The Legend of the Edmund Fitzgerald: 20 years later | WTOL 11 Vault - Nov. 26, 1995
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- On November 10, 1975, the Great Lakes freighter Edmund Fitzgerald sank during a storm in Lake Superior taking with her the lives of all 29 men aboard.
Twenty years later, WTOL 11 anchor Jeff Heitz and photojournalist Paul Kwapich take us to Whitefish Point in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula to learn a bit more about the mysteries and theories behind the legend of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
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Back then as young Jamaican boy i was taken to this song haunting guitar riffs and the strange way the vocals sounds, i didn't understand what the song was about until today,Sunday October 13,2024, 50years after the tragedy,,it brought sadness to my heart,condolences to their families,
Thanks to Gardon Lightfoot, what a song,..I'm Bryan Harris from Jamaica
The presentation made it sound like the Coast Guard were the first out looking for the Edmund Fitzgerald. Actually, at the request of the Coast Guard, the Arthur M Anderson went back out into the storm after reaching Whitefish Bay along with another freighter, the William Clay Ford to look for survivors. Another reason the legend of the Edmund Fitzgerald lives on is that the Arthur M Anderson is still sailing the lakes and hauling cargo, a living reminder of that day in 1975.
What you said! I have gone down the rabbit hole big time since I recently found out about this. What you said goes exactly as my favorite video on it says too.
I've seen the Arther Anderson in person getting repairs in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. Still looks like a capable laker.
I’m from superior wi. Anderson is always in port still, she’s still chugging alone!
Along**
The Buchanans walked on board that ship. Loosen the hatch bolts. And left the vessel before the weather became severe. they were told the vessel contain Tanerite a natural explosive. Vessel was actually carrying taconite. The Buchanan were paid to destroy the vessel for insurance.
Thank you for sharing the pictures of this horrible story. I have always loved Gordon Lightfoots song about this and the Ship, the huge loss of life and the fact she has never been forgotten. Thank you again. RIP to all who were lost, may you never forget this Legacy.
I was six years old living in Pennsylvania and my dad worked at Bethlehem Steel when this happened. I remember there was a little bit of a fuss about what was on the news and even at that age I tried to understand what was happening but only decades later did I realize that my father was grieving for his fellow blue collar countrymen and their families 😢
I can’t even imagine how heartbreaking it has been for your dad. I have so much respect for people that do these kinds of work. To risk your life to support your family really makes me look at some people so differently. My condolences to your dad, and also your entire family. Just a terrible tragedy😢
The whole country mourned w/you 🇺🇸
I’m from Superior, WI. My dad worked for BNSF at that Taconite facility they left from. My grandfather passed and is at peace, weird how things kinda worked…
Sure matey, and Warnie was there too no doubt 🤔 🤣
I was just out of high school back then when this happened. The alloy, taconite pellets were supose to have been sent to my hometown of Midland, Pennsylvania to the Crucible steel mill. However, as all of you know, they never arrived due to the unfortunate sinking of the ore carrying ship the Edmund Fitzgerald. Another fact. I wanted to get a job working on a ore carrying ship and in the Great Lakes, however my parents wouldn't allow it and hampered my chance I almost did get in getting that job as I was unhappy working in a crummy, low waged job in a grocery store in Beaver, Pennsylvania, Beaver super market, hated that job, and wanted the job on the Great Lakes shipping region much more. Made me quite angry my parents interfered in my opportunity for a much better paying job.
Thank you for sharing this story.
The courage of our mariners/sailors is breathtaking. The Great Lakes are so dangerous.
I only just foubd out about this crazy story a few days ago, however im completely fascinated by it. I used to be a fisherman so these stories always interest me. Love the song as well. ❤ rip in peace to them all
This may seem obvious but then you must go and listen to Gordon Lightfoot's song and although most of it is understandable by listening get the lyrics online to follow along. I've listened to it hundreds of times and it's still difficult to listen to without crying.
