The thing with the ending of Chapter 3 is that it ENTIRELY makes sense within the lore that a Harlequin of his stature could pull that off. Because it's not just ANY Harlequin, it's a Solitaire. Solitaires take normal Harlequins and make them look subpar, because Solitaires embody Slaanesh in their plays. They kind of tap into the Eldar's biggest fear, and basically no Eldar, not even most Archons, are willing to tick off a Solitaire. They effectively have free reign to do anything they wish, because they have the strength to back it up in Dark Eldar land and the normal Eldar respect them sufficiently.
It's interesting how the status of the Solitaires within Eldar society mirrors that of the Rogue Trader. Obviously there are taxonomical differences, but they serve very similar roles as galivanting corsairs with little oversight. It really shows how much history in 40k repeats itself, as different species ascend, stagnate, and fall. It happened with the Eldar, it's happening to humanity, and it'll happen to the T'au.
@@gallow_walkerThe really interesting thing comes in the fact that the Solitaires act with the knowledge that their society has already fallen and is circling the drain, and as such, every action they commit is just, because they can. No real greater reason, just a drive to do whatever they can, however they can. Because if your world is ending, why quibble over the details?
@@lol_vevo Nope, only someone like Captain Generals can deal with them. U know that Solitaire can take on Greater Daemon to survive or win. In the Battle of Lion Gate, 2 Tribunes were dead against the Greater Daemon they fought through their units managed to banish them. Only The current Captain General banished his Daemon without dying. That is a battle they fought alongside the other part of the Talons so the Daemons were nerfed quite a bit. The battle was the biggest losses for Custodes ever since the Heresy with thousand dead and many couldn't be saved as they didn't have enough Dreadnoughts.
I legit didn't even know it was a thing until this video popped up. Granted I've been out of the loop with PC gaming for the last 5 or 6 years until recently, having picked up a Steam Deck and built a new gaming computer in late spring. And I legit picked up this up after a touch of research and it runs gloriously on the Deck.
Yeah this game is really good. I tend to go back and play from time to time so I’m glad it’s getting some attention. It went under a lot of people’s radar
To be fair, their other games, especially WotR are better, simply by the fact of the material alone. Big problem with WH40k setting is, that pretty much everything is just evil. In Rogue Trade you can play fanatic evil (dogmatic), chaotic evil (heretic) what both just puts you on the same level as pretty much everyone else or completly out of place with iconoclast, where you pretty much act like a decent human being that is not just utterly crazy, what feels like the biggest impact, but also a bit ridiculous, since the most reaction you get from the NPC is utter disbelief (from both evil sides). WotR meanwhile, even with some of the choices limited, really gives you quite the different pathes, several good, several neutral, several evil - and those evil pathes are actually evil and not just "well, yeah, you do the same disgusting shit as everyone else, so who cares". It's quite comical when you get into the oh so evil space 'drow' city and when you think about - it's not really that much different to what the Empire is doing, with the main difference that the Drukhari got an actual reason for being evil, since they survive by that pain and suffering, while the Empire is evil for no purpose at all, actually even the opposite, since of course billions of suffering humans massively empower chaos and make it way worse in its attitude.
@miriamweller812 well, it's called Grimdark for a reason. I don't have a problem with dark and depressing setting of the Warhammer universe simply because my life isn't that far away from it. And even though in games such as Baldur's Gate 3 I do prefer to play as a Neutral Good character, because it's pretty much the only place where I can find and do something good for virtual people that are still appreciate it, Warhammer just feels like home to me. Dark, hopeless and unforgiving.
Ah yes the 90's in the UK where it's fictional, it's for kids. Seriously, I got Terminator 2 and Aliens kids toys. Because as a pre-teen those were appropriate.
@@theghostoftom I mean, Terminator and Alien were kinda cool franchises (maybe the more dubious one was Alien due to the gore in the burstchester scene) and I could see it being marketed to children But we are talking about a franchise where there is only pain, The Chaos Gods exist and etc. Nowadays GW correctly advertises to middle aged walle... I mean, people who have money to buy figurines and follow the lore.
@shroomer3867 there were actually a series of children books for both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k that came out in the past couple of years. They are very werid in how they balance the darkness (which the books definitely have it's moments from what I been told) of the setting and well being a kid book. It kind of reminds me of Warriors Cats and how that series led me into A Song Of Ice and Fire
Many R rated movies we're turned into cartoons for kids.
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@@theghostoftom My auntie taped Aliens for me, and Starship Troopers. I was 8-9. They are now my two favourite films, and she used to play the older GW games, great Aunt she is.
My reaction: "Oh this is nice, a Salt Factory Rogue trader video, fun" (After character creation) "15 minutes in, huh? I suppose it is a first impressions video...?" (Looking at video length) "6 HOURS??????"
5:29:44 A slight correction. A Glorious Reflection is not an Iconoclast, it's a Rogue trader who has no dominant conviction or has all three convictions at equal level. If you play any other conviction other the Iconoclast, you actually meet Iconoclast reflection and they are as heroic and good meaning as you would expect.
"Wonder what will take him so long to analyze! Or what will be the first thing he expla-" *Salt starts explaining the lore behind the Imperium and Rogue Traders* "Ah, that answers all questions"
The prologue dialogue was voice acted in a later update so it used to be silent. Theodora didn't have a single line voiced in prologue originally. They also re-enacted Idira's lines, well some of them. That's why some of it may have felt lacking.
shows you really how much can dishpoor Russian developers do with lots of passion for the project and then keep getting it better with accumulated sales.
Point of order: an infinity circuit is not a generator. More like a computer. It holds all the souls of every Eldar of that craftworld and it is the magic stuff that keeps the giant world ship going. In times of war they even pull souls out to fashion Wraithguard and Wraith Lords and other constructs, animated by the dead, to fight. It is a very important part of Eldar culture, since it is the only thing they have for an afterlife that isn't an infinity of torture.
@@boyanpenev9822I kind of thought it was more like the containment unit from Ghostbusters. The souls of the dead Eldar are stored in the Craft World's infinity circuit, and as long as they're in there, She Who Thirsts can't devour them. They also have plenty of company in there. But if they take your soul out to stick in a wraithguard, and that wraithguard is destroyed, you're probably going to be a snack for Slaanesh. I could be wrong. I'm no expert on Eldar.
@@AliceBowie the soulstones can work like that, yes. Although if the craftworld infinity circuit is destroyed, Slaanesh does get them. For the wraithguard, I think the body has a spirit stone backup, but I might be wrong. And even if it is, it can be broken. It is said the eldar do not enjoy having to bring out the wraith golems, the bodily wastes have to hit the fan pretty hard for Granny Miime to be handed a D-cannon again.
So far in the video, I've gotten to you saying that you like to play the good guy and will be sticking with Iconoclast, which I'm really happy to hear. Playing as a good guy in this game is really fun given how depressing WH40K is, so being able to show other people basic human compassion and empathy, along with helping whoever you can, is just cathartic. I've always appreciated how OwlCat Games has the NPC's in their games be supportive of your actions for being a good person, and I think they did a fantastic job in this one. Thank you for the 6 hour video as well! The interactions with the Aeldari and Drukhari as an Iconoclast funny as hell sometimes- Aeldari: "You Monkeigh are beneath us, all you do is destroy and burn, and we just want to live here in peace. If you do not leave, we will be forced to-" Me, Iconoclast: "Sure, we can work together." Aeldari: "remove you from this... wait, what?"
Playing iconoclast is pretty much the only way that you give your character any meaning, else you are just like the rest, so if you wouldn't be there, someone else would do all the disgusting shit, so who cares?
"Almond-shaped human" Yrliet passed herself as an almond-shaped human. That description killed me & now that phrase lives in my head rent free. Take my subscription. It was interesting to hear how Salt's introduction to Heinrix was: laden with seemingly heavy suspicion. My char was a sanctioned psyker & had a more friendly interaction in comparison along the lines of, "Hey we followed some heretics to the Zappy Church & like your work Heinrix, care to join us?" He came off as more inclined to work with me.
