So I'm playing Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze right now.... I honestly have to stop and say the game is ABSOLUTELY flipping AMAZING. It was literally worth buying the Wii U just for this game.. The music... Such nostalgia.. Brings me back to my childhood playing the SNES Donkey Kong Country's..... Holy crap, BUY THIS NOW..
@@cakesanic2276 my friend works in retro. You don’t have to believe me but they said they would like too. But they are focusing on something else at the moment. You are probably shocked that I replied to you since this post was made 8 months ago. I’m active in RUclips.
Yeah we have the die hard metroid fans to thank for that. Now that they have an upcoming metroid game coming up hopefully they won't harass retro studio and let them make the games they want to make.
I'd personally rather own these gems on my wii u vs the switch. Mostly for nostalgia purposes but honestly lots of games on wii u jusy play better with the second screen
This game is still one of the most beautiful, colorful, and relaxing games I’ve ever played. The music is absolutely awesome, sometimes when I’m outside I listen to either the first world or the fourth one. Really hope another DKC will be announced in the future, but I am happy this got ported to the switch.
I remember when I first saw this, I thought it was just gonna be a Returns rehash. Oh, how wrong I was. This is one of the most amazing games on the Wii U. It really has the feel of the original trilogy, probably partly because of David Wise.
Got the Nintendo Selects version about a week ago and am going to start it after work tonight. Had a blast getting 200% in Returns, can't wait to do it with this one!
Donkey Kong Country Returns was to me the BEST PLATFORMER I'VE EVER PLAYED! Yes, I've said that, I'm sorry but I loved it, it' so fresh, replayable and tons of collectables fun and perfect platforming!
I just dropped by to say that if you have Wii U but not this game, you should be ashamed of yourself. This game is phenomenal, music is gorgeus, graphics are over the top beautiful but most importantly: DKC: Tropical Freeze will challenge you. This game is pretty brutal. I still see nightmares about Bopopolis.
+Hudesko damn right. best platformer on wii u by far and 3rd best plat former i ever played. died so many times on this game... and this pails in difficulty to other dk country games since they lessened the barrels and made the carts easier
+Hudesko Haha! Bopopolis! When I conquered that stage, it became my go-to stage to get lives. The part with the giant wheels with enemies on them, plus preferrably being a Kong that can hover, you move from one enemy to another and watch the lives flow. :D Don't hate Bopopolis. Love Bopopolis. xD
This game is wonderful, everything about it makes for a fun and unique experience. The level design is almost as gorgeous to look as it is to play through. Every level is so fun and has fun gimmicks. The boss battles are somewhat challenging but very good, and the music is so good. It doesnt matter if you buy this game on Wii U or Switch, but I highly recommend this game to anyone that hasnt played it.
I haven't played Donkey Kong since the old black and white gameboy. Watching this looks amazing! It brings back memories from my childhood and looks great in colour!!
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (2014) is one of the most greatest video games of all time due to it's fun, inventive, mind-blowing, exciting, thrilling, and challenging gameplay, graphics, and levels. It was decent. To this day I still play it and I consider it a classic. It never gets old.😍😎💯👍
Nintendo needs to keep the flow of games to keep the Wii U from being irrelevant. This is coming February, Mario Kart in Spring, Smash Bros SHOULD come in during Summer, and a new Metroid or Zelda for the Fall season. I hope there isn't a huge gap from Mario Kart to Smash, because that would kill all the hype right there. If I was management at Nintendo, I would do things so differently...
I seriously CAN NOT WAIT for this game! I love the Wii version, and thought it was one of the best continuations of a franchise ever! Buy this game people, to ensure quality game makers like this keep releasing great games!
I've heard a million N64-era gamers weeping for something wonderful apparently missing from "the Nintendo of today". Am I the only one who doesn't see eye-to-eye with them * points at the above trailer *.
It's games like this that make me thankful this whole "sidescrolling platformers are outdated" era really didn't last much longer than a decade or so. In fact, with games like Donkey Kong Country Returns, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Rayman Origins, Rayman Legends, Wario Land the Shake Dimension, Mega Man 9 and 10, the New Super Mario Bros. games and many more, I would say the sidescrollers are where most of the platform genre's quality titles are found these days. Even on home consoles. Nintendo, UbiSoft, Capcom, everybody seems to be doing old-school platformers again ever since New SMB was such a succes on DS about halfway through the previous decade. And then there are many indie developers on places like Steam who create some fantastic stuff. And many of the old classics are available again thanks to Eshop, PSN and other services. Still love this genre just as much as I did 20 years ago.