The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald, Gordon Lightfoot. He tells the story. God bless his soul
@@claire33ist Exactly, since Gordon Meridith Lightfoot has since passed away himself in May 1st, 2023. He was, without a doubt one of the very finest Canadian singer/songwriters of our time. He maybe gone now, however his music and legacy will always live onward throughout eternally. Rest peacefully, Gordon Meridith Lightfoot, though your hands have grown still, your great mind of putting words together in always such a touching way and mannor, you will never be forgotten as to the gift of beautiful music you left behind in your time here on earth.
@ that’s absolutely beautiful to describe him and his music
Very nicely done. Bravo. Very respectful of the crew & their families. God bless them all. ♥️🙏♥️🙏♥️🙏 🫡 🇺🇸
Thanks for sharing this great presentation. I remember when they interviewed me way back in 1995. Good Job!
Glad to see you on there Capt Darrell!
I was 15 in 1975 when I'd read about it in the newspaper, back then the newspaper was a popular everyday thing, when Gordon wrote that song it became a huge hit and everyone heard of the Fitzgerald
R.I.P Ed mund Fitzgerald crew members. God Bless you.
My family and I visited the Shipwreck Museum at Whitefish Point in June of 2019. The bell from "The Fitz" is there. I was disappointed that the bell hadn't been left in it's original condition, but was polished, and the framework painted.
I like to think that their restoration of the bell and frame was done out of respect?
@JayYoung-ro3vu very possible. I would have preferred it to be displayed in its "as found" condition. Just my opinion!
@@zfactortedzabel9267 I can agree to your viewpoint. Have you ever seen a Titanic exhibit? Not one of those items are "as found". They have been conserved in some way. Polishing the bell and painting its frame could be seen similarly?
@JayYoung-ro3vu no. I haven't, but it doesn't surprise me that these have been cleaned for preservation. The majority of viewers probably prefer the new look.
Part of fhe problem with not preserving it is while underwater deterioration is very minimal. When you present it to air things deteriorate rapidly so to leave things "as found" wouldn't be feasible some kind of preservation is required.
I saw Big Fitz when I was five, in 1975, go through the Soo Locks…a few years later we saw the life boats, or what was left of them…something you never forget!
I think the families should appreciate the divers for visiting their dead relative’s graves.
Those 29 ordinary men have become the stuff of historical legends.
I’m still hoping they’ll find the Andrea Gail one day as well.
Today marks the 29th year since this episode first aired. It's been 49 years this month since the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. I only wonder how much longer it will be until this is either made into international history or it becomes a memoir passed into legend and forgotten over time. We'll never know for sure and the mystery will always remain. Those men knew that they were doomed and could do nothing about it. I can only imagine what terror was going through their minds at the time. It's truly sad to see this type of thing happen especially when there's nothing to be done about it. This is great loss in life and cargo as well as the ship itself.
Sadly, it has become a story that has faded back into history and not known much about. I work at a alloy plant and have dealt with many truck drivers who are from Canada, and some of them have never heard of the Edmund Fitzgerald nor of the song Gordon Meridith Lightfoot wrote, produced and performed in many of his concerts he has attended and gave this precious gift to the world with his many beautiful long lasting words and music he generously gave to all of us who appreciate his hard work chronicleizing the events of that devastating storm on the night of 10 November, 1975.
@@danbasta3677 this year will be the 50th since the sinking. I'm sure they will memorialize the Edmund Fitzgerald as well as the song. Expect it this November 2025.
Very well done presentation. Thank You!
Rest in peace the Edmund Fitzgerald crew member 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I certainly learned a lot from this video. Coming up on the 49th anniversary of this loss, as it’s Nov 3 2024 today. I had relatives that owned fishing boats & worked on others’ boats out of Westport Wa. Going up Alaska to crab, etc. You learn about these things whether you want to or not. I have respect for those that risk their lives at sea. Including our USCG. I’m always the land lover that says…”I’ll wait here”. 🌊🌊
Too all who lost a love one on the Fitzgerald im very sorry 4 your losses. The men on that ship were brave
Great stuff. She was a Great ship but also the best Crew!
May they r.i.p.
RIP all 29 souls that were taken.
Such a heartbreaking tragedy, may they Rest In Peace forevermore❤️
May God hold their loved ones close.🙏😘
For information's sake, since 2006 the Fitzgerald's final resting place has been off limits to divers without permission from the Ontario or Canadian Governments. Both governments have declared it a grave site.