1:40:10 Damn the Fidelio quest is even better than I though. When I did it I pretended to be Fidelio at the beggining and it led to a comedy of errors where you have to survive multiple assassination attempt from guests trying to kill you for the inheritance, and during that time the rogue tradder and their retinue get progressively more and more annoyed that they got mixed up in some inheritance drama they couldn't care less about, just because of one stupid lie at the beggining. It was a really funny quest, I really liked the ending : you finally managed to convience everyone you're not Fidelio and you lied, you then talk to the priest and finally get to ask the question "Who in the name of the golden throne is Fidelio ?!". And in this path of the quest the priest doesn't tell you, you never learn who the person you impersonnated was or why they got the inheriance xD I'm really impressed that this quest has also a completely different serious version who's just as good, I really should replay this game once they're done updating it.
5:30:00 arrogant reflection is not iconoclast, it's basically indecisive Protag, who has all alignments up to level 2 and not commiting to a single one Iconoclast reflection is a softie who fucked up hard while having good intentions, also backed up by his version of abelard and is a soulmate of Yrilet
Yeah, it's pretty much just a selfish power hungry fuck who doesn't really care about much other than themselves. The other reflections are characters who are absolutely and fully bought into the extremes of their choice, and if you are all in on one of the alignments then you don't meet that version of the Rogue Trader, because you are that version.
09:34 After the Void Shadows DLC and its update, your darkest hour and triumph is frequently mentioned with your background and origin world mentioned here and there
@@ICHBinCOOLERalsJemanI got several checks passed just because of my triumph and several checks instantly failing because of the darkest hour. Did you miss those?
@@Deuzen_FIN It's the Owlcat tradition. I think Rogue Trader is just shorter by a bit, but goddamn if I haven't started several playthroughs of Kingmaker and never finish them lol as a long time 40k fan, the setting is enough to offset feeling it overstays a bit; unfortunately, WOTR and Kingmaker don't have that help for me lol
As someone very into the lore, a Harlequin showing up with an ass pull get out of jail free card to get their favorite human pawn on the board of fate out of Commorragh is maybe the most Harlequin thing to do
Jae's story is pretty fun, plus there is a quest associated with her with your party waiting in line at the space "DMV" With 250+ hours, this game was so amazing and I find it a lot more fun/concise than the Pathfinder games. I can't wait for more DLC story expansions and a hopeful sequel. P.S. I never knew the relationship between Marazhai and Yremereyss, and the subplots with the said relationship. With all my playthroughs of this game, I always kill Marazhai the first chance I got. Thanks for this long but amazing video!!
I always side with him until I'm out of Commoragh, b/c enemy of my enemy and all that, but he and Yriliet get handed over to heinrix as soon as I'm back on the bridge,after I make yriliet think I've forgiven her because that's what you get when you betray me, and tbh, if the shoe was on the other foot she would immediately drop me
@@JackDittmann I want to roleplay and make rational decisions like that but each time I forgave her and kept her in my party. I'm such a softie. My first playthrough was this pragmatic psyker who was fine with breaking the rules but his motivation was always the good of the imperium. Thus keeping the xenos as my retainer was ok because the character was aware that as rogue trader he was one of few that were allowed this privilege and used it for the good.
Don't get how (at least storywise) you can see this better than Pathfinder games, which got at least quite the different story arcs, especially WotR. Meanwhile Rogue Trader - thanks to the WH40k setting - got evil, evil, good, with the two evil ones mainly just "you are the same disgusting asshole as everyeone else, so what you do doesn't really matter."
Marazhai: "Monkey, monkey, monkey" me: *drawing while listening to the video* "Man, dude really took a page out of Freeza's play-" Salt: *edits in Freeza's "Hello monkeys!" from Dragon Ball Super Broly* Me: "... Glad I'm not the only one."
the fidelio quest is really good, and the various different outcomes are great. for me, i pretended to be fidelio, passed all checks to keep up the charade, got baited into a trap and dropped into some kinda trash compactor, escaped, went back to the funeral and wound up slaughtering the lot because they tried to kill me. completely different experience
3:36:46 As someone who's dabbled in The Hobby since 4th Edition... If there was anyone that could manage such an "ass-pull rescue" from Commorragh, it would be a Solitaire of the Harlequins. Without him there to pull at strings to arrange the perfect outcome, you'd never have made it out in such good shape - which isn't even such a good shape considering what your party had to go through before even entertaining thought of an escape. It's an unbelievable, one-of-a-kind outcome for an unwanted visit to the Dark City, but one that falls just short of absurd thanks to the powers at play.
Exactly. Who cares about the stats, you need to look as high Gothic as possible. Is this las-pistol worse than the autopistol? Yes...but the autopistol doesn't sing the glorious hymns of the Emperor after every shot, so obviously it's inferior.
@@Mkrause762 Its very number crunchy but if you get deep into the mechanics it can be very satisfying as you realize that everyone can become absurdly broken and just demolish waves of enemies in a single round.
But WoTR makes you feel power as hell. One of the best moments was when you had a literal Divine Intervention to save you and it was amazing. Really gives you that power fantasy feeling.
People have likely already pointed this out but at 3:16:00 you state that the ''Drukhari Weapons" acted as a spoiler, but in the talents tree you can gain proficiency in Aeldari and Drukhari weaponry. (Though you didn't get Jae who first reveals this I believe, hence the delay in noticing)
You misunderstood Yrliet's situation. She as the Asuryani left long before the rest of the Aeldari birthed Slaanesh. Her people the rest of the craftworlds has nothing to the birth of Slaanesh. The Aeldari plot has nothing to do with Corruption. It appeard because of the governor. It quite literally was their worst of luck. Edit; I am. I am into Marazhai shit. I am also iconoclast 😂 But as long ad I AM holding HIS leash. And Yrliet. I just love my different flavours of space elves
Iirc the craftworlders left as a reaction to the behaviors that led to the birth of slaanesh, so the process was already underway, and at least a few of them were close enough to be caught in the birth scream
You misunderstand the Asuryani. They absolutely had everything to do with the birth of Slaanesh. Yes, the Craftworlders disconnected from Eldar society, but not before She Who Thirsts was already gestating in their species' minds. Yrliet's situation does indeed involve corruption, but not Chaos corruption. Dark Eldar corruption. She deserves the Emperor's mercy as much as the rest of her flawed and broken species.
Heretic run, but I wasn't brave enough to follow through with Maz's romance option. When the tentacled pain engine monstrosity became a permanent bedroom feature I decided it was better to stick with the blood cultist 😅.
I chose Iconoclast because being a benevolent ruler is just so alien to the 40k universe. I love how characters react to you being a good guy with a confused aura of "what the hell is wrong with you?" Dogmatic just makes you one among an uncountable number of fanatics and I refuse to be Heretical because Chaos is a boring-as-hell faction who's only good characters died during the Horus Heresy.
Exactly the problem. Iconoclast is the only path where you make a different. With Dogmatic and Heretic you are just another a**hole out of many and if you wouldn't do it, everyone else would.
I know I'm supposed to find Marazhai to be some kind of horrible monster, but I just get distracted listening to him speak. His VA just chews on the scenery and I love it. Also, the Solitaire speaks in pentameter, what a fucking nerd.
I usually only take him with me when I'm playing a heretic, because when Slanesh comes knocking on my door I can just tell her/him/it to have fun with Marazhai.
Rogue Trader, my beloved… Grabbed it on sale this year along with the dlc, haven’t been this hooked on a game since I played Witcher 3 for the first time.
I cannot thank you enough for these super indepth, deep dive videos. Love watching them in smaller chunks throughout the week, its like a little webseries. Great work as always, so glad I Found your channel!!
3 days ago I thought: It would be so cool to get a new salt factory video I binged through all your stuff while playing the last week's And there it is, thank you so much
I am so happy you covered Rogue Trader. As a Warhammer 40k lore fan, I love this game so much. There's some creative liberties taken of course, but this is such a nice Warhammer game!
