The Greek music is so rich and it has several genres, starting from the rich traditional music, on to rebetika and, since you mentioned Smyrna, we have "smyrneika" which is worth listening to and notice the influence on rebetika, then on to "laika" which is the music that combines bouzouki with other instruments as well and develops the genre. There is also the European influence in the mid 20th century where we have the "evropaika" with big orchestras and some important singers, and all this before we get to Theodorakis and Hatzidakis and all the other major composers who made internationally famous the Greek music. Of course, the journey continues with "entechno" and so much more. I really enjoyed the video, great job showing different aspects of the city.
Bouzouki is not even a Greek instrument, but something relevant with Minor Asians just as the fast food gyro is. Souvlaki is Greek food and its meat on a stick, so the "()" as gyro with souvlaki are irrelevant as well. It is also basically Minor Asians who call gyro as "souvlaki" - and that started in Athens. Zorba is totally irrelevant with Northern Hellenic music, which is based on everything from clarinet, lute, gaida, accordion, specific timpanis etc.
@@aetherion7 Ι think this video is about music created and played in Greece by Greek musicians. Origin of instruments is a different and quite complicated matter. The same applies to food in the Balcan/Asia Minor vicinity.
@@aetherion7For me, traditional Greek music is Ipirotiko haha. The wailing crying clarinet and the def. The stuff shown here is something foreign to Epirus. Greek music has more variety than most give credit for
I dont often comment on RUclips ! But your research around Athens through those videos is amazing ! Thank you for showing the true and romantic side of Athens and Greece!
To experience Greek music you have to also go to a Epirus Panigiri and see how in some ways they still influence today's music because in them panigiris the music of the people made by the people in the past is played
Very nice videos!! About Greek music, the "classic" traditional Greek music is just the folklore traditional Greek music which is the evolution of Byzantine music. Sounds a bit "oriental" because the Byzantine music is also technically the base of Ottoman, Arab and Balkan music or at least in the case of Arabic music perhaps influenced heavy by Byzantine music and not exactly based on. Tourists have almost no idea about folklore traditional Greek music. Rebetika and bouzoukia style in general Greek music is more "modern" traditional Greek music, exist about last two centuries.
Including myself, I really don’t know much about classic Greek folk music. I may need to do a follow up video about it. Rebetiko is the sound that most of the world would recognize as “Greek music”
@@UrbanistExploringCities Rebetiko is probably the newest of the traditional sounds of Greece or the most Urban one. Real Greek traditional music is found more in the countryside or the islands and it's quite a different planet, it's as rural folk as it gets
Athens is a lively city, because the Greeks have vitality in them. A city with a history of at least 2,500 years, with a unique people that stands out in all situations of life, with its good and its bad.
Moving to Athens next month, I spent the last summer all over Greece, Turkey and Israel. Yours videos are awesome. It helps me a lot to understand the very ground of the country
26:54 Wildly inaccurate. It is highly unlikely that human sacrifice in ancient Greece was ever a common practice. It was extremely rare (and even that is debated by some historians) and was certainly considered an abhorrent and barbaric act by the classical period (5th and 4th century BC).
Ooooh, I really enjoyed this. Thank you for bringing memories of Greece back to me ♥ At 22:00 reminds me of a couple of greek arrangements I've been so lucky to attend. The music, the people, the FOOD and that atmosphere is just so special. It warms my heart. 😊💙
Ubsolutely interesting ,good local music, and some well known music creators as Xatzidakis,Theodorakis( you can google about them),Tsitsanis ,and others,from older times...Of course modern sounds too.
Well that's what you get when you dig deep instead of strolling around the tourist places and post superfluous video reviews about any city like so many others! It takes time and energy but when you truly get it it feels so rewarding! Congrats
You nailed it man. The best soul searching video depiction of modern Athens and the soul of the Athenians that make it what it is. I do not understand how you got so deep. Beautiful preparation exceptional presentation. Excellent. Ty. (A word of warning though.... There is a virous on the lose that creeps under your skin and hooks you to the place forever. I am a victim of that lool)
That means so much! I got so deep by pure happenstance, meeting one person led to meeting more. And I came across topics that aren’t so well known by foreigners (like Rebetiko, the events of the Civil War, the architectural history) that really illuminated me about Greek culture 🙏
Actually, rebetico is not the traditional music of Greece, rather it's an urban style music that developt in the beginnings of 20th century in Athens, Piraeus, Thessaloniki and Smyrna, just like you talk about in the video. The traditional Greek music, is more connected with nature and themes about the mountains, the trees, the sea, the fields and every day life, work, struggles and love affairs of the people of the countryside. The instruments are also different. For example, the king of the instruments in most of mainland Greece is the clarinet while in the islands, is the violin. In Crete and some of the Dodecanese islands, it's the lyra and in Thrace and some areas of Macedonia it's the cavali, the lyra and bagpipes, witch are also very popular in many islands. In the Ionian islands, witch the Italian influence was bigger, they play mandolins, mandolas and guitars. In northern Greece brass instruments are very popular, due to the influence the region has, from neighbor Balkan countries and then there's the traditional music of the Anatolian and Pontic refuges, witch has a lot in common with Turkish music and uses a lot of similar instrument like the oud, the kemence, the canun etc. In fact the rebetico style was heavily influenced by this kind of Anatolian, (Asian minor mostly), tradition, since many of the poor, working class people in the ports and the outskirts of cities, where Anatolian refuges. The buzuki descends from the tamburi and the bozuk, (a Turkish instrument), witch was two instruments played mostly solo, from the outlaws in the mountains and in the islands, all throughout the Balkans and Turkey, with different variations in each region. The instrument, suited perfectly with the bohemian life style of the outlaws in the new, growing, urban centers and ports of the country, but in most of Greece, the lute is actually the most popular string traditional instrument.
