island to be extremely diverse racially. Something we are very proud of :)
RG Fleuridor umm yeah, as in the nationality... if u thought the indigenous, they’re called by their tribal names. In this case, the Tainos and Kalinagos or Caribs and Arawaks
African isn't an ethnicity. It's a continent....lol. ethnicity is a small group of biologically related people. Like Yoruba, somali, amhara, soninke etc.
What DEFINITION of "race"? Can there be a definition, if NO ONE exicity agrees with the explanation? This entire video is a word salad of meaningless conclusions, or lack thereof! Seriously, What was the purpose of this video? It's just a loose history lesson, surrounding people discrimination/hierarchical socialization. Words Used but Not Definied or Distinguished from one another: RACE CLASS CULTURE ETHNICITY HERITAGE IDENTITY NATIONALITY I agree that these things are fluid... I agree that it's impossible to pinpoint the sole arbiter of what the definition is for these terms... But I do think it would way more useful and intellectually honest to state that..."with all of this GREY-AREA, let's not give credence to the HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE, opinions and conclusion people group-think their way into and out of, pertaining to self-perception and perspectives on others.
I find this channel amazing, I am from South Africa, as much as this may not fully relate to some of the historical issues in SA, I do find it helps to understand some issues especially when it comes to Europeans
I'm half German British and half Chinese and grew up in a very white town near London. I used to be insecure about it, but of course there's no point in that. Because in the words of Phil Wang the comedian, "People have tried to tell me I'm a minority. I'm like, I'm both majorities, bitch. I'm alien and predator." 😂❤
I actually find race harder to define and ethnicity easier. Race is an annoying thing that's a social construct, I mean just take a look at Latin America where you would expect them to have a separate race but they don't. However they can't relate to the rest of their assigned race. Ethnicity however is easier and you can decide whether you want associate with your tribe, country, region or state.
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I imagine that attitudes towards the Irish might have been born out of the dynamics of the relationship between Ireland and England, at least as far as the Americans of English descent are concerned.
Yes the Irish were called savages by the English during the potato famine when meny Irish immigrants moved to the slums in London and couldn`t find work.
Definitely were passed down. The other major factor was the wide majority of Irish that came to the US were Catholic, and America being a vehemently Protestant country presented major problems. It’s ironic because the Anglo Irish Protestants that came didn’t face much of the same discrimination at all.
This video flies in the face of historical fact because many ethnic groups go back thousands of years . Most of the world operates by ethnicity and America exports race because most Americans including this lady in the video are racists who identify themselves by race to gain political power and increase their advantage over other smaller groups by incorporating people from many groups into their number. The United Nations in the 1960's declared there are over 60,000 ethnic groups in the world and America in 2021 is still trying to persecute ethnic groups by rewriting everyone else's history for them while expanding and gerrymandering America's 5 racial categories.
I'm from Spain still don't now what to mark when a casting call says "race" and gives me the option to choose either Hispanic or Caucasian. The best way to put it would be "iberian" but like, I AM hispanic, but I am also your average white brunette living in a (corrupt, almost bankrupt D:) first world country...
If one were to go by her definition, India's various castes could easily be branded as just various 'ethnicities'. They have shared identity, shared customs, long heritage and even often live in their own communities (by choice or force). I don't think too many people would be into that. Indeed, a whole swathe of vocation-based heritage (family / community jobs lasting many generations) across the world could could be classified as 'ethnicity', but aren't. You're right to be still confused. It means you weren't already clear about it before coming here, looking merely for confirmation of your worldview (unlike a lot of the people here in the comments).
My race is white (something that isn’t even real race is made up crock and I refuse to acknowledge it) my ethnicity is Jewish my heritage is Russian and British
So well put Danielle, as always. While the Irish and other white groups of people did have periods of persecution, most recently Jews, groups of white people do not deal with persecution today, while people of other colors still deal with this everyday. I come from a Jewish background and I know that when I meet people they do not generally immediately see my Jewishness and judge me, with preconceived thoughts, based on it. The same can not be said about people of color. Also there are major differences in severity that different groups have had to deal with, with persecution, it is not right to say Irish have dealt with the persecution of the same level that black people have, for as long as black people have.
This is really interesting, and a terrific brief lesson. Thanks! My family all came to the USA in the late 1800s, and all of them were Slavs. They were Poles, Rusyns (Lemkos), and Croats. While all were among the greater Slavic community, they are divided by Western, Eastern and Southern Slavs. Further complicating it is the injection of religion as cultural markers. Poles are most often Roman Catholic, while my Lemko family was Ukrainian Greek Catholic. In the Balkan countries that once made up Yugoslavia, you have Roman Catholics, Muslims and Eastern Orthodox creating huge cultural divisions among people who have more genetically in common than they'd like to believe they do. These religious markers are starkly aligned to how Yugoslavia was divided into different countries after the 1990s Balkan wars. Religion seems to meet the requirements of heritage and culture to further define/refine ethnicity. In the case of the Slavs, Is it fair to say that religion has created sub-ethnicities?
the main issue with these videos, is that the are prescribing authrotity of fact on topics which are socio-cultural, socio political. this is all of course a "prescription" of how some social scientists consider concept such as race, identity and ethnicity. Others may consider race and identity that same and interchangable as socially constructs of culture. others would hardline refuse the existence of the concept of race based on its lack of biological existence, while insisting ethnicity is all that exists, while race is a political creation and manipulation. still others may focus on the concept of race, while insisting ethnicity is a temporary state of existance that can change over ones lifspan as one adapts to cultures.
Is ethncity genetic? I know race isn't and is a constructed division formed during the period of African slavery but how do they get ethnic breakdown on DNA tests. Is it just that they get DNA samples from people who are in certain regions currently and then attribute that DNA if it's in your sequence to that ethnicity or is the ethnicity itself truly a genetic thing. Because in DNA testing I've noticed that there are no ethnic groups on this side of the world, the western side of the world besides Native American or indigenous. You don't see things like Puerto Rican or African-American or Anglo-Saxon American or anything of that nature. That's why I'm wondering if it's a genetic thing which is ethnicity or if it's just that since do the history of the western hemisphere of how mainly everyone on this side of the world is a mixture and multitude of things because everyone is an immigrant that they're cannot be any sort of Base ethnicity if you want to say it like that besides native groups because they've been here for hundreds of years. I know genetic differences and haplogroups give variance into our phenotypes but is that necessarily genetically different in terms of biological factors?
uhh they go by ancestral markers that they use for general continents and given we've mapped even more specific groups we can kinda pin down your ethnic origins due to how certain ethnic gorups were isolated form one another like geneticists find alleles in french populations they don't find in spaniard, or german populations.
@@Mabasei so it is the way I said it above essentially. They take DNA sampling from people in certain regions and then compare people who send a DNA test to there DNA or genetic database. Because when I look at some of DNA test that are commercial, besides the fact that they have different confidence ratings which I find out many people don't notice and they think that everything is set in stone, even though ironically ancestry DNA just updated their databases and millions of people's DNA ethnic makeup changed, I've also noticed that there is a area where it says the average makeup of a Finnish person from Finland or ghanian person from Ghana and even they won't be 100% ghanian or finish or British or whatever ethnicity you want to insert. Sometimes people are for the average person but I think I remember seeing that the average French person was only 94% French. It's very interesting. I do work in genealogy and study genetics and I was more asking these questions to Foster discussion within the comments but I am still learning myself as any scientist as always. Thank you for your response
I'd say not really. We can sort of pin down ethnicity using genetic markers because ethnicity is defined by your ancestors and the culture surrounding that. However we don't recognize the ethnicity solely by genetic markers but also the culture surrounding ones heritage.
@@ExatedWarrior so you would say not really to what? You would say that ethnicity is not genetic and is more based on Regional couplings and what we attribute as a an ethnicity through history Heritage and culture? I'm just trying to get clarification.
Why do you keep saying ''eastern europe'' like its a single country? It really pisses me off. You don't say NORTHERN europe when talking about Ireland, you SPECIFICALLY say IRELAND, and you don't say SOUTHERN EUROPEAN when talking about Italy, yet you just lump all the dozens of countries in what you call east Europe into a single basket, why??? It really pisses me off. Poland is NOT ukraine, and ukraine is not Serbia.
@Curtis Martin It was a thing during the Cold War, it's not a thing anymore. The original terms were Western and Eastern blocs, then got abbreviated into Western and Eastern Europe. They are a political terms, not actual cultural or geographical, let alone ethnic terms. Italy and Norway were both in the Western bloc, but both have almost nothing in common. Bulgaria and Estonia were both part of the Eastern bloc, but both have almost nothing in common. One is a warm Southern med country, the other one is cold northern country. How many centuries need to pass before people stop living in the Cold War?
