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@@HumanCatfoodDispenser I wonder if you’ve tried looking for purely chemical sunscreen. I’ve heard of sone Asian ones working for people with sensitive skin but they can be a bit expensive.
@@HumanCatfoodDispenser definitely look into Asian or European sunscreens. Purely chemical sunscreens formulated in those areas are made with new UV filters that are more advanced and are less likely to cause sensitivity. INCI decoder (you may already know, but it does not hurt to mention) has ingredients list of most products that you find online, as it can sometimes be hard to find.
@@oliviaspring9690 a lot of purely chemical sunscreens aren't allowed in bodies of water. As the weather gets nicer I'll start doing a close read of ingredient labels again.
The talk of guano maybe being in makeup reminds me of nightingale poo as a cosmetic treatment. It's apparently a traditional Japanese way to even skin tone, though I've heard these from secondary or tertiary sources. As for fish scales in makeup, my sister in law was hesitant to use lipstick once she heard scales were an ingredient. I reminded her she eats bee vomit. Then she had to be reminded where honey comes from.
CNN had an interesting report a few months ago on skin lightening products and how many of them contain mercury. The mercury is not listed as an ingredient, but random samples tested by researchers were found to have mercury levels that were way beyond what is legally considered to be safe. The article pointed out that the FDA does not have the resources to regularly test every cosmetic brand being imported into the US to make sure that the ingredients listed are actually what is in the product.
I've seen people make a recreation of an old Lead Ceruse recipe from the early 1800s and a lead-free version from the same time period, and honestly under candlelight the lead formulation was just gloriously luminous and the safe version was rather grey and oily looking. The difference was so clear that it was honestly easy to believe that some women would have risked it in order to present the 'right' image and to try and climb the social and financial ladder. (The series was Make-up: A Glamorous History, a very interesting watch.)
But it is unlikely most women wearing it would do so all the time. Was this the BBC programme taking cosmetics from the 18th, mid-19th centuries and the 1920s?
@@kikidevine694 Yes, it was at that point considered something of an outlier for women to wear it frequently - like wearing sky-high heels today, I suppose. That's sounds like the same programme - it covered Georgian, early Victorian and Flapper beauty trends.
Erin Parsons, makeup historian, said they knew lead was dangerous even back in Ancient Greece, but people still wore it for centuries. One of her commenters mentioned that accounts say that it looked luminous in candlelight, which might have been part of the reason its use persisted so long despite having lots of competition. Her videos frequently include disclaimers because her recreations or even antique products include dangerous ingredients or processes that aren't lead. That said, she's also shown some amazing uses of simple substances like burnt cork, candle soot, water, oil, and, IIRC, rose petals.
There is indeed a long history of humans doing potentially dangerous things because they thought it was worth it! But a lot of the old ingredients are harmless indeed. The biggest problem with me, say, using a burnt clove to do my eyebrows, is that it would be the wrong color 🤣
I wonder too if people would maybe sometimes use the risky lead makeup for extra-special occasions when they really wanted to look luminous but wear something lead-free other times. People self-regulate as part of managing risk.
Wait… that’s a thing people actually bemoan? I mean, I’m not a chemist or anything, but to layman me, that seems like a pretty bad plan. Lol. While I’m sure there are means to ameliorate the risk, a diy setting with no means of testing the result seems like, not the brightest idea? Cyanide (or amygdalin) is legit the the first thing that comes to mind when people start spouting that “natural is always better / always safer” shit.
@@Sousyned There is no safe way to make almond extract/flavoring at home. I've still seen people online suggest people try it, with sweet almonds, peach pits (zero waste! 🙃) and bitter almonds. Even if they acknowledge it contains poison, their reasoning seems to be "you're only using a teaspoon for an entire cake". I'm sure grandma will feel the same when it interferes with her medication. /s
People who say that somehow don't realize that led is natural as are a lot of poison. Belladonna is natural but you probably shouldn't put it your eyes to make them dialate.
Natural is definitely always better. If you're using natural ingredients to poison someone, you can claim it was an accident because the internet was wrong about something being safe! /s
Brilliant video! Love this collaboration. My biggest complaint in modern cosmetics is the "hypoallergenic" label. A vast majority of these products contain Shea butter, which is highly allergenic to many people. If you are allergic or sensitive to latex, there's a good likelihood that you are also sensitive/allergic to Shea butter and argan oil. So I have to read the labels on everything; lotion, body wash, hand soap, sanitizer, shampoo, conditioner, etc.
Hypoallergenic is definitely a term that gets used for slippery language! Human beings can be allergic to literally anything. Companies use "hypoallergenic" as if it means "allergen-proof" when they really ought to be saying "free from common allergens".
Nice collab >:3 I still remember a fairly recent time when some cosmetic advertised about how it contained ~plant DNA~ like first of all that DNA isn't gonna do anything to your skin but also you'd better HOPE it doesn't do anything??? Like what are you supposed to hope here, that it gets through the top layer and your cells start transcribing and translating plant proteins? I never got what the marketing pitch there was supposed to be beyond "uwu plants pure and healthy"
Oh goodness that's a new level of ridiculous. I wonder how the "plant DNA" thing went over with the crowd who thought the Covid vaccine would "edit your genes"
I recommend the educational video of fellow fashion historian Karolina Zebrowska explaining how most beauty standards are stupid. There is a reason why being yourself is very important and there is no need to necessarily follow societal standards of physical appearances.
