I think EuroNCAP probably needs to give in these videos some clearer plain English reasons why a car scores what it scores, because the comments here demonstrate a large degree of misunderstanding and prejudice.
@@CarlosHernandez-we1yr Read the comment again. WHY a car scores what it scores is what he asked. They do not explain that here at all and the only way is to visit their website - in fact I will go there now so I can understand why it got one star also as it looked reasonable to me. Ok, here we go: The passenger compartment remained stable in the frontal offset test. Dummy readings indicated protection that was at least adequate for the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger. However, structures in the dashboard presented a risk of injury to occupants of different sizes and to those sitting in different positions, and protection for this part of the body was downgraded to marginal. Chest protection was also rated as marginal for both front seat occupants, based on dummy readings of chest compression. Analysis of the deformable barrier after the test revealed that it would be a benign crash opponent. In the full-width rigid barrier test, protection of the front seat driver and rear seat passenger was at least adequate for all critical parts of the body. In the side barrier test, representing an impact by another vehicle, chest compression indicated a marginal level of protection. In the side pole test, protection of all critical body areas was rated as good or adequate. An assessment of the excursion of an occupant in a far-side impact showed poor protection and the car does not have a counter-measure, such as a centre airbag, for this accident type. Tests on the front seats and head restraints demonstrated good protection against whiplash injuries in the event of a rear-end collision. However, a geometric analysis of the rear seats indicated marginal whiplash protection. Now, Audis always got 5 stars and always had orange (marginal) test results for frontal crashes. This is just as safe for adults inside as say an A3 was 10 years ago, which was a 5 star car. They are rating this low cause of the lack of active safety. One star is ridiculous as can clearly be seen by the physical crash test.
I was looking for this kind of comments. I agree. Why do they even crash cars and take results from other (different) cars!? So stupid in my opinion. smh...
Because they are built on the same platform and they are practically the same car (even though the Jogger is bigger) so that’s why they don’t test both
The structure of the vehicle seems to be solid and absorbs the energy well during the collision, I don't understand why it is still given 1 star. Dacia already uses the Renault Clio 5 platform, it's ridiculous that Dacia gets 1 star while Renault gets 5 stars...
It got 70% score at the impact tests, so that is 3.5 stars. The reason why the overall rating is 1 star is that it got only 1 star for the active safety features (or rather lack of these active safety features like AEB for pedestrians, AEB for cyclists, AEB for reverse driving, LKAS, Active Bonnet) and because it lacks the seat belt reminder for the 3rd row seats
@@S3by13 When any car sold in Europe offers a good protection to passengers, I think is a good idea to improve the active safety focused to avoid any accident.
Why a star and not 2 like Sandero/Logan? Because unlike his brothers, Jogger was downgraded because it does not have a seat belt warning for seats 6 and 7. Dacia explained that this warning is missing because it did not install the necessary wiring. This would have prevented the possibility to remove the third row of seats. In the meantime, I hope everyone has already found out that EuroNCAP has roughen the criteria a lot, right? And some will come and say that it is better to buy a used car as it is safer than the new Dacians. But that's only partially true, because it depends on what used car. If we are talking about a 2015 BMW 5 Series, then yes, it is safer than a new generation Dacia. But if we talk about a regular car on our streets (I live in Romania), let's say a Golf mk5/6 or a Focus mk2/3 or an Astra H/J and you take them to EuroNCAP tomorrow, 99% will get 0 stars according to the current criteria. I'm really sure they'll get a low score on impact protection as well. Why? Because EuroNCAP has raised the bar in this regard as well. We also have a clear example: FIAT Panda. In 2011 it received 82% on impact. In 2018, exactly the same car receives 45% impact when tested again. Why? Because they have roughen their demands even on impact, an impact where the Sandero/ Logan/ Jogger triad has 4 stars (70%) with the current harsh criteria. 70% which means over 90% if we go back to the time of Golf mk5/6. That they are more unsafe than most other new or relatively new models now on the European market today is totally true. But compared to what most Romanians drive (or other Central-Eastern Europeans), that is cars that are 15-20 years old, they are much safer, especially since they benefit from a new and modern platform and have given up the old B0 platform from the '90s. Yes, the Logan 1 and 2 were very bad at safety, but the Logan 3/Sandero Stepway 3 is far superior thanks to a new platform. Watch the video and notice that the A-pillar doesn't even move. CONCLUSION? Are used cars safer than the new Dacians? Those more expensive and not older than 5-7 years, most are. Maybe some of those 7-8 years old too. But what most Romanians drive, that is, cars over 12 years old, no. Sure, compared to similar sized cars.
You can't just make a wild and dangerous claim like saying hat 99% of older cars will get 0 starts according to "current criteria" without providing even an ounce of evidence. Are you a an investor in Dacia or something? Writing all this text about how other cars are less safe than Dacia without an ounce of evidence.
@@lepe9408 Same cars retested: FIAT Panda: 2011 - 4 stars. 2018 - 0 stars. FIAT Punto: 2005 - 5 stars. 2017 - 0 stars. Renault Zoe: 2013 - 5 stars. 2021 - 0 stars. You can find the above on the EuroNCAP website. This is a pattern. Yes, older cars will get 0 stars if retested today. Maybe some will get 1 star, but majority will get ZERO.
@@lepe9408 they were the same cars as they were being produced for many years. Panda is produced since 2011 without changes and Punto was produced from 2005 to 2018 without a new generation. In the same, Renault Zoe received only a make-up, technically being the same car since 2012. This info is at hand, you just need to search for yourself. As for me, I will stick with what I already said.
