Big Bear🦅Monumental Tantrum & Talon Grab📣Shadow's Stoic Nonresponse😎2022-04-27

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Комментарии • 188

  • @jacquicoder7160
    @jacquicoder7160 2 года назад +78

    Oh, the misery of being a parent to a demanding teenager! To me, that talon grab might have earned a wingslap. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, even if it didn't bring food this time. But Shadow handled it like a pro, true stoic that he is. Spirit has got to learn that things won't always go his/her way. Great teaching moment, thanks for sharing it with us, Cali.

    • @greytangel754
      @greytangel754 2 года назад +3

      Grabbing the talon...Spirit saying my kingdom for a fish dad.

    • @janiceplace7519
      @janiceplace7519 2 года назад

      you said it lol : )

    • @WeezyWeez1984
      @WeezyWeez1984 2 года назад

      Had it been anything other than Spirit and Jackie trying to bite him they wouldn't even be able to be close enough to even breathe on Shadow's talon.

  • @jongraham7362
    @jongraham7362 2 года назад +39

    Shadow puts up with a lot of whining in the nest...one reason why he is a good partner and father.

  • @debbiekeefer9214
    @debbiekeefer9214 2 года назад +7

    Wow Shadow great job! Spirit sure had a lot to say. Looked like Spirit at first was protecting Eggburt. What an awesome Dad!
    Teenagers. ❤️🦅🦅🦅❤️😃

  • @buffalosabresloyalist8913
    @buffalosabresloyalist8913 2 года назад +19

    "Demanding little brat! It's not like you'll stick around to care for me in my golden years." 🤣🤣🤣

  • @gramck4329
    @gramck4329 2 года назад +4

    'where's My Fish'!! ......'Where's My Fish'.......'Where's My Fish'......LOL! I remember Simba doing the exact same thing! Precious Spirit I love you so much!! Shadow sure could teach us human parents a thing or two about not taking notice of kids having tantrums!! LOL! Thank you Cali Condor for sharing this wonderful video of Shadow and his baby!!😊💕

  • @LewdMama
    @LewdMama 2 года назад +29

    Its fascinating watching other species young throwing temper tantrums. All parents are beholden! Haha!

  • @kristenmfclark1966
    @kristenmfclark1966 2 года назад +11

    Lol. Shadow gets Dad Of The Year!

  • @deborahwagner8496
    @deborahwagner8496 2 года назад +44

    Such a good Dad. Lessons are sometimes hard.

  • @lb1460
    @lb1460 2 года назад +8

    Gotta love Shadow..unflappable.

  • @GinaLovesN2Elevation
    @GinaLovesN2Elevation 2 года назад +62

    Shadow: Hate me now, but you are going to be READY after these “I’m not always going to have it my way” lessons for the future “Adventures of Wild and Free Spirit”… with Security Blankegg 🥚 as a sunny sidekick 🍳. 🤣

    • @miglena2s
      @miglena2s 2 года назад +1

    • @73mycroft
      @73mycroft 2 года назад +5

      Good Gravy!! I kind of figured Spirit's tirade had to have something to do with the "egg"...lol. What a fuss he's making! 😆

    • @GinaLovesN2Elevation
      @GinaLovesN2Elevation 2 года назад +15

      @@73mycroft I think Spirit hasn’t eaten for a while and is used to being fed every couple of hours. From my understanding, eagle parents begin doing less and less for the eaglet and sometimes taunt them. Spirit will have to become fierce and resilient to protect, feed, and nurture his/her future family as J&S has done.

    • @achism1
      @achism1 2 года назад +1

      Haha awe

  • @parakeet8157
    @parakeet8157 2 года назад +31

    Shadow so used to Jackie & Simba's squees, doesn't seem to phase him 8[

    • @achism1
      @achism1 2 года назад +2

      Exactly

    • @saltyassassin
      @saltyassassin 2 года назад +7

      Selective hearing…. Every husbands secret weapon 🤣

    • @laurapallas
      @laurapallas 2 года назад +2

      Yes, I often wonder how he puts up with it!

