LOW TIERS GOT BUFFED!!

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  • Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
  • In Smash Ultimate's 13.0 Patch Jigglypuff, Dr. Mario, Zelda, Lucario, Rosalina & Luma, Little Mac, Ridley, King K Rool, Isabelle, and Incineroar got buffed! 13.0.0 is crazy
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  • @staidanom
    @staidanom 3 года назад +116

    Doc mains, tonight, we eat the finest food there is.

    • @fissilewhistle
      @fissilewhistle 3 года назад +18

      He’s probably still not going to be good. The buffs, while nice, don’t fix any of the things holding him back.

    • @logansanchez7998
      @logansanchez7998 3 года назад +11

      I like the buffs a lot, but rather than any of them I'd rather have more air speed/velocity

    • @Exl6243
      @Exl6243 2 года назад

      @@fissilewhistle I mean, a frame 2 ground option helps a lot with disadvantage...

  • @firebal6129
    @firebal6129 3 года назад +215

    I don’t main any of these characters but this is a GREAT patch. Almost all buffs, and almost only to low and mid tiers. LETS GO

    • @YounesLayachi
      @YounesLayachi 3 года назад +6

      And a couple meaningful buffs too, new combos and kill moves

    • @Succer
      @Succer 3 года назад +11

      But bro they buffed Zelda 😐

    • @gilbertguerrero2916
      @gilbertguerrero2916 3 года назад +8

      @@Succer yeah that’s kinda cringe but hey we can rejoice for all the other characters.

    • @julianmanjarres1998
      @julianmanjarres1998 3 года назад +4

      Min min and pika needed nerfs

    • @firebal6129
      @firebal6129 3 года назад +5

      @@Succer yeah, but offline Zelda desperately needed those buffs.

  • @MistaFinni
    @MistaFinni 3 года назад +213

    Been playing mac a lot after update. Getting a noticable amount of shield breaks!

    • @IgnotusLotus
      @IgnotusLotus 3 года назад +3

      Are you finding you have more stage control or still the same?

    • @ShadamAran
      @ShadamAran 3 года назад +2

      yeah mac buffs seem pretty srs

    • @MistaFinni
      @MistaFinni 3 года назад +9

      @@IgnotusLotus with the added hitstun to up tilt, I am noticing I can punish landings a lot easier. The counter damage also being buffed just makes Mac's ground game even more foreboding and just makes him even better on the ground. Speaking of better on the ground, Neutral-B is kinda weird. I haven't really noticed the "reduced vulnerability" or "double input the b button to buffer" but I think neutral-b can be cancelled quicker? However, the launch power and the speed of the move is definitely noticeable.

    • @MistaFinni
      @MistaFinni 3 года назад +10

      @HATERS GONNA HATE AND UP TILT COMBOS INTO UP-B BETTER (MIGHT BE TRUE)

    • @MistaFinni
      @MistaFinni 3 года назад +5

      @@IgnotusLotus with the added hitsun, we might see some new up-tilt to KO punch shenanigans 👀.

  • @drumlessons833
    @drumlessons833 2 года назад +10

    GimR, I saw your post on Dr. Campbell's video. I'm so sorry about your mother. Thank you for the great melee and ult content you have produced and continue to produce. My heart goes out to you.

  • @Tobunari
    @Tobunari 3 года назад +85

    Just going to point this out: the game will need patches for the amiibo of the Fighters Pass 2 characters to be used with the game, so there's always still hope for patches down the line.

    • @dippin4dots
      @dippin4dots 3 года назад +13

      Omega large brain. Lets fucking go.

    • @Succer
      @Succer 3 года назад +6

      200 IQ take

    • @gilbertguerrero2916
      @gilbertguerrero2916 3 года назад +5

      Good observation! That gives me hope for the rest of the low tiers and slight top tier nerfs

    • @jellycore1316
      @jellycore1316 3 года назад

      True, good point! ^^ Good luck for the other characters!

    • @Tobunari
      @Tobunari 3 года назад +2

      Several buddies of mine are amiibo trainers, when Sephiroth dropped, many of them were able to get .bin files of Banjo, Terry, and Byleth long before their amiibo physically released.
      If I have to guess, I'd say the game has been updated to include Min Min long before her amiibo released, but whose to say.

  • @Da_Boeh7312
    @Da_Boeh7312 3 года назад +72

    It's a good day for our boi, Peanut, lol. Thought he was a threat before? Just watch him get shield breaks back to back in bracket, LMAO

    • @DokuTenbun
      @DokuTenbun 2 года назад +1

      Peanuts Sauce levels now may reach an All-Time high.

  • @thunderd7904
    @thunderd7904 3 года назад +150

    Of all moves they could’ve buffed on Little Mac... they choose F-smash.

    • @Maelthorn1337
      @Maelthorn1337 3 года назад +36

      These are some pretty wifi-ass buffs.