Yeah, but test standards evolve and with it the vehicle safety. People need to get over the way of thinking that higher test standards are "bad" or that Euro NCAP does Dacia Bashing.
@@tafdiz no, look at the video AND the official document. The vehicle lacks half of the Safety assistant functions and dummy readings are not good either. Just read the document instead of talking bullshit
@@tafdiz yeah but it seems like you missed the best Parts of the document: Problems are: high neck stress on whiplash, high injury risk for people, that are taller or smaller than the normed Dummys, risk of injury on the dashboard, high chest compressions on frontal seats (so women who have weaker chests would be injured very likely there), no center airbag, marginal whiplash protection of the seats.......... So when you say that the 1 star result is just because of the lack of rear seatbelt reminder and Lane Assist you are just not telling the whole story. Other manufacturers are able to perform well in this test so Dacia should do it too. They are using already developed Renault parts for their cars, so building a good, safe car should be no problem.
How can you base it on the results the sandero got its a much bigger car than that so these are not true results all it does is makes the new jogger look poor and one to avoid which is ashame as it is quite a nice looking practical family 7 seater.
@@tanishandshanvigaming4396 Well, preventing an accident is part of the safety. It's a 3 star cars if you only look at how it protect it's occupants in a crash. 2 if you also look at pedestrians.
@@dufonrafal and before AEB was super popular a car with excelent safety get 3,5 4 to 5 stars. And one of those most of the time was 70 to 80% for adults and 50 to 70% for back pasangers or kids.
Always amazes me that so many people have no understanding of how euro ncap scores vehicles now. They see a low rating and think it’s unsafe. It’s totally biased towards prestige vehicles and trying to force complicated unnecessary active safety systems to be standard on vehicles. Lane assist for one is just as likely to cause a crash as it is as stopping one. I for one avoid anything on a vehicle that overrides my decision as a driver. I hate all the tech that’s not needed and just adds cost and reliability issues further down the line out of warranty. Look how many Puntos are on the road and I consider that a safe car especially after being rear ended in one from a car doing 70mph where all the occupants and my dog walked away unharmed and the car passenger compartment completely intact. That car scores zero in the new ncap ratings. Completely lost the plot and irrelevant these days playing to some peoples fears to sell ever more complex and expensive vehicles..🤷🏼♂️
Yeah and they aren't testing vehicle structure good enough. I much rather trust the IIHS small overlap test for car safety. Sadly, getting rear ended isn't tested by anyone, as far as I can recall.
Agreed, Euro NCAP was far more relevant in the years after 1998, where they made sure no manufacturer could get away with selling floppy cars. Everything's tough enough now, and all these tests do is compare how much unnecessary tech the car gets as standard. Well said friend, well said.
@@TheNiki4997 that just demonstrates my point tbh. It’s not unsafe in anyway for its occupants compared to other cars. Did you even read the individual categories? Can you tell me why it got a low score and in what categories? I’m sorry but if your need or have to rely on active safety systems you shouldn’t be driving and but in the unfortunate event of a crash the occupants have as much protection as the majority of other cars.
@@lepe9408 because the whole EuroNCAP ratings are aiming at trashy assisent systems and other unnecessery stuff that nobody needs. This car right here would have been a 5 Star vehicle 10 years ago, but now it is 1 star, fiat punto is even 0 stars. If this car had all the assistens systems that are in a merc, it would have scored minimum 4 stars. Its sad because people look at this rating and think its the protection they get in a crash, when it is absolutely not. Crash avoidance is a good and important topic as it helps avoid crashes in the first place, but it should never have a influence on the actual perfomance ratings in crashes. And just look out on the roads, there are extremly many 15+ years old cars driving around that got a 5 star rating at their time of release, and some people really think they are safer in one of those "because its a 5 star vehicle", when in reality they would be way safer in a new vehicle with a 1 or 2 star rating.
I love my Dacia Sandero Stepway 2022 model. BUT. Once i had a big old truck on the other side of the road that had lots of exhaust smoke. And my car went full brakes and someone almost bumped into me. Since then i have it turned off.
@@TeslaLiam False. EuroNCAP has more than a decade with this cost saving and resource efficiency strategy. That people or consumers read less is something else. There has always been annoyance and dissatisfaction when a vehicle we like gets a low rating, but not when it is high, yes, thanks to its fanaticism. Same fan "argument" for Compass (MK49), Berlingo/Partner Tepee (B9), Z4 (E89), C-Elysée/301 (PF1), Rio (YB), Ka+/Figo (B562), Mustang (S550) and Rifter (K9) to try to justify his poor performance. Example: ▪︎Peugeot 208 and 2008 (A9), Hatchback results were for Crossover without being tested. ▪︎3008 II (P84) and 5008 (P87) ...the same. They got 5 stars on both. Nobody complained. In the new and current generations 208 (P21) and 2008 (P24) their respective models were required in all tests. Earned 4 stars...now they complained. The manufacturers inform NCAP if the vehicles are technically identical or not, also if the differences in exterior sheet metal, monocoque lengthening and aesthetics influence the results. Clarified this, express your disagreement or doubt to the brands. Or at least read the report in the video description.
Your Ratings make no sense anymore and don't reflect the vehicle safety. 1 star should mean its a death trap, but meanwhile its a solid vehicle with airbags all around and even has AEB functions equipped.
"The Dacia Jogger is a partner model to Sandero Stepway and their structure is practically identical. " What will be the next excuse for judging without test? Same manufacturer? Your company is pointless after this statement.
1400 kg "Mobile Progressive Deformable Barrier" Euroncap says "the damage inflicted by the test vehicle to the deformable barrier indicate how efficiently the two partners have interacted" Translate: you can guess what happens when the poor man's car is smashed by a 2500kg electric SUV...
