The danger of TRT and PEDs in men and combat sports
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2022
- Coach Zahabi talks about PEDs testing in ADCC and weighs the pros and cons of TRT.
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Finally this topic! 💯🙏🏼
Props for putting out content while sick.
I’m 42yrs old and my test levels just came back at 745 ng/dL which was very surprising. I will go back again at the same time in a couple of months to see if it fluctuates
Imagine trusting doctors with your long term health 😂
"Economically". Nicely said.
My levels were fucked so I started using Test with some other compounds.
I'll run 500 Test Cyp with 500 Deca.
I've added in 45 of Tbol a day & that stack made me a beast.
The Deca TOTALLY removes ALL of my old injury pains which removes my want to use pain killers to help with my pain issues.
I train for strength & size.
That stack took me from 220 to 245 with nice size at 6'2 height.
TRT is a godsend for many
@mr. shush that is not trt, that's a cycle my friend.
Dude that is not TRT, that is a full-blown epic steroid cycle. TRT is always done below 200mg a week and even that puts you well above natural Test levels. 😂
@@GHOSTNINJASD😂🤣
I’m 52 still rolling and competing 💪 zero T shots drug free only 🥩
59 and training in BJJ 24 years along with kettlebells and calisthenics. Some dudes our age don’t want to really clean up their diet and supplement with specific vitamins and minerals that help your testosterone production maintenance. By this I mean I know five particular middle age practitioners on TRT who eat “Okay” don’t regularly supplement their diet, like to have a few beers on their weekends and lift “Off and on”, thereby not maximizing bodies ability to promote healthy T levels naturally. I’m very happy with my body composition, I bicycle the very short distance to my school and I skateboard bowls, ramps and embankments regularly (I retired from judicial service so I admit the extra free time helps recovery though).
Pin a rose on your nose
get on steroids, youre old brother, I can't wait to be old and get on the juice
Nothing wrong with TRT dude if you need it lol it’s actually beneficial if your testosterone is low. You’re 52 you’d be surprised how much better you would feel 🤷🏻♂️. TRT isn’t about getting jacked or being better competitively at all. If you’re abusing it like body builders do then you’ll have problems. But these guys are injecting multiple types of roids. TRT is safe.
Meat kills your heat bro
im 50 coach i havent gone on the trt, the cold that flu around the world and made it stop, there has been already too many deaths related to steroids, thanks for a great video
You don’t need the risk, hassle and expense of TRT. I’m 9 years older. I have zero idea what my level are even understand the context. I eat clean, supplement and do compound exercises. If I can have a flat stomach and keep a few lives carved throughout my body, I’m happy. I look at all these older guys at these outdoor calisthenics gyms in NYC who eat very clean and look phenomenal. I don’t think these older, mostly poorer guys have the resources to get on TRT. They just eat simple foods, high protein intake and put in the work.
Hey even GSP was on stuff
A very interesting subject
As Lyle Mcdonald famously said "the primary side effect of steroids is Greatness"
Mmm
Ego centric
So... Dumb.
Coach...plz explain why or how using PED's in combat sports is a bad thing? Please provide me an example since it is clearly so over used in the past in MMA and currently in BJJ of how someone or so many people have been harmed by their use. While i agree there are dangers of their use...everything of that nature should always be done under the advise of a health professional. As far as the youth go...i just out right don't agree. Baseball went through over a decade of PED use...and we didn't have steroids in all the high schools and we didn't have people dropping like flies from cancer.
Have been on trt from an actual endocrinologist/hormone doctor for 2 years all my health markers and bloodwork every 3 months have gotten better since starting it. If actually needed it's one thing, just running a cycle or cycles to get bigger stronger faster ect is an entirely different thing with a lot of diff health issues that are possible especially with all the UGL these days most ppl buying it from the gym bro ect dont even know what theyre actually getting or how its actually dosed.
Everyone also fails to realize how quickly test in men has been dropping since like 1900. Its like dangerously low compared to our grandparents.
@@alek9411 Yes scary stuff and unfortunately largely ignored until today.
Good post but even many endocrinologists do it wrong. If they inject once a months or once a week and put you immediately on estrogen blockers they are doing it wrong. Daily or bi-daily injections provide much more stable results.
@@everyoneisonsteroids2720 yeah the every 2 weeks ect is def wrong way to do it. I do a smaller dose/mg two times a week, works a lot better for me than even one a week, for me at least.
@@alek9411 yeah the science and studies done on that topic are actually pretty crazy to be honest.
