Aoe2 DE Campaign Achievements: I was in China Before - Revisited [Genghis Khan 3. Into China]

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @Kernel15
    @Kernel15 4 года назад +99

    One of the times I played this scenario, I cleared the Jin TC and castle, and thought I was nearly safe.
    Then I saw the blacksmiths go down one by one like some ominously terrifying countdown.
    Got a villager to spam palisades at random in the central area and breathed a sigh of relief when there was no more space for the wonder.
    Then... they started a wonder in the south of the island. *sigh*

  • @Oleg-oe1rc
    @Oleg-oe1rc 3 года назад +28

    40:02 You CAN tell rams to be more active, just change them from defensive stance to attack stance and they will bust down anything and everything in sight

    • @chtyldubreux5950
      @chtyldubreux5950 2 года назад +4

      Just patrol (or attack move) them past an enemy base on aggresive (or even defensive) stance, and they will clear every building on their path. It's amazing how fast they can destroy an entire base

  • @Mut4ntG4m3r
    @Mut4ntG4m3r 4 года назад +54

    i found that scenario pretty hard as a casual :D

  • @beefjerkythesecond
    @beefjerkythesecond 4 года назад +36

    One time I tried to complete this and I felt safe they wouldn't build a wonder because the blacksmiths were still there. There just build the wonder in a different area. So don't feel safe just because the blacksmiths are still there.

  • @DCdabest
    @DCdabest 4 года назад +13

    I knew it! I wasn't crazy! The AI is much better prepared now.
    Thanks for updating it!

  • @BouldozeR92
    @BouldozeR92 2 года назад +9

    There is a way to cheese this scenario, it basically keeps you safe on land from everyone else so you can boom and focus on jin.
    move the ram to the great wall's three gates and break them all down, then build your own 3 gates in their place. No idea why but the AI gets confused and they usually travel around trying to pass through instead of breaking them down.

    • @Blokewood3
      @Blokewood3 9 месяцев назад +2

      In the original Age of Kings the AI would attack walls, but not gates. If you built a gate in front of their gates or built a wall entirely out of gates the AI would be unable to attack.

  • @NightKnight347
    @NightKnight347 4 года назад +10

    Sheep on transports? So beautiful, I am in shock!

  • @Jbeans0075
    @Jbeans0075 2 года назад +2

    Yess! I got the "I was in China before" achievement today after following a good portion of your playthrough. My army management is utter bollocks though, so used a proliferation of castles throughout the Jin base to maintain position. Thank you so much for the modelling!

  • @mobious15
    @mobious15 Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for all of these achievement videos. They help out so much

  • @HadouGun
    @HadouGun 4 года назад +20

    To prevent idle rams just patrol them on aggressive.

    • @thenayancat8802
      @thenayancat8802 4 года назад +10

      Best feeling in the world is patrolling Drill siege rams into someone's base :D

    • @chavzone
      @chavzone 4 года назад +2

      Based rambois
      Piledrivers, you could say

    • @HadouGun
      @HadouGun 2 года назад

      @@thenayancat8802 A close second would be Torsion Engine Siege Rams.

  • @Gorlami1945
    @Gorlami1945 4 года назад +16

    Y aquí tienes un comentario en español, además que diré que quede sorprendido, de niño siempre sufría con la maravilla al faltarle minutos de los 100 años 😂😂😂

  • @Badboyben1422
    @Badboyben1422 4 года назад +22

    Whenever I play this scenario I take all my units and set up a base north of the Jin, and I wall off. The other Chinese npcs dont cross the sea to attack and you only have to deal with the Jin and I always use the Ram or Onager to take out the Wonder right when they start to build it. Then usually the Jin give up and I take all their resources and then cross back to take out the other Chinese nps. Also there are bombard cannons inside the wall that are left by the engineers.

    • @MrMakintos
      @MrMakintos Год назад

      But if they start building it you already lost

  • @LeohKKags
    @LeohKKags 4 года назад +7

    I tried the push early on but instead of trying going inside their walls I just built it next to them, by the boars to the east. Gave them a lot of headaches with a castle until I could push in with siege and Mangudai. By the time they started destroying the blacksmiths I was already inside their walls taking down towers and with trebs taking down everything else
    But gotta thank you for the previous video that gave me that idea!