Παρουσιάζεις την ελληνική μουσική ως ένα αποτέλεσμα επιρροών από γειτονικές της χώρες και μόνο. Αλλού τουρκική επιρροή, αλλού βαλκανικές επιρροές κι αλλού ιταλική. Δεν είναι έτσι!
@@Κάτια-ψ5ξ καμιά σχέση μ' αυτό που λέω. Εγώ λέω ότι η Ελληνική παραδοσιακή μουσική είναι διαφορετική απ' το ρεμπέτικο ως προς τα όργανα, το ύφος και την θεματολογία Κι απλά λέω πως το ύφος και τα όργανα σε κάποιες περιοχές, Μακεδονία, Μικρά Ασία και Πόντος, έχουν επηρεαστεί από γειτονικές παραδόσεις. Όχι πως όλη η παραδοσιακή μουσική είναι επηρεασμένη από αυτές. Και αυτό κατά την γνώμη μου ισχύει και δεν είναι κακό. Γι' αυτό η παραδοσιακή μας μουσική είναι τόσο πλούσια σε σχέση με άλλες.
@@Feon83 Το ρεμπέτικο και η λαϊκή μουσική συγκαταλέγονται στην ελληνική παραδοσιακή μουσική που έχει ως βάση τη βυζαντινή εκκλησιαστική και τη βυζαντινής λαϊκή μουσική.Τα όργανα όμως είναι αραβικής και περσικής προέλευσης. Στα Ιόνια νησιά, η μουσική έχει όντως επιρροές από την ιταλική μουσική αλλά στην υπόλοιπη Ελλάδα ο αυλός π.χ. έχει αρχαιοελληνική προέλευση και πολλά στοιχεία μπορεί να προέρχονται από αρχαία Ελλάδα.
@Feon83 What is Turkish and what is ottoman ? Is what is ottoman always Turkish? No. Ottoman culture comes from all the peoples of the Empire. Bouzouki works with semi-tones which is western music. It's largely influenced by western instruments. The name does not explain what bouzouki is. And all tambouras were not Turkish. In Greek tamboura is a family of instruments. We can find the word thamboura even in middle ages Digenis Akritas poems. Unfortunately it is know that history is written by the winner, the rich and the powerful. And Greek history, including Greek music history, is mainly influenced by wester scholars and Turkish scholars. It is a colonized history and many Greek scholars still have the mindset of the colonized.
Δεν υπάρχει όργανο μποζουκ. Στα τούρκικα σημαίνει χαλασμένο- ξεκούρδιστο. Και θα συμφωνήσω με την προηγούμενη απάντηση που λέει για το σάζι- ταμπουρά ότι δεν μπορεί να ονομαστεί τουρκικής προέλευσης, όπως δε θα το ονόμαζα προσωπικά ούτε ελληνικής. Πρόκειται για όργανα συνδεδεμένα περισσότερα με γεωγραφικές περιοχές παρά με εθνικότητες
Oooh that’s so good to hear. Because initially we were tempted to edit this docuseries at a breakneck pace like my short videos but then we decided to embrace the slow moments, but just enough to make you feel like you are going on a fun journey
Im Arab. We have Greek influence in our music. But it depends. You will find more Greek influence in old Eastern Roman empire ( Egypt Syria Lebanon). Especially if these regions historically or presently have Christian Arabs ( Orthodox ect Syriac). Because influence took place when Christianity spread from semites ( Syriac) to Greeks. Then ottoman empire adopted Byzantine style and spread it further even to Tunisia. So I'm Moroccan and we don't have much eastern Mediterranean influence in music ( not much Byzantine not much ottoman) but starting from Tunisia East you notice. Alexandria Smyrna İstanbul. Often one song one melody and lyrics in Arabic Greek and Turkish songs 200 years old
This type of Bouzouki-based music is not the traditional music of the Greeks. It is a part of the tradition, that came a bit later, in the start of the 20th century, after the Greeks of Smyrni in Asia Minor were persecuted by the Turks and fled in Athens and Peireus. It was born in this underground cast of people that lived out of the law mostly. As you mentioned this group of Greeks brought this bouzouki/rebetiko music with them and later it became popular and evolved in different forms that it exists today. However, the Greek folklore music is not this one, but it is the one played with instruments such as the traditional balkan clarinet, with traditional drums or with various kinds of string and bow intruments (lyra) or evens some types of bagpipe instuments. It is danced usually in circles with traditional costumes and there are various kinds of this traditional music styles, different for every part of Greece, Crete, mountains of Eperus, Macedonia, Thace, Thessaly, Aegean islands, Pontos Greeks, etc. This is the true, original traditional Greek music. Rebetico and bouzouki came later.