To put the zeal of a sister of battle into perspective, since you said shes over the top, kommissars are scared of those sisters because theyre so fanatical. KOMMISSARS
and here I am, thinking Argenta is actually fairly reasonable for most Sisters. I mean, these are people who have manifested the Emperor's blessing into actual miracles. These are the soldiers who drop invasion Cathedrals into battlefields while dousing the earth with holy water from cruisers in low orbit, while vox casters blare litanies and prayers. They send their repentant Sisters into battle covered in only cloth and wielding a chainsword as a form of penitence, and they absolutely carve through enemy lines in droves. They are honestly the best of what humanity has to offer without going into cybernetics and mutations, base human peak performance. They're peak 40K and they shall know only total zeal.
On the topic of Aeldari racism: The prononciation of their favored insult is fairly fluid, usually alternating between "Mon-Key" and "Mon-Kai" interchangeably. As far as the difference between the Dark Aeldar and the normal Aeldari, the Dark Aeldar are more or less unwilling or incapable of giving up the hedonism and excess that defined the Aeldari race pre-Slanesh. The Aeldari proper took a look back at their big whoopsie and decided "Woe is us, we need to be better!" And refined their smug superiority to modern Bhuddist levels.
I thought the Dark Aeldar HAD to keep being evil sadists to stave off Slaanesh, because if they stopped they’d be instantly consumed. Fairly new to the lore though, so I don’t really know.
@@jamesbridgman7298 You're correct. Slaneesh already has a hold on the souls of the Dark Aeldari, and is slowly leeching them for just existing. It's why they (the Dark Aeldari) torture and be sadists, because it's the only way for them to refill their souls and avoid Slaneesh consuming them whole. They don't have the spirit stones and the Infinity Circuit of the Craftworld Aeldari to protect them from Slaneesh, or Cegorach's protection over the Harlequins. The Drukhari are trapped on a boat punctured with holes, and no matter how much water they throw overboard, it'll eventually come to a point where the boat starts sinking.
They do also enjoy it though. They are, after all, the descendants of the eldar culture that unwittingly created Slaanesh in their image. I see them as a kind of agony vampires. Yes, they need to do it, but it also feels so good.
I know someone probably already mentioned it, but you don't ever see the alternate reality version of your own path. You didn't get to see the Iconoclast copy. That was a copy of a version of you that never had a dominant ideology. I played my first run without a dominant ideology and the Iconoclast copy showed up for me. They're very nice. You can tell who is who based on the companion by their side, the Iconoclast copy's companion is Abelard, and I believe the no path one has no companion. It's to mirror the choice at the beginning of the game where Abelard, Idira, and Argenta give you an option corresponding to each of the three main paths.
I'm pretty sure the reason your Blockbuster manager didn't want you on register was they thought you might be interested in partaking some self-service tipping. Make that definitely if they cut your hours like that.
I need you to know that my wife and I always listen to your videos to fall asleep, we've prolly listened to every video 10 times by now. Needless to say were very excited for this one! Maybe metro or starfield next?
Honestly, as a 40k veteran at this point, i found that (pertaining to your later point) the depth of existing lore helped to uplift the stories of the characters that you follow, despite the occasional shortcoming. In particular I found Argenta's last quest to be almost farcical with the sudden fade-to-black followed by reemergence with some sick-ass power armour. You did miss on some good comic relief without Jae on your team, but she doesn't really contribute to the story as a whole, I found. Nevertheless, I was never able to make Pasqal as busted as you did, my mechanical bullshittery consisted of stacking as much stuff on Argenta as possible then hosing everything down with a heavy bolter. Which was satisfying in its own way! Currently working through my heretical playthrough, and looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
They nerfed Argenta at least twice and she's still busted. Thats what arch-militant tends to do when buffed by an officer, and I had two of each (Abelard and Argenta, RT and Cassia). Master tactician breaks it even further, if you give the inquisition ring to Cassia-strategist, who always goes first.
So from what I understand the deal w/ the Harlequin asking you to rescue the Aeldari is that despite the fact they are batshit insane they are still fighting against Slaanesh and trying to save their race, and having the Drukhari kidnap and murder a bunch of them kinda crossing a line for them. You do not HAVE to help them, but you do HAVE to help someone to get them to open the gate and get you out of the city. That can Either be Marazhai or the Harlequin/Aeldari or both. Not sure if there is other options beyond that though.
To be fair, others (and Jae already does) can use drukari/aeldari weaponry too. You just need to buy Knowledge: Xenos once to unlock ability to buy talents for wielding those, so its still valid
You know, I knew about the name Abelard long before this game, based on some Medieval philosopher that I read in college history courses. I really liked the name, so I decided to use it to name my rogue trader... More then a little confusing.
I've completed a fire only run in Rogue Trader. It was fun but frustrating at times until i decided to allow Melta's Planning to do a pyscker only run soon
@@ZeroNumerous Argenta was busted beyond belief at the start. Like you get to fire dozens upon dozens of shots in the first turn and every hit would increase the damage of all the subsequent hits.
"I really went with WWI and II's greatest hits" Welcome to 40k. In 40k, that's called Tuesday. And you better don't ask what shenanigans can go on, on any other day that ends in Y.
I have never had any sort of interest in Warhammer but I will watch this video from beginning to end. PS hope the now-slightly-larger family is doing well, Salt!
I can't believe I watched a 6 hour video on a game I have never heard of based on a series I only know by name. But how Salt summarizes the story, it makes it easy to understand and interesting to learn.
Marazhai has such an amazing voice actor that even if he were reading a few lines from a wiki article, he'd still sound like a magnificent bastard while doing it.
You mad lad. I just checked your channel a few weeks ago and hadn't seen anything new. Then the day after act man posts a video about this game you hit us with this CHONKY boi. I'm so fuckin pumped. I'm at the end of my playthrough. 315 hours currently and I'm about to pass the point of no return. I love this game so much. Flaws and all. I hope other people give it a try. It's severely underappreciated for essentially being Baldurs Gate in 40k
@@marley7868 Because diplomacy means to have the participants see everyone as equal to get to a fair agreement that's suitable for all. Aeldari don't think anyone else in the galaxy is their equal - they genuinely believe everyone else is a primate at best, and are physically and psychologically disgusted by us. People think that the Yrliet romance is just her not wanting to touch, but it's more than that, it's like asking a human to kiss a monkey. Y'all ain't kissing no monkeys
@kenjinpiniteu except human/Eldar pairings are canon, if not extremely rare, and her character growth arc should start with her realizing that holding that notion is extremely foolish.
@@TheWonkster I mean, pretty much every single human simply wants to genocide ALL xenos, so it's not even monkeys, it's insane murder monkeys - who also constantly murder each other. From Aeldar perspectiv humans are just as corrupt as Drukhari - but for no reason at all. Drukhari at least survive via all the suffering they create, humans meanwhile only deform the warp with it and make chaos stronger and that without any of it giving them magical protection from a chaos god, in contrary. So it's not even just monkeys, it's like having a monkey who behaves like a psychopathic killer, who is not even killing to survive, but for fun.
Such an awesome game, all the different meaningful decisions and their respective consequences are just a delight to experience. I mean, stuff that would be generic roleplaying fluff in most games has some serious and unforseen consequences hours later into a playthrough. Simply awesome.
Something a lot of people never seem to mention or even talk about is how the 2000ad titles such as Nemesis the warlock strips heavily influenced the 40k series.
Oh wow, wasn't expecting you to cover an owlcat game, perhaps you would be interested in doing Pathfinder? Preferably the 2nd one, Wrath of the Righteous?
@TheSaltFactory yeah Pathfinder is huge, with soo many different options, if this one is basically 6 hours, Pathfinder would be like 8 xD but good to know hopefully you get to it one day, is one of my favorite games
@@TheSaltFactory I'd heavily suggest Wrath of the Righteous over Kingmaker. Both are kind of broken in different ways, but at least Wrath is turn based from the start. Kingmaker requires a mod to be turn based.
