Hey Ray - we have an update for you! Thanks to customer feedback, we’ve learned many HERO10 users want the ability to record longer video clips in static situations without motion or airflow to cool the camera. Many have also had questions about how to get the longest possible recording times while maximizing battery life. We’re excited to share that we’re releasing a HER010 firmware update to deliver on these requests by end of October. This update will introduce three new “Video Performance Modes” to help maximize HERO10’s performance depending on your use case: 1. Maximum Video Performance - Maximum video resolution and frame rates for the very best image quality and ultra slow motion. 2. Extended Battery - Optimal video resolutions and frame rates for maximizing recording times and extending battery life. 3. Tripod / Stationary Video - Optimized for recording long video clips at the highest resolutions and frame rates when the camera is stationary without motion or airflow to cool the camera. GPS and HyperSmooth video stabilization are turned OFF in this mode. The following is what users can expect to achieve, on average, in Tripod / Stationary Video mode recording a single continuous clip at a temperature of 77F / 25C in static situations without movement or airflow to cool the camera: 5.3K60 - 47% more runtime than previous for an average of 29 minute-long clips 5.3K30 - 11% more runtime than previous for an average of 44 minute-long clips 4K120 - 52% more runtime than previous for an average of 26 minute-long clips 4K60 - 154% more runtime than previous for an average of 63 minute-long clips 4K30 - 35% more runtime than previous for an average of 50 minute-long clips A future firmware update will enable even longer clip lengths in 5.3K30 and 4K30. And if important for your use case, 2.7K and 1080p will enable significantly longer single clip recording times in either Extended Battery or Maximum Video Performance modes. We’re also excited to share that in late November we’re releasing a new battery, named Enduro, for HERO10 and HERO9 cameras. Enduro will be available as a $24.99 spare battery upgrade and features revolutionary technology that dramatically improves your GoPro’s performance in cold temperatures (snow sports, for example) while also significantly extending recording times in moderate temperatures. At a battery temperature of 14F / -10C (note: this is the battery’s temperature, it can be even colder outside), with HERO10 Black the Enduro battery enables, on average, 56 minutes of 5.3K60 video, 50 minutes of 4K120 video, 76 minutes of 4K60 video and 115 minutes of 1080p30 video recording. Enduro also significantly increases video recording time in moderate temperatures. For example, with HERO10 Black during typical outdoor activities at a temperature of 77F / 25C, the Enduro battery enables, on average, 60 minutes of 5.3K60 video (a 28% improvement over the standard battery), 51 minutes of 4K120 video (a 40% improvement over the standard battery), 71 minutes of 4K60 video (a 13% improvement over the standard battery) and 120 minutes of 1080p30 video recording. Stay tuned for more information on the November launch of the new Enduro battery and end of October release of the updated HERO10 firmware featuring the new Performance Video Modes. And please keep your feedback and requests coming - as you can see, we’re excited to develop additional HERO10 performance enhancements based on your input!
Wow, that’s one hell of a response and how it should be done rather than just staying silent and ignoring the problem! Good job! Now release a stripped down “naked” version for FPV and dash cam users with appropriate firmware suitable for those situations, for about $300. No front display, no rear display, no battery.
Thank you gopro.you are truly a peoples company.you listen to us via influencers like DC rainmaker and keep bettering your product. I just bought my hero 10 after (still owning the 3/7/8). All of them are perfect in their own way with imperfections. But that’s how even a human or a machine has evolved. The hero 10 is not available in India yet. Got mine flown in from Usa.I’m doing my unboxing video this week and will make a small snippet on this issue you have addressed. It will be in my native language tamizhl with English subs. Hope my country men be benefitted when you guys launch it during our Festival of Lights Deepavali. Stay blessed DC /Go pro team . Vanakam 🙏🏽
GoPro is realizing that it's cheaper for them to follow your channel than to hire an extra person in Quality Assurance. Please make a video to apply pressure on Garmin next!
To say you put the HERO10 Black through its paces, is an understatement. Thank you for doing so and keep the tests and comments coming. We read every comment and are taking in the feedback to learn what matters most to all of you. We are working on further firmware improvements for HERO10 based on your feedback. And by the way - we love the beer selection in the fridge. Cheers!
I had real trouble with my Hero 9 overheating last summer trying to shoot at 4k while fishing. I have to run my gopro continuously for up to 5 to 8 hours a day filming on and off while I fish to try and capture the hookups. I either cycle 3 batteries or run it off a battery bank all day. In the peak of summer it was woefully unreliable and I lost a ton of footage from overheating and sd card errors during fishing. As soon as the temperatures dropped during winter the problems went away and I have not had any issues since. It will be interesting to see what summer in NZ brings this year. With these results the hero 10 is off the cards as the high frame rates and resolutions that matter to me would be unusable over summer for how I intend to use it. It's a shame as I was real keen on the upgrade.
Thank you for doing so? That sounds like GoPro hasn't done such tests! Seems crazy that a consumer has to do these tests and it's not part of the GoPro development cycle. Amazing, and not in a good way!!
Защо продавате бракувани камери???? Аз имам второ GoPro -9 след подмяна -Е и второто е брак, както и първото!!! 1 година не можете да оправите GoPro -9 Това е пълен ПОЗОР за вас!!! GoPro-10 отново ПОЗОР И СРАМ!!!! GoPro11-12-13...ВСИЧКО ще ви е брак- само глупак може да си купи вече камера от вас!!! Жалко и горко на тези който не са си нучили УРОКА!!
@@Dcrainmaker You made us Finnish butchers happy. -18c is pretty basic here in winter, but glad to see it lasted that long in that temp. Hero 8 dies in 15min in -5c. Last year we had mostly -23c and record of -35c.
Whenever my GoPro overheats I just switch the battery and continue recording right away without a problem. The battery is always blisteringly hot when pulled out, so replacing it with a cold one is enough to get the camera back up and running. I've started to get in the habit of just switching the battery after around 30 minutes of continuous recording, before it overheats, so at least I'm the one that's in control of when each video clip is stopped. If you do another one of these videos in the future can you test it with and without a foam windslayer on the GoPro? Many people who want to capture audio from the internal mics use these when filming outdoors to prevent wind noise. It does insulate the camera a bit, making the airflow less effective at cooling it down. Keep up the great work. This video surely took an enormous amount of effort and is much appreciated. 👍🏻👍🏻
Good tip switching the battery. Also him running straight off USB with the battery removed. I've had bad overheat problems with my 9 when outside in extreme temps (maybe as much as 110F) and I found myself pouring ice water on the camera to keep it running. Next time I think I'll just dunk it every so often between action. I've also found myself removing the windslayers on occasion.
This is such top tier content its crazy! Rays dedication is beyond what we deserve, this channel is the A1 of camera tech channels. Unrivaled and unmatched
Hi DC Rainmaker. Bravo! Finally someone who understands thermal physics. And this applies to all cameras (or laptops) that runs at high frames rates and resolution. I would like to add that Gopro for over a decade calls their product “action camera” and not “studio camera” so by that alone means it will be rugged, outdoor, and waterproof. Heat has to dissipate somewhere so other camera manufacturer’s use different aluminum alloy bodies, add passive copper heat sinks or active cooling to get longer run time. I’m with you @8:55, I use Ulanzi’s BG3/4 battery grips + turn off the front LCD and sometimes back and use the remote, iphone, or MyK for live view and controls to ensure battery and LCD are not generating too much heat to overheat. Most components these days are industrial grade which is -40degC to +85degC so I am sure Gopro engineers are playing it safe to keep the longevity of their products and not run it excessively at high temperature. Think about our cars, it can drive at 160-200mph (~260-320kmph) but speed limits are 65-75mph (~104-120kmph, depending on States) as there are safety considerations. Hopefully in a firmware update, Gopro will allow for “high temp” option like Sony cameras has and now Canon R3 has as well. But again, what that does to reliability down the road, we don’t have enough empirical data. If consumers want long form shooting, look elsewhere or realize who shoots high frame rates and resolution as it is a memory hog and processing it will be taxing. It seems other YT’ers are just producing click bates and/or getting paid by Gopro competitors to just sabotage and poke holes instead of doing real world test that you’ve done in this video. Gopro should have you as a brand ambassador and/or pay you for doing this! I’m not loyal to them or anyone, just calling bs for those who purposely try to trash a product, brand, or company when clearly it’s user error and not knowing what is was designed for. Those who compare smartphones to this, I’ll say good luck taking your expensive phones underwater and/or rugged outdoors and see how the stabilization will hold up. But then again, smartphones are not built for extreme action sports so doing so only means doing those tests would also be poking holes.
it's funny seeing smartphone vs gopro comparison videos mostly just them walking or running for 10 seconds and almost passing out, if you really want to say iphone stabilization is on par with gopro, try mounting it on a bicycle handlebar and take it for a ride.
Thank you for your research. I had roughly the same times with 5.3k 60fps in indoor environments. Head mounted in the cat. Cut out in around 14-18 mins on high bitrate
This is, by far, the most comprehensive and in-depth review of GP overheating video to date. I've seen so many RUclipsrs testing/addressing this topic in the wrong way, mostly indoors at a desk with no/minimal airflow, which is not what this camera is designed for. Great work in gathering all the data points and translating them into real-life context!
