Snape... it's complicated.
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Ah the moral ambiguity of Severus Snape. On the one hand, he is an egotistical bully who cares more about his own power in the classroom than taking care of his students. On the other hand, his loyal and life-risking contributions to the Order of the Phoenix often go unseen and unappreciated. In Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, the truth of Snape’s character continues to be both unveiled and obfuscated.
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As JK Rowling has stated, Snape is a good example of a grey character. Not entirely good or bad. He's not a saint, because of how he treated everyone. But he's not the devil, because he helped in the fight against Voldemort. I personally love to hate the guy, but I know others love to love him, hate to hate him, or hate to love him. He's an example on how not every side in a battle is black or white. Good people can be on the side of bad, and (as Shape proves) bad people can be on the side of good.
I love him because he was very relatable to me. He was like a British male version of myself.
@@DeepRedBlue he's basically the Jack Bauer of the Harry Potter series. He's a triple agent, where Dumbledore is the only person he directly reports to, so if he gets caught as a death eater, he rots away in Azkaban. But if the death eaters find out what he's really doing, well then he's even more fucked! Slow painful death either way
I don't really get why everyone's so fixated on whether he's good or bad. He's an interesting and well-written character. To me, he's genius, snarky, asshat who is a triple agent and possibly one of the most talented wizards in the HP universe. There are so many characters in fiction with a questionable moral compass but are beloved by fans (Deadpool is a good example). Sure, you can talk about how he's a grey character or you can defend his actions but it doesn't change the fact that he's *badass*
I think i dislike snape a lot mostly because he’s such a bad teacher
SWASTIKA NODIYA neville lost his parents at a young age and his grandma + family were incredibly harsh on him and didnt think he had what it takes to be a wizard. when he went to hogwarts, he was faced with the same bullying from even kids in gryffindor and his own teacher, so bad to the point where h wa shis biggest fear. he didnt let any of this make him a bad person. he was fine being a death eater until lily was in trouble. literally in the books, he told dumbledore to only hide lily. he wasnt in love with her, he was obsessed with her. when she rejected him he shouldnt have hated her, because he chose to call her a mudblood, he chose to hurt her. snape was a bad person, even if he saved the wizarding world
Y'all, they are not saying that Snape's perspective is the reality of the world, they just want us to practice empathy by imagining ourselves in his shoes.
This ^^^
It’s possible to both empathize with snape and also recognize that he is, in fact, a bitch
We can empathize with Snape's perspective but half of this video isn't even accurate to his character
I'm not gonna lie: as someone who has always connected with Snape and his utter loneliness on a deeply personal level I could never really explain, this video really hit me hard, and highlighted why he's one of the most fascinating, tragic characters ever created. As such, I am very excited to hear you guys get into discussing the amazing book that bears his name!
I love Snape always
As a kinnie, god me too
Something that I think we all need to be reminded dog at some point: An explanation is an explanation, not an excuse
What's funny is that this technically describes two different eras of his life. Both James and Harry stole Snape's work, the only difference is that one of them didn't know what he was doing.
And for everyone who's frothing at the mouth about all of Snape's horrible choices, this video isn't about that. It's about where that endless bitterness came from. Nobody is saying he's right, but he also didn't turn out the way he did in a vacuum. The people around him had an enduring effect, for better or for worse.
I've heard a theory that it's actually Snape who stole James' work. Father of James was fameous potion master (that potion-shampoo thing Hermione uses in 4th book is his invention). James had knowlege about potions since he was a kid. He could have been giving advices to his friends and Snape was noting them down, or he just stole James' book (look at handwriting: Harry was looking at Snape's handwriting for a few years, he or Ron, or Hermione would reckognise it if it was Snape's)
@@vellamore3136 Regarding the Potions book, James is a pureblood, so he wouldn't nickname himself the Half-Blood Prince, not to mention that it's a play on words involving Snape's mother's maiden name.
As for your theory as a whole, it doesn't hold weight since Snape actually demonstrates excellent skills in Potions by becoming a Master, and clearly is the inventor of all the spells in the book Harry finds. Look no further than Sectumsempra for the evidence -- it's a dark spell, and despite Harry seeing no written countercurse in the book, Snape is highly familiar with the spell's effects and knows the countercurse right off.
dommiesgrl Snape may have stolen James’ methods and made a book about it...