@@ZeroNumerousi think turn based was added as a free update later, but i would suggest WOTR anyway because it's a much more complete and comfortable game thanks to the team's experience from working on Kingmaker (plus Kingmaker had its support and dlc forcibly cut by Owlcat's publisher)
1:45:50 oh noooo. You missed one of the best quests in the game where you have to fight your biggest enemy yet the... Bureaucracy! Honestly wonderful quest where because of some well bureaucratic shenanigans you cant use your rogue trader status and are forced to wait in a queue for a veryyy long time. Hilarious and awesome quest
Mate, great review as always, I'm very happy to have found your channel years ago, one of my all time favourites And a separate thank you for the longer review format, bloody love me some 6 hours of narrative goodness! Good luck to you and happy New Year!)
Abelard, present 'A novel crammed into a RUclips comment' for me! "Thank you for creating this video, such a nice christmas gift. Rogue Trader quickly elevated itself in my eyes to be one of the top5 Rpgs of all time, especially after Wrath of the Righteous. It has to be one of the best cast of companions Ive interacted with, all fitting into the lore. If I tried gushing about them, Id be here all day. With all their personal quests, and post-credits scenes, they really emphasized these people have their own lives, theyre not all dependent on every word you as the protagonist breathe. Safe to say, we got not one, but TWO Arueshalaes this time in Cassia and Yrliet for the price of one. Heinrix and Abelard are also personal favorites of mine. And Marazhai is hilarious every time he speaks in the most morbid way imaginable. And by the God-Emperor, were they faithful to the lore. Now Ive heard some real diehard fans argue about details and they got fair points, but it still feels like 40k at the end of the day, so Im sold. It feels good, from the atmosphere to the portraits to the music to the maps to the scope of the campaign, its all grand and epic and thematic. And by all the Chaos Gods, the choices for enemies. Tzeentch? Yes! Necrons? Yes! Dark Eldar with an entire Commorragh sequence? Hell yes! All these races are so underrepresented in 40k media it feels like, and these are the perfect races to do an RPG with. These races think, theyre devious, theyre planners, theyre smarter and wiser than most humans ever could hope to be, even in this setting. (Its a miracle Tzeentch got a 2nd debut this year with Space Marine2, another 40k masterpiece. Just as planned, some might say.) Maybe havent played enough games, but just the fact of not having money as a system, just buying out stuff based on reputation is such a cool and unique idea. Or the officer class who isnt doing anything by themselves, but heavily buffs others. Using the Warp summons in demons randomly. The three-way allegiance system where you can roleplay a normal person in 40k and everyone will look at you like an idiot or an oddity. There are so many of these great and unusual ideas in this game, that Im more than willing to look past its minor mistakes and bugs which get ironed out slowly but surely anyway. Cant wait to see what else Owlcat cooks up for this game, and for the future. (Argenta romance when?) They didnt get as big as Larian, but god they deserve the AAA budget for these games. The voice actors did a stellar job as is with the limited voice lines."
56:20 "It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?" - Guilliman to Dante in Devastation of Baal
Great video Salt. A pity you missed out on Jae, she’s kind of a perfect fit for the crime lord-Iconoclast path. Part of her loyalty quest involving a trip to the Administratum is peak humor for this game.
I am literally going live playing this in 25 mins when you posted this. Apart of me wants to go "Woops, sorry guys I am not feeling it tonight" just so I can watch a video on the same game XD
Not even a day ago was thinking "been a minute since a new Salt Factory video" so this was a very welcome surprise. I legit had no idea this game was even a thing but I also didn't get back into PC gaming until I finally got a new gaming computer this past summer.
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A novel crammed into a CRPG
A novel crammed into a RUclips video
A novel crammed into a RUclips comment
@@cesaresp.9985 not long enough for the joke to land
Appreciation for intellectual humour, crammed into the grey that fills in the outline of a thumb
I didnt realize the length until i read this comment 🤣
@@Actualimmolator "How long could it possibly be anyw-" *video is 6 hours long* "Okay then".
Mother of God... I thought nothing would be longer than the Inquisition video, granted I'm here for it, the more Salt the better
Seriously, I look at the time and thought I went to a Mauler video on Star Wars. lol
Hello Nezbit, much love dude
norbit...
A Nerbit Rogue Trader video would go unbelievably hard
Waiting on the nerbit rogue trader video
"Abelard, watch this 6 hour long video and give me a summary."
"Understood, Abelard, leave a like and subscribe"
Best comment!
Stretching the video to hit the 10 min mark...
The subtle art of "padding"
I’m dead
@@PatrickdaawsomeAAAOOORNAAAUU
Crap, anyone know if a toddler can go 6 hours without parental supervision?!
Not if you want to return to a house that's still standing!
Stop about each hour... they sleep for that long right?
Just listen for it to get real quiet if does they 100% doing something bad ...
Facts. 7 hrs ago I had a house , wife, kid, and cat. Damn good video
Just put it in the dog cage,they love it there.
The thing with the ending of Chapter 3 is that it ENTIRELY makes sense within the lore that a Harlequin of his stature could pull that off. Because it's not just ANY Harlequin, it's a Solitaire. Solitaires take normal Harlequins and make them look subpar, because Solitaires embody Slaanesh in their plays. They kind of tap into the Eldar's biggest fear, and basically no Eldar, not even most Archons, are willing to tick off a Solitaire. They effectively have free reign to do anything they wish, because they have the strength to back it up in Dark Eldar land and the normal Eldar respect them sufficiently.
It's interesting how the status of the Solitaires within Eldar society mirrors that of the Rogue Trader. Obviously there are taxonomical differences, but they serve very similar roles as galivanting corsairs with little oversight. It really shows how much history in 40k repeats itself, as different species ascend, stagnate, and fall. It happened with the Eldar, it's happening to humanity, and it'll happen to the T'au.
@@gallow_walkerThe really interesting thing comes in the fact that the Solitaires act with the knowledge that their society has already fallen and is circling the drain, and as such, every action they commit is just, because they can. No real greater reason, just a drive to do whatever they can, however they can.
Because if your world is ending, why quibble over the details?
@@WeyrleaderFallaner ohhh dude i never notice that he was a solitaire....now it make sense that he could do all that stuff
For reference, Solitaires can 1v1 Custodians. So yeah, they're a big fuckin deal
@@lol_vevo
Nope, only someone like Captain Generals can deal with them.
U know that Solitaire can take on Greater Daemon to survive or win.
In the Battle of Lion Gate, 2 Tribunes were dead against the Greater Daemon they fought through their units managed to banish them. Only The current Captain General banished his Daemon without dying. That is a battle they fought alongside the other part of the Talons so the Daemons were nerfed quite a bit. The battle was the biggest losses for Custodes ever since the Heresy with thousand dead and many couldn't be saved as they didn't have enough Dreadnoughts.
"Abelard. Announce the Rogue Trader is pleased with the results."
"We'll rule the stars themselves!"
Rogue Trader is suddenly on everyone's tongue. It's good to see that this awesome game has some recognition. Abelard, like this video for me.
I think recently Owlcat must have sponsered the game for some people not that I am complaining
I legit didn't even know it was a thing until this video popped up. Granted I've been out of the loop with PC gaming for the last 5 or 6 years until recently, having picked up a Steam Deck and built a new gaming computer in late spring. And I legit picked up this up after a touch of research and it runs gloriously on the Deck.
Yeah this game is really good. I tend to go back and play from time to time so I’m glad it’s getting some attention. It went under a lot of people’s radar
To be fair, their other games, especially WotR are better, simply by the fact of the material alone.
Big problem with WH40k setting is, that pretty much everything is just evil.
In Rogue Trade you can play fanatic evil (dogmatic), chaotic evil (heretic) what both just puts you on the same level as pretty much everyone else or completly out of place with iconoclast, where you pretty much act like a decent human being that is not just utterly crazy, what feels like the biggest impact, but also a bit ridiculous, since the most reaction you get from the NPC is utter disbelief (from both evil sides).
WotR meanwhile, even with some of the choices limited, really gives you quite the different pathes, several good, several neutral, several evil - and those evil pathes are actually evil and not just "well, yeah, you do the same disgusting shit as everyone else, so who cares".