    • @sbevenine2055
      @sbevenine2055 3 года назад +47

      F smash is possibly his best move, and one of the best F smashes in the game and it got buffed, at least Utilt is better now

    • @kayden2119
      @kayden2119 3 года назад +2

      yeah one of his most useful moves becomes even better

    • @sirtoxic5147
      @sirtoxic5147 3 года назад +2

      @@sbevenine2055 His jab is definitely his best. Frame 1 on a quick character like him

    • @sbevenine2055
      @sbevenine2055 3 года назад +3

      @@sirtoxic5147 Yeah, it's fast and can give you advantage but that's all ithas

  • @TwilightWonderer
    @TwilightWonderer 3 года назад +84

    Zelda and Rosalina we’re definitely not low tiers. But I’m not complaining. My biggest concerns is Ganondorf, a character who struggled since day one. I really feel sorry for him.

    • @brandondennis5166
      @brandondennis5166 3 года назад +13

      Cries in Ganon Main.

    • @MrComet101
      @MrComet101 3 года назад +13

      My main since day one and has practically been untouched :(

    • @sebc.416
      @sebc.416 3 года назад +8

      Zelda is defo a low tier lol

    • @LinkMaster5555
      @LinkMaster5555 3 года назад +6

      @@sebc.416 Are you sure 😊

    • @Moleje1337
      @Moleje1337 2 года назад +2

      He deserves a reflect ffs its Ganon canon.

  • @h0m3st4r
    @h0m3st4r 3 года назад +29

    Guys, just because Sora's the last DLC character, doesn't necessarily mean that this is the last patch. Who knows?

    • @Deme_Diora666
      @Deme_Diora666 3 года назад +1

      Sakurai said this was the last patch in the last direct no?

    • @Greg-uy6pu
      @Greg-uy6pu 3 года назад +28

      @@Deme_Diora666 he said there would be more small update/balancing patches. this is the last dlc patch

    • @Deme_Diora666
      @Deme_Diora666 3 года назад +1

      @@Greg-uy6pu oh wow that’s so good, they haven’t abandoned us 😂

    • @superbodoque7860
      @superbodoque7860 3 года назад +2

      @@Deme_Diora666 why are people pretending smash is dead now? A new character just got released, new patch with more on the way wtf!? This game is going to keep going until the end of time even after getting a final patch

    • @Deme_Diora666
      @Deme_Diora666 3 года назад

      @@superbodoque7860 it’s just the feeling of knowing this might be the final result of the game, patches have been consistently coming for so long that I can totally see why someone might be upset or disappointed about particular things. I don’t think anyone thinks it’s dead yet, only coming to terms with the fact the game might never get the fixes they want, and that’s valid and fine.

  • @th0rrr
    @th0rrr 3 года назад +18

    personally would have loved to see zelda's nair changed: making it so the multihits can drag someone down, like sm4sh. The changes in this patch are obviously good, but i would've liked changes to her combogame more.

  • @ABAgamer_
    @ABAgamer_ 3 года назад +63

    I’m happy with these Mac buffs, though seeing no improvements to Ganon is interesting to say the least.
    Even if the buffs don’t seem like much, they’re better than nothing!

    • @jellycore1316
      @jellycore1316 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, true!

    • @sonicsucks2961
      @sonicsucks2961 3 года назад +2

      Make Gannon Cancel his down B with a jump.

    • @grunkleg.29691
      @grunkleg.29691 3 года назад +5

      I think it's because Ganondorf is a fundamentally bad character. There's not much you can do with his moves to make him better, because he already has really good moves. And Ultimate has been especially hesitant to change character attributes

    • @ABAgamer_
      @ABAgamer_ 3 года назад +1

      The one thing I was expecting for Ganon were adjustments to his forward and up smash’s hitboxes to fix their blind spots. But hey, those are only minor changes.

    • @williamwest9204
      @williamwest9204 3 года назад

      @@grunkleg.29691 He is bad but his moves were better overall in 4 and they were at least trying to fix some of his biggest issues

  • @grimer1746
    @grimer1746 3 года назад +16

    Really excited to see what the Ridley change actually affects, but even more so the puff buffs

    • @Foofoothegoon
      @Foofoothegoon 3 года назад +6

      Ridley's my secondary and I plan mainly against a friend who's crazy good at mashing. In theory I guess it'd be good for immediately hopping out of the side-b if there's a reliable combo to be had there. But also, usually when she mashes out of side-b, I'm the one with frame advantage and can just get her in a rapid jab, so... meh.

    • @monk3110
      @monk3110 2 года назад

      No Ridley can input the jump release sooner after he begins dragging them during his side special

  • @StarWalker-si4nm
    @StarWalker-si4nm 3 года назад +6

    Bro doc is lowkey pretty cool with his buff down air and up air. I keep getting down throw into down air spike which I’m pretty sure shouldn’t work. And that neutral air wow it’s so much better now. Kinda sucks how the only noticeable low tier who WASNT buffed was Ganondorf literally the worst character in the game like what the hell man. I’m super happy the fixed the cape and down b. Before my down b would always get beat by anything now it doesn’t. Also the cape didn’t feel as consistent before.

  • @TORVEX_
    @TORVEX_ 3 года назад +45

    Not Ganon 😞

    • @brandondennis5166
      @brandondennis5166 3 года назад +6

      RIGHT?! The low tier of low tiers.

    • @MannFace51
      @MannFace51 3 года назад +6

      @@brandondennis5166 you could say he’s the KING of low tiers

    • @mr.rad-guy3767
      @mr.rad-guy3767 3 года назад +1

      Or Bowser Jr.