Well, I think in the US what really defines race is Colorism (phenotype) while for example in the Arab world Colorist discrimination does exist, but the biggest factor in terms of racism is ethnicity based on paternal heritage. You have blond Arabs in the Levante, at the same time you have dark skinned Arabs in Sudan. Who were your male ancestors is more important than your physical type. However lighter skinned has been historically associated with upper class who didn't work as much in the sun, and (this is darker) it could also mean that your ancestors could European slaves. So while skin color matters in the Arab world, it doesn't matter as much as ancestry.
Its race how are people from West Africa the same as a white person with Irish and French roots? We dont even have the same hair texture. Black Americans also have our own history. There are also Chinese descent Americans. It goes well beyond color.
Thanks to family history of both sides of my Mother and Father, I am made up of 5 different areas of Europe. So even though I was born here in the U.S, at times I conceder myself to be a European-American. Not just a American, German-American, Irish-American, and so on.
I watched a movie called Gangs of New York, NOT ALL of it was TRUE but it is a Historical movie in my opinion and I learned a lot from it. Love how you talk a lot about that movie without even talking or mentioning that movie. A must watch.
Playing certain types of video games is a personal preference for a 'pass-time' or a HOBBY. It has nothing to do with the topic. It's really in the video to act as a method of distraction so people will not question what they are hearing - a very common *gas-lightning tactic*
Many people mix up English with British. The English are a ethnic group. To be British you only need a British passport, and to live in Britain. To be English you need to have majority English heritage. Just as you can’t become Japanese just because you move to Japan, learn the langue and follow the customs. Your ethnic group is still what ever it was before you moved there. You can feel English. Speak English. Behave like an Englishman. Support England in football. Hold a British passport and live in England. And still not be English by your ethnic group. Not that it matters. But it’s just annoying when people mix this stuff up and tell you that you don’t exist.
I am Born of parents from Mexico born and raised in Mexico but they moved to the USA. So if I identify as American because I was was born and raised in the USA all my life I feel more And act naturally more American in Many ways than I do Mexican. My question is does that make me American?. I ask because whenever I think of Mexicans like myself I think you are part Mexican to some extent via family ancestry or one of your parents or both parents are Mexican or you come from a family ancestry that some of your family lineage married and had Mexican ancestors.
The way I see it is when I read definition and talk about race and ethinicity I tell that race is biological and it cant be changed. While ethnicity is can be changed. Its what u identify with. Like if a person say they are biracial that mean they are mixed with 2 races like half-White and half-Black. half-Asian and half-White or half-Asian and half-Black. Now if someone says they are half-Irish and half-Italian thats not biracial. Thats still White just 2 different nationalities and ethnicities. Same goes for a person says they are half-Jamaican & half-Nigerian. Theyre still black but 2 different nationalities and ethnicities. Now if someone says they are half-Latin and half-White or half-Black it would be no need to say they are biracial because Hispanic and Latinos are not races. They are ethnicities. Cause they are alot of Hispanics and Latinos who are White or Black but wont consider themselves either of them races. Theyll say they have their own identity. Almost they are alot of Arab and Middle Easterners have both White and Black skin but dont consider themselves either race. Theyre their own identity. Just because they have White skin doesnt mean they are White. Just because someone Black skin doesnt mean they're black. I read people who are White are Caucasian but not all Caucasian people are White. All Black people are Negroid but not all Negroids are Black.
2:29 she's right; for a long time, Canadian of French descent were told to "speak white" by those of Anglo-saxons descent if they didn't speak English. My two best examples are the following: On October 12, 1889, during debates in the Canadian House of Commons, Canadian Liberal Party Henri Bourassa was booed by English-speaking members who shouted "Speak White!" when Bourassa tried to explain himself in French; and on the night of December 9, 1999, vandals installed a banner on the bridge separating Quebec and Ontario which read: “From this point speak white!"
Actually, I've never really had discrimination problems (expected for my skin tone )since...im super like SUPER mixed in my orgins and no one can really see on my face from which "groups" I belong too The thing is... I juste don't relate to any ethnicity or else excepted my nationality and my parent's nationnality's cultures I'm juste....a human😅 a French human
love your channel don't know you but am enchanted by your intellect and your sincerity to inform/educate your fellow travelers. The journey may seem long but the trip is imho worthwhile if you travel like you do
Basically American classification: 1. White - actually not a race, just a subset of Caucasoid race, which is "light enough". Caucasians which are "dark enough" do not fit into this category. Basically "white" is a term of colorism. 2. Black - artificially lumping together different dark-skinned populations like "Negroid", "Pygmies" and "Capoid" (Khoi-San) people of Sub-Saharan Africa, some dark skinned Caucasians of North East Africa and "Australoid" people (Australian aboriginals, Papuans and Melanesians). Even though those groups have different anthropology, genetics and history... Not to say mixed-race people with any degree of "black" ancestry also fit here, if they look "black enough". 3. Asian - geographical term, lumps together all groups from 4/5 of Eurasia, which is beyond arbitrarily defined "Europe". 4. Native American - pretty good, all Natives of the Americas actually are a related population, BUT Eskimos (Inuits, Aleuts and others) are closer to Siberians, than other natives of the Americas. 5. Pacific Islander - lumps together Melanesians, Polynesians and Micronesians. 6. Hispanic and Latino - lumps together all people speaking Spanish and all from Latin America, independent of real race and ethnicity. Why do Spaniards fit in this category, Portuguese only sometimes do, and French and Italians do not? Basically America should get rid of that nonsense classification scheme.
This is not true at all. Mostly becuase in the beginning of the video when you mentioned Punjabi as an ethnicity you are contradicting yourself when you say shared heritage. Ethncities in India the rest of South Asia and parts of Southeast Asia are based on ethno-lingustic categories. For example Bengali people (while originally meaning natives of the Bengal region that constituted a large Tibetan-Burmese population of native tribes and kingdoms) is now an ethnicity based on if you assimilated into the Bengali lingua-franca. Through many migrations North Indians (primarily from Delhi) during the Mughal empire started speaking this lingua franca and created a society of Bengali speakers calling themselves Bengali people. As comercial centers grew many tribal people (not all) being primarily Tibetan-Burmese assimilated into the Bengali society but still speaking their native tongue (now they are called dialects such as Syhleti, Chittagongian, Rajbongshi, Hajong, Chakma etc.) then in the 1900s during British separation many south Indian muslims (primarily from Tamil and Telegu) came to modern day Bangladesh and assimilated into the Bengali society and now consider themselves Bengali. None of these groups have shared ancestry or heritage but yet they all consider themselves the same ethnicity. This is primarily also why Bangladesh is 99% Bengali even tho the Bengali ethnicity it's self is extremely diverse (I didn't even mention the Arabian assimilation).
I love the series - you offer very informative, well-documented primers on complex topics. I may be asking for the moon, but on this topic at least it might be helpful to reach outside of the American context. For most Americans, race has subsumed ethnicity (with the telling exception of Latinos, the one “ethnic” group that has contemporary salience), but in the much of the world ethnic differences are still paramount. I was born in Poland, and if they’d let me I’d put Polish down as my race. I don’t even know what white means as an identity - I recognize that I am treated better as a result of that (which is grotesquely unjust), but I kind of feel like I’m just passing all the time.
The crazy thing about that is if you put Polish down as a race today in America you would have a harder time getting the job. Which like you said is pretty grotesque.
People whose ancestors have lived together in the same small town in Alabama for four hundred years are the same ethnicity. People who live in Belgium who speak French are a different ethnicity from people who live in Belgium and speak Dutch.
Woah wait maybe i've been wrong for so long cuz i always said race was ethnicity instead of the phenotypic characteristics. So do i just say that person is being rude towards that person's ethnicity? (instead of saying racist)
Your patience is incredible. As an Irish person (like actually Irish, not Irish-American - very different ethnicity and culture!), it's enraging to hear when people try to conflate the Irish experience with the black experience in America. I had never heard of the 1863 riots and I'm disgusted but not surprised that immigrants tried to raise themselves up by tearing black Americans down.
I might have to watch this video a few times to really catch all the nuance, and I love that. You don't dumb anything down and pack each video so full of useful information. And again, you have more patience and poise than I ever even hope to have!
Loved reading your comment
I'm first generation (my mom's from Belfast) and it's shocking what some Irish Americans think about minorities. A few years ago Bernadette Devlin was invited to speak at some event in Boston for Saint Patrick's Day and they all assumed she was gonna give some feel good speech about Irish pride and she spent the entire time telling them that they're all hypocritical for being racist.
Thank you. Its irritating listening to nonsense over here like "Irish slaves", or the whole anti-irish issue in 19th century NYC, especially when irish immigrants and 2nd generation irish americans owned slaves or terrorized blacks because they were pissed off at President Lincoln. They felt they were better than us, and that attitude still lingers in some decendants in the US to this day.