Heard the song and didn't know what it was about. Now I have learned a lot.
Absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing this with us
Always remember never forget and Gordon Lightfoot your our Canadian 🇨🇦 pride doing all honour with that beautiful song!
Quite correct. Gordon Meridith Lightfoot November 17, 1938 May 1, 2023. You to sir, will never be forgotten for all your precious gifts and work you put into this song and tribute to those guys who passed away on the ore carrying ship, the Edmund Fitzgerald which, she very lovingly was called by all the mariners of the Great Lakes region The Big Fitz. Gordon Meridith Lightfoot, one of Canada's very finest singer/songwriter of our time. Your a fine man Gordon Meridith Lightfoot, none better ever out there.
❤I was ten when I heard news of the wreck from my uncle in Alaska. I was recouperating from a car vs bicycle accident i was the bike victom. Spent 2 years recoup time. Became Ham radio enthusiast. Family in all branches of millitary at the time,merchant marines too. Greatest loss in nine years on the great lakes.
One of the few video productions that mention the very significant fact about the bulkheads, and the damaged hatches. I don't think the hatches are any fault of the crew, but rather the fault of construction, her crew being top-notch. God bless the crew and the family and loved ones they left behind.
it will be 50 yrs next yr this happened, so tragic we loose so many to the sea's, but you go into the water ur at it's mercy!~
@@Warg666 49 this year, but I can’t believe my grandpa has been gone almost 50 years
@@claire33ist My Great-Grandpa died in 77 so I feel ya, and he owned a very successful company 2.
@@Warg666 god bless you and your family and his soul💗 we will never forget!
Never Forgotten RIP
I live where the Edmund Fitzgerald lays resting 🪶🪶🪶🙏🚢
I live on the shores of lake ontario in Canada, we would sit on top of the bluffs and watch the big boats coast thru the lake,I remember hearing my parents talk about it and they were very upset, something that has stayed with me all these years
The Great lakes and Superior. She's the one who allows you to live or not. Make no mistake, she's in control. No human rules the seas. Period.
She chose on November 10, 1975, to take the vessel and the crew. She knew them, as they sailed many times on her waters. Dear God grant everlasting life. Amen 🙏
God doesn't grant everlasting life - only to those who believe in Christ by Romans 10:9 and Romans 10:10.
This was an
wesome report
THANK you for this
May they rest in peace.
Lets solve this mystery once and for all
She was constantly overloaded. When she sank she was overloaded. Her bilge pumps could not keep up with the water coming in. She was leaking from the start of that final journey. A week before that fatal voyage she passed inspection.
She had two mishaps previous to this she was supposed to be put in dry dock for the winter and to allow for further repaiars.
That final rogue wave took her down in one fell swoop.
The cause corporate greed this is what sank her.
Corporate greed sank her and the titanic
As the lyric of the song went, she was loaded loaded 29, 000 tons of taconite pellets, she weighed empty. And yes, it certainly was corporate greed as she had to get one last final run in before the shipping season were to end for that year, 1975. The two volatile air masses delt ships master, Captain Earnest McSorley a raw hand as he was making his final run on Lake Superior to retire and join his beloved wife in a assistant living facility.
I wish they would have given Gordon Lightfoot credit as being a large contributor in helping to keep the legend of the Edmund Fitzgerald alive.......
When he passed, they rang the bell an extra time...for him.
@@allisonrharris6664 Which he deserved. He is, without a doubt one of Canada's greatest, most finest singer/songwriters of our time. Rest peacefully Gordon Meridith Lightfoot. Your very loved by many throughout the whole wide world.
No program credit given to Gordon Lightfoot for the use of his song 😢
I noticed that also. I consider that a curious omission.
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The Church rang the bell 30 times, after the death of Mr Lightfoot. Now rings 30 times each year.
Strange, no mention of G.L., but an excellent video.
@@katiedid1851 It's: "The church bell rang 29 times" - not 30.
@@solarismoon3046 Did you even read the comment?