  • @chapohc
    @chapohc 3 года назад +3

    The steps I've followed:
    1 - Go to East, build some houses and destroy the towncenter
    2 - Send 5 villagers to East, to Jin's Island and build a TC close to the 2 boars, I've let a villager in the old island for getting wood
    3 - Build a BlackSmith and a Market and upgrade to Castle Age
    4 - Gather as much food and wood as it's possible
    5 - Build a castle in the East gate, blocking villagers access to wood
    6 - Use the ram for braking the gate, and then destroy their TC
    7 - Send a small group of skirmishers (15~20) for killing Chu-Ku-Nu and some scouts/cavalary archers for killing villagers
    Tips:
    -Searching for bombard cannons doesn't worth the time
    -foccus on killing their villagers with fast units, and skriminshers for killing chu-ku-nu
    -ignore the towers, you can destroy them after defeating Jin
    -don't destroy the market, it will be really usfefull after Jim's defeat
    -you won't need to worry about knights if you start attacking them fast. If you take too long, you'll have to bring some spearmen

  • @kamikazefrancais
    @kamikazefrancais 4 года назад +13

    *throat singing while riding a horse on the steppe intensifies*

  • @-Garaf-
    @-Garaf- 4 года назад +13

    I've been so into the pacifist run lately that, when i saw you start killing the crossbow at the start, i was seriously confused, thinking you already lost the challenge XD

  • @bosbanon3452
    @bosbanon3452 3 года назад +3

    I played it after saw your poll , i played for 2 hour then got defeated by the wonder

  • @c182SkylaneRG
    @c182SkylaneRG 4 года назад +27

    So I see Pop Cap is higher than 75. That was always one of my biggest challenges with the campaigns, was adjusting between 200 pop cap in Random Map games, and 75 pop cap in the campaigns. I'm guessing the original limit and the update are both due to hardware limitations at the time of release?

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +10

      Not sure how much the 75 population limit was based on performance concerns. AoC already had campaigns with higher population limits, and as far as I know, 200 has always been the standard for online play, even back near the game's launch. There may have been balance concerns, such as players having difficulty controlling so many units, that informed the default decision for 75 population.

    • @c182SkylaneRG
      @c182SkylaneRG 4 года назад +10

      @@T-West Well, I remember seeing it advertised while I was installing MS Flight Sim 2000, so it's at least that old (probably older), and all of the original AoK campaigns adhered to the 75 pop cap. It wasn't until The Conqueror's additional campaigns that the pop cap was raised for those ones, specifically. I think the Attila the Hun campaign even varied the pop cap, since the Huns didn't need houses and got the whole thing up front, but I might be remembering wrong. But even then, the original campaigns stuck to 75.

    • @Picklespeaker1
      @Picklespeaker1 4 года назад +3

      c182SkylaneRG I began to appreciate the 75 pop cap from AoE2 since the first time I played AoE 1 campaigns and their freaking 50 max pop cap. I thought the same thing about tech limitations of that time, even already having 200 pop for online games in that AoE. Curiously, old AoE 1 AI players look a lot like they are designed to only work with 50 pop. They don’t play very well with higher pop caps, unless you make your own AI script.

    • @safe-keeper1042
      @safe-keeper1042 4 года назад +2

      No, I always thought it was a balance concern, since the game could handle 200 pop limits just fine, even in eight player games. Makes it slightly harder to just wall up and build an unbeatable army.

    • @HandleDisliker
      @HandleDisliker 4 года назад

      @@safe-keeper1042 I remember screwing around on a random game with the pop cap to like 125 for four players when it would show signs of lag. Granted, this was seven-year-old me we're talking about, who let the AI boom then shrivel up on their own (because I loved the economic side of the game), but this lag was coming from an average 2006 computer for the original disc game.
      I know that that's not much of an argument, but the original game was pushed out a solid decade before it became a common trend for people to have a powerful personal computer (heck, it may have been even two decades idk). I'm not sure how a balancing issue would work, so I'll stick to the side of performance on this argument.

  • @robertbanfic8700
    @robertbanfic8700 3 года назад +7

    19:48 "Floating a lot of wood there"
    *70 villagers on wood*
    Checks out :D

  • @robertasmarciulionis6076
    @robertasmarciulionis6076 2 года назад

    I started aoe2 DE not so long ago but since I started I am very bad right now :D but seeing you do all this crazy stuf and beat the scenarios and im glad I found your channel right there very fun to watch it's acualy chill and enjoyable :DDDDDDD

  • @kadikbecerrasoliz7941
    @kadikbecerrasoliz7941 4 года назад +4

    You have to shows us some of your multiplayer matches.
    You seem to be pretty good at the game.