It's quite comical when you get into the oh so evil space 'drow' city and when you think about - it's not really that much different to what the Empire is doing, with the main difference that the Drukhari got an actual reason for being evil, since they survive by that pain and suffering, while the Empire is evil for no purpose at all, actually even the opposite, since of course billions of suffering humans massively empower chaos and make it way worse in its attitude.
@miriamweller812 well, it's called Grimdark for a reason. I don't have a problem with dark and depressing setting of the Warhammer universe simply because my life isn't that far away from it. And even though in games such as Baldur's Gate 3 I do prefer to play as a Neutral Good character, because it's pretty much the only place where I can find and do something good for virtual people that are still appreciate it, Warhammer just feels like home to me. Dark, hopeless and unforgiving.
The fact that "Space Crusade" was first advertised for children as a fun board game is what surprises me the absolute most in 1991.
Ah yes the 90's in the UK where it's fictional, it's for kids.
Seriously, I got Terminator 2 and Aliens kids toys. Because as a pre-teen those were appropriate.
@@theghostoftom I mean, Terminator and Alien were kinda cool franchises (maybe the more dubious one was Alien due to the gore in the burstchester scene) and I could see it being marketed to children
But we are talking about a franchise where there is only pain, The Chaos Gods exist and etc.
Nowadays GW correctly advertises to middle aged walle... I mean, people who have money to buy figurines and follow the lore.
@shroomer3867 there were actually a series of children books for both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k that came out in the past couple of years. They are very werid in how they balance the darkness (which the books definitely have it's moments from what I been told) of the setting and well being a kid book. It kind of reminds me of Warriors Cats and how that series led me into A Song Of Ice and Fire
Many R rated movies we're turned into cartoons for kids.
@@theghostoftom My auntie taped Aliens for me, and Starship Troopers.
I was 8-9.
They are now my two favourite films, and she used to play the older GW games, great Aunt she is.
My reaction: "Oh this is nice, a Salt Factory Rogue trader video, fun"
(After character creation) "15 minutes in, huh? I suppose it is a first impressions video...?"
(Looking at video length) "6 HOURS??????"
and it's pretty damn condensed... I haven't finished the game yet, but I've already clocked in 200 hours between beta and release :D
I'm 39 minutes in, and I JUST realized it's 6 hours long, lol.
Why would you think that? He has tons of videos that are multiple hours long
5:29:44 A slight correction. A Glorious Reflection is not an Iconoclast, it's a Rogue trader who has no dominant conviction or has all three convictions at equal level. If you play any other conviction other the Iconoclast, you actually meet Iconoclast reflection and they are as heroic and good meaning as you would expect.
"Wonder what will take him so long to analyze! Or what will be the first thing he expla-"
*Salt starts explaining the lore behind the Imperium and Rogue Traders*
"Ah, that answers all questions"
He should get Luetin to collab, they would end this with a couple of 24h videos
The prologue dialogue was voice acted in a later update so it used to be silent. Theodora didn't have a single line voiced in prologue originally. They also re-enacted Idira's lines, well some of them. That's why some of it may have felt lacking.
I wonder how much voice acting got added with patch 1.3
@@rafalos-zx6gomostly for banters between kibellah and other companions from what I saw
shows you really how much can dishpoor Russian developers do with lots of passion for the project and then keep getting it better with accumulated sales.
Point of order: an infinity circuit is not a generator. More like a computer. It holds all the souls of every Eldar of that craftworld and it is the magic stuff that keeps the giant world ship going. In times of war they even pull souls out to fashion Wraithguard and Wraith Lords and other constructs, animated by the dead, to fight. It is a very important part of Eldar culture, since it is the only thing they have for an afterlife that isn't an infinity of torture.
That's true, but it powering the craftworlds is probably the best explanation an alderai would give a human.
Yeah, no aeldari would ever tell a human what the infinity circuit actually does.@@Bluelyre
I like to compare it to a Matrix, an artificial afterlife reality. However, it does also iirc provide power.
@@boyanpenev9822I kind of thought it was more like the containment unit from Ghostbusters. The souls of the dead Eldar are stored in the Craft World's infinity circuit, and as long as they're in there, She Who Thirsts can't devour them. They also have plenty of company in there. But if they take your soul out to stick in a wraithguard, and that wraithguard is destroyed, you're probably going to be a snack for Slaanesh.
I could be wrong. I'm no expert on Eldar.
@@AliceBowie the soulstones can work like that, yes. Although if the craftworld infinity circuit is destroyed, Slaanesh does get them. For the wraithguard, I think the body has a spirit stone backup, but I might be wrong. And even if it is, it can be broken. It is said the eldar do not enjoy having to bring out the wraith golems, the bodily wastes have to hit the fan pretty hard for Granny Miime to be handed a D-cannon again.
So far in the video, I've gotten to you saying that you like to play the good guy and will be sticking with Iconoclast, which I'm really happy to hear. Playing as a good guy in this game is really fun given how depressing WH40K is, so being able to show other people basic human compassion and empathy, along with helping whoever you can, is just cathartic. I've always appreciated how OwlCat Games has the NPC's in their games be supportive of your actions for being a good person, and I think they did a fantastic job in this one. Thank you for the 6 hour video as well! The interactions with the Aeldari and Drukhari as an Iconoclast funny as hell sometimes-
Aeldari: "You Monkeigh are beneath us, all you do is destroy and burn, and we just want to live here in peace. If you do not leave, we will be forced to-"
Me, Iconoclast: "Sure, we can work together."
Aeldari: "remove you from this... wait, what?"
Some could argue that in the setting the dogmatic playthrough is the truly good one 😅
Playing iconoclast is pretty much the only way that you give your character any meaning, else you are just like the rest, so if you wouldn't be there, someone else would do all the disgusting shit, so who cares?
And its pretty fun to see everyone thinking that you've become mad or crazy just being a good person, hilarious!
"Almond-shaped human"
Yrliet passed herself as an almond-shaped human. That description killed me & now that phrase lives in my head rent free.
Take my subscription.
It was interesting to hear how Salt's introduction to Heinrix was: laden with seemingly heavy suspicion.
My char was a sanctioned psyker & had a more friendly interaction in comparison along the lines of, "Hey we followed some heretics to the Zappy Church & like your work Heinrix, care to join us?"
He came off as more inclined to work with me.
1:40:10 Damn the Fidelio quest is even better than I though. When I did it I pretended to be Fidelio at the beggining and it led to a comedy of errors where you have to survive multiple assassination attempt from guests trying to kill you for the inheritance, and during that time the rogue tradder and their retinue get progressively more and more annoyed that they got mixed up in some inheritance drama they couldn't care less about, just because of one stupid lie at the beggining.
It was a really funny quest, I really liked the ending : you finally managed to convience everyone you're not Fidelio and you lied, you then talk to the priest and finally get to ask the question "Who in the name of the golden throne is Fidelio ?!". And in this path of the quest the priest doesn't tell you, you never learn who the person you impersonnated was or why they got the inheriance xD
I'm really impressed that this quest has also a completely different serious version who's just as good, I really should replay this game once they're done updating it.
Aberlard, cancel all my appointments for today.
5:30:00 arrogant reflection is not iconoclast, it's basically indecisive Protag, who has all alignments up to level 2 and not commiting to a single one
Iconoclast reflection is a softie who fucked up hard while having good intentions, also backed up by his version of abelard and is a soulmate of Yrilet
Fucked up? When i talked to iconoclast reflection, he said he basically created a safe heaven, where people are treated like human beings.
Yeah, it's pretty much just a selfish power hungry fuck who doesn't really care about much other than themselves. The other reflections are characters who are absolutely and fully bought into the extremes of their choice, and if you are all in on one of the alignments then you don't meet that version of the Rogue Trader, because you are that version.
09:34 After the Void Shadows DLC and its update, your darkest hour and triumph is frequently mentioned with your background and origin world mentioned here and there
frequent is a stretch, its now mentioned more than once
@@ICHBinCOOLERalsJemanI got several checks passed just because of my triumph and several checks instantly failing because of the darkest hour.