    • @Kiyosuki
      @Kiyosuki 2 года назад +2

      For some reason RUclips offers to translate this to English for me. lol
      And it translates to Not Ganon. It’s like even the algorithm is rubbing it in.

  • @t.h.mcelroy6597
    @t.h.mcelroy6597 3 года назад +6

    I'm salty that Kirby didn't get on the Buff Train, but I'm pretty stoked for most of these changes!

  • @KoninjaX
    @KoninjaX 3 года назад +41

    As a Mac main
    We eating good

    • @TBeaulan
      @TBeaulan 3 года назад +8

      big buff uptilt to up b, that's really good for us my friend

    • @MannFace51
      @MannFace51 3 года назад +7

      Upgraded from plain Ramen to Ramen with the flavor packet

    • @colonelpopcorn1947
      @colonelpopcorn1947 3 года назад

      Utilt was the only thing that really mattered XD

    • @Crazybark
      @Crazybark 3 года назад

      @@MannFace51 one I'd eat one I wouldn't

  • @javathehunt790
    @javathehunt790 3 года назад +3

    I just tested it, and from top platform of a battlefield, up Special for Mac kills a balloon weight (pichu) at 51%, a super heavyweight (bowser) at 94%, and a medium (Roy, pretty much dead center weight) at 74%…
    From ground level though, 88% for balloon, 117% for middle weights 134-144% for super heavy (Dk and Bowser)
    A great day for little Mac mains!

  • @wesleyesq7306
    @wesleyesq7306 3 года назад +22

    Fellow isabelle mains, lets celebrate that we _probably_ aren't in low tier anymore!

    • @OwnD1
      @OwnD1 3 года назад +8

      Eh, her buffs aren’t gonna be too noticeable

    • @GoInGcRz
      @GoInGcRz 3 года назад +1

      Mid Tier Isabelle??
      *_I can't believe, today is a good day_*

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 2 года назад

      Down smash is a nice buff, everything is poopiestains. Of course she's still low tier

  • @mageius
    @mageius 3 года назад +2

    don't know if this was a thing already but Little Mac's neutral B seems like you can now chain the move. Meaning if you press the button a 2nd time to use the move as long as it's not a full powered charge you can hold the B button on that 2nd press to have it start charging another one immediately after the move is done.

  • @XxEnderxX-lh5hf
    @XxEnderxX-lh5hf 3 года назад +3

    I think they should have buffed K Rool's down tilt, just so that the end lag is reduced, and he would have one of the best two frames in the game, because it would combo into forward air, and that move kills, sets up for more edge grauds, you could maybe even do a back air read for an earlier kill. It would also be a buff for when you burry an opponent to.

  • @yaboimorrissey5273
    @yaboimorrissey5273 3 года назад +18

    The Incineroar buffs ngl aren't terrible but not impactful for him sadly. The best buff he got is by far for his up-air. The down smash buff is neat and the Up-B buff, while it doesn't help with his recovery, it does make it so it can be used as a alternative kill move. Overall, not bad but I wish they increased his ground speed by just a bit more (enough that it's somewhat noticeable) and made his Up-B a decent recovery tool. I'm probably asking for too much, but those are his main problems.

    • @dynamo_lynn
      @dynamo_lynn 3 года назад +3

      Fair needs less landing lag. Also reduce or straight up remove the sourspots on Fair and Bair.
      I don't think he needs a run speed buff, air speed would help him a bit more I think, but I would like it if you could get a speed boost with Revenge active tho.

    • @tronontouch9925
      @tronontouch9925 2 года назад

      @@dynamo_lynn yes. And his recovery isn’t even that bad

    • @monk3110
      @monk3110 2 года назад

      What he needs is to be able to act like immediately after revenge. It’s he should be able to use to get through zoning and such and follow it up easier. I legit think that is basically all he’d need

  • @fantrotus
    @fantrotus 3 года назад +6

    Him”all low tiers getting buffed” me why will ganon never be A tier😭

  • @Lexipro_
    @Lexipro_ 3 года назад +54

    The buffs they make, will influence the meta for the foreseeable future

    • @rgprosucctions1704
      @rgprosucctions1704 3 года назад +12

      yeah, more zeldas online lol

    • @StormierNik
      @StormierNik 3 года назад +4

      *No Pikachu nerfs*
      That's a pretty good joke

  • @LGSweets
    @LGSweets 3 года назад +8

    RIP 3-hit Rosa Dsmash
    Every time they buff Rosa they take away desync tricks
    Fair remains broken

  • @EFNBrktt
    @EFNBrktt 3 года назад +4

    "I don't want to see the Zelda buffs"
    you're right, I'm sick of seeing Zelda dominate the competitive scene, it's like, give someone else a chance.... you spack

  • @Maelthorn1337
    @Maelthorn1337 3 года назад +34

    Completely disgusted that Ganondorf got NOTHING. Because other low tiers got buffed that makes him even worse.