  • @bealynn2258
    @bealynn2258 2 года назад +46

    DARN!!! I fast forwarded until over 6 minutes was up and Spirit was STILL Whining!!😝 🎧Tantrum !!! Spirit MUST learn She does NOT call the Shots!!😂😂 Dad is like... Hohum...🥱

    • @michellelong1805
      @michellelong1805 2 года назад +4

      Bea! I did the same thing. Spirit STILL WHINING!😄 I just love this family👍🏾

    • @Whatnok
      @Whatnok 2 года назад +11

      Me too! Hahaha She’s her mothers child! Minus that short stick play.. 😁🥰🙄✨

    • @achism1
      @achism1 2 года назад +2

      Haha!!

    • @colleenpogue4238
      @colleenpogue4238 2 года назад +6

      Me too. That noise would make me go catch a fish just to get Spirit to stop. Hahaha

  • @bettechic5052
    @bettechic5052 2 года назад +40

    Spirit: "What no fish, Dad I am NOT a happy camper!! Wait till I start stomping all over the nest just like my big brother Simba used to!!"
    Shadow: "Wow, you do sound just like your big brother...Feels like old times!"
    Thanks Cali Condor.. priceless!! ☺️💕💕

    • @SW13333
      @SW13333 2 года назад

      Another Simba :)

  • @RayaEagleWings
    @RayaEagleWings 2 года назад +4

    Spirit sure has “Spirit!” And a voice to match !!
    Thank you Cali much 💕☀️🦅🦅🦅 Finally able to catch up off work 👏

  • @melissayoung6481
    @melissayoung6481 2 года назад +16

    Shadow is like … really kid lol 😆

  • @88Amps
    @88Amps 2 года назад +11

    My kid is 45 and I think she's still whining about whatever it was I did/didn't do back in the day in the nest! TYSM @Cali Condor.

    • @6teezkid
      @6teezkid 2 года назад +3

      I guffawed laughing when I read your comment! I think my 37 year old is still whining about a few things from way back, also. Ha! 😂

    • @cowboykelly6590
      @cowboykelly6590 2 года назад +1

      BAHAHAHA.. 🤣

    • @cowboykelly6590
      @cowboykelly6590 2 года назад

      @@6teezkid 🤣💖.. true . I should of never told him, My son (38) that I bought 1 box of CAPT CRUNCH... Then Kept the box and bought ALDI'S BRAND CAPT CRUNCH . Then , While he slept.. I would pour the ALDI'S BRAND into the TRUE CAPT CRUNCH BOX . I told him that when he was 30... I THOUGHT he would think it funny . BUT... I HAVEN'T HEARD THE END OF IT FOR 8 YEARS NOW ! 🤣💖 I SURE LOVE THAT MAN .

    • @6teezkid
      @6teezkid 2 года назад

      @@cowboykelly6590 No way!! Not over Cap'n Crunch! That's one sad story. Ha! 🤯😂

    • @DanaAshlie
      @DanaAshlie 2 года назад

      Did your daughter not have kids of her own? That definitely helped give me a different perspective on things...

  • @Whatnok
    @Whatnok 2 года назад +16

    That is definitely one of Shadows traits. Poor talon… Shadow is so patient and relaxed. Silly tantrum, reminds me of sweet spoiled Legacy ❤️🎶 Only child syndrome. So cute!

  • @6teezkid
    @6teezkid 2 года назад +3

    I think Shadow knows Jackie is out fishing because he is vigilantly looking around. Teaching little one a bit of patience. Oh, wait...raptors don't have patience.

  • @carolwilliams7052
    @carolwilliams7052 2 года назад +5

    That excerpt was quite a show - - perfect example of how to raise the Next Eagle Generation - - thanks Cali !!! 💕👍💕

  • @sandyg3639
    @sandyg3639 2 года назад +5

    Spirit had this tantrum and Shadow barely responded. I think that upset Spirit too. Shadow is teaching Spirit that tantrums will get you know where. Love this family. Thank you Cali.

  • @miglena2s
    @miglena2s 2 года назад +19

    When The Stoic nonresponse is the Eagle's Response.

  • @tracimorrow9335
    @tracimorrow9335 2 года назад +5

    You are indeed stoic.Stickman.:)

  • @heidijakowski4146
    @heidijakowski4146 2 года назад +2

    Usually there's food in those talons on a return trip.....jokes on you Spirit, & Shadow didn't seem concerned about all your squealing... interesting Eagle family dynamic....

