It’s always a good day when Juubito stops getting underrated. It’s always been crazy to me that people think Tobirama is legitimately speed blitzing him when he’s using instant teleportation and even states HIMSELF that he needs to rely on teleporting to Obito’s back and that it won’t work forever. He even credits FTG solely to his exploits even working in chapter 645 for anyone wondering. And THEN Obito is literally immortal, at the end of the day Naruto defeated Obito by contradicting his ideology but neither Madara nor Hashirama can actually do that here. Hashirama is a nice guy and all but he’s still a traditional Shinobi and we’ve never really see him do the ninshu emotion sharing that Naruto pulled off on his own (key word on his own, it was narutos chakra that was transmitting his memories to everyone)
I’ve NEVER agreed with that it just makes no sense with the rest of the fight or the statements Tobirama makes about Obito, it’s just outlandish af to me
That's part of his arsenal why not give him credit lol also it was 6 against 1 and everyone took part in defeating obito plus he stopped fighting because he couldn't handle the 10tails power
@@orochimarupr There’s a difference between having instant teleportation and people saying your actual physical travel and combat speed is Juubito level, those are two clearly different things. It’s blatantly misleading and is done to wank a character who does not have feats of that level.
@@hobbyhorse5848 To be honest I dont think ive seen anyone saying that but if they did they must be crazy. That's also what is happening in boruto and is getting worse. Apparently Team 10 and sarada are above the 10tail claw grime. Same thing happened with current kages, people say they are God tier just because they were able to hold down kinshiki lol
@@orochimaruprAgreed, too many people scale everything in Boruto much too high just because it comes after Naruto. There is honestly not really anything to say that the 10 tails claw grimes would be much stronger then the original 10 tails clones. And maybe the current generation of kages aren’t god tier and Momoshiki and Kinshiki simply are not as strong as we think.😂
DEBATABLE. Because even though Hashirama admitted Obito was stronger than him in a 1v1. Naruto and Sasuke went on to beat him after figuring out Sage jutsu works on him. Thousand hand budda (from Hashirama sage mode) PLUS Madara Susanno Nine tail combo (the same thing Naruto and Sasuke used to beat him) would PROBABLY spank Ten tails Obito.
@@henryriasco5857no not debatable. Both Hashirama and Tobirama(who is significantly smarter than Hashirama) both said Hashirama was _no match_ for Juubito. It literally took multiple Hashirama level threats to fight Juubito on an even plain field. Hashirama said himself normal KCM2 Naruto had as much chakra as he had, and EMS Sasuke kept up perfectly with KCM2 and matched his power out put exactly meaning EMS Sasuke and KCM2 Naruto are on Hashirama's level..... _And then_ EMS Sasuke got Jugo Amp while KCM2 Naruto got Sage Mode. On top of this KCM Minato who's on par with KCM2 Naruto and therefore Hashirama also helped. Alive Hashirama and Madara by themselves are getting shitstomp.
without Naruto, Obito would not have all those doubts and would have controlled the 10 tails as well as Madara did. He would not have problems with his resolve and would just blatantly win
I’ve got an interesting video idea ThunderGod. What is Naruto & Sasuke’s wives fought their fights in Naruto. For Example Hinata vs Sasuke at the Valley or Sakura vs Danzo. Think about it 👍
No problem I mean tbh we can just have different opinions that’s the nuance of the show the scene we’re in I always say this but imagine how boring it’d be if everyone thought the same
Another banger upload. My two cents as usual are as follows: Obito has some of the highest stats and the most powerful hax in the verse, but is cursed with some of the lowest conviction, he's just an extension of Madara's will. Madara and Hashirama have much greater conviction, which might not make the difference in these matchups but would make them much more fun to watch. It is also worth noting that conviction in Naruto is obviously a source of mental amps and nerfs throughout the series. This is why Juubito was getting tagged by character's like Tobirama and Sage Naruto who have much higher conviction
To sum up the point of my comment: Madara and Hashirama would be more likely to "make plays" than Obito, which would make the fights more entertaining and surprising
bro, that makes no sense whatever. Obito's fights (vs Konan, Minato, Kakashi, Naruto and gang) are always more entertaining than Hashi and Madara's because unlike them he uses crafty underhanded tactics to get the upper hand and his kamui requires strategy to deal with and not brute force like the aforementioned two. Also, lacking conviction is what makes for good writing and is part of the reason why Kishi didn't think twice when hoeing Madara bc he is just a stagnant character that fights for the sake of it and is just there to fill in the villain role
@@legendraider-lp9yh By your own admission Obito's fights are usually entertaining largely in part because of his enemies, which supports one of my points. You also agree with the other point that Obito does lack conviction. So what doesn't make sense about my comment?
@@legendraider-lp9yh That would make no sense, but I didn't say that. I said he was cursed with low conviction but I was just talking about how his life is cursed
They'd get stomped horribly. Might do well In the churning exams though. Could out last their opponent since bending doesn't drain after a few uses like chakra.
It's 11 PM at my place so I'm going to comment my opinions before watching the video tomorrow. Alive and Edo versions of Madara and Hashirama won't matter because TSB negate Edo regeneration. But i think Juubito got this, mainly because i personally think that alive Madara with 1 Rinnegan and Hashirama's Sage Mode is still inferior to Juubito. The only way i can see Hashirama and Madara winning this is by Madara saying stuff about Rin and gave Juubito a mental nerf, which will also destroy The Sword of Nunoboko. This is just my opinion before watching, feel free to comment here
If a Sage Rasengan is enough to hurt him I don't see how Hashiramas attacks wouldn't be strong enough to hurt him. I'm not saying he doesn't win because he absolutely does, just saying their ability to hurt him isn't any less than a Sage Mode Naruto's Rasengan.
@@teezy786just look at Seththeprogrammers video on hashirama. The fight between alive hashirama and Obito with 10 tails is basically a draw for what we know. But if it’s both madara and hashirama… then Obito with 10 tails literally has no chance. I’m not joking. Madara by himself I’s stronger than full Kurama. And if you give alive madara both his rinnegans than madara alone has the possibility of defeating Obito with 10 tails.
@@balloonb0y677 Yeah but Prime Hashirama was stronger than full Kurama and Madara combined. Obviously once Madara gets Hashis Sage Chakra and his Rinnegan he's a different beast, but EMS Madara and Kurama got stomped by Hashirama. The guy is a monster on his own.
@@teezy786 madara and Kurama combined scale to be equal in power to the 10 tails, if not a bit stronger. Since it’s shown that just Kurama by himself is literally 50% of 10 tails, would also mean madara is equivalent if not stronger than 50% of 10 tails. So combining them both would literally just be a 10 tails equivalent.
Didn't Edo-Madara basically said that he could deal with Obito jin', althought it would be difficult ? It seems that he was planning to take Edo-Hashirama senjutsu, fight Obito jin' in order to weaken him, and use Black Zetsu to ressurect himself. Naruto & Sasuke saved him the trouble of doing that himself, but it was his plan regardless. And Edo-Madara said that AFTER witnessing Obito jin' full range of power. Now, we could argue that Edo-Madara would have ultimately failed, but how does your powerscaling make any sense if you're basically saying that Edo-Madara (with senjutsu) stands no chance against Obito jin' ? It's one thing to say that Edo-Madara overestimated himself, it's another to suggest that Edo-Madara was dillusional. In fact Edo-Madara has no problem acknowledging power when he sees it. Of course if we're saying that Edo-Madara is not that far behind Obito jin', now we have the question of Edo-Hashirama clearly saying that Obito jin' was stronger than him even before the Uchiha had any control. And since there was a long fight between Edo-Hashirama and Edo-Madara, those two didn't seems that different in term of level. I don't agree with that but regardless, what all of that suggest is simply that while Obito jin' is stronger than Edo-Hashirama, it's not to a point when Edo-Hashirama stands no chance against him (in term of level). So if we're talking about Hashirama which is stronger than his Edo-version, this only add to those chances. And now we're also adding Madara, which is pretty much as strong as Hashirama ? Seems to me quite clear that this team is stronger than Obito jin'.
i love your breakdowns. speaking of obito though, how do you think he would do against kabuto's akatsuki edos when they first were meeting each other? this would've been against itachi, deidara, sasori, kakuzu, and nagato
My man appreciate it! I might touch on that if I do a SM Kabuto vs Obito vid or something like that, but I generally don’t put too much stock into the convo as it’s framed as a hostile negation rather than a straight up stand off. Obito’s main concern ironically wasn’t that Madara would be used against him but that it would be revealed he wasn’t Madara which is what lured the nations into a war with him into the first place.