    • @TBeaulan
      @TBeaulan 3 года назад +3

      not every low tier got buff btw, my boi plant don't get buff either but i'm not really mad about this
      maybe later we're gonna have some buff for our characters

    • @sugondese5683
      @sugondese5683 3 года назад +9

      @HATERS GONNA HATE Ganondorf would have to be holding F-Smash at the ledge and hope the opponent is dumb enough to get up onto it to kill at 0.
      Otherwise, Ganon:
      -has slow ass movement
      -has a terrible recovery
      -gets juggled and combo'd hard

    • @linkarionic6242
      @linkarionic6242 3 года назад

      @@sugondese5683 lol forgot about aerial reverse neutral b

    • @Maelthorn1337
      @Maelthorn1337 3 года назад

      @@TBeaulan I knew I was forgetting something...
      Sorry. :B

    • @TBeaulan
      @TBeaulan 3 года назад

      @@Maelthorn1337 that's ok dw :D

  • @PineapplePineapplePineapplePin
    @PineapplePineapplePineapplePin 3 года назад +15

    I still can't believe Pikachu went the entirety of Ultimate without getting any big nerfs

    • @crimphanto3229
      @crimphanto3229 3 года назад +2

      Fr, guess we have to deal with that for the rest of Ultimate now, rip.

    • @LinkMaster5555
      @LinkMaster5555 3 года назад +3

      It's bullshit really

    • @Kiyosuki
      @Kiyosuki 2 года назад

      Maybe ESAM has mental powers or something and is removing the nerfs from Sakurai’s mind.

    • @PineapplePineapplePineapplePin
      @PineapplePineapplePineapplePin 2 года назад

      My theory is The Pokemon Company threatened Sakurai if he tried

  • @mrgrimrjs
    @mrgrimrjs 3 года назад +7

    I cried for ganon. I would have settled for just fixing his air hitboxes

    • @voodude1074
      @voodude1074 3 года назад +2

      I don't understand why Ganondorf, a character that can fly in his own game, has such trash recovery. Dude can fly, but Peach and Daisy were the ones who got hover abilities?

  • @ThrusterMcBuster
    @ThrusterMcBuster 3 года назад +11

    People don’t understand that most of the stuff they buff is barely significant at all, need to see things first but I highly doubt any of these changes will ‘shake up the meta’
    At least they got rid of the kazuya infinite though good on that

    • @Super_Smash_Dude
      @Super_Smash_Dude 3 года назад +11

      I think Jigglypuff, King K Rool and Little Mac got the best changes in my opinion. Everyone else in this update received minor updates. Like Incineroar, he's stronger, but they didn't address how hard it is for Incineroar to get in on his opponents, which they should've done.

    • @TopOfAllWorlds
      @TopOfAllWorlds 3 года назад +3

      Puff jab 2 is a very nice buff

  • @zombiblaze9368
    @zombiblaze9368 3 года назад +5

    LITTLE MAC MAINS SHALL RISE

    • @loganbatis5573
      @loganbatis5573 2 года назад

      Yes, both literally and metaphorically
      *Rising uppercut intensifies*

  • @kloudywoods
    @kloudywoods 2 года назад +1

    Lucario side special needs less end lag and his up air and up smash needs a wider hit box.Only significant buff he got is the ftilt😑.

  • @JolactusJ5x5
    @JolactusJ5x5 3 года назад +3

    BassMage about to go crazy yo

  • @awiseman93
    @awiseman93 3 года назад +13

    Rip bowser jr

  • @Frostedhuh
    @Frostedhuh 3 года назад +7

    RIP Bowser Jr. getting any real buffs 2018-2021

  • @animeloverhaven
    @animeloverhaven 3 года назад +3

    I’m so glad little Mac and puff got some buffs.

  • @Mercurius19
    @Mercurius19 3 года назад +1

    That title gave me hope for a Robin buff, but yet again, he's been left untouched.

  • @KabutoMushi_
    @KabutoMushi_ 3 года назад +2

    I'm always happy to see some incineroar buffs

  • @Jackaljkljkl
    @Jackaljkljkl 3 года назад +2

    Didn't expect anything for Corrin, despite my hopes for an Up-Smash or DFS buff.

  • @Tonjit41
    @Tonjit41 3 года назад +2

    * Ganondoft cries in the corner *

  • @bryanvickers
    @bryanvickers 2 года назад +2

    With just some very minor buffs, my man Ganondorf could be such a hype mid tier. The king of evil deserves better.

  • @matiasrivera2087
    @matiasrivera2087 3 года назад +15

    Jiglypuff can combo back air into nair too
    Dr Mario can combo pill into down air
    Not sure about if its true or real but the combo counter says it connect

    • @estabravo
      @estabravo 3 года назад

      Jab 2 into dash attack might be easier/more true at higher percents too.

    • @chrispo7610
      @chrispo7610 3 года назад

      @@estabravo puff now also has jab bair as a kill confirm.

    • @blushiesplays839
      @blushiesplays839 3 года назад

      What about Jab short hop rest??

    • @chrispo7610
      @chrispo7610 3 года назад

      If the combo counter says it's true, it's true

    • @blushiesplays839
      @blushiesplays839 3 года назад

      @@chrispo7610 asking cuz I haven't had the chance. XD

  • @Erix963
    @Erix963 3 года назад +25

    But not DK... 😢

    • @mellin7049
      @mellin7049 3 года назад

      F for us DK mains

    • @TopOfAllWorlds
      @TopOfAllWorlds 3 года назад +1

      dk isnt low teir

    • @h0m3st4r
      @h0m3st4r 3 года назад +2

      @@TopOfAllWorlds Nominally, he's somewhere between mid and lower mid tier, but we see people get impressive results with him nevertheless.