@@daimonwings3838 He didn't write a book, we're talking about the Potions textbook from Half Blood Prince where he wrote corrections to the text and spells in the margins.
dommiesgrl I was talking about the potions book too
I thought the guy with glasses was James with the way he was portrayed. Now that I know it's Harry, gotta say, that's not very accurate. Harry always hated the attention he got for being the boy who lived.
Akash Pai I think because it’s in Snape’s perspective , he always thought Harry was James
Noooo! It's not Harry! That's James Potter! In that case, it's very accurate.
Sai Jahnavi Yeruva the representation is clearly Harry, as with not calling Snape by his title. What title would he have had in the Marauders Era?
@@seana.8256 Marauders called them Quejicus, not Snape. That could be the title. Harry also refused to call him professor, he called him Snape directly, Which was disrespectfull.
This is in Snape's perspective.
I love Snape but Snape got a lot more dark to him than in this video. Remember he was abused as a child, his family was a mess. His upbringing had make him hate muggles. James Potter is like a complete opposite of him (cheerful, rich, athletic) and there're a lot feelings of jealousy (not to mention Lily). Their hate for each other just came naturally.
As an abused child his attitudes are understandable (include his abusive behaviours).
He has a passion for magic (like a mad scientist) and admire dark magic, that why he followed The Dark Lord naively. Later he regreted but it'd been too late. It's a war and in those time things are confusing you cant tell which side to be on (like in a presidential election)
I agree with your opinion, his past made his behaviour understandable, but I don't think it justifys his actions.
I love these videos, but without the added context of his past with James and Lily and the DE, etc, I don't think this could be considered an accurate assessment. If him and Harry had not had linked pasts with each other, sure. But otherwise, this really is incomplete.
I think the point of these videos is to address the much more relatable, general stuff and not the specific story beats. Its like that with pretty much all of them.
Agreed, but also, I think the title is self explanatory. "Why is Snape such an asshat?" If you think about it the right way, if James wasn't in the picture, Snape wouldn't probably have done anything. Or even if he did join the Death Eaters, he probably wouldn't be acting so hateful. Years of bullying can take its toll, they can toughen person up, they can make you bitter. I think this is the point they're trying to make.
Yeah and the whole “youre a teacher and the guy we are talking about is a 11-16 years old child” part they cut out
hoo__c_ but with that logic, lily drove him to be good. He only cared for harry because hes all thats left of her, he became a double agent to save lily and literally said saving harry and james doesnt matter. James bullying him wasnt the only reason he went bad but lily is the only reason he betrayed the dark lord
@@CoffeeCakeNation that would demand for more political circumstances of this being mentioned as well, considering who were they. Snape, known to Death Eaters as one of them, also known for openly displaying his hatred for pretty much anyone not Slytherin. Harry was child of James Potter, arguably part of the reason Lily was dead (hey, don't look at me like that, I know how bad it sounds) and Voldemort's enemy by default because of the events. The class for Potions was Gryffindors & Slytherins. It didn't help he really seemed to hate him. Cons outweighed pros. Voldemort still lingering somewhere. Snape trying to keep his position as double agent secure. As much as there's no defending him, there's actually logical reasoning in which existence I like to believe more than 'bitter adult man being mean to child for 6 years for little to no reason'. And to make the video relatable as WOLFINGSTOCK (cool name btw) mentioned they probably couldn't give all of these specifics, because just mentioning Harry's age wouldn't have been enough and mentioning all of this (and more) could lead to it being just another summary of Snape's life. I'm not really surprised they cut it to bare bones.
To me Snape is an example that being on the good side doesn't require one to be nice.
I simply cannot hate him, not after the things I've come to learn about his past.
But about this video, I don't think Snape really hated Harry. The way I thought to understand it he was there to protect him, and had to put up a facade of hate in order for Voldemort to not see through all this.