Yea I realized that should have shown very traditional Greek folk music so people can get a sense of how it compares to Rebetiko. Maybe next time, if I do another series in Thessaloniki! ;)
let's not forget that many Asia Minor refugees went to Thessaloniki as well, actually have the city is inhabited by Minor Asian Greeks. Also north Greece in general has many asia minor greeks
Zorba is closer to Italian music because this style of music comes from corfu wich was ruled by Italia for a long time. But traditional greek music is way more than that. There is Cretan, island music, rumeliotica and many more. All of them would sound more oriental to westerners because we were the original creators of oriental music and you can understand that by listening to early byzantine chants
Kinda hated the title but ended up lovingthe video i realized i gotta sit down and talk w a person older than me maybe a bouzouktzi, whos a music lover and a convo with him will be a lil history class
Great video! We should think of rebetiko music more as urban music than traditional. Even if its morphology has roots in Asia Minor traditional music, it's mostly at the same music family as rap and first hip-hop. All these types became at some time commercial but they have roots in poor societies that talk about losses and difficulties
My friend (i think your name is Ariel 😅) I am wathcing your series about Athens and they so interesting! I've heard things about the city that i hadn't thought of! Keep up the nice work! I would like to ask a question. What is the name of the rooftop (with Acropolis view) you went? Thank you 😁😁
@@UrbanistExploringCities Thanks a lot mate!! You show a different aspect of the city that, some of us, leaving mainly in the suburbs, don't get to see that much! Enjoy your stay, if you are still here 😍
How would you say Athens compares to other historic Mediterranean cities such as Lisbon or Malaga? Is it similar in atmosphere? I just love historical cities with a modern twist, I am looking to retire in one.
I have really enjoyed your Athen series next level compared to your previous work. Great stuff! Now I really want to go back to Athena, I haven’t been there for over 20 years (back then it was rather scruffy and uninteresting). Now a suggestion/request: you should head to Belgrade. It’s even more of a mess of a city than Athens and has been bombed to smithereens several times. Just like Athens it has received a lot of refugees, in the 1990s from Bosnia and Croatia and now from Ukraine and Russia. There is a crumbling old town, 1970s brutalist New Belgrade and now a new Belgrade by the river skyscraper development funded by Gulf money. Go, it’s a kind of rough merger of Athens and Berlin minus the hipster tourist crowds (for now).
It always upsets me to see beautiful Greece covered in graffiti in different parts of the city. This is a newer phenomenon and some people may embrace it, but I prefer to remember Greece before the spray can revolution really exploded. It just seems dirty to me for a country with such natural beauty.
It is very difficult for a non greek person to realise the amount of art and culture still produced in Greece in 20th century and today , not only in music but in poetry (2 Nobel prises) , painting and elsewhere. Unfortunately the greek language is no longer a universal language like in antiquity, otherwise many people would be amazed and benefited...
Some of the best cuisines? 😂 Every year we fight with the Italians for first place worl wide......l never watch episodes on my Country for the obvious reasons...just cant catch the true meaning of Greece, Greeks you have done a great job and kept me watching all the episodes ; I hope you do this for all your future adventures 👍🏻
Thing with places like Klimataria, is that they were made for low income workers, and due to overtourism, which likes those places just because they're "original" they get gentrified, and start being accessible only to medium-high class. So they stop being original, locals stop going there as they find less appeal, theyre become more expensive, and less original. They become the opposite of what tourists want, due to over-tourism.
@@UrbanistExploringCities prolong your stay and also try the islands. go off-season ikaria ithaki chios crete rhodos or smaller cities and villages in the mountains (gianenna - larissa - patra - sparta - levadia). each place has different cousine, dances, mentality etc athens is nice for vacation (or weekends) but not for work (its hectic).
@@Nikosk00 hey Nikos! I have videos already of Ikaria, Crete, and Sparta! Check them out :) but yea can’t wait to return for Chios, Rhodes, and other places
If you don't travel to the countryside mainland Greece or islands, you haven't listen almost nothing about Greek music, but only the 10% of it. The summertime "panigyri" (pronounced as "paniyiri") traditional festivals, are the only way to meet the more ancient LOCAL, pure music. Go to Ikaria island. Go to Amorgos island. Go to Crete, to Karpathos island, to Epirus, to Roumeli, to the Peloponnese (mostly to the western and south parts). Go to central Macedonia to meet the Pontics in Kilkis town or in Thessaloniki and their traditional fests and then to Serres city surrounding area to listen to the local "zourna" more oriental sound style music. That's the reason i repeat again, you haven't heard almost nothing about that big treasure which called greek music. You just heard only the urban music. We are looking like as a whole continent of music traditions, although we are only a small country.
The Zourna is traditionally used in mainland Greek music too but they replaced it with the clarinet. Pontics still use the zourna but for some reason other Greeks abandoned this instrument.
I love your videos Ariel but if I can give you some positive feed back. You need to slow your speech down just a tad bit. It feels a bit rushed on delivery. It's great to have excitement but there's points where it's a bit hard to follow. There's parts where your flow is beautiful when you engage the audience to tell background and tell history but at other parts your introduction is very rushed to bring excitement and it's crushing the words together so fast what you're saying gets missed.