I must admit that I was having second thoughts about adding the GoPro 10 to my collection because of the overheating issue…. But did it anyway. but thanks to your detailed analysis I’m glad I’ve done it
There is another issue, the APP can't review while recording. ruclips.net/video/Qpydk1kSj8c/видео.html Happened on GoPro9, and 10 carries same problem. It is a good action camera.
My Hero 10 overheats all summer long in India. It overheats while I vlog outdoors after 3.5 minutes at 32 degrees (with humidity it feels around 40). I film at 4K 50fps. Half my batteries have expanded in size too. So yeah, it’s important to shoot short shots during summer. I’ve used it vlogging outdoors during heat waves at 45 degrees and it dies very quickly. Ps. If vlogging at those temperatures don’t forget to drink oral rehydration salts because it’s easy to dehydrate as a vlogger.
Some serious dedication to the investigation! Love the fact you had to film the GoPros with GoPros to see if they would overheat! Outcome is pretty reassuring to me as for my personal use I’m using these to capture me going somewhere.
Great work on this! I think people get out over their skis a bit when they get fixated on the overheating concerns. In 2021, people lose sight of what these cameras are ^designed^ to do and have, what I think, are unrealistic expectations. There is an expectation that these $400 dollar cameras at less than 4 inches (Diagonal) is somehow going to "do it all." Even $6K hybrid mirrorless cameras don't have an unlimited recording at high rates. In fact, recording over 30 minutes at 4K at lower frame rates can prove problematic on much more expensive devices released in the last 18 months - albeit at higher bitrates. I think the point is, that 99% of people who use this camera - even at higher frame rates - will never run into overheating at a typical use case. They will grab their clip, or maybe a 20-30 minute run in environments with an abundance of natural cooling and be very pleased with the results. Yes, setting up a locked-off camera to record non-stop at 4K 120 or 5.3K 60 has a decent chance of presenting some issues, but you have to ask why at that point. I think some people think the higher the frame rate, the better, not understanding that 120P has very specific use cases (If you've ever watched something published in 120P - it looks like a video game and is NOT appealing). Thus, when it's available, they crank the settings to max and just let it run just to edit into a 30FPS or 24FPS timeline. This is not an intelligent approach for any camera, least of all these small devices with minimal appreciable heat dissipation capacity. High frame rates at high resolution should be used strategically for cases where footage might be slowed down or published for something like a sports broadcast. If you really want to make sure you have the capability to use slow motion "just in case," for everyday users, 1080 at a high bitrate runs much cooler and is seemingly limited only by battery and memory card capacity at this point. 99.9 percent of people who watch your video will never know the difference unless they are watching it on a big screen - even that is questionable. Am I disappointed in the slight performance reduction "out of the box" over the 9? A little, but I also understand there is more processing work being done for settings that, at face value, are the same. It is more than just resolution and frame rate is increased on this camera, better stabilization, better screen quality and response, better color...and all those improvements are a net positive to the quality of the footage. I sort of expect, that with some time and use, we might see firmware updates that could buy some extra filming time - much like Canon was able to do with their R5/R6 models. Even with these limitations, GoPro still puts out the best video quality in the action cam market, and when I see people throw around blanket comparisons like "but DJI" or "Well, the Insta360," I find it pretty disingenuous. It doesn't take a film nerd to look at the footage and tell the difference. What each customer needs to decide is what are their priorities? If it's quality and depth understanding that there are limitations, use the GoPro. If it's additional recording length with a willingness to sacrifice a little quality, there are other alternatives that can generate serviceable results. Thanks again Ray for going through all the painstaking work that most people won't do on these devices.
Thanks for this thoughtful comment + feedback. We’re committed to releasing firmware updates that will continue to improve HERO10 Black, so know - we are listening! And agreed…cheers to DC Rainmaker.
@@toriless no, while that is what those frame rates are made for, that is not what they are always used for by a public who os not educated with respect to the exposure triangle.
WOW DCR, unbelievably thorough testing - GoPro should make you their Underwriter's Lab and Consumers Reports for their action cameras!!! Kudos for sharing the fruits of your labor😎
Thinking bout buying this but afraid about the overheat issue. This video solved my perception towards this latest go pro. As a conclusion, as long as you are shooting outdoor, no overheat issue will appear. Thanks for the all test that you had. From Malaysia. 👍
Hello geng Malaysia. Aku Tak pernah Ada action camera . Tapi dah lama berminat. Cuma tengah perhati Mana paling berbaloi. Nampaknya hero 10 ni MCM berbaloi
@@pdrider7918 yup. Tapi tgk pada bajet jugak la. Mcm aku, angkat yg mahal sbb nak rasa. Hehe. Seumur hidup X pernah pegang Go pro. Bukan nak guna sangat pun... 🤣
@@pdrider7918 so far, aku rasa go pro 10 ni dah level paling tinggi dah. Kalau kata tahun depan keluar go pro 11 pun, upgrade dia dah reach lebih dari standard teknologi Malaysia dah. For example, mana ada Kebanyakan TV 4k di Malaysia ni. Ada org pakai, tapi x banyak. Dan go pro ni, dah boleh shoot 5k kot. Which means in future, bila TV 4k dh murah gila... Dan kemudian TV 8k pun dah murah, teknologi go pro 10 masih x outdated... 😊
Great video! Thanks for doing all of those research. Another thing I found that's helpful when shooting indoors is to turn off the Hypersmooth. For most people when shooting indoors, you don't need Hypersmooth since you would mount the GoPro on a tripod and set it up at one location. This usually extends the battery and the time for overheat.
glad to see that what i've always experienced was proven by your test, i could record 3+ hours(battery removed, connected to a power bank) of 4k60 footage when i'm cycling even if it's 34 degrees Celsius(93.2 Fahrenheit) outside because there is constant airflow, but when i have it stationed in the car, even if i blast the AC, it will still overheat.
Yup, makes sense! Though, if you can funnel just a tiny bit of that airflow (maybe even using the window defrost vents?), it'd probably do the trick! The air coming out just has to be less than about 115*F. :)
Dude! I was using my go pro in my garage yesterday and it over heated in 20 mins just sitting still. Thought I had a defective unit until I found this video! Thanks for going down the rabbit hole.
Great video and a helpful reminder. I was unaware of the overheating issues GoPros suffer from. so when I set up my GoPro Hero8 this summer, outside on a tripod, in the sun, attached to an external battery pack (with the batter still in it), set it to Time Lapse, and walked away hoping to get a video of my old oak being taken down... I got a max of 20 min before it shut down. This might be an extreme case, but what I learned after the fact is that overheating GoPros are a common issue across all the models, and it is something (even looking at their quotes from the video) that they don't take seriously. If nothing else, they should provide guidelines like you are presenting here in your video so that users are better educated and informed without having to go digging around in online forums to figure out what went wrong after having lost their footage. They are good little cameras, but a bit more customer support up front could go a long way.
Thanks for this definitive review. I have to disagree with one statement. At 07:10 you say you've wasted lots of time. You did not. ;D (this is by far the best review of this "problem")
Really helpful thanks. One thing you didn't specifically note, is so many cameras overheat because of the amount of data that has to be written. Gopro do well just getting it to work. Like you, I think it's a great camera. Thanks for taking the time to put some data behind things.
I think you nailed it when you acknowledged that the more things you turn on that requires processing (GPS, horizon leveling, hypersmooth, etc) and higher frame rates, the more likely you are to have overheating issues. I was using mine outside in about 88 F temp, little airflow, with horizon leveling, GPS, and hypersmooth high, shooting 4K 60, and it overheated and shut off in about 8 mins. Cool camera you just have to consider the shooting needs vs environment a little more carefully. Kind of like any piece of sophisticated electronics gear.
My hero 10 recording for ~12mins and sitting for 30-40, took 5 games to overheat. (Indoors/4k120/boost/didn't turn it off/no battery/waterproof housing/back door cut for screen access/side whole cut to size for a usb-c, housing painted black) I also left it on, set to 4k120 sitting on my desk, not recording, and it got close to burning my fingers hot within 5-7 minutes. (battery installed, no door) I think if I turn it off in those 30 min periods I won't have any problems. So if you use the camera as i do, you should be fine.
my Hero 9 had a overheating problem until i buy a new battery and it never happened again. For me it it was 100% a defective battery that started overheating in a few mins and kills the camera too. It was the batttery that was overheating, not the camera in my case. Hope it might helps.
This is so awesome, great work Ray! Like yourself, I use these "action" cams in action, ie cycling, running, etc, so I wouldn't see overheating in normal conditions due to airflow and outdoors.
Great video - thanks for sharing. Concerning GoPro comments regarding the average length of clip. They should consider the fact they have added the hindsight feature which along with the max lens mod is the mode I use 90% of the time and is the reason I bought the 9. I live in Malaysia - hot humid - generally no wind. As I understand hindsight, the camera is essentially running all the time in the selected mode. I can get usually max 15mins in hindsight with the lens mod attached in 2.7K 60fps. I am a fly fisher and hindsight is so good for me to capture the exact moment a fish grabs my fly in the water. But, because of overheating I have had buy a 2nd 9 so I can continually swap over and let one cool and I probably need another one. I was hoping the 10 may resolve some issues but from the evidence in this video it would appear not. Anyway, great video and thanks again for taking the time to put it together. New Sub here!!