    • @Rapid307
      @Rapid307 2 года назад

      DK Sucks

  • @tinyt.w.i.m7291
    @tinyt.w.i.m7291 3 года назад +4

    Doc mains!
    Stand UP ⬆️ 💊

  • @brandondennis5166
    @brandondennis5166 3 года назад +9

    ...And my man Ganon? Neglected.

  • @gleamingroses2952
    @gleamingroses2952 3 года назад +10

    This was one of the better patches all things considered. I just find it hilarious that the fanbasee is losing their shit over characters like Zelda getting buffed when it literally doesn't make much of a difference. Zelda isn't low tier, but she also is one of the more harmless characters in the game and does need buffs than people realize. (Then again this coming from a fanbase who has an abusive relationship with a game) I don't understand what is up with Nintendo fanbases and such vitriolic hate for things lately. It's not even like they buffed her specials (although Dins could use it), them buffing her normals actually encourages more Zelda's to use them in neutral. So really as long as they give a reason to use her normals more its fine. Stuff like Jab needed these changes and D-Air was the best buff she got.
    I also don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that any of her incarnations in Smash were better than Ult, where she literally had no playstyle, just a few niche normals she could throw out. And while she had certain options better in 4 (D-Tilt, Nair) everything else about the character is much worse, including worse frame data and specials, which barely functioned. Even her design was lifeless, especially in 4. Zelda isn't great by any means, but I wouldn't say she's low tier nor would I say she's so oppressive that she's unworthy of buff, just buff her in ways that encourage other moves being used.
    I don't even main the character, I just find it hilarious how easily triggered Nintendo fanbases are nowadays. Its like being next to a mine field where a simple tap will cause endless explosions. I find other moves far more annoying. (i also dislike the term wifi character as it sounds moronic) when really its Smash's bad wifi that's the problem and not the character, because she hardly feels different both on and offline.
    Outside of this I'd say Puff, Doc and Mac are the winners of this patch. RIP Ganondorf tho.

    • @onewingedren2228
      @onewingedren2228 3 года назад +3

      Smash/Nintendo Fans are like Crazy chimps
      If anything they start going apeshit and complain
      And they always have a excuse to anything ("i Lost in Smash? It was that broken character's fault not mine now i will go complain in social media!")
      Most Zelda complaining is about how people use her in qp and honestly everyone is lame in qp go play Arenas or Offline
      And these buffs weren't even great
      The only good things are easier sourspot and jab, everything else was meh

    • @Evello37
      @Evello37 3 года назад +2

      It doesn't matter if Smash's crappy online is the real problem. Nintendo aren't going to completely re-do the game's netcode years after launch, so we're stuck with that garbage.
      Because of that, Zelda is miserable to fight online. I would rather not play Smash than fight a wifi Zelda. She needs buffs offline, no doubt. But buffing her online just makes her even more obnoxious than she already was.

    • @gleamingroses2952
      @gleamingroses2952 3 года назад +1

      @@Evello37 But that still equates to Nintendo's inability to fix it and the online being trash. Focusing on her normals takes away less need to use the often spammy Zelda play online. She isn't even that much different, I don't think I've ever struggle against a Zelda with my Peach, ZSS or Palu. In fact the buffs she did get (while not game changers) do help her offline, especially when her normals are more vulnerable. LMAO
      This amount of salt for one character (who isn't even that good mind you) is funny. People are just full of hyperbole nowadays, its honestly funny and sad.

    • @williamwest9204
      @williamwest9204 3 года назад

      2.1 pm zelda was better.
      And yeah ganon was on the right track towards the end of 4 but they reniged on that in ultimate

    • @gianyrivera1082
      @gianyrivera1082 3 года назад +1

      >Zelda
      >Harmless
      Yeah sure

  • @franciscozeledon9858
    @franciscozeledon9858 3 года назад +1

    Well, I guess now theres no doubt that Ganon, main villain of nintendo's second biggest franchise, wielder of the triforce of power and the most consistent consecutive bad character in all smash games, is the bottom character in ultimate, the biggest and most balanced game yet. Fuck my life :)

  • @Super_Smash_Dude
    @Super_Smash_Dude 3 года назад +1

    I was really hoping they'd buff Lucas and Luigi.
    Like buff Lucas' up-air range and reduce the endlag of down-throw for combos. Also, make nair more consistent in terms of where the opponent would land after the final hit of nair.
    And for Luigi, get rid of his zero-to-death combo and significantly buff his recovery. Also, improve his neutral by reducing the endlag of neutral-b.
    I'm very happy for Jigglypuff, Little Mac and King K Rool. Their buffs are excellent! I just hope this isn't the last update, but if it is then I'm pleased with my mains. They're big underrated threats already.

    • @Deme_Diora666
      @Deme_Diora666 3 года назад +1

      Luigis recovery isn’t that bad tho, it can only be contested by a few characters that’s just how all recoveries work.

