I have a '23 300RX and I've already told my dealer to get me a 350 when they come out. I've owned KTM 500 and 550 two strokes in the past and miss those days.
@ridered7394 I think it's almost 20k after import tax and fees, Kaplan cycles imported a few. If you live in Germany the 500 probably makes sense. 700 might be too big to be practical.
380 ktm was one of my alltime favorite engines. Incredible powerband that had a smooth linear power to hook up at every rpm. Terrible suspension hurt sales.
Yep owned 4 yz 490 kx 500 rm 370 it was one of the fastest bikes had 84 cr 250atac on off was just as fast sheet don't have a dirt ride at the moment have a older gsxr 750!with 1200 Bandit motor in it.
I like the idea of having very different options for open class 2t. you could have a pantera 600 or a beta 350 or brc 500 or ktm 300 or vintage 500. They aren't for everyone but they are cool. I think TM should make a big bore that is very different from the rest. The type of people that buy these bikes have way more than 1 bike.
@@NathanRoberts-d4o I'll stick to the 500, mine has ohlins and is an absolute pleasure to ride. I like the extra torque and fewer gear changes, don't like WP suspension and shitty seats of modern bikes!
I sold my Cr 500, Rm 400, Yz 490, and KX 500, messed up badly !! Casey and Rossi were all going for it, on dirt track, would have been awesome seeing it in person !!
Sure we're not brothers from another mother. Had 4 490 KX 500 RM 370 one of my baddest bikes bought 84 cr 250 found out it was a privateer bike looked stock except dg can on off. Man I miss that sheet
Have owned / rode modern 300,150, 250s also 500s. Big bores just do not have the revs, loads of bottom just not the wild top end. A 350? Might bridge that gap.
A 4-500cc two stroke thats so detuned that it doesn't need a pipe might just be the ticket for so many riders. You could literally copy the port timing off an outboard as they were tuned to pull effortlessly from idle and lacked much in the way of exhaust tuning. A simple crossflow might even make sense. I can't imagine how a single cylinder off an Evinrude 235 would sound. They're super simple, reed valved, and still rev to 5500 or so with tweeked up ones screaming a bit more.
A 350 2 smoke is a full go from me!!! I have a beta 300 race and it’s badass, but when going up against a new field injected 450s it just doesn’t quite keep up in the HP category
Had same year KX 5 hundree I modded the f out of it rad valve Barnett pro circuit works pipe bought 93 500 front end full floater brake fat bars put a 93 KX 250 rear wheel was 19" KX 18 good alum rad had that bike 14.years I also had it registered for the street. With the plate but I never used it needed the 17" motard rims only thing I got now 94 GSXR 750 with 2001 1200 bandit S motor in the frame.l
Yeah big boy 430 AE. AE was the automatic gearbox one. Going downhills if you backed the throttle off if went into neutral and had no engine braking at all. Exciting fun times
I honestly believe the 250rx will be for European 250cc(Lites) class, and the 350rx will replace the current 300rx for 450cc and Open classes as 350cc really is needed in order to compete against modern 450cc 4 strokes. Beta unveiled the 350rx as a flat track racer because in the discipline of flat track racing, traction really is key, and 4 strokes offer unparalleled traction with the exhaust and intake strokes allowing the tire to briefly slow down to grab traction again, 2 strokes do not offer this by design, hindering them from being a competitive flat tracker. Two strokes tried to mimic this with the "Big Bang" firing order of the 500cc GP bikes, but this cannot be done on single cylinder flat trackers.
2 things there. Premix means part of the gas tank is actually oil. People jetted them pig rich very often. My newer 300 makes almost zero smoke once warm, and uses about half the gas of my old 360 while making the same power. Fuel injection is amazing.
@@Kevin-s7s That's supposedly why they are considering going bigger bore. IME, the FI runs perfect every time, until it electronically shite the bed in under 60hrs. Slowly TS it. FTS, KTM experimenting on the public. I hopped on a '23 GG MC250 and there it was, the best smoker ever.
If if if.....I get tired of waiting for bikes that never come. I would love to have one but I won't be saving up for it cuzz......probably never happen. It would be better if they went for 400+cc's, but...wish in one hand and.....