Fun fact: the Ancient Romans even knew lead makeup was bad for you. Ovid wrote in one of his poems about how women were poisoning the men when they had "relations" while wearing lead makeup. There has also been finds of titanium dioxide based makeup in Roman Britian that was made with animal fats.
By the way, I believe long before the FDA, even before the medieval rules set by the guilds (like the rules for beer brewing in several German towns since the 14th century), there are the Jewish and later the Muslim laws of what was kosher or halal to eat.
oh my god the microbeads thing... I refused to use them before they were banned and were popular because I thought 'hold on that's miniature bits of plastic going down the sink... no thanks' and I got in trouble because my mother would only buy me the ones with microbeads in them for a while because she thought it'd get ride of my acne like I was fourteen nothing was gonna get rid of it then lol
I feel like microbeads will not clear your skin no matter what age you are! They're only good as an abrasive, which might scrub away dead skin but that's rarely the whole issue.
As an aquatic scientist I can say the microbeads were killing the fish, they weren't filtered out during water treatment and got into rivers and the ocean. The problem was that due to their small size they became tiny points that could absorb toxins that the fish then ate, unintentionally. The other problem is bio-accumulation, you end up with filter feeders becoming toxic from the beads and then being eaten by bigger predators.
I found a bottle in an antique store with the label still on it. It was called "Ms. Endicot's Herbal Tincture" and claimed to be a cure all for various skin ailments, including rashes, bug bites, and scrapes. It said "Guaranteed Pure", but of course exactly what was "pure" was not made clear. It is a great teaching tool about the movement to have such regulations put in place.
The collaboration we needed and didn't know it Yay! I hadn't realized how similar your voices and approaches were but you create a excellent combined presentation Irish dancing???????
It probably helped that by the time we shot this, we'd been sitting in my house hiding from torrential rainstorms for a week 🤣 We did indeed go Irish dancing at a local event, though!
I've actually taken sulfanilamides for infections, due to a penicillin allergy! It was in pill form, but I'm just as glad it didn't have anything that killed me in it. I have a dark spot on my face due to missing a spot with my sunscreen over 20 years ago. None of the dark spot faders I've tried have worked so far, & now I'm old enough that it probably looks like an age spot, but I got it in my 30s! So much for hydroquinone... I'm an inveterate label reader. I've used food grade oils from health food stores on my body & hair at times when I thought that would work better. I've even used cornstarch from the grocery as body powder. But what do I know; I also wear corsets! I believe the chemicals used in some hair dyes are still coal tar derived, but they're not SUPPOSED to be as bad for people as some previous coal tar derived chemicals. I guess maybe in 20 years we'll know?
I love the Dr. Harvey Wiley shoutout! I've watched his PBS documentary loads of times. I'd love to see a video about Fanny Farmer, though. I haven't heard much about her campaigning
I just wanted to add that even in countries with regulations it’s still possible to order cosmetics that contain lead and other dangerous ingredients from sites like eBay or Wish.
I like the fact that you do touch the "all natural" subject a little bit. It's a generally spread missconception that "all natural" means absolutly safe. Not the case, some of the most potent toxines are all natural. Perhaps "all natural" is the next subject? By the way, great collab. Love U
This was a great collab! While I generally don't use makeup, it's still interesting to hear about. I still remember finding out as a child that red lipstick had lice in it (Cochineal) and being grossed out. 😅
The main problem with cochineal is that it can trigger allergic reactions in people who are allergic to crustaceans (cochineals aren't crustaceans, but they contain very similar proteins and can therefore trigger the same allergy).
Importantly though, not the lice most of us probably think of when we read that word. It’s from a “wood lice” that lives on cacti in Mexico and the southwestern US. It’s more akin to a beetle, especially in size.
this reminds me that I was going through some of my belongings (books mostly) and found my 1895 'living pictures sketchbook' which, since it was essentially a magazine, has ads in the back. one of them is for arsenic wafers and it says 'helps with developing areas which need development'. but anyway I personally blame mainstream historical documentaries for pushing the narrative people in the past only used poisonous things for beauty as a way of making modern people seem better for not doing that, and honestly, how do we know that something that's common in makeup today isn't awful for you?
It's fun trying to find cosmetics and things like sunscreen when one is autistic with sensitive skin. Scent sensitivities are high on my list, but also primarily stuff that won't make me break out.
In my experience (I’m also autistic) those two criteria tend to overlap, which is helpful. Sunscreen is hard though, because the active ingredients seem to have a scent of their own (you know that distinctive sunscreen smell) so even unscented isn’t the kindest to my olfactory system.
It's interesting that it started in the USA, because now, at least with food and my allergies, the USA is worse for weird additives. I think a lot of it is due to disagreements in what is harmful and what isn't. It's also interesting to note that regulations with online privacy, the USA writes those privacy policies and terms of use for websites and software to protect the company, where in Canada, they're made to be read by users so they understand it. I wonder if that applies to cosmetics and other things too. Are the regulations to protect the company from being sued, or to actually protect the user from things that might cause reactions? For example, talc has been shown to cause issues and Canada says it's harmful, but the FDA says it's safe.
I would like to point out the hole in the ozone layer was medigated because arisoles were regulated. Currently, there is no hole in the ozone laywer. Climate change on the other hand is still a real threat.