  • @thedrunkenrebel
    @thedrunkenrebel 4 года назад +3

    Isnt it easier to transport a scout behind the wall with the ship, in the time you take the engineers town? By the time you're capturing their town, the scout can go for the cannons from the western corner of the wall, and return to the wall gates. Then as you destroy the gates and the nearby towers, Red will come with scorpions and rams, and youll be able to flatten them with attack ground, and the goal is to build your own gates instead of the enemy's, for securing the entire half of the map for you. Meanwhile you should also progress as far as preparing the landing on Yellow island. Make a stone wall cage and trap your cannons inside, then agro enemies with scouts and kill them with the cannons. Jin is done in this way by 30 mins in-game, and the next enemy should be Teal, because his side has resources untapped. Then attack Red and Green from south and east, that's how I've always done this quest, and in like 45-50 mins, everything is dead. You could even populate the river south with war galleys to kill so many villagers crossing the shallows.

    • @jacobparkergk12ne
      @jacobparkergk12ne Год назад

      Just sitting here wandering how the conversation of how the commander at that spot of the great wall of China let nomads make the wall there's will go over

  • @erkocab
    @erkocab 4 года назад

    I tried this more than a few times without success. I could never quite manage the time constraints. Finally decided to go all in on building my initial houses, docks and TC on the Jin island, and simultaneously sending the surviving scouts to get the bombards from the second engineers base. By the time I was ready to castle up the bombards were back with my main force and I could use those to knockout the towers and gate. Only drawback is that until you can access the gold mines in the Jin base, you have to use gold only for absolutely necessary items, and trade food/wood for gold.

  • @Flababoo
    @Flababoo 2 года назад +1

    Great job, I watched both your attempts. I rather beat everything my own before watching other players. I beat this scenario on Hard, but to get this achievement I had to go standard to get some slack from the enemies, on standard at the start they would just attack my buildings and not my vils, that way I was able to boom quicker. I did something similar took 4 vils to Jin's island but I didn't know about the two boars, so I got the other two vils back to Mongolia and built a mill between the two large bushes, once in castle I built another TC there as well, but I'm just no that good at booming, I was only on 2 tc and took me too long even in standard. I started the attack at 35 minute mark, at 40 minute mark I was just past the first gate/towers (I also had brought the bcs from blue), once I saw 40min on the clock I just rushed my mangudai and ca and started killing vils losing a lot to towers and chukonu, but luckily the blacksmiths were never deleted and I could stop it, but I just defeated it by 55min mark

  • @amestrisgone
    @amestrisgone 3 года назад +1

    I just got the achievement, i started my base at the north of jin, in a spot where theres boar, I took the ship from the engineers and mongolia to get my economy going then basically spammed trash units protecting the bombard canons

  • @ivaninkret2784
    @ivaninkret2784 4 года назад +2

    set rams to aggresive and patrol them to clean all buildings

  • @d3yv96
    @d3yv96 Год назад

    Comento en español ya que mi ingles no es muy bueno. Despues de intentarlo como 10 veces y habiendo visto los 2 videos de TWest, por fin pude obtener el logro. Lo hice de forma parecida a la del video, colocando el TC cerca de los 2 jabalies, luego construi una herreria y una galeria de tiro y pasé a Castillos (no sin antes construir un mercado y vender madera y comida para tener los 200 de oro para avanzar). Al pasar de edad construí un castillo cerca de las 2 torres más cercanas junto a la mina de oro dentro de la muralla. Derribé las 2 torres y rompí el muro con el ariete inicial. Acto seguido construi otro TC cerca de la mina de oro dentro del muro, y con una combinacion de arietes, piqueros y mangudais logré interrumpir su economia a la vez que enfrentaba a sus chu ko nus y caballeros (ellos ya estaban en Imperial). Luego detecte que constryeron un tc afuera de la muralla y construi otro casrtillo cerca para derribarlo, matar sus aldeanos y finalmente obligarlos a retirarse. Thanks you TWest!

  • @mostimacleaningservice5959
    @mostimacleaningservice5959 2 года назад

    I build my base in Jin's island, rush castle age, build a castle and archery range in front of their gate
    Then I train lots of calvary archer, about 20, use ram and magonel to burst the gate. I lure their knight and kill them 1 by 1
    Then I just camp their town centre, kill every villager and eventually they resigned

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe Год назад +1

    I can't read the top bar. Did he have 100+ villagers?

    • @T-West
      @T-West  Год назад +1

      The pop limit for this scenario in DE is 150, and I had 125 max vils according to the achievements screen at the end.

    • @okrajoe
      @okrajoe Год назад +1

      @@T-West Thanks. I thought it was a big crowd!

  • @kaponeboss8914
    @kaponeboss8914 3 года назад

    When i first time i comleted this mission i got achivment i didnt even know there is i traposrted all my troops to island and i transported bombards so i build base on island i went to castle age to build castle and i used monks to convert jin knights so knights could protect bombard cannons

  • @emilyding2496
    @emilyding2496 4 года назад +4

    T-West, was it really necessary to tear down the Great Wall? Like honestly?