Personally I agree that he never hated Harry. He reminded him of his father. I don't even think he hated James. I think he held a grudge but it morfed away fro hatred to just a grudge he couldn't let go off. His father wasn't exactly a great role model for him as a child and always felt at competition with James as well. He's such a well wrote character. I think if you struggle to place a character into the sections good and bad they are well written, showing the bad and good in them. ( say what you want but I'm still looking for the good in delores j umbridge)
@@berrym7776 I like it how you ended with your post that you're still looking for the good in Delores. Personally I would even recommend to completely let go of the labels of good and evil in total. I find them way too restricted. Characters behave in a certain way depending on a whole lot of factors. And what is good and what is evil can even differ from one person to the next. How far are you willing to go to get what you want?
A character wants something, but among a lot of other things, what that character wants depends on the character's personal moral system. That thrives how far said character is willing to go to get what it want. And Voldemort for example went very, very far in his pursuit.
But back to Snape, another thing I see I didn't mention in my original post which is very important nontheless; despite Snape being an adult man in the series (I think to remember he was as old as I am now: 35) we should also take under consideration that with age comes wisdom and with wisdom comes forgiveness. On a biological level his brain has developed, so he won't make the not considered thoughts that teens can do (since their brains are still in development), so he has learned to think more rationally. Aside from that - and this is hugely important and comes back to what I've missed to mention before - he goes back to that same school where he was bullied every single day. In fact as a teacher he rarely ever leaves. No wonder it is difficult for him to see a boy who reminds him of his bully every day as he has to face him almost every day.
Snape is a deep character, as gray as gray can be and I love that deeply about him.
It's exactly the reason why I agreed (but I don't like it) with the way he died: his tragic arc was completed, and it couldn't have ended any more tragic than that.
Thank you for reading. :)
Shoot I forgot about you guys
Sack of wack omg same
I really love these videos. They don’t excuse the bad acts people do but they do make them understandable. It would be great if you could do this and branch out into other series like LOTR. I feel Boromir would make an excellent video.
He is My favourite Character and I love him
Snape: all that anyone thinks about me is that i’m a bitch!
Also snape: bullies his students so much one is legitimately terrified of him
I love how the video is named "why is Snape such an asshat"
Remember this is snapes perspective. Even if that’s not who Harry really is it’s how snape sees him
i really love this video! even tho i know people are seeing this as snape sympathising, i think it's really interesting to reframe the narrative entirely from snape's perspective - even tho we can call him out for bullying neville, not being able to let go of his past with james and lily, etc. he didn't see it that way. this is a super cool insight into how snape actually thought!
Would you point when in the series he bullies Neville exactly? I am pretty sure McGonagall does the same in the Goblet of Fire by asking Neville, quite sarcastically and in Snape's fashion, to not let the visitors from Durmstrang know that he cant produce a simple transfiguration spell
@@giacomorinaldi8803remember the Boggart test? If a child’s greatest fear is a teacher (an authority figure who is supposed to protect them), then that teacher has failed.
Remember when Neville screwed up a potion, and Snape force fed it to Neville’s pet? Remember when Neville got punished when Snape found out about the Boggart test and the humiliating image of him in a dress and hat?
Snape, ok he was an ass to Harry, I acknowledge that as was James. But he's also one the characters that ended up surprising me in the end, and showing he was a lot tougher than he looked in so many ways with hidden depths. I mean you saw how ticked Snape was when Phieneas Nigellus call Hermione a mudblood.
Snape always had a lot of love. Even after Lily's death, his devotion to her shows this . When he was little , I didn't see anyone treat him in a good way . It was just Lily, but she let it go as everyone. Snape was attached to her , his only hope. He was a little boy, he couldn't face every challenge. How long could he go on without seeing any glimmer of hope. But even after Lily died, he always remembered and loved her. She was the only hope in his entire life . Just use a little emphaty . He could go to Gryffindor easily but he didn't . Why ? He was shy . Generally Gryffindors are known of being brave , have a feeling of desire to show oneself - not sayin a bad way , I'm a Gryffindor too- but he hasn't got that feeling or bravery . He wasn't bad . Yeah , did some stinkies but everyone did . No one is perfect . Severus Snape is my favourite character and he's gonna be like that for ever. So How can you blame and hate someone who grew up in these circumstances?
Love ya 😘❤
Rachel Kingsley thank you, finally someone else is aware of what his childhood was like and how Lily was the first person to be nice to him
YASSS this is exactly why he is my favorite character too!
