Flexible Dust Collection Piping
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2020
- Dust collection piping is a mundane topic considering how important 'getting it right' is. Check out recent upgrades and improvements I made to the flexible piping system to see if any of them can make your system more functional.
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I hope you run a continuous ground wire throughout your hoses to prevent sparking and combustion of the dust.
You'll be surprised and amazed that I see no need for a grounding wire using the anti-static flex duct from Air Handling Systems in my shop James. This is what you see in use in the video: airhand.com/product-category/flexible-hose/anti-static-flexible-hose/ and I've experienced ZERO static build up issues. Anyone who believes a ground wire is necessary should certainly incorporate one into their system but I advise research into the necessity of the practice. You may be surprised to learn that sparking and combustion of dust is a bit of a myth... but don't take my word for it. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry your hose has it built in from the manufacturing process. The hose that I have used over the years do not and the static build up was horrendous under the right humidity conditions, until I incorporated a grounding wire. Combustion under those conditions is not a myth but are easily avoided by not using the less expensive flex hoses , or by using all metal ducting , running a continuous ground or use of flexhose like the one you have, and of course avoiding plastic couplings. It would be interesting to see the installation instructions that come with it. Thanks for the new info.:-)
They are anti-static hoses so a ground wire isn't necessary.
That's an old wives tale.
@@AdamMuhle the wire is built into the hoses.
I am so glad to see someone else using their table saw for an assembly table, paint table, work bench, and as a table saw. Hey, don't sweat the small stuff. Your duct repair/mod/update looks great. I love your work and your high content videos.
Not to mention potting bench, staging area, rolling shop scaffold, lumber rack, layout table... 🙄😎
Another great video, Matt. Showing the cockups and how you fix them is just even more knowledge to be gleaned. I work a lot with my father (He's a carpenter and plumber, while I'm a "carpenter" and decorator) and I always ask how he'd go about fixing something because there are as many ways to fix mistakes as there are to make them, and learning how other people think about issues helps to build my own problem solving skills.
You're only as good as the mistakes you can fix, right? Bet you've heard that from your dad a time or two... Best, Matt
This is excellent information, ... and as a person who is often “chasing” my work, seeing someone so productive and still operating at a high level with a clean shop and versatile shop space is inspiring.
Always enjoy your vids! Thanks.
Nice addition to your shop Matt! Really like the flexibility you have created. Nice system!
This guy is great! I learn so much from him!
Very cool. Did not know all that could be done. Thank you.
Another great video
Amazing video! Thanks alot!
Over 200k subs, congratulations Matt on the growth and success on the channel
Thanks for noticing and commenting... hits viewers and subscribers like you that make it all possible so I thank you for your participation and look forward to the next milestone! Best, Matt
The way you modified that mis ordered fitting was very impressive.
Thanks for saying Brian... it comes from Decades of experience glean from making big mistakes... oh wait no did I just say that out loud?! 😳😉😎
Great information as usual in your videos. And a special note to thank you for keeping making them despite people jumping in to comment on safety. I would probably not be able to keep calm and motivated like you when reading comments about my "hand in the wrong place on the angle grinder", or "wearing gloves when using the table saw", or that static electricity sawdust explosion thing. Thanks again!
Thank you so much for making 'a special note' in your comment @Et ca vole ?!... dealing with comments like the ones you cite is probably the biggest challenge of being a content creator on RUclips. It is SO true what they say "don't fight with a pig in public because you get all covered in s#$%, the pig loves it, and the public can't tell you apart"! I don't mind disagreement, even appreciate it, but I can't abide faceless, cowardly bullies who goad sincere content producers with inane comments and often get 'muddy' when I try in vain to push back.
Anyways: glad you like the video and took the time to let me know! Best, Matt
You're the best matt!
Hey Chris... hope you're doing well and prospering despite COVID madness... good to see a comment from you! Thanks for watching and 'being there'! Best, Matt
nice job and good info
Right on👍, I'll never have a shop but have been using more dust extraction on the job site.