@dirtniron there is an Italian review of the 2025 300 injection 2s and in this review where presents people of the rieju company and they said it. If you make some search you could find it as there are not many reviews of the injection motor
Exactly. How many guys on here wanting this 350 but realistically couldn't ride it flat out on anything other than a gravel track. But no harm in dreaming. The grass is always greener.
Did their marketing team do their research when they continued to go with the name Beta in the US? The irony of riding a bike around with “BETA” plastered all over it.😂
@ Not claiming anything about how the bike rides, just makes me wonder how that name passed it through the powers that be. Kind of like riding a bike that said “cuck” on it.
Boring. I’m all for preserving and appreciating old 2 strokes. But it blows my mind guys want to buy brand new carbureted 2 strokes. Just buy an old one lol
Your name is fitting. Because you sound stupid. Fi bikes are computer controlled. So the fuel is metered. A carb you twist. It gets more fuel. The powerband hits way harder. Ive had a fi ktm. It wants to smooth out power delivery. I dont want smoothed out power delivery. I want insanity. And old bikes. Have old brakes frames and suspension.
Old bikes don't have the chassis and suspension. Those old motors in modern frames with modern suspension and geometry are scary fast. Mostly because they're actually rideable without the quirks that killed the old big bores.
My ‘22 Beta 300rr Race Edition has been excellent until the top of the left case blew apart above the swing arm bolt. Wish I could post a pic of it. I need to email them, one seen them so wonderful things with warranty. Maybe not the case anymore.
Big bore 2 strokes suck. Want to be slower than a 450 4T while feeling like you're riding a paint mixer? Buy a 500 2T. They stopped making them because no one bought them (because they suck)...but now people want to look back on them fondly while forgetting why they're extinct.
If somebody who knows what they are doing properly develops a 350-400 one it will be of equal performance to any 450 but simpler, more reliable , lighter and cheaper to own - all the tech is out there and has been for decades , fashion and BS emissions dictated this 4 banger none sense which has ironically destroyed MX through cost and noise pollution . As somebody who has worked and built factory 2 strokes I know for a fact what is possible , plenty of amazing 2 stroke tech out there if you search that answers all the claimed negatives .
Oh,do you own one? I currently do since new,they are not slower according to kaplans dyno they have 25% more torque and are more reliable than any 450,my bike goes up in value, while you're 450 goes down in value the minute you rode it for the first time moto cross I not supposed to be easy.
Lots of people didn't buy them because they had too much power. 80+hp out of a 500 should be easy. They kept them down in the 60hp range, which is right where the modern 450 4t or 300 2t is sitting at. A counter-balanced, electric start 500 with electric power valve and fuel injection would be killer. Would be easy enough to have a multi position map switch for 60-80+hp. When I used to ride my old 96 husky 360 against the 10-12 450s at the track guys would be amazed that I'd always pull hole-shots. We were both running 60hp, but the 2t never has a dead stroke so it puts down twice as many power strokes per rpm. Also why they don't need to rev to the moon like a modern 4t.
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I have a '23 300RX and I've already told my dealer to get me a 350 when they come out. I've owned KTM 500 and 550 two strokes in the past and miss those days.
Iv never owned a new bike but may have to get this if true. Still I'd prefer closer to 450cc. 300 to 350cc jump may not feel like much.
same here, so much torque, best hill climber
Why not get the maco 700 then
@ridered7394 I think it's almost 20k after import tax and fees, Kaplan cycles imported a few. If you live in Germany the 500 probably makes sense. 700 might be too big to be practical.
380 ktm was one of my alltime favorite engines. Incredible powerband that had a smooth linear power to hook up at every rpm. Terrible suspension hurt sales.
PDS 😂
@@donbrashsux WP are still crap...
I had that bike. It was insane.
@@donbrashsux ohlins PDS worked on the limited editions. Wp PDS shock performed like a solid strut.
Nothing is as exciting as a big bore two stroke 😊
Yep owned 4 yz 490 kx 500 rm 370 it was one of the fastest bikes had 84 cr 250atac on off was just as fast sheet don't have a dirt ride at the moment have a older gsxr 750!with 1200 Bandit motor in it.