This song is actually originally from the first Donkey Kong Country game, it played in most of the first few levels. From then on it became a staple in the series.
Only if they do the banana collecting thing better. I can understand switching to different Kongs to grab bananas in places you couldn't reach, but not being able to pick up a banana because it's not your color? That didn't sit right with me.
What I don't understand is how Nintendo can add variety and soul to all their games EXCEPT the main Super Mario titles, because this is just beautiful.
David Mendieta Yeah, I honestly think that IF a new Country game will be made (which will be off course since it'a a new trilogy) the next one will be the last DKC game. This is because I don't think Nintendo is about to make many DKC games like they did with Mario. We only have 5 DKC games in 20 years and look how many Mario games...
I never missed the aquatic levels in DKCR, the game seemed amazing without them. But seeing them here really makes me remember how amazing they were in the original DKC games and want to seem them return.
pass on this. wasn't impressed with DKCR and not really looking into buying a WiiU for a select few titles for the system. if nintendo wants to keep up in the market then they they should probably put their titles on cross platforms. I mean come on, Ocarina of Time on PS4 *cough Darksiders* would have been sick and would probably sell millions!
This game still isn't as good as any of the orignal 3 of the snes. They don't even have kremlins or king k. rool. It's too different. Also the graphics for DKC on the SNES at the time were mind blowing.. These are mediocre for its time.
I played and beat the one on the wii and didn't like it because of the motion controls for rolling, lack of kremlins, lack of king. k rool. Music without David Wise, etc. It didn't feel like ANY of the original 3 IMO. I beat all 3 on the snes and the gba multiple times and Donkey Kong Country was the first game I ever owned when it came out in 1994. Also why would anyone get this game for a reason other than nostalgia?! I've been waiting for a true sequel to DKC3 for SO long.. Just as I'm waiting for a true sequel to Banjo Tooie.
Well those things are good. I still wish they would add Kremlins and K. Rool though. They make THAT much of a difference to me. They were a huge part of the story and the main enemy. When I dreamed of a DKC4 in the future I thought the graphics would look more like how the graphics are on Rayman Origins. There's other little things too that take some appeal away. I really wish the original DKC games were as modded as super mario world. By the way I think NSMB and 3d world did a great job at capturing nostalgia yet bringing in new players. Same with the new Killer Instinct. Oh, and I don't think these new DK games are bad, they just don't meet my expectations or giving me classic DK feel that I thought they would. I'm still gonna buy this game, id be stupid not to.
***** I enjoyed NSMBU and then came along Super Mario 3D World and it just blows every past Mario game away. It is well streamlined the way you can navigate around the map, the creativity and fun of each stage, the controls, power-ups, graphics, just wide range of different styles of stages and it is great as both single player and with up to 4 players. The MiiVerse integration is also top notch. Everything about SM3DW is just excellent. So by that standard, to me this new DK game looks pretty lame. The graphics look dull, the gameplay and level designs looks more tedious than ingenious. It is clearly a different type of game and I have not seen anything in the DK trailers about MiiVerse integration or how you navigate between levels. I hoping that it is at least an 8/10 game.
I love Donkey Kong Country games,this game mario kart8,Zelda RPG,New super Mario Bros Wii u are also reasons why i bought a Wii U.This peoples who thinking thats a bad Console,should toldme which Games on other Systems the same sucess have !^^
I wasn't at first interested in the Wii U but since all of the new game releases they have announced I am definitely getting one :). Donkey Kong Country is without a doubt one of the greatest video game series of all time!
The one thing I look forward to at the beginning of every Donkey Kong game is shaking the remote to beat up a bad guy, then jump out and start the level!
So I'm playing Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze right now.... I honestly have to stop and say the game is ABSOLUTELY flipping AMAZING. It was literally worth buying the Wii U just for this game.. The music... Such nostalgia.. Brings me back to my childhood playing the SNES Donkey Kong Country's..... Holy crap, BUY THIS NOW..