@@solarismoon3046 Yes, 29 times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald, HOWEVER, since Gordon Meridith Lightfoot has now passed away May 1st, 2023, they also ring that bell 30 times in commendation of his skillful writing of the song and all the events leading up to the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald, making you feel as though that you were on the Big Fitz, experiencing everything those guys were experiencing while going through this storm that took this ship, and the lives of those sailors that died on that ship back in November 10, 1975. So yes, 30 times to include singer songwriter Gordon Meridith Lightfoot as he to is an experiance sailor in his own rite, knowing just exactly what was happening and describing through words, the events leading up to the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald making you feel that you to were on that ship on that fateful day when she was lost at sea upon Lake Superior.
I’d heard the song I didn’t realise it was so recent. How sad
Nearly a half century ago, after Watergate, but before the USA Bicentennial.
'95 is "20 years after," not when the vessel sank, the title is a little ambiguous.
I love all his hits album
If memory serves me correctly, all expeditions to/on the Edmund Fitzgerald site have long been prohibited by provincial and federal laws? Closed even to scholastic and government investigationa?
Yup I still believe so
I really hope so. It is so disrespectful to take pictures/video of these incredible people that lost their lives in such an unfortunate way. I would think that most people would automatically think that but…I’m obviously wrong. I get diving on a shipwreck. Definitely not a resting place for people still in the wreck. The families have to be crushed over this.
@@stephanieann622 Why do they go over ever last piece of aircraft when they crash? Aren't they final resting places also? My opinion is they don't want the public or insurance companies find out the real reason the ship sunk.
The thing about Taconite that it absorbs water so if water was getting into cargo holds the water would not drain out as fast as it was coming in even if the pumps were on making the ship so much heavier and if it was fully loaded or overloaded with taconite and water was getting into it's hold that ship would of been dangerously overweight and then the stress of the waves and wind tossing the ship around could of made it break apart and sink very quickly.
Thank you for that information re. the taconite factor I never knew.
I'd recently read this about the taconite, and it makes sense of why it sank so fast.
Amazing!
Awesome presentation - thank you for posting this!!
Rest in Peace. 💔💔💔
Never forget.
So sad for the loss
20 years ago? Hallelujah!!! I'm young again!!!
When i first found out about this story a few years ago i am hocked, my ex husband told me about this years ago and we took our kids to Duluth when they were younger and they just loved it, we toured the ship thats there, just amazing, i was speechless, good job Gordon Lightfoot
I would like to feel sure that the Angels gathered them all together
Watching 11/10/2024
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It wasn’t well taken care of.
The hatches were rusted. Rusted bulkheads.
Fitz went down because of the flooding through the hatch covers. She went into a trough and torpedoed into the bottom, that’s why her bow is accordioned and her stern broke off. It’s in 500 something feet of water and she’s over 700 feet long. So it would make sense it would break off. She went under the water still under power.
(6:08)
Gravity speed the hull up to 32 mph before impact, double normal cruise speed. The bow buckled upon impact. A portion (less than 10% hull length) may look like bellows of an accordion.
Corrugation, such as corrugated cardboard is a novel description.
The ship 729' long, built to the Saint Lawrence Sea canal capacity, was 154' less than the 883' the Titanic, which wouldn't fit.
The bulkheads, 3 rather than the normal 5, weren't solid, whether rusted or not, they wouldn't inhibit the sloshing of the water in the hold, below deck.
14:24 Check the transcript. It mentions the bulkhead was a Screen Bulk Kit. You know ship terminology better than I, and the transcripts are literal transcribed. So, the speaker's diction & recording sound quality affect what's noted.
💡Two 50 person life boats is transcribed as 250.
Yes, if that picture they use to click on is the actual Fitzgerald. It looks like a big wave went over the front of the ship. With it taking on water and the iron ore, it went straight to the bottom. I remember hearing about it on the news I was only 5, but my parents watched the news after we ate dinner. Then Gordon Lightfoot wrote the song. So, you pretty much grew up with this tragedy.