I admire your scientific approach and all the effort you put into your testing. Great summary at the end... I hope that Gopro appreciate your dedication. They should sponsor your video. 👏🤓💰
So thorough. I’ve only had a handful of overheating incidents with my hero 9. Happened at the end of some long runs over the summer. First, stabilization stopped working randomly on some but not all clips. Then, it just wouldn’t turn on anymore
Thank you for putting the time in! Really appreciate the data and will run my own 'settings' tests when I finally get my 10 to see if changing settings does/will make any difference.
I found this video really insightful, and thank you for the effort you put into it. I record outdoors, walking slowly, where it's 95 degrees on the regular with little to no airflow, in approximately 5-8 minute sessions at 4k30. I have learned to turn the camera off while I compose the next scene, which takes me about 3 minutes. The 10 still overheats pretty regularly, and it's extremely frustrating. I had the same issue with the 9. I've considered carrying a cooler with me (with ice) to drop the camera in while I compose my next scene in hopes of not getting my scene cut short by a overheating shutdown. What are your thoughts on this, or other ideas?
I'm learning quickly that these cameras are better suited for indoor use and are not the amazing outdoor action cameras that @GoPro wishes them to be. The fix would be for everyone of us to stop buying them and after @GoPro's pockets start hurting maybe they'll get serious about designing a more heat tolerant product.
For me the problem would be how long the camera is down. What if I shoot several 10 minute segments for an hour at 80 degrees outdoors, swap batteries it is going to die if I then shoot a 30 minute segment and for how long. My S10 will chug along for hours buy apparently not the GoPro 10. It's still unclear if I drop to 4K/60 and am outdoors at 80 if I can get the usual hour before it over heats. How much total time do you get at a similar 4K/30. I too would probably shoot minutes worth as a time but at more like 80. Obviously, I have to stick to my reliable S10 for indoors. Quite frankly it does better than any DSLRs under a grand anyway when it come to video, it does lose out for stills in many situations since it does not have lenses that can really help get a better shot. The new S20/21/22 had one sensor with really high resolution, over 100 MP which kills most DSLR sensors.
@@Breaker_o777 They're completely useless indoors, unless you have lighting specifically for shooting. GoPro needs a ton of light to provide at least phone quality image. I initially bought it for indoor use, and the first thing I said was that "I guess this is only for outdoor use". The bottom line is that GoPro is only for situations when you need extreme mobility.
My geek side really enjoyed the thoroughness of this content. I hate when creators just say, "here's a problem...," but don't provide supporting evidence/documentation. Thank you for this very useful video I am much better prepared for my future uses.
Epic testing my friend, you went above and beyond in this video. This is the best Hero 10 video ever. Thanks for putting in all the time and hard work on this video.
I like using go pros for hidden cams in my social experiment videos and films. That’s why I love these things because of how small they are. This over heating thing scares me. So hopefully there is a setting in a firmware update you can switch to and from like for out and about and for static shooters. My hidden cams would be outdoors and indoors. So that isn’t a factor
From many of the comparisons, it seems that the overheat time is near what the battery limit time is. So, you're going to have to either cool it down or change batteries even if it doesn't overheat. And if you can use an external battery, it won't overheat at all.
Thanks for doing all the tests and making this video to help the rest of us :) My one complaint (and you're not the only person that does this) is when a test is a failure (like the camera fell off its perch) you should really redo the test. I know you have "reasons" for not, but if you're going to spend all this time and do all this work, what's another hour to redo the test using a better setup so it doesn't fall. It just seems like you (and others that do this) just give up and shrug "eh, whatever". I'm not trying to nitpick or be an ass, sorry if it comes off that way. Just trying to point out a fault to improve the content for everyone :) thanks for your work :)
The Hero 10 is a great test subject for overheating. I recently bought a Hero 10 and put it on my motorcycle and after 2 hours of riding (some is stop and go) there was overheating issues. Just like what you've found. I'll be posting a video on the hero 10 also on my channel focusing on the mounting of the camera on my Versys X300. I just finished a windshield design project and spent over 100 hours doing it. I know how these big projects can really get huge. Thanks for sharing. GoPro just released another Hero 10 firmware upgrade 7/20/2022. Let's see where this goes.
WOW this was very helpful to us in our business! You must have put so many hours into this research. We regularly film our events with cameras running usually for an hour at a time, sometimes 1:15. Thank you so much for your efforts here! - Chris Britt, HeliBacon
Submerging in non-boiling water or putting in a freezer is not how to test overheating. Set it on the dashboard of a south-facing (in USA) car and do a 200-hour hi-def livestream. Did it lose connection, glitch, freezer, or shutdown? Or at the 199th hour was the broadcast fine.
First off, I fully understand the limitations of filming at the highest resolution and frame rates. HOWEVER, when filming at the LOWEST rates, I have to say the Hero 9 (and based on reviews of the 10 overheating sooner than the 9) is a failure! While I wasn't always at the cutting edge of the Hero line, here's when I bought my previous GoPro's: 2011 = Hero 2013 = Hero 3 Black 2017 = Hero 6 Black I admit I live in Arizona and hike and/or mountain bike regularly in 100+ temps and both my Hero 3 and later Hero 6 could film 45-60 minute rides without overheating OR running out of battery life. The Hero 6 could even handle over an hour of non-stop filming (5-minute loops @1080/60) in 100+ degree temps on the front bumper of my Jeep (plugged in to an external power supply instead of the battery) while driving slow over rugged terrain with NO overheating issues. Ok, so being happy with those GoPro cameras, with all the hype of the 9 & 10 I figured it might be time to move up to being able to film at higher res/rates and took advantage of the Hero 9 Black online web deal. Spoiler alert: BIG mistake! First time out on my mountain bike filming at 2.7k it barely made 15 minutes before shutting down and it wouldn't turn back on, so I cut my ride short and went home thinking I'd do some research and figure out what the problem was. After glancing through a few forum threads the supposed consensus supposed remedy was to "Film at a lower resolution, lower frame rate and film short clips" Hmmmm. Ok, so all the latest and greatest features touted for Hero 9 Black compared to my "old" Hero 6 are just bull-puckey? Well let's find out. The next day I went biking to do an apples-to-apples side-by-side test between the Hero 6 and Hero 9. With both set at 1080/60/GPS OFF/No ProTune (essentially basic filming) and with 5-minute looping the 9 overheated and shut down within 15 minutes with battery down to 30% while the 6 was still filming showing battery at 76%. No point in beating a dead horse (dead Hero 9?) so I put it away and continued filming with the Hero 6. After 40 minutes out in the Arizona sun at an ambient temp of 95-98° the Hero 6 provided nice 5-minute clips @1080/60 with no complaint, whereas even when it was filming, the 9 only created 1-minute clips. So, back home I call GoPro to see what can be done about the overheating and 1-minute loops. After a 45 minute call to GoPro in an attempt to fix the failed looping (only creates 60-second clips whether set at 5 or 20 minutes) and still no joy, I returned the Hero 9. Thank you GoPro for the relatively pain-free return process! (but then with plenty of returns to streamline the process it's all one could expect.) The 9 & 10 may be fine for short clips and/or in cool weather but what's the point of 5.3K if you have to set it at 1080 for longer clips? Actually, leveling and smoothing were the only features on the 9 that I would have wished for on the 6, but not at the cost of overheating and terrible battery life. No thanks, I'll stick with the Hero 6 and be done with GoPro's.
@@lawrence_SoCal It most definitely it is/was a defective unit, in more ways than one. However, based on the myriad of folks complaining about various issues, overheating in particular (in various online forums including the GoPro community) I have to believe the defects are in the design and/or engineering. If not, why are the SAME issues cropping up from what, the Hero 7 onward? More thorough testing PRIOR to release of EVERY Hero should have been #1 priority instead of the broken record of "We are working on further firmware improvements for HERO(insert model # here) based on your feedback..." What? You didn't get enough feedback from the 8, or 9 to figure out what issues could have been avoided with the next generation Hero? While I would LOVE GoPro to at least fix the big issues and be open & honest in their advertising about the capabilities AND limitations of their "action" cameras, the fact that I haven't seen any movement in that direction over the last few years I've pretty much decided I'm no longer going to be a GoPro guinea pig. On the other hand, as a former software test engineer, if GoPro would provide me a camera to test and return with a list of issues to fix, I'd be fine with that, I just won't be fronting any cash.
Thanks for the video! I bought mine 7 months ago, didn't know about all the hype about overheating. I bought mine mostly for snorkeling and other than one hike and playing around with the dogs, have only used it for snorkeling, no issues, love it. Then started seeing all the doom and gloom about it overheating and started getting worried, now I can relax again and just enjoy my camera :)
In water it is going to get maximum cooling. 74 degree water will remove 10 times as much heat as 74 degree air. Of source it is only good for snorkeling and not SCUBA without a case. 33 feet rated really means 6 feet if moving. That is why SCUBA equipment is rated for over 600 feet (20 ATM) since it really mean 100 - 200 feet which is the max you should be diving at.
