This is exactly what I love about Nvidia. Most often when looking at older mid 2000's or early 2010's era business laptops, other hardware is more than ready and powerful enough to run windows 10. But because Intel has dropped the driver support for the motherboard, those computers don't have working display drivers. Meanwhile my cheap hp pavilion dv6732eo laptop with it's defective Nvidia m8400gs gpu, still has working drivers for windows 10. So even though those 8xxx and 9xxx mobile gpu's were basically ticking time bombs, that without reflowing them once per 2 years would stop working. If you have one of those still working, while not actually no longer supported, it still can boot and support it's every feature in latest version of windows 10. Not bad for a laptop that basically teached me, that anything with hp is worth keeping far FAR away from anyone who you care about.
I knew it was going to work. I have a P3 and 512mb of ram and has Windows 7 on it. It was a lite version because I wasn't sure if it would work, but here you are installing full Windows 7. TL:DR, thanks for the video.
This video proves what I have been saying for years- Windows 7 will run on nearly anything lol. I have an old HP Livestrong laptop from 2004 that's running Windows 7 just fine with 2GB RAM, a 1.8 ghz single core AMD Turion CPU, and a 60GB SSD. Before that I had an old Sony Vaio from around the same time with a 1.6 ghz single core Pentium, 512MB of RAM, and an 80GB hard drive. That thing was far from fast, but it was still totally usable and stable until the motherboard died.
I was messing with similar problems 20 years ago. I think the problem why the CDs didn't boot is the UDF file system that your images are in. UDF was more common for DVDs. It was possible to burn UDF CDs, but that was a rather uncommon thing to do and it probably confused the PC at some point.
8:11 You thought about transferring the Windows 7 iso to the hard drive using a USB via windows vista, then mount the iso with a lightweight software like WinCDEMU, and continue with the installation on the new partition
If installing Windows 7 from the GUI setup fails, do this: - Make a WinPE CD image - Boot into that from the USB drive using PLOP boot manager - Use command line utilities to dump an image to the hard drive (diskpart and DISM) Also, try increasing the FSB (front side bus) speed to get the processor speed up to 800Mhz. On your board, this requires setting the appropriate jumpers.
Just a note, it would be worth investing into some re-writable DVDs, being able to format them and put something else on them is extremely useful for computer projects involving ISOs
The storage upgrade video would be fun. These videos have helped so much. What kind of DVD drive did you pick? I'm curious to see what you may make of trying to find bios updates for the thing.
Yeah I’ll have another video on Friday of me attempting to upgrade the bios. I just purchased a generic OEM DVD drive. I believe it was pulled out of an old system.
Good trick to install OS’es without using DVD’s: 1) Divide the intended hard drive into two partitions- a ~5gb partition, and the remaining space in another partition 2) Extract the ISO onto the 5gb partition 3)Boot from the hard drive, should load installation as normal and allow you to install to the other partition If you don’t have an OS, plug the hard drive into another PC and do the same thing. Hope this helps, it should also reduce install time by quite a bit. I’ve had to do this on a few occasions lol 👍
Great idea! Years ago, I ended up loading a Windows 7 ISO file directly onto the blank SSD with another computer because my friend's laptop didn't have a DVD drive and didn't support USB booting. I wasn't 100% sure if it would work, but it ended up working perfectly.
MJD I been a subscriber for a long time and I love your $5 windows 95 pc videos, thismorning I found someone threw away 2 PC crt monitors and a AST Advantage 9314 windows 95 pc, I cleaned it out and checked for anything missing and everything was intact and it booted right into windows 95 those times were gold back then, you’ve inspired me, Thankyou. P.S is there anything I need to know when working with this old rig,
Mjd one more thing, I found that the CD-ROM drive is a exact version of yours but, I cannot get the cd motor to spin, the cd tray pops out but there is no scanning of the disk or spinning of the disk and windows 95 says there is no disk in the tray, what can I do, I don’t want to break it
You can fix the resolution issue by installing the xp driver. (XDDM) Run the setup in XP compatibility mode. Setup should run fine but if it does fail it should have still copied to the driver folder in windows. After that go to device manager then manually install the driver. I've done this on my Dell dimension 2400. With the Intel 845g graphics. Hope this helps! This works for Vista and windows 7!