  • @resean2727
    @resean2727 3 года назад +58

    Imagine complaining about the worse character getting buffs lol

    • @PrettyKoolCrocodile
      @PrettyKoolCrocodile 3 года назад +8

      I know right

    • @tuzzie3332
      @tuzzie3332 3 года назад +15

      I just want Ganon buffs

    • @stealthy9156
      @stealthy9156 3 года назад +15

      The mac buffs are just overcentralising his kit more and more without fixing his main weaknesses aka godawful recovery and air game, making for even worse design. Up tilt buff might help with his combo game which wasn't that great, sure, thats a good buff, but macs problem really wasn't his F smash. REALLY wasn't.

    • @YounesLayachi
      @YounesLayachi 3 года назад

      Where are the ganon buffs ?
      More patches coming guys, just wait.

    • @YounesLayachi
      @YounesLayachi 3 года назад +13

      It's a valid complaint, because those characters are hated for their annoying gimmicks, and now the gimmicks are getting worse

  • @deviltrigger29
    @deviltrigger29 3 года назад +8

    Ayy what about my boy dorf tho? Anything? No? Again?

  • @lokixlegendx77
    @lokixlegendx77 2 года назад

    I hope next game doesnt have snake, banjo, and other spam examples that causes infinite flinch and stun to remain infinite stun, and less comback mechanics like inkling with her paint causing way more damage for free no penalty, and is a light weight with the power of dk basically

  • @suitrBJ
    @suitrBJ 3 года назад

    Nintendo: So I hear you like bandaids

  • @stevent3676
    @stevent3676 3 года назад

    *sees Jigglypuff buffs* Hungrybox is gonna be ecstatic lol

  • @InvolvedWithFire
    @InvolvedWithFire 2 года назад +1

    Blessed puff buffs.

  • @ssnsfronunder8234
    @ssnsfronunder8234 3 года назад +4

    who is mii gunner?

  • @DetectiveDar
    @DetectiveDar 2 года назад

    We miss you dude! Take as long as you need

  • @zab2x3z
    @zab2x3z 3 года назад +6

    i counted 91 frame for jigglypuff's downthrow instead of 83. so it has more lag now

  • @GawainSSB
    @GawainSSB 3 года назад

    I like how they fail to address any of Ridleys actual problems lol

  • @floofzykitty5072
    @floofzykitty5072 3 года назад +2

    My problem with Zelda is that she is carried by her phantom in neutral. If we forget about Zelda's phantom for a second, from Smash 4 to Smash Ultimate, Zelda was not actually buffed and was nerfed in several ways. Her D-Throw lost a bit of its combo potential, her d-tilt was gutted, her f-smash used to be better on shield, the elevator used to be more consistent + kill earlier, her u-air used to kill earlier.
    Now if Zelda was seemingly overall nerfed from Smash 4 to Ultimate, why is it that she is doing MUCH better than Smash 4? It is primarily just Phantom + the air dodge changes. Look at any pro match where Zelda is vs someone with a good reflector or can deal with her phantom and she seems so awful.

    • @darkhaven9119
      @darkhaven9119 3 года назад

      Her phantom is trash wtf are you talking about? It takes forever to send out and it’s easily avoidable. Plus you can only use it in the ground. Her neutral is carried by her phantom? That’s the most retarded shit I’ve heard

    • @thesuperjag
      @thesuperjag 3 года назад

      @@darkhaven9119 you do realize…. Zelda can send the Phantom earlier… she doesn’t need to wait for the phantom to do attack by itself. She can send it earlier than normal. I may be a casual, but I also main Zelda!

    • @darkhaven9119
      @darkhaven9119 3 года назад

      @@thesuperjag you have to charge the phantom attack dude smh. Yeah technically you can just send it without charging it but then it doesn’t properly do the attack and it’s even worse.

    • @darkhaven9119
      @darkhaven9119 3 года назад

      @@thesuperjag and regardless it’s a super slow move and it’s extremely easy to dodge. It’s a trash move and it DOESN’T carry her neutral at all lol

    • @thesuperjag
      @thesuperjag 3 года назад

      @@darkhaven9119 Sure, but nobody is gonna wait for a level 5 phantom to be finished. And I never said anything about neutral. I tend to send level 4 and the earliest timing of level 5 phantom cause I hate it when a Phantom goes into an attack without my input

  • @not_eggs752
    @not_eggs752 3 года назад

    Meta Knight: why are we still here, just to suffer.

  • @AshBlossomWorshiper
    @AshBlossomWorshiper 3 года назад

    I love the showing of the moves after

  • @cannondorf
    @cannondorf 2 года назад

    Ganon mains punching the air rn
    I’m punching the air rn

  • @zxcvbnm-wd9hd
    @zxcvbnm-wd9hd 2 года назад

    it’s been a month since sora released and even the lab god can’t find anything cool about sora

  • @nesswednesday2976
    @nesswednesday2976 3 года назад +4

    Another okay patch, great to see weaker characters get buffed, especially Mac. However, it's hit or miss on average. Some of them follow the old "improve what's good" trend like Mac's fsmash and up-b buff. Then there's stuff like K. Rool and Puff getting some good stuff out of it. It goes to show how patches have always been all over the place beyond whatever metrics are used. Regardless, happy for those that like the buffs

  • @RichardHannay
    @RichardHannay 3 года назад +2

    What about Banjo and Kazooie?