What the hell are these posts on about?
They make no sense in relation to the video, other than talk of the Irish... 😕
@@punkrockbenny 😂😂😂😂YES!
I am very white (blue eyed ginger) but I am also Latina. I am often told that I can’t be both, as if my skin color makes it so I have to give up my culture. But I was born in Brazil and my first language was Portuguese.
I understand I have a lot of privilege and advantages, but some Americans act like I’m faking being Latina to be exotic or some shit.
@Ramsay Bolton See, now imagine if she didn't have that. How much worse it could be.
Dont let my fellow American put that false choice on you! They are literally stuck in black-white thinking, and will take generations to get out of that dead end.
@Ramsay Bolton Rich coming from a guy posing as Ramsay Bolton, a noble's bastard! He knew all about simultaneously being privileged and discriminated against.
@Ramsay Bolton Big words coming from a pile of dog poo XD! Everybody cheered for that scene.
Sounds like you’re race is Caucasian, but you are ethnically Brazilian. Even if you are first generation Brazilian, you’re Brazilian American. To have such rare recessive traits, odds are pretty good that your ancestors were predominantly European, in that what she mentioned, “Iberian” (Portuguese) mixing with northern European “Anglo Saxon). You are culturally Hispanic/Latin, but when you are lighter skinned than most Caucasians, it raises questions. Personally I question if Portuguese or Spaniards are Latin or Hispanic, since those who were born in those countries did not really mix with the natives of South America, and though influenced, have different cultures. But born and raised in Brazil, regardless of race makes you culturally, Brazilian. I would just tell people that.
I love that you don't preach, you just educate.
Did we watch the same video? This seemed very much the typical preachy propaganda that is typical by outlets like PBS.
Yes. And LOL, just like the person who made the first comment people are so stuck in their ignorance and bias that they don't even listen to facts or research or history to learn something new and why things are hey way they are today. That's the whole reason it's called origins of everything
Err...this channel comes across as very preachy, albeit that's only partly due to the videos themselves while the other part is typically due to the fairly skewed (ideologically) community it's gathered around it that you see in the comments. And funnily enough, I can say this as someone who's not white and in fact comes from a place with a wealth of people's well-accepted as having ethnicities, including in this very video (India).
I'm not saying there's no bias. It's definitely coming from one side more than another, but rather than telling people what/how to think, she presents facts.
@@alyssam8550 Insofar as the history is concerned, sure I can agree with that.
her hair is amazing, looking healthy and full
It's profoundly beautiful and REAL! I'm proud of her!
Black girl magic ✊🏾
I was thinking the same thing💖
I love it how that's the only thing you got from watching an educational video.... Someone's fucking hairstyle. Wow.
@@tarynmosakowski3512 did she lie tho?
i'm second/third generation american from italy and poland. it's very hard to explain the ideas of ethnicity vs race to my older family members. They still feel they aren't as privileged as other whites (or even argue that they aren't white because they aren't "WASPs,") but in modern America, that is not the truth. they look back on the black people who they once shared poor neighborhoods with who were unable to escape due to systematic racism and judge them for not being able to do what they did, not realizing that their whiteness is what enabled them to get ahead. "If I could do it, so can they." They use this mindset as an excuse to have racist attitudes, and it's incredibly frustrating because they refuse to listen.
This is one of the most insightful and astute comments I have seen on RUclips about the consequences of race and social mobility.
mads. Best comment ever
What an amazing comment.
mads those ppl are just ignorants , don’t worry
Wow. This is so sad and scary. How long will this mindset about blacks last? Geesh thanks for the comment.
I knew the race laws were weird because my granny had a cousin who married a black man before mixed race marriages were legal in the United States because she was an Irish immigrant so she wasn't considered fully white in the eyes of the law.
that is weird.. how did the government react since she wasnt black and wasnt considered .. white? ?? weird
@@c.powell8472 From what I know they had a pretty good lawyer, but most of their legal issues came from the fact that it was still legal to refuse housing based on race so they were regularly turned away from or chased out of areas frequently.
@@punkrockbenny Oh damn, you are right about that. I'm really curious now. Did your Grandma's last name some how get passed down to you? How did you get your current last name?
@@c.powell8472 I took my mom's last name, but I'm Irish on both sides. My mom came to the States when she was a toddler and my dad's Irish American.
FYI Interracial marriage was governed by state law and many states never even had legislation prohibiting it. Some western states had laws that were turned over in late 19th early 20th century, but it was mainly a few southern states that were forced to allow interracial marriage by the Supreme Court. This is another big myth that people need to understand.
Ethnicity is a very interesting topic in US/ Latin American relations:
Most people of Latin America don't really consider themselves a separate ethnicity all on their own until they move to the US/Canada. Prior to that, they're white, black, native, mixed, etc.
Though there are definitely separate ethnic groups within Latin America such as the many native groups, jews, romani etc.
So if, say, a mixed jew from Uruguay moved to the US, they'd have two separate ethnicities and one, or more, race.
Mark all that apply. Mixed and biracial isnt a race. One day race wont even be a thing but we arent theyre yet. Just live your best life
Latino is a culture that anyone of any race can be a part of and their is a history of Life Education and anti Blackness throughout Latin America. Latin America has kind of behind on the implications place. For example Mexico is a great example. Or many Caribbean islands. It's very complicated and nuanced
@@nikibronson133 saying biracial isn"t a race is kind of like saying Green isn"t a color. I hope what I said makes sense.
Well, Hispanic/Latino isn't seen as a "Race" by the U.S. Census Bureau but as an ethnicity, people like the baseball player Miñoso or the famous actress Zoë Saldaña are both racially "African-Americans" but ethnically "Hispanic/Latino".
@@-haclong2366 african American is not a race. Its an ethnicity. Thats the issue. People use black and AA interchangeably but they are not. Black is the race. African American is the ethnicity. Its even mentioned in the video. Zoe would be Afro-whatever he country is. That would be her ethnicity. For example. She is black. Her ethnicity is Puerto Rican. Her nationality is Puerto Rican (once again this is an example, I dont know is she is PR). She is Afro Latino. Afro Latino = black. All African Americans are black but not all black people (especially on this side of the world) are African American. They're are different black ethncities in the African diaspora. Hispanic means soanish speaking and oesnt include Brazil. Latino is a culture thats does include brazil that anyone of any race can be a part of. These are basic anthropological definitions. Culture and ethnicity do have very similar definitions so i can understand where the confusion comes from. But thats why the census asks are you Latino or hispanic first and then asks your race. Like non black Hispanic or balck Hispanic for example. Most people who come to American and are black identify as their home nation like Nigerian American or Afro Domincan American. African Americans are a describes people descendant of slaves in the US with a unique culture and heritage.
This Irish mob riot and violent acts perpetrated against black people is explained by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire, who wrote: "The oppressed, instead of striving for liberation, tend themselves to become oppressor" and "when the education is not intended to free people, the dream of the oppressed is become the oppressor" (this is my translation for the original phrase, so it can be known in english as other phrase, with the same meaning). The book "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" is a very good book.
Paulito didn't get it. The whole point was/is that new immigrants try to bond with caucasians in this country over their hatred for black people. It was true last century as it is true todaythen i've sat in spaces where black people were not part of the conversation , suddenly a foreigner would insult all black people out of the blue just to get kudos from caucasians.
Thank you for confirming my point. Your example fits exactly the quotes that I've supplied.
Paulo Freire destroyed Brazilian education.
@@AK-ne4og I thought that people would watch educational videos to learn, to not stay ignorant. I think that it hasn't started to have an effect on you yet. Keep watching . One day you will not be dumb. But today is not this day.
@@AK-ne4og Paulo freire was never implemented in the Brazilian educational system . If he had our educational system it would be better than it is now.
“Curious over thinker” is one of the most brilliant euphemisms I’ve ever come across. Bravo!!
Lol
Tfw a channel promoting education and presented by an academic uses 'overthinking' as a dog-whistle to call out people...
Mendicant Bias dog-whistling is distinct from a euphemism.
@@nickc3657 And splitting hairs is different from counterarguing. It works for you only because you don't use that term - to you they're probably not 'thinkers' at all, but rather some other choice words. And yet the vid used that term, because it anticipated that that's what they'd actually be doing - being critical. You'd rather not think of their criticisms as 'thinking', despite that being what's involved, and hence choose to take 'curious overthinker' as a 'euphemism', rather than just a neutral description of what they're doing (well, somewhat, since the 'over' implies it's excessive, a strange attitude for an academic to promote). You wouldn't recognize it as such though, since ironically critically thinking about the video isn't something you're interested in, just uncritically celebrating it.
Mendicant Bias She did address their criticisms concretely though.