I love these kinds of comments because of their pure stupidity. You are showing that you didn't even read the official testdocument, where the rating is commented and explained. You can not SEE for example to high forces on the driver's chest or a broken leg because of a bad dashboard design based on a youtube video!!! These kind of things are measurement values on which you can calculate the risk of injuries. The fact that the car's passanger compartment does not crumple like a soda can does not mean that the car itself is save and you wont be injured. Understand that!
@@about_blank. No, you can't have an opinion on a test result because it arises when a product is tested in set conditions. These conditions apply to every other vehicle test and are for every vehicle the same. Also he didn't read the Test Document where NCAP clearly explains the result. So the statement that it "Looks fine" is just stupid.
Why were the results for pedestrian AEB not shown? I know that the Dacia's aren't fitted with this facility for price reasons, but in the interests of uniformity, and to inform potential purchasers of what can happen when full AEB isnt fitted. Obviously, pedestrians and cyclists shouldnt just wander out in front of cars, but having seen what the pedestrian protection can do, I'd be less inclined to buy a car without the systems fitted. Of course, its all down to price. In Ireland, VAT is also added (@23%!) to the price of a car. The EU should mandate that additional taxes shouldnt he applied to approved safety systems.
So NCAP is to judge vehicle safety or pedestrian safety? I don't want to kill anyone by accident, but when I buy a car I'm more concerned about me and my family inside the car in case of a crash. A 1 star rating is telling me nothing anymore about the safety of this car. If NCAP want to judge pedestrian safety the should make a different rating just for that.
Just click on the damn link and see the other results lol. It's all there. Nobody actually cares about your existance: the car is rated for it's safety to the public too
From all safety&"safety" systems, only the blind spot monitoring I find useful. The auto-breaking could scare some drivers when engaged, their reaction may have a fatal result. But that lane keep assist is the most annoying (if just beeping) or plain dangerous (if activates). Reason that many people turn these systems off (where possible). Waste of money, research, resources and expensive to fix when broken or damaged. To conclude, maybe NCAP should have two apart testing results: those from the impact result and those related to safety features.
Why on Earth Euro NCAP doesn't split the results on two main categories: ACTIVE safety and PASIVE SAFETY (like IIHS in USA do on their crash tests)? Would be much clearer to know exactly the rating of those cars! This "salad" of active & pasive overall ratings are really useless in many cases! And exactly, to assume that two distinct cars (even built on the same platform) will have the same behaviour in unwanted case of an impact is kind of stupid: longer and heavier vehicles will have a totally different behaviour - due to a "little thing" called Physics. Moreover, Euro NCAP doesn't even think to implement that "small overlap" (look at IIHS testing to see about it) testing which surprize, some years ago put to shame many big names in automotive industry (including BMW). That Small Overlap testing is really a big deal! Initially, when IIHS implemented that testing only few Japanese cars passed it decently or better. Of course, in time things improved on other manufacturers selling cars in USA (!) (I don't know however, if this is applicable to models sold on European market 🤨!)
dacia jogger and dacia sandero, 2 different cars same car brand pringles with paprika and pringles with salt, 2 different flavour same chips brand so if i like pringles with salt 2/5 i must like pringles with paprika without testing bcs they are the same chips brand, right?
If you crash test a Sandero then you can't pretend it's a Jogger. I don't understand how these results are comparable. It might be the same platform but the weight of the car and internal geometry are different. Especially for the rear seats. You can't assume the results would be the same. That's not scientific.
Will EuroNCAP also introduce the new iihs barrier with more speed ? Looks like some cars are not able to pass this new test ruclips.net/video/HHfJR7dBgu0/видео.html
nu au luat nicio spaga, a luat 1 stea deoarece ii lipsesc sistemele de siguranta. AEB in unele cazuri sau chestii de genul. spre exemplu sandero 2010 sau 2008 a luat 4 stele ca pe atunci ncap nu lua atat de mult in considerare sistemele de siguranta ca nu erau chiar pe toate masinile, acum cu tehnologiile de pe masini fiind mai avansate, cele fara sisteme de genul au stele mai mici chiar daca ele nu sunt conserve sau cv de genul. bine... side impact a fost destul de nasol dar in rest masina este destul de bine. problema este ca euro ncap nu stiu sa explice de ce o masina a luat 5 stele si alta 1 stea, chiar daca ele sunt decente la impact.
You didn't test Jogger, you tested Sandero Stepway and at Jogger you assumed from the pen that it's the same on the other side! your tests are already ordinary messes, I don't know why you are still paid, because you don't do your job at all
The Dacia does not use the Alliance CMF-B HS Platform of the Clio / Captur. The Dacia utilises the Alliance CMF-B LS Platform which is a low cost alternative designed for worldwide markets and therefore passes all regulatory standards. This platform will eventually be used for the majority of Alliance Vehicles in countries where ICE is still relevant. NCAP test to Western Europe expectations and hence why Dacia is marked down, if they tested under the pre 2016 NCAP system, it would get 3* easily.
Why are you using the Sandero's test and why not testing the Jogger itself? Different masses and different dimensions means completely different behaviors in a crash! On your logic, you could give 5* to some Geely crappy car because it looks like some Mercedes or some Audi. Downvote!
...a big criticism for EuroNCAP!!!.....car testing Years ago 5 stars....now the same car , One star...for example fiat punto....in 2006, 5 stars....now the same car zero stars....no no....It's impossible!!!!
WTF? If you are lazy to test Dacia Jogger, than at least do not lie. Under these conditions, how can Dacia Sandero Stepway reach 2 stars and Jogger, which you have never ever tested, only 1 star? That is ridiculous. Thumbs down.