Just because I understand him doesn’t mean he’s justified. Let’s talk canon things he did that I can’t forgive!
-bully Neville so much Snape was his worst fear (Neville has no ties to James, he just got abused)
-joined a Nazi like group and only left because of his obsession with a girl
-was obsessed with Lilly even after she got married, I can’t even call it “love” cuz it was toxic
-only felt the need to protect Harry because of his mother, not because of his individual
-judged and bullied a kid because he resembled his father, a man the boy never even knew
So unfortunately, his one shiny moment of saving Harry does not redeem him
hell ya! 👏👏👏👏
Yes! Let's not forget:
-called the woman he "loved" a slur
-was perfectly willing to allow her family to die
I dont wanna justify anything here, I just wanted to let you know, that Snape probably hated Neville more than Harry, because Neville could've been the chosen one, so his parents would be dead and not Lily.... that's not... like... a good thing or anything, thats a horrible thought, but that's, I think, the reason, Snape bullied Neville that much!
Exactly! And I can't stand that "Always" has become a big marketing piece for Harry Potter merch. It's so frustrating.
lmao, let’s not forget that Movie Snape walked over lily’s dead husband and cradled lily in his arms while her son was crying in the crib,,, if snape truly loved lily he wouldn’t have treated everything that she loved like shit
Poor Snape. He totally does not have enough love.
Snape is not an evil he is the kindest person
Nope, he’s *not* kind
"KiNdEsT"
lmao
Well he is just misunderstood
I relate so much to Snape, but I never really understood how to explain that to my friends when they told me "Why? He's such a terrible person." Here it is. Thank you so, so much.
Saddest story in the series
I've always thought about life in Snape's perspective. This video is helpful in that regard.
I luv this seriessss
you kinda forgot the part where snape was the bully from day one with harry.
@FantasyChick777 agreed!
I was thinking along these same lines until the last sentence. That snapped me to their point. It's that everyone has a story and where those intersect, someone benefits. If you're able to take the time to post to RUclips, you've benefitted from many many more people than you know.
@FantasyChick777 Agreed! This channel glosses over the deeds of Umbridge, Petunia, Snape... I am not trying to offend anyone's judgements (though Snape-siders get offended seeing such comments) but really a bully is a bully no matter what led him to become a bully. I had got a Prof. Snape in my life so I know how it feels like to be terrorised each day. Put yorself on Neville's shoes for once before admiring Snape's shoes.
Don't forget that he wantet to KILL Neville's pet toad with Neville's potion that was supposed to be bad, and then punished Gryffindor by taking them points because potion turned out good
There are two reasons for that.
First, every professor at Hogwarts plays favorites, particularly with their own House. Snape expected dedication from every student -- and seldom got it, as he occasionally noted -- but he had an absolute devotion of hatred toward Gryffindor. Not that the House doesn't somewhat deserve it -- as we occasionally see in the books, Gryffindor has a history of producing jerks -- but the fact that he suffered at the hands of James and the other Marauders doesn't help matters.
Second, remember that he's a double agent within the Death Eaters for the entirety of the series, right up until he dies. He _has_ to act as though he hates Harry, as Harry is the one prophesied to destroy Voldemort.
But, beyond that, remember that Harry is the spitting image of his father. Except for his mother's eyes, he was a young James Potter by sight. The Gryffindor who stole every spell Snape invented, used Snape's own Levicorpus to dangle him upside down in the halls, and continued to snipe at him any time Lily wasn't looking. The rich, handsome quidditch star who liked to artfully tousle his hair as though he'd just come off his broom.
And here's the man's son, looking just like him, made a celebrity by the night you wish had never happened. And, partly for Dumbledore, partly because your worst enemy made the annoying decision to save your life (and you're pretty sure he only did it to save his own skin), you have to keep him alive.
I've realised that one of the main things that went wrong with shape is that he was never able to move on. He wasn't able to get over his prejudices even though he clearly knew they were false, wasn't able to get over the fact that he came from a broken home, that he was bullied, that his love died. If he was able to move on, he could've had a happy life
i thought this was going to be a video hating on snape. but i actually liked it and how it depicted him. great job!