I Love the smell of 2-Stroke in the Morning!
Here in Asia have cherry cent 2t oil..... Good too
Broke the like button. Furthermore I am Italian, so proud of Beta !
What a beautiful bike! Loved to desert race the 2-strokes years ago!
Hoping for a bigger bore Beta 2-stroke. Thanks Rado.
Bout damn time am I right fellas?
I loved my 83' CR 480 it was awesome 😎 a 350 rx two stroke is the Best news of the Year
I like the idea of having very different options for open class 2t. you could have a pantera 600 or a beta 350 or brc 500 or ktm 300 or vintage 500. They aren't for everyone but they are cool. I think TM should make a big bore that is very different from the rest. The type of people that buy these bikes have way more than 1 bike.
Remember the 500 open class real good riders enter a 125 take it from the 5;hundees
I think a 350 2-stroke w/ direct-inject, vibration reduction, and all the mods, would be competetive vs 450s 💪
Exciting stuff!
Awesome. Hope so. Thanks for the report.
390 79husky cr was a great bike
Everything old is new again. Enjoyed my 89 KTM 350 EXC 2 stoke , wished i hadnt sold it in 95.
How about some investigation into these Yamaha YZ300 and YZ350F rumors. I hope the Beta isnt just a one off build.
Skip the 300, straight to a 350x.
Fun fact, KTM made a 350, 440 and 540 smoker before the 300 and 360.
Wasn't there also a 380?
worked at a ktm shop sold 350 500 540 550 "502" model engine bikes. now have a 500 and 700 MTH side car motored bikes. THE BEST things ktm ever made!!
Go chevk out Kaplin cycles hes a gas gas dealer you can get 2025 gas gas 500 from him Buy it he flys you to his shop in Maine
this is something I would buy... Im bout' done with 4 strokes. after spending a year riding a cr500, I want more than a 300cc tho
You don’t need more than 300, you’ll realize that, there no 500 but there the same power characteristics
@@NathanRoberts-d4o I'll stick to the 500, mine has ohlins and is an absolute pleasure to ride. I like the extra torque and fewer gear changes, don't like WP suspension and shitty seats of modern bikes!
Dont we all. We want 500 two strokes. They refuse
@@NathanRoberts-d4ogtfo here
@ WP is no good and the new seats do suck ass. A YZ500 would be dope
I sold my Cr 500, Rm 400, Yz 490, and KX 500, messed up badly !! Casey and Rossi were all going for it, on dirt track, would have been awesome seeing it in person !!
Sure we're not brothers from another mother. Had 4 490 KX 500 RM 370 one of my baddest bikes bought 84 cr 250 found out it was a privateer bike looked stock except dg can on off. Man I miss that sheet
I think 400 is the sweet spot
KTM did make a 400cc 2 stroke at one time. I saw it with my own eyes but cant remember the year
Ho avuto il primo KTM 300 ... Era già allora una moto perfetta 😊
Have owned / rode modern 300,150, 250s also 500s. Big bores just do not have the revs, loads of bottom just not the wild top end. A 350? Might bridge that gap.
I think a TBI 380 would be great with electric start because they used to chew alot of fuel when riding them hard
A 4-500cc two stroke thats so detuned that it doesn't need a pipe might just be the ticket for so many riders. You could literally copy the port timing off an outboard as they were tuned to pull effortlessly from idle and lacked much in the way of exhaust tuning. A simple crossflow might even make sense. I can't imagine how a single cylinder off an Evinrude 235 would sound. They're super simple, reed valved, and still rev to 5500 or so with tweeked up ones screaming a bit more.
IT is happening
Is there a chance some race series will let it compete in the 450 class?
Here the 64,000.00 question. Where do you ride it in southern California. We keep losing areas to ride ….
Bakersfield
NICE!
When you bring it to cahuilla I want a ride! 😂
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUHHHH
Stoner!! Oh wow, heck yeah!
350 Beta smoker, yes please 😁
Ok. So how about an option. Kx cr yz. You could order the 450 but with a 500 2 stroke motor instead.