First of all you need to get a few facts straight! If you watch the National Geographic version of this story they said that they LOST POWER and their radar had stopped working. Meaning that they were dead in the water. No power means no navigable way to move through the water. No one knows what happened after the radio went silent. It would be dark and no one would be able to see below deck without electricity. Plus no one knows what or how the ship broke up for sure. No signs of rust or damage of any kind to suggest that the hatches had failed. What you're seeing in the video footage is rust from the boat sitting under water for twenty years. None of that was present when the Edmund Fitzgerald went down to the bottom of the lake. The WEIGHT of the taconite alone would be enough to sink any ship in that sort of weather with thirty five foot waves. So what you're saying is both ignorant and untrue. There are dozens of videos on this story - watch a few of them before commenting on how much you think you know.
God bless
Bless them❤
Stop desecrating the gravesite, RESPECT for families left behind 🙏🏼 RIP 29 souls 😔
We didn't just take the lifeboats up and scrap them, they actually still exist. They are located on the S.S. Valley Camp in Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan.
😢🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Eternal Father, Strong to save, who's arm has calmed the restless wave. Who bids the mighty ocean deep. It's own appointed limits keep. Oh hear us when we cry to thee.
For those in pearl on the sea.
Eternal Father grant we pray, to all Marines both night and day. For Honor, Strength, and
Skill. Their land to serve, Thy Law fro fill. Tho be the Shield forever more, from every pearl
to The Corps. A-Men.
Semper Fidelis,
The Gunny
The Concordia disaster was also on the "11th" day of the month. ...Twin Towers...🙏❤
Was is normally to still set sail ships when a storm was going through today? Was there any technology back then to predict the veracity of the storm?
When she left Superior, WI it was 70°, sunny, and calm. They received gale and storm warnings in the middle of their trip, and she tried to make it to Whitefish Bay to ride out the rest of the storm.
Believe now that a ship of ANY size, can sink. Rip.
They should dive the ship again using modern technology. Ships like the Fitzgerald are still active. If anything can be learned and lives saved it should be explored.
I understand where you're coming from but I believe it's restricted and it's considered a graveyard. Supposedly the bodies are naturally preserved down there.
@ obviously they do not need to show bodies. There are still vessels with that steel being sailed. If it’s weak or fragile we owe the mariners and their families the safety of a forensic investigation. I believe the dead crew of the EF would do anything possible to keep others from dying like they did.
@@thereissomecoolstuff but that was 50 years ago and I'm sure they're making ships a lot safer now.
@ yes but there are still ships sailing from that era. The Arthur Anderson who was sailing with the EF that night is still sailing. It may just be a matter of reducing their capacity. They could learn that from diving on it.
I'm glad they recovered the bell and one of the anchors and built a memorial for the men lost on the Edmund Fitzgerald and that the Canadian Government did designate the site a grave yard with a $ 1 million fine for diving on the wreck site.
You never cut the bell off a ship.
Why not? They did.
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Its hard to believe that jeff heitz is still with toledo ohio.s wtol tv 11.he.s been with toledo 11 a great many a years
In 5th grade now history I search for wondering why so fast it left us all!!!?? Why!!
S true Canadian singer❤❤❤
YES, This Ship is a Grave Site, Now like thew Titanic, No longer can take anything, I don't see any harm to Dive and look at the Ship and take pictures, But NEVER EVER forget that this Ship is a grave Site, Always Respect!!!!!!!
When I first heard the song "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," I thought it was describing something that happened hundreds of years ago. I was a dumb kid at the time.
Whats the name of the song at 2:00?
Whats the name of the song at 4:00?
Whats the name of the song at 6:00?
Whats the name of the song at 8:00?
Whats the name of the song at 10:00?
Whats the name of the song at 16:00?
Whats the name of the song at 18:00?
Whats the name of the song at 20:00?
Nice documentary otherwise
At 8:00 You're kidding - right? Um do you know who Gordon Lightfoot is? The song is the same as the ship. This is what is known as "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" which was written a few years after this tragedy. I figured that this would be obvious. The rest of these songs are whatever they found for background music and is anyone's guess.
