How to MASTER a Clutchless Shift on a Motorcycle
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Back around 1975 my mom was driving us kids to Denver in her ‘66 VW Bug. The clutch cable broke and some old guy (old to a 9 year old) explained to mom how to “ float the gears.” We made it over the Rocky Mtns, but never could figure out reverse. Fortunately Bugs are light weight cars and mom had three boys😃
Being a truck driver, I only use the clutch on stop and start. Just like others have said, it's what's called "floating the gears". I didn't realize it was a party trick, but i guess all of us truck drivers are cool now to the bike community. 😂
Not the same thing at all. Gearboxes are different types. Motorcycle gearboxes are constant mesh gearboxes that doesn't actually have neutral at all. The "neutral" on motorcycle gearbox is usually located between 1st and 2nd gear and it's just a small dent in the mechanism forcing the mesh not to let any torque through. The neutral on motorcycle gearbox is the party trick :'D The construction of said constant mesh gearbox makes it actually really easy to use it without the clutch, even the neutral is easy find without any use of the clutch.
I'm a truck driver, we call this "floating the gears"... if we are not at a complete stop, we are floating the gears.
Came here to say this as well.
Facts sweet spot to floating is 14 to 1500 rpm’s
On a bike is 5 to 6000rpms
Depends on the truck, and how old it is, older trucks shifted at higher rpms. Is always been a sound for me, and a feel. If you do it right, should only take 2 fingers, it will slide right out and pull itself into the next gear.... I pull a tanker, 7000gl bulk tank, no baffles, just usually around 4500 to 5000 gl of methanol or caustic, something like that sloshing around... it will teach you to shift if you don't know how. Screw up and get a sledgehammer to the back... its a living.
@@chasingghost4499 that’s right I pulled tankers and pneumatic trailers too
Growing up on dirt bikes and quads, I never used the clutch except stopping. Getting into motorcycles I was kind of surprised to see how much riders use the clutch all the time.
I can only speak for myself and my 1100 cc but i have to be somewhat precise on how much pressure i apply to the gear lever. Too much and you shift before unloading the tranny, too little and you can end up in neutral between the gear which i feel is even worse! But yes i take riding somewhat seriously so normally i shift w/o clutch for practice.
Always something new to learn
I actually figured this out on my old bike but did not continue doing it as I made the logical assumption that it is really bad for the engine and could cause long term damage
I thoughtlessly downshifted without the clutch during my MSF basic rider course. The sudden slowdown of the bike sure caught my attention!
But I’ve had cars with manual transmissions and learned this technique. I’d gently pump the stick against the next gear and it would slip into place when RPMs matched
I’m impressed by that rare breed that can still drive a car with a busted clutch cable. Bikes are just less clunky and easier to be smooth with.
As a general rule it's very fun, and also safe, to find and learn a way to do things in a motorcycle by creating artificial limitations. You never know when it might come in handy.
Came in handy when I jammed a finger recently. Also, used this a lot when climbing hills dirt biking.
The main, and probably only, downside to clutchless shifting is that it tends to favor being in a certain RPM range that works best for each bike and gear. If you are riding with a relatively strong high or low RPM bias it'll get harder to pull it off. For example, when revs are super high and you would regularly blip down using the clutch, it won't be very fun doing a clutchless. So while useful and fun it's also quite a bit situation specific.
Ehhhh tbh on my Honda I be downshifting at 10k rpm up to like 11.5k+ all the time and it not hard at all. I’m sure it’s different for every bike but I’ve been on manyyy older super sports without a blip, or quick shifter and it’s been super easy. Might just be the mechanic in me tho
@@profenick4016 but you just answered yourself. For those bikes 11K RPM is their preferred state. So yeah, it depends on the bike, exactly. If you were running that kind of bike at 6k RPM it wouldn't be so easy to pull a clutchless.
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Down shifting takes a bit of extra practice, but seems to depend on the bike. My 2013 Triumph Scrambler, butter up or down. The 2008 Hypermotard 1100s, you have to be running track pace to get it to clutchless shift, no putting around.
I always do this when shifting up from 2nd or higher
I learned this riding dirt bikes as a kid. Bang second gear, roost your friend. The old carbed sport bikes are NOTORIOUS for slamming second gear wheelies and resulted in a lot of broken transmissions and shattered clutch baskets. Not saying it was in any way due to illegal street racing or anything of the sort.
I’ve done this on my old bikes. You can do it on manual cars too but that works differently.