  • @Terri_Stauffer
    @Terri_Stauffer 2 года назад +13

    Spirit not only whined and grab Shadows talon, but also tried to take bite out of Shadow at 2:50. Shadow just moves away, not phased by Spirits little tantrum.

    • @DanaAshlie
      @DanaAshlie 2 года назад

      Spirit didn't attempt to take a bite...just being dramatic with the open mouth lunges. Had spirit tried to take a bite she would have made actually connection, and then we'd have seen a reaction.

  • @vanda6121
    @vanda6121 2 года назад +1

    But how cute, it makes insistence with Mom as all children do. Little Eagle you are really a sweetness!! 💖🐥💕😘

  • @cowboykelly6590
    @cowboykelly6590 2 года назад +1

    OH My ! Is someone having A...
    Lil "Lady" Fauntleroy Moment , A Daddies lil princess Moment !?
    I think my son pulled this once at the Grocery store when he wanted to go look at comic books while I shop . I said ...
    NO ! not on my watch ! You just wait till we BOTH can go together , we'll get to that isle. Makes me Smile thinking about it ... my boys 38 now . I LOVE THAT MAN . 💖🤠🖖

  • @saltyassassin
    @saltyassassin 2 года назад +8

    Shadow threw one heck of a side kick with his left clown foot!! 🤣 That was hilarious!! He pretty much told Spirit “I brought you in this world Shorty…. I can take you out of it too!!”🦅🐣🤣🤣🤣

  • @joycekane9024
    @joycekane9024 2 года назад +29

    Wasn’t letting dad near the egg ever again. My goodness what a temper lol
    Love Spirit

  • @juanida1955
    @juanida1955 2 года назад +2

    Omgosh! Now that’s what I wanted to hear. You go Spirit. Daddy teaching you now how to prepare and survive when you ever leave. I love this vid so much. I don’t want Spirit to leave. Such a great lil’ warrior. TY Cali for sharing. Amazing!

  • @Cfood
    @Cfood 2 года назад +6

    "You sound just like your mother."

  • @janiceplace7519
    @janiceplace7519 2 года назад +1

    Wow, Spirit really has a throw down this time . Shadow is the man !! lol 🤣

  • @watergirl929
    @watergirl929 2 года назад +7

    Man Spirit definitely has Jackie’s voice! I bet she threw tantrums just like this when she was Spirits age :)

  • @Hannah-ks4mi
    @Hannah-ks4mi 2 года назад +7

    Oh dear! When my little one behaved like this at the supermarket I got down on the floor and joined him. He stopped immediately!

  • @tammic.a.t.crazyaunttammi9275
    @tammic.a.t.crazyaunttammi9275 2 года назад +10

    I'm still smiling amd laughing! This is great Cali, thanks for sharing.

  • @dixiee3554
    @dixiee3554 2 года назад +1

    Spirit loves her/his unhatched sibling.🥰🥰🥰

  • @KimmieDawn78
    @KimmieDawn78 2 года назад +5

    The adventures of raising a teenager! 🤦🏻‍♀️
    Daddy Shadow says: No happy meal for you today since you going to act like that! And than he just continues to ignore Spirit! 😆

  • @tyruo9998
    @tyruo9998 2 года назад +2

    That was hilarious! I just caught that on rewind. Spirit doesn’t sound as loud as Simba, yet!, but there’s still time. Spirit is still growing. Shadow took it all in stride. Love this eagle family

  • @suzycat2026
    @suzycat2026 2 года назад +1

    Daddy knows best, Spirit will know this someday 😻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🦅

  • @joanies6778
    @joanies6778 2 года назад +3

    Just watched a fledged juvie steal the fish out of dad's claws just as he was descending into the nest. He flew away with it and his sibling followed. They are always stealing food from each other at this age, so it seems. These are some calm parents with all that squeeing going on. 😂

  • @densogirl
    @densogirl 2 года назад +4

    Stormy used to have huge temper tantrums & Simba, too.

