The test everybody was waiting for - thank you for that! I'm wondering whether the controlling app could be used to build a RTK signal strength map of the area covered by the mower. That would allow people to better position the main antenna trying different spots? Because I'm assuming here that your test had the RTK antenna positioned in an area with good satellite reception and what the test was measuring was how the signal traveling from the RTK antenna to the robot was affected by canopy (which could be trees but also tall bushes, wall/fence, embankments, etc...)? Am I getting this right? Thanks again for the thorough tests.
Firstly I agree, Mammotion could definately build a heat map of the area in the app to show the user where the satelite signal; and the radio signal was strong and weak. Whether they will do that is unknown, but I will raise this with them. Yes my RTK Base Antenna was in a good location, but the signal strength I talk about in this video is directly from the GNSS satellites to the robot. Watch this video I took some months back about how the RTK works in robot mowers. Its a bit long a dry content, but expains what you are asking here. ruclips.net/video/k38L5Sdkvbs/видео.html
@@robotlawnmowersaustralia7913 > but I will raise this with them. Good to hear - thank you. > Yes my RTK Base Antenna was in a good location, but the signal strength I talk about in this video is directly from the GNSS satellites to the robot. Yes, I realised later that I was horribly confused about what RTK is all about. GNSS reception is still key on the mower itself. Other Lub enthusiasts seem to have established that when satellite reception is poor at the mower level, the mower can use vision to continue progressing for about 50 meters... > Watch this video I took some months back about how the RTK works in robot mowers. Its a bit long a dry content, but expains what you are asking here. Will do - thank you!
Thanks for excellent test vid. Have you seen how the Luba 2 vision goes avoiding gum tree fallen sticks? My acre has a lot of gum trees and some bog. I can tell it to avoid big but sticks are randomly falling every day. I want one but I think it wouldn’t work on gum tree acreage. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Thanks Tony. We have many customers that have Luba 1 installed on Acreage, in fact I think most of our Luba customers are. Falling sticks are always a bit of an issue, but all I recommend is to make sure you set the cutting height to 50mm or higher so the rubber boot around the cutting system is not exposed. As this is the only vulnerable part that can be damaged by sticks. Large sticks Luba will most likely just go around, but smaller stick 20mm diameter or less Luba will run over. In most cases it will pass over with little to no issue. On the odd occasion it will get caught up and you will have to go a free it. Some customers say this happen once a week, other say every day, others rarely get caught at all.
@@robotlawnmowersaustralia7913 awesome reply, thanks very much. I said “avoid big” but I meant avoid bog. No biggee, you got the gist of it anyway. I think I would be one of your ‘every day’ customers…. but it’s still interesting to me…. I need to wait till my current ride on gets closer to end of life…. so maybe it will be better by then anyway.
No worries. yes they also handle boggy ground very well. They can still mow on ground you would never try to mow with your rideon. The light footprint really makes a difference.
For the slopes i have some pretty steep ones could you tell the luba to mow up and down then do the boundary? The idea being with the grass mowed it might be easier to cut the boundary line
Thanks. I have not tested the Navimow H series in that area, but I would imagine it will mow most of it, but once it got into the areas with very low to now satilite, it would start to bounce around in a random pattern. I will test all the differnt models side by side under tree cover later this year.
If you have relatively flat grounds the Segway H series does a greeat job and the software is more stable than Luba. Segway mows at less than half the speed that Luba does. If you have slopes and or more than 2000m2 then Luba all the way every day. Less than 2000m2 and flat then I would buy the Segway H3000. I would not buy the smaller H800 or H1500 series unless my grass area was less than 500m2 as they mow very slow.
From my testing so far which is only a week with Luba 2, I think the Luba 2 mows more consistantly in low GNSS areas and doesn't miss much grass at all. The I series does a great job, but does tend to miss a few centimeters of grass strips here and there. I think that is due to the width of cut more than anything else. Once the I series mow the areas in two directions you dont see any missed grass.
When making ‘no go” areas around small trees, I try and get as close as possible, but the Luba seems to get in a tangle. Is there a minimum distance for “no go” areas? In addition with no go areas close together overlapping seems impossible. Eg there is enough of a gap between to get the Luba through, but the areas won’t map as too close together. Thanks
Whether to set no go zones around tress is a topic of debate. If you do need them because the ground is rough or soft then they should be mapped 10cm away from the obstacle. It the obstacles are closer than 1m apart then you should map you no go zone around both at the same time in a peanut shape. Other wise if you can have no mapped no go zones around them the robot will bump and go around them and hopefully mow between them when it mows on the right angle to do so.