Old versions of MacOS require a Motorola CPU. I'm not sure it can be done on a non-Intel CPU or before OSX. (I have 10.8 on a Dell 9010 -- everything worked out of the box except the NIC.) But would be interesting to see the attempt... try one of the early Niresh builds, I think 10.4 is the earliest. If it does run, it'll probably take a good 15 minutes or more to load setup (it took about that long when I tried it on a 2GHz system -- at first I thought it was hung).
I miss windows 7 and its simplicity whenever I see such videos! I still have my old Athlon x2 3600 PC with 2 GB RAM and 256 GB graphics card; It's hooked to my TV and I use it to play some retro games like NFS MW! good times!
I have a suggestion: Can you try out installing a modern Linux distribution like Debian or Slackware, but instead of installing a DE at first, you do a minimal install and then install a lightweight window manager like Openbox or IceWM. And the some lightweight programs like Dillo and Links2 for web browsers.
If the motherboard has jumpers you need to set the frontside bus speed required by the cpu. If there are no jumpers have a look through the bios setup to see if there is a toggle value for the speed between 100 and 133 MHz. Hope this helps increase the speed of your win 98 machine.
I haven't seen to the end yet but I'm at 7:42. I noticed it showed UDF when you were in windows. UDF is the DVD file system format. CDs use ISO-9660 file systems. It could be that the CD ROM just can't figure out what to do, or the bios does not have a way to understand a UDF boot sector from a CD?
It's a more stable version of Vista for sure, all though Vista with SP2 and updates is probably just as stable, Windows 7 was a rebrand of Vista for the most part, that said the Windows 7 on the video is a lighter version of Win7
Very nice! I was able to get windows seven professional and 32 bit installed on a dell Inspiron 9300 from 2005. It has 2 GB of RAM an Intel Pentium M7 80 clocked at 2.26, Bluetooth, and a 250 GB ID E western digital blue. It’s not going to win any speed records but, it runs, and Microsoft security essentials is still downloading definition updates. I did not have nearly the same difficulties with getting that installed. Using the Dell OS recovery tool I downloaded a Windows 7 32 bit professional ISO, mounted it onto a thumb drive, and installed using the one time boot menu. Took an entire weekend to download all of the Windows 7 updates however! Even through a 100 Mbps ethernet connection
Can confirm, CD-RW disks are where it's at. Dual-booted Windows 2000 and XP on the same PC using only one CD-RW disk to install both. Though I'm not sure if the old drive in this Gateway supports them.
You would probably run hiren's boot cd/mini xp and use winntsetup tool to install/copy win7 setup files onto hdd and a reboot would start straight to phase 2.
1:11 While 1 GB is the officially stated minimum for Windows 7 32 bit, the thing is, the installer doesn't actually check, and will still install on only 512 MB.
Since Vista have picked up your WiFi adapter you should even be able to mount iso on your main computer and share contents through the network and run setup directly from SMB share
also there is a graphics card that u need for this!! Zotac geforce gt 610 PCI. It will probably be hard to find and expensive but it will run aero effects and should work in most older pc's with no agp or pci-e!
Hey Michael. I know this isn't what you asked for in the video, but you could maybe try out some other Linux distro on this PC, like for example Tiny Core Linux, Linux Lite OR maybe even something that uses the i3 (or similiar) window manager?
I think the Pentium III doesn't support a new enough version of the SSE instruction, and also lacks the "virtualisation" one Windows 8/10 ask for. Oldest CPUs for 8/10 are Athlon 64, newer Pentium 4s, and (laptop only) some Pentium Ms Whereas Vista/7 only require an ACPI compliant PC, so only require a real Pentium II or some clone Pentium Is (XP doesn't require ACPI, so works on a real Pentium I)
@adam moustAgain, Windows 8 requires at least two CPU instructions the Pentium III doesn't have. The first dev preview of 8 will work, but that's it...
@@MATAM29 Windows 8 and higher requires newer CPU instruction support. Even if you have the worlds smallest and litest Windows 10 it's never going to work.
I think the Pentium III doesn't support a new enough version of the SSE instruction, and also lacks the "virtualisation" one Windows 8/10 ask for. Oldest CPUs for 8/10 are Athlon 64, newer Pentium 4s, and (laptop only) some Pentium Ms Whereas Vista/7 only require an ACPI compliant PC, so only require a real Pentium II or some clone Pentium Is (XP doesn't require ACPI, so works on a real Pentium I)
Try to make a live Windows 10 or 8 installation using WinToUSB on a flash drive or external hard drive. Then use the Plop boot manager to boot into USB/ external flash drive containg the live Win10/Win8.1/Win8 installation.