Toledo tv should research Leisy brewing company allegedly from along the route of the Toledo Peoria Western Railway- the gateway city to Keokuk and Iowa where Dad hitched a ride on the bread truck to Carthage college , met mom at a card game in 1950
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I do think the families of Fitzgerald crew members are a little overboard with their sentamentality about gravesites and all. My Daddy commanded an LST in the Pacific during WWII. If it had gone down we'd have never known where or why. His grave would have been memories and photos and maybe a tree planted. I think it unfortunate for the families that the wreck was found because they continue to obsess over it and having it declared a grave site. You can't guard underwater. I saw one special on diving that wreck and that revealed the truth of the Coast Guard's misinformation. The families were told no bodies were observed, but subsequent private exploration revealed there were several bodies observed around or in
the wreck. Another diver claimed he was sure exploration was still going on. Saying, you don't need to be right over a wreck to dive it. Anyway, they're dead. That is the main thing. And using an example of digging up a grave is ridiculous. No one is doing anything to them, or bringing them up and exhibiting them. Have memorials or services, but stop acting like y'all are the only ones who've lost someone. Lots of people have, yet the Fitz's families act like they and their lost are more important and deserve special treatment. You aren't and you don't. So stop being whiney publicity grabbers. That is disrespectful to your dead and they'd probably be embarrassed by your carrying on. They are 29 of many thousands, but those other families (any living) are not being interviewed and trotting out their grief for public display. Any one can feel grief as long as they want, but they needn't maje an industry of it.
Wow, I am sensing some hurt feelings in this. Sometimes it also accompanies grief. I don’t get the feeling that the families are looking for media exposure or attention at all. My dad has passed as well, and the first thing I thought of was how I would react if someone was down in his grave taking pictures of his face. I would be absolutely devastated. That’s an image that nobody should see of their loved one. I am sorry for the loss of your father. I send my deepest sympathy. Don’t let the anger consume you and maybe try and understand how others can view things differently. We all grieve in our own way but I don’t think video or pictures of the dead are necessary for anything positive. Have a blessed day.
Your father served in war so your assertion is a false equivalency. None of us have the right nor should we speculate regarding the grief process of others or how it’s expressed. In fact, *your comment is the most arrogant and disrespectful in this section.* Shame on you.
You have most clumsily morphed a tragedy that clearly has nothing to do with you into your own “whiney” dissertation about your “Daddy.” This is what happens when one lives in a hermetically sealed bubble of terminal self-absorption. I’m embarrassed on behalf of your “Daddy.”
@tundrawomansays694: You are missing the point, which is that these people are demanding, and receiving, special treatment; that is what I find amazing. And as far as special attention some of them were frequently obliging, if not eager, about interviews. There is the case of the Kamloops. The difference is that no one knew exactly where she sank and it was not discovered for years, I am assuming immediate family members had died. There are bodies on it in the engine room, I believe, and people dive on that as they wish. I did not suggest, nor have I heard, that photos of the Fitzgerald crew were being taken. If the families were concerned when it was revealed there were bodies in and around the wreck, they could have demanded retrieval and buried them; rather than making a fetish of the bell. There are thousands of wrecks known and unknown on the bottoms of the lakes. I have no problems about my father's service. He served from 1923 to 1954 and retired as an officer. He died peacefully in bed at age 84. He chose to die and requested a DNR order at the hospital. More than 1000 sailors were entombed in the Arizona, and their families would have been considered looney had they demanded recovery. It does have a nice shrine over it. Men were alive in the capsized Oklahoma and continued tapping for rescue for weeks until their air ran out. They were too deep in the ship to reach, too many decks to cut through and possibility of flooding compartment they were in, although holes were cut in some capsized ships and a few were rescued. I find and was just reading an article about other nations feeling the same, that Americans are overly obsessed with death rituals. I have made arrangements for my body to go to a body farm when I die. It's the closest I can get to Tibetan Sky Burial in a country ruled by zealots and the massive funeral businesses' lobbyists. A cheap funeral runs $6000 to $7000, which I find obscene. Most are $10,000 to $20,000.
Just dump me under a tree in a field for bugs, birds, and rodents and I'll be happy. It's just the cycle of life, you know. I doubt there's lots left of the Fitzgerald crew. Although bones in fresh cold water last a long time. There was a ship that went down in the St . Lawrence River making way to the Atlantic in the early 20th or late 19th century thst there's a documentary about on RUclips. There's a museum consisting entirely of relics brought up from her wreck. There's also film taken by a diver which shows bones on the deck. Salt water dissolves bones. She may have sunk earlier than I said. Not sure and can't remember her name. It's a very dangerous dive.
