There is a wider context than this, including in the Quran. Read the following (starting with hadith qudsi first, then coming back to the Quran): Hadith qudsi mentioned in the video, which is number one hadith qudsi at that, can't go in the same sentence with the everlasting Hellfire! For more details on this subject, I humbly suggest reading a Google translate of a tafseer (which is in Bosnian in original), do read it carefully (it starts with 11:106-107-108, which is an even better example that 6:128 I've previously used, as it clearly refers to ALL inhabitants of Hellfire, plus the further explanation, plus more hadith): 'Well, those unfortunates (they) are in hell. They will scream and shout there. They will remain there forever as long as the heavens and the earth last, except your Lord will. Indeed, your Lord does what He wills ”(11: 107-108). This verse emphasizes that the punishment of hell is not eternal. If we compare this last verse with the verse that follows it, then this side becomes even clearer: »> And those who are happy, they are in paradise where they will abide forever, as long as the heavens and the earth last, except your Lord wills. (This is) a gift that cannot be broken ”(11: 109). The expressions in both of these verses are the same. Both the inhabitants of heaven and the inhabitants of hell will remain in their abodes while the heavens and the earth last. One exception is then added to both of these verses. At the end of the verse, it is said that any doubt that one will come out of heaven is removed and that it is a gift that is not interrupted, and when one speaks of hell, it is finally said: "Indeed, your Lord does what He wills." This is also proved by the hadiths of the Prophet of God. One hadith in Sahih-Muslim says: “Almighty God will allow angels, prophets and the orthodox to seek intercession for sinners from Him. Finally, the Most Merciful will remain to share forgiveness, and only a handful of people will come out of hellfire who have never done any good in their lives. And "Sahihi - Bukhari" brings a hadith in which it is said that sinners will be thrown into the "River of Life" when they are taken out of hell. This throwing of sinners into the River of Life emphasizes that they will come to a state that is worthy of a higher life. "Kènzu-ámāl" recorded these hadiths: "There will come a time when hell will be inhabited, and later it will resemble a dried wheat stubble." "> One day will come, so no man will remain in hell." The words of Hadhrat-Umar were also recorded by women: "The inhabitants of hell will be as innumerable as the desert sand, but the time will come and everyone will come out of it."
@@alas2dust I have literally given you a hadeeth Qudsi with reference from Muslim 184, and you keep saying Hadeeth Qudsi Number 1. There is no book called Hadeeth Qudsi, it's just a term to mean a hadeeth in the Sahihayn from spoken words of Allah. So please use the correct reference like I have. Next, the verse in 11:106 talks about those who are Shaqoo, meaning wretched. Define what wretched means for me? Does wretched necessarily mean just unbelievers or everyone? Can people of tawheed also be wretched people? You are ascribing interpretations to Allah without knowledge. Those who are wretched can be both disbelievers and people with a grain of tawheed, thats why its up to Allah if he Wills that they be there eternally or not. Ibn Kathir mentions that when the verse mentions "as long as the heavens and earth endure". it is an Arabic phrase to mean eternity. Ibn Kathir also states that when it says except for Allah wills is in reference to those who are the disobedient people of tawheed. Hasan al Basri says that it could also mean that there will be a new heaven and earth in the New Creation, and everything will be eternal so when it says "as long as heaven and earth endure" could mean eternity. In regards to 11:108, the verse says "a never ending reward at the end" meaning heaven will be eternal, as long as Allah wills. The use of "as long as Allah wills" in the context of heaven is so we dont assume we will get heaven and to keep us on our toes in this life and could also be referring to the Disobedient of the People of Tawheed who will come to heaven. Allahualim. Either way, none of Surah 11 proves that heaven or hell is temporary for all. I'm sorry bro! You then cite a hadeeth that literally says "only a handful will be taken out"...these are people worthy of intercession. So what about the rest, brother? They stay for eternity! Please give reference of these hadeeth about inhabitants of hell eventually leaving? Especially the alleged Mawqoof hadeeth with Umar ibn Khattab, because I have never seen or heard of these? Kenzu Amal?! What is that? Do you have any authentic hadeeth with reference? You can't just say "a hadeeth says so and so...". If you can't give me a reference then I suggest you remove the comment until you do. And until you do I can't accept your opinion ya akhi! I need evidence with reference! Barakallu feekum
This is Islam for you. We love Ibn Taymiyyah so much but he is a human being and can make mistakes! May Allah forgive his shortcomings and admit him in His eternal paradise!
@Orient Express Is Ibn Arabi a famous known in the west? That's strange because we Muslims who live in the Muslim world that person Ibn Arabi has not the same fame here (in the Muslim world) and we considered him a non Muslim as many Muslim scholars says through history, so keep talking about that person and comparing him to Ibn Tayyimiah shows that there something wrong!
@Orient Express there's an ibn Arabi that is on hardcore sufism that says Allah is everywhere like the pagans and other nonsense stuff, many scholars said his shirk was beyond that of firaun awuthubillah!
Also I once heard that if Allah would have given the unbelievers and wrong-doers eternal life, they would have eternally be unbelievers and wrong doers, therefore it's only just for them to burn in hell forever. However God Knows All.
This argument is non sense. If that's the case then why not put them in hell fire as soon as they reach puberty since they won't be believing in Allah. And also what about putting the muslim dictators in hellfire forever since they would continue to murder if they had eternal life.
Does this make any sense ? If ALLAH SWT would have given eternal life on earth to believers, it is possible that even they may turn to disbelievers ❗ Where's the justice ?
@ALJ1HAD No whoever died as a believer, they would have been living as believers forever that's why Allah took their souls as believer's. You're assuming wrong and that's bad opinion about Allah and major kufr you just apostated from Islam if you already were a muslim to begin with. Allah is the Most Just.
I don't know about this but I know one thing and that is our concept or understanding of time is limited to this life (Dunya) but the hereafter have totally different rules we can't comprehend with our limited minds, and I know that Allah is the most merciful and Allah mercy and forgiveness is unlimited, so arguing in this subject does not benefit anyone.
Brother Paul, a friendly recommendation. You are a seeker of knowledge and Allah has given you faculty to understand. I dont know if you havent already but have you considered reading the Quran via a tafsir of Great Scholars of the Classical age? There are many, but the one I recommend to start with is Ibn Kathir and there are free online translations of his great work. These scholars have memorised the Quran, many many hadeeth, and understanding of previous scholars who all if not most agree on their status amongst the people of knowledge, all with the understanding of the Arabic language. With these tools and skills that me and you dont have, he explains, verse by verse, the understanding of the Quran drawing on all of that they have learned. He discusses the difference of opinion as well, and suggests what he believes to be the best understanding of a word or a part a verse. It is fascinating and has completely made me look at the Quran in a way more effective and Truthful way. Give it a go, ibn Kathir's tafsir is fairly concise yet detailed and enjoyable for the reader, and recommended for beginners. There are other tafsir like of Imam At-Tabari which is voluminous and the best, so is for advanced students of knowledge. However Ibn Kathir cites many of the other older tafsir works as well.
@@BloggingTheology “And those who strive in Our (cause), - We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right” [Quran, 29:69].
@@BloggingTheology I came to confirm, Don't get me wrong your academic videos are fascinating. But there will always be a great difference between a cold academic non believer thesis and the product of Muslim scholars dedicated their lives just to understand what Allah meant with his sacred message starting from the baes that it is the ultimate truth of Allah and the wisdom of his prophet PBUH.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 sorry, you don't have his teachings. You don't even know his name. Or his teachings. Or his views. Or his beliefs. But, we do, alhamdulillah.
@@ponderingspirit No, I have already spoken at length with John before and he does not want to understand. So it seems it is you who is speaking from ignorance...
Allah SWT mercy knows no boundaries and beyond what we human beings can understand. He may or may not put the unbelievers in hell fire forever or not at all at his own mercy.
A remarkably interesting and informative video! Such discussions and varying views are part of a long tradition of Muslim scholarship, and regardless of who is right or wrong, they are all to be appreciated. Thank you very much, Paul!
I didn't know Ibn Taymiyya until I met you. I have now to study his theological views, they sound amazing. Got to know more. What is eternity for us? For Allah? I see hope for me, for all. 👍🏽😘
﴿ وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوا لَوْ أَنَّ لَنَا كَرَّةً فَنَتَبَرَّأَ مِنْهُمْ كَمَا تَبَرَّءُوا مِنَّا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُرِيهِمُ اللَّهُ أَعْمَالَهُمْ حَسَرَاتٍ عَلَيْهِمْ ۖ وَمَا هُم بِخَارِجِينَ مِنَ النَّارِ﴾ Those who followed will say, "If only we had another turn [at worldly life] so we could disassociate ourselves from them as they have disassociated themselves from us." Thus will Allah show them their deeds as regrets upon them. And they are never to emerge from the Fire. [ سورة البقرة: 167]
Correction: this is Jon Hoover’s understanding of Ibn Taymiyyah’s view. There are literally Arabic speaking Muslim scholars who have been teaching, reading, studying, editing the books of Ibn Taymiyyah for years and don’t share this view of Jon Hoover.
Dr Israr Ahmed (Pakistan's most famous scholar) also believed that Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Arabi both believed that Hell is non-eternal. It's not just Jon Hoover If you know Urdu, here is the link: ruclips.net/video/2Jmy3cKsN58/видео.html
Well regarding tafsir, Hadith, and aqeedah Ibn Taymiyyah is among the least Orthodox scholars in the history of Islam. There are thousands of scholars who represent orthodoxy and Ibn Taymiyyah is the bottom of the list. He's probably the most extreme controversial figure in Islamic aqeedah The benefit Ibn Taymiyyah had for the ummah was in fiqh, Hanbali madhhab owes him a debt, but most of what he said about Quran Hadith and Aqeedah is wrong sometimes outright deviation bordering on disbelief and this is one example of that
His Aqidah was Al Wassitiyyah, and its taken from Quran with evidence from Sunnah, so i dont think that he was the deviated one. Its the other scholars who thought they are allowed to interpret meanings into Kalamullah without actual proof in Sunnah...that crushed our Ummah and ripped her apart
Quran also States somewhere that "Hell is worst place to be, even if it is for few moments". And one sahih-hadith that I heard today states The heat of the hellfire is 70 times stronger than fire on this earth. Only this should be sufficient warning for both believers & disbeliever to take Quran seriously, submits & obey Allah and to seek refuge from Hell Fire.
Only Allah know best...on judgement day everything will laid open in front of us...We will argue or take side but Allah hold the key..We will know when the time is set for us...Only Allah know best....