This type of arrangement would be ideal for josites because of their ever-changing nature... hope it helps you out Randy! Best, Matt
Great ideas and info on how to do it here! My shop spends part of its time as finishing/paint; auto repair; place where home repair/improvement materials get staged; and sitting room to destress from a day at the office. A dedicated duct system is just not in the cards for me so this was quite helpful
Thanks Matt... I get the idea we're part of a silent majority who's shop setup is far from ideal but suits our needs and uses perfectly! Best, Matt
I can see how, in your shop that gets reconfigured to include metal fabrication and hot work, that control of combustible dust is crucial to keeping the place from burning down (after you're done for the day) from an errant spark and smoldering sawdust. Great explanation of your setup! Bravo!! The only down side I see is that you've got to step over the flex hoses, but if it works for you, its good!
I wonder if making a stand for the elbow (like you did for the wye) would be beneficial to keep stress off of the QD and fitting going into the dust collector?
.... Your "getting your ducts in a row" joke has me chuckling all day - thanks!
Great video & thanks for sharing your set up. I also currently run 4” flex hose to the different tools requiring dust collection, but my concern is the trip hazard of the hoses. I haven’t had a trip/fall yet in the 5 years since installing the dust collection. But I have purchased steel duct piping with the plan to permanently mount my General 1.5 hp collector & Oneida Super Dust Deputy cyclone to the wall & route the piping to eliminate any trip hazards. I just haven’t stopped long enough to do the upgrade. Hope I don’t regret that decision before I get the upgrade done 🥴.
Those are interesting fittings and I am glad you found they work for you. :) I was lucky that my setup works with the various rockler quick connect 4" ports, but it is good to see those options are also available.
I'm glad the QD fittings from Air Handling work so well too Joseph and it's good to know you found a workable option too. It's all about making your system work for your needs, right? Thanks for watching and commenting...
Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Exactly :)
I don't use my Whitney punch often but it's one of my favorite tools! Next level video....as usual, thanks Mr. Jackson.
I know what you mean about the Whitney Punch... it's hard to justify the cost for any one particular use but it sure is nice and handy to have around for the right projects when you think of it! Glad you like the video thanks for commenting
@@NextLevelCarpentry got mine from my dad many years ago........did not pay a dime for it!
@@rickcimino743 That's the best deal: free tool PLUS memories of Dad! 😎
Once again, great video. Thank you!
I like your tempo, and a ton of information.
btw: you've got a nice speaking voice.
Thanks for sayin'... I appreciate the compliment... especially on this video where I felt the shear amount of talking was borderline excessive😏 Glad you like the video... Best, Matt
Building a new woodshop this fall - will likely almost duplicate your setup as it will fit my needs perfectly!
I had my flex hoses on the ground too, but I got tired of stepping over them and knew eventually there would be a trip/fall as I already had a few scares. So, I am currently in the process of elevating all of the flex hoses. I am using Husky "strap hangars" from Home Depot, and it is a lot easier than I thought to simply suspend the hoses because they are pretty light. Am using metal Ys, and blast gates to control the individual routes. Am running internal copper wire to ground machines and fittings to the 4 HP Felder dust collector. Depending on how this performs, I will either leave it or transfer to rigid pipe, but my feeling is I won't have to. Shop is a 2-car garage with high ceilings, and lots of hanging access points due to the 2 garage doors installed, and with 4 HP dust collector, I may not need the reduced friction benefits of rigid pipe. Also, what I am doing now is a great prototype to see how things will work and what I need, before committing to a fixed-pipe system, should I have to go that route.
Very interesting. The connectors and adapters look first-rate. Thanks!
Good video. I planned my dedicated wood shop for several years. I worked with Oneida for a commercial cyclone system. Even with all the planning you can’t believe the extra fittings I have, and the ones I had to order. All my fault. BTW the complete system cost about $5,000. (Seems People always want to know what stuff cost). But my lungs are worth the price.
Not to mention it makes a safer shop, and it saves time when you’re not cleaning up sawdust at the end of the day.
A cyclone that can be installed between the molder or planner to collect the large chips before going to the dust collector might be a pretty good idea.
Could you please do a build on a day tool box like yours please
Love your videos very helpful
Looks like the tubing has a spiral wire running along the tube, this is your ground strapping. Just need to make sure you have the exposed wire made on each of the galvanized fittings to make the ground connection from hose to the machine which is grounded.