Cómo pierde credibilidad Euroncap con este tipo de pruebas. No es el Jogger, pero da igual, nos ahorramos unos euros y nos vamos de……. Una estrella, y si a un coche se le abre la puerta trasera en la colisión lateral, le dais 5 estrellas. Todo muy lógico sí……
To me Euro NCAP means nothing, just marketing without substance. This type of assumptions are dangerous and can have legal consequences from the manufactures.
@@tanishandshanvigaming4396 And I think Mercedes bibed EURONCAP to give 1 star cus Renault buyed it and not Mercedes Yes mercedes tried to buy it in early 2000
Stop your wining, it's all there folks! I get it that most here are considering a purchase but understand the facts before you attempt to 'splain away the poor performance. I'm thinking about getting a Jogger too but I don't fancy the idea of my kids' heads going through the rear-most window or D-pillar because of some cheap-skate design. I also think there's something in protecting our fellow-people who may've chosen to walk their kids to school instead...
@@imariusgreab yes.Cus if a Semi truck(Europe or American dont matters)and it hitted u at high speed That Semi and if it pushes u in the trailer infront, even in a 10 star car ur in a metal confin (and yes IK NO CAR HAVE 10 STARS)
This is Dacia Sandero Stepway, no Dacia Jogger
They are built on the same platform and they are practically the same car so they don’t need to test both
@@green.5568 what a stupid explanation Jogger is almost 1m longer!
@@green.5568 really? Then physics must be done, over, kaput and crashed by a NCAP test. 🤣
@@green.5568 And..every car has 4 wheel so they don't have to test anyone or ?
@@mrsmith697 From the front to the b pillar both cars are exactly the same!
I think EuroNCAP probably needs to give in these videos some clearer plain English reasons why a car scores what it scores, because the comments here demonstrate a large degree of misunderstanding and prejudice.
They already do, it's called: video description. Read it.
yes
@@CarlosHernandez-we1yr Read the comment again. WHY a car scores what it scores is what he asked. They do not explain that here at all and the only way is to visit their website - in fact I will go there now so I can understand why it got one star also as it looked reasonable to me.
Ok, here we go:
The passenger compartment remained stable in the frontal offset test. Dummy readings indicated protection that was at least adequate for the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger. However, structures in the dashboard presented a risk of injury to occupants of different sizes and to those sitting in different positions, and protection for this part of the body was downgraded to marginal. Chest protection was also rated as marginal for both front seat occupants, based on dummy readings of chest compression. Analysis of the deformable barrier after the test revealed that it would be a benign crash opponent. In the full-width rigid barrier test, protection of the front seat driver and rear seat passenger was at least adequate for all critical parts of the body. In the side barrier test, representing an impact by another vehicle, chest compression indicated a marginal level of protection. In the side pole test, protection of all critical body areas was rated as good or adequate. An assessment of the excursion of an occupant in a far-side impact showed poor protection and the car does not have a counter-measure, such as a centre airbag, for this accident type. Tests on the front seats and head restraints demonstrated good protection against whiplash injuries in the event of a rear-end collision. However, a geometric analysis of the rear seats indicated marginal whiplash protection.
Now, Audis always got 5 stars and always had orange (marginal) test results for frontal crashes. This is just as safe for adults inside as say an A3 was 10 years ago, which was a 5 star car. They are rating this low cause of the lack of active safety. One star is ridiculous as can clearly be seen by the physical crash test.
How can you base you results on a much smaller, lighter model? It makes no sense to assume they will perform the same way.
True
I was looking for this kind of comments. I agree. Why do they even crash cars and take results from other (different) cars!? So stupid in my opinion. smh...
Because they are built on the same platform and they are practically the same car (even though the Jogger is bigger) so that’s why they don’t test both
@@TeslaLiam it’s not stupid because if they didn’t test the cars nobody will know how safe the cars are and they wouldn’t know what to buy
@@green.5568 yeah but it’s a lot heavier and the platform is modified. The results are pretty close I imagine but not identical.
The structure of the vehicle seems to be solid and absorbs the energy well during the collision, I don't understand why it is still given 1 star. Dacia already uses the Renault Clio 5 platform, it's ridiculous that Dacia gets 1 star while Renault gets 5 stars...
Aynen...
It got 70% score at the impact tests, so that is 3.5 stars. The reason why the overall rating is 1 star is that it got only 1 star for the active safety features (or rather lack of these active safety features like AEB for pedestrians, AEB for cyclists, AEB for reverse driving, LKAS, Active Bonnet) and because it lacks the seat belt reminder for the 3rd row seats
@@Alberto-do6ho from the euro ncap logic its better to have a car with active safety than airbags
I turn all those silly automation systems off. It's the first thing I do in any car to avoid dangerous phantom breaking.
@@S3by13 When any car sold in Europe offers a good protection to passengers, I think is a good idea to improve the active safety focused to avoid any accident.
Why a star and not 2 like Sandero/Logan? Because unlike his brothers, Jogger was downgraded because it does not have a seat belt warning for seats 6 and 7. Dacia explained that this warning is missing because it did not install the necessary wiring. This would have prevented the possibility to remove the third row of seats.
In the meantime, I hope everyone has already found out that EuroNCAP has roughen the criteria a lot, right? And some will come and say that it is better to buy a used car as it is safer than the new Dacians. But that's only partially true, because it depends on what used car. If we are talking about a 2015 BMW 5 Series, then yes, it is safer than a new generation Dacia.