I have a question. How strong would Manako Osho from Bleach would be if he was in Naruto (i don't want to say his name because of reasons)? He's one of the most powerful beings in Bleach, and his hax is broken. His hax allows him to cut "names" (names are powers). He also owns every single "black", whether if they're dead or alive. With his Shinuchi (ancient Bankai), he can bestow you a new name, lets say he named you "Black Ant", you will be as strong as a black ant. He can also casually slap you across 1000 Ri (4000 km). What I'm wondering is how effective would his power be against TSB, will it completely negged TSB because they're black?
Be prepared for spoilers if you’re an anime only. He controls all black in the universe on a conceptual level (and we literally do see him pulling black from everywhere in the universe, he also said his power draws from “the living and the dead” who’re in two separate parts of the universe and he scales above Senjumaru). He can also steal 100 nights of time from the Soul Society dimension to create a darkness mausoleum that obliterates you from existence on a spiritual level. He also scaled WAAAY above canon novel SAFWY kenpachi who’s fight with Azashiro threatened to destroy the Dangai hyperspace. He solos, the TSOs being black mean they belong to him. His power is a perfect counter to Otsutsuki who he would just rename into being ants. In his prime form he also has the left hand of the soul king which governs evolution and progress which gives him biological immortality and biological manipulation as well as the power to steal and duplicate the powers of people he comes into physical contact with. When you include his secret Kido and physical prowess the Narutoverse cannot measure up to him.
@@jackmanleblanc2518 yeah once you start these universe vs universe You would have to makes a baised assumptions due to different metaphysics of these worlds
The VIZ blurbs have always been dodgy. I was one of those guys that said “Goku travelled half of Namek in seconds” because it said on the back of volume 10 of DB that the battle took place halfway across the planet. However, the battle took place almost exactly where Krillin and Gohan initially took the DB’s. Seeing as they could see Freezas spaceship that was a few miles at best. Goku and Freezas fight was visible the entire time pre-SSJ by Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin meaning it didn’t move that far, especially considering THEY moved back towards the spaceship when they flew away (check the direction in the manga). There are still some people though that will argue that they were halfway across Namek.
Who would win between all movie villains (no Toneri and Momoshiki) and EMS Madara (no Kyuubi)? The movie villains will have 1 month of prep before fighting Madara. Can they beat Madara. And if they beat EMS Madara, can they beat Edo Madara with the wood style?
Thundergod you should do a video on current Hokage Sage Naruto vs the previous Hokage and why he is still the strongest Hokage ever. His base mode made a Rasengan which could clash with Fused Momoshiki and he could swap hands in base with him as well. His Sage Mode on top of that still makes him the most powerful Hokage ever
@ThunderGodTG you're welcome man! Another awesome one is what if instead of Shikamaru going with Naruto to battle Code Sasuke went instead. I think a major change is Sasuke isn't getting taken hostage by Code. Even though Sasuke more than likely has lost the perfect Susanoo he should still have access to his lesser version. Naruto left those two clones behind to gather nature energy I suspect those clones would send Sage Naruto a crazy amount of Nature energy for a timely giant attack if he needed it.
- Alive Madara & Alive Hashirama < Juubito ( High Diff ) - Edo Madara & Edo Madara > Juubito ( Extreme Diff ) - Rinnegan Alive Madara & Sage Alive Hashirama >> Juubito ( Mid - High Diff ) This mainly depends on which Madara's version we use 🤷 Because Hashirama has Sage Mode in all Versions and he is relative with exception of Edo not being able to Use his Biggest Attacks like Budha 🤷 They can deal with TSO very Easily since Hashirama has Sage Chakra and he can Give it to Madara or Use it to Amp Madara's Susano 🤷 Sage amped Perfect Susano and Budha Statue would wreck TSO shields too🙌 I can't give it to Alive Madara and Hashirama because I don't see their Avatars tanking Ten tails Bijuu Bombs 🤷 But Edo or Rinnegan Madara can absorb and Regen. Anyway , Alive Rinnegan Madara & Peak Hashirama would Win without Doubt 🙌 : Kcm2 Naruto or EMS Sasuke in War is NOT close to Alive Madara or Alive Hashirama. The gap is too Big 🙌
SM hashirama>=rinnegan madara> Base hashirama>EMS madara>KCM+SM naruto>=EMS+CM sasuke. As cool as it seems. It would be a massacre as any of hashirama or Madera solo.
@@paulvarus859 yes this is the most accurate, I would even say pre uchiha senju alliance Ems madara and base hashirama should beat them quite easily, I don't think most people quite understand there is massive gap between them . And it should put a perspective on how big of a buff the six path chakra from HAGOROMO is. It's not sasukes rinnegan or narutos six paths sage mode that amped them that much it's hagoromos chakra that did It.
Remember, Madara implied he could've done this solo. He said Naruto and Sasuke saved him the wasted time of just doing it himself. And it's believeable as he's constantly being pumped with senjutsu chakra.
Vergil Vs Sesshomaru should be your next verses battle if you're interested. Even though I believe Vergil stomps, but both verses need more representation. The SCARY similarities between Sesshomaru and Vergil! Vergil and Sesshomaru Personalities: Calm, cool, collected, and confident. For most of their lives they look down on humans. And respected only the strong and powerful. Were proud of their demon heritage and bloodline. Respecting their father's and their legacies; Sparda and Toga. Both wanting more power. We're dissatisfied with the amount of power they had already, eventually wanting more powerful swords. Especially the one's their father's had passed on to them; The Yamato & Tenseiga. The swords they wanted instead, to grant them EVEN more power were their father's other swords; The Sparda Sword & The Tessaiga. Before being stopped and pressed by their half breed red wearing siblings; Dante and Inuyasha. They eventually give up on their father's power and find their own ways to get stronger. They also eventually learn to accept humans flaws and all and even mate with humans to have children of their own. Sesshomaru Weapons; - Tenseiga: A sword originally wielded by Toga, his father. Who was a great demon general. He passed the sword down to Sesshomaru, and passed down his other sword; the Tessaiga. To his younger brother; Inuyasha. The swords abilities are to not be able to harm any living beings stabbed or hit with the sword. It can bring people back from the dead once an can heal the wounded. However it can kill spirits, and beings native to the netherworld/underworld. It has an energy attack called Medo which can take the shape and form of crescent shape and even an oval. This ability can send others to the underworld. The Medo energy can even harm living beings as the Medo cuts through space to create it's portals. It has the ability to create barriers that can protect and transport Sesshomaru over large distances. - Tokijin: A great sword that was forged from the fangs of Goshiniki; A Naraku demon that pressed Inuyasha; Sesshomaru's half breed little brother. The Abilities of the sword are, Kenatsu; The ability to shoot out massive waves of energy needles that can shred an can kill enemies on impact. A Protective Barrier: That protects Sesshomaru once he places the sword into the ground. Soryuha; A massive light blue energy blast that forms into a dragon, which can destroy hordes of demons. But once used the sword needs to recharge. And becomes unusable. The sword was broken, but in a fight/Vs-Battle. I would still give it to Sesshomaru as an item to use. - Bakusaiga: Is a powerful Yokai sword forged from Sesshomarus body and energy. The swords abilities are decomposition, it can basically negate Regeneration and even have the wound spread throughout any organic body, infecting it all. It is also capable of releasing. A green energy blast called a Yokai wave. It's Sesshomaru's most powerful attack killing 1 thousand demons in 1 strike alone. Unlike Tokijin this sword doesn't need to recharge either. Vergil Weapons; - Yamato: A Dark Forged Katana once wielded by the legendary demon General Sparda, his father. He passed his Katana down to Vergil, and passed down his other sword; The Rebellion. To the younger brother; Dante. The sword abilities are too be able to cut through anything the sword touches. This includes air and even though space and time itself. Which can be used as many various projectiles, called judgment cuts. Or portals for travel of short or long ranges, even allowing those to enter and leave the demon world/under world. Using the swords splitting ability you can separate man from demon, DNA, and even memories. The sword regardless of it's wielder can move faster than the human eye can see. But it grows even faster depending on how strong the person wielding the sword is and how skilled they're at using it's abilities. Can become a Large Human Sized Crystalline that creates a barrier, that protects Vergil from all damage until the crystal is destroyed. The Yamato can recharge Vergil's demonic energy, but requires Vergil to be still. - Beowulf: A set of Gauntlets and Greaves made from the remnants and scraps of Beowulf's soul. Beowulf was a mighty light demon, that pressed Vergil's twin half brother; Dante. The Beowulf increases the users Speed and Power. Vergil can even use the weapon in tandom with other weapons. For Vergil we see him use the weapon while using the Yamato at the same time. The weapons abilities can form light/holy light projectiles and create small supernovas. Vergil displays this ability on steroids when he uses an ability called "Hell on Earth." Where he Nukes everything on the field, within a small radius. In the game Vergil lost the weapon, and Dante can optionally pick it up. But some fans speculate that this is a non cannon option to give the players more variety and that Vergil still has the weapon. As seen in Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition. But for a fight or Vs-Battle we would give it to Vergil to use. - Mirage Edge: A blue great sword weapon, made from Vergil's own infernal energy and soul. Shaped like his father's sword; The Force Edge. This weapons abilities are to send out light blue shockwaves, that can suck in enemies with a vacuum like effect. Vergil can throw the sword that carves up multiple enemies, as he created a whirlwind an vacuum like effect telepathically. He can also summon swords called the Mirage Blade. He can summon dozens on dozens of these swords, but because they're only made of Vergil's demonic energy and not Vergil's soul. They will brake over time and have a set durability limit. Unlike the Mirage Blade, but still. These blades aren't any-less sharpes then any other normal sword, and will shred you to pieces if you underestimate them. Even having time slowing and stopping affects when hit by many of them. He dual wields Mirage Blde in tandom with Yamato. Imagine if he used Beowulf while using both blades. He would be an absolute monster to face in combat! It's also implied that he uses this same ability to cut a piece of his soul to summon a doppelganger of Vergil himself, that can do anything Vergil can do with the Yamato. Differences; While both are older Brothers. Vergil is a half breed as well, and a twin to Dante. Sesshomaru is a full blooded demon unlike his younger sibling Inuyasha who is a half breed as well. Their Abilities are very different while seemingly similar they're massive differences between the two demons. Vergil is the current demon king and known as the Alpha and Omega. While Sesshomaru doesn't hold any particularly title besides being known as a great Yokai. One that surpasses even his father. But still I can't help but think Sesshomaru might have inspired Vergil in some ways. But hey that's just a theory.