If i get into paradise nshallah, i dont want to have Stalin, george bush and few serial killers as neighbours...so for that reason according to this video i say Ibn taimya was wrong... at the end of the day , Ibn Taimya was a Great thinker , but only a human, may Allah grant him for his works ..many thanks Paul for this instructive Post. 🕋🕋🕋
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah laughs at two men, one of them killed the other, yet they both entered Paradise. This one fought in the way of Allah and was killed, then his killer repented and was also martyred.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2671, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1890
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 he is implying that hell i s temporary but he never said it out loudly and his belief is that Allah knows he argues that Allah didn't say that hell is forever or temporary
Many muslims are complacent/ lazy and procrastinate in the certainty that they as Muslims will not abide in Hell forever. I feel the descriptions of it are enough for us to be astute in our quest for heaven without account. InshaAllah.
I really liked ibn taymiya argument that chastisement is for cleansing of the soul therefore endless punishment makes no sense. Universal salvation could be a possibility 🙏
If that was true, then what is the purpose of this life here, and especially of being a muslim. In the end, it doesn't matter if you are muslim or not if universal salvation was at stake. Some sects of christians also hold this belief, Seventh day adventists for one. As seemingly comforting as it may seem, this belief will give confidence to non-muslims, for example, that they can remain as they are. Dangerous teaching... Rethink.
Agreed. It seems as if according to my thoughts that humans who attribute hell forever use it as a way of otherising other humans to eternal hell because they believe their life is wrong. But I believe Allah's mercy encompasses all beings, no matter how long hell is. I like to think of hell as almost like a hospital, those who are in it are very sick (from their misdeeds of this life) and suffering in order reform them in hell and eventually will be admitted to jannah. Although these are my thoughts, Allah knows best the reality.
I mean Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Taymiyyah might have this view but the vast majority of scholars in Islam believe that hellfire is forever and obviously certain individuals and groups of people will reside in hell forever. It’s still interesting to think about if hellfire will be forever or not but then *in my personal opinion* these types of views won’t benefit us anyway
Where is the justice of Allah swt when the wrongdoer who lived and committed sins only for several years in this world but to be punished forever in the hell on the other hands Allah swt himself says he is the most rahman, the most rahim and the most adl.
@@arifmantias8216 Who are you to judge Allah’s justice and mercy? If you think that’s not just then it’s your fault. I can also tell you how can someone swear at Allah day and night, slander him then go to heaven? Why? We are humans with limited knowledge and arguing these matters will never reach us to an appropriate conclusion. The Quran and Hadith clearly says that hellfire for non-believers is forever and that is a consensus of scholars. Even regarding Ibn Taymeyah and Ibn Al-Qayem there are scholars who said they meant a specific type of hell not the one for the non-believers. May Allah guide us🤍
@@arifmantias8216 Because Allah SWT IS most Just and Most Merciful, then know that no one will be punished unless they are deserving of it. You are not the one who created humanity and know best what is in their hearts - Allah does. The greatest crime and the only one Allah SWT will not forgive, is disbelief despite having received the message. Again, Allah has knowledge we don't know, so stop trying to pretend you know better. This lecture is long, but explains the rationale of hell in Islam and provides evidences: ruclips.net/video/1ve1dtkdybA/видео.html
@@arifmantias8216 if you’re transgressing against an infinite being, with infinite attributes and powers, then you shall be punished for an infinite amount of time, a punishment that befits the transgressed upon; very simple. Why give life imprisonment for murder?
Darkev What purpose is actually served by keeping a sinner in hell forever? You sure love the word 'infinite'. So is this god of yours infinitely cruel? The doctrine of reincarnation is a much fairer one, whereby we are punished by our sins and not for them.
Surah Al-Asr(3 ayat) Allah tells us that Mankind is in "loss"! Except... (1) By time, (2) Indeed, mankind is in loss, (3) Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience..
Actually Ibn Taymiyyah never argues for that; yes he does mention that opinion and further states the “strong” arguments supporting such a view, but he himself never claims that Hell vanishes or gets annihilated. In fact, he suggested the contrary (i.e., Hell *is* everlasting) in explicit terms, and he agreed upon the consensus of scholars in that regard. I can provide Arabic sources if anyone wants.
Paul has presented the case near Ibn Taymiah's death...so your proof might stand null and void. Ofcourse he would have said that wayy before his death.
@@AdamDylanMajor Abu Sa’id reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Death will be brought on the Day of Resurrection in the form of a white ram, and it will be made to stand between Paradise and Hellfire. It will be said to the people of Paradise: Do you recognize this? They will raise their heads, looking towards it, and they will say: Yes, it is death. Then, it will be said to the people of Hellfire: Do you recognize this? They will raise their heads, looking towards it, and they will say: Yes, it is death. Then, the command will be given to slaughter the ram and it will be said: O people of Paradise, there is everlasting life for you and no death! And it will be said: O people of Hellfire, there is everlasting life for you and no death!” Then, the Prophet recited the verse, “Warn them of this day of dismay, when their affairs will be decided, yet they are heedless and they do not have faith,” (19:39) and he pointed with his hand to the world. Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4730, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2849 Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يُجَاءُ بِالْمَوْتِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ كَأَنَّهُ كَبْشٌ أَمْلَحُ زَادَ أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ فَيُوقَفُ بَيْنَ الْجَنَّةِ وَالنَّارِ وَاتَّفَقَا فِي بَاقِي الْحَدِيثِ فَيُقَالُ يَا أَهْلَ الْجَنَّةِ هَلْ تَعْرِفُونَ هَذَا فَيَشْرَئِبُّونَ وَيَنْظُرُونَ وَيَقُولُونَ نَعَمْ هَذَا الْمَوْتُ قَالَ وَيُقَالُ يَا أَهْلَ النَّارِ هَلْ تَعْرِفُونَ هَذَا قَالَ فَيَشْرَئِبُّونَ وَيَنْظُرُونَ وَيَقُولُونَ نَعَمْ هَذَا الْمَوْتُ قَالَ فَيُؤْمَرُ بِهِ فَيُذْبَحُ قَالَ ثُمَّ يُقَالُ يَا أَهْلَ الْجَنَّةِ خُلُودٌ فَلَا مَوْتَ وَيَا أَهْلَ النَّارِ خُلُودٌ فَلَا مَوْتَ قَالَ ثُمَّ قَرَأَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَأَنْذِرْهُمْ يَوْمَ الْحَسْرَةِ إِذْ قُضِيَ الْأَمْرُ وَهُمْ فِي غَفْلَةٍ وَهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ وَأَشَارَ بِيَدِهِ إِلَى الدُّنْيَا 4730 صحيح البخاري كتاب تفسير القرآن سورة كهيعص باب قوله وأنذرهم يوم الحسرة 2849 صحيح مسلم كتاب الجنة وصفة نعيمها وأهلها باب النار يدخلها الجبارون والجنة يدخلها الضعفاء
"God does not elicit human praise and love out of need. Nothing can add to God's immeasurably greater praise and love of himself."... Nicely put :) may Allah swt reward you good brother for sharing these comments with us. Salam.
Do you think people bow down and pray out of their control ? They do it because they choose to do it. God, gave us options. One is salvation, the other is punishment. You are free to choose. It is not about afterlife only. If you deny, your worldly life also becomes empty, pointless, miserable, lacking spirit, lacking the essence... Again.. you are free to choose. Salam/Peace.
@@asad-kc8zf and if I don’t I get burned in hell? That’s not a choice dude. It’s like saying if a robber points a gun at you and says “you’re money or you’re life” and you don’t give him the money, you CHOSE to get shot. The entire binary choice is ridiculous. Try harder then this
@@orangesoul4289 But you're still not forced to abide these "binary choices" you have free will to choose. No one is forcing me to pray and no one is forcing you to pray either. Its a difference of acknowledging our creator you still have choice and free will. Look at the world even those who acknowledge don't take action in practice yet no one forces them to change their life.
Makes sense if you change the entire meaning of the word ‘forever’ All I know is that He is not unjust. As for matters of afterlife, all we need to know is that hellfire is a terrible abode and that we should avoid it by all means. While debating technicalities people tend to miss the bigger picture. ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا لَن تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلَّا أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ وَغَرَّهُمْ فِي دِينِهِم مَّا كَانُوا يَفْتَرُونَ That is because they used to say, "The fire will most certainly not touch us for more than a limited number of days":
It seems thar many have missed the point.. Look how ibn Taymiyah rahemtullah thought of his lord.. Full of mercy, that could and is encompassating everything.. MashAllah.. right or wrong our lord is how we think of him. May Allah have mercy on all of us, and may the shefat of profet Muhammed s.a.w.s encompassate all the human race who had mercy in their hearts and may we all go to jannah with our loved ones 🤲🤲 Amin
Everybody will wake up in the hell So Allah says we will come and save believers and ppl we wished. So who are they that Allah wished to save. Or do Allah has to save disbelievers from hellfire. My opinion is Allah will save everybody from hellfire
I'm sure that whatever happens to those souls in the hereafter, Allah SWT chose those words for the Quran, because if He stated otherwise, like entering paradise after cleansing the soul of its wrongdoings, unbelievers would have much less motivation to become believers. Allah uses fear and agony to warn us, putting it more softly would never have the same effect on human beings
I can't see how the idea that God will punnish someone infinately does not contradict His Divines names and attributes of mercy and forgiveness. Parents threaten their own misbehaving kids with punnishment, out of love and no real intention to actually punnish them; so I could see why threats of eternal Hell might just be that - a threat- which won't actually be carried out. I think if God just threatened people with a certain amount of time in Hell, they just wouldn't care.
{ لَّـٰبِثِینَ فِیهَاۤ أَحۡقَابࣰا } [Surah An-Nabaʾ: 23] They will dwell therein for ages I think through my humble knowledge, all people at the end are out of hell and that befits God's mercy. Allah knows best
With all my respect Ibn Taymmiya could be right and based on what Omar (ra) also said - I have been reviewing this subject for few years and reached the conclusion that hell fire will be extinguished
We humans got very limited thinking capacity comparing to the Creator , therefor we should not think instead of his Almighty ,,i can not imagine that the king of beauty , the king of mercy will keep hell for ever ,,,
Surah al bayyinah(The clear proof)98:6 Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings. - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
Another verse: 6:128 The day He will assemble all of them together, (Allah will say to Jinn) “O species of Jinns, you have done too much against mankind.” Their friends from among the human beings will say, “Our Lord, some of us have benefited from others, and we have reached our term that You had appointed for us.” He will say, “The Fire is your Abode wherein you will remain for ever, unless Allah wills (otherwise). Surely, your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing.”
Makes you think about oneself than judging anyone else. Judgement belongs to Allah only. We must strive to focus in being a believer and spread the mesaage as much as possible so that Allah does not hold this against us.