That's a common misconception, there is actually still a 'hole' in the ozone layer! It's just a lot smaller now. It was steadily shrinking for many years, because the regulations were helping, but unfortunately new data shows that the massive Australian bushfires in 2020 increased it again by about 10%.
As an Aussie, yeah, I can attest that there's still a hole in the ozone layer 😬 it's a lot easier to get sunburned these days, it's some hot shit 😒 It may be untrue but I've heard that it's not because Australia did the worst damage, but actually because the ozone tried to "fix" the layer above the biggest problem areas by shifting it from ours, so thanks other countries 😊
Liz and V together? I'm watching no matter what the content is even if it was poop! Oh wait, Liz mentioned guano in the first few seconds! Brilliant! LoL!
Great video. Very informative. Some of the information from the past I knew, but this was a deeper dive than I've done. And I learned that sunscreen is a cosmetic AND a drug. Rabbit holes are fun...I hope you'll keep going into them. :-)
I'm sorry but also PLEASE YES DO I love my viewers and do not want them getting infections. This is why I buy cheap mascara, because I know I'll be tossing it every 3 months.
Last year I scanned an article on makeup shelf-life and realised I hadn't worn any of my makeup since 5 months *before* the pandemic. It all went into the trash. I haven't replaced any of it yet, and have no plans to (I wear make up *maybe* twice a year).
it's a big tangeant from your topic but the teacups reminded me of the radium glassware from the 20s and 30s: how dangerous are they exactly, because most people tell to stay as far away as those (for obvious reason) but i found a few people mention that they are safe to handle as long as it doesn't break (then the glass dust -sand?- would be harmful, like arsenic tinted stuff is not harmful until it desintegrade etc) are there any way to accuire foodgrade glow in the dark glassware because they looked really cool and i kinda want a historical/sci-fi/fantasy looking service but poisoning myself and all of my loved ones in the most gruesome way possible might not be worth the "pretty" (the details of the radium girls' deaths still haunt my thoughts)
The radium girls got sick because they were licking their paint brushes literally ingesting the toxic substance. Many things that are toxic are only dangerous if ingested or inhaled and often only from ongoing repeated exposure.
@@RR4711 Yes, but I think their question is more "Would it be safe to eat/drink off of these items" as in "are they shedding trace amounts of radium into everything put inside/on top of them"
Do you mean uranium glass? It’s _probably_ safe to use on rare occasions, but I I wouldn’t want to use it every day, because the more worn such things get the more likely it is that small particles detach and get into your food or drink.
I actually own a couple of 1930s vaseline glass teacups! I don't really use them for drinking out of (unlike the rest of the antique teacup collection), but they look pretty on the shelf. So they stay thee until I find some light green glass ones that are safe for regular use.
Two of my favourite youtubers! Together! :D Isn't there still coal tar in dandruff shampoos? If coal tar is bad in mascara, I wonder if it's bad to get the shampoo in your eyes? And away down the research rabbit hole I go!
I've used coal tar glycerine soap to clear up skin things and like anything, don't get it in your eyes. Last time I went looking for it, it wasn't on the shelf so maybe they don't make it anymore... the minty tingly dandruff shampoo didn't have but really REALLY needed a warning about not getting it in the eyes, owie. Glad I don't need shampoo anymore.
I had been using dandruff shampoo and switched to just using witch hazel in my hair. Then my skin cleared up. A month and a half later I used the dandruff shampoo again, and broke out a few days later. So while 1 person isn't a good sample size, perhaps dandruff shampoo isn't good for your skin in general.
@@sarahr8311 best thing I ever did for my hair was quit using shampoo entirely about a decade ago, now I don't get an itchy scalp or dandruff. It's not for everyone, but it's the healthiest my hair has ever been in my life. Even after colouring it, I have fewer split ends and a longer ultimate length than when I used shampoo and didn't colour.
Thank you! I love your work! Thank you!!! And I mean, our regulations are still not great. :( So I am allergic to non-top 8 allergies and they still do not have to tell you what is in your food, what is "flavors?" and I have found "base" ingredients like meat that is meat and "flavor." I still have trouble getting safe food. And then I am allergic to the same food stuff in perfumes. And if I died it would be "my fault" because I didn't "CoOk FrOm ScRaTcH" even if it is completely impractical and abelist. So it is interesting to know this is a history thing
I like that you comment on the fact that 'natural' doesn't mean safe. If a product/ingredient is potent enough to cause an effect on the human body, then it is totally capable of causing the same level of side effects/reactions/drug interactions as its pharmaceutical alternative! .........(looking at you St John's Wort etc)
There's a series of videos, documentaries called the "silent killers" where they talk about the led on paint and even the corset situation. Unfortunately they don't mention how often that would happen so you can take it as a "everyone" was putting led on their faces
When you have the weirdest allergies on earth and you still have to freak out about Polyethylene Glycol, and Propylene Glycol... because highly allergic it it 🤣
I still remember when I bought a "magical" moisturizer from a very famous American brand back in the years and no ingredient list was provided. It just went on trust on the brand. Unfortunately it didn't moisturize my skin, it just made it slick and oily. The more I put the more my skin felt weird and broke out. I went back to the corner and told the SA that their cream was giving me problems and she went on a rant about how good their brand was and how "pure" and controlled it was, maybe the problem was my skin or I did not scrub enough before using the cream or I did not put it only when needed or I massaged instead of patting. Many years later I discovered that the magical moisturizer was all about mineral oil (liquid paraffin) which is a big no-no for my skin and it's not even a moisturizing ingredient to start with, but she was right: my skin was the problem and the brand was perfect because mineral oil doesn't kill.