Why didn't you just copy all the contents of the standard Windows 7 ISO (on the USB drive) to the hard disk and just run setup and select "Custom Install" so as to not upgrade Vista? It worked for me in a similar scenario
Even an ancient P233 with DOS can use a DVD drive. BIOS may only see it as a CD, but makes no difference. Even the ancient DOS OakCD driver works fine. Did you check jumpers on the new drive? Anyway, pretty cool to see it running Win7 so well. For a GPU, look for a Matrox G200 (comes in PCI and AGP) -- that was the default video card for Gateways of that era that used a VGA card. 8mb cards are common, 16mb less so. Very reliable vidcard and period-correct.
Maybe, maybe not. With an SSD instead of a spinny, that would take considerable load off the PSU. But the onboard chip might well be a G200, as that was Gateway's default for a long time, either as a card or onboard. (Dell still puts a G200 in their servers; very reliable chip.) In which case, really not much point in a separate GPU. There may be a video RAM setting in the BIOS.
It can't work with win8 and win10 because of the missing PAE/NX, who are specific instructions for the processor. You can patch it but it's very difficult because the tools to do this are unfindable
Pleaae do a GPU upgrade. Nothing crazy, but I believe with your PCI slot, you could get something new enough for drivers for 7, but I doubt anything new enough for Windows Aero, but that might kill the PC even if it works.
I know I'm a bit late, but you should try to install Windows Thin PC, it's a official stripped down version of Windows 7 made for legacy hardware (like this 5$ PC) and should work much better and faster than the regular version of Windows 7.
I was able to install Windows 7 Starter on 256 MB of RAM through Windows 7 PE. I manually extracted the WIM archive from the command prompt. It took a while, but it actually worked! Easily my dumbest computing accomplishment! 😂
That Cpu can address more than 512mb of ram, you need to get a bios update. There will be no GPU for that motherboard that will support Areo. However you can download, Win Transparency, Gadgets, and winflip, from other third parties, that would make that windows 7 behave like it was installed a newer machine, those programs also work in WinXp as well, or for windows Xp you can just download a 'Win7 Transformation pack' (Try Google) from a third party site. I've been using one for years. P.S. I was screaming just install it in windows. lol
@@MichaelMJDhe obviously didn't watch the whole video. btw it seems the first developer preview of Windows 8 will work on this; any builds after that ask for instructions the PIII doesn't have. did you see my comments about the "256mb RAM max" probably being for single sided sticks, the "weird" CPU name being its "string" rather than marketing name (I have a feeling you might have seen that one) and the Gateway 2000 branded Altec Lansing "beige" speakers...?
That would be interesting! Since Vista works I assume Longhorn would work too but it would still be pretty neat to see how it runs on this computer! Thanks for the suggestion.
What slots do you have available? I have extra old cards lying around. AGP, PCIE and possibly PCI. I can send you one if I can dig them up. They are all gaming cards.
Hey sorry for the late reply but thanks for offering! This machine has a free PCI slot so if you happen to have one of those lying around that would be awesome. If you're still interesting in donating one, just send and email to michael at teammjd dot com, and I can give you the shipping address. If not, that's totally fine! Thanks so much!
I commented on the windows vista video a failproof way to install windows, you should try that, you don't need to burn anything and only need to use ghost, seriously, you're having so many issues just because you want at this point
A video I wanted to see all the way from the beginning of the $5 98 PC! Thanks for the theme and keep up the great work! Some notes to the video: 1. You could've tried to use PLOP and try to boot from that CD/DVD... has worked for me before. 2. You can also use PLOP to boot of USB drives if your PC doesn't support USB Boot! 3. Use Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool from Microsoft to burn DVDs and USBs. Also works for CDs! Anyways, great video.
I mentioned in the video that using Plop to boot this machine off of a USB didn't work for both Vista and 7. It loaded up but it froze when it was loading files. I have been able to do this with Linux images though. I will have to try to use Plop to boot of a DVD now that I have the drive, didn't think of that at the time haha. Thanks for the tip!
It's funny because some people spend hundreds on retro hardware, it's actually a thing now. You can go on EBay and buy a graphics card from 1998 for $100. Meanwhile he got this whole PC for $5.