Did you miss those?
@@ICHBinCOOLERalsJemanits mentioned 29 times in the first two acts and a 15 times in act 3 and 4
@@ultimatejin1108that's good since it wasn't really mentioned that much before
Owlcat has a incredible talent of taking TTRPGs rules and making giant worlds for you to explore.
Also, this game is multi-player and I hope future owlcat games keep that. It's rad.
Sometimes a bit too giant.
As magnificent of a game as WotR is, it does overstay its welcome a bit.
@@Deuzen_FIN It's the Owlcat tradition. I think Rogue Trader is just shorter by a bit, but goddamn if I haven't started several playthroughs of Kingmaker and never finish them lol as a long time 40k fan, the setting is enough to offset feeling it overstays a bit; unfortunately, WOTR and Kingmaker don't have that help for me lol
As someone very into the lore, a Harlequin showing up with an ass pull get out of jail free card to get their favorite human pawn on the board of fate out of Commorragh is maybe the most Harlequin thing to do
Jae's story is pretty fun, plus there is a quest associated with her with your party waiting in line at the space "DMV"
With 250+ hours, this game was so amazing and I find it a lot more fun/concise than the Pathfinder games. I can't wait for more DLC story expansions and a hopeful sequel.
P.S. I never knew the relationship between Marazhai and Yremereyss, and the subplots with the said relationship. With all my playthroughs of this game, I always kill Marazhai the first chance I got. Thanks for this long but amazing video!!
I always side with him until I'm out of Commoragh, b/c enemy of my enemy and all that, but he and Yriliet get handed over to heinrix as soon as I'm back on the bridge,after I make yriliet think I've forgiven her because that's what you get when you betray me, and tbh, if the shoe was on the other foot she would immediately drop me
@@JackDittmann I want to roleplay and make rational decisions like that but each time I forgave her and kept her in my party. I'm such a softie. My first playthrough was this pragmatic psyker who was fine with breaking the rules but his motivation was always the good of the imperium. Thus keeping the xenos as my retainer was ok because the character was aware that as rogue trader he was one of few that were allowed this privilege and used it for the good.
Don't get how (at least storywise) you can see this better than Pathfinder games, which got at least quite the different story arcs, especially WotR.
Meanwhile Rogue Trader - thanks to the WH40k setting - got evil, evil, good, with the two evil ones mainly just "you are the same disgusting asshole as everyeone else, so what you do doesn't really matter."
Bro there's no content for 250 hours, you stayed afk or sum? For 180 hours?
Marazhai: "Monkey, monkey, monkey"
me: *drawing while listening to the video* "Man, dude really took a page out of Freeza's play-"
Salt: *edits in Freeza's "Hello monkeys!" from Dragon Ball Super Broly*
Me: "... Glad I'm not the only one."
Timestmamp?
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@@xenamorphwinner7931 watch the video
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the fidelio quest is really good, and the various different outcomes are great. for me, i pretended to be fidelio, passed all checks to keep up the charade, got baited into a trap and dropped into some kinda trash compactor, escaped, went back to the funeral and wound up slaughtering the lot because they tried to kill me. completely different experience
3:36:46 As someone who's dabbled in The Hobby since 4th Edition...
If there was anyone that could manage such an "ass-pull rescue" from Commorragh, it would be a Solitaire of the Harlequins.
Without him there to pull at strings to arrange the perfect outcome, you'd never have made it out in such good shape - which isn't even such a good shape considering what your party had to go through before even entertaining thought of an escape.
It's an unbelievable, one-of-a-kind outcome for an unwanted visit to the Dark City, but one that falls just short of absurd thanks to the powers at play.
7:39 This is warhammer, picking drip over substance is the most onbrand thing you could do in-universe
Exactly. Who cares about the stats, you need to look as high Gothic as possible. Is this las-pistol worse than the autopistol? Yes...but the autopistol doesn't sing the glorious hymns of the Emperor after every shot, so obviously it's inferior.
Our boi Salt being a good husband and father then drops a 6 hour video right before Christmas. Freaking mad lad.
Abelard, give Salt his own Retinue and make him an honorary Rogue Trader
Yes Lord Captain.
Oh my god salt I never thought you’d cover an owlcat game, this is gonna be incredible.
I love rogue trader but I tried wrath of the righteous and the combat was really unappealing to me maybe that's the case here
The timing of this is perfect because I just got into Kingmaker recently 😂
@@Mkrause762 Its very number crunchy but if you get deep into the mechanics it can be very satisfying as you realize that everyone can become absurdly broken and just demolish waves of enemies in a single round.
But WoTR makes you feel power as hell. One of the best moments was when you had a literal Divine Intervention to save you and it was amazing. Really gives you that power fantasy feeling.
@@blazer168 yes during the attack on the fort in the prologue.
People have likely already pointed this out but at 3:16:00 you state that the ''Drukhari Weapons" acted as a spoiler, but in the talents tree you can gain proficiency in Aeldari and Drukhari weaponry. (Though you didn't get Jae who first reveals this I believe, hence the delay in noticing)
"Electricity has to come from somewhere peasants"
With this one line you got me to laugh out loud in the middle of a work day
Bro I gotta be somewhat productive today…
I made it 2 hours into your video and I realized I want this game! Keep up the good work Salt!! I promise to come back once I play it for myself.
You misunderstood Yrliet's situation. She as the Asuryani left long before the rest of the Aeldari birthed Slaanesh. Her people the rest of the craftworlds has nothing to the birth of Slaanesh.
The Aeldari plot has nothing to do with Corruption. It appeard because of the governor. It quite literally was their worst of luck.
Edit; I am. I am into Marazhai shit. I am also iconoclast 😂 But as long ad I AM holding HIS leash. And Yrliet. I just love my different flavours of space elves
Iirc the craftworlders left as a reaction to the behaviors that led to the birth of slaanesh, so the process was already underway, and at least a few of them were close enough to be caught in the birth scream
You misunderstand the Asuryani. They absolutely had everything to do with the birth of Slaanesh.
Yes, the Craftworlders disconnected from Eldar society, but not before She Who Thirsts was already gestating in their species' minds. Yrliet's situation does indeed involve corruption, but not Chaos corruption. Dark Eldar corruption. She deserves the Emperor's mercy as much as the rest of her flawed and broken species.
" I am into Marazhai shit" Translation; "I can fix him"
Heretic run, but I wasn't brave enough to follow through with Maz's romance option. When the tentacled pain engine monstrosity became a permanent bedroom feature I decided it was better to stick with the blood cultist 😅.
I lioed them both as perfect sparring partners for competitive space racism. 😂
Can’t wait to watch this every night for the next month
I chose Iconoclast because being a benevolent ruler is just so alien to the 40k universe. I love how characters react to you being a good guy with a confused aura of "what the hell is wrong with you?" Dogmatic just makes you one among an uncountable number of fanatics and I refuse to be Heretical because Chaos is a boring-as-hell faction who's only good characters died during the Horus Heresy.
Exactly the problem. Iconoclast is the only path where you make a different. With Dogmatic and Heretic you are just another a**hole out of many and if you wouldn't do it, everyone else would.
What is this? a almost 6 hour long video about my favorite Warhammer 40k game? who needs sleep anyway! time to watch the whole video in one go.
Warhammer + 6 hour video = W formula. I imagine we won’t get another upload till next year, have a nice Christmas my guy thanks for the content.
I know I'm supposed to find Marazhai to be some kind of horrible monster, but I just get distracted listening to him speak. His VA just chews on the scenery and I love it. Also, the Solitaire speaks in pentameter, what a fucking nerd.
I usually only take him with me when I'm playing a heretic, because when Slanesh comes knocking on my door I can just tell her/him/it to have fun with Marazhai.
@@antialpaka1186when you trying to change him in good playthrough he killing everyone in ending
Rogue Trader, my beloved…
Grabbed it on sale this year along with the dlc, haven’t been this hooked on a game since I played Witcher 3 for the first time.
I cannot thank you enough for these super indepth, deep dive videos. Love watching them in smaller chunks throughout the week, its like a little webseries.