Is it as hard as the oldschool ones? I remember DKReturns being well done too but fairly easy compared to DK2 or 3
i will get a wii u for donkey kong tropical freeze and pikmin 3 but mostly donkey kong tropical freeze
Tey Tagiyev Were we playing the same game? DKCR is infinitely harder than the SNES trilogy.
WouldNotPokeThat Yeah especially those orbs that you had to collect for the golden banana temple, I only got three LOL
in the smash trailer i saw kremlings
One of the best games ever. I really hope Retro is making another DKC
Imagine this donkey Kong country tropical typhoon
@@icantthinkofanoriginalname7818 donkey kong island gets hit by a hurricane and everyone dies
Yes they are they said they want to experiment more with the animal friends.
@@RetroLiminal99444 where did you see that ?
@@cakesanic2276 my friend works in retro. You don’t have to believe me but they said they would like too. But they are focusing on something else at the moment. You are probably shocked that I replied to you since this post was made 8 months ago. I’m active in RUclips.
It's now been 8 years since this.
And it's still the newest standalone Donkey Kong game.
You haven't been in a DK game in ages Kiddy Kong!
Yeah we have the die hard metroid fans to thank for that. Now that they have an upcoming metroid game coming up hopefully they won't harass retro studio and let them make the games they want to make.
@@blitzgaming9561 wtf are you talking about
@Thatitalianlameguy can you not read? Because if you can then you would know exactly what I'm talking about.
@@thatitalianlameguy2235this game was slammed for not being a Metroid game
The Wii U was full of gems like this! Truly, an amazing console.
I'd personally rather own these gems on my wii u vs the switch. Mostly for nostalgia purposes but honestly lots of games on wii u jusy play better with the second screen
Retro brought back Metroid and made it awesome.
Retro brought back DKC and made it awesome.
Retro...bring back Star Fox!!
Wait, Miyamoto-san, what are you doi- No that doesnt belong to you-MIYAMOTO NOO DONT TOUCH IT
*And F-Zero
@@DekuStickGamer I mean didn't he like, made it or something
This game is still one of the most beautiful, colorful, and relaxing games I’ve ever played.
The music is absolutely awesome, sometimes when I’m outside I listen to either the first world or the fourth one.
Really hope another DKC will be announced in the future, but I am happy this got ported to the switch.
The inclusion of dixie and cranky was smart
I remember when I first saw this, I thought it was just gonna be a Returns rehash. Oh, how wrong I was. This is one of the most amazing games on the Wii U. It really has the feel of the original trilogy, probably partly because of David Wise.
+Natok the Dragon [PresStarToPlay] What... he's back? Sweet !
Yep! I'd say this is the best he's composed so far.
I agree. Best Donkey Kong Country game EVER!!!!!!!!!!! 😊👌👍😉
I'm not sure if I'd say it's better than DKC2, but it's still really damn good.
***** Yep, agreed
Got the Nintendo Selects version about a week ago and am going to start it after work tonight. Had a blast getting 200% in Returns, can't wait to do it with this one!
Donkey Kong Country Returns was to me the BEST PLATFORMER I'VE EVER PLAYED! Yes, I've said that, I'm sorry but I loved it, it' so fresh, replayable and tons of collectables fun and perfect platforming!
Agreed!!!! It's truly one of the best platformers of all time, along with Rayman Legends.
There. I said it.
I just dropped by to say that if you have Wii U but not this game, you should be ashamed of yourself. This game is phenomenal, music is gorgeus, graphics are over the top beautiful but most importantly: DKC: Tropical Freeze will challenge you. This game is pretty brutal. I still see nightmares about Bopopolis.
It was the first WiiU game I ever bought (Except Nintendo Land, that came bundled.)! And, I agree, Bopopolis was nightmare fuel.