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Get Geforce 6200 PCI since it has support from Windows 95 to Windows 8, which is quite a huge range of OS support.
This is exactly what I love about Nvidia.
Most often when looking at older mid 2000's or early 2010's era business laptops, other hardware is more than ready and powerful enough to run windows 10.
But because Intel has dropped the driver support for the motherboard, those computers don't have working display drivers.
Meanwhile my cheap hp pavilion dv6732eo laptop with it's defective Nvidia m8400gs gpu, still has working drivers for windows 10.
So even though those 8xxx and 9xxx mobile gpu's were basically ticking time bombs, that without reflowing them once per 2 years would stop working. If you have one of those still working, while not actually no longer supported, it still can boot and support it's every feature in latest version of windows 10.
Not bad for a laptop that basically teached me, that anything with hp is worth keeping far FAR away from anyone who you care about.
@@Jurtaani*taught
i use 9300GE PCI-E on my downloading PC to save the power, the gpu was GTX980 when i play games on it
Yess
Install Windows 7 on EGA Video Card
I knew it was going to work. I have a P3 and 512mb of ram and has Windows 7 on it. It was a lite version because I wasn't sure if it would work, but here you are installing full Windows 7. TL:DR, thanks for the video.
Dollar Deal Tech What if he used a usb dvd drive?
What lite version did you install on that pent3 ?
I have a system like yours but with 640MB of RAM.
@@Adrian-re9fh Tiny7
This video proves what I have been saying for years- Windows 7 will run on nearly anything lol. I have an old HP Livestrong laptop from 2004 that's running Windows 7 just fine with 2GB RAM, a 1.8 ghz single core AMD Turion CPU, and a 60GB SSD. Before that I had an old Sony Vaio from around the same time with a 1.6 ghz single core Pentium, 512MB of RAM, and an 80GB hard drive. That thing was far from fast, but it was still totally usable and stable until the motherboard died.
Is it just me it does every vaio laptop die from motherboard issues. Had one too and it died the same way.
Windows 7 ❤️
😒👍 Hell Yeah
@M-2 Hydra me too
@M-2 Hydra 😎👍 me too
Windows 7 master race! 7️⃣💪
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I was messing with similar problems 20 years ago. I think the problem why the CDs didn't boot is the UDF file system that your images are in. UDF was more common for DVDs. It was possible to burn UDF CDs, but that was a rather uncommon thing to do and it probably confused the PC at some point.
8:11 You thought about transferring the Windows 7 iso to the hard drive using a USB via windows vista, then mount the iso with a lightweight software like WinCDEMU, and continue with the installation on the new partition
If installing Windows 7 from the GUI setup fails, do this:
- Make a WinPE CD image
- Boot into that from the USB drive using PLOP boot manager
- Use command line utilities to dump an image to the hard drive (diskpart and DISM)
Also, try increasing the FSB (front side bus) speed to get the processor speed up to 800Mhz. On your board, this requires setting the appropriate jumpers.
I have been waiting for this so long!
I adore the idea of having 1 pc go through all the ages. Cool!
he should totally do DOS, Win 1, Win 2, Win 3, Win 3.1, WinNT 3.1, WinNT 3.5, WinNT 3.51, Win 95, WinNT 4, Win95 OSR2, Win 98, Win98 SE, Win Me, Win 2000, Win XP, Win Vista, Win 7 and the first dev preview of Win 8!
@@RWL2012 And the betas
@@RWL2012 skip the versions that are just named NT version num.
Playing a DVD movie with. $ 5 pc ? & Bluetooth
It will work.
without any problems.
Ronald Jankowski Not necessarily. Maybe it's not fast enough to decode DVD
If it has hardware decoding then it will play just fine
I used my P3-500 (768mb RAM) to watch DVDs all the time. It did pretty much suck up all the CPU, but worked fine.
Playing a 4k HDR HEVC movie
Wohoo this is the video I've been waiting for!
Just a note, it would be worth investing into some re-writable DVDs, being able to format them and put something else on them is extremely useful for computer projects involving ISOs
I actually purchased some rewritable CDs to use!
our window 98 machine (very similar to this one) had a dvd drive.
that was a big thing at that time
@@guilhermekfwst Pentium IIs with DVD-ROM came with an MPEG card as the CPU was too slow for DVD Video playback!