  • @hbarudi
    @hbarudi 3 года назад

    ? I usually take everything and go live entirely on the jin island and if I take their resources early enough and reach castle age and handle their few knights and cho ko nu, I could end up beating them early enough and also bring over the bombard cannons to finish the job. With me in their area, I would then be able to get to post imperial age on their island and trade with their market for lots of gold and then I can go to fight the other 3 enemies and avoid all their troops while building up.

  • @HadouGun
    @HadouGun 2 года назад

    I still haven't done this Achievement because it requires starting from Feudal Age, 5 other Achievements require building up first.

  • @emilyding2496
    @emilyding2496 4 года назад +1

    T-west, was it really necessary to destroy half of the Great Wall? You destroyed 2 wonders!

  • @PhoenixAlaris93
    @PhoenixAlaris93 2 года назад

    Honestly, Into China used to be my least favorite mission due to the fact Jin built a Wonder. But when you defeat them, you're free to pace yourself

  • @silvanmoses9122
    @silvanmoses9122 4 года назад +4

    only 0.5% of people have this achievement and i am one of them :)

  • @raffilevy2029
    @raffilevy2029 4 года назад +6

    Haha what are the chances that 2 min after I watch the old one you upload an updated one

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +2

      Pretty good actually, this achievement seems to be one of the more popular ones!

  • @gothicsage955
    @gothicsage955 2 года назад

    I moved everything over to north of jin, and beat them under 40 minutes and didn't get the achievement... happened like a year ago.

  • @serenedreemurr
    @serenedreemurr 2 года назад

    I don't know what was happening when I was trying this one. I tried this on hard, and I loaded all my units on Jin island and dropped a castle right outside their walls, they might or might not be suppressed by that since after that they just kept sending units to die under my castle, but I didn't see them building wonders even at 50 minutes. I thought I was safe as I already have massed Mangudais near where their Blacksmith was, and then they just decided to surprise me by building it at outside the wall. I was playing on Casual (1.5x) so I wonder if that interferes with this, but honestly I think it will always trigger at 40 minutes regardless or speed.

  • @max3932
    @max3932 3 года назад +1

    Guys it does not give me the trophey when i kill them beffore destroing their blacksmiths.Can someone say to me what i need to do to fix this pls?

    • @T-West
      @T-West  3 года назад +1

      Scenario achievements in DE have been broken for about 2 months now, ever since the anniversary "patch". The only thing you can do is wait for an update to fix them, unfortunately. :'(

  • @MrTharedo
    @MrTharedo 3 года назад +1

    they build that wonder now after 24 minutes -.-

    • @T-West
      @T-West  3 года назад +2

      Oh, are you measuring that using the in game clock (press F11 to display it). Normal speed is 1.7x, and 24 * 1.7 = 40.8.

    • @MrTharedo
      @MrTharedo 3 года назад

      @@T-West actualy im just reading the time on my watch bro xD

    • @MrTharedo
      @MrTharedo 3 года назад +1

      @@T-West ah got it now^^

  • @julianxamo7835
    @julianxamo7835 4 года назад

    I defeated Jin before they destroyed the blacksmiths and it didn't trigger the achievement :(

  • @mogeeoh
    @mogeeoh 4 года назад +2

    Does getting rid of outposts have an effect on the AI?

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +5

      I believe it effects their scouting, so they won't know you have units in those areas. I'm not 100% sure, though, what the exact effect is.

  • @DamirSakic-qm3db
    @DamirSakic-qm3db 4 месяца назад

    I excited

  • @hubertszczesniak4534
    @hubertszczesniak4534 4 года назад

    Could you play Leo Loi Campaign - The Dai Viet Uprising (mission 1) and defeat all enemies?

  • @robinhoodlumberjack1748
    @robinhoodlumberjack1748 4 года назад +1

    hey
    May i ask a funny and practical question?
    can we achieve an achievement after modifying it in the scenario editor?
    i just wanna know, for sure. :)

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +1

      I haven't tried, but I don't think so, since the Achievement Effect is blank.

