RAD2x: ZERO-lag HDMI cables for your Classic Consoles
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2019
- I’m incredibly proud to exclusively unveil the “Retro Analog to Digital 2x” - aka RAD2x cables. These are the first and ONLY plug & play HDMI cables I’d recommend for use with 16 and 32-bit gaming consoles! Get yours here: bit.ly/rad2xhdmi
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There are more RAD2x versions for Genesis, Saturn and PlayStation, as well as a “SNES” version compatible with every console that shipped with a SNES-style multi-out, regardless of mod or region (seriously).
To be honest, I never thought there would be such an easy way to experience classic consoles on flat-screen TV’s without sacrificing part of the gaming experience, but thanks to a partnership between RetroTINK creator Mike Chi and Rob from Retro Gaming Cables, we have just that! Mike has essentially shrunk down his RetroTINK2x into a tiny PCB that allows the 240p RGB output to be doubled to 480p HDMI. This design, combined with Rob’s excellent over-molded, shielded cables, means there’s finally an inexpensive and simple way for people to properly experience classic consoles on flat-screen TV’s!
My goal for this video was to cover as much as I can, in as short a time as possible, as I wanted to spread the word without boring people. I’ll have more videos in the coming weeks that focus on some of the more unique features, as well as compare them to other options and even provide raw capture footage for enthusiasts to check themselves. For now, this “unveiling” should cover enough to get you started.
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Is there a reason the composite n64 video capture look so bad in the video?
Probably a combination of scaling and the prototype cable. The final product will look exactly like a shielded composite cable through the RetroTINK2x...cause that's essentially what this is :)
I'll have a follow-up video with much more detailed comparisons before pre-orders open, so you'll know exactly what to expect with the final production version.
@@RetroRGB Thanks for the clarification. Im looking forward to these more indepth follow up videos👍
The N64 is the worst console to try and make look presentable on a LCD television from all the info I've seen. This looks great compared to the competitors, that being said it's still not totally there. I believe getting an HD mod is your only true way to make this system look as the creators intended.
@@EngieDerek Id say svideo linedoubled through a retrotink2x is more than presentable but i understand the n64 doesnt look all that great by default.
Ultra HDMI Mod is the way to go.
This will be my Christmas gift to every gaming-lapsed friend I have!
Kinda wish it also supported s-video for gamecube/non-rgb n64,
but it's still very cool!
That would put it over the top for me. It's a great cable by the looks of it, but s video would be great.
Maybe they'll make a version 2 adding s-video functionality?
Agreed, S-Video needs to be here.
Yeah I was kind of stunned they didn't. Sure it's not as good as RGB but it's a damn sight better than composite. I even noticed that back when I used a CRT. S video is way better for n64.
Your mom looks good in S Video.
There was no warning Bob, this is exactly what I've been waiting for.
This channel is great, we retro gamers are so lucky to have a channel like this on youtube. Thanks RetroRGB
Thank you!!
Thank you for taking a look at these cables! Informative, and I am glad there is finally a solution that isn't the Pound Cables. Hopefully sharing this around with my friends will get them playing there older systems on modern TVs!
What an awesome breakthrough by the end of the decade regarding Retro Gaming.
I'm glad that some of the MVPs went and made a more consumer friendly option for people looking for an easy solution! I always hate when retro game stores stock those pound cables, but the price is probably the main driver in that. Hopefully people understand that spending a little more can really make a difference.
WONDERFUL product! Great job Mike! Also, thanks again for your incredibly informative videos, Bob! 👍
These really look great. Might snag one just to make things a little more convenient when streaming older consoles. Great stuff as usual.
Yeah, a few professional streamers with full rigs have already reached out to get these as their "travel cables". I love the RetroTINk2x, but if I'm only streaming, say, PS1 this weekend and I'm on the go, one cable vs three is WAY easier to carry with me.
Dang. These cables rock. I already got my OSSC but this is great for folks without a scaler
Great video, pre-orders are open again with shipping in December 2022. I just pre-ordered my Saturn RAD2X to replace my (second) Hyperkin.