But if we talk about a regular car on our streets (I live in Romania), let's say a Golf mk5/6 or a Focus mk2/3 or an Astra H/J and you take them to EuroNCAP tomorrow, 99% will get 0 stars according to the current criteria. I'm really sure they'll get a low score on impact protection as well. Why? Because EuroNCAP has raised the bar in this regard as well.
We also have a clear example: FIAT Panda. In 2011 it received 82% on impact. In 2018, exactly the same car receives 45% impact when tested again. Why? Because they have roughen their demands even on impact, an impact where the Sandero/ Logan/ Jogger triad has 4 stars (70%) with the current harsh criteria. 70% which means over 90% if we go back to the time of Golf mk5/6.
That they are more unsafe than most other new or relatively new models now on the European market today is totally true. But compared to what most Romanians drive (or other Central-Eastern Europeans), that is cars that are 15-20 years old, they are much safer, especially since they benefit from a new and modern platform and have given up the old B0 platform from the '90s.
Yes, the Logan 1 and 2 were very bad at safety, but the Logan 3/Sandero Stepway 3 is far superior thanks to a new platform. Watch the video and notice that the A-pillar doesn't even move.
CONCLUSION? Are used cars safer than the new Dacians? Those more expensive and not older than 5-7 years, most are. Maybe some of those 7-8 years old too. But what most Romanians drive, that is, cars over 12 years old, no. Sure, compared to similar sized cars.
You can't just make a wild and dangerous claim like saying hat 99% of older cars will get 0 starts according to "current criteria" without providing even an ounce of evidence.
Are you a an investor in Dacia or something? Writing all this text about how other cars are less safe than Dacia without an ounce of evidence.
@@lepe9408 Same cars retested:
FIAT Panda: 2011 - 4 stars. 2018 - 0 stars.
FIAT Punto: 2005 - 5 stars. 2017 - 0 stars.
Renault Zoe: 2013 - 5 stars. 2021 - 0 stars.
You can find the above on the EuroNCAP website. This is a pattern. Yes, older cars will get 0 stars if retested today. Maybe some will get 1 star, but majority will get ZERO.
@@JurnalAuto A few hand picked examples is not proof of a pattern. Also it's not even the same car that gets retested, it's a later model.
@@lepe9408 they were the same cars as they were being produced for many years. Panda is produced since 2011 without changes and Punto was produced from 2005 to 2018 without a new generation. In the same, Renault Zoe received only a make-up, technically being the same car since 2012. This info is at hand, you just need to search for yourself. As for me, I will stick with what I already said.
@@JurnalAuto Are you really claiming those cars underwent no changes in 7-13 years?
Imagine got 70% and 69% on crash protection score and get 1 star lmao
They didnt pay the people behind euroncap maybe
Compared to other cars, it's really not that great.
This would be 4 stars 5 years ago.
Yeah, but test standards evolve and with it the vehicle safety.
People need to get over the way of thinking that higher test standards are "bad" or that Euro NCAP does Dacia Bashing.
@@tafdiz Capital letters...fail.
@@zuti071 Wtf is wrong with you??
@@tafdiz no, look at the video AND the official document.
The vehicle lacks half of the Safety assistant functions and dummy readings are not good either.
Just read the document instead of talking bullshit
@@tafdiz yeah but it seems like you missed the best Parts of the document:
Problems are: high neck stress on whiplash, high injury risk for people, that are taller or smaller than the normed Dummys, risk of injury on the dashboard, high chest compressions on frontal seats (so women who have weaker chests would be injured very likely there), no center airbag, marginal whiplash protection of the seats..........
So when you say that the 1 star result is just because of the lack of rear seatbelt reminder and Lane Assist you are just not telling the whole story.
Other manufacturers are able to perform well in this test so Dacia should do it too. They are using already developed Renault parts for their cars, so building a good, safe car should be no problem.
wait wtf...so you didn't test jogger. That's a sandero. This video should be reported as misleading.
Agreed.
@@TeslaLiam no
@@matthiastheplotagonistandg7658 yes not no
How can you base it on the results the sandero got its a much bigger car than that so these are not true results all it does is makes the new jogger look poor and one to avoid which is ashame as it is quite a nice looking practical family 7 seater.
Yes
Detailed result in stars :
Adult occupant : 70% = 4*
Child occupant : 69% = 3*
Pedestrian : 41% = 3* (2* in 2023)
Safety assist : 39% = 1*
Euro NCAP Logic.
Just because it doesn't have good ADAS features let's give the overall rating 0 or 1
@@tanishandshanvigaming4396 Well, preventing an accident is part of the safety.
It's a 3 star cars if you only look at how it protect it's occupants in a crash. 2 if you also look at pedestrians.
@@dufonrafal and before AEB was super popular a car with excelent safety get 3,5 4 to 5 stars. And one of those most of the time was 70 to 80% for adults and 50 to 70% for back pasangers or kids.
Always amazes me that so many people have no understanding of how euro ncap scores vehicles now. They see a low rating and think it’s unsafe. It’s totally biased towards prestige vehicles and trying to force complicated unnecessary active safety systems to be standard on vehicles. Lane assist for one is just as likely to cause a crash as it is as stopping one. I for one avoid anything on a vehicle that overrides my decision as a driver. I hate all the tech that’s not needed and just adds cost and reliability issues further down the line out of warranty. Look how many Puntos are on the road and I consider that a safe car especially after being rear ended in one from a car doing 70mph where all the occupants and my dog walked away unharmed and the car passenger compartment completely intact. That car scores zero in the new ncap ratings. Completely lost the plot and irrelevant these days playing to some peoples fears to sell ever more complex and expensive vehicles..🤷🏼♂️
Yeah and they aren't testing vehicle structure good enough. I much rather trust the IIHS small overlap test for car safety. Sadly, getting rear ended isn't tested by anyone, as far as I can recall.