Yea 😅 I’ve gotten used to making short videos that had to be delivered fast. But that isn’t needed in these longer documentaries, so I appreciate the feedback 🙏
It is unbelievable how the Greeks can survive after the economic crisis and geopolitical tensions!! They remind me of the Israelis, but without the money!!😂💙💥
That's a very nice video Ariel! Here are just two different samples of Greek music among many throughout Greece : ruclips.net/video/FG08nWmI9YA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/jMGbcYc9AVk/видео.html
@@vask3863 I will edit my comment to be more clear. Zorba is of course a modern Greek song. My point is that the use of major scales and harmonization techniques in "Zorba's Dance" aligns it with Western European music traditions. This is similar to the music of the Ionian Islands, which was heavily influenced by Venetian (Italian) rule, rather then the majority of Greek music which to western ears is more oriental sounding.
i really do enjoy your documentaries but this one i found to be lackluster. Merely skirting the connecting dots and albeit i have understanding for your careful approach to the early 1920s events, it does not do the subject just.
@princessgothicgirl1584 Athens is not just the capital of Greece is the cradle of western civilization,the city of the philosophers.So please, do me a small favor, and make some time in your itinerary to scratch the surface of this magnificent city.
That guy didn't know anything about history. Greeks stopped sacrifice and gave food and inanimate object offerings hundreds of years before the Roman conquest and christianity was even a thought
Keep to architecture, please. This video was extremely boring, not to mention the guy who tried to explain to you parts of ancient culture was plainly ridiculous.
In a few years... no more than 5... Athens will be like Kabul, Islamabad etc... This was your last chance to live a semi european Athens that is dying under the hijab...
18:19 The Greeks of Asia Minor did not come to mainland Greece because Smyrni burned down. I wonder whether ignorance or malignant purpose made the creator say that. They came because of the population exchange agreement between Greece and Turkey, that was the last nail in the coffin of Greek presence in Asia Minor. It follows a very long series of genocidal actions against the Christian populations of the Ottoman Empire (Armenians suffered genocide as well), of which the burning of Smyrni was just one of many events. The most common estimates for Greeks killed in Asia Minor from 1914 to 1923 range from 300,000 to 900,000. At 1923, with the population exchange agreement, 1.2 million Greeks left their ancestral lands for ever to come to mainland Greece. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey
Tbf how long does a type of music need to exist before it becomes part of the traditional fabric of the country? Rebetico is certainly more of a newcomer compared to the traditional folk music of mainland Greece, however it does use a lot of elements from the folk music and dance of the Greeks of Asia Minor (Turkey) and some of the islands, utilising zembekiko, hasapiko and tsiftetelia rythmes and dances. Rebetico also fits perfectly with the urban theme of the video. 👍😊
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I’m a Greek that lives abroad and you made me miss home! Amazing video!
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The Greek music is so rich and it has several genres, starting from the rich traditional music, on to rebetika and, since you mentioned Smyrna, we have "smyrneika" which is worth listening to and notice the influence on rebetika, then on to "laika" which is the music that combines bouzouki with other instruments as well and develops the genre. There is also the European influence in the mid 20th century where we have the "evropaika" with big orchestras and some important singers, and all this before we get to Theodorakis and Hatzidakis and all the other major composers who made internationally famous the Greek music. Of course, the journey continues with "entechno" and so much more. I really enjoyed the video, great job showing different aspects of the city.
Thinking that there is no other music than Zorba in Greece, is like thinking that there is no other food than Souvlaki (gyro) and tzatziki.
Bouzouki is not even a Greek instrument, but something relevant with Minor Asians just as the fast food gyro is. Souvlaki is Greek food and its meat on a stick, so the "()" as gyro with souvlaki are irrelevant as well. It is also basically Minor Asians who call gyro as "souvlaki" - and that started in Athens.
Zorba is totally irrelevant with Northern Hellenic music, which is based on everything from clarinet, lute, gaida, accordion, specific timpanis etc.
@@aetherion7 Ι think this video is about music created and played in Greece by Greek musicians. Origin of instruments is a different and quite complicated matter. The same applies to food in the Balcan/Asia Minor vicinity.
@@aetherion7For me, traditional Greek music is Ipirotiko haha. The wailing crying clarinet and the def. The stuff shown here is something foreign to Epirus. Greek music has more variety than most give credit for
@@artemisrafti3956 NAI....V.I.C....ολο το ηπειρωτικο μεγαλειο...των βουνων...[με πιο ροκ διαθεση]...!
Man are you for real? You are such a talent. Thank you for putting your heart into showing our heart! ♡
Wow thank you! It is my pleasure showing the beauty of Greece 🙏
I dont often comment on RUclips ! But your research around Athens through those videos is amazing ! Thank you for showing the true and romantic side of Athens and Greece!
That really means a lot!! 🙌 I appreciate you watching this documentary series!
Man, from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for visiting our country. I hope you had a great time here and met good people along the way.
I really did have a wonderful time. It’s always a pleasure visiting Greece 🙏
To experience Greek music you have to also go to a Epirus Panigiri and see how in some ways they still influence today's music because in them panigiris the music of the people made by the people in the past is played
Very nice videos!! About Greek music, the "classic" traditional Greek music is just the folklore traditional Greek music which is the evolution of Byzantine music. Sounds a bit "oriental" because the Byzantine music is also technically the base of Ottoman, Arab and Balkan music or at least in the case of Arabic music perhaps influenced heavy by Byzantine music and not exactly based on.
Tourists have almost no idea about folklore traditional Greek music.
Rebetika and bouzoukia style in general Greek music is more "modern" traditional Greek music, exist about last two centuries.
Including myself, I really don’t know much about classic Greek folk music. I may need to do a follow up video about it.