Despite all the hate ibn taymeyah gets, he’s the most moderate man, scholar in Islamic history. For example, Most people assume that if you divorce your wife out of anger, then it’s an official divorce however, ibn taymeyah says otherwise. Also, relating yesterday’s video, prophet Muhammad sall allahu alayhe wa sallm said “Allah created Adam in his own image” ibn taymeyah says yes, Allah sees all so Allah bestowed us with eyes, sight etc.
Daud fasting and seek benefit knowledge to increase our faith is the best way to make our desire weak. I hope Allah always guide us to the straight path, forgive our sins and make us khusnul khotimah (good ending)
Allah's judgement is supreme not man nor the highiest in wisdom. 4:169 Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path, except that of Hell, to stay there for ever and ever. And that is easy for Allah.
Indeed, Ibn Tymiyah was wrong regarding Hellfire annellation. Without a shadow of a doubt, the consensus of the first three generations is upon the eternal dwelling of the non-believers in Hellfire. It is enough to read in the Quran an explicate Aayah affirming the correct Islamic creed regarding the everlasting chastisement of the Kuffar where Allah clearly says: {And so Allah will make them (the disbelievers) remorseful of their misdeeds. And they will never ˹be able to˺ leave the Fire} Al-Baqarah, 167. {كذلك يريهم الله أعمالهم حسرات عليهم وما هم بخارجين من النار} البقرة، 167
@@zorbatv5119 Assuming Ibn Taiymiyah said that; let us establish one of the most important Islamic principles ever: When dealing with scholar(s) whose opinion opposes the clear evidence, one is represented with two options (with no possible third); either reject the scholar(s)' opinion and follow the evidence, or follow their opinion and reject the evidence; assuming Islamic identity, sanity and the non-existence of a sward on one's neck the choice is clear.
I am conflicted on the matter but I really like your approach to the issue as a theological exercise. Many take it really strictly and make a "life or death" matter or worse (a hell or heaven one). When it's just a viable opinion that pretty much could be true. And it has little effects on a person who cares about (a believer) then why worry so much about it.
We are familiar with two words in The Qur’an . “ chastisement “ , “ permanent Chastisement “. Where solo chastisement is mentioned there we don’t know what will happen to them after . Allah ( SWT ) knows the best . About permanent chastisement it is final. “ No man can change the words of Allah “- The Qur’an. Nothing can be added to The Qur’an or subtracted from The Qur’an , not even a notion .
That is not his view, what makes the person think ibn taymiyyah holds it, is the fact that whenever he brings the evidences of his opponents he represents and explains them with great integrity, to the point that you might assume he is advocating for them, and in this case there is no exception, he brought the two views without doing "tarjeeh" or choosing between them, however in another book called "naqd maratib al-ijmaa" which is a critique of ibn hazm's book, when he reached the issue of eternity of hell, ibn hazam reported consensus on it and ibn taymiyyah agreed on that, and this clarifies his position, another factor that helps us understand more is the fact that his brilliant student ibn al-qayyim, has an opinion on the matter too, and he differentates between the hell that would be for disbelievers, and the hell that would be for believers who committed major sins, as we all know, all believers would eventually get out of hell, and ibn Qayyim says they were not with the disbelievers in their hell fire, therefore when the punishment is lifted upon them and they get out from hell to heaven, that hell in which the believers were in would vanish and has an end, because there is nobody in it anymore, but as for the hell that the disbelievers are in, it would not vanish for eternity because the disbelievers' punishment is to suffer in it for ever, and upon this there is consensus. And Allah knows best
The best part of this video is the comment by brother Paul Williams starting at 10:05, explaining how Islam is not restricted to one scholar's understanding. Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) indeed made ijtihad and he couldn't arrive at the correct understanding. This however doesn't make him a kafir or a fasiq. Scholars discuss this in detail and disagrees with him beautifully, saying he did ijthihad and erred so he will be rewarded once. That's the beauty of Islam. I would recommend Brother Paul to sometimes discuss these issues from point of view of Muslim scholars, where we can both benefit from their knowledge and also their etiquettes of disagreeing in matters like these. For example, this very issue can be studied from a Muslim scholars perspective from Prof. Umar Sulaiman al-Ashqar's the Islamic Creed series (Vol:7).
Initial divine act of bringing the universe into existence from non existence was an act of infinite divine mercy. We as created beings can hope and only pray that it prevails….. eternally. Peace.
(And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?") Quran 2 :80 The idea of purification for a period of time is invented by the Jews and Allah refuted them in this verse
There is purification by the fire but thats for believers, it's been mentioned many times in hadiths. Allah refuted the jews specificly because they were given the final message but still disbelieved and think that they can be purified and then taken out and granted paradise.
@@rustyray420 yes brother I was responding to the idea mentioned in the video that the disbelievers won’t stay in the hellfire forever I know that there’s a purification for some of the believers
A Very Interesting topic this, the Hell Fire most likely is Eternal however not all of the residents of Hell Fire will abide in it forever. There was a Hadith in Bukhari which goes like this "When people of Heaven will enter Heaven and people of Hellfire will enter Hell, Allah will order the people who had mustard seed of Imaan(faith) to be TAKEN OUT of Hellfire" however people who committed Shirk (Shaytan, Pharaoh..etc) will remain in Hell forever as Qur'an quotes "They will abide theirin Forever" . And Allah Knows best 💖
Salaams from South Africa 🇿🇦 … very interesting … a question often asked … kitaab ul imaan is also a interesting book 📕 to read by ibn taymia translation by shadia tel … please do a review of it if possible Paul… thank you 🙏
Ibn taymiaa is talking about sinful Muslims who will stay temporary in the JAHANNAM to get their souls clean and by the mercy of ALLAH swt they will be granted Jannah forever. The shayatin and the infidels will enjoy the torment of the JAHANNAM forever. I say enjoy because life in JAHANNAM is the fruit of their seeds in this life. Please correct me if you think im wrong. Alhamdulilah rabil alemine.
Authority in Islam is Quran or Ibn Taymiyyah? *And in that [hell] they will cry aloud: “O our Sustainer! Cause us to come out [of this suffering]! We shall [henceforth] do good deeds, not such as we were wont to do [aforetime]!” [But We shall answer:] “Did We not grant you a life long enough so that whoever was willing to take thought could bethink himself? And [withal,] a warner had come unto you! Taste, then, [the fruit of your evil deeds]: for evildoers shall have none to succour them!” (Asad)*
I think Joh Hoover made a mistake here قال شيخ الإسلام الإمام ابن تيمية في كتابه درء تعارض العقل والنقل: «وقال أهل الإسلام جميعاً: ليس للجنة والنار آخر، وإنهما لا تزالان باقيتين، وكذلك أهل الجنة لا يزالون في الجنة يتنعمون، وأهل النار في النار يعذبون، ليس لذلك آخر.»، وقال في بيان تلبيس الجهمية: «وقد اتفق سلف الأمة وأئمتها وسائر أهل السنة والجماعة على أن من المخلوقات ما لا يعدم ولا ينفى بالكلية، كالجنة والنار والعرش.»
Truth should be Simple, However here It is interesting to see how winding and complicated the language and explanation are, just to persuade one to disbelieve the truth which is right in front of your eyes, and to justify that "black is not really black but it is white"
Paul,. Thanks for bringing up the subject. However, the discussion of the subject may be lacking of a base in terms ofthe definition of the term "forever" in a time dimensiin you cannot argue about forever where there is no time.... what is forever if there is no time dimensiin? We need to establish the definition of time for hereafter. .best wishes.
@Yassin Zao if time did not exist before, then the time was created by Allah. We know from quran that Allah does not have beginning.if something has a beginning then there is an end too. Physics also says that. See entropy principles....so if you say forever but you dont know the dimension of forever you dont know the ,"forever" in physical world... the terms are very long to explain... sorry if i make mistakes....
The saying of the Imam of Al-Ittihadiya, Ibn Arabi Al-Ta’i, that he claimed that its people are tormented during it for a while, then their natures turn fiery and they enjoy fire because it agrees with their natures.
اقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ هَمَّامٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، رضى الله عنه قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " تَحَاجَّتِ الْجَنَّةُ وَالنَّارُ فَقَالَتِ النَّارُ أُوثِرْتُ بِالْمُتَكَبِّرِينَ وَالْمُتَجَبِّرِينَ. وَقَالَتِ الْجَنَّةُ مَا لِي لاَ يَدْخُلُنِي إِلاَّ ضُعَفَاءُ النَّاسِ وَسَقَطُهُمْ. قَالَ اللَّهُ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى لِلْجَنَّةِ أَنْتِ رَحْمَتِي أَرْحَمُ بِكِ مَنْ أَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِي. وَقَالَ لِلنَّارِ إِنَّمَا أَنْتِ عَذَابٌ أُعَذِّبُ بِكِ مَنْ أَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِي. وَلِكُلِّ وَاحِدَةٍ مِنْهُمَا مِلْؤُهَا، فَأَمَّا النَّارُ فَلاَ تَمْتَلِئُ حَتَّى يَضَعَ رِجْلَهُ فَتَقُولُ قَطٍ قَطٍ قَطٍ. فَهُنَالِكَ تَمْتَلِئُ وَيُزْوَى بَعْضُهَا إِلَى بَعْضٍ، وَلاَ يَظْلِمُ اللَّهُ ـ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ ـ مِنْ خَلْقِهِ أَحَدًا، وَأَمَّا الْجَنَّةُ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ يُنْشِئُ لَهَا خَلْقًا ". Arabic ▼ No TashkeelTransl. ► Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, "I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.' Paradise said, 'What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?' On that, Allah said to Paradise. 'You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.' Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, 'You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.' As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, 'Qati! Qati!' At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise, Allah will create a new creation to fill it with." Chain(0) ►  'Abdullah bin Muhammad al-Musandi --» 'Abdur-Razzaq --» Ma'mar bin Rashid --» Hamam bin Munabbih --» Abu Hurairah 
Ibn Taymiyah habitually states all other scholar's/sect's openions when discussing issues and some of the unfair inventionests who disagree with him on other subjects hastely attribute these opinions to him. He also usually apologizes for the opinions of people he disagrees with them and some people think or rather wish that he agrees with that. And his rivals typically have good faith in the atheist Ibn Arabi and apologize for him while they have bad faith in the salfi Ibn Taymyiah and condemn him.
Why get an opinion when we have a definitive statement from Allah Himself? : 33:63 People ask you about the Hour. Say, "The knowledge of the Hour is with God alone. Yet for your purposes, the Hour may be near." 33:64 Surely, God rejects those who reject the truth, and has readied for them a Blazing Fire. 33:65 Therein to abide forever, they will find then no patron nor helper.