I'm appaled at the fact that we are still not sure that Hashirama and Madara are not FTL. They have FTL reaction speed but they don't have FTL combat speed. They just have big kaiju and regeneration.
The thing is madara and rhe 1st scale above that group that fought obito i think they would do better . But i have a question would the first be able to fuse sage mode with his1000 hand wood statue thing?
Hashirama and Madara don't seem to fight alongside one another as well as Naruto and Sasuke but then again Madara can fight alongside . Also I thought Madara would somehow take his eye back... like yunno, Obito's been pushing hard controlling a madenning rinnegan AND the juubi. A 'little' Madara -level genjustu might just end him lol. Only rinnegan Madara btw. I think we all love to see end-of-the-valley Madara bang up against truth seeking orbs and the supeer-strong red flames when power is the best he's got. FINALLY Madara forced to cheese, rat and scheme his way out of a fight! Love the new edits btw. Good analysis ThunderGod!
I’m really confused at the Juubito downplay even if Madara and Hashirama pre six-paths in Madara’s case gang up on him they still lose besides Juubito only lost to talk-no jutsu not because Naruto and Sasuke are stronger but he doubted himself if Juubito had full conviction Juubito wouldn’t have lost and if he did Truth-seeking scorch like in the games he would basically one-shot anyone pre six paths there is just a vast discrepancy in power speed defense techniques and even ability they just have no chance of winning even if I were to be generous with Alive Sage Rinnegan Madara which is Madara’s strongest form pre six paths at best they’d get a extremely high diff win.
@@ThunderGodTG I watched the whole episode and to this day I think that at most the strongest form of Madara pre-six-paths and Prime Hashirama would at best get an extreme high diff win.
There could be an argument for Hashirama and Madara fusing the perfect Susanoo,9 tails and 1000 armed Kanon and basically doing Obito like Naruto and Sasuke did
izanami is a wincon for sure, in that state hes emotionally unstable, his regrets allow him to be succeptable to it. its just, would madara wanna sacrafice his eye?
Juubito is closer to Juubidara than Rinnegan Sage Madara considering that right after getting the 10 Tails ripped out of him severely weakened Obito could still react to and impale Madara. Madara isn't even stated to surpass Obito until he became the 10 Tails Jinnchuriki.
alive duo would easily take this, the buff alive madara gets is impressive, hashirama would be the same. not to mention madara was confident he could take down obito with sage mode while on edo state
Depends which alive madara. Og alive madara would be weaker than edo madara cause of all the buffs kabuto put on him. Alive madara in the war arc is stronger than edo madara
@@Diaster147 the buffs he made on madara don't account for much since we have someone who fought og alive madara and has a more correct opinion on his past strength compared to kabuto. it is hashiramas comment that makes this so much more important, he says it himself madara is regaining his past power meaning while on edo state with kabutos amps, he was still quite a bit weaker than his past self
I believe Madara was confident he could take down Obito with 1 Rinnegan and Sage mode. I think Madara in the form would be faster than Obito as he effortlessly dodged the flying raijin slice from Tobirama while he was off guard. That being said i think the fight could go either way but i think Madara would win 9.5/10 difficulty, you throw Hashirama in there and i don't think there's anything Obito could do. The other two fights though ehh i feel like Alive they could do something if Madara had the 9tails or have a perfect attire 1000 are Shin Shu Senju. Edo i think Madara could do something with his Rinnegan but i think they lose for sure.
@@kinginblack2845 You need to understand Juubito and Juubidara have way better defenses than Sasuke, they both have the 10tails power, more chakra and regeneration. they both have truth seeking orbs, rods, six path staff and sword of nunoboku. He probably cant see limbo and Juubito has attacks that negates regeneration. Im not saying they would win but they would definitely last longer. Jigen himself said it would take long to kill naruto so just imagine 2 10tail jinchurikin
All of their attacks get shrunken down or absorbed. Those cheaters are weaker than prime Adult Naruto and Sasuke, so the stomp would be even worse. I don't know why people can't accept that Naruto Shippuden got power cliffed
@@BitchChill You really dont get it dont use, juubidara and Juubito are the 10tail jinchurikin, have a lot more chakra and regeneration than Sasuke. They also have better defenses something Sasuke lacks because sussano is slow and useless and like I said he cant see limbo. They would actually last longer and they can both see jigen if he shrinks
Naruto & Sasuke at that part of the war arc were DEFINITELY weaker than Edo Hashirama & Madara at that time. It's not even a debate or discussion. Only after getting their 6 paths powerups did they surpass Hashirama & Madara.
@@paulvarus859 If that were true, they would have stood 0 chance against Kaguya and Sasuke wouldn't have been able to do as much damage to a one Rinnegan Juubidara. Even a sage mode Hashirama admitted Juubito was stronger than him and 6 paths Sage Mode KCM Naruto is at least Juubito level. Hagoromo himself also later confirms this.
For me is Six Paths Obito vs Both Edo is High diff for Obito Six Paths Obito vs Both alive (Madara only ems) extreme diff for Obito Six Paths Obito vs alive Madara Rinnengan and alive Hashirama Low diff for Madara and Hashirama
Imo alive hashirama and madara take it.I think the statement of madara being the no 1 villian plus him bullying ems sasuke with his plan of beating juubito as an edo with sage mode paints a picture. Sage madara is also stated inferior to ems madara who got his ass beat by hashirama even when he had the 9 tails.
Just hear me out susuke who fought jubito is relative to naruto KCM2+sage and if you remember that same sauske was nothing compare to blind madara just a child and that blind madara blitz sage mode naruto "who him self said sage mode have better reaction time than the KCM" and said that madara EMS alive and sage mode hashirama alive(can even argue that base hashirama is as strong as EMS madara but with sage mode he is superior to EMS madara ) they are both superior in term of speed chakra and everything mainly experiences they could find a way to get obito knowing hes weak against sage jutsu and we have hashirama full of sage jutsu leagues better than naruto sage mode
i see someone is a juubito fan😏, hashirama's shinsu senju literally punched a full body susanoo from live prime madara off of kyuubi. madara's susano'o and hashirama's golems tanked those 4 bijuu bombs. live hashirama defeated a magestic attire susano'o on a full 100% ninetails while a weaker version of it forced juubito to pull out his strongest weapons. and the speed difference you keep mentioning is not there both madara and hashirama are ftl, hashirama has his poison pollens that even penetrates the susano'o which is known as the best form of defense, edo madara clones can use susano'o, as alive madara is stronger so it isn't far fetched to say his clones can pull out a perfect susano'o. so i ask what's obito going to do with 10+ susano'os rushing at him meteors falling from the sky & poison pollen all around, wood golem, dragon and to top it off the diety gates and shinsu senju which is just as massive as the juubi with a thousand hands which can shoot of all 5 changes in chakra?