  • @matys6760
    @matys6760 3 года назад +1

    Yo, T-West. I've been watching your videos depicting ways to unlock the rare AOE 2 achievements, for example, 'I was in China Before'. I analysed your way of expanding into Jin's territory, I checked the time stamps for the particular transitions etc. I play on Hard, of course. I've tried so far 5 or 6 times to unlock this achievement they way you do, but I've always been a couple of minutes too late. It looks like playing as fast as you do in your gampley is impossible for me. I seem to be unable to build up my eco and army before the 30th minute mark like you showed in your video. You have a huge army and a huge economy past the 30th mintues, while I struggle to keep up with everything. I try to spam vills, build multiple TCs and even a defensive Castle. Everythings seems to be not good enough. Do you have any tips for noobs like me? Or are the rare achievements unavailable for the likes of me? Beating the game on easier difficulty levels isn't quite up my alley, because I'm quite ambitious. I'm starting to feel, though, that I don't have the necessary speed to do so.
    I'd apprecaite your reply. Thanks.
    I have tried several times again, but the fact is that I have to face the 'painful' truth that the rare achievements in this game, when set to Hard, are restricted to a bunch of talented players (like yourself). The rest of us has to concede with lowering down the difficulty or skipping the achievements.

    • @T-West
      @T-West  3 года назад +2

      You could always try using pauses and saves to practice a few times before going for the achievement all at once.

    • @matys6760
      @matys6760 3 года назад +1

      @@T-West Thank you, man. This is what I needed - the pauses. I've finally managed to unlock the achievement. This is a proof that I am unable to fathom everything that is happening on the screen at once.
      You've no idea how freaking happy and satisfied I am!

    • @Flababoo
      @Flababoo 2 года назад

      I got you, I beat this scenario on Hard, but for the achievement after some attempts I had to go standard, I'm also ambitious but I'm satisfied since the scenario itself I'm able to beat. For other achievements like Saladin's 6 and Barbarossa's 3 I was able to grab on hard, but not this one, this is one has a time constraint that is way too short. I might try this again using T-wests strat here, but I might go to the bc asap

  • @ollienufc
    @ollienufc 4 года назад +1

    how are you so zoomed out, i swear my game does not let me do it so much. can anybody enlighten me? cheers

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +2

      The zoom is tied to your screen resolution, and I use a 1440p monitor. I also set the interface size to the lowest value (75%), which may make it appear to be more zoomed out than it really is.

    • @ollienufc
      @ollienufc 4 года назад

      @@T-West ah I see, thanks very much for the reply and keep up the good work!

  • @synka5922
    @synka5922 4 года назад

    is that the games original music? I didnt hear that track before (at the start)

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад

      I think it's the remastered version for DE.

  • @yutt01
    @yutt01 4 года назад

    I'm curious... how do you manage to get the campaign maps into the editor for Def Edition? Is it a download/file drop from the community workshop?

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +6

      You just need to copy and paste the campaign files in to the right folders, and the game will extract the scenarios for you. I have a tutorial on how to do it: ruclips.net/video/_ZblfswyBNA/видео.html

  • @josuecracknoob4650
    @josuecracknoob4650 4 года назад

    Como le hiciste para el mapa de la mision 3 de genghis khan??

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +1

      I think this is what you're asking: ruclips.net/video/_ZblfswyBNA/видео.html

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu Год назад

    I hate campaign updates. I wouldn't mind the Poles and such replacing the Slaves or the AI being updated if it did not alter the campaign.

  • @raffilevy2029
    @raffilevy2029 4 года назад

    How are you able to see the code for the game in VS Code?

    • @T-West
      @T-West  4 года назад +5

      When you launch a scenario, the AI scripts are loaded in the temp folder %localappdata%\Temp\AOE2DE_Temp

  • @septiawanrizky1013
    @septiawanrizky1013 5 месяцев назад

    This achievement is ez to get, but not ez for me to speedrun. Coz I've found perfect place to build a kingdom.🤣🤣
    1:34 I still dont understand how to use AI Signal. Like, wut will they do if I give AI Signal 1, 2, etc.

    • @T-West
      @T-West  5 месяцев назад +1

      I really didn't understand the AI signal either.

    • @septiawanrizky1013
      @septiawanrizky1013 5 месяцев назад

      @@T-West 🤣

  • @Saniraf808
    @Saniraf808 3 года назад

    My count down was at 25 mins, not 40, there is some BS on this achievement

    • @T-West
      @T-West  3 года назад +2

      Make sure to use the in-game clock (press F11), it runs faster than "real" time.

    • @Saniraf808
      @Saniraf808 3 года назад

      @@T-West I turned it on, and did it in 20. Super stressful, but your video helped, thank you.

  • @endlessgalaxyz
    @endlessgalaxyz Год назад

    f this mission bro lmao i'm not doin this

    • @endlessgalaxyz
      @endlessgalaxyz Год назад

      ok i pussied out and did it on standard with your strategy the towers didnt shoot outside the wall cause of it got him out the game before the wonder