Yes they will be there forever, Allah mighty has made it clear in many verse. When the decision clearly mentioned then no need explanation acceptable from any Imam. This is the final
@Syed Rafsan Imam why can't we understand? do you think Quran is a riddle and we have no wisdom to understand ? What are you talking man use your brain plz
Sir,whether un-believers or believers after death will remain for ever in hell-fire or heavenly-roses is a matter of conjecture.The fact is if buried their bodies will decompose and turn into dirt and possibly a skeleton till the day of judgement. As for their souls that is another matter.
You have to complete the whole hadith to get the full meaning. The hadith says that Everyone is gonna enter paradise except those ones who gonna refuse(So if you disbelieve in the message he brought, of-course you don't wanna enter paradise.)
@@nicolaskenny6813 true, if you refuse the message there is a punishment, after the punishment there is an ease because Allah is Most Merciful Oft-Forgiving
Alhamdulillah Berkah Allah Selalu Melimpah Ruah.. Terima Kasih Ya Allah semua Nikmat Hidup Ini... Mari kita sejenak menyempatkan diri untuk membaca dzikir ringan ini. Subhanallah 3x Alhamdulillah 3x Laillaha illallah 3x Allahu Akbar 3x Laa Ilaha Illallah Wahdahu Laa Syarika Lah Lahul Mulku Wa Lahul Hamdu Wa Huwa 'Ala Kulli Syai'in Qodir 3x Allahumma shali ala Muhammad.. 3x Dan Segala Puji Bagi Allah Yang Maha Hidup dan Yang Maha Menghidupkan, Kokohkan Ajaran Tauhid di setiap sendi kehidupan Wahai Saudara Saudaraku.. Semoga Kita Di Ampuni Allah dan di masukan Ke SurgaNya... Amin.
I don't think Ibn Taymiyya believes that all people of hellfire will eventually enter paradise - Rather, he believes that they would be disintegreated out of existence. I recommend you check out the 'The Descriptions of Jahannam #8: The Eternality of Heaven & Hell (& Ibn Taymiyyah’s Views)' video by 'Yasir Qadhi'.
Imam Ibn Taymiyyah was the one who claimed the consencus: وقال رحمه الله أيضاً في كتابه: بيان تلبيس الجهمية: وقد اتفق سلف الأمة وأئمتها وسائر أهل السنة والجماعة على أن من المخلوقات ما لا يعدم ولا يفنى بالكلية، كالجنة والنار والعرش وغير ذلك، ولم يقل بفناء جميع المخلوقات إلا طائفة من أهل الكلام المبتدعين، كالجهم بن صفوان ومن وافقه من المعتزلة ونحوهم، وهذا قول باطل يخالف كتاب الله وسنة رسوله وإجماع سلف الأمة وأئمتها
وَمَن یَعۡصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَیَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَهُۥ یُدۡخِلۡهُ نَارًا خَـٰلِدࣰا فِیهَا وَلَهُۥ عَذَابࣱ مُّهِینࣱ ﴿ ١٤ ﴾ • Sahih International: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - *He will put him into the Fire to abide eternally* therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment. (14) An-Nisa', Ayah 14
Brother Paul ur conclusion at the end of the video is absolutely correct. Ibn Taymiyya didn't sound like a true believer as if he was giving some sort false hope so that one day every unbeliever will enter Paradise after spending certain time in hellfire which is not true as per the teachings of Islam and according the messages of Allah in Quran only believers will enter Paradish whereas those unbelieved will abide in hell forever. Only those believers who has committed major sins will spend certain time in hell to cleanse their sins but they will surely enter Paradise after being purified but there is no chance at all for unbelievers. And Mercy of Allah is very important for entering Paradise but God's mercy will exempt unbelievers on Day of Judgement. So only believers will fall under the mercy of Allah. Our decision to believe in Allah is like a key to Paradise and those who disbelieve will be locked in hell forever .
Allah has promised many things in Al Quran and directly afterwards says .. 'and Allah does not go back on His promise' The Ultimate 'Judge' and the 'Just' also being 2 of His 99 attributes/characteristics.
Adding another opinion in the mix, forgive me if already mentioned. There are some that will remain in the hellfire forever but that doesn't necessarily mean the punishmet, or pain, will be forever.
Paul, on your channel, and I’m pretty sure other Muslim channels, this Christian group is putting an add of Christians who converted from Islam, and defaming Islam. Things like portraying Allah SWT as always wanting to punish and there being no forgiveness, when I’m pretty sure it’s a sin to be hopeless of the mercy of Allah SWT. We should stop these guys from putting adds here.
One thing is true: the only one who never commited mistakes in religion was Prophet Muhammad swalallahu ãlaihi wassallam... Outside him everyone commited mistakes in religious affairs, the tabi'in, the atba tabi'in, the classical scholars, the modern scholars, even the sahabah.... So Ibn Taymiyah is not a exception
@@adibrayyan1909 I'm talking about the time from prophethood of Muhammad swalla Allaahu ãlaihi wassallam till this days. And the prophets that Allaah sent were more than 24, some say that were 124.000. But only Allaah knows the exact number
@Sadique Not the whole tribe but the ones that didn't keep loyal to the treaty and betrayed in the middle of a war. But prophets do mistakes that aren't intentional and aren't sins. But they are corrected by God. (Example Surah Abasa) (Prophet Yunus (Jonah) As far as I know, God knows best.
The Prophet (PBUH) was not infallible nor was he omniscient, he was only infallible in transmission in scripture. The Prophet (PBUH) made some mistakes, as seen in hadiths, The Prophet (PBUH) had cursed at times but after revelation was revealed to not curse, he’d never done it again.
Al Quran 4:116. Verily! Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far away.
I have heard this view before. Some people interpret ‘eternal/forever’ as dwelling in the hellfire for ‘ages’. It is difficult to imagine that Allah swt would punish people for infinity. It maybe that disbelievers stay in hellfire but that the fire is extinguished at some point. However perhaps no disbeliever will ever enter paradise. The dwellers of hell may well be content enough with that. Allah swt knows best and his judgement is always merciful and just. Why risk even a moment in hellfire.
Seems like you doubt what ALLAH swt has revealed in the Holy Quran. ALLAH swt is giving people free will and they choose to disobey for all their life. ALLAH swt says you remember me and I remember you. You dont know me I dont know you. ALLAH swt is keeping his promise with the disbelievers as he is keeping his promise with the believers. ALLAH swt is always just. People are not always looking for real justice .
@@LK-dm7kx I take offence at you saying that I doubt what Allah swt has revealed in the Quran and I knew it wouldn’t be long till I received a comment along those lines. First, have you watched the video and what Ibn Taymiyyah said? If you did and it is true that Ibn Taymiyyah did say that then on what grounds would Ibn Taymiyyah have said what he did? I have read translations saying the unbelievers will be in hell ‘therein ages’ or to that effect, the same is translated as eternal by other commentators. It is plausible that being burned alive for eternity may not be the case. That hell wont be a burning pit forever but the place known as hell remains. I finished off my comment by saying Allah swt knows best. My comment is in reference to this video and the opinion of the great scholar Ibn Taymiyyah. A carte blanche ‘Hell is forever because it says so in the Quran’ is not debating the point in the video.
The hypocrites and the irony is: his biggest fans/followers (from KSA to the West etc), NEVER will accept this view. They are hardliners and they love hell themselves (the hanbalis, the wahabis, extremists etc). They always love ''shaykh ul Islam'', but about hell to stop eventually, nope, they will ignore this. Everything Ibn Taymiyyah said is seen as right, but not this subject. The hypocrites are shut down. Great video btw!
I remembered, I read a hadith before, I'll need time to find it, but it hinted to the fact that unbelievers burning in hell for eternity/forever doesn't exclude the fact that hell is eternal. Hellfire could also seize to exist. But in all honesty I don't even think that hadith was explicit
In an examination hall, if few candidates are not willing to handover their answer sheets to the invigilator then how can they expected success even they 100% answers correctly?
Surah 5, Verse states clearly that there is no way out of hell for disbelievers. Surah 6, verses 28 indicated that if the disbelievers were given a second chance, they would repeat their first deeds. If Ibn Teymiya said this, then he was wrong. Sorry to say that but this is beyond doubt and stated in many verses in the Quran while no single verse even implicitly points in the opposite direction.
The people are of variances.. some are Doubters... Others are Agnostics...some are atheistic... Others are atheistic but violent towards the Believers.... Others are idolaters... Those who disbelieve but go onto bar others from Allah are the rebellious towards Allah Himself
*“They will be desperate to get out of the Fire but they will never be able to.”*
- (Qur’an 5:37)
Correction brother, it is verse 37 of sura 5.
@@saifklee178 Sah! Masha'Allah
There is a wider context than this, including in the Quran. Read the following (starting with hadith qudsi first, then coming back to the Quran):
Hadith qudsi mentioned in the video, which is number one hadith qudsi at that, can't go in the same sentence with the everlasting Hellfire! For more details on this subject, I humbly suggest reading a Google translate of a tafseer (which is in Bosnian in original), do read it carefully (it starts with 11:106-107-108, which is an even better example that 6:128 I've previously used, as it clearly refers to ALL inhabitants of Hellfire, plus the further explanation, plus more hadith):
'Well, those unfortunates (they) are in hell. They will scream and shout there. They will remain there forever as long as the heavens and the earth last, except your Lord will. Indeed, your Lord does what He wills ”(11: 107-108). This verse emphasizes that the punishment of hell is not eternal. If we compare this last verse with the verse that follows it, then this side becomes even clearer: »> And those who are happy, they are in paradise where they will abide forever, as long as the heavens and the earth last, except your Lord wills. (This is) a gift that cannot be broken ”(11: 109). The expressions in both of these verses are the same. Both the inhabitants of heaven and the inhabitants of hell will remain in their abodes while the heavens and the earth last. One exception is then added to both of these verses. At the end of the verse, it is said that any doubt that one will come out of heaven is removed and that it is a gift that is not interrupted, and when one speaks of hell, it is finally said: "Indeed, your Lord does what He wills." This is also proved by the hadiths of the Prophet of God. One hadith in Sahih-Muslim says: “Almighty God will allow angels, prophets and the orthodox to seek intercession for sinners from Him. Finally, the Most Merciful will remain to share forgiveness, and only a handful of people will come out of hellfire who have never done any good in their lives. And "Sahihi - Bukhari" brings a hadith in which it is said that sinners will be thrown into the "River of Life" when they are taken out of hell. This throwing of sinners into the River of Life emphasizes that they will come to a state that is worthy of a higher life. "Kènzu-ámāl" recorded these hadiths: "There will come a time when hell will be inhabited, and later it will resemble a dried wheat stubble." "> One day will come, so no man will remain in hell." The words of Hadhrat-Umar were also recorded by women: "The inhabitants of hell will be as innumerable as the desert sand, but the time will come and everyone will come out of it."