D Zee: There IS a helical wire in this heavy duty flex pipe but it's the plastic itself with anti-static properties that eliminates the need for grounding the 'exposed wire' to prevent static build up: airhand.com/product-category/flexible-hose/anti-static-flexible-hose/ If you choose to '...make sure you have the exposed wire...' grounded to EACH of the galvanized fittings you should but it's completely unnecessary in the setup I have in my shop and show in this video. Best, Matt
Finally upgraded my dust collection to the G700 on your rec - thank you! Now that I'm looking more into fittings - have you found that a longer length of 6" hose + shorter 4" runs performs better vs a shorter 6" and longer 4" (total run lengths being equal)?
I think you'll love that G5700... I'm not doing any ambassador stuff with/for Harvey anymore but still have no regrets about the machine and how it works for the Next Level Carpentry shop.
There's a bit of alchemy in determining hose size/length/configuration issues Paul but I defer to the guys at Air Handling Systems for advice. They don't do G700 specifics but can guide you through factors to make sensible hose/pipe/fitting decisions. If you call them ask for Kae... and tell 'em I sent you 😉😎 Best, Matt
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Thanks very much for the video, extremely interesting.
I hope you don't mind a couple of questions/points.
I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in the cost of things. While I completely understand your order is unique, still it would be helpful go know what this costs.
Second, you keep referring to wanting to change the 90 degree flex hose with the smooth 90 but you never had a 90 out of the collector. In fact the hose out of the collector was very straight. Maybe a 20 degree at most. So you went from an almost straight shot into the collector to a most definite 90 degree bend, albeit a non flex 90. You do allude to perhaps moving the collector in the future and then maybe you would need the 90 but based on where the machine currently sits I am confused why you went through time and money to make the bend tighter.
Good questions Steve. Pricing for standard fittings is available through the Air Handling website linked in the video description. Custom stuff has so many variables that pricing comes during the design process. The guys at AHS should be able to give estimates so you know if any particular piece justifies its cost. Keep in mind though that custom ducts, like anything custom, is likely to be disproportional in cost but, when it's the only/best solution it justifies it IMHO. Also: I run a for profit business in my shop so my perspective is very different from someone who has a budget for hobby/recreational use so other alternatives may make more sense.
About that 90 degree bend in the flex (good observation BTW) the confusion is from the way I staged the shot in the video compared to how it is in use. I often have a cabinet in the building process or a material cart parked right there where I posed in the video so that duct DOES have a 90 degree bend in it right there the majority of the time. I'm sure you can see it in the background in other shots in other NLC videos where my justification for the expense/effort to upgrade make more sense.
Thanks for watching and commenting here! Best, Matt
when you get that big elbow remade, you might consider getting 2 45s instead of a 90 to make the bend longer to reduce friction even more...
Hey Alden, I have an engineer buddy who explained to me that it's not about degrees, its about radius. With the cheap plumbing or HVAC fittings we frequently Frankenstein together in our home shop duct systems, long sweep elbows are either not made, or not affordable, so a pair of 45s separated by a short straight run is a cheap compromise substitute for a long sweep.
Once you get into the expensive stuff purpose made for dust collection, you can buy long sweep fittings, but for example a 6" diameter 90 degree long sweep like the one in this video is around $45 bucks (oneida) plus whatever it costs for the custom adapter he shows. Fine if you have it to spend, but I don't. I put most of my system together from 5" snap lock pipe at around 2 bucks a foot from my local hardware. When it came to wyes, I found usable 45 degree wyes for HVAC on amazon for 18 bucks. Leaky, but easily sealed with aluminum tape and economical compared to the $40 they'd have cost from oneida. I needed one long sweep 90, also over $40, but settled for a couple of $4 "adjustable" elbows I could chain together and seal with aluminum tape and spent the remainder on steaks and beer.
Wondering what the max gauge is for that Whitney hole puncher.
I'm sure it'll punch 1/16 in Steel but the product literature probably gives up better answer. FYI I've got a bigger bench top model that will punch quarter inch mild Steel so if you have need for a lot of punching on thicker steel there's options available. Pretty sweet little tools that's for sure... Best, Matt
As a really rough guide, use a factor of 3 for flex duct to solid. A lot depends on duct diameter, airflow, pressure but 3 is close enough. So if you have 3 foot of flex its about the same pressure loss as 9 foot of solid.