Wow, boy am I glad I waited for something like this to finally come up.
8:45 Quick 240p/480i switching? Kind of a big deal there....
Yeah, right? That took this from “cool for certain people” to “I may have to pick one up”.
Interested to know what the deal is here - the OSSC switches pretty fast but only if your TV is able to quickly resync to the timing change. I can't see how this device can do anything that the OSSC doesn't, so I think it's still a YMMV situation.
My preferred solution is to use my BVM D9-H5U it only has 450 tvl so the interlacing is not super flickery and I can play in 480p on it
hmm.... the cable outputs in 480p, and switches quickly between resolutions, but always outputs 480p in itself, right? maybe this cable could fix the long wait time for resolution change with framemeister or OSSC.... or did i miss something
These look like they will be a great solution and the price is pretty reasonable! 👍
Thanks for your work over the years, Bob. Great video.
Thanks for the great info! I had thought I had lost my NeoGeo collection, but found it while going through my parents storage during my Christmas visit. The only major issue was the RF cable. I know, I know! It was all I had and ignorant high school me still loved it! Anyway, I remembered this video and checked to see if there was a NeoGeo version of the cable. And there is! All that's left is to wait for the cables to ship. Thanks again!
You'll be amazed at the picture difference you never saw before
NOW THAT'S A MIC DROP!!! Great video Bob glad there's now a cheap great solution..
The only downside is no svideo support. Which means the ntsc n64 and gamecube will default to composite, and i reeaaaally dont wanna give Eon my money for a super64. Guess my retrotink2x will have to do for now.
I appreciate that these are "dongles" with flexible cables plugging into the console port as opposed to the console butt plugs that have been released lately.
Agreed.
I legitimately audibly laughed.
Freaking awesome I'll definitely need to pick some of these up, can't beat cost efficient hdmi solutions
Works a charm on gamecube, clear, less fuzzy edges, brighter / sharper colours.
This looks like a great product! I just wish you would have shown how the AV Famicom looks using the cable.
It'd look exactly like the AV famicom via composite through a RetroTINK. Not great, but perfect if you're just waiting for an RGB mod.
Excitedly bought the Pound cable for my Mega Drive and then sent it straight back. Ended up buying the Analogue Mega SG and couldn't be happier
I have a bunch of consoles connected via composit video cable to my proiector.
This series of cables can change my "blurry" situation.
THANKS !!!
love the Remute track in the background
Me too! SO NICE of him to let me use his amazing music!
Oh shit at that mic drop. This is such a cool product.
Getting this for my SNES!
Nice touch using the rad racer attract screen for the rad2x review :)
LOL, I wasted so much time making that! Worth it :)
@@RetroRGB lol I enjoyed it, definitely worth it!
Great video! I would have loved one of these when starting out. I’ve gone down the rgb rabbit hole though but glad others might not have to!
Yeah, these aren't for people with full RGB (or component) OSSC setups. Great for beginners though!
The Retro community needs to be ashamed about how low it sub count is on this channel.
Your comment just made me hit subscribe, especially since I’ve been getting into video quality lately. I used to just use composite av cables on every console without hdmi. Now I’ve invested in a retrotink and will be getting component and s video cables for my consoles. Also heavily debating a crt, but I don’t really have the room for one any bigger than like a small 13” one
Bob is the man!! This RDA2x has a de-interlacing feature named after the man himself!! 09:27
super informative video! I'll definitely be preordering this thing
I will be ordering this as the last of my Hyperkin adapters has broken - hopefully an Amiga and also a PSP (Maybe too Atari and 8 bit Commodore too) version will come in the future! Keep up the great work :)
My two megadrive RAD2X on there way :) Tomcat Alley in all it's glory soon!
I pre ordered mine today.. it will be here in Canada by mid November. They start shipping the cables out on OCT 31. good price tag on them $80 to the door. Best price I have found so far for what for I want to do. I'm pretty excited
Great video, Bob! Very beginner friendly! This Cable is definitely the long awaited cheap and good solution for people that are not too involved in this scene and don't want an expensive and complicated setup (yet).