  • @cynthiadaffurn
    @cynthiadaffurn 2 года назад +1

    I love the whining....whining.....whining. And I love Shadow's non-response. Very funny (and familiar) family dynamics.

  • @photocostumer1
    @photocostumer1 2 года назад +2

    Oh Shadow, you are such a great dad to your whiney lil Spirit!

  • @sophieh9387
    @sophieh9387 2 года назад

    Omy goodness Spirit! Give Papa a break!🤣

  • @jamesm9560
    @jamesm9560 2 года назад

    Was that a cute father son high five?? Yes!

  • @unohooclanunohooclan5945
    @unohooclanunohooclan5945 2 года назад +2

    SPIRIT SAYS: Daddy, see THIS stick here I just grabbed? Well yeah, I'm drawing the line here and you cannot cross it. This is my nest and My egg LOL! If you try to cross it snap snap bahhaha! SHADOW SAYS: I love you Spirit!
    I just Love Shadow and the WHOLE family. Never knew bald eagles were like this. Prior to this I never watched anything about birds and just in general in life I like blue jays and Cardinals or also the cool colorful birds you will see in Florida etc but after watching this channel for some time now I have really a liking to Bald eagles specifically& this family only LOL. I don't watch any of the other channels. I never thought that I would be fond of birds not even just one type like this. It's just amazing to see how the world works beyond just humans. So beautiful and just think how nice it must be to be a bald eagle! They don't have to deal with the everyday things that humans have to deal with UNLESS it's a human forcing our ways on to them which is really unfortunate because animals should just be able to be animals. It's just so beautiful to watch how natural they are in the world and I envy them, their beauty, their attitude, kindness.. everything really !

  • @vickikelly3059
    @vickikelly3059 4 дня назад

    I wish that I had been watching back then. Sprite is a perfect name. I hope that she still has that attitude and is doing well.

  • @bobbicarver1845
    @bobbicarver1845 2 года назад +2

    Classic “this is my house”!!

  • @mikemuppet3807
    @mikemuppet3807 2 года назад +3

    Shadow with his talon-fu, Spirit learned real fast dont beef up to Dad, though he withdrew quickly after but the tantrum geesh...

  • @karenspear3989
    @karenspear3989 2 года назад

    I think Spirit has the instinct to protect the egg. He/she will be a watchful parent when it's Spirit's turn

  • @flyfreeqhrt5484
    @flyfreeqhrt5484 2 года назад

    Awh. She must be hungry. Super tantrum!! Poor Shadow.

  • @arleenm7367
    @arleenm7367 2 года назад +3

    Reminds me of some kids I've seen at the grocery store.

  • @samanthadove5395
    @samanthadove5395 2 года назад +3

    Good job Shadow on not letting Spirit win on this one. Needs to learn the lessons of life. What a tantrum tho. Went on for a good 6 minutes or so. All I can say is get ready to turn down the volume!! Thank you for sharing Cali Condor

    • @achism1
      @achism1 2 года назад

      Haha. I know right!

  • @whipchick90
    @whipchick90 2 года назад

    Poor baby. The lessons to be learned!

  • @LeaXOXO17
    @LeaXOXO17 2 года назад +1

    Spirit acted like shadow was invading his next & he was protecting the egg (spirits brother).

  • @aprilhernandez4840
    @aprilhernandez4840 2 года назад +1

    Why is SHADOW THE GREAT HUNTER AND PROTECTOR so under appreciated 😠
    Shame on you SPIRIT😁

  • @lindabrokaw7552
    @lindabrokaw7552 2 года назад +6

    Not dad’s first rodeo…🤣🤣🤣

  • @deborahwagner8496
    @deborahwagner8496 2 года назад +6

    I want to eat NOW! Lol

  • @rhondabenz3150
    @rhondabenz3150 2 года назад

    Shadow just doesn't get upset.

  • @j9andphoenix
    @j9andphoenix 2 года назад

    It is hilarious when a fledgling still demands food in that 'I am starving' way in that I need it NOW way. Spirit has grown so much. Shadow is almost like Gregory Peck in To Kill a Mockingbird ( and yes it seems like I used that for effect but I truly did not}, He is so measured and patient so his child will grow up strong and independent. Love them all.