Victoria J. I wish they would make a video hating on him
Rey O'Rourke I mean. Cool. Snape is my favorite character
Me as well, I was pleasantly surprised.
0:09 But snape is bootiful And OMG JAMES YOU MADE PEOPLE HATE SNAPE
This might all be true, but it could never excuse his actions. Snape's greatest weakness was his inability to see a situation from another person's point of view. Without this ability, one quickly creates paranoid behaviours and feels entitled in their position. He had several very flawed characetristics, but his lack of empathy was the one that caused the most harm. He abused children and there is no explanation that validates these actions. The fact that he fought for the good guys in the end will not correct all the horrible things he did, at least for me.
Well said
Yeah his past only explains his behavior but doesn't excuse it
Nicely put. If he thought more of other people's emotions, he could have been completely different...
Both Severus and James are equally flawed characters. James was arrogant, and self centered, but deep down a good person. Severus was introverted and confused, but also a good person. Lily chose James and made him a better person, but abandoned Severus though he has always been there for her.
Poor sev ~🌚💔
He didn’t live to see the value of his hard work ~💔
Or to see harry respect and forgiveness ~💔
Or the thankful eyes from those people he saved once their lives,harry,Hermione,Ron,Neville,Luna,Ginny,and the whole wizarding world ~☹️💔
I love his story and his character,he teaches us that you don’t have to be nice to do good,or to feel love ~❤️
I always feel like these Harry Potter character analysis videos exclude very important details
I've been waiting for another video for two years.
It's been 11 months.
I love snape
Never related to a fictional character more
Except that Harry never wanted the attention, didn't really enjoy it, and wasn't aware at all that the book was Snape's. Let's also not forget Snape was terrible to Neville and Hermione too.
Also, if someone seems to surge following instructions you've written right after they left your classroom after being taught by you for years, maybe it's your teaching style.
i absolutely love these
I really enjoy these videos. I often get in my feelings about characters, and it's good to hear/see a matter-of-fact explanation of behavior I disagree with. But still...
Snape 👏🏽 is 👏🏽 trash 👏🏽 and 👏🏽y'all 👏🏽 can 👏🏽 fight 👏🏽 me 👏🏽 about it.
Yes, Snape's had a hard life. Yes, he deserved recognition and even appreciation for sacrifices he's made. But there is no excuse for how badly he treated his non-Slytherin students. He was a 13 yr old boy's WORST FEAR. You can be snarky and show favoritism without being an asshat. He could have maintained his reputation for being into the dark arts and hating Gryffindors while still providing a solid education. It's 1000% possible to give instruction in a matter-of-fact way, showing no affection. He expected excellence but (as far as we're shown) mocks students for both underperforming and being eager to show their knowledge! Imagine what could have happened in book 5 if Snape had actually.... tried to Teach during extra lessons with Harry.
..... or maybe I'm over thinking this because I work in education?
He👏went👏through👏serious👏trauma👏and👏traumas👏can👏change👏anyone
IKR!!!!
Flameshy trauma 👏 doesn’t 👏 excuse 👏 abusing 👏 children
- People have blown that boggart scene out of proportion: it was supposed to be a funny scene where the rest of Harry's classmates have childish fears such as ghosts, spiders and mean teachers in contrast to harry abnormally mature fear of something truly dangerous, the dementors. Besides, boggarts dont show you your deepest fear but merely what's scaring you the most AT THE MOMENT because, seriously, if that were the case then Hermione and Ron would be sociopaths who fear failure and spiders more than the possibility of their own family being slaughtered
-If anything Snape was obsessed with James, not Lily, NEVER with Lily.
Let me tell you what's obsessive: James drawing Lily's name in a Snitch, something to catch, and then blackmailing her into dating him if he stopped bullying, harassing and sexually assaulting Snape (because, yes, humiliating somebody by taking off their pants IS sexual assault). Yet harry never finds lily's name or initials scribbled in a corner of the Halfblood Prince's potions book. In all his years as a double agent for Dumbledore, the man he trusted most, Snape never mentioned Lily EVER again: that's why Dumbly utters the iconic line "After all this time?'". An obsessive person by definition can't keep their mouth shut about the object of their obsession, which goes back to my initial point: he's obsessed with James, NOT with Lily
-Snape doesn't particularly care about Neville one way or another. He considers him a terrible student and... that's pretty much it. There are TWO direct interactions between them, throughout the series:
"Neville had somehow managed to melt Seamus’s cauldron into a twisted blob, and their potion was seeping across the stone floor, burning holes in people’s shoes. Within seconds, the whole class was standing on their stools while Neville, who had been drenched in the potion when the cauldron collapsed, moaned in pain as angry red boils sprang up all over his arms and legs.