Oh, wait, you're supposed to change out your mascara? Thanks for the info! *may or may not have been using the same mascara for approximately the last 5 years*
Re: Lash Lure and coal tar -- coal tar derivatives show up all over the place, from the original formulations for mauve clothes dye to artificial vanilla flavouring.. To this day, artificial vanilla flavouring is made of petrochemicals.
With the bread anecdote.. how would one test the “purity” of bread? Put it in water? Eat it? Toast it? What else was in there, if it wasn’t 100% bread?? Sawdust?
One of the reasons why women used to paint their faces so heavily are the smallpox epidemics. Queen Elisabeth I almost died of smallpox, and afterwards her face was severely scarred by smallpoxmarks. The first attempts to prevent the disease with inoculation were made in China in the 15th century. From there the method spread to India and Turkey. In the 18 th century, vaccination was brought from Turkey to England by the wife of the British Ambassador. But smallpox inoculation was still dangerous and painful, until Dr. Jenner found a safer vaccine at the end of the 18th century. Much more people got vaccinated once it was safer and more successful. Once smallpox stopped leaving their marks on peoples faces, ladies could stop pasting it and just put a light puder. Finally, in 1973 smallpox was eradicated worldwide. And we dont have do deal with it anymore.
Does Native actually work for people? A lot of my favorite RUclipsrs have been getting sponsorships from them, but when I've tried to use them in the past they do absolutely nothing to help with either odor or sweating. I know it's not meant to be strong, but it gets overpowered so easily when I've used it.
I love your channel and this video was very interesting. Nevertheless, I take exception to your pronouncement that capitalism is to blame for poisonous food additives. It certainly can be, but so can other economic systems. In 1983 a prominent purveyor of comestibles in Moscow was sentenced to death by a Soviet court in part because of "commission of various illegal machinations with food products.''. Sad to say, if there's a profit to be made by adding harmful substances to items we consume, some people will do it, regardless of the economic system.
There are things you can buy now that are absolutely nothing like rags, but are marketed as reusable cleaning cloths. You can find them by looking up "reusae paper towel" or "Swedish dish towel". I honestly don't know how to describe them except "not rags".
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being somebody that get allergic reaction to titanium dioxid makes reading labels really fun. it feels like it's in everything.
I can do titanium dioxide but not zinc oxide. It makes finding sunscreen. . . .challenging.
@@HumanCatfoodDispenser I wonder if you’ve tried looking for purely chemical sunscreen. I’ve heard of sone Asian ones working for people with sensitive skin but they can be a bit expensive.
@@HumanCatfoodDispenser definitely look into Asian or European sunscreens. Purely chemical sunscreens formulated in those areas are made with new UV filters that are more advanced and are less likely to cause sensitivity. INCI decoder (you may already know, but it does not hurt to mention) has ingredients list of most products that you find online, as it can sometimes be hard to find.
@@oliviaspring9690 a lot of purely chemical sunscreens aren't allowed in bodies of water. As the weather gets nicer I'll start doing a close read of ingredient labels again.
The talk of guano maybe being in makeup reminds me of nightingale poo as a cosmetic treatment. It's apparently a traditional Japanese way to even skin tone, though I've heard these from secondary or tertiary sources.
As for fish scales in makeup, my sister in law was hesitant to use lipstick once she heard scales were an ingredient. I reminded her she eats bee vomit. Then she had to be reminded where honey comes from.
Unless she's very allergic to fish, fish scales in lipstick are completely unproblematic.
I can see them being an issue for people who avoid all animal products, but not really otherwise.
CNN had an interesting report a few months ago on skin lightening products and how many of them contain mercury. The mercury is not listed as an ingredient, but random samples tested by researchers were found to have mercury levels that were way beyond what is legally considered to be safe. The article pointed out that the FDA does not have the resources to regularly test every cosmetic brand being imported into the US to make sure that the ingredients listed are actually what is in the product.
And that’s why international labelling (and also safety) standards are important, so that countries can trust each other’s regulations.
Urgh, if I even start on skin-lightening products I would be here for hours!
I've seen people make a recreation of an old Lead Ceruse recipe from the early 1800s and a lead-free version from the same time period, and honestly under candlelight the lead formulation was just gloriously luminous and the safe version was rather grey and oily looking. The difference was so clear that it was honestly easy to believe that some women would have risked it in order to present the 'right' image and to try and climb the social and financial ladder.
(The series was Make-up: A Glamorous History, a very interesting watch.)
But it is unlikely most women wearing it would do so all the time. Was this the BBC programme taking cosmetics from the 18th, mid-19th centuries and the 1920s?
@@kikidevine694 Yes, it was at that point considered something of an outlier for women to wear it frequently - like wearing sky-high heels today, I suppose. That's sounds like the same programme - it covered Georgian, early Victorian and Flapper beauty trends.
I'm going to have to watch this, since the 18th and 19thC books I've seen say that the newer pigments give better colors!