I do have one little gripe though: the Composite Video capture. It's unusually dark and very saturated. Is that because of the cable or just your particular N64 that you were using for capture?
I think it's a combination of processing and the prototype's firmware. We were concentrating all our efforts on the RGB auto-detection and weren't really paying attention to composite quality. The final product will look just like shielded composite through the TINK2x though...which is shockingly good on the N64.
@@RetroRGB Ok, thanks!
well I'm sold, can't wait for them to be available for my RGB modded N64
This is amazing! Picking up the Saturn version *immediately*
Pre-orders for the Saturn version aren't live yet. Should be next month.
@@RetroRGB I'll only have the $50 next month, perfect timing! KA-CHING
Finally! This is truly exciting. Been expecting something like this. Video is still playing ads. I assume this is based on the same tech as RetroTink 2X?
Glad to see that it is! I can see this having a huge effect on demand for UltraHDMI. Even though I sell UltraHDMI, I'm glad there's finally an alternative under $100 which I can recommend. Thanks for letting us know, Bob!
Well, UltraHDMI is better in every possible way, except two: You'll actually be able to buy this and you don't have to install it. That's a big deal for some, but if you can mod (and find an UltraHDMI), then absolutely do that instead. No disrespect meant to the RAD2x, it's just a fair opinion.
@@RetroRGB A lot of people contact me to ask about UltraHDMI when they hear about the group buy and I'm the first to admit that it isn't worth it for everyone. I like to list alternatives along with typical prices, strengths, and weaknesses to avoid any kind of buyer's remorse. RetroTink 2X and these cables have one more big advantage than the ones you mention: UltraHDMI makes no attempt to de-interlace 480i.
It just pipes out that 480i image as 480p or scales the interlaced frame as progressive to 720p/1080p, complete with interlacing artifacts. A digital display will also make no attempt to de-interlace with any of those resolutions, since it's technically a progressive frame of interlacing artifacts by that point. Granted, the N64 is primarily 240p and it's barely noticeable in 480i menus but the combing in a 480i game can be pretty distracting. Not with these!
Emmett Turner sounds like they need to re-make/improve the ultra hdmi mod to do bob-deinterlacing. An hdmi mod that cost $400 for n64 that doesn’t de-interface is kinda stupid. But hey if there isn’t many games that output 480i on it I guess stick with the ultra hdmi mod?
Emmett Turner what route would you go?
Now this I could get behind.
Just like me and your mom
@@Reformed_Borzoi Nice.
@@BarnyardCasanova
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nice .Thanx for the video Bob
Fantastic review!
I need this for my NEO GEO!
Rad!
2x
🙌 thank you for this video! So much good information in the sea of nonsense out there.
Got the rad2x black transparent limited edition for my second Saturn. My main go to is retrotink 5x.
That's awesome you were lucky enough to snag two of these! 👀... I've been waiting years and finally was able to secure a pre-order for the next shipment coming this October for the Sega Saturn. I noted in some of the reviews and others have stated that the mini HDMI outlet has issues with whatever adapter you may utilize that can possibly cause interference in video and audio buzz... I'm hoping this has been eliminated in this newest batch, so would you care to comment on the performance and any issues or anything at all with your recent experiences please? Thank you for your time and have a great day! :)
Seems decent for 240p content. I do sort of wish it could output 720p. I think my Samsung HDTVs add extra latency when upscaling from SD to HD video.
I've tested about 40 TV's with the Time Sleuth and none took longer to scale 480p than 720p or 1080p (to 4K)...they were identical. Interlaced vs progressive was the only difference....scaling 480i took around five frames longer! So, you shouldn't have an issue with this cable adding lag.
zaneiken It kind of matters. I definitely prefer the 720p output of my AVS over the 480p of the Wii. While I don't need razor sharp pixels, and even prefer the bit of softness that 720p displays, 480p is a bit softer than I prefer.
720p also works rather well when integer multipliers are factored in.