+Hudesko damn right. best platformer on wii u by far and 3rd best plat former i ever played. died so many times on this game... and this pails in difficulty to other dk country games since they lessened the barrels and made the carts easier
+Hudesko Haha! Bopopolis! When I conquered that stage, it became my go-to stage to get lives. The part with the giant wheels with enemies on them, plus preferrably being a Kong that can hover, you move from one enemy to another and watch the lives flow. :D
Don't hate Bopopolis. Love Bopopolis. xD
merci
+epicanime009 For the sake of curiosity, what are the 2 best plattformers in your opinion?
one of the most underrated games ever we need a sequel
Too many bananas
4/10
-IGN
Orange Inkling Well, Gamespot did dishonestly give it a 6/10
5.5/10
It's now 9/10 in IGN
UTubeStar91 id rate it 10/10
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Today it's been exactly 10 years since this trailer was released and no new DK games yet! Please Nintendo, we need a new Donkey Kong game!
At the end when it says only on Wii U my mom walked in and asked if there is an ape in my room XD
Hahahahaha 😂
Can't wait to get this on the Switch!
Nintendo gods. Please give us another Donkey Kong game on the Wii U.
If Retro makes another Donkey Kong game, the Metroid community will rage.
They already are raging
+theRagingNacho another DKC-esque game or are we talking like DK 64 style?
im all for either one
MasterRJ As long the DK64 like one doesn't suck...
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I have a ps4 but will buy a wii U if this game is bundled in, make it happen Nintendo..
New Donkey Kong Country game for the Switch please.
This game is wonderful, everything about it makes for a fun and unique experience. The level design is almost as gorgeous to look as it is to play through. Every level is so fun and has fun gimmicks. The boss battles are somewhat challenging but very good, and the music is so good. It doesnt matter if you buy this game on Wii U or Switch, but I highly recommend this game to anyone that hasnt played it.
This game just never gets boring
Because of this I ordered Wii U and I can't wait 'till the shipping is complete D:
I absolutely love this game, this was the reason to buy a WiiU
Hope they keep the DKC's coming! Return was awesome! I still play DKC 1,2,and 3 on my old wii. lol the best game ever!
I absolutely love the way the camera angle is set for this game. Adding that 3D is not only cool but also a plus for Nintendo. Great job man.
We NEED a NEW Donkey Kong game on the switch
Yeah
I really hope
Cangre Burguito hey
Cangre Burguito i think your wish got real
Lol
Nintendo make the most beautiful games.
Sniff sniff i am pso proud
i could take this game to another level ---I LOVE DONKEY KONG :)
this looks amazing
Honestly Nintendo rehashes are all I need to keep me happy with gaming forever.
I haven't played Donkey Kong since the old black and white gameboy. Watching this looks amazing! It brings back memories from my childhood and looks great in colour!!
I am so sad i never played this...never had wii u, so im hoping we get it to Nintendo Switch!
YESSSSS MY DREAM BECOMES REALITY AFTER 1 DAY!!! THANKS NINTENDO
Woah nice prediction lol
@@diddykong8756 Epic timing.
Dude, they improved the graphics so much, amazing improvement!!
Glorious 1080p
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (2014) is one of the most greatest video games of all time due to it's fun, inventive, mind-blowing, exciting, thrilling, and challenging gameplay, graphics, and levels. It was decent. To this day I still play it and I consider it a classic. It never gets old.😍😎💯👍
Donkey Kong is my homie.
best wii u game
Where has the time gone? I still jam out to its soundtrack
Out of curiosity, a show of thumbs, how many people are going "Bananas" about this game now?
It is time.
For 3 years I have had this game and my Wii U and after beating the game 3 years ago I still find enjoyment out of it
bro this announcement trailer is almost 10 years old
Nintendo needs to keep the flow of games to keep the Wii U from being irrelevant. This is coming February, Mario Kart in Spring, Smash Bros SHOULD come in during Summer, and a new Metroid or Zelda for the Fall season. I hope there isn't a huge gap from Mario Kart to Smash, because that would kill all the hype right there. If I was management at Nintendo, I would do things so differently...
no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I seriously CAN NOT WAIT for this game! I love the Wii version, and thought it was one of the best continuations of a franchise ever! Buy this game people, to ensure quality game makers like this keep releasing great games!
Im a playstation fan a say Nintendo is Top make good games.
Same here, thanks to Nintendo for getting me into gaming!! First game console ever owned was a SNES.
Nintendo has always made good games since I have memory. I have compared Nintendo's games with games of other consoles and Nintendo has the best ones.
did you know the first ps is a nintendo console but they pulled out and sony want alone so suck ps fan boys
One of the best games ever created
This gives me goosebumps when the classic donkey kong theme plays! I can't wait for it to come out!