Great work on this video! I wasn’t worried about the overheating personally because I use mine outdoors with air flow in a action setting 90% of the time! But this video is awesome to show someone that is worried about the overheating issue.
This is phenomenal work Ray....thanks a lot for investing so much time and giving us the logical comparisons in different scenarios. Keep up the Great job !!
I made the same sort of measurements on both my Hero 5 black and Hero 7 Black and got similar results. The indoor/outdoor argument is overshadowed by air movement / no air movement. I was shooting on a tripod outside with both cameras on a tripod (looking at my golf swing from behind and from the front) and typically only got about 15 minutes in shaded, but hot, Arizona summer temps around 100F. I attempted many types of shading and reflection to no avail. When the data was sent to GoPro the only feed back I received was basically “yep, that’s how it works”. Just got a new Hero 10 but no temp tests yet and after your fine video I probably won’t bother 👍
Well done on your meticulous testing! Now can you repeat the overheat scenarios with different stabilisation settings ;-), GPS and WIFI disabled etc. You do see GoPros used as mini static camera for recording various events. In these cases, mounted on a tripod there would be no need for stabilisation, but you can always go with the option to remove batteries and use an external power source, which lasted well in your tests.
Wow, that's a lot of research work. Brilliant, well done, and thanks! Very interesting for me as currently trying to decide between GP10 and waiting for OA2.
Great video!!! I mostly use mine static , and I live in Florida. Today it's 98 by the thermometer outside. It's 110 in my garage with no air moving. I shot about 50 minuets of continuous video on 5k 30, in the media mod case with no problem because I keep a small fan blowing on my camera. I use an external mic. Keep in mine I'm completely new to gopro so this hero 10 is a big learning curve. It was simple for me because the camera was designed to be on the go hence the name. It wasn't designed to be a stand alone static camera. That's what gave me the idea to place a small fan on the camera and I've not had any issues since.
I appreciate you so much!!!! I love to learn. Your tests helped me make my decision as they seem non biased as well as the hard work put into this video.
I hope GoPro are paying you plenty. Not because I don't believe you, but because I do believe you. This is one of the common comments I see everywhere and you've managed to bring truth to the argument. Well done.
I appreciate this video. I kept cringing at all the videos talking about overheating in the hero 10. I know my hero 8 got pretty hot when I had in stuck to my windshield while riding off road. It was amazingly hot to me. I wondered if the 10 was much different and it sounds like. Granted the higher processing in the new camera probably increases the heat a bit and I know my 8 is not as advanced as the 10. At any rate, great video, always enjoy the content.
Hello Rainmaker, thank you very much for all your hard work.(From Germany) In "real world" scenario . My First GoPro (8) runs as long as the battery take her alive. But this GoPro sits on my handlebar and runs in timelaps mode. For one hour Timelapse I need more or less one battery. The Second GoPro I use to film special landscapes left and right, while riding my bike. This GoPro is covered in foam to handl the wind noise. But this one only takes shots about 1-5 minutes. So all of this should be fine. But for me a big tipoc is battery life . I ride my bike for hours and run through 7-9 battery packs on a day . What I saw until now. I think with the GoPro 10 ,I would need 12-15 ! And a hot camera is not really a good thing for the life circle of a battery. But in the end, I think I will start with one GoPro 10 and find out on my own.
@@toriless Hero 10 was a waste of money . I bought her for horizon stabilisation, the change from timelapse to normal view with on click and to zoom in the video(5,3k to 4k). The video stabilisation only works in good light conditions. I ride my bike through a lot of woods and then the horizon stabilisation does not work reliable. Video Quality is not better than my Hero 8s . For what I see , its worst. I have to capture video in 5,3k and than render it down to 4k to get a somehow "good" quality(like Hero 8). So no Zoom . Last Funktion is the change from Hyperlaps(Timelapse) to normal video with on click . Yeah this works. So waiting for Hero 11 and hoping that it will not get new batteries again.
I was looking forward to the DJI Action 2 and thought that this would help me avoid the Hero10's overheating problem. Since the DJI Action 2 now has the same problems and they are even bigger, your video helped me to focus on the Hero 10 again. Thank you very much for your effort!
Lower the frame rate, unless outdoor and not too hot, it is still unclear of 4K is much different from 5K as long as you use 60 FPS. Where I live it is 20 - 90 F except a few days a year.
I comment all the time, it boost videos up according to the youtube evaluation schema, you may get 0.3% commenting on 1 video but 3% on another, youtube will recommend that second version more.
I've used my Hero 9 (and a Hero 5 Session before that) as my bike camera recording continuously on a handlebar mount - putting in about 100 miles of riding per week. The Hero 9 camera is used to capture wildlife or traffic incidents on the street. I then pull video or stills from the footage when there is something captured of merit. I run the GoPro 9 camera for 2 to 3 hours at a time using a USB power brick for power. I shoot at 5K 30. After thousands of hours of use in the desert heat of southern Arizona, I have never had my GoPro 9 shut down due to heat. Temperatures in summer are typically 90 to 100F at the times I would ride. My two previous Sony action cameras (Sony HDR-AS200 and FDR-X3000) would occasionally shut down during the hotter weather of summer. I found the same thing as you. The camera stays fairly cool (warm but not too hot to touch) mounted on the front of the bike with the breeze going by.
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Hey Ray - we have an update for you!
Thanks to customer feedback, we’ve learned many HERO10 users want the ability to record longer video clips in static situations without motion or airflow to cool the camera. Many have also had questions about how to get the longest possible recording times while maximizing battery life.
We’re excited to share that we’re releasing a HER010 firmware update to deliver on these requests by end of October.
This update will introduce three new “Video Performance Modes” to help maximize HERO10’s performance depending on your use case:
1. Maximum Video Performance - Maximum video resolution and frame rates for the very best image quality and ultra slow motion.
2. Extended Battery - Optimal video resolutions and frame rates for maximizing recording times and extending battery life.
3. Tripod / Stationary Video - Optimized for recording long video clips at the highest resolutions and frame rates when the camera is stationary without motion or airflow to cool the camera. GPS and HyperSmooth video stabilization are turned OFF in this mode.
The following is what users can expect to achieve, on average, in Tripod / Stationary Video mode recording a single continuous clip at a temperature of 77F / 25C in static situations without movement or airflow to cool the camera:
5.3K60 - 47% more runtime than previous for an average of 29 minute-long clips
5.3K30 - 11% more runtime than previous for an average of 44 minute-long clips
4K120 - 52% more runtime than previous for an average of 26 minute-long clips
4K60 - 154% more runtime than previous for an average of 63 minute-long clips
4K30 - 35% more runtime than previous for an average of 50 minute-long clips
A future firmware update will enable even longer clip lengths in 5.3K30 and 4K30. And if important for your use case, 2.7K and 1080p will enable significantly longer single clip recording times in either Extended Battery or Maximum Video Performance modes.
We’re also excited to share that in late November we’re releasing a new battery, named Enduro, for HERO10 and HERO9 cameras. Enduro will be available as a $24.99 spare battery upgrade and features revolutionary technology that dramatically improves your GoPro’s performance in cold temperatures (snow sports, for example) while also significantly extending recording times in moderate temperatures.
At a battery temperature of 14F / -10C (note: this is the battery’s temperature, it can be even colder outside), with HERO10 Black the Enduro battery enables, on average, 56 minutes of 5.3K60 video, 50 minutes of 4K120 video, 76 minutes of 4K60 video and 115 minutes of 1080p30 video recording.
Enduro also significantly increases video recording time in moderate temperatures. For example, with HERO10 Black during typical outdoor activities at a temperature of 77F / 25C, the Enduro battery enables, on average, 60 minutes of 5.3K60 video (a 28% improvement over the standard battery), 51 minutes of 4K120 video (a 40% improvement over the standard battery), 71 minutes of 4K60 video (a 13% improvement over the standard battery) and 120 minutes of 1080p30 video recording.
Stay tuned for more information on the November launch of the new Enduro battery and end of October release of the updated HERO10 firmware featuring the new Performance Video Modes. And please keep your feedback and requests coming - as you can see, we’re excited to develop additional HERO10 performance enhancements based on your input!
Wow, thank you for this detailed comment! Easy to understand yet offers adequate technical details!
Wow, that’s one hell of a response and how it should be done rather than just staying silent and ignoring the problem!
Good job! Now release a stripped down “naked” version for FPV and dash cam users with appropriate firmware suitable for those situations, for about $300.
No front display, no rear display, no battery.
Thank you gopro.you are truly a peoples company.you listen to us via influencers like DC rainmaker and keep bettering your product. I just bought my hero 10 after (still owning the 3/7/8). All of them are perfect in their own way with imperfections. But that’s how even a human or a machine has evolved. The hero 10 is not available in India yet. Got mine flown in from Usa.I’m doing my unboxing video this week and will make a small snippet on this issue you have addressed. It will be in my native language tamizhl with English subs. Hope my country men be benefitted when you guys launch it during our Festival of Lights Deepavali. Stay blessed DC /Go pro team . Vanakam 🙏🏽
GoPro is realizing that it's cheaper for them to follow your channel than to hire an extra person in Quality Assurance. Please make a video to apply pressure on Garmin next!