If you think this Sasuke and Naruto is stronger than Edo Madara and Hashirama, then yeah we didn't read the same Manga. With that being said I agree that Edo Madara and Hashirama will lose to obito. Naruto and Sasuke won because of Psychological impact on Obito. what can you say? He is a simp, a beta male. So of course this thing gonna cripple him.
Nobody in Naruto is light speed, if we use real physics. However if you say light speed as a number 3 million kilometers per second, then yes I could roll with. As long as we do not apply our real physics and instead use numbers as a marker to identify with then it is okay.
Yeah i think edos? Get stomped. Final valley Madara (no 9 tails) + Hashirama? Get stomped Revived Sage Rinnegan Madara? Obito struggles but wins. Revived Sage Rinnegan Madara + Hashirama? Obito either 1 shots them, or he loses.
he cannot ... not even naruto can do awaken rinnegan ... naruto got hagoromos chakra like sasuke did ... but naruto never was and will be capable to awaken rinengan since he wasn't born with visual powers ... ... since you need genes to be born with it + visual powers with induras chakra ... or it must given to you ...
@nukriberidze2791 well obito WAS born with visual prowess and he's born with Indras Chakra. So he meets that part. But guess what, he also gained ashuras Chakra because he was implanted with a ton of hashirama DNA because that is what white zetsu is. So by all accounts, Obito should have awakened the rinnegan.
It took a majestic attire to take down juubito. Madara alone scales around that and hashirama is even stronger than that. It's too simple. Together as edo tensei they win. But either one of them alive solos. Edit: Wood golem=madara perfect susanoo>wood dragon>kurama avatar>curse mark susanoo. Madara's perfect susanoo is possibly stronger than naruto and sasuke's majestic attire.
This is NOT correct, not saying if you say Mads & Hashirama winning is some bad take but, you're completely ignoring how naruto & sasuke get stronger with their respecitve avatars, the naruto the fights Obito is WAY stronger than the way that loses to Edo Madara, so this scale doesn't work.
It def is not but there a part to it, like there is difference to teleporting an attack on someone then teleporting to attack, Madara vs Minato is prob the best example of this
idk though. Limbo clones may be different from what Obito is used to. Maybe as Juubito he can perceive them so he can phase. We also don't know if Rinnegan Madara can invade his "personal" dimension.@@justanothercommenterwithan9089
@@ThunderGodTG honestly TG you're the first RUclipsr that has ever responded to one of my comments so I thank you for that by the way I think you and swag should do more colabs I feel like you guys would really bounce off each other and he doesn't post as much as I would like
No problem appreciate it bruv yeah we def got more stuff in the works also my comment was jokes but I did not know I was saying it wrong lmao so appreciate the correction
@@ThunderGodTG it's okay lol I didn't take it as and aggression but like every Naruto RUclipsr says it wrong in a different way and I just think that's really funny
Just hear me out susuke who fought jubito is relative to naruto KCM2+sage and if you remember that same sauske was nothing compare to blind madara just a child and that blind madara blitz sage mode naruto "who him self said sage mode have better reaction time than the KCM" and said that madara EMS alive and sage mode hashirama alive(can even argue that base hashirama is as strong as EMS madara but with sage mode he is superior to EMS madara ) they are both superior in term of speed chakra and everything mainly experiences they could find a way to get obito knowing hes weak against sage jutsu and we have hashirama full of sage jutsu leagues better than naruto sage mode
Obito: Madara! You said that I would see Rin, again!
Madara: No, I said Rinnegan.
GOTTEEM!!!!
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Rinnegone
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imagine copy pasting a joke 5 years ago lmao
It’s always a good day when Juubito stops getting underrated. It’s always been crazy to me that people think Tobirama is legitimately speed blitzing him when he’s using instant teleportation and even states HIMSELF that he needs to rely on teleporting to Obito’s back and that it won’t work forever. He even credits FTG solely to his exploits even working in chapter 645 for anyone wondering.
And THEN Obito is literally immortal, at the end of the day Naruto defeated Obito by contradicting his ideology but neither Madara nor Hashirama can actually do that here. Hashirama is a nice guy and all but he’s still a traditional Shinobi and we’ve never really see him do the ninshu emotion sharing that Naruto pulled off on his own (key word on his own, it was narutos chakra that was transmitting his memories to everyone)
I’ve NEVER agreed with that it just makes no sense with the rest of the fight or the statements Tobirama makes about Obito, it’s just outlandish af to me
That's part of his arsenal why not give him credit lol
also it was 6 against 1 and everyone took part in defeating obito plus he stopped fighting because he couldn't handle the 10tails power
@@orochimarupr There’s a difference between having instant teleportation and people saying your actual physical travel and combat speed is Juubito level, those are two clearly different things. It’s blatantly misleading and is done to wank a character who does not have feats of that level.
@@hobbyhorse5848 To be honest I dont think ive seen anyone saying that but if they did they must be crazy.
That's also what is happening in boruto and is getting worse. Apparently Team 10 and sarada are above the 10tail claw grime.
Same thing happened with current kages, people say they are God tier just because they were able to hold down kinshiki lol
@@orochimaruprAgreed, too many people scale everything in Boruto much too high just because it comes after Naruto.
There is honestly not really anything to say that the 10 tails claw grimes would be much stronger then the original 10 tails clones.
And maybe the current generation of kages aren’t god tier and Momoshiki and Kinshiki simply are not as strong as we think.😂
Alive Hashirama and madara are definitely stronger than Naruto and Sasuke pre hagoromo buff
I personally think so
how 😭
Hell no!
@@davonbenson4361 some youtubers have AWFUL scaling
Yesnt hashirama is stronger than naruto but madara isn’t stronger than sasuke imo
That thumbnail is looking 🔥😮💨 W video my guy‼️
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If this was Ten Tails Obito against alive human Madara and Hashirama... then Obito would win.
Obito>
DEBATABLE. Because even though Hashirama admitted Obito was stronger than him in a 1v1. Naruto and Sasuke went on to beat him after figuring out Sage jutsu works on him. Thousand hand budda (from Hashirama sage mode) PLUS Madara Susanno Nine tail combo (the same thing Naruto and Sasuke used to beat him) would PROBABLY spank Ten tails Obito.
@@henryriasco5857no not debatable. Both Hashirama and Tobirama(who is significantly smarter than Hashirama) both said Hashirama was _no match_ for Juubito. It literally took multiple Hashirama level threats to fight Juubito on an even plain field.
Hashirama said himself normal KCM2 Naruto had as much chakra as he had, and EMS Sasuke kept up perfectly with KCM2 and matched his power out put exactly meaning EMS Sasuke and KCM2 Naruto are on Hashirama's level.....
_And then_ EMS Sasuke got Jugo Amp while KCM2 Naruto got Sage Mode. On top of this KCM Minato who's on par with KCM2 Naruto and therefore Hashirama also helped.
Alive Hashirama and Madara by themselves are getting shitstomp.
@@thmistrapillay1811its not debatable true. Alive Hashirama alone would stomp Juubito. Its not close ether.
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This video went freaking hard bro
"The IRS got these four on lock for tax evasion" sent me cus nah edo tensei is THE premium tax evasion method 😂
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Damn that thumbnail is awesome!
We do be trying 🔥🔥
The goat
Thumbnail goes hard 🥶
love the new style for these vids
without Naruto, Obito would not have all those doubts and would have controlled the 10 tails as well as Madara did. He would not have problems with his resolve and would just blatantly win
Obito was mentally nerfed before and hella fucked when he absorbed the juubi which is why he couldn’t control it that well at first
Thundergod please make a momoshiki vs Ishiki video someday 🙏
I mean, I loved the Pokémon jokes😂
Awesome video man
I’ve got an interesting video idea ThunderGod. What is Naruto & Sasuke’s wives fought their fights in Naruto. For Example Hinata vs Sasuke at the Valley or Sakura vs Danzo. Think about it 👍
Yo love your content please do vids on other anime like One piece, JJK, bleach etc.