In your logic even seat belt and airbags are designed to kill people.
Agreed, Euro NCAP was far more relevant in the years after 1998, where they made sure no manufacturer could get away with selling floppy cars. Everything's tough enough now, and all these tests do is compare how much unnecessary tech the car gets as standard.
Well said friend, well said.
Well compared to other new cars, this car IS unsafe...
@@TheNiki4997 that just demonstrates my point tbh. It’s not unsafe in anyway for its occupants compared to other cars. Did you even read the individual categories? Can you tell me why it got a low score and in what categories? I’m sorry but if your need or have to rely on active safety systems you shouldn’t be driving and but in the unfortunate event of a crash the occupants have as much protection as the majority of other cars.
We can pretty much ignore these new ratings and judge the results ourselves
what makes you say that?
@@lepe9408 because the whole EuroNCAP ratings are aiming at trashy assisent systems and other unnecessery stuff that nobody needs. This car right here would have been a 5 Star vehicle 10 years ago, but now it is 1 star, fiat punto is even 0 stars. If this car had all the assistens systems that are in a merc, it would have scored minimum 4 stars. Its sad because people look at this rating and think its the protection they get in a crash, when it is absolutely not. Crash avoidance is a good and important topic as it helps avoid crashes in the first place, but it should never have a influence on the actual perfomance ratings in crashes. And just look out on the roads, there are extremly many 15+ years old cars driving around that got a 5 star rating at their time of release, and some people really think they are safer in one of those "because its a 5 star vehicle", when in reality they would be way safer in a new vehicle with a 1 or 2 star rating.
@@rainerzufall7014 not "way safer" but "just as safe" in a collision
0:13 rating based on Sandero? Sorry? That’s a different car…
It is not Jogger but Sandero and for me it doesn't have to behave the same way..
True!
You have written it: for you.
For the manufacturer Dacia, if they behave the same.
It’s Dacia Sandero Stepway in this video. Not Dacia Jogger
It’s built on the same platform as the Dacia Sandero Stepway, so they used it here.
@@tafdiz Wtf is with your capital letters?
@@tafdiz No, the dont just do it with Dacia.
This is a common practice, look at BMW 2 series crash tests for example!
I love my Dacia Sandero Stepway 2022 model. BUT. Once i had a big old truck on the other side of the road that had lots of exhaust smoke. And my car went full brakes and someone almost bumped into me. Since then i have it turned off.
The didn't even test the Jogger... Its just the video of Sandero.. this is dumb.. buget cuts, ha?
Mhm! Euro NCAP have been doing this nonsense in their latest videos. That is bad >:(
@@TeslaLiam False. EuroNCAP has more than a decade with this cost saving and resource efficiency strategy.
That people or consumers read less is something else. There has always been annoyance and dissatisfaction when a vehicle we like gets a low rating, but not when it is high, yes, thanks to its fanaticism.
Same fan "argument" for Compass (MK49), Berlingo/Partner Tepee (B9), Z4 (E89), C-Elysée/301 (PF1), Rio (YB), Ka+/Figo (B562), Mustang (S550) and Rifter (K9) to try to justify his poor performance. Example:
▪︎Peugeot 208 and 2008 (A9), Hatchback results were for Crossover without being tested.
▪︎3008 II (P84) and 5008 (P87) ...the same. They got 5 stars on both. Nobody complained.
In the new and current generations 208 (P21) and 2008 (P24) their respective models were required in all tests. Earned 4 stars...now they complained.
The manufacturers inform NCAP if the vehicles are technically identical or not, also if the differences in exterior sheet metal, monocoque lengthening and aesthetics influence the results.
Clarified this, express your disagreement or doubt to the brands. Or at least read the report in the video description.
@@CarlosHernandez-we1yr I don't have time to read your bible but you are probably right. I have the right to express anything that I feel is unclear.
Your Ratings make no sense anymore and don't reflect the vehicle safety. 1 star should mean its a death trap, but meanwhile its a solid vehicle with airbags all around and even has AEB functions equipped.
Totally agree with you Hubert - the new ratings system is a complete farce.
@@tafdiz You really don't know when and how to use capital letters!?
Such a shame!
@@zuti071 Where talking about a car, not English class.
Why did the AEB got 39% ? And it is ridiculous that they don't test the actual car.
It's called: video description. Read it.
"The Dacia Jogger is a partner model to Sandero Stepway and their structure is practically identical. " What will be the next excuse for judging without test? Same manufacturer? Your company is pointless after this statement.
It is literally sandero video with black and white filter..
1400 kg "Mobile Progressive Deformable Barrier" Euroncap says "the damage inflicted by the test vehicle to the deformable barrier indicate how efficiently the two partners have interacted" Translate: you can guess what happens when the poor man's car is smashed by a 2500kg electric SUV...
Why black and white vídeo?
Information of the dacia jogger is only behind the driver's door different to the sandero so the jogger does not have to be crashed
SANDERO not Jogger!!
they are built on the same platform
Probably aeb or extra safety features lead to a bad rating
Looks fine for me.
I love these kinds of comments because of their pure stupidity.
You are showing that you didn't even read the official testdocument, where the rating is commented and explained.
You can not SEE for example to high forces on the driver's chest or a broken leg because of a bad dashboard design based on a youtube video!!!
These kind of things are measurement values on which you can calculate the risk of injuries.
The fact that the car's passanger compartment does not crumple like a soda can does not mean that the car itself is save and you wont be injured.
Understand that!
@@RechtschreibrichterReiner Bruh, it's HIS option.