@@paceline haha ...we the people😎
To say you put the HERO10 Black through its paces, is an understatement. Thank you for doing so and keep the tests and comments coming. We read every comment and are taking in the feedback to learn what matters most to all of you. We are working on further firmware improvements for HERO10 based on your feedback.
And by the way - we love the beer selection in the fridge. Cheers!
I had real trouble with my Hero 9 overheating last summer trying to shoot at 4k while fishing. I have to run my gopro continuously for up to 5 to 8 hours a day filming on and off while I fish to try and capture the hookups. I either cycle 3 batteries or run it off a battery bank all day. In the peak of summer it was woefully unreliable and I lost a ton of footage from overheating and sd card errors during fishing. As soon as the temperatures dropped during winter the problems went away and I have not had any issues since. It will be interesting to see what summer in NZ brings this year. With these results the hero 10 is off the cards as the high frame rates and resolutions that matter to me would be unusable over summer for how I intend to use it. It's a shame as I was real keen on the upgrade.
I have the same trouble with my GoPro Hero 9. It's frustrating.
Thank you for doing so? That sounds like GoPro hasn't done such tests! Seems crazy that a consumer has to do these tests and it's not part of the GoPro development cycle. Amazing, and not in a good way!!
Защо продавате бракувани камери???? Аз имам второ GoPro -9 след подмяна -Е и второто е брак, както и първото!!!
1 година не можете да оправите GoPro -9 Това е пълен ПОЗОР за вас!!!
GoPro-10 отново ПОЗОР И СРАМ!!!! GoPro11-12-13...ВСИЧКО ще ви е брак- само глупак може да си купи вече камера от вас!!!
Жалко и горко на тези който не са си нучили УРОКА!!
LANGUAGE - BG -BULGARIAN
Million dollar Idea. The heatsink case with fins for passive cooling. Indoors aswell high temps outdoors. For GoPros in extreme conditions.
Hats off to the time investment on this one 👏
Thanks Ben - appreciate it!
Wow, the “fake” honest reviewer here praising DC Rainmaker. The gall
@@Dcrainmaker You made us Finnish butchers happy. -18c is pretty basic here in winter, but glad to see it lasted that long in that temp. Hero 8 dies in 15min in -5c. Last year we had mostly -23c and record of -35c.
Your video so awesome
You are a true Data Analyst, props!
Whenever my GoPro overheats I just switch the battery and continue recording right away without a problem. The battery is always blisteringly hot when pulled out, so replacing it with a cold one is enough to get the camera back up and running.
I've started to get in the habit of just switching the battery after around 30 minutes of continuous recording, before it overheats, so at least I'm the one that's in control of when each video clip is stopped.
If you do another one of these videos in the future can you test it with and without a foam windslayer on the GoPro? Many people who want to capture audio from the internal mics use these when filming outdoors to prevent wind noise. It does insulate the camera a bit, making the airflow less effective at cooling it down.
Keep up the great work. This video surely took an enormous amount of effort and is much appreciated. 👍🏻👍🏻
Good tip switching the battery. Also him running straight off USB with the battery removed. I've had bad overheat problems with my 9 when outside in extreme temps (maybe as much as 110F) and I found myself pouring ice water on the camera to keep it running. Next time I think I'll just dunk it every so often between action. I've also found myself removing the windslayers on occasion.
Awesome thanks
DALE! Nice to see you here buddy hahaha
I love how deep you dived on this. Excel spreadsheet and all! Nice work Ray!
Spreadsheets to the rescue!
This is such top tier content its crazy! Rays dedication is beyond what we deserve, this channel is the A1 of camera tech channels. Unrivaled and unmatched
The most detail and comprehensive test regarding the overheating issue, great work there Ray.
Hi DC Rainmaker.
Bravo! Finally someone who understands thermal physics. And this applies to all cameras (or laptops) that runs at high frames rates and resolution.
I would like to add that Gopro for over a decade calls their product “action camera” and not “studio camera” so by that alone means it will be rugged, outdoor, and waterproof. Heat has to dissipate somewhere so other camera manufacturer’s use different aluminum alloy bodies, add passive copper heat sinks or active cooling to get longer run time.
I’m with you @8:55, I use Ulanzi’s BG3/4 battery grips + turn off the front LCD and sometimes back and use the remote, iphone, or MyK for live view and controls to ensure battery and LCD are not generating too much heat to overheat.
Most components these days are industrial grade which is -40degC to +85degC so I am sure Gopro engineers are playing it safe to keep the longevity of their products and not run it excessively at high temperature. Think about our cars, it can drive at 160-200mph (~260-320kmph) but speed limits are 65-75mph (~104-120kmph, depending on States) as there are safety considerations.
Hopefully in a firmware update, Gopro will allow for “high temp” option like Sony cameras has and now Canon R3 has as well. But again, what that does to reliability down the road, we don’t have enough empirical data.
If consumers want long form shooting, look elsewhere or realize who shoots high frame rates and resolution as it is a memory hog and processing it will be taxing.
It seems other YT’ers are just producing click bates and/or getting paid by Gopro competitors to just sabotage and poke holes instead of doing real world test that you’ve done in this video.
Gopro should have you as a brand ambassador and/or pay you for doing this! I’m not loyal to them or anyone, just calling bs for those who purposely try to trash a product, brand, or company when clearly it’s user error and not knowing what is was designed for.
Those who compare smartphones to this, I’ll say good luck taking your expensive phones underwater and/or rugged outdoors and see how the stabilization will hold up. But then again, smartphones are not built for extreme action sports so doing so only means doing those tests would also be poking holes.
@DC Rainmaker, forgot to mention most important thing, appreciate time and effort you took to make this video and others for us/me and for free!
it's funny seeing smartphone vs gopro comparison videos mostly just them walking or running for 10 seconds and almost passing out, if you really want to say iphone stabilization is on par with gopro, try mounting it on a bicycle handlebar and take it for a ride.
Thank you for your research.
I had roughly the same times with 5.3k 60fps in indoor environments. Head mounted in the cat. Cut out in around 14-18 mins on high bitrate
Appreciate it!
*in the car
Shame, head mounted in the cat was a much funnier image. 🐱 🤣
Oh man I was about to ask if the cat was alright 😂
I wish it was a cat and you could share the video...
I love that you did this! These are the kind of nerdy ideas that I have, but never execute on. You're the hardest working sports tech RUclipsr!
Thanks!!!
These tests are so comprehensive, it's mind boggling. Thank you so much for doing this 🙏
This is, by far, the most comprehensive and in-depth review of GP overheating video to date. I've seen so many RUclipsrs testing/addressing this topic in the wrong way, mostly indoors at a desk with no/minimal airflow, which is not what this camera is designed for. Great work in gathering all the data points and translating them into real-life context!
Thanks! Another packed on coming up in the next couple days on the Hero 12 and Action 4.
That is why I love this channel! Effort is insane!
Thanks!!!
I must admit that I was having second thoughts about adding the GoPro 10 to my collection because of the overheating issue…. But did it anyway. but thanks to your detailed analysis I’m glad I’ve done it
There is another issue, the APP can't review while recording.
ruclips.net/video/Qpydk1kSj8c/видео.html
Happened on GoPro9, and 10 carries same problem.
It is a good action camera.
My Hero 10 overheats all summer long in India. It overheats while I vlog outdoors after 3.5 minutes at 32 degrees (with humidity it feels around 40). I film at 4K 50fps. Half my batteries have expanded in size too. So yeah, it’s important to shoot short shots during summer. I’ve used it vlogging outdoors during heat waves at 45 degrees and it dies very quickly. Ps. If vlogging at those temperatures don’t forget to drink oral rehydration salts because it’s easy to dehydrate as a vlogger.
Watching the video again because I'm filming long tours and my Hero10 is dying at 16 minutes @ 4k 50. I'll try move down to 2.7k.
Finally legit test. Not like one of the table top tests. Great job !
Given it is an ACTION camera, the only legitimate tests are using it when in action scenarios.
Exactly the test we needed! Thanks Ray!
You bet! Happy to help!
Really appreciate the obsession to the tests in this video. Great entertainment as always.
Haha...indeed, things might have gotten out of control on this one!
Your dedication and thoroughness deserves a knighthood. Kudos!
And I ALWAYS hit 'Like' when you dutifully point out that now is the time to do it.
Thanks - much appreciated!!!
Some serious dedication to the investigation! Love the fact you had to film the GoPros with GoPros to see if they would overheat! Outcome is pretty reassuring to me as for my personal use I’m using these to capture me going somewhere.
Haha...indeed! It was the easiest and quickest way to shoot the other ones. Sometimes I used full cameras, but that got messy quick.
Great work on this! I think people get out over their skis a bit when they get fixated on the overheating concerns. In 2021, people lose sight of what these cameras are ^designed^ to do and have, what I think, are unrealistic expectations. There is an expectation that these $400 dollar cameras at less than 4 inches (Diagonal) is somehow going to "do it all." Even $6K hybrid mirrorless cameras don't have an unlimited recording at high rates. In fact, recording over 30 minutes at 4K at lower frame rates can prove problematic on much more expensive devices released in the last 18 months - albeit at higher bitrates.