  • @MsEmizzleFizzle
    @MsEmizzleFizzle 2 года назад

    I've literally had this same experience when I worked in daycare. Just set them on a bench to cry and colored at the table until they were done.
    Shadow is just thinking "How long can you go for? Cause I can stare at these vistas alllll day"

  • @user-vc3ye8ht8k
    @user-vc3ye8ht8k 2 года назад +1

    It‘s fascinating that Shadow didn‘t slap Spirit after the talon grab, I am only imagining if it happened to Shadow with just another bird/animal, the other animal would certainly become food. I know many animals especially eagles are highly intelligent, but Jackie and Shadow many times just melt my heart.

  • @nomado3650
    @nomado3650 4 месяца назад

    I see talon grabbing was a regular exercise! 😁😁❤

  • @aquamarineblue8690
    @aquamarineblue8690 2 года назад +3

    Aww Spirit, it’s ok little one. Dad will bring you food 🐟Don’t despair. I love watching these growing pains. 🥰🐥

  • @SR-jq7nv
    @SR-jq7nv 2 года назад

    Shadow just letting him get over it😄

  • @hastycontemplation
    @hastycontemplation 2 года назад

    It looks like she is practicing protecting her little egg

  • @sometimeswine4jae334
    @sometimeswine4jae334 2 года назад

    Wow Spirit

  • @sandrap6321
    @sandrap6321 2 года назад +3

    Spirit has got cabin/nest fever.

    • @achism1
      @achism1 2 года назад +1

      Could be .. lol.

  • @mandyinseattle
    @mandyinseattle 2 года назад +1

    As I learned last night, this behavior is called mantling and every young eagle goes through it and it prepares this predator for life as an adult. Eagles don't view behavior and discipline the same way humans do.

  • @delciadasilvaprates1562
    @delciadasilvaprates1562 2 года назад +8

    Tadinho do papai shadow. Spirit está zangado. Será pq papai não trouxe um 🐟 ou pq mexeu nos graveto? 🤭🤭

    • @Qualeoquadrado
      @Qualeoquadrado 2 года назад +1

      Foi porque ele chegou com tudo e quase quebrou o ovo, Spirit ficou muito chateado com o pai irresponsável (mas é claro que Shadow sabia)

  • @mariainman3618
    @mariainman3618 2 года назад +4

    Wow...... Spirit is a brat quite often with Dad..... dad needs to do a wingslap on the nest...... (as if to say… Stop!) .....just to get spirits attention and get her back in shape

  • @pamspangle62
    @pamspangle62 2 года назад +3

    Be careful little Miss! Don’t bite the talon that feeds!

  • @dianahendricks7325
    @dianahendricks7325 2 года назад

    What I have noticed day after day that Spirit is protecting that egg The same way Simba protected cookie after she passed and wouldn’t let shadow and Jackie near cookie and would throw temper tantrum‘s when they got close. That was some demanding stuff out of Spirit. On today the 29th spirit was that way again with both parents when they got close. Spirit Ran back and sat on the egg. Interesting

  • @bethhogan4338
    @bethhogan4338 2 года назад

    Boy! Spirit seems so upset! Like "where have you been Dad??". Went right after Shadow the minute he landed. Ah well....parent of a teenager trying his wings.😑

  • @TOTALCAMARO
    @TOTALCAMARO 2 года назад

    Starting to sound like a teenager lol Too funny 😂

  • @nancywatson9709
    @nancywatson9709 2 года назад

    Wow that’s quite the tantrum! Spirit must’ve been hungry and was expecting a delivery!

  • @caseybourne4115
    @caseybourne4115 2 года назад +1

    I wonder if he’s trying to protect the unhatched egg.

  • @louellen7271
    @louellen7271 2 года назад

    Any other eagle would have earned a fight, but Shadow handled Spirit's tantrum with the proper amount of dignity & stoicism.

  • @magneticflux7833
    @magneticflux7833 2 года назад

    Hahaha lol adorable

  • @calyteri
    @calyteri 2 года назад

    Spirit is so mild-mannered compared to Stormy a few years back.

  • @mchenrysocali2880
    @mchenrysocali2880 2 года назад +4

    😱 That is crazy!
    Spirit was getting aggressive is it the food &/or being left alone? 🤷🏻‍♀️ Watching this live feed has been amazing! I have just been captivated.
    Does anyone know of a good documentary on Eagles?
    Thank you!