@@alas2dust I have literally given you a hadeeth Qudsi with reference from Muslim 184, and you keep saying Hadeeth Qudsi Number 1. There is no book called Hadeeth Qudsi, it's just a term to mean a hadeeth in the Sahihayn from spoken words of Allah. So please use the correct reference like I have.
Next, the verse in 11:106 talks about those who are Shaqoo, meaning wretched. Define what wretched means for me? Does wretched necessarily mean just unbelievers or everyone? Can people of tawheed also be wretched people? You are ascribing interpretations to Allah without knowledge. Those who are wretched can be both disbelievers and people with a grain of tawheed, thats why its up to Allah if he Wills that they be there eternally or not.
Ibn Kathir mentions that when the verse mentions "as long as the heavens and earth endure". it is an Arabic phrase to mean eternity. Ibn Kathir also states that when it says except for Allah wills is in reference to those who are the disobedient people of tawheed.
Hasan al Basri says that it could also mean that there will be a new heaven and earth in the New Creation, and everything will be eternal so when it says "as long as heaven and earth endure" could mean eternity.
In regards to 11:108, the verse says "a never ending reward at the end" meaning heaven will be eternal, as long as Allah wills. The use of "as long as Allah wills" in the context of heaven is so we dont assume we will get heaven and to keep us on our toes in this life and could also be referring to the Disobedient of the People of Tawheed who will come to heaven. Allahualim. Either way, none of Surah 11 proves that heaven or hell is temporary for all. I'm sorry bro!
You then cite a hadeeth that literally says "only a handful will be taken out"...these are people worthy of intercession. So what about the rest, brother? They stay for eternity!
Please give reference of these hadeeth about inhabitants of hell eventually leaving? Especially the alleged Mawqoof hadeeth with Umar ibn Khattab, because I have never seen or heard of these? Kenzu Amal?! What is that? Do you have any authentic hadeeth with reference? You can't just say "a hadeeth says so and so...". If you can't give me a reference then I suggest you remove the comment until you do. And until you do I can't accept your opinion ya akhi! I need evidence with reference! Barakallu feekum
@@alas2dust sorry bro but I have to also copy and paste my response. I think you're misleading people into irja
This is Islam for you. We love Ibn Taymiyyah so much but he is a human being and can make mistakes! May Allah forgive his shortcomings and admit him in His eternal paradise!
Ameen!
Ameen
@Orient Express
Is Ibn Arabi a famous known in the west? That's strange because we Muslims who live in the Muslim world that person Ibn Arabi has not the same fame here (in the Muslim world) and we considered him a non Muslim as many Muslim scholars says through history, so keep talking about that person and comparing him to Ibn Tayyimiah shows that there something wrong!
Imam ibna Taymia is most controversial and disputed among the other Imamas
@Orient Express there's an ibn Arabi that is on hardcore sufism that says Allah is everywhere like the pagans and other nonsense stuff, many scholars said his shirk was beyond that of firaun awuthubillah!
Also I once heard that if Allah would have given the unbelievers and wrong-doers eternal life, they would have eternally be unbelievers and wrong doers, therefore it's only just for them to burn in hell forever. However God Knows All.
This argument is non sense. If that's the case then why not put them in hell fire as soon as they reach puberty since they won't be believing in Allah. And also what about putting the muslim dictators in hellfire forever since they would continue to murder if they had eternal life.
Does this make any sense ?
If ALLAH SWT would have given eternal life on earth to believers, it is possible that even they may turn to disbelievers ❗
Where's the justice ?
More like false prophets made false predictions and theories in order to keep their followers following them
@@ALJ1HADthat's your assumption mate
@ALJ1HAD No whoever died as a believer, they would have been living as believers forever that's why Allah took their souls as believer's. You're assuming wrong and that's bad opinion about Allah and major kufr you just apostated from Islam if you already were a muslim to begin with. Allah is the Most Just.
I don't know about this but I know one thing and that is our concept or understanding of time is limited to this life (Dunya) but the hereafter have totally different rules we can't comprehend with our limited minds, and I know that Allah is the most merciful and Allah mercy and forgiveness is unlimited, so arguing in this subject does not benefit anyone.
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Not just enjoyable, Paul, but very useful. Even better with all the input of you-tubers. Thanks to all of you!
Brother Paul, a friendly recommendation. You are a seeker of knowledge and Allah has given you faculty to understand. I dont know if you havent already but have you considered reading the Quran via a tafsir of Great Scholars of the Classical age? There are many, but the one I recommend to start with is Ibn Kathir and there are free online translations of his great work. These scholars have memorised the Quran, many many hadeeth, and understanding of previous scholars who all if not most agree on their status amongst the people of knowledge, all with the understanding of the Arabic language. With these tools and skills that me and you dont have, he explains, verse by verse, the understanding of the Quran drawing on all of that they have learned. He discusses the difference of opinion as well, and suggests what he believes to be the best understanding of a word or a part a verse. It is fascinating and has completely made me look at the Quran in a way more effective and Truthful way. Give it a go, ibn Kathir's tafsir is fairly concise yet detailed and enjoyable for the reader, and recommended for beginners. There are other tafsir like of Imam At-Tabari which is voluminous and the best, so is for advanced students of knowledge. However Ibn Kathir cites many of the other older tafsir works as well.
Thank you. An excellent idea!
@@BloggingTheology “And those who strive in Our (cause), - We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right” [Quran, 29:69].
@@BloggingTheology wa jazakallahu khayr brother Paul. May Allah guide all of us to what is true and pure. Ameen.
ibn kathir is great. رحمه الله
@@BloggingTheology I came to confirm, Don't get me wrong your academic videos are fascinating. But there will always be a great difference between a cold academic non believer thesis and the product of Muslim scholars dedicated their lives just to understand what Allah meant with his sacred message starting from the baes that it is the ultimate truth of Allah and the wisdom of his prophet PBUH.
Yes it will be eternal based on what Allah clearly says and that suffices for me.
I prefer to listen to the teachings of Jesus
@@johnbrzykcy3076 who cares? No offence.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 If that’s the case, you’d make a good Muslim.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 sorry, you don't have his teachings. You don't even know his name. Or his teachings. Or his views. Or his beliefs. But, we do, alhamdulillah.
@@ponderingspirit No, I have already spoken at length with John before and he does not want to understand. So it seems it is you who is speaking from ignorance...
Allah SWT mercy knows no boundaries and beyond what we human beings can understand. He may or may not put the unbelievers in hell fire forever or not at all at his own mercy.
A remarkably interesting and informative video! Such discussions and varying views are part of a long tradition of Muslim scholarship, and regardless of who is right or wrong, they are all to be appreciated. Thank you very much, Paul!
That's the beauty about this religion; if u introduce a new opinion, you'd better have some solid evidence even if u r Ibn Taimyya
I didn't know Ibn Taymiyya until I met you. I have now to study his theological views, they sound amazing. Got to know more.
What is eternity for us? For Allah?
I see hope for me, for all.
👍🏽😘
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yessssssssss.
جزاك الله كل خير
﴿ وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوا لَوْ أَنَّ لَنَا كَرَّةً فَنَتَبَرَّأَ مِنْهُمْ كَمَا تَبَرَّءُوا مِنَّا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُرِيهِمُ اللَّهُ أَعْمَالَهُمْ حَسَرَاتٍ عَلَيْهِمْ ۖ وَمَا هُم بِخَارِجِينَ مِنَ النَّارِ﴾
Those who followed will say, "If only we had another turn [at worldly life] so we could disassociate ourselves from them as they have disassociated themselves from us." Thus will Allah show them their deeds as regrets upon them. And they are never to emerge from the Fire.
[ سورة البقرة: 167]
Correction: this is Jon Hoover’s understanding of Ibn Taymiyyah’s view. There are literally Arabic speaking Muslim scholars who have been teaching, reading, studying, editing the books of Ibn Taymiyyah for years and don’t share this view of Jon Hoover.
BRUH
Yeah, we shouldn’t have complete dependence on one scholar’s interpretation of Ibn Taymiyya’s works.
Dr Israr Ahmed (Pakistan's most famous scholar) also believed that Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Arabi both believed that Hell is non-eternal.
It's not just Jon Hoover
If you know Urdu, here is the link: ruclips.net/video/2Jmy3cKsN58/видео.html
Ibn taymiyyah was a heretic
I never even heard of "Ibn Taymiyyah." I would much prefer to understand the teachings of Jesus.
nice channel brother.
Paul, keep going brother, Ibn Taymiyah work is fascinating, he connects the people back to the classical orthodox understanding of Islam.
Well regarding tafsir, Hadith, and aqeedah Ibn Taymiyyah is among the least Orthodox scholars in the history of Islam. There are thousands of scholars who represent orthodoxy and Ibn Taymiyyah is the bottom of the list. He's probably the most extreme controversial figure in Islamic aqeedah
The benefit Ibn Taymiyyah had for the ummah was in fiqh, Hanbali madhhab owes him a debt, but most of what he said about Quran Hadith and Aqeedah is wrong sometimes outright deviation bordering on disbelief and this is one example of that
@@Dylan-ge6dn Ive known him to take the authentic stance regarding hadith and aqeedah his stance was in line with the Sahaba
@@shuhelmiah7729 Dylan is correct
His Aqidah was Al Wassitiyyah, and its taken from Quran with evidence from Sunnah, so i dont think that he was the deviated one. Its the other scholars who thought they are allowed to interpret meanings into Kalamullah without actual proof in Sunnah...that crushed our Ummah and ripped her apart
@@Dylan-ge6dn Who would say is at the top of the list?
Quran also States somewhere that "Hell is worst place to be, even if it is for few moments".
And one sahih-hadith that I heard today states The heat of the hellfire is 70 times stronger than fire on this earth.
Only this should be sufficient warning for both believers & disbeliever to take Quran seriously, submits & obey Allah and to seek refuge from Hell Fire.
Only Allah know best...on judgement day everything will laid open in front of us...We will argue or take side but Allah hold the key..We will know when the time is set for us...Only Allah know best....
If i get into paradise nshallah, i dont want to have Stalin, george bush and few serial killers as neighbours...so for that reason according to this video i say Ibn taimya was wrong... at the end of the day , Ibn Taimya was a Great thinker , but only a human, may Allah grant him for his works ..many thanks Paul for this instructive Post. 🕋🕋🕋
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah laughs at two men, one of them killed the other, yet they both entered Paradise. This one fought in the way of Allah and was killed, then his killer repented and was also martyred.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2671, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1890
That's totally different thing, in the hadith both parties repented and embraced the right path. That's beautiful.
@@p_a_r_a_b_e_l_l_u_m_ The original comment is about a person not being comfortable being in paradise with someone like hitler.