I think this focuses too much on the view from the Americas. For the rest of the world, 'ethnicity' is not _so_ dependant on relatively recent migration or race, but more on centuries or even millennia old historical narratives of 'oneness'. Race is/was not necessarily significant, because historically, most ethnic groups were neighboured by other groups that looked pretty similar i.e. you can't reliably tell a Finn from a Swede based on appearance alone, nor Oromo people from Amharas. 'Ethnic groups' are/were generally marked by a distinct language (which not every member of the ethnicity necessarily speaks, but the mere fact it exists re-enforces a sense of historicity to the group e.g. the existence of Welsh as a language lends to a sense that Welsh people are distinct from English people).
I don't think the idea of 'ethnicity' is as recent a concept as this video seems to suggest. The Romans and Greeks _adored_ talking about distinct groups of people who weren't necessarily politically united, but shared common linguistic and cultural traits (and generally a homeland) e.g. Germanic tribes, Thracians, Illyrians, Britons, Gauls...etc. And, as far as I can tell, other civilisations categorised people in along these lines as well. Sure, the _term_ 'ethnicity' is recent, but the idea of it is as old as humanity itself.
Of course, this is definitely not to say ethnic groups are unchanging - pick any given one and you tend to see a long history of invasions, mass migrations and politics that can split, merge or otherwise fundamentally alter the socio-cultural boundaries of the 'group', but they are relatively persistent historically, particularly outside the Americas.
It's because she's American. :] Your comment is very informative, tho! I didn't know that about the Romans..
This focus on the US is because the US formally uses this, and expects others to conform to their definition of race/ethnicity in paperwork. Similar concepts exist elsewhere, (as you nicely point out) but this was a specific question :)
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@@c.powell8472 the Romans thought that because the Celts lived in the cold it made them violent and vain, while people living south of the (in Africa) were lazy because of the heat. Only the Romans were perfect cos they lived in the perfect climate.
Those stereotypes live on today - fighting Irish and lazy Africans!
I disagree with this (respectfully - I hope) I don't know where you are from but I'm going to assume Europe, correct me if I am wrong.
I think because we are all aware of America's racism problem, we tend not to think about racism in our own countries, but I can tell you when polish people started coming to ireland, we were less than welcoming.
And while it is true that you can't tell someone's country of origin as easily in Europe doesn't mean that we haven't tried. Have you ever seen old racist cartoons the British drew of the Irish for example. Then there is the way we historical treated the Jews (big nose joke was made even in Life Of Brian) to take a modern example those Polish I mentioned were stereotyped to have very very pale skin. Another example is in northern Ireland - I have a friend there that says she can tell a unionist from a republican in the space of 5 mins... Which is obviously nonsense.
I can't speak for racsim I, like most white Europeans, do not really understand race in my own country because America really dominants the conversation. But for those reading this I do recommend "why I'm no longer speaking to white people about race"
I can however say with some confidence that we have a long history of judging based on a ethinisity.
Anyways this comment is so long and on my phone that I don't even know if it's a reply to yours!!! I just had some throughts about Europe and its history of categorising people. Reply if you also have thoughts or just have a nice day 😊😊😊
Using this in my Sociology class for context when I teach the chapter on Race. 📚📓👍☺
Please change the title to something like "what is ethnicity in the US?".
The title is quite misleading as the video ended up being very American centric. The definition of ethnicity for Americans is a lot more complex than it is for the rest of the world, since Americans are ethnically mixed. One black American person might be a mix of Igbo, Yoruba, Wolof, Akan, Irish and English. These are all distinct ethnic groups.
For an African their ethnicity is the group of people their share close heritage (lineage), region, distinct language and distinct traditions. So, their ethnicity would be, for example, Hausa or Somali or Beja etc. Even if they migrate to another country their future children will have their ethnicity as long as they marry their own ethnicity, otherwise that child's ethnicity will be mixed. That's why many people dislike interracial/inter-ethnic marriages/relationships.
Ethnicity is not interchangeable with race. All the African ethnic groups mentioned above would be classified as "black" when it comes to their race.
That teddy bear is so beautiful, it's distracting
I was also mesmerized by the hourglass.
Carla MSM now I can’t keep my eye off the bear since you mentioned it.
@@alf3488 He should be named, he's so cute.
Carla MSM I was thinking of something cute that had to do with time travel or history. Since that’s what the channel is about. But I was thinking of “Paradox Phil” or “Timmy the time traveler” or something.
Of course.. It's an German bear haha
It's so sad how Americans are tend to confuse between Nationalities, Ethnicities, and Race. In place I'm from, Race are Europeans, African, Asian, Native American, etc. Nationalities are Mexican, American, Canadian, etc. Ethnicities are German, French, Italian, etc.
It's easy to confuse Ethnicities and Nationalities, but the amount of "My race is Mexican" I heard from people on Internet is very concerning as Mexican is Nationality in my eyes.
Basically American classification:
1. White - actually not a race, just a subset of Caucasoid race, which is "light enough". Caucasians which are "dark enough" do not fit into this category. Basically "white" is a term of colorism.
2. Black - artificially lumping together different dark-skinned populations like "Negroid", "Pygmies" and "Capoid" (Khoi-San) people of Sub-Saharan Africa, some dark skinned Caucasians of North East Africa and "Australoid" people (Australian aboriginals, Papuans and Melanesians). Even though those groups have different anthropology, genetics and history... Not to say mixed-race people with any degree of "black" ancestry also fit here, if they look "black enough".
3. Asian - geographical term, lumps together all groups from 4/5 of Eurasia, which is beyond arbitrarily defined "Europe".
4. Native American - pretty good, all Natives of the Americas actually are a related population, BUT Eskimos (Inuits, Aleuts and others) are closer to Siberians, than other natives of the Americas.
5. Pacific Islander - lumps together Melanesians, Polynesians and Micronesians.
6. Hispanic and Latino - lumps together all people speaking Spanish and all from Latin America, independent of real race and ethnicity. Why do Spaniards fit in this category, Portuguese only sometimes do, and French and Italians do not?
Basically America should get rid of that nonsense classification scheme.
European is not a race, there are Europeans of all races, German, Italian, French etc are not ethnicities, they are nationalities, cause those are nations. Your comment is factually wrong on so many levels
@S S at least in the US that isn't the definition of white anymore, it is solely based on skin color
@S S I always thought I was more like the pink crayon but I was told growing up, and never heard anything different, people that look like me are white.
As an Indian (Punjabi), how tf am I supposed to identify with an 'Asian race', when I have very few physical similarities with a Korean, Mongolian, Uzbek or a Thai person lmao
Living in The Netherlands for 10yrs. I’m referred to as American. Not Black American. I find that refreshing.
What do u think of the holiday Black pete
Neo Kaidu I think it’s a racist tradition that needs to be eliminated. Just like calling someone with dark skin Black. And you?
@@Orfeus3000 iam african i just wanted opinion from a black person that lives over there
Neo Kaidu I don’t know any Black People. So you’ll have to keep asking. Or travel to the Netherlands yourself maybe you can find a Black Person. Good luck!
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if you don't like the traditions then leave no one should change for foreigners
Complex. I think it could be made somewhat easier if we just retire the term 'race'. Ethnicity is a much more versatile and precise term.
hmmm. this is complex. then how would you distinguish the shared cultural experience of black latinos with african americans? I am a white latina, and I share cultural experiences with white americans as well as all latins... if we retire "race" we negate some crossover spaces... what would I be called? white, or latina?
@@maryhayesphoto Our video host describes that ethnicities can be nested (arranged in tree structure). 'white latino' (if it meets the criteria for being an ethnicity - IDK) is a subset of White American and Latinos (the larger groups). Inheriting some characteristics from both larger groups and perhaps removing or replacing others.
There's nothing 'precise' about ethnicity. For instance, common heritage - how long? How many generations? 2? 3? 11? Besides, if one were to go by her definition, India's various castes could easily be branded as just various 'ethnicities'. They have shared identity, shared customs, long heritage and even often live in their own communities (by choice or force). I don't think too many people would be into that. Indeed, a whole swathe of vocation-based heritage (family / community jobs lasting many generations) across the world could could be classified as 'ethnicity', but aren't.
@@maryhayesphoto you would be of the Italic race since you are probably fully Spanish.
Massaman has released his map of World Ethnicities (which he seems quite proud of). He's got white latinos in there. I wouldn't read his comment section as he attracts a lot of nutbars (not me of course).
This video is all about ethnicity in the United States and does not consider what people in other countries think of as ethnic. A more appropriate title for the video would be "What is Ethnicity in the United States?".
Yeah? What's different?
@@LimeyLassen If one were to go by her definition, India's various castes could easily be branded as just various 'ethnicities'. They have shared identity, shared customs, long heritage and even often live in their own communities (by choice or force). I don't think too many people would be into that. Indeed, a whole swathe of vocation-based heritage (family / community jobs lasting many generations) across the world could could be classified as 'ethnicity', but aren't.