Sure it's nitpicking, but that's sort of what we do when we are striving for minimal increases in visual performance.
ps1 cable is a gamechanger as my framemeister is garbage at resolution switching, playing pop n music on it is impossible as by the time the game switches from the music selection screen to the start of the song the resolution switch on the meister is happening so slow that the song is already playing and i have missed loads of notes by the time the picture comes back.
Quality review as always.
I found the GUNDAM.
Very informative video. Thanks!
I would love this for original xbox with support for 480p. That would be amazing.
The Playstation cable doesn't support 480p, so not too useful for the Xbox if they build a Xbox version of this cable. Plus this seems to be purposed with properly upscaling 240p in mind, which is a non-existent resolution for commercial Xbox software. I would love to see a good Xbox HDMI cable though, but the specific capabilities of this cable wouldn't be a good match for the platform.
The retrotink 2x is a great option, but it does not support 480p, which is a dealbreaker for me personally.
I heard of the XOSBP or whatever it's called. A RUclipsr named Modern Vintage Gamer did a review of it.
Happy to see a solution for the masses.. that isn't crap! I'ma keep chasin the perfect signalz ':-]
From what I've read about the lack of Digital Pins on a Sega Saturn for Digital to Digital HDMI mods (UltraHDMI 64 and DCHDMI type) I think this is a must-have purchase for Sega Saturn owners trying to play games with 240p 480i switching.
So I've finally got one for my Saturn!
Looks great for the price. But, in all of the examples where the RAD2X was tested, I see black pixels (looks like 2x1 pixels in size) popping up at a random location of the screen, only to disappear a frame or two later. This happened on the SNES, Genesis, SMS, Saturn and N64 and you can clearly see it in the bright areas of the game capture. Since it happened in all the tests, it can't be the console output. This would bother me a lot, despite the otherwise clear picture..
Oh, huh. I see them too. Maybe it had something to do with the encoding or capture?
I was really surprised that Bob didn't mention this, or the flickering(?) in solid colors.
Uncompressed, un-altered captures will be posted in the next video. Not sure what those are, but my first thought it always YT compression.
I think that the ending actually convinced me to be honest...
I hope i wont be wrong.
This is amazing! The Saturn cable makes a pretty good picture. My original Saturn has a really bad audio buzz, even with the official S-Video cable. I wonder if the RAD2x will fix it.
In for the saturn version
WOAH
I'd seen these cables before but didn't know anything about them. They look like a fantastic solution at a totally decent price.
Also, has anyone noticed how his video and audio are not perfectly synced up? Every time he's on screen the audio is off and it drives me crazy, but the info is so helpful, I'm gonna keep watching. Hopefully he can figure that out. :)
It's so weird - Some people say it's perfect and others have trouble with the video sync. The file on my hard drive is perfect. I wonder what's happening...
I really need to triple bypass my Genesis 2
I use HD retrovision on my CRT. Looks lovely, it was probabaly one of the last consumer CRT displays, flat screened and very sharp.
There's no Genesis 1 version?
There will be, but for now you can just get one this to use with it: www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/32X-PATCH-CABLE-WITH-FEMALE-9-PIN-DIN?tracking=5543fb4c077bb
@@RetroRGB Thanks for the quick reply to this. Has the team mentioned any ETA for the Genesis model 1 cable, by any chance?
@@RetroRGB I have the Sega Genesis 1 with an 8 pin. Will the 8 pin be available?
Woah, that N64 composite capture is WAY off. Why is it so... red?
Emmett Turner yeah, it looks dark and oversaturated.
@@nickwallette6201 LOL! ...but seriously: I've installed hundreds of UltraHDMI kits into NTSC consoles and testing with composite is part of my workflow. There is something drastically wrong with what we are seeing here. It's abnormal even for NTSC composite on N64.
I was thinking the same thing. Shouldn't be an issue with the chipset either, since composite looks fine through the RetroTINK-2X. Wonder what's going on with that. Also curious about the black speckles that you can see occasionally in all the captures.