@@about_blank.
No, you can't have an opinion on a test result because it arises when a product is tested in set conditions.
These conditions apply to every other vehicle test and are for every vehicle the same.
Also he didn't read the Test Document where NCAP clearly explains the result.
So the statement that it "Looks fine" is just stupid.
@@RechtschreibrichterReiner My guy, the thing is no one cares .No one cares about the safety or it's stars.
@@RechtschreibrichterReiner And still it's a solid car with AEB,ABS etc. and airbags.
No han hecho pruebas con el Jogger
Why in B and W?
Reminds us of the good old days
Dacia is best value for money !
Will there be anymore?
1 ⭐️ perché non ha “ di serie “‘ alcuni dispositivi Di sicurezza?!
Why were the results for pedestrian AEB not shown?
I know that the Dacia's aren't fitted with this facility for price reasons, but in the interests of uniformity, and to inform potential purchasers of what can happen when full AEB isnt fitted.
Obviously, pedestrians and cyclists shouldnt just wander out in front of cars, but having seen what the pedestrian protection can do, I'd be less inclined to buy a car without the systems fitted.
Of course, its all down to price.
In Ireland, VAT is also added (@23%!) to the price of a car.
The EU should mandate that additional taxes shouldnt he applied to approved safety systems.
So NCAP is to judge vehicle safety or pedestrian safety? I don't want to kill anyone by accident, but when I buy a car I'm more concerned about me and my family inside the car in case of a crash.
A 1 star rating is telling me nothing anymore about the safety of this car. If NCAP want to judge pedestrian safety the should make a different rating just for that.
Ayen
@@dragosbelea7454 agreed
Just click on the damn link and see the other results lol. It's all there.
Nobody actually cares about your existance: the car is rated for it's safety to the public too
EuroNCAP is trying to trick car buyers by rolling in outside pedestrian safety ratings into the main score
Eso no es un Dacia Jogger, siempre igual.
Put dislike to this video if you agree that the car on video doesn't match video title.
Peugeot 308 and Opel Astra please
Only need one or the other, its basically the same car now that Stellantis owns Opel.
From all safety&"safety" systems, only the blind spot monitoring I find useful. The auto-breaking could scare some drivers when engaged, their reaction may have a fatal result. But that lane keep assist is the most annoying (if just beeping) or plain dangerous (if activates). Reason that many people turn these systems off (where possible). Waste of money, research, resources and expensive to fix when broken or damaged.
To conclude, maybe NCAP should have two apart testing results: those from the impact result and those related to safety features.
Auto braking can not have a fatal result in any way
@@leolego2 ... just rear ended.
@@99solutionsit10Rear-ended by a tailgating fully loaded cement lorry😢
Euro ncap homble reguest to do the crash test of i20 please ,♥️
This is not a jogger i want to se a jogger not a sandero in the crash test!!!!
euro ncap: does not include face recognition. euro ncap: -1000star
Yep agreed Just because ADAS doesn't work good its 1 star
And where is the Dacia Jogger in all of that?
Why on Earth Euro NCAP doesn't split the results on two main categories: ACTIVE safety and PASIVE SAFETY (like IIHS in USA do on their crash tests)?
Would be much clearer to know exactly the rating of those cars!
This "salad" of active & pasive overall ratings are really useless in many cases!
And exactly, to assume that two distinct cars (even built on the same platform) will have the same behaviour in unwanted case of an impact is kind of stupid: longer and heavier vehicles will have a totally different behaviour - due to a "little thing" called Physics.
Moreover, Euro NCAP doesn't even think to implement that "small overlap" (look at IIHS testing to see about it) testing which surprize, some years ago put to shame many big names in automotive industry (including BMW). That Small Overlap testing is really a big deal! Initially, when IIHS implemented that testing only few Japanese cars passed it decently or better. Of course, in time things improved on other manufacturers selling cars in USA (!) (I don't know however, if this is applicable to models sold on European market 🤨!)
Perfect comment, totally with you!
don't have the money for a car to crash test ???
dacia jogger and dacia sandero, 2 different cars same car brand
pringles with paprika and pringles with salt, 2 different flavour same chips brand
so if i like pringles with salt 2/5 i must like pringles with paprika without testing bcs they are the same chips brand, right?
What?
But that isn't a jogger?
I want Dacia to be safe, even though its developing costs money...
If you crash test a Sandero then you can't pretend it's a Jogger. I don't understand how these results are comparable. It might be the same platform but the weight of the car and internal geometry are different. Especially for the rear seats. You can't assume the results would be the same. That's not scientific.
Wtf?! This a Dacia Sandero!!! Not a Jogger!!!
Will EuroNCAP also introduce the new iihs barrier with more speed ?
Looks like some cars are not able to pass this new test
ruclips.net/video/HHfJR7dBgu0/видео.html
IIHS is far more better than uselless euroncap
Fake. That is the Stepway!
WTF?
Sandero or Jogger?
Se pare că totul este bine cu mașina.
Aici este vorba de concurenta pe piața.
Cred ca au luat șpagă cei de la NCAP sa dea 1 stea pentru Dacia
nu au luat nicio spaga, a luat 1 stea deoarece ii lipsesc sistemele de siguranta. AEB in unele cazuri sau chestii de genul. spre exemplu sandero 2010 sau 2008 a luat 4 stele ca pe atunci ncap nu lua atat de mult in considerare sistemele de siguranta ca nu erau chiar pe toate masinile, acum cu tehnologiile de pe masini fiind mai avansate, cele fara sisteme de genul au stele mai mici chiar daca ele nu sunt conserve sau cv de genul. bine... side impact a fost destul de nasol dar in rest masina este destul de bine. problema este ca euro ncap nu stiu sa explice de ce o masina a luat 5 stele si alta 1 stea, chiar daca ele sunt decente la impact.
the NCAP organization has lost confidence. how could they commit such a fate and replace another car model?