I remember the sample DVD they included with purchase of the machine.. The quality of the videos on it was not that good lol. Good times
I have booted off of dvd drives on K5/K6. That PIII shouldnt have any problem.
because you added one
The storage upgrade video would be fun. These videos have helped so much. What kind of DVD drive did you pick?
I'm curious to see what you may make of trying to find bios updates for the thing.
Yeah I’ll have another video on Friday of me attempting to upgrade the bios. I just purchased a generic OEM DVD drive. I believe it was pulled out of an old system.
Good trick to install OS’es without using DVD’s:
1) Divide the intended hard drive into two partitions- a ~5gb partition, and the remaining space in another partition
2) Extract the ISO onto the 5gb partition
3)Boot from the hard drive, should load installation as normal and allow you to install to the other partition
If you don’t have an OS, plug the hard drive into another PC and do the same thing. Hope this helps, it should also reduce install time by quite a bit. I’ve had to do this on a few occasions lol 👍
Great idea! Years ago, I ended up loading a Windows 7 ISO file directly onto the blank SSD with another computer because my friend's laptop didn't have a DVD drive and didn't support USB booting. I wasn't 100% sure if it would work, but it ended up working perfectly.
Oh, I'm definitely trying this with mine.
MJD I been a subscriber for a long time and I love your $5 windows 95 pc videos, thismorning I found someone threw away 2 PC crt monitors and a AST Advantage 9314 windows 95 pc, I cleaned it out and checked for anything missing and everything was intact and it booted right into windows 95 those times were gold back then, you’ve inspired me, Thankyou. P.S is there anything I need to know when working with this old rig,
Mjd one more thing, I found that the CD-ROM drive is a exact version of yours but, I cannot get the cd motor to spin, the cd tray pops out but there is no scanning of the disk or spinning of the disk and windows 95 says there is no disk in the tray, what can I do, I don’t want to break it
Its never a classic mjd video without him running into problems
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You can fix the resolution issue by installing the xp driver. (XDDM) Run the setup in XP compatibility mode. Setup should run fine but if it does fail it should have still copied to the driver folder in windows. After that go to device manager then manually install the driver. I've done this on my Dell dimension 2400. With the Intel 845g graphics. Hope this helps! This works for Vista and windows 7!
You should try to hackintosh it with a old version of macOS.
Old versions of MacOS require a Motorola CPU. I'm not sure it can be done on a non-Intel CPU or before OSX. (I have 10.8 on a Dell 9010 -- everything worked out of the box except the NIC.) But would be interesting to see the attempt... try one of the early Niresh builds, I think 10.4 is the earliest. If it does run, it'll probably take a good 15 minutes or more to load setup (it took about that long when I tried it on a 2GHz system -- at first I thought it was hung).
@@Reziac I used to run OS8 under Fusion under MS-DOS on a Pentium2...
Wouldn’t work OSX for intel requires sse2
rhapsody dr2 is a beta of os x 10.0 and has version for x86
Yeah that’s a good idea
I miss windows 7 and its simplicity whenever I see such videos! I still have my old Athlon x2 3600 PC with 2 GB RAM and 256 GB graphics card; It's hooked to my TV and I use it to play some retro games like NFS MW! good times!
256GB graphics card sounds extreme for just playing old games
I have a suggestion: Can you try out installing a modern Linux distribution like Debian or Slackware, but instead of installing a DE at first, you do a minimal install and then install a lightweight window manager like Openbox or IceWM. And the some lightweight programs like Dillo and Links2 for web browsers.
Enjoying this series with the $5 PC. Let's get all the goodies to make this the best potato it can be!
If the motherboard has jumpers you need to set the frontside bus speed required by the cpu. If there are no jumpers have a look through the bios setup to see if there is a toggle value for the speed between 100 and 133 MHz. Hope this helps increase the speed of your win 98 machine.
I haven't seen to the end yet but I'm at 7:42. I noticed it showed UDF when you were in windows. UDF is the DVD file system format. CDs use ISO-9660 file systems. It could be that the CD ROM just can't figure out what to do, or the bios does not have a way to understand a UDF boot sector from a CD?
Awesome video,Michael!
Thanks!