Rebetiko is the sound that most of the world would recognize as “Greek music”
@@UrbanistExploringCities Rebetiko is probably the newest of the traditional sounds of Greece or the most Urban one. Real Greek traditional music is found more in the countryside or the islands and it's quite a different planet, it's as rural folk as it gets
Wonderful episode! Loved learning about the history of the song Misirlou , the Rebetika musicians, and the bouzouki!!
Thank you WoW.. I learn soo much about modern Greece.. real very interesting ...
Your documentaries keep making me re-appreciate my country and culture ❤
Athens is a lively city, because the Greeks have vitality in them. A city with a history of at least 2,500 years, with a unique people that stands out in all situations of life, with its good and its bad.
Try neolithic period.
@@amalialovesicecream No, we like the paleolithic period. We give you the Neolithic..
@@skittlezz5727 Talk about old; I didn't want to go there, but the Athenians fought the Atlateans at some point in the past.
Hey Ariel, you haven't even scratched the surface of greek music, but you are going to be awarded the Athenian citizenship by the Mayor for sure! 😂
These are the children of DIONYSIS!
Love the Greek music❤
Moving to Athens next month, I spent the last summer all over Greece, Turkey and Israel. Yours videos are awesome. It helps me a lot to understand the very ground of the country
26:54 Wildly inaccurate. It is highly unlikely that human sacrifice in ancient Greece was ever a common practice. It was extremely rare (and even that is debated by some historians) and was certainly considered an abhorrent and barbaric act by the classical period (5th and 4th century BC).
Yep, there are plenty of ancient writers talking shit about the barbarians and their practice of human sacrifice.
Wow, the first channel that presented the real and authentic Greek music and spent some time to show its history!!!! Very nice video, well done!!!!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the kind thanks!! So glad you enjoyed the video!
Ooooh, I really enjoyed this. Thank you for bringing memories of Greece back to me ♥ At 22:00 reminds me of a couple of greek arrangements I've been so lucky to attend. The music, the people, the FOOD and that atmosphere is just so special. It warms my heart. 😊💙
My pleasure! And I love how Greeks party, it’s so awesome
My lovely country 🇬🇷💙🤍
Ubsolutely interesting ,good local music, and some well known music creators as Xatzidakis,Theodorakis( you can google about them),Tsitsanis ,and others,from older times...Of course modern sounds too.
Really enjoyed this episode, I really need to make visiting Athens a priority.
Well that's what you get when you dig deep instead of strolling around the tourist places and post superfluous video reviews about any city like so many others! It takes time and energy but when you truly get it it feels so rewarding! Congrats
My dear man. I stumbled on your channel, and I have to say, Bravo! I'm so happy you covered Rebetiko!
You nailed it man.
The best soul searching video depiction of modern Athens and the soul of the Athenians that make it what it is.
I do not understand how you got so deep.
Beautiful preparation exceptional presentation.
Excellent. Ty.
(A word of warning though.... There is a virous on the lose that creeps under your skin and hooks you to the place forever. I am a victim of that lool)
That means so much! I got so deep by pure happenstance, meeting one person led to meeting more. And I came across topics that aren’t so well known by foreigners (like Rebetiko, the events of the Civil War, the architectural history) that really illuminated me about Greek culture 🙏
Brilliant 👏 Ariel and team so enjoyed 🌟 🎶
Actually, rebetico is not the traditional music of Greece, rather it's an urban style music that developt in the beginnings of 20th century in Athens, Piraeus, Thessaloniki and Smyrna, just like you talk about in the video. The traditional Greek music, is more connected with nature and themes about the mountains, the trees, the sea, the fields and every day life, work, struggles and love affairs of the people of the countryside. The instruments are also different. For example, the king of the instruments in most of mainland Greece is the clarinet while in the islands, is the violin. In Crete and some of the Dodecanese islands, it's the lyra and in Thrace and some areas of Macedonia it's the cavali, the lyra and bagpipes, witch are also very popular in many islands. In the Ionian islands, witch the Italian influence was bigger, they play mandolins, mandolas and guitars. In northern Greece brass instruments are very popular, due to the influence the region has, from neighbor Balkan countries and then there's the traditional music of the Anatolian and Pontic refuges, witch has a lot in common with Turkish music and uses a lot of similar instrument like the oud, the kemence, the canun etc. In fact the rebetico style was heavily influenced by this kind of Anatolian, (Asian minor mostly), tradition, since many of the poor, working class people in the ports and the outskirts of cities, where Anatolian refuges. The buzuki descends from the tamburi and the bozuk, (a Turkish instrument), witch was two instruments played mostly solo, from the outlaws in the mountains and in the islands, all throughout the Balkans and Turkey, with different variations in each region. The instrument, suited perfectly with the bohemian life style of the outlaws in the new, growing, urban centers and ports of the country, but in most of Greece, the lute is actually the most popular string traditional instrument.
Παρουσιάζεις την ελληνική μουσική ως ένα αποτέλεσμα επιρροών από γειτονικές της χώρες και μόνο. Αλλού τουρκική επιρροή, αλλού βαλκανικές επιρροές κι αλλού ιταλική. Δεν είναι έτσι!