We have planted around 50 tubestock banksias into one of our grassed areas and we are struggling to work out how best to set up Luba 1 to mow this area. We have double-staked the saplings to protect them, put Luba onto Level 2 protection and allowed him to bump into the stakes. However, he has become tangled on several occasions and ripped a few of them out. We then created no-go zones around the saplings but this left a lot of grass unmown. We have ordered a Luba 2 through you guys. Do you think Luba 2 will perform better? Do you have any advice on how to set up the mapping for best results for both Luba 1 and Luba 2?
The best thing to do is watch how luba bumps and goes around the obstacles. You will see that when it reverses and turns it can easily turn the front wheels and bumper into a position where the garden stakes can end up between. I assume this is what is happening. If you can mow on an angle where getting stuck has less chance is all you can do have it mow with out no go zones. Luba 2 at this stage will no do any better at this as the camera system is either not used or is not currently very good at obstacle detection. Hopefully this will improve with FW updates. Having 50 trees, I would try to stay away from using no go zones, but it may be you only option if it keeps getting caught up on the garden stakes. If it doesnt affect your tress, you could try tripple staking them and putting some corflute around the base so Luba can't get so caught up.
How the area the mower can cover is calculated e.g. total amount of aeras it needs to cut or total aera it needs to cover while traveling e.g. only 1/4 of my plot is grass i need to cut - anyhow biggest aeras are literally at the opposite ends of my garden.
Each Luba model states its recomend maximum total area. So Luba AWD5000 is recomended to be used on a maximum 5000m2. Each model also has a hard limit of the maximum area that can be mapped within the software. Luba 2 1000 has a max area of 1200m2, Luba 2 3000 has a max area of 3500m2, Luba 2 5000 has a max area of 6000m2 and Luba 2 10000 has a max area of 12000m2.
Can you pls do a comparison video as well. ThanksZ
The test everybody was waiting for - thank you for that!
I'm wondering whether the controlling app could be used to build a RTK signal strength map of the area covered by the mower. That would allow people to better position the main antenna trying different spots?
Because I'm assuming here that your test had the RTK antenna positioned in an area with good satellite reception and what the test was measuring was how the signal traveling from the RTK antenna to the robot was affected by canopy (which could be trees but also tall bushes, wall/fence, embankments, etc...)? Am I getting this right?
Thanks again for the thorough tests.
Firstly I agree, Mammotion could definately build a heat map of the area in the app to show the user where the satelite signal; and the radio signal was strong and weak. Whether they will do that is unknown, but I will raise this with them.
Yes my RTK Base Antenna was in a good location, but the signal strength I talk about in this video is directly from the GNSS satellites to the robot.
Watch this video I took some months back about how the RTK works in robot mowers. Its a bit long a dry content, but expains what you are asking here.
ruclips.net/video/k38L5Sdkvbs/видео.html
@@robotlawnmowersaustralia7913 > but I will raise this with them.
Good to hear - thank you.
> Yes my RTK Base Antenna was in a good location, but the signal strength I talk about in this video is directly from the GNSS satellites to the robot.
Yes, I realised later that I was horribly confused about what RTK is all about. GNSS reception is still key on the mower itself. Other Lub enthusiasts seem to have established that when satellite reception is poor at the mower level, the mower can use vision to continue progressing for about 50 meters...
> Watch this video I took some months back about how the RTK works in robot mowers. Its a bit long a dry content, but expains what you are asking here.
Will do - thank you!
Thanks for excellent test vid. Have you seen how the Luba 2 vision goes avoiding gum tree fallen sticks? My acre has a lot of gum trees and some bog. I can tell it to avoid big but sticks are randomly falling every day. I want one but I think it wouldn’t work on gum tree acreage. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Thanks Tony. We have many customers that have Luba 1 installed on Acreage, in fact I think most of our Luba customers are. Falling sticks are always a bit of an issue, but all I recommend is to make sure you set the cutting height to 50mm or higher so the rubber boot around the cutting system is not exposed. As this is the only vulnerable part that can be damaged by sticks.
Large sticks Luba will most likely just go around, but smaller stick 20mm diameter or less Luba will run over. In most cases it will pass over with little to no issue. On the odd occasion it will get caught up and you will have to go a free it. Some customers say this happen once a week, other say every day, others rarely get caught at all.
@@robotlawnmowersaustralia7913 awesome reply, thanks very much. I said “avoid big” but I meant avoid bog. No biggee, you got the gist of it anyway. I think I would be one of your ‘every day’ customers…. but it’s still interesting to me…. I need to wait till my current ride on gets closer to end of life…. so maybe it will be better by then anyway.
No worries. yes they also handle boggy ground very well. They can still mow on ground you would never try to mow with your rideon. The light footprint really makes a difference.