Mendicant Bias nope she’s right. In MOST of the world ethnicity is cultural tradition. Of course there’s going to gray areas, because not everything is black and white. It’s a complicated topic.
I do not agree. Almost the same could be told about Germany, Russia, Ukraine (the countries I familiar enough with).
@@blumedechaos7001 I'm not talking about what's considered ethnicity by people across the world, but rather just applying her definition to see how robust it is. She didn't say ethnicity is what people consider ethnicity, she gave a definition ('culture' could refer to almost anything, and is since it's used for identifiers as varied as language, religion, tribe, nation, etc.) And so if you were to simply take that definition at face value, a wide variety of things could be described as ethnicity (the samurai of Japan, for another example, despite that usually they're only considered a social class - but they did have their own culture and way of life, distinct from the rest of the Japanese population, and heritage). Saying it's complicated comes off merely as trying to make excuses for an inadequate definition. It would work if the gray areas were few and far between, but they aren't (vocation-based social groups, for instance, are everywhere). Ethnicity is something people think they've got mostly because of the 'I know it when it when I see it' effect i.e. they're so used to just ascribing it automatically. I'm deliberately not doing that, simply extrapolating from her explanation. Is it any wonder that almost all her examples, and what most people would ascribe to ethnicity, are more precisely 'national' identities (some current, some from past countries)? Yet she didn't say nationality is ethnicity - on purpose, as that would exclude loads of peoples, some differentiated by their religion (the Yazidis, for example), some by language (you'll find hundreds in PNG), etc. But by trying to be inclusive by not equating it with national origins (and this includes past nations, even if the ethnic group is currently subsumed such as in India), she's also potentially including a whole swathe of other things that aren't typically considered ethnicities (using the 'I know it when I see it' heuristic).
The host is so pretty!
Niki Bronson right,skincare routine now
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I would like to also add ethnicity is used by the government to classify people. Example my grandparents are Chicano (essentially a mix of both Spanish and Native American). My family has been in southwestern US since it belonged to Spain. However, my grandparents birth certificate say Caucasian. Mine is Hispanic. The classification/subgroup of Hispanic/Latina didn’t necessarily exist in US government until later even people of my ethnicity have always been treated differently or discriminated against. I like the distinction of ethnicity because it serves as a reminder that Latino/Hispanic whatever you want to call us come from all races in all colors. Just want people to be aware because I have lighter skinned and darker skinned family and disheartens me when people argue with my lighter skinned family about being Latino/Chicano/Hispanic.
Who else is here during the racial tensions in America following George Floyd's death?
Yep
pretty much everyone?
I always feel like learning ẁith origin everything.
Cool, but I'm wondering about the origin of "ẁ" instead of "w". Frankly, I didn't know that that grapheme existed before today.
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The background music makes me think of wii games lol
This is a very interesting video, and now explains why in the US there is a massive divide amongst the Irish and blacks whereas in the UK you’ll find lots of black (mostly Caribbean) and Irish families mixed together and that is because in the UK both groups were ostracised and so formed their own community
Her hand gestures are mesmerizing.
Ethnicity isn't just something you "have", it's also something you *share*, not just within your ethnic group, but with others.
I spent 6th through 9th grade (during the late 1960's) in a northern New Jersey neighborhood that was thoroughly mixed in every way possible. Nationalities, religions, wealth, careers, languages, clothes, the list goes on. When I started 9th grade (which was high school in my district), white was simply the largest minority. I felt special in that school, not because of my whiteness, but because I was clearly different from most of my classmates, which made me feel distinct and unique.
In the middle of 9th grade, literally a month after the '60's ended, we moved to Michigan, to a town where 9th grade was part of junior high. Not only did I feel demoted, I also found myself in a uniform sea of white people, all of whom looked the same to me, the same *as* me. I lost my feeling of uniqueness, exchanged for being anonymous. The monochromatic and monolithic white culture was also confining, with everyone eating the same bland food, listening to the same music, wearing the same clothes. The pressure to conform to narrow definitions of identity was overwhelming.
I didn't fit in. Back in my New Jersey neighborhood, "fitting in" wasn't even a thing. We just lived together, as neighbors, sharing our uniqueness and delighting in it. I knew songs in Yiddish, Greek, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Tagalog, German and more. (Well, mainly variations of the "Birthday Song", but still.)
We also had an unwritten rule in that neighborhood: You only tell ethnic jokes about your own ethnic group. I collected WASP jokes, and if I heard a funny joke about another ethnicity, I'd share it privately with a friend in that group so they could tell it, for it wasn't mine to share publicly.
Michigan was so impossibly different for me. Hearing whites tell black ethnic jokes felt strange, like the funny was killed and replaced with racism. Yet everyone swore they weren't racist. Confusing, to say the least.
I was so glad when 9th grade ended. I longed to return to a high school. My new high school was still overwhelmingly white, but it had something else going for it: It was a center for exchange students. It helped, but each exchange student was pretty much an ethnic group of one, without their family around to build the group identity. Like me, most of them also were fish out of water. But I did get one thing out of it: By the time I graduated, I could exchange basic greetings in 7 languages! And I could swear like a sailor in 13 languages (including English).
The swearing actually proved useful: When I was angry at someone and needed to vent, I'd simply curse in a different language. The person knew I was cursing, but had no clue what I was saying, and so couldn't take it personally. My favorite swearing language was Farsi, which sounds like poetry even when shouted in anger. The best language for insults was Brazilian Portuguese, especially if you wanted to take a macho fool down a peg. I graduated with a language for every situation!
Of course, being able to swear so well meant there was only one path for me after graduation: I joined the US Navy, so I could swear *as* as sailor! This was the mid-'70's, when the Viet Nam War had just ended (yes, Viet Nam was two words back then), and the military was dealing with racism, sexism and drug problems. But once again I found myself in a melting pot, and felt so at home. Plus I also got to see the world and be unique in the best way possible: Just a few steps away from my ship and I was completely outside my own culture. Free. Truly unique. I have so many stories...
Those experiences formed me, fundamentally determining my views of the world and the people in it.
I wish I could implant my experiences in others, since words are so inadequate to describe their visceral reality. Ethnicity isn't simply something that makes us different: It's a huge part of what makes us *interesting*!
Odd that you would need ethnicity to make you feel special. Or maybe not, since some people require external markers for that feeling. What truly makes you unique is not superficial trappings but rather your character, your interests, your gifts as a human being.
Remember Latino and Hispanic are not races. Thank you
¿Que? please expand on this. do you mean that Latino and Hispanic folks are not racist? I agree, if that's what you mean. They can have prejudice against others, but aren't racist. Cause white folks are the only ones that can be racist.. cause they hold they control stuff (in the U.S. anyway). This can change though.. Shout out to Alexandria Cortez-Ocasio❤
@@bigbluefrog latinos can be pretty racist. As anyone else can. I say this as a Chilean watching how other chileans mistreat immigrants in my country. Also some Latinos are white, so even by your standard we can be racist.
Everyone can be racist SMH
@@turtle2720 I had a typo. Reread.
@@bigbluefrog I had a typo. Reread.
You are amazing! I know you probably get a lot of negative responses to the work you are doing, but please don't stop. I learn something from all of your videos and love you ground them in scholarship and not opinion. Good work!
My ethnicity is Bengali. But I'm an Indian. However 'Indian' is not an ethnicity. It's a nationality.
You have to understand that being a 'korean' is both an ethnicity and a nationality within Korea. But within India,the term 'Indian' is just a nationality and not at all an ethnicity or a race or language.
It's just when Indians go abroad and permanently starts to live there,'Indian' becomes an ethnicity from nationality for other people who're viewing the Indians.
As a result the abroad people never get to know the actual ethnicities of those Indians whether they're Punjabi,Bengali,Marathi,Gujrati,
Tamilian,Telegu or Maliyali and the list goes on.
Thank you for this video! It was very informative and explained well. I still find myself filling out forms that won’t let me check Hispanic for Ethnicity (when my mother is from Mexico and has Mexican parents) and Black/African American as my Race (My Dad’s ancestors are confirmed slaves). Suggesting that my ethnicity cannot be Hispanic and my Race African-American for some reason??? Edit: I just find it confusing that I have to choose when I have experienced both cultures and both are a big part of my life.
cool video. thx to make that issue more clear
Getting the poor and Disenfranchised to fight each other rather then ban together is what has always kept the 1% on top in our history and continues to keep them on top today.
Exactly division .
That becomes a problem when the top %1 is unstable. Maybe the top %0.01
Here is one way to keep it simple , there is the human race that originated with African or Black people and different ethnicities , the result of geography and traditions . Regardless of your appearance now , you would not exist without Black people .