I still haven't seen the quote Ibn Taymiyyah says its temporary!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 he is implying that hell i s temporary but he never said it out loudly and his belief is that Allah knows he argues that Allah didn't say that hell is forever or temporary
Thank for this
Video
One of my favourite topic Enjoyed it a lot👍
Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 times a day
Many muslims are complacent/ lazy and procrastinate in the certainty that they as Muslims will not abide in Hell forever. I feel the descriptions of it are enough for us to be astute in our quest for heaven without account. InshaAllah.
I really liked ibn taymiya argument that chastisement is for cleansing of the soul therefore endless punishment makes no sense. Universal salvation could be a possibility 🙏
If that was true, then what is the purpose of this life here, and especially of being a muslim. In the end, it doesn't matter if you are muslim or not if universal salvation was at stake. Some sects of christians also hold this belief, Seventh day adventists for one. As seemingly comforting as it may seem, this belief will give confidence to non-muslims, for example, that they can remain as they are. Dangerous teaching... Rethink.
Never ever because Allah is ever merciful and will forgive all sin’s of the mankind No doubt
Agreed. It seems as if according to my thoughts that humans who attribute hell forever use it as a way of otherising other humans to eternal hell because they believe their life is wrong. But I believe Allah's mercy encompasses all beings, no matter how long hell is. I like to think of hell as almost like a hospital, those who are in it are very sick (from their misdeeds of this life) and suffering in order reform them in hell and eventually will be admitted to jannah. Although these are my thoughts, Allah knows best the reality.
Would you forgive someone who does not recognize your existence and authority ? I believe the answer is self-evident.
I mean Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Taymiyyah might have this view but the vast majority of scholars in Islam believe that hellfire is forever and obviously certain individuals and groups of people will reside in hell forever. It’s still interesting to think about if hellfire will be forever or not but then *in my personal opinion* these types of views won’t benefit us anyway
Where is the justice of Allah swt when the wrongdoer who lived and committed sins only for several years in this world but to be punished forever in the hell on the other hands Allah swt himself says he is the most rahman, the most rahim and the most adl.
@@arifmantias8216 Who are you to judge Allah’s justice and mercy? If you think that’s not just then it’s your fault. I can also tell you how can someone swear at Allah day and night, slander him then go to heaven? Why?
We are humans with limited knowledge and arguing these matters will never reach us to an appropriate conclusion. The Quran and Hadith clearly says that hellfire for non-believers is forever and that is a consensus of scholars. Even regarding Ibn Taymeyah and Ibn Al-Qayem there are scholars who said they meant a specific type of hell not the one for the non-believers. May Allah guide us🤍
@@arifmantias8216 Because Allah SWT IS most Just and Most Merciful, then know that no one will be punished unless they are deserving of it. You are not the one who created humanity and know best what is in their hearts - Allah does.
The greatest crime and the only one Allah SWT will not forgive, is disbelief despite having received the message. Again, Allah has knowledge we don't know, so stop trying to pretend you know better.
This lecture is long, but explains the rationale of hell in Islam and provides evidences:
ruclips.net/video/1ve1dtkdybA/видео.html
@@arifmantias8216 if you’re transgressing against an infinite being, with infinite attributes and powers, then you shall be punished for an infinite amount of time, a punishment that befits the transgressed upon; very simple. Why give life imprisonment for murder?
Darkev What purpose is actually served by keeping a sinner in hell forever? You sure love the word 'infinite'. So is this god of yours infinitely cruel? The doctrine of reincarnation is a much fairer one, whereby we are punished by our sins and not for them.
Surah Al-Asr(3 ayat) Allah tells us that Mankind is in "loss"! Except...
(1) By time,
(2) Indeed, mankind is in loss,
(3) Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience..
If Allah told us with an Oath(verse 1), so why do we say that Unbelivers we get out of hell? this isnt loss!
Actually Ibn Taymiyyah never argues for that; yes he does mention that opinion and further states the “strong” arguments supporting such a view, but he himself never claims that Hell vanishes or gets annihilated. In fact, he suggested the contrary (i.e., Hell *is* everlasting) in explicit terms, and he agreed upon the consensus of scholars in that regard. I can provide Arabic sources if anyone wants.
أعطني المراجع، أنا سمعت أن بن تيمية قصد الجزء من النار المخصص للمؤمنين، هذا الجزء هو الجزء الفاني
Paul has presented the case near Ibn Taymiah's death...so your proof might stand null and void. Ofcourse he would have said that wayy before his death.
Yes you are right
@@AdamDylanMajor what do you mean by this universe is everlasting?
@@AdamDylanMajor Abu Sa’id reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Death will be brought on the Day of Resurrection in the form of a white ram, and it will be made to stand between Paradise and Hellfire. It will be said to the people of Paradise: Do you recognize this? They will raise their heads, looking towards it, and they will say: Yes, it is death. Then, it will be said to the people of Hellfire: Do you recognize this? They will raise their heads, looking towards it, and they will say: Yes, it is death. Then, the command will be given to slaughter the ram and it will be said: O people of Paradise, there is everlasting life for you and no death! And it will be said: O people of Hellfire, there is everlasting life for you and no death!” Then, the Prophet recited the verse, “Warn them of this day of dismay, when their affairs will be decided, yet they are heedless and they do not have faith,” (19:39) and he pointed with his hand to the world.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4730, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2849
Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim
عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يُجَاءُ بِالْمَوْتِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ كَأَنَّهُ كَبْشٌ أَمْلَحُ زَادَ أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ فَيُوقَفُ بَيْنَ الْجَنَّةِ وَالنَّارِ وَاتَّفَقَا فِي بَاقِي الْحَدِيثِ فَيُقَالُ يَا أَهْلَ الْجَنَّةِ هَلْ تَعْرِفُونَ هَذَا فَيَشْرَئِبُّونَ وَيَنْظُرُونَ وَيَقُولُونَ نَعَمْ هَذَا الْمَوْتُ قَالَ وَيُقَالُ يَا أَهْلَ النَّارِ هَلْ تَعْرِفُونَ هَذَا قَالَ فَيَشْرَئِبُّونَ وَيَنْظُرُونَ وَيَقُولُونَ نَعَمْ هَذَا الْمَوْتُ قَالَ فَيُؤْمَرُ بِهِ فَيُذْبَحُ قَالَ ثُمَّ يُقَالُ يَا أَهْلَ الْجَنَّةِ خُلُودٌ فَلَا مَوْتَ وَيَا أَهْلَ النَّارِ خُلُودٌ فَلَا مَوْتَ قَالَ ثُمَّ قَرَأَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَأَنْذِرْهُمْ يَوْمَ الْحَسْرَةِ إِذْ قُضِيَ الْأَمْرُ وَهُمْ فِي غَفْلَةٍ وَهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ وَأَشَارَ بِيَدِهِ إِلَى الدُّنْيَا
4730 صحيح البخاري كتاب تفسير القرآن سورة كهيعص باب قوله وأنذرهم يوم الحسرة
2849 صحيح مسلم كتاب الجنة وصفة نعيمها وأهلها باب النار يدخلها الجبارون والجنة يدخلها الضعفاء
Very enjoyable Sir. Can you please tell which book/treatise of Ibn Taymiyah that Prof. Hoover has quoted from? Highly appreciate.
Very well said brother and very nice topics
"God does not elicit human praise and love out of need. Nothing can add to God's immeasurably greater praise and love of himself."... Nicely put :) may Allah swt reward you good brother for sharing these comments with us. Salam.
Why is worshiping then forced? Pathetic religion built for idiots
Do you think people bow down and pray out of their control ? They do it because they choose to do it. God, gave us options. One is salvation, the other is punishment. You are free to choose. It is not about afterlife only. If you deny, your worldly life also becomes empty, pointless, miserable, lacking spirit, lacking the essence... Again.. you are free to choose. Salam/Peace.
@@orangesoul4289 I am sorry you are totally ill informed. There is NO concept of “ forced worshipping “. It’s your choice. I hope you get it.
@@asad-kc8zf and if I don’t I get burned in hell? That’s not a choice dude. It’s like saying if a robber points a gun at you and says “you’re money or you’re life” and you don’t give him the money, you CHOSE to get shot. The entire binary choice is ridiculous.
Try harder then this
@@orangesoul4289 But you're still not forced to abide these "binary choices" you have free will to choose. No one is forcing me to pray and no one is forcing you to pray either. Its a difference of acknowledging our creator you still have choice and free will. Look at the world even those who acknowledge don't take action in practice yet no one forces them to change their life.
Makes sense if you change the entire meaning of the word ‘forever’
All I know is that He is not unjust. As for matters of afterlife, all we need to know is that hellfire is a terrible abode and that we should avoid it by all means. While debating technicalities people tend to miss the bigger picture.
ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا لَن تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلَّا أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ وَغَرَّهُمْ فِي دِينِهِم مَّا كَانُوا يَفْتَرُونَ
That is because they used to say, "The fire will most certainly not touch us for more than a limited number of days":
Love for your Knowledge
It seems thar many have missed the point.. Look how ibn Taymiyah rahemtullah thought of his lord.. Full of mercy, that could and is encompassating everything.. MashAllah.. right or wrong our lord is how we think of him. May Allah have mercy on all of us, and may the shefat of profet Muhammed s.a.w.s encompassate all the human race who had mercy in their hearts and may we all go to jannah with our loved ones 🤲🤲 Amin
Everybody will wake up in the hell
So Allah says we will come and save believers and ppl we wished.
So who are they that Allah wished to save.
Or do Allah has to save disbelievers from hellfire.
My opinion is Allah will save everybody from hellfire
Thank you I was looking for an actual rational person even as a Christian I don’t believe that everyone goes to hell ❤
I'm sure that whatever happens to those souls in the hereafter, Allah SWT chose those words for the Quran, because if He stated otherwise, like entering paradise after cleansing the soul of its wrongdoings, unbelievers would have much less motivation to become believers. Allah uses fear and agony to warn us, putting it more softly would never have the same effect on human beings
I can't see how the idea that God will punnish someone infinately does not contradict His Divines names and attributes of mercy and forgiveness. Parents threaten their own misbehaving kids with punnishment, out of love and no real intention to actually punnish them; so I could see why threats of eternal Hell might just be that - a threat- which won't actually be carried out. I think if God just threatened people with a certain amount of time in Hell, they just wouldn't care.
{ لَّـٰبِثِینَ فِیهَاۤ أَحۡقَابࣰا }
[Surah An-Nabaʾ: 23]
They will dwell therein for ages
I think through my humble knowledge, all people at the end are out of hell and that befits God's mercy. Allah knows best
As always, love your videos and discussions, makes my brain do some gymnastics 💪🧠
Some people say that eternity means as long as the hellfire is there they will stay in it , so if the hell came to an end they will vanish with it
But then it’s not eternity. Then it’s just till hell ends. Allah would have told us if it was for a finite amount of time but he really said eternity
Forever means forever.