None of you have any idea what it’s like to lose a family member to the sea on a merchant ship like the Fitz or you wouldn’t be so quick to judge. The bell is the voice of any ship, and easier to bring up than remains. The site is off limits now as it should be.
@@Laura-y4h, i agree with you. If the relatives of Edmond F. had it declared a grave therefore all other relatives of shipwrecks should be declared a grave site too.
Fun!! 🔥🔥
What is Taconite pellets?
Google...
I don't know either, but since she carried iron mined in the U.P., taconite is some kind of iron ore.
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Low grade iron ore was compressed and whatever high grade was left was turned into taconite pellets. Sent out to steel mills to then turn the pellets into steel sheets for auto manufacturers, etc.
Sadly I think the bell looks like a trinket. Rest well guys xx
It was functional pre- 1958.
-linfergusson
8702: it absolutely is and a publicity stunt. The families didn't care about putting the diver who retrieved it in danger, which he was. That produced several documentaries. They seem determined to mine the tragedy as long as they can.
@@Laura-y4hWho is “they?” The families were very articulate regarding their wishes which were respected to the extent feasible. They were and remain quite capable of speaking for themselves.
Minnesota twin's and their farm team Toledo mudhens scrape bottom along with the Fitz
Pride goes before destruction, so goes a proud ship captain
A day before my 17th birthday
It’s not a legend. A legend is an unverifiable story
Being legend has nothing to do with being verifiable.
One Ship rolls off the blocks, one Nuclear Submarine goes under the North Pole. 1958 was an awesome year. Wasn't supposed to be this way. One now is a ship wreck and the other is a Pristine Museum. Ships aren't meant to dive, Submarines are. Very Ironic. God Bless Submariners.
I really feel for them and if it was me I my feel differently. But the "gravesite" is just where they died, it isn't hallowed ground (or water in this case) During wars many people die in water and land and are buried at sea, but that doesn't stop things. Unfortunately because it is water and transient people need answers. I would do something on hallowed ground as a memorial either in a cemetery or other place. If they are atheists then forget hallowed ground, but in a disaster one needs answers and maybe tech years from now will help others.
God Bless!!
There is a difference in the bacteria and wildlife. In the Atlantic the sea life and saltwater corroded the bodies. In the Great Lakes the water is freshwater and it's too cold for any bacteria to eat at anything. It's why the wrecks are so well preserved and why the bodies remain in the wrecks in the Great Lakes.Sep 2, 2023
They sleep in wait of a resurrection. Jehovah will call they will answer
Sad
Ruth, If your so upset, have your sons remains recovered and properly buried.
After years of investigation, it's almost certain that Gordon Lightfoot staged the wreck because he thought his song wasn't getting enough air time.
To have the ships Bell and the on shore memorial is a GOOD THING, LEAVE THE SHIP ALONE!!!
She was hit by a rogue wave.
Takes a big wave to force a ship to ram the lake bottom in 530 ft of water.
Astute observation. But fill the ship with enough water to create the starboard list and not so tough when you consider the iron ore pellets shifted to the bow.
@@jeffmilroy9345 Here's more than an astute observation: All that ore was not secure - meaning that it could move around in pellet form. Those pellets shifted from one side to the other in the storm from the power of thirty foot waves. All it would take is a hatch cover to fill with water. The captain even said that they had one of the railings give way from the power of the water. Most people aren't aware of the strength or the surface tension of water as it becomes deeper and the weight becomes more concentrated. The combination of the two was a recipe for disaster. They shouldn't have been on the water to begin with! I am more than convinced that this is what happened as there would be no way to keep water from coming inside once the hull or anything that can enter through any hole or soft spot inside it or inlets, ports on the top of the deck or other means of entry. What actually happened for sure no one will ever know.
Someone had commented that a wave came up behind the ship push it down into the bottom of the lake and broke up. The depth of that area was 500 ft and I believe the length of the ship was over 700 ft.
The thumbnail is so incredibly disrespectful to depict this grave ship as having been raised off the lake bed!