I'm on 100mg a week which puts me in a very normal range. Bloodwork is fine when I donate double red blood fells regularly. So far 1yr+ and am very happy on it. Don't listen to people saying go 200mg a week, 100 can often put people in the 750-900 range on its own. Hcg keeps my balls nice and working but I do agree one pct a year is fine. The high doses and aaems are scary I agree. It's very weird going to a gym and seeing a bunch of college freshmen that look completely unnatural and shredded out of their minds
What hcg dose do you take?
Same dose with no HCG and no blood donation, perfect labs.
@@ivanraimi5524 100iu a day
Yea people who are on TRT with no concurrent HCG is crazy to me
If you want tiny balls and no kids don't take HCG lol.
@@AscendedBeyond Isn't hcg stops working after a while? You still need to freeze your sperm, if you want to have kids in the future
TRT is 4 life... food is too, but I would rather continue buying food over injections.
Wasn't much choice for some of us. If you go below the baseline and start feeling extreme fatigue, mood swings, and general depression there aren't a lot of other solutions. "Just exercise" and "just diet" doesn't change the problem.
@@damienholland8103 sure...I won't argue against that.
@@timbo7873 Yeah, if I didn't have to I wouldn't. Our healthcare system is such that if the problem doesn't perfectly fit their existing expectations they just shrug their shoulders. So at least I get these weekly injections that bring me back to normal / functional for now. I'll probably never stop and I'll probably never know why.
@@damienholland8103 totally understand. My 35 year old Nephew is on it. He's a veteran that did 7 tours in Afghanistan. He takes it because of the head injuries he sustained. Apparently the concussions are horrible for your pituitary gland and any damage to it interrupts the cascade effect of the other hormones. He switched from one shot a week to 3 smaller doses spaced a day apart. Said he feels much better that way.
Just now I'm learning as much as I can about it. I'm 43 and still feeling pretty robust. Although I did notice a big drop off after 36. I'll get a panel done just to know where I'm at. I know eventually I'll give in and see about taking it.
@@timbo7873 I have my thyroid, cholesterol, vitamin d, and test levels checked twice a year. I was lacking in all 3 and had to bring them back to baseline. All the best to you and your family.
Reaching 30 and your opinion changed my mind quickly 😂😂😂
How do you grapple with thinking PEDs are bad but then Praising Gordon Ryan when he is one of the biggest drug cheats? Dude does reps of 20 and is 220+ and doesnt get tired. High likely hood he blasts EPO as well since he always wants to do no time limit matches because he has that advantage.
Because Gordon Ryan compete against other guys who are on drugs too. There is no testing in BJJ so why would you blame somebody who dominate opponents who take the same stuff than him?
@@ShogunTen Horrible excuse. Kade Ruotolo just won ADCCs clean with all subs. You don't need to cheat to win, Gordon just realized he wasn't good enough without the sauce. The results show that prior to his "transformation".
@@Abettergrappler You’re right. We are growing lazy in terms of leaving out the cerebral aspect of jiu-jitsu, the strategy and timing.
So yall are saying gordon should have stayed clean and competed against galvao?
Must be hard to be a noble man in a drug riddled sport. Take the drugs off these guys and they probably never would of achieved greatness.
1:13 "... economically" 😂😂😂
American Ginseng and Ashwagandha would be the wisest choice for longevity and keeping your natural testosterone. Reishi mushrooms also is great for longevity, definitely assists in your entire endocrine system. I would start taking it now. Chinese medicine is great at this subject. Look at "Jing treasures". (Jing is your bodies life battery that decreases with age and stress)
Your body naturally decreases its output as you age to keep you ticking, I wouldn't mess with your bodies natural chemistry unless it is for urgent reasons.
There are already a few stories of young body builders dying for “unknown reasons”.
Very interesting re: TRT
its a classic example of the prisoners dilemma scenario.
3:09 did you mean if they take HGH the cancer cells will grow? Because testosterone and steroids have anti-cancer properties and do not induce hyperplasia but hypertrophy.
Only reason I’m not on ALL the gear is the cost 😂
If you use therapeutic, non supraphysiological doses it won't be that dangerous?
Famous last words..
Its a bit like saying smoking's not bad, someones grandma made it to 98 smoking a cigarette a day..
You are gambling your health on someone elses outcomes.
@@Vscustomprinting But it actually improves your health, if you inject it under supervision of a doctor
@@ivanraimi5524 thats quite the questionable claim.