I think the point is, that 99% of people who use this camera - even at higher frame rates - will never run into overheating at a typical use case. They will grab their clip, or maybe a 20-30 minute run in environments with an abundance of natural cooling and be very pleased with the results. Yes, setting up a locked-off camera to record non-stop at 4K 120 or 5.3K 60 has a decent chance of presenting some issues, but you have to ask why at that point. I think some people think the higher the frame rate, the better, not understanding that 120P has very specific use cases (If you've ever watched something published in 120P - it looks like a video game and is NOT appealing). Thus, when it's available, they crank the settings to max and just let it run just to edit into a 30FPS or 24FPS timeline. This is not an intelligent approach for any camera, least of all these small devices with minimal appreciable heat dissipation capacity. High frame rates at high resolution should be used strategically for cases where footage might be slowed down or published for something like a sports broadcast. If you really want to make sure you have the capability to use slow motion "just in case," for everyday users, 1080 at a high bitrate runs much cooler and is seemingly limited only by battery and memory card capacity at this point. 99.9 percent of people who watch your video will never know the difference unless they are watching it on a big screen - even that is questionable.
Am I disappointed in the slight performance reduction "out of the box" over the 9? A little, but I also understand there is more processing work being done for settings that, at face value, are the same. It is more than just resolution and frame rate is increased on this camera, better stabilization, better screen quality and response, better color...and all those improvements are a net positive to the quality of the footage. I sort of expect, that with some time and use, we might see firmware updates that could buy some extra filming time - much like Canon was able to do with their R5/R6 models. Even with these limitations, GoPro still puts out the best video quality in the action cam market, and when I see people throw around blanket comparisons like "but DJI" or "Well, the Insta360," I find it pretty disingenuous. It doesn't take a film nerd to look at the footage and tell the difference. What each customer needs to decide is what are their priorities? If it's quality and depth understanding that there are limitations, use the GoPro. If it's additional recording length with a willingness to sacrifice a little quality, there are other alternatives that can generate serviceable results.
Thanks again Ray for going through all the painstaking work that most people won't do on these devices.
Thanks for this thoughtful comment + feedback. We’re committed to releasing firmware updates that will continue to improve HERO10 Black, so know - we are listening! And agreed…cheers to DC Rainmaker.
99% of 120FPS and 240 FPS is used for slow motion sequences.
@@toriless no, while that is what those frame rates are made for, that is not what they are always used for by a public who os not educated with respect to the exposure triangle.
@@GoPro New firmware I just found and installed this week 7/22/2022
This video is both interesting and incredibly helpful, exactly what I was looking for!
Cheers for the hard work !
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
WOW DCR, unbelievably thorough testing - GoPro should make you their Underwriter's Lab and Consumers Reports for their action cameras!!! Kudos for sharing the fruits of your labor😎
When I use mine as a dashcam I direct the defroster vent to blow on the camera and it helps cool the camera since it’s in direct sunlight.
Excellent analysis and report, thank you! You have allayed my concerns and I now know what to manage in my use cases…priceless! 🙏🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Thinking bout buying this but afraid about the overheat issue. This video solved my perception towards this latest go pro. As a conclusion, as long as you are shooting outdoor, no overheat issue will appear.
Thanks for the all test that you had. From Malaysia. 👍
Hello geng Malaysia.
Aku Tak pernah Ada action camera . Tapi dah lama berminat. Cuma tengah perhati Mana paling berbaloi. Nampaknya hero 10 ni MCM berbaloi
@@pdrider7918 yup. Tapi tgk pada bajet jugak la. Mcm aku, angkat yg mahal sbb nak rasa. Hehe. Seumur hidup X pernah pegang Go pro. Bukan nak guna sangat pun... 🤣
@@KhairulVlog Aku nak guna untuk motorsikal. Buat kenangan ride , safety Dan evidence jika perlu . Naik Motorsikal ni mcm2 boleh Jadi hmmmmm..
@@pdrider7918 so far, aku rasa go pro 10 ni dah level paling tinggi dah. Kalau kata tahun depan keluar go pro 11 pun, upgrade dia dah reach lebih dari standard teknologi Malaysia dah. For example, mana ada Kebanyakan TV 4k di Malaysia ni. Ada org pakai, tapi x banyak. Dan go pro ni, dah boleh shoot 5k kot. Which means in future, bila TV 4k dh murah gila... Dan kemudian TV 8k pun dah murah, teknologi go pro 10 masih x outdated... 😊
@@KhairulVlog wow nice !! Those are very good points 👍
This is amazing. You actually create the content the viewers ask for.
Thanks - I try!
@@Dcrainmaker On a side note, thank you for confirming that we can operate a GoPro 10 entirely on USB power.
Great video! Thanks for doing all of those research. Another thing I found that's helpful when shooting indoors is to turn off the Hypersmooth. For most people when shooting indoors, you don't need Hypersmooth since you would mount the GoPro on a tripod and set it up at one location. This usually extends the battery and the time for overheat.
glad to see that what i've always experienced was proven by your test, i could record 3+ hours(battery removed, connected to a power bank) of 4k60 footage when i'm cycling even if it's 34 degrees Celsius(93.2 Fahrenheit) outside because there is constant airflow, but when i have it stationed in the car, even if i blast the AC, it will still overheat.
Yup, makes sense! Though, if you can funnel just a tiny bit of that airflow (maybe even using the window defrost vents?), it'd probably do the trick! The air coming out just has to be less than about 115*F. :)
@@Dcrainmaker interesting, i never mounted it near any vents before.
Dude! I was using my go pro in my garage yesterday and it over heated in 20 mins just sitting still. Thought I had a defective unit until I found this video!
Thanks for going down the rabbit hole.
It appears you need to have a Dyson fan (quiet) blowing at it to use it indoors.
Ray. You are a national treasure. 🙏🏾
Haha - thanks Alan, appreciate it!
Great video and a helpful reminder. I was unaware of the overheating issues GoPros suffer from. so when I set up my GoPro Hero8 this summer, outside on a tripod, in the sun, attached to an external battery pack (with the batter still in it), set it to Time Lapse, and walked away hoping to get a video of my old oak being taken down... I got a max of 20 min before it shut down. This might be an extreme case, but what I learned after the fact is that overheating GoPros are a common issue across all the models, and it is something (even looking at their quotes from the video) that they don't take seriously. If nothing else, they should provide guidelines like you are presenting here in your video so that users are better educated and informed without having to go digging around in online forums to figure out what went wrong after having lost their footage. They are good little cameras, but a bit more customer support up front could go a long way.
I shoot 20-30 minute worth on my S10 at 4K all the time with NO problems, indoors or outdoors.
Thanks for this definitive review. I have to disagree with one statement. At 07:10 you say you've wasted lots of time. You did not. ;D (this is by far the best review of this "problem")
Hahaha...fair point!
Ray, the quality of your work is outstanding. You really deserve a lot more recognition.
Really helpful thanks. One thing you didn't specifically note, is so many cameras overheat because of the amount of data that has to be written. Gopro do well just getting it to work. Like you, I think it's a great camera. Thanks for taking the time to put some data behind things.
Yeah, it is pretty much why they needed a new chip for the 10, they had pushed the old one as far as it can go.
I think you nailed it when you acknowledged that the more things you turn on that requires processing (GPS, horizon leveling, hypersmooth, etc) and higher frame rates, the more likely you are to have overheating issues. I was using mine outside in about 88 F temp, little airflow, with horizon leveling, GPS, and hypersmooth high, shooting 4K 60, and it overheated and shut off in about 8 mins. Cool camera you just have to consider the shooting needs vs environment a little more carefully. Kind of like any piece of sophisticated electronics gear.
My hero 10 recording for ~12mins and sitting for 30-40, took 5 games to overheat. (Indoors/4k120/boost/didn't turn it off/no battery/waterproof housing/back door cut for screen access/side whole cut to size for a usb-c, housing painted black)
I also left it on, set to 4k120 sitting on my desk, not recording, and it got close to burning my fingers hot within 5-7 minutes. (battery installed, no door) I think if I turn it off in those 30 min periods I won't have any problems. So if you use the camera as i do, you should be fine.
I'd assume the camera getting hot while not recording is due to Hindsight-Mode being active?
hindsight mode turned off
@@FOVAirsoft That's weird. One should assume that state would only require a very limited amount of energy.
my Hero 9 had a overheating problem until i buy a new battery and it never happened again. For me it it was 100% a defective battery that started overheating in a few mins and kills the camera too. It was the batttery that was overheating, not the camera in my case. Hope it might helps.
Man this to much GoPro is bull Shyt!!!
Thanks so much for shooting this. I’ve wanted to upgrade my older Akaso V50 for a while, and it looks like it’s definitely time.
This is so awesome, great work Ray! Like yourself, I use these "action" cams in action, ie cycling, running, etc, so I wouldn't see overheating in normal conditions due to airflow and outdoors.
Thanks!!!
It's like covid-19 then, just stay outdoors to be safe.