@@Sirotaca I need to look again but if it's what I think it is: The N64 RCP (GPU) actually renders with little single-pixel holes all over everything but a final stage in the RCP render path tries to detect these holes and fill them in using surrounding pixel data. It doesn't get nearly all of them so you see black flecks appearing on a lot of stuff. Still looks far more stable than PSX with all the texture warping. ;)
@@emmettturner9452 It's definitely not just that, since it's visible in at least the SNES and Genesis captures as well.
One error is the rad2x for the saturn requires usb power for model1 but not model 2.
You definitely saved me some money. Thanks.
Awesome Video Bob!! WATCH OUT THOUGH! I best stupid EON is going to just copy these and just reshell them, then up the price to $150 like they do with every product they sell. Mike Chi REALLY has to pursue legal action against stupid EON.
Mike Chi invents new retro gaming device.
Eon: *its free real estate* 😏
Is there a reason S-Video had to be left out?
Would it be possible to use the Genesis version of this with the Saturn via a HD Retrovision Genesis 2 adapter? Rather than buy two cables for two consoles; the one cable might work with both (Genesis and Saturn)?
Very nice! I'm glad there's finally a solution like this. The only thing I didn't like about them is that they seem to use mini-HDMI connectors, which I loathe.
More room on the board i guess. This is by Mike Chi afterall, the retrotink2x also used mini hdmi.
Wait so i can use these with my pal gamecube and it uses rbg natively?
Yes
Is there any reason to get these if I already have a retrotink 2x?
Probably not.
@@bluecollargamer7071 If you want to simplify your cable management for a single console. Like im constantly swapping out my snes and n64 with the retrotink2x. If i got one of these for my snes then i can just leave my n64 svideo cable in my retrotink2x and just forget about it.
@@ians_parks You could always get an svideo switch which would also solve your problem.
The tink 2x doesn't take RGB right? This will pull RGB from a stock SNES and Genesis.
@@jamon1567 the retrotink2x accepts comp, svideo, and component. Hd retrovision makes component cables for snes and genesis that essentially convert the raw rgb signal to YPbPr so that they can be used with the retrotink2x and any monitor that has component inputs.
Damn! Where has THIS product been all my life??
I have that mug , I love it and the Pipe one too.
This is epic!
Looking forward to the “My Life in Gaming” review.
What's wrong with this one?
@@RetroRGB lol
@@RetroRGB Nothing. I just would like their (additional) take on it.
And you don't think it's rude to comment on a video I just spent weeks on that you'd like to see another? RUclips comments baffle me.
@@RetroRGB no, and you're going to get more views for it. this is a great product--a game changer. you're going to get praised for it. ever heard of a second opinion? sheesh.
The N64 composite looks very dark and overly saturated, way more than on a CRT.
Johan Jernqvist I thought the same...
Bob claims this not to be final. Its simply protoype footage and they were more concerned with the rgb footage than composite at the time. The final product should look identical to a properly shielded composite cable.
@@ians_parks Okay, good to know then! I might actually buy this. :)
I guess I should look into buying a rad2x for my genesis 3. I bought a pound cable (returning it) and my Tv didn't seem to want to process the signal correctly. Same with the hd retrovision equivelant component cable made my retro gaming cables for my model 1 genesis (which I sold last month). Both consoles looked like a worn VHS tape film with flickering and jittering.
Excellent video my friend
Thank you!
Bruh! Wash the stainless steel siding of the garbage can.
LOL, it legit didn't look like that in person. The friggin camera picks up EVERYTHING.
Good thing influencers will keep shilling EON and Pound garbage.
Hope those cables will make it big. Not switching from my (RGC) RGB-SCART cables + OSSC anytime soon but that multi-out cable is mighty tempting! Maybe as a present?
I would tell people considering the retrotink2x to save up for an OSSC since they care enough to spend some real money. At this price that changes! This looks like an actual middle ground.
Hey Adam!
Your fav RGB scaler was labled "JUNK", Ha-Ha!
best retro man in the Universe!
"just designed to take your money"
EON btfo lmao
Only seller is in the UK? Urgh.
That's better than if the only seller were in the US. International postage costs are insane from the USA.