And now its gone from the e shop...
Can't wait!!!!
I'm such a huge fan of the Donkey Kong Country series. This looks awesome!
Is this music in the game? It was for e3 demos. Did they remove it?
No. The music is in the level 6-K Slippery Spikes
It's in some of the bonus levels
I've heard a million N64-era gamers weeping for something wonderful apparently missing from "the Nintendo of today". Am I the only one who doesn't see eye-to-eye with them * points at the above trailer *.
I can not wait for this game beautiful graffics, I'm getting this next week. (:
They should also make a sequel to donkey kong 64
That'd be awesome!
yessssssss
Want this game so BAD!!!!!!!
It's games like this that make me thankful this whole "sidescrolling platformers are outdated" era really didn't last much longer than a decade or so. In fact, with games like Donkey Kong Country Returns, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Rayman Origins, Rayman Legends, Wario Land the Shake Dimension, Mega Man 9 and 10, the New Super Mario Bros. games and many more, I would say the sidescrollers are where most of the platform genre's quality titles are found these days. Even on home consoles. Nintendo, UbiSoft, Capcom, everybody seems to be doing old-school platformers again ever since New SMB was such a succes on DS about halfway through the previous decade. And then there are many indie developers on places like Steam who create some fantastic stuff. And many of the old classics are available again thanks to Eshop, PSN and other services. Still love this genre just as much as I did 20 years ago.
Is Retro making a trilogy?
because, I'll die from excitement if Retro makes a full 3-D game plat-former like DK 64 :D
please no full 3d. DK for the 64 was garbage. Nothing beats the original 3.
does anyone notice the music is similar to the bonus room theme in Diddy's Kong-Quest (Thank you David Wise)
This song is actually originally from the first Donkey Kong Country game, it played in most of the first few levels. From then on it became a staple in the series.
It's jungle hyjinx or something like that.
I so agree!! im 36 and still love playing the wii U more than my other consoles
Nintendo please bring this game to the switch.
Christian Chavez pues ahi lo tienes :v alv
Please put donkey Kong country tropical freeze on the Nintendo switch
andrew southward Nintendo got your back :)
This was a fun and entertaining DK game
Love it
i love Nintendo
and now it is for the NINTENDO SWITCH
Seven years later still miss this
Donkey kong 64 sequel please
Only if they do the banana collecting thing better. I can understand switching to different Kongs to grab bananas in places you couldn't reach, but not being able to pick up a banana because it's not your color? That didn't sit right with me.
*****
Okay. :(
That was the worst donkey Kong county game!
I honestly think that Donkey Kong Country is way better Super Mario Bros. Just my opinion.
well it's true but they ARE BOTH Nintendo's vary 1ST characters while Luigi 1ST appeared back in Mario Bros. AFTER Donkey Kong in 1980
missing 1 fact that was donkey kongs grand father in 1980 cranky
What I don't understand is how Nintendo can add variety and soul to all their games EXCEPT the main Super Mario titles, because this is just beautiful.
where are the Kremlins? next game maybe? i miss them so much
Maybe there will be a Kremlin Revenge. Would be cool to see them return for the final game.
NeoSalvation "final game" ????
David Mendieta Yeah, I honestly think that IF a new Country game will be made (which will be off course since it'a a new trilogy) the next one will be the last DKC game. This is because I don't think Nintendo is about to make many DKC games like they did with Mario.
We only have 5 DKC games in 20 years and look how many Mario games...
we´ll wait for the final game..coming soon
David Mendieta I don't know. Maybe in 2016 or maybe the next console just like Mario.
I'm disappointed by the graphics. The wiiUcan do more
Can't wait for this game. I have every single Donkey Kong game for the consoles, I am more excited for this one than I was for DKC Returns.
NINTENDO SWITCH! DONKEY KONG !!!!! PLEASE!
Switch please
Moataz Seada now
ProGAMER Happy
I never missed the aquatic levels in DKCR, the game seemed amazing without them. But seeing them here really makes me remember how amazing they were in the original DKC games and want to seem them return.