I've done it on my bike here and there, and yes, I'm a truck driver too. We float gears, only really use it for start and stop in the truck, but I still like to use the clutch on the bike because unlike a semi truck, it has a synchronizer and it's no effort with the hand, unless I was riding for about an hour or two, and my hands are frozen, then I'll float the gears till I pull off
You can lightly load the shifter blip the throttle and without any additional pressure it will fall into gear.
Already did that accidentally during driving lessons. 😅
Still prefer using the clutch for downshifting.
Usually I start in first, then go right to third gear (using the clutch), then use clutchless shifting for the remaining gears.
Clutch less shifting has been around for decades. We as racers often shifted without the clutch because it was quicker. We would put some pressure up or down the shift lever and tap the kill button for a moment. This would unload the gears and allow the shift to happen without too much wear. Regularly shifting without the clutch was definitely harder on the transmission due to wear on the gear dogs rounding off. As a professional racer we didn’t cater to at all about that because we tore our engines down typically after every one or two races. Personally I would think that riders should use the clutch because the transmission gears will last longer. There is another methodology of clutch less shifting that we did that put a kill switch on the shift drum to trigger whenever you pulled up or down. This made for some very fast shifting and it also wore the gears out quickly. Don’t do it, it is too hard to squeeze the clutch lever so just do it.
I clutchless upshift when I'm feeling lazy or racey, but everything always works smooth when using the clutch. I really don't like clutchless downshifting. I don't feel that there is enough time between the gears to accelerate the engine. It's fun in a car to slip in into neutral by letting off the gas and rev-matching while in neutral to slip into the lower gear without the clutch, but you have to get it right.
practicing this for about a year now, I love going up in gears but still would rather use the clutch downshifting
If you in a slightly to high gear and want to clutches shift down you gonna notice that it’s very easy to do, not a lot pressure is needed on the shiftpeg!
I've been doing clutchless shifting (up and down) for the last 5 years on my 125cc. No problems at all, other than reaching a false neutral 1-2 times a year and rev bombing. I only do from 2-5th gear, 1-2nd is harder because you can easily get in neutral and have to use the clutch because the crank RPM is too high compared to the rear wheel RPM.
I don't do it on my 600, because it doesn't have 2 throttle wires, so the carburetor butterfly valves are 'floating'(open) a bit more than the actual gas roll position making it very clunky.
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Any negative mechanical issues that could arise from this?
There can be with the downshifts, modern bikes can handle it if done right but older bikes it’s really hard on the inner gears. One wrong/hard downshift and you can sheer or chip a tooth on the gear… no good.
I don't recommend it. Riders will tend to use excessive force and bend shift forks or damage gears. Otherwise, why would their be quickshifter tech that matches for you with power interruption to minimize shock load on gear train?
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Only occasions to use clutch is while stopping or starting, stopping can be done if you know where your neutral is.
Sir im still practicing from the throttle matching video youre gonna have to give me some time before i learn how to use this black magic 😂
thats crazy....I do this by blipping the throttle, not by letting off the throttle. for both upshifts and downshifts, lightly push down or up on the shifter, depending on which way you intend to shift, blip the throttle, and you should fall into desired gear. and yes, it is how I got home anytime my clutch cable snapped, and how I got around on a bike that had no clutch cable or lever (it was a bitch, too, because in addition to no clutch lever, it was also a push start, meaning that if it didn't start, you had to get it back into neutral before pushing off again. same for stalls.)
I've seen so many YT videos where the riders will be in 4th or 5th gear and come to a red light and just pull the clutch in and let it drop to idle and come to a stop w/out even downshifting. It seems like those are the guys who don't know how to rev match. I prefer to always downshift when coming up to lights so my bike is in the proper gear for the speed I'm at in case I do need to suddenly accelerate to avoid something or if the light changes to green I'm ready to just give it gas.
I like me gear box i think il use the clutch thnx
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Dope!
I ride a Vespa 300 GTS, welcome to clutchless life fellow cyclists 🤘
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Hey Papa Yam! Unrelated to the video, but seeing your a fellow Ducatista and that you put a Brembo 19RCS mc on your Duc, I was wondering if it's truly worth upgrading to one on a street bike. I have a similar air-cooled beast like you. Mine is a 2010 Ducati Monster 696, and I'm on the fence on buying one since my OE mc is worn all to hell and not making adequate pressure. Rebluid kits for it are non-existant.
I do that often too on my 125cc😂
I hit my shifter and it does it.
My first bike had a quickshifter. Hower i did not know that mean you could keep the trottle down. So I clutchless upshifted for almost two years thinking i was quickshifting.