    • @SW13333
      @SW13333 2 года назад +1

      McHenry - I say he was hungry. He's a huge eaglet or rather juvenile stage. - Stephanie

    • @mchenrysocali2880
      @mchenrysocali2880 2 года назад

      @@SW13333 thanks!

    • @SW13333
      @SW13333 2 года назад

      @@mchenrysocali2880 - You're very welcome. - Stephanie

  • @Awakened_warrior59
    @Awakened_warrior59 2 года назад +14

    Maybe Spirit is angry because his parents leave and never take him or her with them. Missing all the wildlife fun times🫤

    • @TheTalksoup
      @TheTalksoup 2 года назад +3

      I think he id's afraid Shadow will remove his egg. He tried before upsetting spirit

  • @birutal4511
    @birutal4511 2 года назад

    Big Bear 🦅The eagle took the fish away from the older one. Thanks Cali Condor. 🐟.

  • @KiwiKiwi902
    @KiwiKiwi902 2 года назад

    HAHA Spirit has Spirit! ❤Terrible 2's. 🦅Shadlow's expression🥱

  • @SueSnellLives
    @SueSnellLives 2 года назад

    Baby is hangry and BORED--so anxious to fly the coop!

  • @LahainaKat124
    @LahainaKat124 2 года назад

    Wow

  • @jesuscastillo5371
    @jesuscastillo5371 2 года назад

    SPIRIT SURE IS LETTING HIS FATHER KNOW HENIS NOT HAPPY, LOL😁😁🌳

  • @dianahopson8833
    @dianahopson8833 2 года назад

    WholeySchmoley! Jacqui Coder, couldn't have said it better.

  • @donnaryanhaynes7951
    @donnaryanhaynes7951 2 года назад +1

    Must be so disappointing to come back to the nest where you left your beloved eaglet only to find Godzilla

    • @ImForgivenToo
      @ImForgivenToo 2 года назад

      I don't know about everybody else, but I find Spirit's attitude very disturbing...I have been watching simultaneously another nest (Florida) and I have never witnessed aggressive attitude towards the parents like this. He has had this attitude since day one (almost). I find the parents very patient.

  • @michelledmnds1980
    @michelledmnds1980 2 года назад

    Spirit is having a hissy fit

  • @Timbergal
    @Timbergal Год назад

    Why does remind me of the teenage years and tears at our house with two lolol…………..😢Sorry Dad❤ but PLEEEEEZE CAN I go PLEEEEEZE???

  • @diannenealon2245
    @diannenealon2245 2 года назад +2

    Lol time to start the drop and go parenting phase.

  • @hadassah2998
    @hadassah2998 2 года назад

    Wow! Daddy Eagle has to train this wild child , first with side kicks. Daddy is demonstrading a good side kick! Meanwhile Spirit is like where is the fish? Teaching patience and moves, but don't get near that eggie toy. He will have a bigger tantrum.

  • @kwgrid
    @kwgrid 2 года назад +1

    Wow! Cheeky!

  • @inhauscreative
    @inhauscreative 2 года назад +1

    MY EGGGGG :)

  • @joenicholson3447
    @joenicholson3447 2 года назад

    Mom, go get me some fishes , damnit !!!!

  • @natoya85
    @natoya85 2 года назад

    Ouch give me your foot. 🤣🤣😂 why you not bring me a fish? 😜🤪 GO bring me a fish now!!😂🤣😆

  • @easygoing1571
    @easygoing1571 2 года назад +2

    Oh My Gosh!!
    Is Spirit ok ??!!
    😮😢😬

    • @Mmdmade
      @Mmdmade 2 года назад +1

      Be more easygoing. Eagles have been behaving like this for thousands of years. It’s because there is a camera 😉

  • @nomado3650
    @nomado3650 4 месяца назад

    Why did dad cams empty-handed??? The baby is upset!

  • @steffie0383
    @steffie0383 2 года назад

    Spirit is hungry! 😔💔

  • @cherylw1958
    @cherylw1958 2 года назад +1

    So did Simba act like this?