Nowhere is said that the hellfire will disappear in the future.
With all my respect Ibn Taymmiya could be right and based on what Omar (ra) also said - I have been reviewing this subject for few years and reached the conclusion that hell fire will be extinguished
What is your point of reference on that?
Please elaborate
We humans got very limited thinking capacity comparing to the Creator , therefor we should not think instead of his Almighty ,,i can not imagine that the king of beauty , the king of mercy will keep hell for ever ,,,
Surah al bayyinah(The clear proof)98:6
Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings.
- Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
Another verse:
6:128
The day He will assemble all of them together, (Allah will say to Jinn) “O species of Jinns, you have done too much against mankind.” Their friends from among the human beings will say, “Our Lord, some of us have benefited from others, and we have reached our term that You had appointed for us.” He will say, “The Fire is your Abode wherein you will remain for ever, unless Allah wills (otherwise). Surely, your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing.”
Makes you think about oneself than judging anyone else. Judgement belongs to Allah only. We must strive to focus in being a believer and spread the mesaage as much as possible so that Allah does not hold this against us.
جزاك الله خيرا
Despite all the hate ibn taymeyah gets, he’s the most moderate man, scholar in Islamic history. For example, Most people assume that if you divorce your wife out of anger, then it’s an official divorce however, ibn taymeyah says otherwise.
Also, relating yesterday’s video, prophet Muhammad sall allahu alayhe wa sallm said “Allah created Adam in his own image” ibn taymeyah says yes, Allah sees all so Allah bestowed us with eyes, sight etc.
Daud fasting and seek benefit knowledge to increase our faith is the best way to make our desire weak. I hope Allah always guide us to the straight path, forgive our sins and make us khusnul khotimah (good ending)
Allah's judgement is supreme not man nor the highiest in wisdom.
4:169
Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path, except that of Hell, to stay there for ever and ever. And that is easy for Allah.
Indeed, Ibn Tymiyah was wrong regarding Hellfire annellation. Without a shadow of a doubt, the consensus of the first three generations is upon the eternal dwelling of the non-believers in Hellfire.
It is enough to read in the Quran an explicate Aayah affirming the correct Islamic creed regarding the everlasting chastisement of the Kuffar where Allah clearly says: {And so Allah will make them (the disbelievers) remorseful of their misdeeds. And they will never ˹be able to˺ leave the Fire} Al-Baqarah, 167.
{كذلك يريهم الله أعمالهم حسرات عليهم وما هم بخارجين من النار} البقرة، 167
And thus the claim that in teymia said otherwise is unfounded.
@@zorbatv5119 Assuming Ibn Taiymiyah said that; let us establish one of the most important Islamic principles ever: When dealing with scholar(s) whose opinion opposes the clear evidence, one is represented with two options (with no possible third); either reject the scholar(s)' opinion and follow the evidence, or follow their opinion and reject the evidence; assuming Islamic identity, sanity and the non-existence of a sward on one's neck the choice is clear.
I am conflicted on the matter but I really like your approach to the issue as a theological exercise. Many take it really strictly and make a "life or death" matter or worse (a hell or heaven one). When it's just a viable opinion that pretty much could be true. And it has little effects on a person who cares about (a believer) then why worry so much about it.
A big thumbs down just for the movie ads containing music and inappropriately clad women being played over and over again.
We are familiar with two words in The Qur’an . “ chastisement “ , “ permanent Chastisement “. Where solo chastisement is mentioned there we don’t know what will happen to them after . Allah ( SWT ) knows the best .
About permanent chastisement it is final. “ No man can change the words of Allah “- The Qur’an.
Nothing can be added to The Qur’an or subtracted from The Qur’an , not even a notion .
That is not his view, what makes the person think ibn taymiyyah holds it, is the fact that whenever he brings the evidences of his opponents he represents and explains them with great integrity, to the point that you might assume he is advocating for them, and in this case there is no exception, he brought the two views without doing "tarjeeh" or choosing between them, however in another book called "naqd maratib al-ijmaa" which is a critique of ibn hazm's book, when he reached the issue of eternity of hell, ibn hazam reported consensus on it and ibn taymiyyah agreed on that, and this clarifies his position, another factor that helps us understand more is the fact that his brilliant student ibn al-qayyim, has an opinion on the matter too, and he differentates between the hell that would be for disbelievers, and the hell that would be for believers who committed major sins, as we all know, all believers would eventually get out of hell, and ibn Qayyim says they were not with the disbelievers in their hell fire, therefore when the punishment is lifted upon them and they get out from hell to heaven, that hell in which the believers were in would vanish and has an end, because there is nobody in it anymore, but as for the hell that the disbelievers are in, it would not vanish for eternity because the disbelievers' punishment is to suffer in it for ever, and upon this there is consensus.
And Allah knows best
All but the Majestic Face of your God shall perish.
The best part of this video is the comment by brother Paul Williams starting at 10:05, explaining how Islam is not restricted to one scholar's understanding.
Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) indeed made ijtihad and he couldn't arrive at the correct understanding. This however doesn't make him a kafir or a fasiq. Scholars discuss this in detail and disagrees with him beautifully, saying he did ijthihad and erred so he will be rewarded once. That's the beauty of Islam.
I would recommend Brother Paul to sometimes discuss these issues from point of view of Muslim scholars, where we can both benefit from their knowledge and also their etiquettes of disagreeing in matters like these. For example, this very issue can be studied from a Muslim scholars perspective from Prof. Umar Sulaiman al-Ashqar's the Islamic Creed series (Vol:7).
Umar Soleiman of yaqin?
Initial divine act of bringing the universe into existence from non existence was an act of infinite divine mercy. We as created beings can hope and only pray that it prevails….. eternally. Peace.
NONE that chooses the path of death can be *gifted LIFE* - Life or Death comes by CHOICE, thus one MUST choose *WISELY*
(And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?")
Quran 2 :80
The idea of purification for a period of time is invented by the Jews and Allah refuted them in this verse
There is purification by the fire but thats for believers, it's been mentioned many times in hadiths. Allah refuted the jews specificly because they were given the final message but still disbelieved and think that they can be purified and then taken out and granted paradise.
@@rustyray420 yes brother I was responding to the idea mentioned in the video that the disbelievers won’t stay in the hellfire forever
I know that there’s a purification for some of the believers
Thanks ❤👍❤
You're welcome 😊
A Very Interesting topic this, the Hell Fire most likely is Eternal however not all of the residents of Hell Fire will abide in it forever. There was a Hadith in Bukhari which goes like this "When people of Heaven will enter Heaven and people of Hellfire will enter Hell, Allah will order the people who had mustard seed of Imaan(faith) to be TAKEN OUT of Hellfire" however people who committed Shirk (Shaytan, Pharaoh..etc) will remain in Hell forever as Qur'an quotes "They will abide theirin Forever" . And Allah Knows best 💖
In my opinion, paradise being for ever is a Divine promise while permanent hellfire for sinner is a warning simply
Salaams from South Africa 🇿🇦 … very interesting … a question often asked … kitaab ul imaan is also a interesting book 📕 to read by ibn taymia translation by shadia tel … please do a review of it if possible Paul… thank you 🙏
Ibn taymiaa is talking about sinful Muslims who will stay temporary in the JAHANNAM to get their souls clean and by the mercy of ALLAH swt they will be granted Jannah forever.
The shayatin and the infidels will enjoy the torment of the JAHANNAM forever.
I say enjoy because life in JAHANNAM is the fruit of their seeds in this life.
Please correct me if you think im wrong.
Alhamdulilah rabil alemine.
Authority in Islam is Quran or Ibn Taymiyyah?
*And in that [hell] they will cry aloud: “O our Sustainer! Cause us to come out [of this suffering]! We shall [henceforth] do good deeds, not such as we were wont to do [aforetime]!” [But We shall answer:] “Did We not grant you a life long enough so that whoever was willing to take thought could bethink himself? And [withal,] a warner had come unto you! Taste, then, [the fruit of your evil deeds]: for evildoers shall have none to succour them!” (Asad)*
I think Joh Hoover made a mistake here
قال شيخ الإسلام الإمام ابن تيمية في كتابه درء تعارض العقل والنقل: «وقال أهل الإسلام جميعاً: ليس للجنة والنار آخر، وإنهما لا تزالان باقيتين، وكذلك أهل الجنة لا يزالون في الجنة يتنعمون، وأهل النار في النار يعذبون، ليس لذلك آخر.»، وقال في بيان تلبيس الجهمية: «وقد اتفق سلف الأمة وأئمتها وسائر أهل السنة والجماعة على أن من المخلوقات ما لا يعدم ولا ينفى بالكلية، كالجنة والنار والعرش.»
Truth should be Simple,
However here It is interesting to see how winding and complicated the language and explanation are, just to persuade one to disbelieve the truth which is right in front of your eyes, and to justify that "black is not really black but it is white"
Paul,. Thanks for bringing up the subject. However, the discussion of the subject may be lacking of a base in terms ofthe definition of the term "forever" in a time dimensiin you cannot argue about forever where there is no time.... what is forever if there is no time dimensiin? We need to establish the definition of time for hereafter.
.best wishes.
I agree with you. However can we as humans really "establish the definition of time after hereafter"? I personally don't think we can.
@Yassin Zao if time did not exist before, then the time was created by Allah. We know from quran that Allah does not have beginning.if something has a beginning then there is an end too. Physics also says that. See entropy principles....so if you say forever but you dont know the dimension of forever you dont know the ,"forever" in physical world... the terms are very long to explain... sorry if i make mistakes....
The saying of the Imam of Al-Ittihadiya, Ibn Arabi Al-Ta’i, that he claimed that its people are tormented during it for a while, then their natures turn fiery and they enjoy fire because it agrees with their natures.
اقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ هَمَّامٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، رضى الله عنه قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " تَحَاجَّتِ الْجَنَّةُ وَالنَّارُ فَقَالَتِ النَّارُ أُوثِرْتُ بِالْمُتَكَبِّرِينَ وَالْمُتَجَبِّرِينَ. وَقَالَتِ الْجَنَّةُ مَا لِي لاَ يَدْخُلُنِي إِلاَّ ضُعَفَاءُ النَّاسِ وَسَقَطُهُمْ. قَالَ اللَّهُ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى لِلْجَنَّةِ أَنْتِ رَحْمَتِي أَرْحَمُ بِكِ مَنْ أَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِي. وَقَالَ لِلنَّارِ إِنَّمَا أَنْتِ عَذَابٌ أُعَذِّبُ بِكِ مَنْ أَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِي. وَلِكُلِّ وَاحِدَةٍ مِنْهُمَا مِلْؤُهَا، فَأَمَّا النَّارُ فَلاَ تَمْتَلِئُ حَتَّى يَضَعَ رِجْلَهُ فَتَقُولُ قَطٍ قَطٍ قَطٍ. فَهُنَالِكَ تَمْتَلِئُ وَيُزْوَى بَعْضُهَا إِلَى بَعْضٍ، وَلاَ يَظْلِمُ اللَّهُ ـ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ ـ مِنْ خَلْقِهِ أَحَدًا، وَأَمَّا الْجَنَّةُ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ يُنْشِئُ لَهَا خَلْقًا ".