Wow lol best vid ever big like man i like experimental tehnology videos! Omg big like and nice!
windows 7 is perhaps the most stable version of windows, absolutely love it
It's a more stable version of Vista for sure, all though Vista with SP2 and updates is probably just as stable, Windows 7 was a rebrand of Vista for the most part, that said the Windows 7 on the video is a lighter version of Win7
@@alvzcizzler Yes, Vista is pretty stable too. I had Vista for a long time before getting a new PC
The eternal 98 PC is more capable than I thought it would be
I love this series make more my dude :)
Again great video 👍
thank you!
Very nice! I was able to get windows seven professional and 32 bit installed on a dell Inspiron 9300 from 2005. It has 2 GB of RAM an Intel Pentium M7 80 clocked at 2.26, Bluetooth, and a 250 GB ID E western digital blue. It’s not going to win any speed records but, it runs, and Microsoft security essentials is still downloading definition updates. I did not have nearly the same difficulties with getting that installed. Using the Dell OS recovery tool I downloaded a Windows 7 32 bit professional ISO, mounted it onto a thumb drive, and installed using the one time boot menu. Took an entire weekend to download all of the Windows 7 updates however! Even through a 100 Mbps ethernet connection
Michael great video! I would have used PLOP Boot Manager and been done with it.
You should use CD-RW disks.
GPU recommended: Riva or Voodoo.
Can confirm, CD-RW disks are where it's at. Dual-booted Windows 2000 and XP on the same PC using only one CD-RW disk to install both. Though I'm not sure if the old drive in this Gateway supports them.
90W PSU...
The fact it runs faster then my windows 7 laptop is scary
Xubuntu or arch running on xfce desktop would breathe new life into that computer
Finally you have listened to me:-)
You would probably run hiren's boot cd/mini xp and use winntsetup tool to install/copy win7 setup files onto hdd and a reboot would start straight to phase 2.
😒👍 Windows 7 FTW, try Tiny 7 it mite run better, its similar it fits on one CD 🙂🐢
He saw that
@@MrSamadolfo not welcome btw
Will Miss you windows 7 ❤️
1:11
While 1 GB is the officially stated minimum for Windows 7 32 bit, the thing is, the installer doesn't actually check, and will still install on only 512 MB.
Now after you install a GPU and ssd try to install geforce now.
Yessss
Isn't the ideal Windows for this PC the "Windows Essentials for Legacy PCs", which you made a video a long time ago but in a virtual machine?
Yes you could say that! I actually did install FLP on this computer in an older video.
Since Vista have picked up your WiFi adapter you should even be able to mount iso on your main computer and share contents through the network and run setup directly from SMB share
Very cool. And how’s the speed
THANK U MICHAEL FOR SEEING MY COMMENT AND USING MY IDEA😻😻
@ Michael MJD
You should add a video card to that PC and disable the onboard graphics.
It’s definitely a possibility!
I loved how Windows XP guy's head was shaking at 13:41
also there is a graphics card that u need for this!! Zotac geforce gt 610 PCI. It will probably be hard to find and expensive but it will run aero effects and should work in most older pc's with no agp or pci-e!
Ik I'm late, but could you try running Lubuntu and see how it fairs as an everyday computer.
Definitely do a video using a Compact flash for Hard drive, that will be interesting AND useful thanks in advance
Those vista ui stuff be looking real thicc.
you're needing todo windows 8
Hey Michael. I know this isn't what you asked for in the video, but you could maybe try out some other Linux distro on this PC, like for example Tiny Core Linux, Linux Lite OR maybe even something that uses the i3 (or similiar) window manager?
Try installing gentoo
Windows 8 after?
I think the Pentium III doesn't support a new enough version of the SSE instruction, and also lacks the "virtualisation" one Windows 8/10 ask for. Oldest CPUs for 8/10 are Athlon 64, newer Pentium 4s, and (laptop only) some Pentium Ms
Whereas Vista/7 only require an ACPI compliant PC, so only require a real Pentium II or some clone Pentium Is (XP doesn't require ACPI, so works on a real Pentium I)
@adam moustAgain, Windows 8 requires at least two CPU instructions the Pentium III doesn't have. The first dev preview of 8 will work, but that's it...
adam moust what the heck do you mean
I wish my cpu had virtualization for a vm
Install Windows 10 on this
Thats not going to work because the cpu is to weak
Use Windows 10 Extreme Lite by Bob Pony, duh
@@MATAM29 Windows 8 and higher requires newer CPU instruction support. Even if you have the worlds smallest and litest Windows 10 it's never going to work.