Erin Parsons, makeup historian, said they knew lead was dangerous even back in Ancient Greece, but people still wore it for centuries. One of her commenters mentioned that accounts say that it looked luminous in candlelight, which might have been part of the reason its use persisted so long despite having lots of competition. Her videos frequently include disclaimers because her recreations or even antique products include dangerous ingredients or processes that aren't lead. That said, she's also shown some amazing uses of simple substances like burnt cork, candle soot, water, oil, and, IIRC, rose petals.
There is indeed a long history of humans doing potentially dangerous things because they thought it was worth it! But a lot of the old ingredients are harmless indeed. The biggest problem with me, say, using a burnt clove to do my eyebrows, is that it would be the wrong color 🤣
I wonder too if people would maybe sometimes use the risky lead makeup for extra-special occasions when they really wanted to look luminous but wear something lead-free other times. People self-regulate as part of managing risk.
Tapeworms are natural, but I don't think I want them as part of my weight loss regimen.
Can I just say how much I love that you didn't demonize silicones?? It's such a small moment, but it made me so happy!!
For sure! My hair hates them, but they're great for a lot of straighter-haired people, and can be really useful in skin products.
OK, so now I'm going to need a historical crime drama where V and Lizcapism are sisters who have an interest in science and solve crimes.
I'm game if she is :D
"Natural is always better" is a thing I hear from people who bemoan that I don't make my own bitter almond extract.
Wait… that’s a thing people actually bemoan?
I mean, I’m not a chemist or anything, but to layman me, that seems like a pretty bad plan. Lol. While I’m sure there are means to ameliorate the risk, a diy setting with no means of testing the result seems like, not the brightest idea?
Cyanide (or amygdalin) is legit the the first thing that comes to mind when people start spouting that “natural is always better / always safer” shit.
@@Sousyned There is no safe way to make almond extract/flavoring at home. I've still seen people online suggest people try it, with sweet almonds, peach pits (zero waste! 🙃) and bitter almonds. Even if they acknowledge it contains poison, their reasoning seems to be "you're only using a teaspoon for an entire cake".
I'm sure grandma will feel the same when it interferes with her medication. /s
People who say that somehow don't realize that led is natural as are a lot of poison. Belladonna is natural but you probably shouldn't put it your eyes to make them dialate.
Natural is definitely always better. If you're using natural ingredients to poison someone, you can claim it was an accident because the internet was wrong about something being safe! /s
Yeah when people say "the dose makes the poison" I'm pretty sure they are not saying "intentionally put poison in a cake!"
Was just debunking this nonsense at work today! Working in an apothecary museum is weird. The last vs present pull is such a thing.
Brilliant video! Love this collaboration.
My biggest complaint in modern cosmetics is the "hypoallergenic" label. A vast majority of these products contain Shea butter, which is highly allergenic to many people. If you are allergic or sensitive to latex, there's a good likelihood that you are also sensitive/allergic to Shea butter and argan oil. So I have to read the labels on everything; lotion, body wash, hand soap, sanitizer, shampoo, conditioner, etc.
Hypoallergenic is definitely a term that gets used for slippery language! Human beings can be allergic to literally anything. Companies use "hypoallergenic" as if it means "allergen-proof" when they really ought to be saying "free from common allergens".
Not to mention shea and argan are both tree nuts
Thank you! Latex - contact dematitis allergic here.
Nice collab >:3
I still remember a fairly recent time when some cosmetic advertised about how it contained ~plant DNA~ like first of all that DNA isn't gonna do anything to your skin but also you'd better HOPE it doesn't do anything??? Like what are you supposed to hope here, that it gets through the top layer and your cells start transcribing and translating plant proteins? I never got what the marketing pitch there was supposed to be beyond "uwu plants pure and healthy"
I'm imagining a poison ivy based product advertised as "all natural, plant based way to ad a rosy touch to the skin."
@@saraquill pretty much! Poison ivy is plant based and bombs kill cancer cells, technically.
@@saraquill the interesting thing with poison ivy is that not everyone even reacts to it
Oh goodness that's a new level of ridiculous. I wonder how the "plant DNA" thing went over with the crowd who thought the Covid vaccine would "edit your genes"
@@saraquill 🤣😆😆
I recommend the educational video of fellow fashion historian Karolina Zebrowska explaining how most beauty standards are stupid. There is a reason why being yourself is very important and there is no need to necessarily follow societal standards of physical appearances.
Fun fact: the Ancient Romans even knew lead makeup was bad for you. Ovid wrote in one of his poems about how women were poisoning the men when they had "relations" while wearing lead makeup. There has also been finds of titanium dioxide based makeup in Roman Britian that was made with animal fats.
By the way, I believe long before the FDA, even before the medieval rules set by the guilds (like the rules for beer brewing in several German towns since the 14th century), there are the Jewish and later the Muslim laws of what was kosher or halal to eat.
oh my god the microbeads thing... I refused to use them before they were banned and were popular because I thought 'hold on that's miniature bits of plastic going down the sink... no thanks' and I got in trouble because my mother would only buy me the ones with microbeads in them for a while because she thought it'd get ride of my acne like I was fourteen nothing was gonna get rid of it then lol
I feel like microbeads will not clear your skin no matter what age you are! They're only good as an abrasive, which might scrub away dead skin but that's rarely the whole issue.
