I play the skeletons of the daramad (opening) of each dastgah. I made a mistake in Chahargah, it's actually a mix between Rak-e-hendi and chahargah that I play.
I bought one before the advent of RUclips with no one to help me. I actually called the seller and asked him if he forgot to ship a part to get sound out of it. 😂 It took me a month to hit a note by accident and another week to duplicate it! Beautiful sounding instrument once you get the hang of it.
with due respect to your very high standard and excellent work done on teaching and simplfying ney technique on all account for people with musical background wouldn't possible to make simple,basic and easy interactive demo on the hole of ney for sur or dashti or any simple dastagah for benefit those who are unable to read music or hand writting of others ,I am sure Sir you are more than able to do it and will do it soon.I solute you Sir...
@persianney I think the string/pitch ratios of 2/3, 3/4, etc. were well described in manuscripts to create a natural scale as well as the home keys to produce various modes. I may have to research this. The famous muslim music theorititian, Saffi-al Din Ormavi and Farbai write in detail about the Greek intervals and Ormavi suggest a silly defunct manner of breaking up the whole tone to possibly make up the quarter-tone.
@goodcyrus Nobody knows what the Greek scales were like. The church modes you refer to just have Greek names but came much later. The pitches of a wind instrument depend on where the holes are, not sure what you mean by "open hand position". Indeed on renaissance and baroque recorders, flutes, and cornetto the "natural" scale without cross fingering has a koron, which is intriguing I agree.
@persianney The other (accidental) quarter tone is the other half tone in the major scale. The amount of the microtonal shift (40 cents) is exactly what a wind instrument would produce in open hand position. This cannot be a coincidence. Historical evidence shows immense Greek influence in Persian medicine, philosophy, Math etc. It is natural that their music would have influenced persians as well.
The Persians influenced the Greeks by the sheer magnitude of their former glory in math, music, art, literature and philosophy after the fall of Persepolis Parsa. Do people forget Parsa was the center of an empire that contained half of the worlds population for over two centuries !
Great job Kees. Your Chargah was a bit like Rak Abdollah. Btw, what do you think my theory about the Greek origin of the Persian modes and open hand playing of wind instruments as the origin of the quarter-tone note?
@persianney Ormavi suggests taking the 210 cents and making is into LLC instead of LCL (Limma+Comma _Limma) or vice versa, again my memory is failing me here on details.
Dear Sr. Thank you very much, its amazing. we have no access to Persian Ney but to that wood Ney. Would you please show us the length of some Bass ney and some higher neys? and even the distance of the holes? It would be very easy when you would just put a meter beside some neys and show it, I will get it... yes I know it has to be 7 segments with different length of segments...-) thanks very much for this very useful lessons....
@persianney Ok, memory is failing. I was wondering about that. Hey but I still dont mix up my chargah, LOL.The theory goes like this: Just as the Greek modes were the same scale with different home keys, most persian maye-ha are an altered major scale with different home /drone keys. The altered quarter tone is always the half tone in the majot scale.
@goodcyrus Rak-e-hendi, Moh. I don't know your theory so I can't comment. However birds use microtones too and presumably their ancestors, the dinosaurs, too.
you are genuine and great sir without doubt on all expects of technicallity of all kind of music notes but Sir why don't you try to be more kind to play the radif of persian ney much more slower or very slow motion for bebefit of stupid person like my self who can't read music or he or she is slow on in take
Dear Ostaad,
Thank you for sharing your art of playing ney and also being a great teacher. I learned how to play the ney by watching your video clips.
I bought one before the advent of RUclips with no one to help me. I actually called the seller and asked him if he forgot to ship a part to get sound out of it. 😂 It took me a month to hit a note by accident and another week to duplicate it! Beautiful sounding instrument once you get the hang of it.
I would like to express my best regard and respect to u as my first NEY teacher!!!!
U teach so easy to understand!
Good luck to u
One from Sweden,
with due respect to your very high standard and excellent work done on teaching and simplfying ney technique on all account for people with musical background wouldn't possible to make simple,basic and easy interactive demo on the hole of ney for sur or dashti or any simple dastagah for benefit those who are unable to read music or hand writting of others ,I am sure Sir you are more than able to do it and will do it soon.I solute you Sir...
@persianney I think the string/pitch ratios of 2/3, 3/4, etc. were well described in manuscripts to create a natural scale as well as the home keys to produce various modes. I may have to research this. The famous muslim music theorititian, Saffi-al Din Ormavi and Farbai write in detail about the Greek intervals and Ormavi suggest a silly defunct manner of breaking up the whole tone to possibly make up the quarter-tone.
you do say the most amusing things, its hard to even consider them as a point for discussion lol
@goodcyrus
Nobody knows what the Greek scales were like. The church modes you refer to just have Greek names but came much later.
The pitches of a wind instrument depend on where the holes are, not sure what you mean by "open hand position".
Indeed on renaissance and baroque recorders, flutes, and cornetto the "natural" scale without cross fingering has a koron, which is intriguing I agree.
@persianney The other (accidental) quarter tone is the other half tone in the major scale. The amount of the microtonal shift (40 cents) is exactly what a wind instrument would produce in open hand position. This cannot be a coincidence. Historical evidence shows immense Greek influence in Persian medicine, philosophy, Math etc. It is natural that their music would have influenced persians as well.
The Persians influenced the Greeks by the sheer magnitude of their former glory in math, music, art, literature and philosophy after the fall of Persepolis Parsa. Do people forget Parsa was the center of an empire that contained half of the worlds population for over two centuries !
Great job Kees. Your Chargah was a bit like Rak Abdollah. Btw, what do you think my theory about the Greek origin of the Persian modes and open hand playing of wind instruments as the origin of the quarter-tone note?
@persianney Ormavi suggests taking the 210 cents and making is into LLC instead of LCL (Limma+Comma _Limma) or vice versa, again my memory is failing me here on details.
Dear Sr. Thank you very much, its amazing. we have no access to Persian Ney but to that wood Ney. Would you please show us the length of some Bass ney and some higher neys? and even the distance of the holes? It would be very easy when you would just put a meter beside some neys and show it, I will get it... yes I know it has to be 7 segments with different length of segments...-) thanks very much for this very useful lessons....
@persianney Ok, memory is failing. I was wondering about that. Hey but I still dont mix up my chargah, LOL.The theory goes like this: Just as the Greek modes were the same scale with different home keys, most persian maye-ha are an altered major scale with different home /drone keys. The altered quarter tone is always the half tone in the majot scale.
I cant ear the différence between shur, dashi, abuata and bayati
@goodcyrus
Rak-e-hendi, Moh. I don't know your theory so I can't comment. However birds use microtones too and presumably their ancestors, the dinosaurs, too.
you are genuine and great sir without doubt on all expects of technicallity of all kind of music notes but Sir why don't you try to be more kind to play the radif of persian ney much more slower or very slow motion for bebefit of stupid person like my self who can't read music or he or she is slow on in take
For each dastgah you need a different ney.
You don't.