I think the Pentium III doesn't support a new enough version of the SSE instruction, and also lacks the "virtualisation" one Windows 8/10 ask for. Oldest CPUs for 8/10 are Athlon 64, newer Pentium 4s, and (laptop only) some Pentium Ms
Whereas Vista/7 only require an ACPI compliant PC, so only require a real Pentium II or some clone Pentium Is (XP doesn't require ACPI, so works on a real Pentium I)
Absolute newest OS for this PC is the first dev preview of Windows 8.
With Windows 7, while Microsoft never released CD based installation media for it, the Windows 7 installer can be split down across multiple discs
To get work the animations of windows media center on this pc you must have graphic drivers installed
Strange how Windows 7 super lite didn't work for you. I have it burned to a CD and it boots and installs just as normal
Plop bootloader doesn't support writing if I remember correctly. It can only read and load the files and cannot write to the USB Drive
Try to make a live Windows 10 or 8 installation using WinToUSB on a flash drive or external hard drive. Then use the Plop boot manager to boot into USB/ external flash drive containg the live Win10/Win8.1/Win8 installation.
Why didn't you just copy all the contents of the standard Windows 7 ISO (on the USB drive) to the hard disk and just run setup and select "Custom Install" so as to not upgrade Vista? It worked for me in a similar scenario
Even an ancient P233 with DOS can use a DVD drive. BIOS may only see it as a CD, but makes no difference. Even the ancient DOS OakCD driver works fine. Did you check jumpers on the new drive? Anyway, pretty cool to see it running Win7 so well. For a GPU, look for a Matrox G200 (comes in PCI and AGP) -- that was the default video card for Gateways of that era that used a VGA card. 8mb cards are common, 16mb less so. Very reliable vidcard and period-correct.
...but will it run on the 90W PSU...?
Maybe, maybe not. With an SSD instead of a spinny, that would take considerable load off the PSU. But the onboard chip might well be a G200, as that was Gateway's default for a long time, either as a card or onboard. (Dell still puts a G200 in their servers; very reliable chip.) In which case, really not much point in a separate GPU. There may be a video RAM setting in the BIOS.
It can't work with win8 and win10 because of the missing PAE/NX, who are specific instructions for the processor. You can patch it but it's very difficult because the tools to do this are unfindable
I wish you could find a Gateway monitor for that computer. Seeing it working with a Dell monitor bugs me to no end.
Yes, I'm one of "those". 8P
I wonder if the $5 Windows 98 computer can run Windows Server 2003 or Temple OS.
Pleaae do a GPU upgrade. Nothing crazy, but I believe with your PCI slot, you could get something new enough for drivers for 7, but I doubt anything new enough for Windows Aero, but that might kill the PC even if it works.
I know I'm a bit late, but you should try to install Windows Thin PC, it's a official stripped down version of Windows 7 made for legacy hardware (like this 5$ PC) and should work much better and faster than the regular version of Windows 7.
Why don't you create your own Windows 7 installation CDs just by splitting the super huge wim file into swm files which are suitable for CD-R?
I Had a Few Of These Running Win2k with Slightly Upgraded Ram and I Think 512 Meg NVidea Cards as CAD Machines When I worked in Nashville
lol more VRAM than system RAM...?
I was able to install Windows 7 Starter on 256 MB of RAM through Windows 7 PE. I manually extracted the WIM archive from the command prompt. It took a while, but it actually worked! Easily my dumbest computing accomplishment! 😂
Win98 PC suggestions:
(X) Install a more powerful graphics card
(X) or a 5 1/2 floppy drive
(X) update the bios, maybe the 1ghz cpu will work
One of those is happening in the next video!
the PSU is only 90W
RWL2012 I don’t think pci cards draw a lot of power. (Not an expert with voltages)
Michael MJD thanks for the reply :)
For the graphics card, try to find the evga GeForce 6200 pci (512mb)
Would you install a Linux distro? Maybe something like Debian which is 32 bit compatible and has a net installer you can burn on a CD
I just realized I have this exact PC
That Cpu can address more than 512mb of ram, you need to get a bios update. There will be no GPU for that motherboard that will support Areo. However you can download, Win Transparency, Gadgets, and winflip, from other third parties, that would make that windows 7 behave like it was installed a newer machine, those programs also work in WinXp as well, or for windows Xp you can just download a 'Win7 Transformation pack' (Try Google) from a third party site. I've been using one for years.