As an aquatic scientist I can say the microbeads were killing the fish, they weren't filtered out during water treatment and got into rivers and the ocean. The problem was that due to their small size they became tiny points that could absorb toxins that the fish then ate, unintentionally. The other problem is bio-accumulation, you end up with filter feeders becoming toxic from the beads and then being eaten by bigger predators.
The polyethaline glycol paranoia is so funny because I have IBS and I literally consume polyethaline glycol as a medication lmao
All hail Miralax! IBS, um, solidarity haha 💩
I found a bottle in an antique store with the label still on it. It was called "Ms. Endicot's Herbal Tincture" and claimed to be a cure all for various skin ailments, including rashes, bug bites, and scrapes. It said "Guaranteed Pure", but of course exactly what was "pure" was not made clear. It is a great teaching tool about the movement to have such regulations put in place.
The collaboration we needed and didn't know it
Yay!
I hadn't realized how similar your voices and approaches were but you create a excellent combined presentation
Irish dancing???????
It probably helped that by the time we shot this, we'd been sitting in my house hiding from torrential rainstorms for a week 🤣 We did indeed go Irish dancing at a local event, though!
I've actually taken sulfanilamides for infections, due to a penicillin allergy! It was in pill form, but I'm just as glad it didn't have anything that killed me in it.
I have a dark spot on my face due to missing a spot with my sunscreen over 20 years ago. None of the dark spot faders I've tried have worked so far, & now I'm old enough that it probably looks like an age spot, but I got it in my 30s! So much for hydroquinone...
I'm an inveterate label reader. I've used food grade oils from health food stores on my body & hair at times when I thought that would work better. I've even used cornstarch from the grocery as body powder. But what do I know; I also wear corsets!
I believe the chemicals used in some hair dyes are still coal tar derived, but they're not SUPPOSED to be as bad for people as some previous coal tar derived chemicals. I guess maybe in 20 years we'll know?
I love the Dr. Harvey Wiley shoutout! I've watched his PBS documentary loads of times. I'd love to see a video about Fanny Farmer, though. I haven't heard much about her campaigning
We wanted to mention her because womens' contributions are historically glossed over a lot in favor of the male "leaders".
I could listen to Liz talk about cosmetic regulation history for hours! I hope she makes more content about this!
I just wanted to add that even in countries with regulations it’s still possible to order cosmetics that contain lead and other dangerous ingredients from sites like eBay or Wish.
Oh absolutely. Regulations can help, but they are far from bulletproof.
I like the fact that you do touch the "all natural" subject a little bit.
It's a generally spread missconception that "all natural" means absolutly safe.
Not the case, some of the most potent toxines are all natural.
Perhaps "all natural" is the next subject?
By the way, great collab.
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This was a great collab!
While I generally don't use makeup, it's still interesting to hear about. I still remember finding out as a child that red lipstick had lice in it (Cochineal) and being grossed out. 😅
The main problem with cochineal is that it can trigger allergic reactions in people who are allergic to crustaceans (cochineals aren't crustaceans, but they contain very similar proteins and can therefore trigger the same allergy).
Importantly though, not the lice most of us probably think of when we read that word. It’s from a “wood lice” that lives on cacti in Mexico and the southwestern US. It’s more akin to a beetle, especially in size.
I thought cochineal was from beetles or cockroaches which is why timtams are no longer kosher :-(
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Insects in general aren’t kosher, except possibly certain types of locusts.
@@ragnkja my mother used to say that on sukkot moths are kosher if they fly into your soup. (She was kidding. I've never eaten a moth.)
this reminds me that I was going through some of my belongings (books mostly) and found my 1895 'living pictures sketchbook' which, since it was essentially a magazine, has ads in the back. one of them is for arsenic wafers and it says 'helps with developing areas which need development'.
but anyway I personally blame mainstream historical documentaries for pushing the narrative people in the past only used poisonous things for beauty as a way of making modern people seem better for not doing that, and honestly, how do we know that something that's common in makeup today isn't awful for you?
It's fun trying to find cosmetics and things like sunscreen when one is autistic with sensitive skin. Scent sensitivities are high on my list, but also primarily stuff that won't make me break out.
In my experience (I’m also autistic) those two criteria tend to overlap, which is helpful. Sunscreen is hard though, because the active ingredients seem to have a scent of their own (you know that distinctive sunscreen smell) so even unscented isn’t the kindest to my olfactory system.
It's interesting that it started in the USA, because now, at least with food and my allergies, the USA is worse for weird additives. I think a lot of it is due to disagreements in what is harmful and what isn't.
It's also interesting to note that regulations with online privacy, the USA writes those privacy policies and terms of use for websites and software to protect the company, where in Canada, they're made to be read by users so they understand it. I wonder if that applies to cosmetics and other things too. Are the regulations to protect the company from being sued, or to actually protect the user from things that might cause reactions? For example, talc has been shown to cause issues and Canada says it's harmful, but the FDA says it's safe.
What an informative contextual companion to Kaz Rowe's new video
I love them!
I would like to point out the hole in the ozone layer was medigated because arisoles were regulated. Currently, there is no hole in the ozone laywer. Climate change on the other hand is still a real threat.