Great video - thanks for sharing. Concerning GoPro comments regarding the average length of clip. They should consider the fact they have added the hindsight feature which along with the max lens mod is the mode I use 90% of the time and is the reason I bought the 9. I live in Malaysia - hot humid - generally no wind. As I understand hindsight, the camera is essentially running all the time in the selected mode. I can get usually max 15mins in hindsight with the lens mod attached in 2.7K 60fps. I am a fly fisher and hindsight is so good for me to capture the exact moment a fish grabs my fly in the water. But, because of overheating I have had buy a 2nd 9 so I can continually swap over and let one cool and I probably need another one. I was hoping the 10 may resolve some issues but from the evidence in this video it would appear not. Anyway, great video and thanks again for taking the time to put it together. New Sub here!!
Faster processor but probably more heat too.
I admire your scientific approach and all the effort you put into your testing. Great summary at the end... I hope that Gopro appreciate your dedication. They should sponsor your video. 👏🤓💰
So thorough.
I’ve only had a handful of overheating incidents with my hero 9. Happened at the end of some long runs over the summer. First, stabilization stopped working randomly on some but not all clips. Then, it just wouldn’t turn on anymore
Always great and more importantly quickly to the point. Your presentation model should be emulated by all.
Thanks!!!
Thank you for putting the time in! Really appreciate the data and will run my own 'settings' tests when I finally get my 10 to see if changing settings does/will make any difference.
I found this video really insightful, and thank you for the effort you put into it. I record outdoors, walking slowly, where it's 95 degrees on the regular with little to no airflow, in approximately 5-8 minute sessions at 4k30. I have learned to turn the camera off while I compose the next scene, which takes me about 3 minutes. The 10 still overheats pretty regularly, and it's extremely frustrating. I had the same issue with the 9. I've considered carrying a cooler with me (with ice) to drop the camera in while I compose my next scene in hopes of not getting my scene cut short by a overheating shutdown. What are your thoughts on this, or other ideas?
I'm learning quickly that these cameras are better suited for indoor use and are not the amazing outdoor action cameras that @GoPro wishes them to be. The fix would be for everyone of us to stop buying them and after @GoPro's pockets start hurting maybe they'll get serious about designing a more heat tolerant product.
For me the problem would be how long the camera is down. What if I shoot several 10 minute segments for an hour at 80 degrees outdoors, swap batteries it is going to die if I then shoot a 30 minute segment and for how long. My S10 will chug along for hours buy apparently not the GoPro 10. It's still unclear if I drop to 4K/60 and am outdoors at 80 if I can get the usual hour before it over heats. How much total time do you get at a similar 4K/30. I too would probably shoot minutes worth as a time but at more like 80.
Obviously, I have to stick to my reliable S10 for indoors. Quite frankly it does better than any DSLRs under a grand anyway when it come to video, it does lose out for stills in many situations since it does not have lenses that can really help get a better shot. The new S20/21/22 had one sensor with really high resolution, over 100 MP which kills most DSLR sensors.
@@Breaker_o777 They're completely useless indoors, unless you have lighting specifically for shooting. GoPro needs a ton of light to provide at least phone quality image. I initially bought it for indoor use, and the first thing I said was that "I guess this is only for outdoor use".
The bottom line is that GoPro is only for situations when you need extreme mobility.
My geek side really enjoyed the thoroughness of this content. I hate when creators just say, "here's a problem...," but don't provide supporting evidence/documentation. Thank you for this very useful video I am much better prepared for my future uses.
Totally "heroic" in your efforts, Ray! Totally epic! If I could subscribe to your channel more than once, I would!
Not a waste at all bro. We appreciate you 1000%
Thanks!!!
Wait wait wait. . . let’s go back to that fridge again. . .😳🤤
A beer fridge can serve many purposes...
There was beer in that fridge
Brouwerij Het IJ!?!
@@Dcrainmaker I have several.
Epic testing my friend, you went above and beyond in this video. This is the best Hero 10 video ever. Thanks for putting in all the time and hard work on this video.
I like using go pros for hidden cams in my social experiment videos and films. That’s why I love these things because of how small they are. This over heating thing scares me. So hopefully there is a setting in a firmware update you can switch to and from like for out and about and for static shooters. My hidden cams would be outdoors and indoors. So that isn’t a factor
From many of the comparisons, it seems that the overheat time is near what the battery limit time is. So, you're going to have to either cool it down or change batteries even if it doesn't overheat. And if you can use an external battery, it won't overheat at all.
You went above and beyond the call of duty. How can I not hit that like button.
HI Ray.
Just a heads up that the cold battery alert you see at minute 9 is a known bug and will be fixed in the next release coming in November.
Aww, great! Good to know - thanks!
Thanks for doing all the tests and making this video to help the rest of us :)
My one complaint (and you're not the only person that does this) is when a test is a failure (like the camera fell off its perch) you should really redo the test. I know you have "reasons" for not, but if you're going to spend all this time and do all this work, what's another hour to redo the test using a better setup so it doesn't fall. It just seems like you (and others that do this) just give up and shrug "eh, whatever".
I'm not trying to nitpick or be an ass, sorry if it comes off that way. Just trying to point out a fault to improve the content for everyone :)
thanks for your work :)
Giving Project Farm a run for his money with all the scenarios and jigging! :D
Haha...he's at an entirely different level!
The Hero 10 is a great test subject for overheating. I recently bought a Hero 10 and put it on my motorcycle and after 2 hours of riding (some is stop and go) there was overheating issues. Just like what you've found. I'll be posting a video on the hero 10 also on my channel focusing on the mounting of the camera on my Versys X300. I just finished a windshield design project and spent over 100 hours doing it. I know how these big projects can really get huge. Thanks for sharing. GoPro just released another Hero 10 firmware upgrade 7/20/2022. Let's see where this goes.
Epic in way only DCR could perform
Thanks!!!!
WOW this was very helpful to us in our business! You must have put so many hours into this research. We regularly film our events with cameras running usually for an hour at a time, sometimes 1:15. Thank you so much for your efforts here! - Chris Britt, HeliBacon
No problem! Don't forget to grab the latest firmware, which has new options that came out after this video, to help significantly.
Submerging in non-boiling water or putting in a freezer is not how to test overheating.
Set it on the dashboard of a south-facing (in USA) car and do a 200-hour hi-def livestream.
Did it lose connection, glitch, freezer, or shutdown? Or at the 199th hour was the broadcast fine.
Most elaborate review and testing of the gopro
Thanks!
I can see Ray one day doing teardown videos with a multimeter testing components and thermocouple temperature readings.
Haha...I wish!
@@Dcrainmaker I can send you a multimeter. I somehow ended up with two of them
What a fantastic bunch of tests, cheers for doing that!
First off, I fully understand the limitations of filming at the highest resolution and frame rates.
HOWEVER, when filming at the LOWEST rates, I have to say the Hero 9 (and based on reviews of the 10 overheating sooner than the 9) is a failure!
While I wasn't always at the cutting edge of the Hero line, here's when I bought my previous GoPro's:
2011 = Hero
2013 = Hero 3 Black
2017 = Hero 6 Black
I admit I live in Arizona and hike and/or mountain bike regularly in 100+ temps and both my Hero 3 and later Hero 6 could film 45-60 minute rides without overheating OR running out of battery life.
The Hero 6 could even handle over an hour of non-stop filming (5-minute loops @1080/60) in 100+ degree temps on the front bumper of my Jeep (plugged in to an external power supply instead of the battery) while driving slow over rugged terrain with NO overheating issues.
Ok, so being happy with those GoPro cameras, with all the hype of the 9 & 10 I figured it might be time to move up to being able to film at higher res/rates and took advantage of the Hero 9 Black online web deal.
Spoiler alert: BIG mistake!
First time out on my mountain bike filming at 2.7k it barely made 15 minutes before shutting down and it wouldn't turn back on, so I cut my ride short and went home thinking I'd do some research and figure out what the problem was.
After glancing through a few forum threads the supposed consensus supposed remedy was to "Film at a lower resolution, lower frame rate and film short clips"
Hmmmm. Ok, so all the latest and greatest features touted for Hero 9 Black compared to my "old" Hero 6 are just bull-puckey? Well let's find out.
The next day I went biking to do an apples-to-apples side-by-side test between the Hero 6 and Hero 9.
With both set at 1080/60/GPS OFF/No ProTune (essentially basic filming) and with 5-minute looping the 9 overheated and shut down within 15 minutes with battery down to 30% while the 6 was still filming showing battery at 76%.
No point in beating a dead horse (dead Hero 9?) so I put it away and continued filming with the Hero 6. After 40 minutes out in the Arizona sun at an ambient temp of 95-98° the Hero 6 provided nice 5-minute clips @1080/60 with no complaint, whereas even when it was filming, the 9 only created 1-minute clips.
So, back home I call GoPro to see what can be done about the overheating and 1-minute loops.
After a 45 minute call to GoPro in an attempt to fix the failed looping (only creates 60-second clips whether set at 5 or 20 minutes) and still no joy, I returned the Hero 9.
Thank you GoPro for the relatively pain-free return process! (but then with plenty of returns to streamline the process it's all one could expect.)