The ad I got for this video was Chris whatever (MCU Thor) selling his workout program. Dude is rich af and on all the steroids and hes selling a clean program FOR PROFIT telling people they can get his physique if they buy it. 🤮🤮🤮
Scary stuff
Cold that ended the🤣🤣 world...economically funny but true 👍
I'm 43 years old my energy levels not like in my 30s. People been telling me trt trt they don't stop. I do not want to do the trt thing. Anyone know a clean healthy supplement that's close to something as trt. I just rather be clean and keep my health at 💯 percent clean.
Sleep and diet
Boron, ashwagandha can help with freeing up testosterone and energy levels. I put my pops on boron and he's 55,hes been much more active recently. Also p5p is good. All natural stuff. Also 8-9hrs of sleep will show the most increased test levels
I think Ashgwanda is supposed to raise testorone
pine tree pollen
Tangkat Ali can have solid results if you're a high responder. But nothing is gonna beat TRT.
50 yo, top shape. HOWEVER, I am actually consuming some whey protein, creatine, L-glutamine, BCAA and coffee. Those things are beneficial to my body, my healthy body. Never juiced myself, but consumed some Peds when I was a young fighter. Hard for me to roll with the high level instructors who are on peds, very hard.
People tell themselves all kinds of things with little to no evidence.. its called "marketing".
@@Vscustomprinting You lost me right there. What do you mean ?
Lots of misinformation here on TRT. Don’t listen to it. Do actual research.
I’d probably stick to explaining MMA as a whole and not punch above my weight with endocrinology 🤷♂️
Like gsp ain't all hgh gutted
I heard a youtuber mention BIH or bio identical hormones taken orally for post 30 women... but i need to fact check
43*
I’m almost 41 and my overall testosterone is 500 which is midrange(300-900) and most importantly my free t is 60(5-30). My free t is double the range. Boom.
This could mean your E2 is low which crashes your SHBG driving free T up but lacks the ability to deliver it because your SHBG system is crashed. Boom lol. Plus 500 is garbage my 66 year old dad has a 600 lol. If you were at 800 or 900 I'd guarantee you would have a massive change in recovery, performance, sexual function, energy, focus, and drive.
The cancer and the liver damage is HGH not T
ended the world "economically" that was funny, you are my favorite MMA coach Firas....
It is not unpolluted anymore
Don't do it
The sad thing is the young athletes are taking this stuff and ruining their organs.
Your mixing up trt with the effects of ped abuse in your explanation
Testosterone levels decrease with aging. This is a normal part of aging. Taking TRT on any level will have an INCREASED demand on the organs of your body particularly your heart and kidneys. This increased demand leads to damage on your over all wellness in the long term and can cause an earlier death. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE BIOLOGICAL LUNCH. Best of luck to all our there. Be safe. I’ve never met a healthy 90 year old who told me, “yeah all this testosterone I’m taking has made me live longer…”😂
If you're not a pro stay away from it unless it's Dr's recommended to many people non pros from body building mmz boxing are on it and are causing massive damage no return at all
How are you going to be normal if you're taking trt? Doesn't make sense. TRT is going to make funner to exercise and make you in a better mood probably, but is that normal? In my opinion better to be grouchy push yourself mentally through basic training scenarios. Which will probably raise your testosterone naturally
If you're aware that the other person is taking it and you're aware of the risks then you should be allowed to do it.
Guys I’m currently on week 1 of a 500mg test only cycle. Will let y’all know how things go. I’m most curious to see how it affects my cardio on the mat
Age: 26
Weight: 175
Been this weight for about 3 years and have very much hit a plateau in my weight training.
super curious man
Dude, don't do that to yourself! You have your whole life ahead of you. This shit can make you sterile among other things
@@albinoadrianocordeiro9929we’re all goin to the same place when it’s all over dude. Gotta live your best life while you can
@@TheTyler701 that's true. but remember this: if you don't have your health - you have nothing. stay healthy.
@@albinoadrianocordeiro9929 I mean steroids have their dangers, but their definitely not as bad as alcohol. You don’t see people having the same stigma towards alcohol like they do to steroids.
Stress stress stress, buddy
No one under 40 should ever ever ever use testosterone, but over 50 it’s necessary to have proper testosterone levels if you are still training at a high level, with younger guys.
Shouldn't have taken that jab coach. Excess deaths (non covid) are through the roof now in all age groups.
why? aren't we supposed to get old and die?
Microdose Viagara it’s dope
How much?