Great work as always, so glad I Found your channel!!
I'm praying to the Omnissiah that this video remains unbothered by the RUclips overlords.
Inniating praying protocol to appeal to youtube's machine spirit.
Well he mentioned that Owlcat is officially sponsoring this video.
So yeah Games Workshop will definitely be trying to copyright strike it.
3 days ago I thought: It would be so cool to get a new salt factory video
I binged through all your stuff while playing the last week's
And there it is, thank you so much
I was wondering when a next video was coming out earlier today😂
I am so happy you covered Rogue Trader. As a Warhammer 40k lore fan, I love this game so much. There's some creative liberties taken of course, but this is such a nice Warhammer game!
To put the zeal of a sister of battle into perspective, since you said shes over the top, kommissars are scared of those sisters because theyre so fanatical. KOMMISSARS
Tbf it was mostly commissar cain..and hes cain
and here I am, thinking Argenta is actually fairly reasonable for most Sisters.
I mean, these are people who have manifested the Emperor's blessing into actual miracles. These are the soldiers who drop invasion Cathedrals into battlefields while dousing the earth with holy water from cruisers in low orbit, while vox casters blare litanies and prayers. They send their repentant Sisters into battle covered in only cloth and wielding a chainsword as a form of penitence, and they absolutely carve through enemy lines in droves. They are honestly the best of what humanity has to offer without going into cybernetics and mutations, base human peak performance.
They're peak 40K and they shall know only total zeal.
A step closer to Salt Factory discussing Owlcats peak game Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous.
On the topic of Aeldari racism:
The prononciation of their favored insult is fairly fluid, usually alternating between "Mon-Key" and "Mon-Kai" interchangeably. As far as the difference between the Dark Aeldar and the normal Aeldari, the Dark Aeldar are more or less unwilling or incapable of giving up the hedonism and excess that defined the Aeldari race pre-Slanesh. The Aeldari proper took a look back at their big whoopsie and decided "Woe is us, we need to be better!" And refined their smug superiority to modern Bhuddist levels.
I thought the Dark Aeldar HAD to keep being evil sadists to stave off Slaanesh, because if they stopped they’d be instantly consumed. Fairly new to the lore though, so I don’t really know.
@@jamesbridgman7298 You're correct. Slaneesh already has a hold on the souls of the Dark Aeldari, and is slowly leeching them for just existing. It's why they (the Dark Aeldari) torture and be sadists, because it's the only way for them to refill their souls and avoid Slaneesh consuming them whole. They don't have the spirit stones and the Infinity Circuit of the Craftworld Aeldari to protect them from Slaneesh, or Cegorach's protection over the Harlequins.
The Drukhari are trapped on a boat punctured with holes, and no matter how much water they throw overboard, it'll eventually come to a point where the boat starts sinking.
They do also enjoy it though. They are, after all, the descendants of the eldar culture that unwittingly created Slaanesh in their image.
I see them as a kind of agony vampires. Yes, they need to do it, but it also feels so good.
I know someone probably already mentioned it, but you don't ever see the alternate reality version of your own path. You didn't get to see the Iconoclast copy. That was a copy of a version of you that never had a dominant ideology. I played my first run without a dominant ideology and the Iconoclast copy showed up for me. They're very nice. You can tell who is who based on the companion by their side, the Iconoclast copy's companion is Abelard, and I believe the no path one has no companion. It's to mirror the choice at the beginning of the game where Abelard, Idira, and Argenta give you an option corresponding to each of the three main paths.
I'm pretty sure the reason your Blockbuster manager didn't want you on register was they thought you might be interested in partaking some self-service tipping. Make that definitely if they cut your hours like that.
"Vox Master RUclips, pull Susan out of the Void and deliver her 50 lashes for not notifying me that the video came out."
Damn 2 to 3 extra hours I'm not used to. Gonna wait till i get home for this bad boy. Not gonna ruin it here at work.
I need you to know that my wife and I always listen to your videos to fall asleep, we've prolly listened to every video 10 times by now. Needless to say were very excited for this one!
Maybe metro or starfield next?
Honestly, as a 40k veteran at this point, i found that (pertaining to your later point) the depth of existing lore helped to uplift the stories of the characters that you follow, despite the occasional shortcoming. In particular I found Argenta's last quest to be almost farcical with the sudden fade-to-black followed by reemergence with some sick-ass power armour. You did miss on some good comic relief without Jae on your team, but she doesn't really contribute to the story as a whole, I found.
Nevertheless, I was never able to make Pasqal as busted as you did, my mechanical bullshittery consisted of stacking as much stuff on Argenta as possible then hosing everything down with a heavy bolter. Which was satisfying in its own way!
Currently working through my heretical playthrough, and looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
They nerfed Argenta at least twice and she's still busted.
Thats what arch-militant tends to do when buffed by an officer, and I had two of each (Abelard and Argenta, RT and Cassia). Master tactician breaks it even further, if you give the inquisition ring to Cassia-strategist, who always goes first.
5 (almost 6) hours? Glory to the Von Valancius!!!
So from what I understand the deal w/ the Harlequin asking you to rescue the Aeldari is that despite the fact they are batshit insane they are still fighting against Slaanesh and trying to save their race, and having the Drukhari kidnap and murder a bunch of them kinda crossing a line for them. You do not HAVE to help them, but you do HAVE to help someone to get them to open the gate and get you out of the city. That can Either be Marazhai or the Harlequin/Aeldari or both. Not sure if there is other options beyond that though.
To be fair, others (and Jae already does) can use drukari/aeldari weaponry too. You just need to buy Knowledge: Xenos once to unlock ability to buy talents for wielding those, so its still valid
You know, I knew about the name Abelard long before this game, based on some Medieval philosopher that I read in college history courses. I really liked the name, so I decided to use it to name my rogue trader...
More then a little confusing.
Thats so funny hope he was your best bro
Game like this where you play ether an inguisitor or an interrogator would be sick
Dark heresy would be an incredible follow up for owlcat
Where you would deal in the severan domina would be a realy cool setting for it aswell from dark heresy
Honestly the final boss NOT being related to the local chaos cult is a good thing, so many 40k games end up being like that!
I've completed a fire only run in Rogue Trader. It was fun but frustrating at times until i decided to allow Melta's
Planning to do a pyscker only run soon
I remember my first playthrough my reaction to the final boss was HOW THE FUCK AM I MEANT TO FIGHT A C'TAN SHARD
@@Blandy8521 My first playthrough's reaction was "Oh just a C'tan?" and Argenta proceeded to gun it down in two turns.
@@ZeroNumerous lmao
@@ZeroNumerous Argenta was busted beyond belief at the start. Like you get to fire dozens upon dozens of shots in the first turn and every hit would increase the damage of all the subsequent hits.
I wanna use a commissar with the corrupted inferno pistol but all I make now is blade dancer biomancers
I appreciate your explanations of the elements of a game you're reviewing. It lets me enjoy your content without having a clue about the game
Holy shit that runtime! This is gonna be fun!
"I really went with WWI and II's greatest hits"
Welcome to 40k. In 40k, that's called Tuesday.
And you better don't ask what shenanigans can go on, on any other day that ends in Y.
I have never had any sort of interest in Warhammer but I will watch this video from beginning to end.
PS hope the now-slightly-larger family is doing well, Salt!
Honestly, same. Never cared about warhammer, but now I’m thinking of buying this game.
I can't believe I watched a 6 hour video on a game I have never heard of based on a series I only know by name. But how Salt summarizes the story, it makes it easy to understand and interesting to learn.
I was not expecting salt to make a video on a game from my favorite devs. I am really looking forwards to this.
Marazhai has such an amazing voice actor that even if he were reading a few lines from a wiki article, he'd still sound like a magnificent bastard while doing it.
Is it bad that I was actually giddy to see Salt man’s notification pop-up and subsequently the 5:58:19 time stamp ???
"Is this dipping sauce analogy working"?
Oh for sure it is, I'm definitely hungry now.
You mad lad. I just checked your channel a few weeks ago and hadn't seen anything new.