I am absolutely loving JJK rn so def expect that! Appreciate the kind words too!
I just want to thank you for not taking the same stance as seth and sometimes swag, always making juubito look like conplete fodder to Edo madara
No problem I mean tbh we can just have different opinions that’s the nuance of the show the scene we’re in I always say this but imagine how boring it’d be if everyone thought the same
@@ThunderGodTG completely understand👍🏾, that’s the beauty of the show. We all do get to create our own valid opinions
W thunder god video once again
TG's been playing a lot of Teal Mask DLC on Showdown it seems
Mannnn we love Pokémon out here lmao
Great analysis!
My man ✊🏻🔥
Yo tg what’s the next couple of vids keep up with the good work.💯💯
My man appreciate it ✊🏻 I got a few things on the works that are 🔥 might do a Shisui vid
Another banger upload. My two cents as usual are as follows: Obito has some of the highest stats and the most powerful hax in the verse, but is cursed with some of the lowest conviction, he's just an extension of Madara's will. Madara and Hashirama have much greater conviction, which might not make the difference in these matchups but would make them much more fun to watch. It is also worth noting that conviction in Naruto is obviously a source of mental amps and nerfs throughout the series. This is why Juubito was getting tagged by character's like Tobirama and Sage Naruto who have much higher conviction
To sum up the point of my comment: Madara and Hashirama would be more likely to "make plays" than Obito, which would make the fights more entertaining and surprising
bro, that makes no sense whatever. Obito's fights (vs Konan, Minato, Kakashi, Naruto and gang) are always more entertaining than Hashi and Madara's because unlike them he uses crafty underhanded tactics to get the upper hand and his kamui requires strategy to deal with and not brute force like the aforementioned two. Also, lacking conviction is what makes for good writing and is part of the reason why Kishi didn't think twice when hoeing Madara bc he is just a stagnant character that fights for the sake of it and is just there to fill in the villain role
@@legendraider-lp9yh By your own admission Obito's fights are usually entertaining largely in part because of his enemies, which supports one of my points. You also agree with the other point that Obito does lack conviction. So what doesn't make sense about my comment?
@@takatotakasui8307 what made no sense is you saying Obito's psychologial state degrades his fights even though ut makes them more entertaining
@@legendraider-lp9yh That would make no sense, but I didn't say that. I said he was cursed with low conviction but I was just talking about how his life is cursed
“Shout out Hannah Montana” 💀
Obito would be able to see and sense limbo clones, potentially being able to make his own
W upload, keep it up goat
Great stuff 🙏🏼
I would love to see Akatsuki Duos vs The Gaang (Sozin’s comet). Use Zuko intercepting lightning for speed scaling if you want them to be relative.
The problem is that even if they are speed equal, the aktsuki fight biju and the avatar gaang fight kids who know karate and machines like tanks.
Hidan would slap the Aang gang
Even Pain solos Avatar and Korra Universe (except Vatuu Korra)
They'd get stomped horribly. Might do well In the churning exams though. Could out last their opponent since bending doesn't drain after a few uses like chakra.
@@jonathanhayhurst3928 I personally think Sasori or Orochi is where they top out at but Hidan?!? That’s wild
The IRS line is genius since Sasuke left Konoha and became a criminal, the first 4 Hokage are dead, and Naruto’s broke!
Holy shit that thumbnail is gas
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great video! Vol is a little low.
Yeah we had some issues with that my fault completely will def not be present anymore
@@ThunderGodTG thanks for acknowledging my comment, I like your channel keep up the good work !
Appreciate it!
It's 11 PM at my place so I'm going to comment my opinions before watching the video tomorrow. Alive and Edo versions of Madara and Hashirama won't matter because TSB negate Edo regeneration. But i think Juubito got this, mainly because i personally think that alive Madara with 1 Rinnegan and Hashirama's Sage Mode is still inferior to Juubito.
The only way i can see Hashirama and Madara winning this is by Madara saying stuff about Rin and gave Juubito a mental nerf, which will also destroy The Sword of Nunoboko.
This is just my opinion before watching, feel free to comment here
If a Sage Rasengan is enough to hurt him I don't see how Hashiramas attacks wouldn't be strong enough to hurt him. I'm not saying he doesn't win because he absolutely does, just saying their ability to hurt him isn't any less than a Sage Mode Naruto's Rasengan.
@@teezy786 hashirama actually does scale to Obito with 10 tails.
@@teezy786just look at Seththeprogrammers video on hashirama.
The fight between alive hashirama and Obito with 10 tails is basically a draw for what we know.
But if it’s both madara and hashirama… then Obito with 10 tails literally has no chance. I’m not joking.
Madara by himself I’s stronger than full Kurama. And if you give alive madara both his rinnegans than madara alone has the possibility of defeating Obito with 10 tails.
@@balloonb0y677 Yeah but Prime Hashirama was stronger than full Kurama and Madara combined. Obviously once Madara gets Hashis Sage Chakra and his Rinnegan he's a different beast, but EMS Madara and Kurama got stomped by Hashirama. The guy is a monster on his own.
@@teezy786 madara and Kurama combined scale to be equal in power to the 10 tails, if not a bit stronger.
Since it’s shown that just Kurama by himself is literally 50% of 10 tails, would also mean madara is equivalent if not stronger than 50% of 10 tails. So combining them both would literally just be a 10 tails equivalent.
Can you do Juubito with Dms(Kamui+Susanno) vs Fp Madara(Juubidara)?
Didn't Edo-Madara basically said that he could deal with Obito jin', althought it would be difficult ? It seems that he was planning to take Edo-Hashirama senjutsu, fight Obito jin' in order to weaken him, and use Black Zetsu to ressurect himself. Naruto & Sasuke saved him the trouble of doing that himself, but it was his plan regardless. And Edo-Madara said that AFTER witnessing Obito jin' full range of power.
Now, we could argue that Edo-Madara would have ultimately failed, but how does your powerscaling make any sense if you're basically saying that Edo-Madara (with senjutsu) stands no chance against Obito jin' ? It's one thing to say that Edo-Madara overestimated himself, it's another to suggest that Edo-Madara was dillusional. In fact Edo-Madara has no problem acknowledging power when he sees it.
Of course if we're saying that Edo-Madara is not that far behind Obito jin', now we have the question of Edo-Hashirama clearly saying that Obito jin' was stronger than him even before the Uchiha had any control. And since there was a long fight between Edo-Hashirama and Edo-Madara, those two didn't seems that different in term of level. I don't agree with that but regardless, what all of that suggest is simply that while Obito jin' is stronger than Edo-Hashirama, it's not to a point when Edo-Hashirama stands no chance against him (in term of level). So if we're talking about Hashirama which is stronger than his Edo-version, this only add to those chances. And now we're also adding Madara, which is pretty much as strong as Hashirama ? Seems to me quite clear that this team is stronger than Obito jin'.
i love your breakdowns. speaking of obito though, how do you think he would do against kabuto's akatsuki edos when they first were meeting each other? this would've been against itachi, deidara, sasori, kakuzu, and nagato
My man appreciate it! I might touch on that if I do a SM Kabuto vs Obito vid or something like that, but I generally don’t put too much stock into the convo as it’s framed as a hostile negation rather than a straight up stand off. Obito’s main concern ironically wasn’t that Madara would be used against him but that it would be revealed he wasn’t Madara which is what lured the nations into a war with him into the first place.
Am i buggin or is that the BBB game ost in the background?
I have a question. How strong would Manako Osho from Bleach would be if he was in Naruto (i don't want to say his name because of reasons)?
He's one of the most powerful beings in Bleach, and his hax is broken. His hax allows him to cut "names" (names are powers). He also owns every single "black", whether if they're dead or alive. With his Shinuchi (ancient Bankai), he can bestow you a new name, lets say he named you "Black Ant", you will be as strong as a black ant. He can also casually slap you across 1000 Ri (4000 km).
What I'm wondering is how effective would his power be against TSB, will it completely negged TSB because they're black?
Be prepared for spoilers if you’re an anime only.
He controls all black in the universe on a conceptual level (and we literally do see him pulling black from everywhere in the universe, he also said his power draws from “the living and the dead” who’re in two separate parts of the universe and he scales above Senjumaru). He can also steal 100 nights of time from the Soul Society dimension to create a darkness mausoleum that obliterates you from existence on a spiritual level. He also scaled WAAAY above canon novel SAFWY kenpachi who’s fight with Azashiro threatened to destroy the Dangai hyperspace.