That's a common misconception, there is actually still a 'hole' in the ozone layer! It's just a lot smaller now. It was steadily shrinking for many years, because the regulations were helping, but unfortunately new data shows that the massive Australian bushfires in 2020 increased it again by about 10%.
@@sweetlorikeet well, fuck me... Out of all the bad news I watched today, this is the worst. Thanks for letting me know.
As an Aussie, yeah, I can attest that there's still a hole in the ozone layer 😬 it's a lot easier to get sunburned these days, it's some hot shit 😒
It may be untrue but I've heard that it's not because Australia did the worst damage, but actually because the ozone tried to "fix" the layer above the biggest problem areas by shifting it from ours, so thanks other countries 😊
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The atmosphere doesn’t care about country borders, and the upper atmosphere _really_ doesn’t care about them at all.
@@ragnkja oh absolutely, it just cares about trying to do it's damn job while humanity ruins everything at increasing speeds 🙄
It’s Liz!! It always sparks joy to see two brilliant ladies I adore and admire rant on nerdy topics at length. 10/10 Please do again.
Would that our travel budgets would allow us to do this more often!
Liz and V together? I'm watching no matter what the content is even if it was poop! Oh wait, Liz mentioned guano in the first few seconds! Brilliant! LoL!
Great video. Very informative. Some of the information from the past I knew, but this was a deeper dive than I've done. And I learned that sunscreen is a cosmetic AND a drug. Rabbit holes are fun...I hope you'll keep going into them. :-)
Nice to see Liz and you both presented an interesting dive in some beauty topics.
oh, hey, will you look at that! Two of my favorite CosTubers in one video.
::sits down to learn::
It hadn't occurred to me that some makeup had so short an expiration date. I am apparently now about to throw away all my makeup.
I'm sorry but also PLEASE YES DO I love my viewers and do not want them getting infections.
This is why I buy cheap mascara, because I know I'll be tossing it every 3 months.
@@SnappyDragon I wear it so rarely that I have lipsticks I bought in the 90s
Last year I scanned an article on makeup shelf-life and realised I hadn't worn any of my makeup since 5 months *before* the pandemic. It all went into the trash. I haven't replaced any of it yet, and have no plans to (I wear make up *maybe* twice a year).
@@margaretkaraba8161 Exactly. Haven't dyed my hair either. Pretty sure half the eyeshadows were never used.
Great info blast, at one time Mercury was ingested for various reasons but would we touch it now. Not even thermometers have it in now.
I recall reading a biography (I think) of Margot Fonteyn that mentioned they used black candle wax as mascara for stage performances
Do you mean the black bits of spent candle wicks? That's what I remember hearing, at least.
@@evonnagale3045 you may be right. It was a long time ago that I read the book
Yup, candle soot was a thing people would use on their eyelashes before the invention of mascara! Which was in 1880, IIRC.
@@SnappyDragon lampblack?
it's a big tangeant from your topic but the teacups reminded me of the radium glassware from the 20s and 30s: how dangerous are they exactly, because most people tell to stay as far away as those (for obvious reason) but i found a few people mention that they are safe to handle as long as it doesn't break (then the glass dust -sand?- would be harmful, like arsenic tinted stuff is not harmful until it desintegrade etc)
are there any way to accuire foodgrade glow in the dark glassware because they looked really cool and i kinda want a historical/sci-fi/fantasy looking service but poisoning myself and all of my loved ones in the most gruesome way possible might not be worth the "pretty" (the details of the radium girls' deaths still haunt my thoughts)
The radium girls got sick because they were licking their paint brushes literally ingesting the toxic substance. Many things that are toxic are only dangerous if ingested or inhaled and often only from ongoing repeated exposure.
@@RR4711 Yes, but I think their question is more "Would it be safe to eat/drink off of these items" as in "are they shedding trace amounts of radium into everything put inside/on top of them"
Do you mean uranium glass? It’s _probably_ safe to use on rare occasions, but I I wouldn’t want to use it every day, because the more worn such things get the more likely it is that small particles detach and get into your food or drink.
I actually own a couple of 1930s vaseline glass teacups! I don't really use them for drinking out of (unlike the rest of the antique teacup collection), but they look pretty on the shelf. So they stay thee until I find some light green glass ones that are safe for regular use.
Love a cross-over episode! You guys are both my favorites!
The main things that bother me in cosmetics are talc and titanium dioxide as well as paint pigments that I would typically use in watercolor.
Two of my favourite youtubers! Together! :D Isn't there still coal tar in dandruff shampoos? If coal tar is bad in mascara, I wonder if it's bad to get the shampoo in your eyes? And away down the research rabbit hole I go!
I want to say all those shampoos have warnings on them to not get in the eyes and what to do should that happen
All shampoos are bad for the eyes tbh
I've used coal tar glycerine soap to clear up skin things and like anything, don't get it in your eyes. Last time I went looking for it, it wasn't on the shelf so maybe they don't make it anymore... the minty tingly dandruff shampoo didn't have but really REALLY needed a warning about not getting it in the eyes, owie. Glad I don't need shampoo anymore.
I had been using dandruff shampoo and switched to just using witch hazel in my hair. Then my skin cleared up. A month and a half later I used the dandruff shampoo again, and broke out a few days later. So while 1 person isn't a good sample size, perhaps dandruff shampoo isn't good for your skin in general.