What about the biological (DNA) aspects of ethnicity?
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As a polish american, most Americans of polish decent will in fact claim to be polish, not just white. The reason is that poles left Europe because of Russians invading Poland and wanting a better chance in life. Because of the Russification of Poland, polish is still taught in schools and spoken in the home of the decedents of these immigrants. This is why there is a strong connection to our history and pride in our people. Bad example at 5:30 to use polish. But loved the educational video.
The podcast 'Scene on Radio' has a great series about the history of whiteness.
They go into detail on the economic, political, and social aspects, and how whiteness has arbitrarily accommodated and rejected various ethnicities. The Virginia Colony, for example, made sure that John Rolf's descendants had an exemption carved out, making sure their native heritage didnt mess with their property rights.
Why don't you monetize your series or your channel? These are so educational and useful. You should be earning some good money to be able to do even better. Honestly.
A note that ethnoreligions are a thing, which is why someone can be ethnically Jewish, Hindu, etc. if they want to be.
Dave, they are usually identified physically as Jews. my uncle's wife very much looks like a jew and is consistently identified as such , she is a secular jew. But Hindu is not on a " want to be basis", its both its own ethnicity and religion, Hindi speakers aren't always Hindu and can even be muslims . Hindus are both distinct within the same nation but they also identify as asian .
Hinduism is not an ethnoreligion.
I’ve never gotten the conclusion that because X group of people were oppressed then Y group of people can’t complain about their oppression. If anything that should drive allyship. I never want people to go through what my people went through.
Can you make a video on American Imperialism/Colonialism? Would like to learn more about the expansion of the US and involvement in the Filipino fight for independence. Also it would be nice to view a video on the evolution of textiles in American society ( i.e., the popularization of denim and polyester.) Thanks and keep up the great vids!
I would love to see some discussion about the Indigenous countries the USA is colonising right now and how that is being done in more detail, too!
I would also love to see how the Philippines engaged in internal colonialism to incorporate Mindanao and Sulu archipelagos.
ok, seriously? "New hyphenated -identities." Look, this is all great so long as we can put a box around it. OoE producers are right to point out that this is race in North America. But to a Latin American this all sounds like gibberish. Nothing new about miscegenation.
As far as I'm concerned, there's one race (human), and everything else is an ethnicity and/or nationality.
🤦🏾♂️Ugh... Humans are a species.
Thats a lovely sentiment and one I wish we could afford to agree with, as a culture. Sadly we exist in a context where the artificial concept of race is still systemically implemented to hurt and oppress people, and pretending that it doesn’t exist, or that it doesnt influence us, is about as useful to the real people who are hurt because of race as sticking our fingers in our ears.
Safiya Raheem says the mixed mongrel 😂💀
Duece Lee Productions they don’t hear you through bro , they are whitewashed dummies
Duece, thank you for articulating your thoughts associated with the emoji you used. Originally you just posted 🤦🏾♂️, which wasn’t really helpful to the conversation. To all: I understand that not everyone will agree with my choice not to fixate on skin color, eye, color, and skull shape. I also understand that people are treated very differently because of those features, and that race has real-life consequences. My choice of perception is an attempt to celebrate unity rather than stoke the negativity that comes with division. I also respect those who prefer to stick with scientific classifications. Have a wonderful day.
You should have a sit down with Michael Brooks or Sam Seder on this topic of race, ethnicity and even culture. They and viewers like me would love it and you
OMG this is so much better than any other online video I have seen on this topic. I taught Sociology for 12 years and this is really well done. Bravo! I was almost afraid to watch and be disappointed. Thank you.
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IMHO - Just one race - The Human Race - Really did your research on this one 👍🏽👍🏻👍👍🏼
I've been a nerd for generations! Danielle at PBS Digital Studios said so herself!
as a northeuropean from scandinavia, new geneological evidence has shown that the original scandinavians comes from 3 diffrent migrationgroups in the stone age, the western that was darkskinned with blue eyes, the eastern what was fairskinned with dark eyes, and the indo-european Yamnaya from the southeastern european steppe
I think we should expand (political) representation to somewhere in-between race and ethnicity. Nations/cultures/races tend to have importantly nuanced ways of governing themselves, as in certain education styles, different languages, healthcare styles, deathcare styles and ways to include children and elderly. At the moment, the assimilatory American/Canadian (and, well, nation-state) models are trying to flatten and assimilate. Why can we not properly breakdown governance of childcare, eldercare, healthcare, deathcare and education into different nations' jurisdictions? Like, here in BC (British Cascadia as I like to call it), we have such a plurality of nations, each with active cultures surrounding how best to deal with these issues, why not just allow the school districts to be culturally-tied instead of regionally so? Let the other nations come together, govern themselves as they wish (which they already do, but now make it legitimate) and work alongside the current political foundations (provinces, territories, states). It would ease up on the province's (state's/territory's) finances by a lot if suddenly only a small group of people needed access to the provincially-run hospital or state-run schools. We do not need to remove the current structures (unless they become unused), we just need to decentralise and de-discriminate our governing.
I also think we need to end the reserve/ation system and just recognise that the United states and territories and Canada's provinces and territories are simply just a drawn-on layer on top of a rich tapestry of (often overlapping) Indigenous countries. Vast majority of First Nations (as well as Inuit, Métis and other Indigenous peoples) are still here... why can we not simply recognise their countries exist? Name them, locate them, work with them... Is that not nation-to-nation?
...I also think we should syphon all environmental, land, water, etc. laws to the Indigenous countries and their [Indigenous] legal traditions. Because we are all dead if we do not do something about the global climate catastrophe
Yes! all that... I could not habe pour it more eloquently; or really eloquently at all😁. So yes.. I think these are all very good ideas!
For most of history, ethnos meant race.
The modern idea denying ethnos as race is nationalist. Redefine the race as Caucasian or Black or Asiatic then get any ethnos within your national boundaries to surrender their identity and adopt national allegiance. Within a century or more the ethnos disappears.
It doesn't always work 100% of the time.
France still has Brittany, Basque, and other ethnos.
Spain still has Galicians, Basques, Catalans, Andalusians (tanned complexions), Estremadura (very pale, almost bloodless paper white), Canarians.
Germany has Bavaria.
UK has Welch, Scots, Scots-Irish.
Essentially, do you find distinguishable-peoples within particular-locales whose distinguishable characteristics survived or continues to survive multigenerationally without being extinguished through admixture with surrounding populations.
In Trinidad and Tobago,and also Guyana, the major ethnicities are african and indian. Because of the mixing, in the last census they created a special "mixed" category of those two races only and another mixed category for other racial mixes; european, chinese, middle eastern, indigenous. The colloquial term for someone of afro-indo descent is "Dougla" and even with this category, there are different varieties as well depending on what features you retain from each eg. Complexion, hair type. A popular “dougla”
Is actually Nicki Minaj (Real name Onika Maraj) It’s very interesting for a small island to be extremely diverse racially. Something we are very proud of :)
Indian from Asia right?
RG Fleuridor umm yeah, as in the nationality... if u thought the indigenous, they’re called by their tribal names. In this case, the Tainos and Kalinagos or Caribs and Arawaks
they did the same in singapore they have Chindians , a porte-manteau for the obvious. They have many others that i kept hearing about when i was there
African isn't an ethnicity. It's a continent....lol. ethnicity is a small group of biologically related people. Like Yoruba, somali, amhara, soninke etc.
@@najma2613 first i read "soninke" , for that alone you get a like there is also Kassonkhe . Mali4ever
What DEFINITION of "race"?
Can there be a definition, if NO ONE exicity agrees with the explanation?
This entire video is a word salad of meaningless conclusions, or lack thereof!
Seriously, What was the purpose of this video? It's just a loose history lesson, surrounding people discrimination/hierarchical socialization.
Words Used but Not Definied or Distinguished from one another:
RACE
CLASS
CULTURE
ETHNICITY
HERITAGE
IDENTITY
NATIONALITY
I agree that these things are fluid...
I agree that it's impossible to pinpoint the sole arbiter of what the definition is for these terms...
But I do think it would way more useful and intellectually honest to state that..."with all of this GREY-AREA, let's not give credence to the HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE, opinions and conclusion people group-think their way into and out of, pertaining to self-perception and perspectives on others.
I find this channel amazing, I am from South Africa, as much as this may not fully relate to some of the historical issues in SA, I do find it helps to understand some issues especially when it comes to Europeans
I'm half German British and half Chinese and grew up in a very white town near London. I used to be insecure about it, but of course there's no point in that. Because in the words of Phil Wang the comedian, "People have tried to tell me I'm a minority. I'm like, I'm both majorities, bitch. I'm alien and predator." 😂❤
I actually find race harder to define and ethnicity easier. Race is an annoying thing that's a social construct, I mean just take a look at Latin America where you would expect them to have a separate race but they don't. However they can't relate to the rest of their assigned race. Ethnicity however is easier and you can decide whether you want associate with your tribe, country, region or state.