A 350 2 smoke is a full go from me!!! I have a beta 300 race and it’s badass, but when going up against a new field injected 450s it just doesn’t quite keep up in the HP category
I can't ride a 4 stroke without killing it in the corners need recluse I'm used to smoker
Rite I want 2Smoke 500 E start Counter balance Crank , Smart Carb ☁️☁️☁️😜🤙🏾
what class would a 350 2 stroke compete in. i have not kept up with the rules of motocross but in the pro class i think 300's are illegal.
i was an expert in 500 class.. i always thought a 350 would be perfect for overall racing
I love my TX-300 husky best bike I’ve ever ridden
Because you prob never had a ktm 380 or one of the other big two strokes
@ I haven’t would love to try one tho, I do have a 850 skidoo freeride tho if that counts lol
I have an 88 Cr500 that I bought new. 🥰
Had same year KX 5 hundree I modded the f out of it rad valve Barnett pro circuit works pipe bought 93 500 front end full floater brake fat bars put a 93 KX 250 rear wheel was 19" KX 18 good alum rad had that bike 14.years I also had it registered for the street. With the plate but I never used it needed the 17" motard rims only thing I got now 94 GSXR 750 with 2001 1200 bandit S motor in the frame.l
It’s coming, wish it was bigger but they will sell every one.
Husky 430 👍💪😁😎
Yeah big boy 430 AE. AE was the automatic gearbox one. Going downhills if you backed the throttle off if went into neutral and had no engine braking at all. Exciting fun times
Give ys a 350 2 t race edution too.
Be cool if the honda kawasaki yamaha doing big bore 2 stroke again
As If
I honestly believe the 250rx will be for European 250cc(Lites) class, and the 350rx will replace the current 300rx for 450cc and Open classes as 350cc really is needed in order to compete against modern 450cc 4 strokes. Beta unveiled the 350rx as a flat track racer because in the discipline of flat track racing, traction really is key, and 4 strokes offer unparalleled traction with the exhaust and intake strokes allowing the tire to briefly slow down to grab traction again, 2 strokes do not offer this by design, hindering them from being a competitive flat tracker. Two strokes tried to mimic this with the "Big Bang" firing order of the 500cc GP bikes, but this cannot be done on single cylinder flat trackers.
The only thing I don't like about 2T's is how much more gas they use (and the emissions). No one ever talks about those things.
2 things there.
Premix means part of the gas tank is actually oil.
People jetted them pig rich very often.
My newer 300 makes almost zero smoke once warm, and uses about half the gas of my old 360 while making the same power. Fuel injection is amazing.
Unless it is fuel injected, it won't sell. It will motivate KTM to make an XC 350. (if KTM is still in business)
There was a rumor from an Austrian that he was told a KTM 360 TBI was being tested.
I dont want fi. Had it. Pita. Dumbs down the power delivery
@@Kevin-s7s That's supposedly why they are considering going bigger bore. IME, the FI runs perfect every time, until it electronically shite the bed in under 60hrs. Slowly TS it. FTS, KTM experimenting on the public. I hopped on a '23 GG MC250 and there it was, the best smoker ever.
@@ottokirk2325 if im going 250 im going yz with a carb and kickstarter. Show me the cc. Like 500 of em in a two stroke. 350 will do.
@@Kevin-s7s the MC250 owner says his YZ was not as good in power or handling. It's basically a '22 250SX, but looks better in red.
I would totally trade in my unridden brand new 4 stroke bike for a 350 2 smoker
If if if.....I get tired of waiting for bikes that never come. I would love to have one but I won't be saving up for it cuzz......probably never happen. It would be better if they went for 400+cc's, but...wish in one hand and.....
500 2 stroke are great
That pipe needs to be tucked away big time....!
All the manufacturers and the consumers would save alot of money if they only made and sold 2t's.
Racing would be cheaper and the sport and sales would grow.
Is this the company that made a bunch of bikes with bad crankshafts?
Also rieju will bring a big bore 2S engine
are they?
@dirtniron there is an Italian review of the 2025 300 injection 2s and in this review where presents people of the rieju company and they said it.
If you make some search you could find it as there are not many reviews of the injection motor
ruclips.net/video/8WLWOD1jsjM/видео.htmlsi=apM6281GuXVfVpoT
Definitely good news, but still not enough. 500 cc is the ONLY WAY to go.