@@Κάτια-ψ5ξ καμιά σχέση μ' αυτό που λέω. Εγώ λέω ότι η Ελληνική παραδοσιακή μουσική είναι διαφορετική απ' το ρεμπέτικο ως προς τα όργανα, το ύφος και την θεματολογία Κι απλά λέω πως το ύφος και τα όργανα σε κάποιες περιοχές, Μακεδονία, Μικρά Ασία και Πόντος, έχουν επηρεαστεί από γειτονικές παραδόσεις. Όχι πως όλη η παραδοσιακή μουσική είναι επηρεασμένη από αυτές. Και αυτό κατά την γνώμη μου ισχύει και δεν είναι κακό. Γι' αυτό η παραδοσιακή μας μουσική είναι τόσο πλούσια σε σχέση με άλλες.
@@Feon83 Το ρεμπέτικο και η λαϊκή μουσική συγκαταλέγονται στην ελληνική παραδοσιακή μουσική που έχει ως βάση τη βυζαντινή εκκλησιαστική και τη βυζαντινής λαϊκή μουσική.Τα όργανα όμως είναι αραβικής και περσικής προέλευσης. Στα Ιόνια νησιά, η μουσική έχει όντως επιρροές από την ιταλική μουσική αλλά στην υπόλοιπη Ελλάδα ο αυλός π.χ. έχει αρχαιοελληνική προέλευση και πολλά στοιχεία μπορεί να προέρχονται από αρχαία Ελλάδα.
@Feon83 What is Turkish and what is ottoman ? Is what is ottoman always Turkish? No. Ottoman culture comes from all the peoples of the Empire. Bouzouki works with semi-tones which is western music. It's largely influenced by western instruments. The name does not explain what bouzouki is. And all tambouras were not Turkish. In Greek tamboura is a family of instruments. We can find the word thamboura even in middle ages Digenis Akritas poems. Unfortunately it is know that history is written by the winner, the rich and the powerful. And Greek history, including Greek music history, is mainly influenced by wester scholars and Turkish scholars. It is a colonized history and many Greek scholars still have the mindset of the colonized.
Δεν υπάρχει όργανο μποζουκ. Στα τούρκικα σημαίνει χαλασμένο- ξεκούρδιστο. Και θα συμφωνήσω με την προηγούμενη απάντηση που λέει για το σάζι- ταμπουρά ότι δεν μπορεί να ονομαστεί τουρκικής προέλευσης, όπως δε θα το ονόμαζα προσωπικά ούτε ελληνικής. Πρόκειται για όργανα συνδεδεμένα περισσότερα με γεωγραφικές περιοχές παρά με εθνικότητες
Another outstanding episode!
Yay!! So glad you enjoyed!
You've come long ways since i watched your first tiktok about Thessaloniki. Keep up your great work buddy.
Thanks man!
This episode was fast paced without being overwhelming (well, all of them have been thus far). Fun episode!
Oooh that’s so good to hear. Because initially we were tempted to edit this docuseries at a breakneck pace like my short videos but then we decided to embrace the slow moments, but just enough to make you feel like you are going on a fun journey
This is an engaging and entertaining episode. Loved it! Great job.
👍🏻😃 Have really been enjoying this series. Love the music; I remember the gal dancing, so much fun. 😊
Im Arab. We have Greek influence in our music. But it depends. You will find more Greek influence in old Eastern Roman empire ( Egypt Syria Lebanon). Especially if these regions historically or presently have Christian Arabs ( Orthodox ect Syriac). Because influence took place when Christianity spread from semites ( Syriac) to Greeks. Then ottoman empire adopted Byzantine style and spread it further even to Tunisia. So I'm Moroccan and we don't have much eastern Mediterranean influence in music ( not much Byzantine not much ottoman) but starting from Tunisia East you notice. Alexandria Smyrna İstanbul. Often one song one melody and lyrics in Arabic Greek and Turkish songs 200 years old
Loving all the episodes of this series! Wonderful job again Ariel!
Thank you, Emelie!! So happy you are! I’m stunned by how many people are demanding Thessaloniki in other comments 😂
@@UrbanistExploringCities I've seen that also 😂
Well I think it's time that you get the hint and come here. Thessaloniki is waiting for you!
This type of Bouzouki-based music is not the traditional music of the Greeks. It is a part of the tradition, that came a bit later, in the start of the 20th century, after the Greeks of Smyrni in Asia Minor were persecuted by the Turks and fled in Athens and Peireus. It was born in this underground cast of people that lived out of the law mostly. As you mentioned this group of Greeks brought this bouzouki/rebetiko music with them and later it became popular and evolved in different forms that it exists today. However, the Greek folklore music is not this one, but it is the one played with instruments such as the traditional balkan clarinet, with traditional drums or with various kinds of string and bow intruments (lyra) or evens some types of bagpipe instuments. It is danced usually in circles with traditional costumes and there are various kinds of this traditional music styles, different for every part of Greece, Crete, mountains of Eperus, Macedonia, Thace, Thessaly, Aegean islands, Pontos Greeks, etc. This is the true, original traditional Greek music. Rebetico and bouzouki came later.
Yea I realized that should have shown very traditional Greek folk music so people can get a sense of how it compares to Rebetiko. Maybe next time, if I do another series in Thessaloniki! ;)
let's not forget that many Asia Minor refugees went to Thessaloniki as well, actually have the city is inhabited by Minor Asian Greeks. Also north Greece in general has many asia minor greeks
Another great episode!Well done Ariel!!
You really found a great place that captured the vibe and the essence of greek music culture and celebration with rempetiko .