That's a lifeboat... and BOTH of them are on the S.S. Valley Camp Museum in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan.
I would want my relative brought up and given a decent Christian burial... How terrible and tormenting if the souls of these men are never able to rest in peace... becos their relatives want them left in the gloomy blackness at the bottom of the lake. 😢🙏🌺
That’s where all lost sailors rest.
I understand the bell of the cathedral was rung 30 times this year, one in memory of Gordon Lightfoot.
And supposing some of the recovery team died attempting to recover the remains. If there is indeed any remains left in the wreck ??
LadyOaks, navies have services for servicemen, it is in their prayer book. Surviving members of the USS Arizona are permitted to have their remains placed to rest with their shipmates.
And what do say to few remaining World War II sailors age 99 to 100+ that wish to be laid to rest aside of their fallen brethren of the U.S.S. Arizona in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii?
Or what about the H.M.S. Titanic that went down in 1912?
A ruptured esophagus?! Dear lord
Drain the lake to a reasonable depth
And how do you suppose that they do this - with buckets? How about draining the ocean so everyone can vistit the Titanic? 🙄 And what do you suppose is a reasonable depth?
No lol
Why not raise it
They should leave the ship where it is and raise the minimum wage instead.
Why ???
@@brianferguson7840 yea
@@Jophlo78 nah
Possible hull fracture on a shoal near Caribou Island, McSorley took a route closer to the shoreline than the Arthur Anderson. Also McSorley requested a Coast Guard inspection of the Ship but neither Canadian or U.S. Guard Cutter for the area was operational this afternoon...
This is 2024. I can do math, why 20 year proclamation?
People are so full of her. They don’t want anyone to investigate to see if there’s a chance we can keep it from happening again. They just want to use their her to be hate unless someone else’s children go down the same way..Very sad.
If you don't know English, but your comment in your first language. Otherwise, proof read or copy text & have it read aloud. "so full of h e r" Really?🤔
There were 20 months of investigation during Presidents Ford & Carter's administration. Watch the beginning, again.😮
13:00
20 months investigation done.
I don't think you have a clue of what you're talking about. You're talking nonsense. There's nothing else to learn from the Fitz. We already know how not to let something like that happen, we always did.
@@imvandenh If we always did know how to keep something from happening then how did this happen?
The thing was too big, poorly constructed, overloaded, with a crew not trained to handle adversity. Nothing new. Same reason Multi-thousands of ships have gone down. Lightfoot Gotta decent song out of it. move on.
What economic gain are they getting by dividing it trying to to study it to find what happened
It has nothing to do with economic gain. They are studying what happened to prevent this from happening to another ship.
@ how can they study something they can no longer dive
Making money off the dead sailors
Actually they're spending money trying to solve the mystery....
That captains greed killed those men!
Did you know him?
@@pumpernickel_rye The oiler, Tom Benson was my first roommate in college who went down on the Fitz. As far as the captain I can say I never had the displeasure of knowing him.
Good thing you liked your own comment because nobody else will. There is not one shred of evidence despite all of the analysis of this incident to support your statement.
I’ll give you a shred of evidence: Him and the other jerk of a captain on the Anderson were the only people out there. Everyone else had gotten and read the mayfour and were laying too. He was over loaded in comparisons to all the other trips made that year and his bonus was based on the tonnage that he hauled that year. Let’s be honest, with all his experience and the knowledge of the condition of his motor vessel he put himself and his crew in harms way. You did not lose any of your friends because of his bad decision, I did! All because of his bad decision and greed. Do you know anyone else besides him and the idiot on the Anderson that was out there. Please don’t count anyone who was hiding behind any islands. The fact that he went out into these known conditions supports my argument that his greed killed himself and his crew.
Not personally knowing anyone on board. When the ship went down two of my uncles were working shipping on the Great Lakes, so it was concerning when I heard of the loss of ship and crew. I don’t think you can say any one certain thing was the cause, ultimately Mother Nature came calling. And I say let the crew rest in peace. If you live on the Lakes. We know the power of them. 🙏🚢
RIP, 🩶 29 🩶!
God bless their souls.
Rest in peace brave men.✝️