I love these educational videos on the sled
I'll just stick with my quick shifter 😅
Tried this one day and now I hardly use the clutch …. Only first to 2nd do I use it. The same in reverse 2nd to 1st. It is pretty cool.
Is this univeral with bikes? I'm asking becuase I have a 2019 Vulcan S. Want to know based on your knowledge.
I do find me some false neutrals sometimes when clutchless uplifting
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i wonder what people next to him think at a traffic stop when he's waving his arms when talking
Yammie, what is this in the left side of your hand bar? This squared with 2 buttons
Heated grip controls.
@@BillKocik thank you!
the irony is this was the first thing i practised allot because I didn't have a quickshifter xD haha
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I did it and I dont like it makes a burning smell. Make sure you press the brake light so people know your stopping. Clutchless is loosing control of the bike momentarily.
Do you keep pressure on the shifter?
Very soft pressure until it feels like the shifter gets sucked into shifting. After some time you'll learn to time things correctly and be able to avoid actually applying pressure in advance.
Why is everyone so obsessed with clutchless shifting or rev matchin like there’s alot more important/cooler things you can learn
Doing it downwards does not make sense to me, too much of a hassle. Upwards I do it all the time if I’m on the right rpm band, i sometimes don’t even realise if I pulled the clutch or not,
I ride my bike to work every day, and I use the clutch to leave from a stop, and downshift, that's it. Otherwise, it's all clutchless shifting. So much quicker and smoother.
So it does not harm the engine right?
This works smoother on motorcycles because they usually use straight cut gears where as most cars use helical cut gears which is where the grinding can come in. Ride safe my friends 🤘😎🏍
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My acoustic ass needs to know how a sequential bike trans works now. As a car guy I know how a H pattern works internally but not a bike.
i would like some1 to help me fix something with my bike throttles control it sometimes gets stuck on the gas even tho im off the throttle wich makes the bike rev to the sky out of nowhere wich kills me from the inside out pls help
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Why the heck to they ride one handed and throttle at the same time i Think taking hands off the bars is such a bad habbit that only takes one mistake
but HOW YOU DO THIS you didn't answer anything about that 😕
When you dont have a clutch hand - this is how you downshift... and upshift if you're in a hurry. I still have a clutch, positioned under my front brake lever, but when braking you cant use the clutch so clutchless downshifts are the only way.
I clutchless down shift all the time but I feel like I'm causing damage on the way up
1:15 it would drive me crazy that my Ducati throttle cable moves around when I twist the throttle
At the .44 second point of the video, did you know that turn was there because of how you leaned yourself.
I did this accidentally as I’m learning haha
So you are too lazy to pull in the clutch?
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Dont ever explain a clutch like that again...."a series of baskets ".........more like a series of friction plates IN A BASKET!
Yeah yeah yeah you know what I meant lol don't fret
@@yammienoob just givin you shit. Big fan of the channel bro
I am not going to try this. 😊
Very smart
Is it only me who sees a faint black spot beside the speedometer? Or am I just seeing things??
We are shifting faster than an S1000RR with this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I drove tractor-trailers and this is how we always shift those big trucks. We tried to only use the clutch to come to a complete stop. We called it "floating the gears"
Ruins gear boxes in my opinion. Tried it in '20 when everyone was getting quickshifters and I had an MT-07 with a throttle cable. Made my gear box clunky. Not wanting to go into gears. Sounding worse. Yamaha gearboxes aren't good in general. I'm just saying exercise caution if you use this move. Maybe on these premium bikes that these RUclips channel guys ride. I wouldn't with a cheap bike
In Korea, we call this “rev matching”.
Been riding 66 years, most w/o clutch. It what separates the riders from the posers (learned the word from my son 30 years ago).
No issues?
It's called a quick-shifter. 😂😂 No special skill required and less likely to bend shift forks or damage gears
Why is This guide even a thing? I was doing this since the first time I got on a bike. Although the dirt is definitely more forgiving. So I Could bang through downshifts without care.
We can't all be as cool as you. Please teach us.
Is the dirt more forgiving? My two month old RM-Z already chewed through a clutch by doing this.
You’re such a beast dude
Bet school was easy for you. Because you seem to know it all mate!
@@sendysent I get the sarcasm, but there’s nothing beastly about something that basically everyone can do, and has probably accidentally done.
This is a very bad advise you are trashing your gearbox doing this. Do some simple research if you don't believe me. There's plenty of videos on RUclips to prove my point.
Yes, its a "lot of fun" until you snap your driveshaft
I learned how to shift up without a clutch from my dad. Really convenient and smooth. Now what's left is to learn how to shift down like that
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