Ναι ναι ναι υπάρχει κι άλλη μουσική !!! Τά ... παιδιά τού Πειραιά !!!!😂😂😂
A Greek motto is "hope dies last". I think that keeps us looking forward for the light at the end of the tunnel ❤
This was a great series ! Would be awesome to see more of neighbouring nations!
Hello from over cast rainy Staten Island 😍😍😍🥰
Just to know : in Greece nobody ever listens to Zorba and nobody says "opa!"
Everybady say opa in Greece but nobady really listen Zorba
I say opa ten times a day at least. About Zorba you're right though
This was a fun watch!
I've been only one year in Athens, and it's crazy to think I've been there, amazing indeed, specially at night.
i was homesick and just searched athens on youtube..i have been binging your content since...
There are cities built by the human spirit and there are cities built to tame the human spirit. Athens is certainly the first
Let's vacation abroad this year, 2024. Happy weekend everyone 🤠🙏
Hello from NJ
You and Markos seem compatible! ;)
Zorba is closer to Italian music because this style of music comes from corfu wich was ruled by Italia for a long time. But traditional greek music is way more than that. There is Cretan, island music, rumeliotica and many more. All of them would sound more oriental to westerners because we were the original creators of oriental music and you can understand that by listening to early byzantine chants
Kinda hated the title but ended up lovingthe video i realized i gotta sit down and talk w a person older than me maybe a bouzouktzi, whos a music lover and a convo with him will be a lil history class
Great video!
We should think of rebetiko music more as urban music than traditional. Even if its morphology has roots in Asia Minor traditional music, it's mostly at the same music family as rap and first hip-hop. All these types became at some time commercial but they have roots in poor societies that talk about losses and difficulties
My friend (i think your name is Ariel 😅) I am wathcing your series about Athens and they so interesting! I've heard things about the city that i hadn't thought of! Keep up the nice work! I would like to ask a question. What is the name of the rooftop (with Acropolis view) you went? Thank you 😁😁
Yes, my name is Ariel. I’m so happy you’re enjoying the series! The rooftop is 360 Cocktail Bar in Monastiraki
@@UrbanistExploringCities Thanks a lot mate!! You show a different aspect of the city that, some of us, leaving mainly in the suburbs, don't get to see that much! Enjoy your stay, if you are still here 😍
The most famous Folk Greek song is called " Ιτιά ιτιά "
How would you say Athens compares to other historic Mediterranean cities such as Lisbon or Malaga? Is it similar in atmosphere? I just love historical cities with a modern twist, I am looking to retire in one.
Same vibes with Lisbon, but Lisbon is objectively beautiful city
I have really enjoyed your Athen series next level compared to your previous work. Great stuff! Now I really want to go back to Athena, I haven’t been there for over 20 years (back then it was rather scruffy and uninteresting).
Now a suggestion/request: you should head to Belgrade. It’s even more of a mess of a city than Athens and has been bombed to smithereens several times. Just like Athens it has received a lot of refugees, in the 1990s from Bosnia and Croatia and now from Ukraine and Russia. There is a crumbling old town, 1970s brutalist New Belgrade and now a new Belgrade by the river skyscraper development funded by Gulf money. Go, it’s a kind of rough merger of Athens and Berlin minus the hipster tourist crowds (for now).
💙🤍🎶🇬🇷🎶🤍💙
It always upsets me to see beautiful Greece covered in graffiti in different parts of the city. This is a newer phenomenon and some people may embrace it, but I prefer to remember Greece before the spray can revolution really exploded. It just seems dirty to me for a country with such natural beauty.
It's a pity that you didn't find Avli open. Would have loved to see your reaction.
It is very difficult for a non greek person to realise the amount of art and culture still produced in Greece in 20th century and today , not only in music but in poetry (2 Nobel prises) , painting and elsewhere. Unfortunately the greek language is no longer a universal language like in antiquity, otherwise many people would be amazed and benefited...
Some of the best cuisines? 😂 Every year we fight with the Italians for first place worl wide......l never watch episodes on my Country for the obvious reasons...just cant catch the true meaning of Greece, Greeks you have done a great job and kept me watching all the episodes ;
I hope you do this for all your future adventures 👍🏻
Thing with places like Klimataria, is that they were made for low income workers, and due to overtourism, which likes those places just because they're "original" they get gentrified, and start being accessible only to medium-high class. So they stop being original, locals stop going there as they find less appeal, theyre become more expensive, and less original. They become the opposite of what tourists want, due to over-tourism.
Hellenic music is much, MUUUUUUCH more than Zorba!
This is not even the 0.01% of our music culture!
thought te question was gonna be "where should i buy a house to move over permanently?" 😄
Lol that was definitely another question I had in mind 😂
@@UrbanistExploringCities prolong your stay and also try the islands. go off-season
ikaria
ithaki
chios
crete
rhodos
or smaller cities and villages in the mountains (gianenna - larissa - patra - sparta - levadia).
each place has different cousine, dances, mentality etc
athens is nice for vacation (or weekends) but not for work (its hectic).
@@Nikosk00 hey Nikos! I have videos already of Ikaria, Crete, and Sparta! Check them out :) but yea can’t wait to return for Chios, Rhodes, and other places
Explore Exarcheia!