Kenwee crash test please
You didn't test Jogger, you tested Sandero Stepway and at Jogger you assumed from the pen that it's the same on the other side! your tests are already ordinary messes, I don't know why you are still paid, because you don't do your job at all
Ma questa è la sandero non la jogger...
The car in the Video isnt a jogger its a sandero
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This is crazy-
what makes you say that?
@@i.am.arombus8409 Why did they not test the Jogger on its own, I know its the same platform but still, 2 completely different classes-
@@09RadBoy well.. yeah you're right with that. i tought you're going to say about the rating being very low even though its pretty good on impacts
The new Dacia platform use the almost newest Renault Clio platform. How this had 1 star?!
Euro NCAP, what are u doin' ?!
The Dacia does not use the Alliance CMF-B HS Platform of the Clio / Captur.
The Dacia utilises the Alliance CMF-B LS Platform which is a low cost alternative designed for worldwide markets and therefore passes all regulatory standards. This platform will eventually be used for the majority of Alliance Vehicles in countries where ICE is still relevant.
NCAP test to Western Europe expectations and hence why Dacia is marked down, if they tested under the pre 2016 NCAP system, it would get 3* easily.
WHAT THE FUCK
What a shame has this institute become...
🤦
Just because of ADAS the car gets 1 star?
That's outrageous
@@tanishandshanvigaming4396 I was thinking the same thing man...
Why are you using the Sandero's test and why not testing the Jogger itself? Different masses and different dimensions means completely different behaviors in a crash! On your logic, you could give 5* to some Geely crappy car because it looks like some Mercedes or some Audi. Downvote!
Good for its price. Why did we die in black and white ? Perception game
1 star for what?ncap - what are you smoking there?How much German rivals paid you for this stitch up? SHAME!!!!
Just for ADAS
...a big criticism for EuroNCAP!!!.....car testing Years ago 5 stars....now the same car , One star...for example fiat punto....in 2006, 5 stars....now the same car zero stars....no no....It's impossible!!!!
Its a Sandero.Thats like sending a VW Polo instead of a Touran......
I' ts imposible..!! Is a good car ! 5 star real ! Sure !! Super preaty and good look!!
looks don't matter in safety...
Maybe car is too much premium, too expensive and they affraid to crash more than one car... 😅
Allez Dacia !
Hai Dacia !
I'm not afraid to drove a DACIA, nothing less than a premium car.
WTF? If you are lazy to test Dacia Jogger, than at least do not lie. Under these conditions, how can Dacia Sandero Stepway reach 2 stars and Jogger, which you have never ever tested, only 1 star? That is ridiculous. Thumbs down.
1 stars ???
Only 1 star? You are crazy, or you give better score to companies that pay you
This is not Jogger and EURONCAP is joke
Cars got more stars for electronic bullshoit then real car ruggability
How you can based on other car Sandero, buy Jogger make proper crash test and than give even 0 star. Sorry to say but NCAP organization start to be 💩
This is a misunderstanding. You break up Sandero and say the Jogger is dangerous. Euro NCAP. You are scammers. I have disappointed you. 👎👎👎👎
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no dacia jogger dacia sandero stepway
it's mistake!
Sandero, kaine Jogger
Вот зачем автовазу путаться с этим недоразумением?!
Ez azért elég jó. Nekem kell max 7000 euróért.
Jogger, maybe even Joker, until crash.
Fake this is not jogger
Cómo pierde credibilidad Euroncap con este tipo de pruebas. No es el Jogger, pero da igual, nos ahorramos unos euros y nos vamos de…….
Una estrella, y si a un coche se le abre la puerta trasera en la colisión lateral, le dais 5 estrellas. Todo muy lógico sí……
Dacia Sandero stepway
Fake. Is not a Jogger. Don't manipulate!
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1 star ?😒😒😒😒
Una estrella es insuficiente.
No shit Sherlock
So is it Sandero or Jogger :D - Ncap thinks it is Jogger ! So stupid.
To me Euro NCAP means nothing, just marketing without substance. This type of assumptions are dangerous and can have legal consequences from the manufactures.
Marketing? If this is marketing then please explain to me what euroNCAP is selling.
euroncap is sponsored by premium brands...bs rating
No
It's not that bad..
Sponsoring by Volkswagen!
Include Mercedes, Volvo etc even though Volvo is swedish
@@tanishandshanvigaming4396 And I think Mercedes bibed EURONCAP to give 1 star cus Renault buyed it and not Mercedes
Yes mercedes tried to buy it in early 2000
Stop your wining, it's all there folks! I get it that most here are considering a purchase but understand the facts before you attempt to 'splain away the poor performance. I'm thinking about getting a Jogger too but I don't fancy the idea of my kids' heads going through the rear-most window or D-pillar because of some cheap-skate design. I also think there's something in protecting our fellow-people who may've chosen to walk their kids to school instead...
Corupt Euro NCAP
that is Sandero you liers, stop with the german propaganda
What German propaganda?
NONSENS
Niemals Dacia
That Dacia definitely is not safe .
Depends on what hits you.
@@imariusgreab very true
It is safe it just doesn't have good ADAS.
@@imariusgreab yes.Cus if a Semi truck(Europe or American dont matters)and it hitted u at high speed That Semi and if it pushes u in the trailer infront, even in a 10 star car ur in a metal confin (and yes IK NO CAR HAVE 10 STARS)
not bad for such a cheap car