For the slopes i have some pretty steep ones could you tell the luba to mow up and down then do the boundary? The idea being with the grass mowed it might be easier to cut the boundary line
Also with the hills in my yard multiple zones could help it mow easier can you overlap zones so all the grass is mowed?
yes you can now overlap zones.
Hi, yes you can set Luba up to mow on any angle you like. You can also program the task to mow first and then cut the borders last.
Great video. Impressive to see Luba 2 coping under the trees. Do you think Navimow with vision fence could mow that tree covered area?
Thanks. I have not tested the Navimow H series in that area, but I would imagine it will mow most of it, but once it got into the areas with very low to now satilite, it would start to bounce around in a random pattern. I will test all the differnt models side by side under tree cover later this year.
Thank you …. Please do you have tested de Dreame A1 mower ?
No I havn't been contact by them yet. I will no doubt test one in the coming months.
Great video! In your experience which one is better the Luba or the navimow h series? They are running some good deals on the Luba 1
If you have relatively flat grounds the Segway H series does a greeat job and the software is more stable than Luba. Segway mows at less than half the speed that Luba does. If you have slopes and or more than 2000m2 then Luba all the way every day. Less than 2000m2 and flat then I would buy the Segway H3000. I would not buy the smaller H800 or H1500 series unless my grass area was less than 500m2 as they mow very slow.
@@robotlawnmowersaustralia7913
Thank you for the information 👍
For the 5000 model can you map one zone around 5,000 m2 to be done on one day and a different zone with another 5,000 m2 to do on a different day?
No you cant. The model has software limit of total area size of 6000.
Yes as @m2rtsoo said you can only map upto a maximum total area of 6000m2. The software will not allow you to map over this limit.
What are your thoughts on Luba 2 vs navimow i-series when it comes to mowing with poor GNSS signal?
From my testing so far which is only a week with Luba 2, I think the Luba 2 mows more consistantly in low GNSS areas and doesn't miss much grass at all. The I series does a great job, but does tend to miss a few centimeters of grass strips here and there. I think that is due to the width of cut more than anything else. Once the I series mow the areas in two directions you dont see any missed grass.
When making ‘no go” areas around small trees, I try and get as close as possible, but the Luba seems to get in a tangle. Is there a minimum distance for “no go” areas? In addition with no go areas close together overlapping seems impossible. Eg there is enough of a gap between to get the Luba through, but the areas won’t map as too close together. Thanks
Whether to set no go zones around tress is a topic of debate. If you do need them because the ground is rough or soft then they should be mapped 10cm away from the obstacle. It the obstacles are closer than 1m apart then you should map you no go zone around both at the same time in a peanut shape.
Other wise if you can have no mapped no go zones around them the robot will bump and go around them and hopefully mow between them when it mows on the right angle to do so.
We have planted around 50 tubestock banksias into one of our grassed areas and we are struggling to work out how best to set up Luba 1 to mow this area. We have double-staked the saplings to protect them, put Luba onto Level 2 protection and allowed him to bump into the stakes. However, he has become tangled on several occasions and ripped a few of them out. We then created no-go zones around the saplings but this left a lot of grass unmown. We have ordered a Luba 2 through you guys. Do you think Luba 2 will perform better? Do you have any advice on how to set up the mapping for best results for both Luba 1 and Luba 2?
The best thing to do is watch how luba bumps and goes around the obstacles. You will see that when it reverses and turns it can easily turn the front wheels and bumper into a position where the garden stakes can end up between. I assume this is what is happening. If you can mow on an angle where getting stuck has less chance is all you can do have it mow with out no go zones.
Luba 2 at this stage will no do any better at this as the camera system is either not used or is not currently very good at obstacle detection. Hopefully this will improve with FW updates.
Having 50 trees, I would try to stay away from using no go zones, but it may be you only option if it keeps getting caught up on the garden stakes.
If it doesnt affect your tress, you could try tripple staking them and putting some corflute around the base so Luba can't get so caught up.
How the area the mower can cover is calculated e.g. total amount of aeras it needs to cut or total aera it needs to cover while traveling e.g. only 1/4 of my plot is grass i need to cut - anyhow biggest aeras are literally at the opposite ends of my garden.
Each Luba model states its recomend maximum total area. So Luba AWD5000 is recomended to be used on a maximum 5000m2. Each model also has a hard limit of the maximum area that can be mapped within the software. Luba 2 1000 has a max area of 1200m2, Luba 2 3000 has a max area of 3500m2, Luba 2 5000 has a max area of 6000m2 and Luba 2 10000 has a max area of 12000m2.