  • @Sockem16
    @Sockem16 3 года назад +17

    Still no buffs for lucas, he will forever be mid tier

    • @firebal6129
      @firebal6129 3 года назад

      *high tier

    • @ieatcereal4dinner489
      @ieatcereal4dinner489 3 года назад

      Lucas is like almost high tier, he doesn't need buffs.

    • @Sockem16
      @Sockem16 3 года назад +6

      @@ieatcereal4dinner489 how about high mid tier, too floaty and slow to be high tier

    • @ieatcereal4dinner489
      @ieatcereal4dinner489 3 года назад +5

      @@Sockem16 So in other words...almost high tier? But I don't think being floaty and slow necessarily makes an automatic worse character. Okay, slow definitely, but Lucas is faster than Ness and Ness is high tier.

    • @Sockem16
      @Sockem16 3 года назад +2

      @@ieatcereal4dinner489 I think he's really good but the fact that he's floaty makes it easy for him to be juggled and he doesn't have much to get down to the floor. Dair isn't as big as it seems

  • @Tocaraca
    @Tocaraca 3 года назад +4

    Wtf? No Ganondorf buffs???

  • @voltorian-minecraft
    @voltorian-minecraft 3 года назад

    pikachu be pancaking under nerfs again

  • @nathanhiggs8750
    @nathanhiggs8750 3 года назад +1

    No kirby air speed buff though :(

  • @ShadowStorm2001
    @ShadowStorm2001 3 года назад +5

    F in the chat for Mewtwo & Ganondorf. Mewtwo I was hoping for a weight increase and maybe a little less end lag on up-B. Ganondorf…just needs it everywhere tbh. All in all though, very good patch.

    • @Deme_Diora666
      @Deme_Diora666 3 года назад +1

      I’m pretty sure they don’t increase base stats on characters in patches so mewtwo never would have gotten a weight increase, let me know if I’m wrong tho.

    • @yoyoguy1st
      @yoyoguy1st 3 года назад

      @@Deme_Diora666 he already has gotten a weight increase in an earlier patch.

  • @nesstOar
    @nesstOar 2 года назад

    This should be good for the low tier mains. Little MAC haha

  • @smokyjo5245
    @smokyjo5245 3 года назад

    Dorf mains be crying evil tears right now

  • @paulnoell39
    @paulnoell39 2 года назад

    Jigglypuff already tears me apart with the campy baity playstyle that I struggle against, now I am really gonna be screwed

  • @hugodecroix294
    @hugodecroix294 2 года назад

    I hate that pika got away with never being nerfed , like all top tier got some taken. Favoritism very big here

  • @woomynation
    @woomynation 3 года назад +2

    Kind of wish ridley had more significant buffs, but we take those. Ridley mains rise up!

    • @voodude1074
      @voodude1074 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, this buff doesn't really do anything. What he needs is for skewer to either break shields or maybe even just act as a command grab. It's basically useless at high level play at the moment, and buffing it in that way wouldn't really make it broken considering how much start and end lag there is and how small the sweet spot is. Considering his combo game is also trash and he's huge he's still got plenty of disadvantages, but a character who is that menacing and powerful in his own games shouldn't feel like an absolute joke.

    • @woomynation
      @woomynation 3 года назад +1

      ​@@voodude1074 exactly how I feel on many ends. Skewer is a failed attack, meant to deal high damage but can easily be blocked with shield, crazy hard to hit for its speed, and even after you hit it there isn't a guaranteed kill. It's much safer to play neutral game to build up percent and then use a kill option. Even neutral b is a complete joke, having weak edge guarding potential that only works if spaced correctly, most of the time worse than just dropping off the ledge and doing nair/fair/bair. It's even worse because Ridley takes extra damage if he is hit during chargup canceling the move, has horrendous end lag and takes a long time to charge up. Wish his worst moves would be addressed (maybe even dair which needs some buff since its hitbox sucks and isn't safe) to make Ridley more viable.

    • @voodude1074
      @voodude1074 2 года назад +1

      @@woomynation yeah, dair also needs to either have the option to cancel or have splash damage. I only ever use it as a VERY occasional mixup because no one ever expects it to be used so they sometimes chase you upwards and aren't ready for it.
      Personally, I think Sakurai failed in designing both Ridley and Ganondorf. Both characters can fly in their respective games, but are completely outclassed in the air by most other characters. That includes Jigglypuff, who CAN'T fly in Pokemon but for some reason gets to do it in Smash, and Piranha Plant, who can't even leave the ground in its games. I know Sakurai has always said that he wants to be faithful to the characters, but he seriously failed with these two. Both feel like a joke instead of feeling like the menacing boss characters they are.

    • @woomynation
      @woomynation 2 года назад +1

      @@voodude1074 very much agree. Some characters were just designed really weirdly and characters like jigglypuff and Ganon fit in that category with ridley. I feel like the best example of what a well designed dair that goes straight down is browser's. It's can drift in the air, has decent hitbox, speed, and damage, as well as having splash on landing (and don't quote me on this, but pretty sure he has invulnerability on his shell) and being hard to hit during it.