I know this 350 is coming. And 250
Fun fact 500;open class dudes like brad lackey enter 125 win the whole thing. Them yhe good old days
Exactly. How many guys on here wanting this 350 but realistically couldn't ride it flat out on anything other than a gravel track. But no harm in dreaming. The grass is always greener.
Did their marketing team do their research when they continued to go with the name Beta in the US? The irony of riding a bike around with “BETA” plastered all over it.😂
@ Not claiming anything about how the bike rides, just makes me wonder how that name passed it through the powers that be. Kind of like riding a bike that said “cuck” on it.
@@arejaydubyaI remember my first day…
Gas gas Kaplin cycles is a dealer you can get a 2025 gas gas 500 from him.
50cc doesn’t transform a garbage bike to out weight better bikes.
Is More better 2 stroke
I don't really think so. I love my 300 but I'd probably rather try a 250 than a 350.
At some point what you have is a tractor engine.
Boring. I’m all for preserving and appreciating old 2 strokes. But it blows my mind guys want to buy brand new carbureted 2 strokes. Just buy an old one lol
Priced a 1986 cr500 lately? Almost 40 years old and they go for 7500$ and up. Then you basically need to AF it so it is modernized. No.
Your name is fitting. Because you sound stupid. Fi bikes are computer controlled. So the fuel is metered. A carb you twist. It gets more fuel. The powerband hits way harder. Ive had a fi ktm. It wants to smooth out power delivery. I dont want smoothed out power delivery. I want insanity. And old bikes. Have old brakes frames and suspension.
I would rather pay that for a piece of history than for a new bike that has the same tech as the 30 year old bike.
Old bikes don't have the chassis and suspension.
Those old motors in modern frames with modern suspension and geometry are scary fast. Mostly because they're actually rideable without the quirks that killed the old big bores.
@ why don’t they just build them and quit f around.
Sign me up 😮
A350 is not a bid bore 2 stroke
Not a big bore, just better than a 250.
beta leading the charge, but their dependability is still questionable.
My ‘22 Beta 300rr Race Edition has been excellent until the top of the left case blew apart above the swing arm bolt. Wish I could post a pic of it. I need to email them, one seen them so wonderful things with warranty. Maybe not the case anymore.
Who's isn't? The Japanese take years to release new models... Now we know why... 2 strokes FTW!
@@right_on_riggins do it!
You're full of crap. Betas are way more dependable than KTM
One of the most reliable bikes on the market and there warranty is second to none
Big bore 2 strokes suck. Want to be slower than a 450 4T while feeling like you're riding a paint mixer? Buy a 500 2T.
They stopped making them because no one bought them (because they suck)...but now people want to look back on them fondly while forgetting why they're extinct.
If somebody who knows what they are doing properly develops a 350-400 one it will be of equal performance to any 450 but simpler, more reliable , lighter and cheaper to own - all the tech is out there and has been for decades , fashion and BS emissions dictated this 4 banger none sense which has ironically destroyed MX through cost and noise pollution . As somebody who has worked and built factory 2 strokes I know for a fact what is possible , plenty of amazing 2 stroke tech out there if you search that answers all the claimed negatives .
A big 2t with a magic button will be a game changer.
Oh,do you own one? I currently do since new,they are not slower according to kaplans dyno they have 25% more torque and are more reliable than any 450,my bike goes up in value, while you're 450 goes down in value the minute you rode it for the first time moto cross I not supposed to be easy.
Lots of people didn't buy them because they had too much power. 80+hp out of a 500 should be easy. They kept them down in the 60hp range, which is right where the modern 450 4t or 300 2t is sitting at.
A counter-balanced, electric start 500 with electric power valve and fuel injection would be killer. Would be easy enough to have a multi position map switch for 60-80+hp.
When I used to ride my old 96 husky 360 against the 10-12 450s at the track guys would be amazed that I'd always pull hole-shots. We were both running 60hp, but the 2t never has a dead stroke so it puts down twice as many power strokes per rpm.
Also why they don't need to rev to the moon like a modern 4t.