I think you transposed your length numbers Mike... if you'll edit your comment I'll leave it up for other viewers as I imagine the 'close enough' factor will be helpful... Best, Matt
Next Level Carpentry You just beat me to it
Edited my apologies for the transposition. Thanks for the videos.
@@mikes3723 HATE it when that happens😲😎 Thx for the info and edit! Best, Matt
Matt, I noticed you have some shots where you zoom in while you are talking, which is a nice effect. Do you have a remote or does Chip operate the camera?
Actually neither one Steven I just do that in post-production by zooming in digitally. If you look close the zoomed-in shots are always pixelated as a result. Sure wish I had a camera crew to do that because the video quality would be noticeably better and sharper plus it would be a lot less work...
@@NextLevelCarpentry Matt, the content is the best part, by far. I doubt anyone that follows you on here cares that much about the video quality, although I understand that you put your best work into all that you do. The in-depth explanations that you provide, the attention to detail and all those cool carpenter tricks make your channel stand out. Plus, you are not trying to set speed talking records like some other channels I follow - they can be overwhelming at times. I guess that is why your channel is at the next level. Now, I just have to learn how to weld...and grind! Cheers, Steve.
@@stephengee8488 thanks for a glowing review... I'll work to sustain it... With help from Chip and grace from viewers like you.
Hope you get to try some welding... It's not that hard to do well enough to get by... As long as you have a good grinder 😉😎
Man, that smooth el @ 5:18 is gorgeous hardware. Give us a hint, what do those sell for? How about the pant wye?
All of the standard configuration fittings are priced at the Air Handling website in the video description. The 'el' and pant wye are custom/hybrid configuration priced on a fitting by fitting basis. If you've got something specific in mind get in touch with Air Handling for accurate/current pricing/estimates. BTW You'll be amazed at some of the custom stuff they make for industrial manufacturing which you can see showcased on their website... Best, Matt
flex duct has a very high static pressure loss per foot...use it sparingly!
Hey Matt... are still happy with your Harvey DC??? Any issues??? I was getting ready to buy a ClearVue 1800 DC and saw your video on the Harvey. ALSO, do you have a discount code for the Harvey? THANKS & keep making these awesome videos!!
I've only gained appreciation for my G700 in the 18+ months that I've owned and used it. You can check out the recent video I did showing ductwork upgrades to see if you think the setup is a better fit for you and your shop: ruclips.net/video/DyXajabtBuY/видео.html I'm certain the G700 is a far better choice than a Clear Vue model for my needs and would be curious to hear what you decide.
BTW Harvey has offered some remarkable 'flash sale' pricing on the machine recently putting it in a similar price range as the Clear Vue making it a more viable option for many with the added benefits of all its remarkable features. With reduced pricing structure I don't have a special offer code for the machine anymore but I would appreciate if you tell Hung or Rayson at Harvey that you found them through videos at Next Level Carpentry.
Thanks... and thanks for watching! Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thanks for your quick & informative response! I love your mod for the cleanout!! I'm trying to figure out if the Harvey will fit in my small shop. I currently have a "frankencyclone" :-) tucked into the corner of my shop (a steel cyclone from fleabay, a motor from a Delta 2-bagger and an modified impeller). With the front inlet on the Harvey, I will have problems connecting it with my 6" PVC piping that is overhead. It is strange that they don't have the option on the Harvey for a top mounted inlet. If I buy the Harvey I will certainly mention you... FINALLY... any idea how many CFM you draw in the real world??? cheers!
@@josephshields317 you definitely dialed in on the intake Port location as the biggest drawback with the g700 dust processor. I don't know how to measure my real-world CFM but I know that as long as I don't let my filters get clogged up overtime that the CFM is more than adequate for my needs even with all flexible ducting. If you want some insight and information on how a gyro air will perform with your ductwork and configuration email Harvey Industries and request a call from Curt Corum... that guy knows more about ductwork design and configuration and performance than any other human alive today IMHO.
@@NextLevelCarpentry Perfect... Thanks for the info... I will contact Curt cheers.
@@josephshields317 If you have trouble getting through just email me via my website Nextlevelcarpentry.shop and I'll get his # for you...
'Banned Saw'; funny.
Caught that, eh? Simple humor helps make time in the shop go by a little quicker...😁
@@NextLevelCarpentry I find your videos entertaining and informative. Having a bit of humor makes things more human and less stiff.