@@sarahr8311 best thing I ever did for my hair was quit using shampoo entirely about a decade ago, now I don't get an itchy scalp or dandruff. It's not for everyone, but it's the healthiest my hair has ever been in my life. Even after colouring it, I have fewer split ends and a longer ultimate length than when I used shampoo and didn't colour.
Thank you!
I love your work! Thank you!!!
And I mean, our regulations are still not great. :(
So I am allergic to non-top 8 allergies and they still do not have to tell you what is in your food, what is "flavors?" and I have found "base" ingredients like meat that is meat and "flavor." I still have trouble getting safe food. And then I am allergic to the same food stuff in perfumes.
And if I died it would be "my fault" because I didn't "CoOk FrOm ScRaTcH" even if it is completely impractical and abelist.
So it is interesting to know this is a history thing
"Flavor", "aroma" and "parfum" are awful catch-alls that can hide _so_ many allergens.
I like that you comment on the fact that 'natural' doesn't mean safe.
If a product/ingredient is potent enough to cause an effect on the human body, then it is totally capable of causing the same level of side effects/reactions/drug interactions as its pharmaceutical alternative! .........(looking at you St John's Wort etc)
There's a series of videos, documentaries called the "silent killers" where they talk about the led on paint and even the corset situation. Unfortunately they don't mention how often that would happen so you can take it as a "everyone" was putting led on their faces
It frustrates me so much when actual interesting info like that is buried in really sensationalized and misleading storytelling!
Double the historical nerdery... I am here for it!
Moment of appreciation for Vee's hair, here. Looks lovely!
why thank you! 💚
Hey you're wearing the sweater I love! WHERE DID YOU GET IT???
When you have the weirdest allergies on earth and you still have to freak out about Polyethylene Glycol, and Propylene Glycol... because highly allergic it it 🤣
It's possible to be allergic to literally *anything*. Heck, I am allergic to one of the most common and useful antibiotics out there!
I still remember when I bought a "magical" moisturizer from a very famous American brand back in the years and no ingredient list was provided. It just went on trust on the brand.
Unfortunately it didn't moisturize my skin, it just made it slick and oily. The more I put the more my skin felt weird and broke out. I went back to the corner and told the SA that their cream was giving me problems and she went on a rant about how good their brand was and how "pure" and controlled it was, maybe the problem was my skin or I did not scrub enough before using the cream or I did not put it only when needed or I massaged instead of patting.
Many years later I discovered that the magical moisturizer was all about mineral oil (liquid paraffin) which is a big no-no for my skin and it's not even a moisturizing ingredient to start with, but she was right: my skin was the problem and the brand was perfect because mineral oil doesn't kill.
Hydroquinone is now only available by prescription in the US
This was really good information. Thank you.
Thanks for this neat video!
Oh, wait, you're supposed to change out your mascara? Thanks for the info!
*may or may not have been using the same mascara for approximately the last 5 years*
Yay, two of my favourite youtubers in one room!!! :)
Re: Lash Lure and coal tar -- coal tar derivatives show up all over the place, from the original formulations for mauve clothes dye to artificial vanilla flavouring.. To this day, artificial vanilla flavouring is made of petrochemicals.
Are microbeads those "smooth, round micro-scrubbers" I remember from a face wash commercial in the early 2000s?
Really, really loving the meticulous pronunciation of chemical names.
With the bread anecdote.. how would one test the “purity” of bread? Put it in water? Eat it? Toast it? What else was in there, if it wasn’t 100% bread?? Sawdust?
Among other things, yes.
One of the reasons why women used to paint their faces so heavily are the smallpox epidemics. Queen Elisabeth I almost died of smallpox, and afterwards her face was severely scarred by smallpoxmarks. The first attempts to prevent the disease with inoculation were made in China in the 15th century. From there the method spread to India and Turkey. In the 18 th century, vaccination was brought from Turkey to England by the wife of the British Ambassador. But smallpox inoculation was still dangerous and painful, until Dr. Jenner found a safer vaccine at the end of the 18th century. Much more people got vaccinated once it was safer and more successful. Once smallpox stopped leaving their marks on peoples faces, ladies could stop pasting it and just put a light puder. Finally, in 1973 smallpox was eradicated worldwide. And we dont have do deal with it anymore.
Yay! I love LizCapism!
Does Native actually work for people? A lot of my favorite RUclipsrs have been getting sponsorships from them, but when I've tried to use them in the past they do absolutely nothing to help with either odor or sweating. I know it's not meant to be strong, but it gets overpowered so easily when I've used it.
I love your channel and this video was very interesting. Nevertheless, I take exception to your pronouncement that capitalism is to blame for poisonous food additives. It certainly can be, but so can other economic systems. In 1983 a prominent purveyor of comestibles in Moscow was sentenced to death by a Soviet court in part because of "commission of various illegal machinations with food products.''. Sad to say, if there's a profit to be made by adding harmful substances to items we consume, some people will do it, regardless of the economic system.
Re-usable cleaning cloths? You mean "rags"? 🤔
There are things you can buy now that are absolutely nothing like rags, but are marketed as reusable cleaning cloths. You can find them by looking up "reusae paper towel" or "Swedish dish towel". I honestly don't know how to describe them except "not rags".
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I know shipping real people is wrong, but just... Aesthetically... This is good.
You are welcome to ship us as friends all you like!
Dude, I keep thinking you're Jill Bearup.