    • @voodude1074
      @voodude1074 2 года назад

      @@woomynation exactly. If Ridley had all that, I wouldn't even mind that it kills you if you use it offstage. It would feel like a huge, powerful dragon dive-bombing you with all his weight (which should also be much higher considering how huge he is).

  • @DnnrPants
    @DnnrPants 3 года назад +1

    Low tier buffs make me sick. You telling me I gotta LEARN?!

    • @yoyoguy1st
      @yoyoguy1st 3 года назад

      No. There won’t be any differences significant enough to need to learn anything

  • @2ndai385
    @2ndai385 2 года назад

    Where was my duck hunt buffs. It’s so sad

  • @Greennoob2
    @Greennoob2 3 года назад +2

    I was a Ganondorf main in Smash 4... I don't play competitively since Smash Ult released :(. Pls make Ganon a little better

    • @williamwest9204
      @williamwest9204 3 года назад

      While still bad ganon was better in 4 and the few buffs he got actually he did get more help from

  • @stixsis4656
    @stixsis4656 3 года назад +16

    These patch notes are actually REALLY depressing, I mean it's better than nothing but still.

    • @TBeaulan
      @TBeaulan 3 года назад +2

      why?

    • @firebal6129
      @firebal6129 3 года назад +8

      But like, these are great
      Unless you wanted aegis nerfed

    • @TBeaulan
      @TBeaulan 3 года назад +3

      @@firebal6129 ofc we want that

    • @Kurayamiblack
      @Kurayamiblack 3 года назад +9

      I mean, if you wanted good characters to get even better then yeah. But if you wanted your favorite bad characters to become more playable then this is awesome.
      Also, if having your good character get nerfed makes you sad, then this is also an awesome patch because that didn't happen 👌

    • @firebal6129
      @firebal6129 3 года назад +4

      @@TBeaulan yeah, same, but that’s no reason to dislike these patch notes

  • @Tsunderebolt
    @Tsunderebolt 3 года назад +1

    atleast they didn't buff zelda's b moves...

  • @monkeman8759
    @monkeman8759 3 года назад

    Doc got buffed
    About time

  • @0vercrafted
    @0vercrafted 3 года назад +3

    "Low tiers buffed". Still no Jr. Buffs. Ever.

    • @MerryBlind
      @MerryBlind 2 года назад

      Jr. has definitely been buffed several times in previous patches.

  • @sethb023ify
    @sethb023ify 2 года назад

    I'm convinced Sakurai just hates Ganondorf :(

  • @IndiGrey17
    @IndiGrey17 2 года назад +1

    Ganon mains crying

  • @peregrinehawk8363
    @peregrinehawk8363 3 года назад +1

    They didn't nerf pika..

  • @ssctiyo4735
    @ssctiyo4735 3 года назад

    So Mac can UpTilt to Up B like in Sm4sh again?

  • @LexSchilperoord
    @LexSchilperoord 3 года назад +1

    Plant gang 😔

  • @zachary9385
    @zachary9385 3 года назад +1

    Dang piranha plant got nothing :(

  • @colonelpopcorn1947
    @colonelpopcorn1947 3 года назад

    For everyone complaining about Mac fsmash, it was barely changed.

  • @thatonebystander1236
    @thatonebystander1236 3 года назад +1

    K Rool buffs ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🥺

  • @kittentamer2164
    @kittentamer2164 3 года назад

    I feel bad for my main, kirby.

  • @quantumgargoyle3888
    @quantumgargoyle3888 2 года назад +1

    Why did they buff Zelda she’s already SO annoying to fight ffs

  • @MutantBurglar
    @MutantBurglar 2 года назад

    No plant buffs 😢

  • @williamwest9204
    @williamwest9204 3 года назад

    Except ganon, ddd, dk, and about 10 others lol

  • @lokixlegendx77
    @lokixlegendx77 2 года назад

    No samus buff?? Seriously??? I hate maining samus for 3 reason, lag between moves, getting hit out of my A combo by someone with slightly faster hit speed, and above all else samasus forward air is just so bad unless you combo tech on low ground but in the air shes not doing well

  • @OniiChanPls
    @OniiChanPls 3 года назад

    **Sad Ganon noises**

  • @gooseytantei7351
    @gooseytantei7351 3 года назад

    No buffs to Banjo I see.

  • @romanwagner8709
    @romanwagner8709 3 года назад +6

    How can you complain about one of the worst two characters in the game getting buffs?

  • @Connector7th
    @Connector7th 2 года назад

    The game is still lame to me.
    Smash hasn't improved on its gameplay much, only bugs and moves. I wished they implemented new things instead of just fixing bugs and doing 7 buffs(that sometimes give a placebo effect) out of 89 characters. I'm already playing DLC smash meta. Make more buffs, take out 2 framing, add quality of life, make kh drop an initial stage, change how moves work instead of them being useless

  • @Mini_Pixels
    @Mini_Pixels 2 года назад

    Where's Ganon ;(

  • @_-Dante-_
    @_-Dante-_ 3 года назад

    No kirbo changes :(