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I imagine that attitudes towards the Irish might have been born out of the dynamics of the relationship between Ireland and England, at least as far as the Americans of English descent are concerned.
Yes the Irish were called savages by the English during the potato famine when meny Irish immigrants moved to the slums in London and couldn`t find work.
Definitely were passed down. The other major factor was the wide majority of Irish that came to the US were Catholic, and America being a vehemently Protestant country presented major problems. It’s ironic because the Anglo Irish Protestants that came didn’t face much of the same discrimination at all.
This video flies in the face of historical fact because many ethnic groups go back thousands of years . Most of the world operates by ethnicity and America exports race because most Americans including this lady in the video are racists who identify themselves by race to gain political power and increase their advantage over other smaller groups by incorporating people from many groups into their number. The United Nations in the 1960's declared there are over 60,000 ethnic groups in the world and America in 2021 is still trying to persecute ethnic groups by rewriting everyone else's history for them while expanding and gerrymandering America's 5 racial categories.
this video was extremely america-centric and did not really answer what an ethnicity is at all.. misleading title tbh
but as said in the opening statement it is about america not everybody else
Wow from now on i am just going to say: Race doesn't exist, my ethnicity is Black and my nationality is American.
Tbh black isn't an ethnicity it's just a color term use during colonialism
So next time a white person of Anglo origin marries a Italian, ima call it "interracial couple" just to bug them.
😂🤣 Invite me and I’ll join.
I'm from Spain still don't now what to mark when a casting call says "race" and gives me the option to choose either Hispanic or Caucasian. The best way to put it would be "iberian" but like, I AM hispanic, but I am also your average white brunette living in a (corrupt, almost bankrupt D:) first world country...
I'm Portuguese, so it's even worse! We don't quite fit neither in Hispanic nor Caucasian :(
What does a ethnic group makes a ethnic group? I honestly still don’t understand
Being of similar (regional and cultural) decent.
It's more about culture. Language, religion, food, clothes, etc.
@@lavitorroja2632 you forgot common heritage
If one were to go by her definition, India's various castes could easily be branded as just various 'ethnicities'. They have shared identity, shared customs, long heritage and even often live in their own communities (by choice or force). I don't think too many people would be into that. Indeed, a whole swathe of vocation-based heritage (family / community jobs lasting many generations) across the world could could be classified as 'ethnicity', but aren't. You're right to be still confused. It means you weren't already clear about it before coming here, looking merely for confirmation of your worldview (unlike a lot of the people here in the comments).
My race is white (something that isn’t even real race is made up crock and I refuse to acknowledge it) my ethnicity is Jewish my heritage is Russian and British
I was hooting and clapping like this video was my favorite song lol, thanks for making this
So well put Danielle, as always. While the Irish and other white groups of people did have periods of persecution, most recently Jews, groups of white people do not deal with persecution today, while people of other colors still deal with this everyday. I come from a Jewish background and I know that when I meet people they do not generally immediately see my Jewishness and judge me, with preconceived thoughts, based on it. The same can not be said about people of color. Also there are major differences in severity that different groups have had to deal with, with persecution, it is not right to say Irish have dealt with the persecution of the same level that black people have, for as long as black people have.
This is really interesting, and a terrific brief lesson. Thanks! My family all came to the USA in the late 1800s, and all of them were Slavs. They were Poles, Rusyns (Lemkos), and Croats. While all were among the greater Slavic community, they are divided by Western, Eastern and Southern Slavs. Further complicating it is the injection of religion as cultural markers. Poles are most often Roman Catholic, while my Lemko family was Ukrainian Greek Catholic. In the Balkan countries that once made up Yugoslavia, you have Roman Catholics, Muslims and Eastern Orthodox creating huge cultural divisions among people who have more genetically in common than they'd like to believe they do. These religious markers are starkly aligned to how Yugoslavia was divided into different countries after the 1990s Balkan wars.
Religion seems to meet the requirements of heritage and culture to further define/refine ethnicity. In the case of the Slavs, Is it fair to say that religion has created sub-ethnicities?
In Balkans Croatians and Slovenes in are Catholics, Serbs are Orthodox, Bosnians are Muslims
the main issue with these videos, is that the are prescribing authrotity of fact on topics which are socio-cultural, socio political. this is all of course a "prescription" of how some social scientists consider concept such as race, identity and ethnicity. Others may consider race and identity that same and interchangable as socially constructs of culture. others would hardline refuse the existence of the concept of race based on its lack of biological existence, while insisting ethnicity is all that exists, while race is a political creation and manipulation. still others may focus on the concept of race, while insisting ethnicity is a temporary state of existance that can change over ones lifspan as one adapts to cultures.
Is ethncity genetic? I know race isn't and is a constructed division formed during the period of African slavery but how do they get ethnic breakdown on DNA tests. Is it just that they get DNA samples from people who are in certain regions currently and then attribute that DNA if it's in your sequence to that ethnicity or is the ethnicity itself truly a genetic thing. Because in DNA testing I've noticed that there are no ethnic groups on this side of the world, the western side of the world besides Native American or indigenous. You don't see things like Puerto Rican or African-American or Anglo-Saxon American or anything of that nature. That's why I'm wondering if it's a genetic thing which is ethnicity or if it's just that since do the history of the western hemisphere of how mainly everyone on this side of the world is a mixture and multitude of things because everyone is an immigrant that they're cannot be any sort of Base ethnicity if you want to say it like that besides native groups because they've been here for hundreds of years. I know genetic differences and haplogroups give variance into our phenotypes but is that necessarily genetically different in terms of biological factors?
uhh they go by ancestral markers that they use for general continents and given we've mapped even more specific groups we can kinda pin down your ethnic origins due to how certain ethnic gorups were isolated form one another like geneticists find alleles in french populations they don't find in spaniard, or german populations.
@@Mabasei so it is the way I said it above essentially. They take DNA sampling from people in certain regions and then compare people who send a DNA test to there DNA or genetic database. Because when I look at some of DNA test that are commercial, besides the fact that they have different confidence ratings which I find out many people don't notice and they think that everything is set in stone, even though ironically ancestry DNA just updated their databases and millions of people's DNA ethnic makeup changed, I've also noticed that there is a area where it says the average makeup of a Finnish person from Finland or ghanian person from Ghana and even they won't be 100% ghanian or finish or British or whatever ethnicity you want to insert. Sometimes people are for the average person but I think I remember seeing that the average French person was only 94% French. It's very interesting. I do work in genealogy and study genetics and I was more asking these questions to Foster discussion within the comments but I am still learning myself as any scientist as always.
Thank you for your response
I'd say not really. We can sort of pin down ethnicity using genetic markers because ethnicity is defined by your ancestors and the culture surrounding that. However we don't recognize the ethnicity solely by genetic markers but also the culture surrounding ones heritage.
@@ExatedWarrior so you would say not really to what? You would say that ethnicity is not genetic and is more based on Regional couplings and what we attribute as a an ethnicity through history Heritage and culture? I'm just trying to get clarification.
@@nikibronson133 Ya, that's closer to how I'd think about it.
You did good till about halfway, we've had it bad too, Mongols and the berbers, yall ain't innocent
Because people in Africa have tribes that belong to so how in the hell could we be African American in Africa is a continent
Am an british bangladeshi born in england i still say am a bangladeshi
Why do you keep saying ''eastern europe'' like its a single country? It really pisses me off. You don't say NORTHERN europe when talking about Ireland, you SPECIFICALLY say IRELAND, and you don't say SOUTHERN EUROPEAN when talking about Italy, yet you just lump all the dozens of countries in what you call east Europe into a single basket, why??? It really pisses me off. Poland is NOT ukraine, and ukraine is not Serbia.
@Curtis Martin It was a thing during the Cold War, it's not a thing anymore. The original terms were Western and Eastern blocs, then got abbreviated into Western and Eastern Europe. They are a political terms, not actual cultural or geographical, let alone ethnic terms. Italy and Norway were both in the Western bloc, but both have almost nothing in common. Bulgaria and Estonia were both part of the Eastern bloc, but both have almost nothing in common. One is a warm Southern med country, the other one is cold northern country. How many centuries need to pass before people stop living in the Cold War?
Well, I think in the US what really defines race is Colorism (phenotype) while for example in the Arab world Colorist discrimination does exist, but the biggest factor in terms of racism is ethnicity based on paternal heritage.
You have blond Arabs in the Levante, at the same time you have dark skinned Arabs in Sudan. Who were your male ancestors is more important than your physical type.
However lighter skinned has been historically associated with upper class who didn't work as much in the sun, and (this is darker) it could also mean that your ancestors could European slaves.