The 9 & 10 may be fine for short clips and/or in cool weather but what's the point of 5.3K if you have to set it at 1080 for longer clips?
Actually, leveling and smoothing were the only features on the 9 that I would have wished for on the 6, but not at the cost of overheating and terrible battery life.
No thanks, I'll stick with the Hero 6 and be done with GoPro's.
Makes me wonder if you have a defective unit?
@@lawrence_SoCal It most definitely it is/was a defective unit, in more ways than one.
However, based on the myriad of folks complaining about various issues, overheating in particular (in various online forums including the GoPro community) I have to believe the defects are in the design and/or engineering. If not, why are the SAME issues cropping up from what, the Hero 7 onward?
More thorough testing PRIOR to release of EVERY Hero should have been #1 priority instead of the broken record of "We are working on further firmware improvements for HERO(insert model # here) based on your feedback..."
What? You didn't get enough feedback from the 8, or 9 to figure out what issues could have been avoided with the next generation Hero?
While I would LOVE GoPro to at least fix the big issues and be open & honest in their advertising about the capabilities AND limitations of their "action" cameras, the fact that I haven't seen any movement in that direction over the last few years I've pretty much decided I'm no longer going to be a GoPro guinea pig.
On the other hand, as a former software test engineer, if GoPro would provide me a camera to test and return with a list of issues to fix, I'd be fine with that, I just won't be fronting any cash.
You've made it clear for me....I was hesitating to buy it. Now i definitely get it...
I came here for a "thorough" review. Instead I find that he didn't even fly to Dubai for this test. Unbelievable. Poor form. 😂
Any other year…I very well probably would have…
@@Dcrainmaker Haha! Seriously though. Love the work you put in to these videos. So good!
Thanks for the video! I bought mine 7 months ago, didn't know about all the hype about overheating. I bought mine mostly for snorkeling and other than one hike and playing around with the dogs, have only used it for snorkeling, no issues, love it. Then started seeing all the doom and gloom about it overheating and started getting worried, now I can relax again and just enjoy my camera :)
In water it is going to get maximum cooling. 74 degree water will remove 10 times as much heat as 74 degree air. Of source it is only good for snorkeling and not SCUBA without a case. 33 feet rated really means 6 feet if moving. That is why SCUBA equipment is rated for over 600 feet (20 ATM) since it really mean 100 - 200 feet which is the max you should be diving at.
Ray, Great job as always! Thanks for investing the time to do these tests!
Thanks!
Hi James - huge thanks, very much appreciated!!!
Great work on this video! I wasn’t worried about the overheating personally because I use mine outdoors with air flow in a action setting 90% of the time! But this video is awesome to show someone that is worried about the overheating issue.
This is phenomenal work Ray....thanks a lot for investing so much time and giving us the logical comparisons in different scenarios.
Keep up the Great job !!
I made the same sort of measurements on both my Hero 5 black and Hero 7 Black and got similar results. The indoor/outdoor argument is overshadowed by air movement / no air movement. I was shooting on a tripod outside with both cameras on a tripod (looking at my golf swing from behind and from the front) and typically only got about 15 minutes in shaded, but hot, Arizona summer temps around 100F. I attempted many types of shading and reflection to no avail. When the data was sent to GoPro the only feed back I received was basically “yep, that’s how it works”. Just got a new Hero 10 but no temp tests yet and after your fine video I probably won’t bother 👍
Well done on your meticulous testing! Now can you repeat the overheat scenarios with different stabilisation settings ;-), GPS and WIFI disabled etc.
You do see GoPros used as mini static camera for recording various events. In these cases, mounted on a tripod there would be no need for stabilisation, but you can always go with the option to remove batteries and use an external power source, which lasted well in your tests.
Super impressed at all the time and effort you put into this. Great video!
Ray's dedication is unmatched. Thank you for all your efforts 👍🏻
For me you didn´t wasted time on this video, you invested and you are helping, that´s never a waste. thumbs up. Thanks.
Wow, that's a lot of research work. Brilliant, well done, and thanks! Very interesting for me as currently trying to decide between GP10 and waiting for OA2.
Perfect for new user with the exact question regarding heat with a Protector Case. Great video with lots of useful information.
Great video!!! I mostly use mine static , and I live in Florida. Today it's 98 by the thermometer outside. It's 110 in my garage with no air moving. I shot about 50 minuets of continuous video on 5k 30, in the media mod case with no problem because I keep a small fan blowing on my camera. I use an external mic. Keep in mine I'm completely new to gopro so this hero 10 is a big learning curve. It was simple for me because the camera was designed to be on the go hence the name. It wasn't designed to be a stand alone static camera. That's what gave me the idea to place a small fan on the camera and I've not had any issues since.
Excellent video in every environment any user may be operating in!
I appreciate you so much!!!! I love to learn. Your tests helped me make my decision as they seem non biased as well as the hard work put into this video.
Thank you so much for doing all the tests! This is exactly the video I was looking for😁
I hope GoPro are paying you plenty. Not because I don't believe you, but because I do believe you. This is one of the common comments I see everywhere and you've managed to bring truth to the argument. Well done.
Astounding, impressive…words fail me. Superb!
This that old school RUclips content. Soooo good.
Thank you for the good tests. Also great to see you bring the kids in the cargo compartment.
I appreciate this video. I kept cringing at all the videos talking about overheating in the hero 10. I know my hero 8 got pretty hot when I had in stuck to my windshield while riding off road. It was amazingly hot to me. I wondered if the 10 was much different and it sounds like. Granted the higher processing in the new camera probably increases the heat a bit and I know my 8 is not as advanced as the 10. At any rate, great video, always enjoy the content.
This video is incredible. Thank you for all your work.
Hello Rainmaker, thank you very much for all your hard work.(From Germany) In "real world" scenario . My First GoPro (8) runs as long as the battery take her alive. But this GoPro sits on my handlebar and runs in timelaps mode. For one hour Timelapse I need more or less one battery. The Second GoPro I use to film special landscapes left and right, while riding my bike. This GoPro is covered in foam to handl the wind noise. But this one only takes shots about 1-5 minutes. So all of this should be fine. But for me a big tipoc is battery life . I ride my bike for hours and run through 7-9 battery packs on a day . What I saw until now. I think with the GoPro 10 ,I would need 12-15 ! And a hot camera is not really a good thing for the life circle of a battery. But in the end, I think I will start with one GoPro 10 and find out on my own.
If you can get away with 60 FPS hypersmooth you might be OK.
@@toriless Hero 10 was a waste of money . I bought her for horizon stabilisation, the change from timelapse to normal view with on click and to zoom in the video(5,3k to 4k). The video stabilisation only works in good light conditions. I ride my bike through a lot of woods and then the horizon stabilisation does not work reliable. Video Quality is not better than my Hero 8s . For what I see , its worst. I have to capture video in 5,3k and than render it down to 4k to get a somehow "good" quality(like Hero 8). So no Zoom . Last Funktion is the change from Hyperlaps(Timelapse) to normal video with on click . Yeah this works. So waiting for Hero 11 and hoping that it will not get new batteries again.
I was looking forward to the DJI Action 2 and thought that this would help me avoid the Hero10's overheating problem. Since the DJI Action 2 now has the same problems and they are even bigger, your video helped me to focus on the Hero 10 again. Thank you very much for your effort!
Lower the frame rate, unless outdoor and not too hot, it is still unclear of 4K is much different from 5K as long as you use 60 FPS. Where I live it is 20 - 90 F except a few days a year.
🙏🙏🙏🙏 thank you for this lengthy research! At least now I have a clue how to decrease the overheating while using gopro hopefully.
Great work, thanks! I've had no heating problems with my two Hero 10s. Good to know what the limits are, though.
Can i ask how is it so far
Thank you so much for doing this analysis. The information you gathered is super useful!
Today I bought this amazing Gopro 10 guy for my vlog. Thanks for your excellent explanatory video to make my life easier.
I rarely comment on video but this one is awesome. Thanks for doing the hard work on this.
I comment all the time, it boost videos up according to the youtube evaluation schema, you may get 0.3% commenting on 1 video but 3% on another, youtube will recommend that second version more.
This is a phenomenal piece of research! Great job!
I've used my Hero 9 (and a Hero 5 Session before that) as my bike camera recording continuously on a handlebar mount - putting in about 100 miles of riding per week. The Hero 9 camera is used to capture wildlife or traffic incidents on the street. I then pull video or stills from the footage when there is something captured of merit.
I run the GoPro 9 camera for 2 to 3 hours at a time using a USB power brick for power. I shoot at 5K 30. After thousands of hours of use in the desert heat of southern Arizona, I have never had my GoPro 9 shut down due to heat. Temperatures in summer are typically 90 to 100F at the times I would ride. My two previous Sony action cameras (Sony HDR-AS200 and FDR-X3000) would occasionally shut down during the hotter weather of summer.
I found the same thing as you. The camera stays fairly cool (warm but not too hot to touch) mounted on the front of the bike with the breeze going by.
excellent video and great information on how to get past the GoPro issue.
Your thoroughness is going to be legendary, I assure you, and THANKS! :)
Bro you're killin it literally
Ray you did it again! Great informative video !