, Plateia Exarcheion, so forth :--)
Why, because Hellenes are vibrante
True
wow 8:09 now that is a quote
If you don't travel to the countryside mainland Greece or islands, you haven't listen almost nothing about Greek music, but only the 10% of it. The summertime "panigyri" (pronounced as "paniyiri") traditional festivals, are the only way to meet the more ancient LOCAL, pure music. Go to Ikaria island. Go to Amorgos island. Go to Crete, to Karpathos island, to Epirus, to Roumeli, to the Peloponnese (mostly to the western and south parts). Go to central Macedonia to meet the Pontics in Kilkis town or in Thessaloniki and their traditional fests and then to Serres city surrounding area to listen to the local "zourna" more oriental sound style music. That's the reason i repeat again, you haven't heard almost nothing about that big treasure which called greek music. You just heard only the urban music. We are looking like as a whole continent of music traditions, although we are only a small country.
The Zourna is traditionally used in mainland Greek music too but they replaced it with the clarinet. Pontics still use the zourna but for some reason other Greeks abandoned this instrument.
@@dimitriosfilippis2655 I know that!!! The 80 to 90% of the mainland Greek county abandoned the zourna many decades ago.
I love your videos Ariel but if I can give you some positive feed back. You need to slow your speech down just a tad bit. It feels a bit rushed on delivery. It's great to have excitement but there's points where it's a bit hard to follow. There's parts where your flow is beautiful when you engage the audience to tell background and tell history but at other parts your introduction is very rushed to bring excitement and it's crushing the words together so fast what you're saying gets missed.
Yea 😅 I’ve gotten used to making short videos that had to be delivered fast. But that isn’t needed in these longer documentaries, so I appreciate the feedback 🙏
It is unbelievable how the Greeks can survive after the economic crisis and geopolitical tensions!! They remind me of the Israelis, but without the money!!😂💙💥
That's a very nice video Ariel! Here are just two different samples of Greek music among many throughout Greece :
ruclips.net/video/FG08nWmI9YA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/jMGbcYc9AVk/видео.html
Zorba is probably the least representative song for Greek traditional music , and yet it's the most famous.. It almost sounds Italian
Absolutely not.
@@vask3863 I will edit my comment to be more clear. Zorba is of course a modern Greek song. My point is that the use of major scales and harmonization techniques in "Zorba's Dance" aligns it with Western European music traditions. This is similar to the music of the Ionian Islands, which was heavily influenced by Venetian (Italian) rule, rather then the majority of Greek music which to western ears is more oriental sounding.
This music is a descendant of our medieval, Byzantine (east Roman)
i really do enjoy your documentaries but this one i found to be lackluster. Merely skirting the connecting dots and albeit i have understanding for your careful approach to the early 1920s events, it does not do the subject just.
Very nice episode, but there is a scientific mistake! Greek "are" ancient Greek evoluted and Latin is an ancient Greek dialect!
Come to the cultural capital of Greece, Thessaloniki!
Greece is not only the Athens, simply Athens is the capital of Greece nothing more
@princessgothicgirl1584 Athens is not just the capital of Greece is the cradle of western civilization,the city of the philosophers.So please, do me a small favor, and make some time in your itinerary to scratch the surface of this magnificent city.
~28:50 ...funny saying that in Athens of all Greek cities. Athens is our version of New York.
That guy didn't know anything about history. Greeks stopped sacrifice and gave food and inanimate object offerings hundreds of years before the Roman conquest and christianity was even a thought
Greece 🇬🇷 the old country with the non discipline people and the great mentality 💙🤍
"No discipline" is a very modern Greek problem. It's that what destroyed this country the last 30 years..
Keep to architecture, please. This video was extremely boring, not to mention the guy who tried to explain to you parts of ancient culture was plainly ridiculous.
Freeing your subconscious musically is not necessarily artistic!!
In a few years... no more than 5... Athens will be like Kabul, Islamabad etc... This was your last chance to live a semi european Athens that is dying under the hijab...
Christian mythology???? Christ is the true vine, there is no other. Greece is an Orthodox Christian country.
Not proper to call Athens ugly in your video. It's obvious you haven't explored enough. Thanks for the video anyway.
stay away from bouzouki at all costs!
why?
You might hate it and it's ok.
Other people might like it.
18:19 The Greeks of Asia Minor did not come to mainland Greece because Smyrni burned down. I wonder whether ignorance or malignant purpose made the creator say that. They came because of the population exchange agreement between Greece and Turkey, that was the last nail in the coffin of Greek presence in Asia Minor. It follows a very long series of genocidal actions against the Christian populations of the Ottoman Empire (Armenians suffered genocide as well), of which the burning of Smyrni was just one of many events. The most common estimates for Greeks killed in Asia Minor from 1914 to 1923 range from 300,000 to 900,000. At 1923, with the population exchange agreement, 1.2 million Greeks left their ancestral lands for ever to come to mainland Greece. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey
None of the music in this episode is 'traditional' music in the strictest sense.
Thats exactly the point 😉
Tbf how long does a type of music need to exist before it becomes part of the traditional fabric of the country? Rebetico is certainly more of a newcomer compared to the traditional folk music of mainland Greece, however it does use a lot of elements from the folk music and dance of the Greeks of Asia Minor (Turkey) and some of the islands, utilising zembekiko, hasapiko and tsiftetelia rythmes and dances. Rebetico also fits perfectly with the urban theme of the video. 👍😊