He solos, the TSOs being black mean they belong to him. His power is a perfect counter to Otsutsuki who he would just rename into being ants. In his prime form he also has the left hand of the soul king which governs evolution and progress which gives him biological immortality and biological manipulation as well as the power to steal and duplicate the powers of people he comes into physical contact with. When you include his secret Kido and physical prowess the Narutoverse cannot measure up to him.
He is literally one-shotting the majority of the verse. Not all of it but the vast majority.
@@hobbyhorse5848or maybe once he enters nurto world he losses all his powers because he is dependent on bleach metaphysics for his powers
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlThat's now how these versus discussions work.
@@jackmanleblanc2518 yeah once you start these universe vs universe
You would have to makes a baised assumptions due to different metaphysics of these worlds
5:36 i think u meant "delaying the inevitable"
I def did I prob slurred
Ok seriously. What is that Warriors style naruto game that I keep seeing footage of? I really want to play it!
The VIZ blurbs have always been dodgy. I was one of those guys that said “Goku travelled half of Namek in seconds” because it said on the back of volume 10 of DB that the battle took place halfway across the planet. However, the battle took place almost exactly where Krillin and Gohan initially took the DB’s. Seeing as they could see Freezas spaceship that was a few miles at best. Goku and Freezas fight was visible the entire time pre-SSJ by Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin meaning it didn’t move that far, especially considering THEY moved back towards the spaceship when they flew away (check the direction in the manga). There are still some people though that will argue that they were halfway across Namek.
The only thing that can hurt Ten Tails Obito is Sage jutsu.
Taijutsu is also effective
This is such a mismatch LOL Please do a versus video with Anbu Itachi and Hebi Sasuke
Kakashi and Guy vs Obito !
Do The Sannin vs Madara in the war.
Allmight VS Pain 👀👀
Who would win between all movie villains (no Toneri and Momoshiki) and EMS Madara (no Kyuubi)? The movie villains will have 1 month of prep before fighting Madara. Can they beat Madara. And if they beat EMS Madara, can they beat Edo Madara with the wood style?
It’s literally about to be Menma vs Madara all the other movie villains die from the basic shockwaves or Madara’s basic jutsu
Thundergod you should do a video on current Hokage Sage Naruto vs the previous Hokage and why he is still the strongest Hokage ever. His base mode made a Rasengan which could clash with Fused Momoshiki and he could swap hands in base with him as well. His Sage Mode on top of that still makes him the most powerful Hokage ever
This is actually a really good idea I'll mark this down, appreciated!
@@ThunderGodTG anytime bro! I love your content so anything I can help add I'm down with it lol I'm always brainstorming
My guy appreciate the love a fuck ton, if you have anything else you’d like to see from me drop them for sure!
@ThunderGodTG you're welcome man! Another awesome one is what if instead of Shikamaru going with Naruto to battle Code Sasuke went instead. I think a major change is Sasuke isn't getting taken hostage by Code. Even though Sasuke more than likely has lost the perfect Susanoo he should still have access to his lesser version. Naruto left those two clones behind to gather nature energy I suspect those clones would send Sage Naruto a crazy amount of Nature energy for a timely giant attack if he needed it.
Madara is GOD. He wins no diff
Obito basically has wonder guard as the Ten Tails jinjuriki.
- Alive Madara & Alive Hashirama < Juubito ( High Diff )
- Edo Madara & Edo Madara > Juubito ( Extreme Diff )
- Rinnegan Alive Madara & Sage Alive Hashirama >> Juubito ( Mid - High Diff )
This mainly depends on which Madara's version we use 🤷
Because Hashirama has Sage Mode in all Versions and he is relative with exception of Edo not being able to Use his Biggest Attacks like Budha 🤷
They can deal with TSO very Easily since Hashirama has Sage Chakra and he can Give it to Madara or Use it to Amp Madara's Susano 🤷
Sage amped Perfect Susano and Budha Statue would wreck TSO shields too🙌
I can't give it to Alive Madara and Hashirama because I don't see their Avatars tanking Ten tails Bijuu Bombs 🤷
But Edo or Rinnegan Madara can absorb and Regen.
Anyway , Alive Rinnegan Madara & Peak Hashirama would Win without Doubt 🙌
: Kcm2 Naruto or EMS Sasuke in War is NOT close to Alive Madara or Alive Hashirama. The gap is too Big 🙌
Juubito > Edo Hashi ,Edo Madara , Rinnegan alive madara, sage alive hashi
@@adwaith6991 what ? 😂
Rinnegan alive Madara was gonna take care of Juubito himself.
@@SalmanulFarisi101 doesn't mean he would have 😹..
@@adwaith6991 Means he could , So him + Hashirama definitely could
@@SalmanulFarisi101 😹juubito is basically became the 4rtg so6p who got nerfed in war as he got so OP , no way madara or hashi gonna defeat him
God bless you all. Do not forget to consider repentance brothers!
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EMS Sasuke/Bijju Sage mode Naruto VS EMS Alive Madara/Sage alive Hashirama would be….dope
SM hashirama>=rinnegan madara> Base hashirama>EMS madara>KCM+SM naruto>=EMS+CM sasuke.
As cool as it seems. It would be a massacre as any of hashirama or Madera solo.
@@paulvarus859 yes this is the most accurate, I would even say pre uchiha senju alliance Ems madara and base hashirama should beat them quite easily, I don't think most people quite understand there is massive gap between them . And it should put a perspective on how big of a buff the six path chakra from HAGOROMO is. It's not sasukes rinnegan or narutos six paths sage mode that amped them that much it's hagoromos chakra that did It.
Remember, Madara implied he could've done this solo. He said Naruto and Sasuke saved him the wasted time of just doing it himself. And it's believeable as he's constantly being pumped with senjutsu chakra.
Vergil Vs Sesshomaru should be your next verses battle if you're interested. Even though I believe Vergil stomps, but both verses need more representation.
The SCARY similarities between Sesshomaru and Vergil!
Vergil and Sesshomaru Personalities:
Calm, cool, collected, and confident. For most of their lives they look down on humans. And respected only the strong and powerful. Were proud of their demon heritage and bloodline. Respecting their father's and their legacies; Sparda and Toga. Both wanting more power. We're dissatisfied with the amount of power they had already, eventually wanting more powerful swords. Especially the one's their father's had passed on to them; The Yamato & Tenseiga. The swords they wanted instead, to grant them EVEN more power were their father's other swords; The Sparda Sword & The Tessaiga. Before being stopped and pressed by their half breed red wearing siblings; Dante and Inuyasha. They eventually give up on their father's power and find their own ways to get stronger. They also eventually learn to accept humans flaws and all and even mate with humans to have children of their own.
Sesshomaru Weapons;
- Tenseiga: A sword originally wielded by Toga, his father. Who was a great demon general. He passed the sword down to Sesshomaru, and passed down his other sword; the Tessaiga. To his younger brother; Inuyasha. The swords abilities are to not be able to harm any living beings stabbed or hit with the sword. It can bring people back from the dead once an can heal the wounded. However it can kill spirits, and beings native to the netherworld/underworld. It has an energy attack called Medo which can take the shape and form of crescent shape and even an oval. This ability can send others to the underworld. The Medo energy can even harm living beings as the Medo cuts through space to create it's portals. It has the ability to create barriers that can protect and transport Sesshomaru over large distances.
- Tokijin: A great sword that was forged from the fangs of Goshiniki; A Naraku demon that pressed Inuyasha; Sesshomaru's half breed little brother. The Abilities of the sword are, Kenatsu; The ability to shoot out massive waves of energy needles that can shred an can kill enemies on impact. A Protective Barrier: That protects Sesshomaru once he places the sword into the ground. Soryuha; A massive light blue energy blast that forms into a dragon, which can destroy hordes of demons. But once used the sword needs to recharge. And becomes unusable. The sword was broken, but in a fight/Vs-Battle. I would still give it to Sesshomaru as an item to use.
- Bakusaiga: Is a powerful Yokai sword forged from Sesshomarus body and energy. The swords abilities are decomposition, it can basically negate Regeneration and even have the wound spread throughout any organic body, infecting it all. It is also capable of releasing. A green energy blast called a Yokai wave. It's Sesshomaru's most powerful attack killing 1 thousand demons in 1 strike alone. Unlike Tokijin this sword doesn't need to recharge either.