P.S. I was screaming just install it in windows. lol
Why have you put the old Celeron back in it and not left the Pentium 3 as it says 433 Mhz in the Bios ?
The CPU upgrade video was shot in between 2 parts of this video.
@@MichaelMJDhe obviously didn't watch the whole video. btw it seems the first developer preview of Windows 8 will work on this; any builds after that ask for instructions the PIII doesn't have.
did you see my comments about the "256mb RAM max" probably being for single sided sticks, the "weird" CPU name being its "string" rather than marketing name (I have a feeling you might have seen that one) and the Gateway 2000 branded Altec Lansing "beige" speakers...?
Could you also try Windows XP on it? Just an normal version like RTM, SP1, SP2 and SP3.
I did in another video actually! Is the one called “pushing the 98 PC to its limits”
@@MichaelMJD Could you also try Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Windows NT 3.x on this computer?
Could you go over how to install USB 3.0 drivers to windows 7/windows 7 installation, please? Thanks!
Try installing windows longhorn on the 5$ windows 98 Pc
That would be interesting! Since Vista works I assume Longhorn would work too but it would still be pretty neat to see how it runs on this computer! Thanks for the suggestion.
Your welcome 😁
What about Chicago or Whistler?
If you only have 512mb you can install home premium. My old laptop had 512 with 7 home premium
You can run the installer without restarting. Just go to sources, and then, the setup.exe. You could have saved alot of time.
You could have used the window 7 upgrade tool inside the .iso even without a usb. Just extra the iso files and then run it as a normal application
What slots do you have available? I have extra old cards lying around. AGP, PCIE and possibly PCI. I can send you one if I can dig them up. They are all gaming cards.
Hey sorry for the late reply but thanks for offering! This machine has a free PCI slot so if you happen to have one of those lying around that would be awesome. If you're still interesting in donating one, just send and email to michael at teammjd dot com, and I can give you the shipping address. If not, that's totally fine! Thanks so much!
You could've just splitted .wim Windows 7 file into multiple smaller ones and burn them to few different CDs, just like Windows Vista
Could you install lubuntu and try doing some modern tasks?
The reason it didn't work on the USB is because bios wasn't configured properly. Silent Boot and quick boot needs to be disabled
You should try running Minecraft: Education Edition (the minimum supported version of Minecraft Bedrock Edition for Windows) on this
Why didn't you use Rufus , It works by inserting the iso image and then putting it in a USB drive so it turns into a bootable USB drive
Why not run windows 7 usb installer from within vista and do an in place upgrade?
have you tried or heard of ReadyBoost by add memory with flash drive?
not going to work the usb ports in this machine is 1.0,1.1 at best its too slow for ready boost
ReadyBoost never works
@@whitebeartigtig well it does but its not noticable becose basicly its just paging on slow usb storage instead of faster hdd
Don't forget to enable Windows 7 games using Add/Remove components option in Control Panel
I commented on the windows vista video a failproof way to install windows, you should try that, you don't need to burn anything and only need to use ghost, seriously, you're having so many issues just because you want at this point
A video I wanted to see all the way from the beginning of the $5 98 PC!
Thanks for the theme and keep up the great work!
Some notes to the video:
1. You could've tried to use PLOP and try to boot from that CD/DVD... has worked for me before.
2. You can also use PLOP to boot of USB drives if your PC doesn't support USB Boot!
3. Use Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool from Microsoft to burn DVDs and USBs. Also works for CDs!
Anyways, great video.
I mentioned in the video that using Plop to boot this machine off of a USB didn't work for both Vista and 7. It loaded up but it froze when it was loading files. I have been able to do this with Linux images though. I will have to try to use Plop to boot of a DVD now that I have the drive, didn't think of that at the time haha. Thanks for the tip!
you could use dism to install windows 7+ on partition and use bcdedit like easybcd to set multi boot
It's funny because some people spend hundreds on retro hardware, it's actually a thing now. You can go on EBay and buy a graphics card from 1998 for $100. Meanwhile he got this whole PC for $5.
You could use Windows 7 Starter instead of 7 Super Lite but still very cool
Sounds like the Windows 7 Experience release.. a guy that did under 700mb win7 releases.
Where did you find your $5 PC?
Just curious lol
Wish?
A thrift store many years ago
which software can make window 7 continued update the firewall when official support been stop
Win 7 posready
@veryfatchild better than those China mainland people.