I agree, steroids and other PEDs are a health concern for our athletes. However, I believe that dehydration weight cutting perpetuated by day before weigh-ins are a more significant health risk. Further, it's a health risk that we can correct immediately.
you loss your erection
god dam thats all i needed to hear lolol
i'm happy i'm 46 and a high white belt hehehe i'm fitter then i've ever been
You wont lose your erections from testosterone, it's when you start mixing and matching weird shit
You're balls shrink but if anything, higher T makes you more hornier. Getting an erection shouldn't be an issue.
Grappling is steroids. That's what it's become.
Nah
why would you take test or any PED? Don't you want to age the way God intended? I thought you are Muslim and I thought Muslims believe they are made in the image of God. I think as you age your Jiu Jitsu technically would improve since you would no longer be able to rely on strength. You could end up developing a Jiu Jitsu style based on small movements with minimal strength if you let yourself age naturally.
You'll never be as efficient despite technique without accompanying it with physical fitness. Nothing wrong with retaining elements of your youth with modern technology as long as it's done in a safe manner.
Its because he isnt immune to social pressures and influencers.
@@nukenfry nah
1 gram test gang
Grappling would be way more boring with drug testing.
Jesus saves. Love you guys.
Grow up
Forgot to add, tell that to the Ukraine! Jesus saves, pfft🤣🤦♂️
@@thebodykeepsthescore2828 god hates us all 🔥
@Guy Incognito tell us why god hates you enough to do that
The idea that you can live forever in heaven and death isn’t real if you believe religious claims- comes from a book that says there was light before the sun and stars and plants before light - and don’t forget talking snakes and talking donkeys. Enjoy your supernatural xanax, it’s just as real.
100mg is TRT……200 mg is cheating !
As a retired pharmacist, I do not recommend any exogenous testosterone. Your own testosterone production will cease. Nuts will decrease.
There’s a reason why testosterone decreases as we age.
Yea, cause you're getting old. Using TRT in a safe manner is one way to stave off one biomarker of age, and perform as you do in your youth for longer periods of time.
@@nukenfry safe manner?
Look man. No amount is safe. You’re trading your time on Earth for temporary fountain of youth.
@@magcitrate There's no evidence of this. If that is the case then people with hormone deficiences who take TRT would be dying prematurely. Taking TRT for an "average" person, who may be at 300 ng/dl to pump their levels to 950 ng/dl isn't going to cause them anymore problems than someone pumping their levels from 50ng/dl to 950ng/dl. We aren't talking about Trenbolone, or Anavar, or Dianabol here, we are talking about simple testosterone replacement therapy.
@@magcitrate you are a fool. TRT is great. If you think otherwise that is ok. But don’t preach how bad TRT is without knowing the facts.
@@nukenfry do you develope any side effect taking it ? Such as acne , gyno etc ?
Just take trt bro, it’s really not a big deal lol
Testosterone and hormonal birth control are two sides of the same coin. Both enhance each genders innate advantages. Sexual selection for women and physical strength for men. Kind of interesting how one is subsidized and another is demonized.
This is not remotely true, and lacks a nuanced understanding of neurology/physiology/immunology
@@Vscustomprinting I’m not suggesting that it’s safe, much less healthy as some say. It’s just an interesting thought experiment. See a lot of young girls started on depot and others without much thought. Our estrogen replacement experiment certainly proved to be a disaster as well.
You don’t need to take anything at 50. Especially you that stay in shape. Let your body do it’s normal functions and defenses.
That Gordon guy is full of roids. I know you always praising that guy but he’s a cheater.
also steroids make you agressive coach, instead of relaxed
Why taking this stuff if you're 50? Getting old is part of life...
Well, not looking at it as a ped, but as a medical treatment, if you are deficient on something that is necessary to health and longevity, I don't know why everyone wouldn't want to. Low T leads to a lot of negative health aspects as we get older, and I'm not talking about muscle mass. If low test is the reason we see 50 as being "getting old" due to the negative health aspects we see in 50 year olds, but 50 year olds who add trt feel like and enjoy the life of a 35 year old, then maybe 70 will become the "gettijg old" age. What's wrong with that?
The modern delusion..
Just eat plants, bro.
Honestly I figured it out while Olympic weightlifting in college how many juice heads there are… and then when I did BJJ for two years I quit because of all the egotistical jerk offs.. and half of them or more are on TRT/PEDs. I swear if all these dudes weren’t juiced they wouldn’t be half as good as they are at their relative sport. It’s cheating. Point blank. If everyone’s on the same playing field and juiced, then cool. But it irritates me when people act like Gods and beating people who are natural, but they’d be nothing without it.
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You can manage them!
Exploiting vulnerable people, i see