Nentendo switch
THE BEST VERSION IS THE SNES
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+ERIC LIZAMA *Worst
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No, the worst version is Donkey Kong 64
EL VAGO DE OZ
Donkey Kong Country TP is equal to DKC 2
Can't wait for this game! The original DKC is one of my favourite games.
lol the switch trailer has more likes than this!
Bring back King K. Rool or gtfo
I'm really glad I bought a Wii U. So many great exclusives are on the way!
pass on this. wasn't impressed with DKCR and not really looking into buying a WiiU for a select few titles for the system. if nintendo wants to keep up in the market then they they should probably put their titles on cross platforms.
I mean come on, Ocarina of Time on PS4 *cough Darksiders* would have been sick and would probably sell millions!
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Lol go play another generic FPS game.
I want this version of the donkey theme it's so good :P gives me goose bumps
This game still isn't as good as any of the orignal 3 of the snes. They don't even have kremlins or king k. rool. It's too different. Also the graphics for DKC on the SNES at the time were mind blowing.. These are mediocre for its time.
I played and beat the one on the wii and didn't like it because of the motion controls for rolling, lack of kremlins, lack of king. k rool. Music without David Wise, etc. It didn't feel like ANY of the original 3 IMO. I beat all 3 on the snes and the gba multiple times and Donkey Kong Country was the first game I ever owned when it came out in 1994. Also why would anyone get this game for a reason other than nostalgia?! I've been waiting for a true sequel to DKC3 for SO long.. Just as I'm waiting for a true sequel to Banjo Tooie.
Well those things are good. I still wish they would add Kremlins and K. Rool though. They make THAT much of a difference to me. They were a huge part of the story and the main enemy. When I dreamed of a DKC4 in the future I thought the graphics would look more like how the graphics are on Rayman Origins. There's other little things too that take some appeal away. I really wish the original DKC games were as modded as super mario world. By the way I think NSMB and 3d world did a great job at capturing nostalgia yet bringing in new players. Same with the new Killer Instinct. Oh, and I don't think these new DK games are bad, they just don't meet my expectations or giving me classic DK feel that I thought they would. I'm still gonna buy this game, id be stupid not to.
***** I enjoyed NSMBU and then came along Super Mario 3D World and it just blows every past Mario game away. It is well streamlined the way you can navigate around the map, the creativity and fun of each stage, the controls, power-ups, graphics, just wide range of different styles of stages and it is great as both single player and with up to 4 players. The MiiVerse integration is also top notch. Everything about SM3DW is just excellent.
So by that standard, to me this new DK game looks pretty lame. The graphics look dull, the gameplay and level designs looks more tedious than ingenious. It is clearly a different type of game and I have not seen anything in the DK trailers about MiiVerse integration or how you navigate between levels. I hoping that it is at least an 8/10 game.
That's because RareWare made it. Retro is good to, but lets be honest here, retro can never top what rare was
Is it already clear that King Rool will not be the main enemy in this game?
Donkey Kong Country was my first ever video game. And my love has never been so strong
Wow this is gonna be one of my favorites
Very excited about this, and always happy to expand my Wii U library!
Totally picking this up when I get a Wii U.
Such an epic trailer...
I love Donkey Kong Country games,this game mario kart8,Zelda RPG,New super Mario Bros Wii u are also reasons why i bought a Wii U.This peoples who thinking thats a bad Console,should toldme which Games on other Systems the same sucess have !^^
I like the Funky Mode version of this old Wii U game for the Switch.
And one of the best debut trailers ever along with Transistor.
This music... Just gave me so many chills. Loving the soundtrack!
This is one of the reasons I bought a Wii U... We need more games like this one!
I wasn't at first interested in the Wii U but since all of the new game releases they have announced I am definitely getting one :). Donkey Kong Country is without a doubt one of the greatest video game series of all time!
RIP Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze on Wii U eShop 2014-2018
The one thing I look forward to at the beginning of every Donkey Kong game is shaking the remote to beat up a bad guy, then jump out and start the level!
awesome game. graphics, music, level design, everything is top notch!
Reliving good memories from childhood as an adult a good thing.
Wow this brought tears to my eyes. Nintendo does it again!
I didnt but it on Wii U but now i have it on Switch and Absolutly Love It! Worth the money, my favorite DKC🐵💌
Almost 5 years without a _new_ DK game. RIP Retro?