Vergil Weapons;
- Yamato: A Dark Forged Katana once wielded by the legendary demon General Sparda, his father. He passed his Katana down to Vergil, and passed down his other sword; The Rebellion. To the younger brother; Dante. The sword abilities are too be able to cut through anything the sword touches. This includes air and even though space and time itself. Which can be used as many various projectiles, called judgment cuts. Or portals for travel of short or long ranges, even allowing those to enter and leave the demon world/under world. Using the swords splitting ability you can separate man from demon, DNA, and even memories. The sword regardless of it's wielder can move faster than the human eye can see. But it grows even faster depending on how strong the person wielding the sword is and how skilled they're at using it's abilities. Can become a Large Human Sized Crystalline that creates a barrier, that protects Vergil from all damage until the crystal is destroyed. The Yamato can recharge Vergil's demonic energy, but requires Vergil to be still.
- Beowulf: A set of Gauntlets and Greaves made from the remnants and scraps of Beowulf's soul. Beowulf was a mighty light demon, that pressed Vergil's twin half brother; Dante. The Beowulf increases the users Speed and Power. Vergil can even use the weapon in tandom with other weapons. For Vergil we see him use the weapon while using the Yamato at the same time. The weapons abilities can form light/holy light projectiles and create small supernovas. Vergil displays this ability on steroids when he uses an ability called "Hell on Earth." Where he Nukes everything on the field, within a small radius. In the game Vergil lost the weapon, and Dante can optionally pick it up. But some fans speculate that this is a non cannon option to give the players more variety and that Vergil still has the weapon. As seen in Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition. But for a fight or Vs-Battle we would give it to Vergil to use.
- Mirage Edge: A blue great sword weapon, made from Vergil's own infernal energy and soul. Shaped like his father's sword; The Force Edge. This weapons abilities are to send out light blue shockwaves, that can suck in enemies with a vacuum like effect. Vergil can throw the sword that carves up multiple enemies, as he created a whirlwind an vacuum like effect telepathically. He can also summon swords called the Mirage Blade. He can summon dozens on dozens of these swords, but because they're only made of Vergil's demonic energy and not Vergil's soul. They will brake over time and have a set durability limit. Unlike the Mirage Blade, but still. These blades aren't any-less sharpes then any other normal sword, and will shred you to pieces if you underestimate them. Even having time slowing and stopping affects when hit by many of them. He dual wields Mirage Blde in tandom with Yamato. Imagine if he used Beowulf while using both blades. He would be an absolute monster to face in combat! It's also implied that he uses this same ability to cut a piece of his soul to summon a doppelganger of Vergil himself, that can do anything Vergil can do with the Yamato.
Differences; While both are older Brothers. Vergil is a half breed as well, and a twin to Dante. Sesshomaru is a full blooded demon unlike his younger sibling Inuyasha who is a half breed as well. Their Abilities are very different while seemingly similar they're massive differences between the two demons. Vergil is the current demon king and known as the Alpha and Omega. While Sesshomaru doesn't hold any particularly title besides being known as a great Yokai. One that surpasses even his father.
But still I can't help but think Sesshomaru might have inspired Vergil in some ways. But hey that's just a theory.
Obito wins by sheer power.
I'm appaled at the fact that we are still not sure that Hashirama and Madara are not FTL.
They have FTL reaction speed but they don't have FTL combat speed. They just have big kaiju and regeneration.
The thing is madara and rhe 1st scale above that group that fought obito i think they would do better .
But i have a question would the first be able to fuse sage mode with his1000 hand wood statue thing?
Hashirama and Madara don't seem to fight alongside one another as well as Naruto and Sasuke but then again Madara can fight alongside .
Also I thought Madara would somehow take his eye back... like yunno, Obito's been pushing hard controlling a madenning rinnegan AND the juubi. A 'little' Madara -level genjustu might just end him lol.
Only rinnegan Madara btw. I think we all love to see end-of-the-valley Madara bang up against truth seeking orbs and the supeer-strong red flames when power is the best he's got. FINALLY Madara forced to cheese, rat and scheme his way out of a fight!
Love the new edits btw. Good analysis ThunderGod!
I’m really confused at the Juubito downplay even if Madara and Hashirama pre six-paths in Madara’s case gang up on him they still lose besides Juubito only lost to talk-no jutsu not because Naruto and Sasuke are stronger but he doubted himself if Juubito had full conviction Juubito wouldn’t have lost and if he did Truth-seeking scorch like in the games he would basically one-shot anyone pre six paths there is just a vast discrepancy in power speed defense techniques and even ability they just have no chance of winning even if I were to be generous with Alive Sage Rinnegan Madara which is Madara’s strongest form pre six paths at best they’d get a extremely high diff win.
Idk if you just didn’t watch the vid or just commenting generally speaking, or are responding to the vid cause I do note all of this
@@ThunderGodTG I watched the whole episode and to this day I think that at most the strongest form of Madara pre-six-paths and Prime Hashirama would at best get an extreme high diff win.
Thank you like juubito had to lose, like it was bull shit how he lost but you can’t beat author and protagonist
Ohh yeah that’s fair I just didn’t know if you were contradicting me or didn’t agree since we legit said the same thing
Missed opportunity at none of edo madaras rinnegan abilities against obits being explained
The only thing capable of beating 10 tails Obito is 10 tails Madara
There could be an argument for Hashirama and Madara fusing the perfect Susanoo,9 tails and 1000 armed Kanon and basically doing Obito like Naruto and Sasuke did
Do you have a discord server for fans
Not currently
Imagine Juubito with kamui
izanami is a wincon for sure, in that state hes emotionally unstable, his regrets allow him to be succeptable to it. its just, would madara wanna sacrafice his eye?
only Itachi and Naori were stated to have Izanami, none of the canon material hint to Madara even knowing about it
Juubito is closer to Juubidara than Rinnegan Sage Madara considering that right after getting the 10 Tails ripped out of him severely weakened Obito could still react to and impale Madara.
Madara isn't even stated to surpass Obito until he became the 10 Tails Jinnchuriki.
That wasn’t Obito. It was black zetsu that impaled madar
@@balloonb0y677I'm talking about when Obito ripped out Gyuki and Shukaku from Madara to help revive Naruto.
That's cause Obito could react to the tailed beasts chakra. Not because he is very strong
alive duo would easily take this, the buff alive madara gets is impressive, hashirama would be the same. not to mention madara was confident he could take down obito with sage mode while on edo state
Depends which alive madara. Og alive madara would be weaker than edo madara cause of all the buffs kabuto put on him. Alive madara in the war arc is stronger than edo madara
@@Diaster147 the buffs he made on madara don't account for much since we have someone who fought og alive madara and has a more correct opinion on his past strength compared to kabuto. it is hashiramas comment that makes this so much more important, he says it himself madara is regaining his past power meaning while on edo state with kabutos amps, he was still quite a bit weaker than his past self
I believe Madara was confident he could take down Obito with 1 Rinnegan and Sage mode. I think Madara in the form would be faster than Obito as he effortlessly dodged the flying raijin slice from Tobirama while he was off guard. That being said i think the fight could go either way but i think Madara would win 9.5/10 difficulty, you throw Hashirama in there and i don't think there's anything Obito could do. The other two fights though ehh i feel like Alive they could do something if Madara had the 9tails or have a perfect attire 1000 are Shin Shu Senju. Edo i think Madara could do something with his Rinnegan but i think they lose for sure.
Is this Wii bakugan music?!
Yes we enjoy peak
if only they resurrected Konan smh
Obito would’ve cleaned their clocks.
To be honest Juubito and Juubidara would probably do much better against jigen for many reasons
Juubito would get obliterated lmao ,only 3 eyed madara maybe stands a chance
@@kinginblack2845 You need to understand Juubito and Juubidara have way better defenses than Sasuke, they both have the 10tails power, more chakra and regeneration.
they both have truth seeking orbs, rods, six path staff and sword of nunoboku. He probably cant see limbo and Juubito has attacks that negates regeneration.
Im not saying they would win but they would definitely last longer. Jigen himself said it would take long to kill naruto so just imagine 2 10tail jinchurikin
All of their attacks get shrunken down or absorbed. Those cheaters are weaker than prime Adult Naruto and Sasuke, so the stomp would be even worse. I don't know why people can't accept that Naruto Shippuden got power cliffed
@@BitchChill You really dont get it dont use, juubidara and Juubito are the 10tail jinchurikin, have a lot more chakra and regeneration than Sasuke.
They also have better defenses something Sasuke lacks because sussano is slow and useless and like I said he cant see limbo.