Then the day after act man posts a video about this game you hit us with this CHONKY boi. I'm so fuckin pumped. I'm at the end of my playthrough. 315 hours currently and I'm about to pass the point of no return.
I love this game so much. Flaws and all. I hope other people give it a try. It's severely underappreciated for essentially being Baldurs Gate in 40k
Remember: Drukhari are stored in the Kabals
I'll fall asleep to this for the next 5 years. You Fallout videos can finally take a well deserved vacation.
I'm posing a challenge to all speed runners.
Complete the game faster than it takes for this video to talk about it.
Seems pretty possible considering that pathfinder wrath of the righteous is about the same length and speedruns of it are about 2h to 3h long.
2 minutes in and I’ve learned more about the origins of 40K than in 4 years of being a fan!
2:09:15 Salt being confused by Aeldari Logic is the most lore-accurate experience. 😂
never forget eldar unironically are worse at diplomacy than orks
@@marley7868 Because diplomacy means to have the participants see everyone as equal to get to a fair agreement that's suitable for all. Aeldari don't think anyone else in the galaxy is their equal - they genuinely believe everyone else is a primate at best, and are physically and psychologically disgusted by us. People think that the Yrliet romance is just her not wanting to touch, but it's more than that, it's like asking a human to kiss a monkey.
Y'all ain't kissing no monkeys
@@kenjinpiniteu listen I have seen how humans treat monkeys we are nicer and more respectful
@kenjinpiniteu except human/Eldar pairings are canon, if not extremely rare, and her character growth arc should start with her realizing that holding that notion is extremely foolish.
@@TheWonkster I mean, pretty much every single human simply wants to genocide ALL xenos, so it's not even monkeys, it's insane murder monkeys - who also constantly murder each other.
From Aeldar perspectiv humans are just as corrupt as Drukhari - but for no reason at all. Drukhari at least survive via all the suffering they create, humans meanwhile only deform the warp with it and make chaos stronger and that without any of it giving them magical protection from a chaos god, in contrary.
So it's not even just monkeys, it's like having a monkey who behaves like a psychopathic killer, who is not even killing to survive, but for fun.
*Read the title and then sees the video length*
Guess i got myself a new audio to listen to while working.
I know nothing of this game and I’m only casually acquainted with Warhammer 40K, but I will watch every second of this 6 hour video. Bless you, Salt
Such an awesome game, all the different meaningful decisions and their respective consequences are just a delight to experience. I mean, stuff that would be generic roleplaying fluff in most games has some serious and unforseen consequences hours later into a playthrough. Simply awesome.
Something a lot of people never seem to mention or even talk about is how the 2000ad titles such as Nemesis the warlock strips heavily influenced the 40k series.
Oh wow, wasn't expecting you to cover an owlcat game, perhaps you would be interested in doing Pathfinder? Preferably the 2nd one, Wrath of the Righteous?
I'm definitely interested after seeing what they pumped out with Rogue Trader. Though uh... maybe not for a bit, this one took a lot out of me haha
@TheSaltFactory yeah Pathfinder is huge, with soo many different options, if this one is basically 6 hours, Pathfinder would be like 8 xD but good to know hopefully you get to it one day, is one of my favorite games
@@TheSaltFactory I'd heavily suggest Wrath of the Righteous over Kingmaker. Both are kind of broken in different ways, but at least Wrath is turn based from the start. Kingmaker requires a mod to be turn based.
@@ZeroNumerousi think turn based was added as a free update later, but i would suggest WOTR anyway because it's a much more complete and comfortable game thanks to the team's experience from working on Kingmaker (plus Kingmaker had its support and dlc forcibly cut by Owlcat's publisher)
I am not your xenos pet, Mon-keigh
1:45:50 oh noooo. You missed one of the best quests in the game where you have to fight your biggest enemy yet the... Bureaucracy! Honestly wonderful quest where because of some well bureaucratic shenanigans you cant use your rogue trader status and are forced to wait in a queue for a veryyy long time. Hilarious and awesome quest
Mate, great review as always, I'm very happy to have found your channel years ago, one of my all time favourites
And a separate thank you for the longer review format, bloody love me some 6 hours of narrative goodness!
Good luck to you and happy New Year!)
Regarding the recruit on Rykard Minoris around 43:30. If you don't land on the planet first. The traitor actually takes his place
I never saw a Rogue Trader video coming but Im all here for it! Thank you for the content to get me through my shift.
Guess i'm not gonna sleep tonight
I'm gonna have the sweetest of dreams to this
Nah man get some sleep while it plays in the background, you can always watch it again
I just listen salts videos when going to sleep😅
6 hours salt??? Unreal. Stoked to have this on for the next couple days. Merry Christmas man!
Just when we needed a Movie trilogy long video, our savior descends from the salty heavens
Abelard, present 'A novel crammed into a RUclips comment' for me!
"Thank you for creating this video, such a nice christmas gift. Rogue Trader quickly elevated itself in my eyes to be one of the top5 Rpgs of all time, especially after Wrath of the Righteous. It has to be one of the best cast of companions Ive interacted with, all fitting into the lore. If I tried gushing about them, Id be here all day. With all their personal quests, and post-credits scenes, they really emphasized these people have their own lives, theyre not all dependent on every word you as the protagonist breathe. Safe to say, we got not one, but TWO Arueshalaes this time in Cassia and Yrliet for the price of one. Heinrix and Abelard are also personal favorites of mine. And Marazhai is hilarious every time he speaks in the most morbid way imaginable.
And by the God-Emperor, were they faithful to the lore. Now Ive heard some real diehard fans argue about details and they got fair points, but it still feels like 40k at the end of the day, so Im sold. It feels good, from the atmosphere to the portraits to the music to the maps to the scope of the campaign, its all grand and epic and thematic.
And by all the Chaos Gods, the choices for enemies. Tzeentch? Yes! Necrons? Yes! Dark Eldar with an entire Commorragh sequence? Hell yes! All these races are so underrepresented in 40k media it feels like, and these are the perfect races to do an RPG with. These races think, theyre devious, theyre planners, theyre smarter and wiser than most humans ever could hope to be, even in this setting. (Its a miracle Tzeentch got a 2nd debut this year with Space Marine2, another 40k masterpiece. Just as planned, some might say.)
Maybe havent played enough games, but just the fact of not having money as a system, just buying out stuff based on reputation is such a cool and unique idea. Or the officer class who isnt doing anything by themselves, but heavily buffs others. Using the Warp summons in demons randomly. The three-way allegiance system where you can roleplay a normal person in 40k and everyone will look at you like an idiot or an oddity. There are so many of these great and unusual ideas in this game, that Im more than willing to look past its minor mistakes and bugs which get ironed out slowly but surely anyway.
Cant wait to see what else Owlcat cooks up for this game, and for the future. (Argenta romance when?) They didnt get as big as Larian, but god they deserve the AAA budget for these games. The voice actors did a stellar job as is with the limited voice lines."
56:20 "It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?"
- Guilliman to Dante in Devastation of Baal
Great video Salt. A pity you missed out on Jae, she’s kind of a perfect fit for the crime lord-Iconoclast path. Part of her loyalty quest involving a trip to the Administratum is peak humor for this game.
man i had no life for awhile this and baulders gate came out around same time and i got them both at same time was the best
5 HOURS? I love you salt your vids are more fun to listen to and watch then most audiobooks!
I am literally going live playing this in 25 mins when you posted this.
Apart of me wants to go "Woops, sorry guys I am not feeling it tonight" just so I can watch a video on the same game XD
Argenta has one of my favorite video game entrances of all time, I love her zealous confidence lol
Since it took me about 85 hours to finish the story the first time, a six hour Salt review seems about right.
I never thought you would do a owl cat game. Amazing gonna watch while painting some warhammer minis.
Thank you for the Christmas present! I appreciate it!!!
😃👍🎁
Not even a day ago was thinking "been a minute since a new Salt Factory video" so this was a very welcome surprise. I legit had no idea this game was even a thing but I also didn't get back into PC gaming until I finally got a new gaming computer this past summer.