So while skin color matters in the Arab world, it doesn't matter as much as ancestry.
Its race how are people from West Africa the same as a white person with Irish and French roots? We dont even have the same hair texture. Black Americans also have our own history. There are also Chinese descent Americans. It goes well beyond color.
The title should be "US perception of ethnicity".
Thanks to family history of both sides of my Mother and Father, I am made up of 5 different areas of Europe. So even though I was born here in the U.S, at times I conceder myself to be a European-American. Not just a American, German-American, Irish-American, and so on.
I watched a movie called Gangs of New York, NOT ALL of it was TRUE but it is a Historical movie in my opinion and I learned a lot from it. Love how you talk a lot about that movie without even talking or mentioning that movie. A must watch.
Not true, my friend Amanda in North Carolina was born American and identifies as Polish.
You said people in America never identify as Polish.
My race is Human...
Playing certain types of video games is a personal preference for a 'pass-time' or a HOBBY. It has nothing to do with the topic. It's really in the video to act as a method of distraction so people will not question what they are hearing - a very common *gas-lightning tactic*
This should be mandatory viewing for "white" people to educate themselves.
Ha!
Many people mix up English with British.
The English are a ethnic group.
To be British you only need a British passport, and to live in Britain.
To be English you need to have majority English heritage.
Just as you can’t become Japanese just because you move to Japan, learn the langue and follow the customs. Your ethnic group is still what ever it was before you moved there.
You can feel English. Speak English. Behave like an Englishman. Support England in football. Hold a British passport and live in England. And still not be English by your ethnic group.
Not that it matters.
But it’s just annoying when people mix this stuff up and tell you that you don’t exist.
You smile too much when you tell the story of our past🤔 our ancestors suffered too much for you to be smiling
Good lord, please stop.
Love this
Ethnicity, I’m Italian 🇮🇹 Scottish 🏴 Sicilian Ojibwe And Native
So you yt (race) wherever you live (nationality) ethnicity (mixed like everyone else) ✅
@@DoubleBeezy well I’m from Canada, nationality 🇨🇦 Canadian and American 🇺🇸
@@DoubleBeezy My mom is Ojibwe Native and a little bit Scottish and my dad is Ojibwe Italian Sicilian and my grandmother is Ojibwe And Scottish
I have controversial things on this subject that will upset a lot of people! JK, I'm just trying to fit in online.
I am Born of parents from Mexico born and raised in Mexico but they moved to the USA. So if I identify as American because I was was born and raised in the USA all my life I feel more And act naturally more American in Many ways than I do Mexican. My question is does that make me American?. I ask because whenever I think of Mexicans like myself I think you are part Mexican to some extent via family ancestry or one of your parents or both parents are Mexican or you come from a family ancestry that some of your family lineage married and had Mexican ancestors.
This series is so phenomenal. Concise and so revealing about so many things. #stan Danielle Bainbridge
We so love putting people in boxes. :-(
It's all mostly social pseudoscience.
The way I see it is when I read definition and talk about race and ethinicity I tell that race is biological and it cant be changed. While ethnicity is can be changed. Its what u identify with. Like if a person say they are biracial that mean they are mixed with 2 races like half-White and half-Black. half-Asian and half-White or half-Asian and half-Black. Now if someone says they are half-Irish and half-Italian thats not biracial. Thats still White just 2 different nationalities and ethnicities. Same goes for a person says they are half-Jamaican & half-Nigerian. Theyre still black but 2 different nationalities and ethnicities. Now if someone says they are half-Latin and half-White or half-Black it would be no need to say they are biracial because Hispanic and Latinos are not races. They are ethnicities. Cause they are alot of Hispanics and Latinos who are White or Black but wont consider themselves either of them races. Theyll say they have their own identity. Almost they are alot of Arab and Middle Easterners have both White and Black skin but dont consider themselves either race. Theyre their own identity. Just because they have White skin doesnt mean they are White. Just because someone Black skin doesnt mean they're black. I read people who are White are Caucasian but not all Caucasian people are White. All Black people are Negroid but not all Negroids are Black.
2:29 she's right; for a long time, Canadian of French descent were told to "speak white" by those of Anglo-saxons descent if they didn't speak English. My two best examples are the following:
On October 12, 1889, during debates in the Canadian House of Commons, Canadian Liberal Party Henri Bourassa was booed by English-speaking members who shouted "Speak White!" when Bourassa tried to explain himself in French; and on the night of December 9, 1999, vandals installed a banner on the bridge separating Quebec and Ontario which read: “From this point speak white!"
Actually, I've never really had discrimination problems (expected for my skin tone )since...im super like SUPER mixed in my orgins and no one can really see on my face from which "groups" I belong too
The thing is... I juste don't relate to any ethnicity or else excepted my nationality and my parent's nationnality's cultures
I'm juste....a human😅 a French human
love your channel don't know you but am enchanted by your intellect and your sincerity to inform/educate your fellow travelers. The journey may seem long but the trip is imho worthwhile if you travel like you do
Meneer Bugg, You are afrikaans.
Basically American classification:
1. White - actually not a race, just a subset of Caucasoid race, which is "light enough". Caucasians which are "dark enough" do not fit into this category. Basically "white" is a term of colorism.
2. Black - artificially lumping together different dark-skinned populations like "Negroid", "Pygmies" and "Capoid" (Khoi-San) people of Sub-Saharan Africa, some dark skinned Caucasians of North East Africa and "Australoid" people (Australian aboriginals, Papuans and Melanesians). Even though those groups have different anthropology, genetics and history... Not to say mixed-race people with any degree of "black" ancestry also fit here, if they look "black enough".
3. Asian - geographical term, lumps together all groups from 4/5 of Eurasia, which is beyond arbitrarily defined "Europe".
4. Native American - pretty good, all Natives of the Americas actually are a related population, BUT Eskimos (Inuits, Aleuts and others) are closer to Siberians, than other natives of the Americas.
5. Pacific Islander - lumps together Melanesians, Polynesians and Micronesians.
6. Hispanic and Latino - lumps together all people speaking Spanish and all from Latin America, independent of real race and ethnicity. Why do Spaniards fit in this category, Portuguese only sometimes do, and French and Italians do not?
Basically America should get rid of that nonsense classification scheme.
This is not true at all. Mostly becuase in the beginning of the video when you mentioned Punjabi as an ethnicity you are contradicting yourself when you say shared heritage. Ethncities in India the rest of South Asia and parts of Southeast Asia are based on ethno-lingustic categories. For example Bengali people (while originally meaning natives of the Bengal region that constituted a large Tibetan-Burmese population of native tribes and kingdoms) is now an ethnicity based on if you assimilated into the Bengali lingua-franca. Through many migrations North Indians (primarily from Delhi) during the Mughal empire started speaking this lingua franca and created a society of Bengali speakers calling themselves Bengali people. As comercial centers grew many tribal people (not all) being primarily Tibetan-Burmese assimilated into the Bengali society but still speaking their native tongue (now they are called dialects such as Syhleti, Chittagongian, Rajbongshi, Hajong, Chakma etc.) then in the 1900s during British separation many south Indian muslims (primarily from Tamil and Telegu) came to modern day Bangladesh and assimilated into the Bengali society and now consider themselves Bengali. None of these groups have shared ancestry or heritage but yet they all consider themselves the same ethnicity. This is primarily also why Bangladesh is 99% Bengali even tho the Bengali ethnicity it's self is extremely diverse (I didn't even mention the Arabian assimilation).
I love the series - you offer very informative, well-documented primers on complex topics. I may be asking for the moon, but on this topic at least it might be helpful to reach outside of the American context. For most Americans, race has subsumed ethnicity (with the telling exception of Latinos, the one “ethnic” group that has contemporary salience), but in the much of the world ethnic differences are still paramount. I was born in Poland, and if they’d let me I’d put Polish down as my race. I don’t even know what white means as an identity - I recognize that I am treated better as a result of that (which is grotesquely unjust), but I kind of feel like I’m just passing all the time.
The crazy thing about that is if you put Polish down as a race today in America you would have a harder time getting the job. Which like you said is pretty grotesque.
People whose ancestors have lived together in the same small town in Alabama for four hundred years are the same ethnicity. People who live in Belgium who speak French are a different ethnicity from people who live in Belgium and speak Dutch.
Race & Ethnic classification seems arbitrary, as if it depends more on who is making the distinction or why.
I mean, she kinda explained it in the video, also reading of the comments helped me understand this topic
Woah wait maybe i've been wrong for so long cuz i always said race was ethnicity instead of the phenotypic characteristics. So do i just say that person is being rude towards that person's ethnicity? (instead of saying racist)
Love your videos! Just wanted to shoot some good vibes your way!
Nothing but good vibes when it's Danielle, and a Bavarian teddy bear on the screen! I love her work.