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, "I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.' Paradise said, 'What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?' On that, Allah said to Paradise. 'You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.' Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, 'You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.' As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, 'Qati! Qati!' At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise, Allah will create a new creation to fill it with."
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Ibn Taymiyah habitually states all other scholar's/sect's openions when discussing issues and some of the unfair inventionests who disagree with him on other subjects hastely attribute these opinions to him.
He also usually apologizes for the opinions of people he disagrees with them and some people think or rather wish that he agrees with that.
And his rivals typically have good faith in the atheist Ibn Arabi and apologize for him while they have bad faith in the salfi Ibn Taymyiah and condemn him.
Why get an opinion when we have a definitive statement from Allah Himself? :
33:63 People ask you about the Hour. Say, "The knowledge of the Hour is with God alone. Yet for your purposes, the Hour may be near."
33:64 Surely, God rejects those who reject the truth, and has readied for them a Blazing Fire.
33:65 Therein to abide forever, they will find then no patron nor helper.
What is the point to know whether Jahanama(Hell) is forever or not !? Can we endure geing there even for a second !?
Yes they will be there forever, Allah mighty has made it clear in many verse. When the decision clearly mentioned then no need explanation acceptable from any Imam.
This is the final
@Syed Rafsan Imam why can't we understand? do you think Quran is a riddle and we have no wisdom to understand ?
What are you talking man use your brain plz
Sir,whether un-believers or believers after death will remain for ever in hell-fire or heavenly-roses is a matter of conjecture.The fact is if buried their bodies will decompose and turn into dirt and possibly a skeleton till the day of judgement.
As for their souls that is another matter.
Base on the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad all of us will enter paradise
You have to complete the whole hadith to get the full meaning. The hadith says that Everyone is gonna enter paradise except those ones who gonna refuse(So if you disbelieve in the message he brought, of-course you don't wanna enter paradise.)
@@nicolaskenny6813 true, if you refuse the message there is a punishment, after the punishment there is an ease because Allah is Most Merciful Oft-Forgiving
Alhamdulillah Berkah Allah Selalu Melimpah Ruah..
Terima Kasih Ya Allah semua Nikmat Hidup Ini...
Mari kita sejenak menyempatkan diri untuk membaca dzikir ringan ini.
Subhanallah 3x
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I don't think Ibn Taymiyya believes that all people of hellfire will eventually enter paradise - Rather, he believes that they would be disintegreated out of existence. I recommend you check out the 'The Descriptions of Jahannam #8: The Eternality of Heaven & Hell (& Ibn Taymiyyah’s Views)' video by 'Yasir Qadhi'.
Imam Ibn Taymiyyah was the one who claimed the consencus:
وقال رحمه الله أيضاً في كتابه: بيان تلبيس الجهمية: وقد اتفق سلف الأمة وأئمتها وسائر أهل السنة والجماعة على أن من المخلوقات ما لا يعدم ولا يفنى بالكلية، كالجنة والنار والعرش وغير ذلك، ولم يقل بفناء جميع المخلوقات إلا طائفة من أهل الكلام المبتدعين، كالجهم بن صفوان ومن وافقه من المعتزلة ونحوهم، وهذا قول باطل يخالف كتاب الله وسنة رسوله وإجماع سلف الأمة وأئمتها
وَمَن یَعۡصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَیَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَهُۥ یُدۡخِلۡهُ نَارًا خَـٰلِدࣰا فِیهَا وَلَهُۥ عَذَابࣱ مُّهِینࣱ ﴿ ١٤ ﴾
• Sahih International:
And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - *He will put him into the Fire to abide eternally* therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment. (14)
An-Nisa', Ayah 14
Brother Paul ur conclusion at the end of the video is absolutely correct. Ibn Taymiyya didn't sound like a true believer as if he was giving some sort false hope so that one day every unbeliever will enter Paradise after spending certain time in hellfire which is not true as per the teachings of Islam and according the messages of Allah in Quran only believers will enter Paradish whereas those unbelieved will abide in hell forever. Only those believers who has committed major sins will spend certain time in hell to cleanse their sins but they will surely enter Paradise after being purified but there is no chance at all for unbelievers. And Mercy of Allah is very important for entering Paradise but God's mercy will exempt unbelievers on Day of Judgement. So only believers will fall under the mercy of Allah.
Our decision to believe in Allah is like a key to Paradise and those who disbelieve will be locked in hell forever .
Paul I absolutely adore your content, but a brotherly advise is to prefer studying Islam from Muslim Scholars rather than Non.
Nice views
Allah has promised many things in Al Quran and directly afterwards says .. 'and Allah does not go back on His promise' The Ultimate 'Judge' and the 'Just' also being 2 of His 99 attributes/characteristics.
Adding another opinion in the mix, forgive me if already mentioned. There are some that will remain in the hellfire forever but that doesn't necessarily mean the punishmet, or pain, will be forever.
Ah, a Yasir qadi opinion i believe?
@@BlueRespectableOctopus not sure, I remember Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad mention it
Paul, on your channel, and I’m pretty sure other Muslim channels, this Christian group is putting an add of Christians who converted from Islam, and defaming Islam. Things like portraying Allah SWT as always wanting to punish and there being no forgiveness, when I’m pretty sure it’s a sin to be hopeless of the mercy of Allah SWT. We should stop these guys from putting adds here.
Allah knows the best. Why we need to argue upon this!?
One thing is true: the only one who never commited mistakes in religion was Prophet Muhammad swalallahu ãlaihi wassallam... Outside him everyone commited mistakes in religious affairs, the tabi'in, the atba tabi'in, the classical scholars, the modern scholars, even the sahabah.... So Ibn Taymiyah is not a exception
So true
What about the other 24 prophets?
@@adibrayyan1909 I'm talking about the time from prophethood of Muhammad swalla Allaahu ãlaihi wassallam till this days.
And the prophets that Allaah sent were more than 24, some say that were 124.000. But only Allaah knows the exact number
@Sadique Not the whole tribe but the ones that didn't keep loyal to the treaty and betrayed in the middle of a war.
But prophets do mistakes that aren't intentional and aren't sins. But they are corrected by God. (Example Surah Abasa) (Prophet Yunus (Jonah) As far as I know, God knows best.
The Prophet (PBUH) was not infallible nor was he omniscient, he was only infallible in transmission in scripture. The Prophet (PBUH) made some mistakes, as seen in hadiths, The Prophet (PBUH) had cursed at times but after revelation was revealed to not curse, he’d never done it again.
Al Quran 4:116. Verily! Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far away.
He is not talking about Shirk
I have heard this view before. Some people interpret ‘eternal/forever’ as dwelling in the hellfire for ‘ages’. It is difficult to imagine that Allah swt would punish people for infinity. It maybe that disbelievers stay in hellfire but that the fire is extinguished at some point. However perhaps no disbeliever will ever enter paradise. The dwellers of hell may well be content enough with that. Allah swt knows best and his judgement is always merciful and just. Why risk even a moment in hellfire.
Seems like you doubt what ALLAH swt has revealed in the Holy Quran.
ALLAH swt is giving people free will and they choose to disobey for all their life.
ALLAH swt says you remember me and I remember you.
You dont know me I dont know you.
ALLAH swt is keeping his promise with the disbelievers as he is keeping his promise with the believers.
ALLAH swt is always just.
People are not always looking for real justice .
@@LK-dm7kx I take offence at you saying that I doubt what Allah swt has revealed in the Quran and I knew it wouldn’t be long till I received a comment along those lines. First, have you watched the video and what Ibn Taymiyyah said? If you did and it is true that Ibn Taymiyyah did say that then on what grounds would Ibn Taymiyyah have said what he did? I have read translations saying the unbelievers will be in hell ‘therein ages’ or to that effect, the same is translated as eternal by other commentators. It is plausible that being burned alive for eternity may not be the case. That hell wont be a burning pit forever but the place known as hell remains. I finished off my comment by saying Allah swt knows best. My comment is in reference to this video and the opinion of the great scholar Ibn Taymiyyah. A carte blanche ‘Hell is forever because it says so in the Quran’ is not debating the point in the video.
You have committed kufr. Correct your aqeedah and repent before you die otherwise you will too be thrown in the hellfire for eternity which you doubt
@@Ahle.haq0 would it surprise you Ibn Taymiyyah didn’t believe hellfire was eternal. I also finished my comment with Allah swt knows best.
@@DC-wp6oj then he would be a kafir and murtad if he did indeed he believe it
Paul somewhere in Quran Allah says he will forgive all the sins of humanity but not the heathenism
You meant shirk right?
The hypocrites and the irony is: his biggest fans/followers (from KSA to the West etc), NEVER will accept this view. They are hardliners and they love hell themselves (the hanbalis, the wahabis, extremists etc). They always love ''shaykh ul Islam'', but about hell to stop eventually, nope, they will ignore this. Everything Ibn Taymiyyah said is seen as right, but not this subject. The hypocrites are shut down. Great video btw!
Take knowledge from where Ibn Taymiyyah and his student Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya took it
God giving for all souls multiple chanses, after all that chanses he will give his judgment, god is all knowing and most mercyfull.
I remembered, I read a hadith before, I'll need time to find it, but it hinted to the fact that unbelievers burning in hell for eternity/forever doesn't exclude the fact that hell is eternal. Hellfire could also seize to exist. But in all honesty I don't even think that hadith was explicit
In an examination hall, if few candidates are not willing to handover their answer sheets to the invigilator then how can they expected success even they 100% answers correctly?
Surah 5, Verse states clearly that there is no way out of hell for disbelievers. Surah 6, verses 28 indicated that if the disbelievers were given a second chance, they would repeat their first deeds. If Ibn Teymiya said this, then he was wrong. Sorry to say that but this is beyond doubt and stated in many verses in the Quran while no single verse even implicitly points in the opposite direction.
The people are of variances.. some are Doubters... Others are Agnostics...some are atheistic... Others are atheistic but violent towards the Believers.... Others are idolaters...
Those who disbelieve but go onto bar others from Allah are the rebellious towards Allah Himself