They would actually last longer and they can both see jigen if he shrinks
Naruto & Sasuke at that part of the war arc were DEFINITELY weaker than Edo Hashirama & Madara at that time. It's not even a debate or discussion.
Only after getting their 6 paths powerups did they surpass Hashirama & Madara.
Alive hashirama/madara (rennigan) > 6 path naruto/sasuke.
@@paulvarus859 If that were true, they would have stood 0 chance against Kaguya and Sasuke wouldn't have been able to do as much damage to a one Rinnegan Juubidara.
Even a sage mode Hashirama admitted Juubito was stronger than him and 6 paths Sage Mode KCM Naruto is at least Juubito level.
Hagoromo himself also later confirms this.
For me is Six Paths Obito vs Both Edo is High diff for Obito
Six Paths Obito vs Both alive (Madara only ems) extreme diff for Obito
Six Paths Obito vs alive Madara Rinnengan and alive Hashirama
Low diff for Madara and Hashirama
This video is so poorly structured and you’re just yapping lol
Elaborate plz yap god
@@ThunderGodTG it sounds as if you don’t even have a script you just have this topic and talk about it
@@ThunderGodTG and saying random win cons lmfao
@@ThunderGodTG if obito touches hashirama the whole fight is over.
@@hotwinters2221Finally someone with a brain
Imo alive hashirama and madara take it.I think the statement of madara being the no 1 villian plus him bullying ems sasuke with his plan of beating juubito as an edo with sage mode paints a picture.
Sage madara is also stated inferior to ems madara who got his ass beat by hashirama even when he had the 9 tails.
Can we really consider Madara revealing the truth to Obito as a trump card? Knowing the Uchiha, that would strengthen his resolve not weaken it.
If Obito ever got that dual eternal mangekyo......... He would solo both Naruto and Boruto anime...
Ok hear me out, if you put hashirama and madara on the same team, we could see Majestic Attire Susanoo : True Several Thousand Hands
Just hear me out susuke who fought jubito is relative to naruto KCM2+sage and if you remember that same sauske was nothing compare to blind madara just a child and that blind madara blitz sage mode naruto "who him self said sage mode have better reaction time than the KCM" and said that madara EMS alive and sage mode hashirama alive(can even argue that base hashirama is as strong as EMS madara but with sage mode he is superior to EMS madara ) they are both superior in term of speed chakra and everything mainly experiences they could find a way to get obito knowing hes weak against sage jutsu and we have hashirama full of sage jutsu leagues better than naruto sage mode
i see someone is a juubito fan😏, hashirama's shinsu senju literally punched a full body susanoo from live prime madara off of kyuubi. madara's susano'o and hashirama's golems tanked those 4 bijuu bombs. live hashirama defeated a magestic attire susano'o on a full 100% ninetails while a weaker version of it forced juubito to pull out his strongest weapons. and the speed difference you keep mentioning is not there both madara and hashirama are ftl, hashirama has his poison pollens that even penetrates the susano'o which is known as the best form of defense, edo madara clones can use susano'o, as alive madara is stronger so it isn't far fetched to say his clones can pull out a perfect susano'o. so i ask what's obito going to do with 10+ susano'os rushing at him meteors falling from the sky & poison pollen all around, wood golem, dragon and to top it off the diety gates and shinsu senju which is just as massive as the juubi with a thousand hands which can shoot of all 5 changes in chakra?
I disagree with a lot here but, I do think it’s a bit debatable so we can just agree to disahree
@@ThunderGodTG fair enough
Imagine if Madara coated the shinsu senju in susano’o armor and put blades into the arms.Not saying it would beat Obito,but imagine.
How 1000m gonna fit in 100m susanoo dude u okay ?
@@candydoge9317 I was just saying it would be cool…
If you think this Sasuke and Naruto is stronger than Edo Madara and Hashirama, then yeah we didn't read the same Manga.
With that being said I agree that Edo Madara and Hashirama will lose to obito. Naruto and Sasuke won because of Psychological impact on Obito. what can you say? He is a simp, a beta male. So of course this thing gonna cripple him.
Edo Madera has wood style and his wood clones can use Susano'o Just saying.
W Obito 😊
Nobody in Naruto is light speed, if we use real physics. However if you say light speed as a number 3 million kilometers per second, then yes I could roll with. As long as we do not apply our real physics and instead use numbers as a marker to identify with then it is okay.
Yeah i think edos? Get stomped.
Final valley Madara (no 9 tails) + Hashirama? Get stomped
Revived Sage Rinnegan Madara? Obito struggles but wins.
Revived Sage Rinnegan Madara + Hashirama? Obito either 1 shots them, or he loses.
Alive Hashirama and Alive Madara>Obito
Obito > Hashi and Madara
Why didnt Obito naturally awaken his rinnegan? He literally met every criteria.
he cannot ... not even naruto can do awaken rinnegan ... naruto got hagoromos chakra like sasuke did ... but naruto never was and will be capable to awaken rinengan since he wasn't born with visual powers ...
... since you need genes to be born with it + visual powers with induras chakra ... or it must given to you ...
@nukriberidze2791 well obito WAS born with visual prowess and he's born with Indras Chakra. So he meets that part. But guess what, he also gained ashuras Chakra because he was implanted with a ton of hashirama DNA because that is what white zetsu is.
So by all accounts, Obito should have awakened the rinnegan.
Because he isn't indra reincarnation, he is indra's descendants .
@@SShaBazzzobito is not a reincarnation of indra.
@@darkgamingYT90022 what does reincarnation of indra have to do anything?
It took a majestic attire to take down juubito. Madara alone scales around that and hashirama is even stronger than that. It's too simple.
Together as edo tensei they win.
But either one of them alive solos.
Edit:
Wood golem=madara perfect susanoo>wood dragon>kurama avatar>curse mark susanoo.
Madara's perfect susanoo is possibly stronger than naruto and sasuke's majestic attire.
This is NOT correct, not saying if you say Mads & Hashirama winning is some bad take but, you're completely ignoring how naruto & sasuke get stronger with their respecitve avatars, the naruto the fights Obito is WAY stronger than the way that loses to Edo Madara, so this scale doesn't work.
I think the creator and naruto fans dont relize that telportaion isnt speed
It def is not but there a part to it, like there is difference to teleporting an attack on someone then teleporting to attack, Madara vs Minato is prob the best example of this
@ThunderGodTG ya you're right
Juubito destroys Alive Hashirama + Alive Madara (not Blind Madara)
Obito with dual MS or Kakashi with Juubito buff neg diffs Hashirama and Madara (non Rinnegan).
dual rinnegan alive madara still gets annihilated by dms obito or kakashi
idk though. Limbo clones may be different from what Obito is used to. Maybe as Juubito he can perceive them so he can phase. We also don't know if Rinnegan Madara can invade his "personal" dimension.@@justanothercommenterwithan9089
Why does every Naruto RUclipsr say nunoboko wrong
You see you’re right and I will take action to correct this, but close your window tn for that distasteful comment
@@ThunderGodTG honestly TG you're the first RUclipsr that has ever responded to one of my comments so I thank you for that by the way I think you and swag should do more colabs I feel like you guys would really bounce off each other and he doesn't post as much as I would like
No problem appreciate it bruv yeah we def got more stuff in the works also my comment was jokes but I did not know I was saying it wrong lmao so appreciate the correction
@@ThunderGodTG it's okay lol I didn't take it as and aggression but like every Naruto RUclipsr says it wrong in a different way and I just think that's really funny
Just hear me out susuke who fought jubito is relative to naruto KCM2+sage and if you remember that same sauske was nothing compare to blind madara just a child and that blind madara blitz sage mode naruto "who him self said sage mode have better reaction time than the KCM" and said that madara EMS alive and sage mode hashirama alive(can even argue that base hashirama is as strong as EMS madara but with sage mode he is superior to EMS madara ) they are both superior in term of speed chakra and everything mainly experiences they could find a way to get obito knowing hes weak against sage jutsu and we have hashirama full of sage jutsu leagues better than naruto sage mode
Madara could always gaslight obito and then use izanami on him
Madara was only op from prep time and taking all the best stuff from his bestfriend lol if it’s pre death obito might win this
Obi🐐 spanks them
Bros spittin
Falling Bolder solos Rinnerebirth Madara and Sage Mode Hashirama smh...
Juubito > Rinnegan Madara & Sage Hashirama
Lies
NOPE@@ThunderGodTG
U said obito not jubito. Now it's a pointless watch