@@mrmaestrom Not better for me.
Shipping's cheap enough that it won't be much different than a US store. Anyone that's bought from RGC before knows the shipping is good.
@@RetroRGB Would any additional customs taxes be an issue?
Finally and ad that I don't regret watching
Um, was that some kind of passive-aggressive dig? This isn't an "ad", this is a review of a product i'm excited about. I don't get paid to make these.
@@RetroRGB it came up as an ad in my suggestive videos dude you paid for it to be and ad stop playing dumb lmao
Oh!!!!! LOL, I'm so sorry!!! Yeah, I spent about 50 hours making that video, so I wanted to promote it. My bad...I'm just so used to people coming in hard:
"Hey asshole, you were obviously paid to make that video! The pound cables are exactly the same and you're lying!"
Sorry, I try my best to reply positively, but I'm just used to getting shit on :)
@@RetroRGB it is the internet so i do not blame you love the product btw lol
This is definitely RAD !
So cool to see developments like this! For 480i content is this now a better option than an OSSC (assuming doubling to 960p isn’t supported by the display) and the RetroTink2X? Or same and just cheaper?
They would both "bob"deinterlace the same way, so it should be about the same.
Could you do a side-by-side of the ultraHDMI and RGBmodded N64 with etim's RGB mod+rad2x? I'm at a stand still at what to mod into my n64
Excellent video sir. New subscriber.
Hello good job, I have received a Pound cable today for my sega saturn the Picture quality and sound is good, but the lag is very High in Both TV 4k qled 7 and Also in my asus monitor
It's worth pointing out that in europe we almost always have component and RGB over scart inputs on modern TV's. This doesn't mean you don't have to consider lag but it does mean you don't necessarily have to tit about with hdmi converters.
I Love your intro 😍😍😍
Question, does it support the Brazilian PAL-M format? I have some mega drives, snes and a n64 that are Brazilian consoles and didn't undone their color format modifications.
Will I be able to use a RAD2X to output 480p RGB from a Japanese Master System (MK-2000)?? I reached out to RGC several days ago and haven't gotten a response yet. You mentioned that these cable work with consoles around the world but I wanted to double check. Thank you for your contributions to the retro gaming community. Happy New Year!
I don't think so, as the MK-2000 has a completely different output circuit than all other Master System consoles. It won't hurt to try though, as the signal (voltage) might be too weak, not too strong.
RetroRGB I appreciate the response, brother. I agree I figured the different output may be a hinderance. I know the Nintendo multi-out has the “auto-detect” but I was curious if the others “search” for the RGB signal as well. It’s all good though, I just picked up a North American Master System to be sure my console would work with the new cable. I can’t wait to see the SMS in RGB. My Genesis already looks amazing (as you know)! Thanks again man and I look forward to more of your videos. Take care!
Amazing.
That adaptor is amazing! Do you think it would work with an RGB modded Master System II? it should be like a Master System I, doesn't it?
Hi, is there any info when the Super Nintendo SNES PAL/NTSC Component YPbPr cable is going to be available for pre-order?
Awesome..thanks for the info..i grew up playing nes and snes and sega..n..been thinking of buying a sega mini or a snes mini n was wondering if they worked ok on new tvs or not..thanks
They r 720p output have nes and snes classic looks great
Hi! I have psx model scph-1002. I am trying to find solution how i can get colors on ntsc games. I only have hd-monitor and tv so the rgb scart cable isn't the solution. Should ra2x zero-lag cable to be answer? Or should i buy some high end rgb scart to hdmi converter?
Hi Bob random question do the gamecube or carby component cables work with the Y Cb Cr colour space, i'm looking at a CRT Projector that has these on the BNC Component inputs
I'm probably going to get the PS1 version because of that 240p to 480i switching. Wish I could get it now because I want to play Silent Hill this October but looks like I'm going to play it on my PS3 which sucks.
I'm very excited about these cables. I enjoy playing my retro systems on my flat screen but I always ended up having a jumble of cables with a converter jammed in between. This is a straight forward easy plug and play solution, that is totally worth the $50.