“Idiot boy!” snarled Snape, clearing the spilled potion away with one wave of his wand. “I suppose you added the porcupine quills before taking the cauldron off the fire?” Neville whimpered as boils started to pop up all over his nose.
“Take him up to the hospital wing,” Snape spat at Seamus".
and
“Orange. Tell me, boy, does anything penetrate that thick skull of yours? Didn’t you hear me say, quite clearly, that only one tat spleen was needed? Didn’t I state plainly that a dash of leech juice would suffice? What do I have to do to make you understand, Longbottom?” [...] “Longbottom, at the end of this lesson we will feed a few drops of this potion to your toad and see what happens. Perhaps that will encourage you to do it properly.”
(And before you go on accusing him of attempting to poison that stupid toad, remember: HE HAD THE ANTIDOTE AT HAND.
And Flitwick in Book 1 had Trevor flying around the room as demonstration, to Neville's horror, but people conveniently forget that and use Snape as an example of bullying)
That's it. Snape's frustrated at Neville being incompetent, and is harsh on him, but so is McGonagall, for the same reason:
"Longbottom, kindly do not reveal that you can’t even perform a simple Switching Spell in front of anyone from Durmstrang!” Professor McGonagall barked at the end of one particularly difficult lesson, during which Neville had accidentally transplanted his own ears onto a cactus.
The difference is that, unlike McGonagall, he doesn't just give up and tell Neville to keep quiet about his incompetency, he tries to scare him into paying attention. Which, of course, doesn't work, because Neville immediately gets Hermione to do his work for him. But it's not proof Snape personally hates Neville
On the other hand, Snape helps Neville in at least two situations:
"And Crabbe, loosen your hold a little. If Longbottom suffocates it will mean a lot of tedious paperwork and I am afraid I shall have to mention it on your reference if ever you apply for a job. [This is OotP, when the students have been caught and taken to Umbridge's office.]
And:
""“Never mind that! How did Snape punish Ginny, Neville, and Luna?” asked Harry urgently.
“Professor Snape sent them into the Forbidden Forest, to do some work for the oaf, Hagrid.”
“Hagrid’s not an oaf!” said Hermione shrilly.
“And Snape might’ve though that was a punishment,” said Harry, “but Ginny, Neville, and Luna probably had a good laugh with Hagrid. The Forbidden Forest… they’ve faced plenty worse than the Forbidden Forest, big deal!”
He felt relieved; he had been imagining horrors, the Cruciatus Curse at the very least""
- Snape hating Neville for not being Voldemort's target is a dishonest, unfair assumption of the haters. It's FANON. It's the same as saying that Dumbledore would have sided with Grindlewald and become a tyrant had he not witnessed Ariana's death in person. It's a fallacy in their logic
-About Hermione's teeth: Snape was trying to dismiss and downplay the whole episode because deatheaters' children were involved and the last things he wants as a double agent is to fall from the Malfoys' graces because of a petty fight between students, expecially now that he knows because of his darkening mark that Voldemort is planning to come back. More proof of that is the fact he didnt punish harry for turning Crabbe (or was it goyle?) into something resembling a swamp monster and only took points the moment harry and ron started insulting him, not because of the fight. Yes, Hermione, you are ugly and no, we dont care: adults are trying to win a war here, cry me a river
Hard work but being noticed is a very god example of this video
I have no love for Snape. Neville, whose parents were tortured to insanity by Bellatrix, was so petrified of him over anyone else that he was his boggart. No teacher should ever hurt a student like that. He also didn’t actually love Lilly, He was obsessed and saw her as property. People seem to forget that he was just as horrible to James as James was to him. What if Harry was a girl that looked like Lilly? Yeah we all know what would’ve happened. No excuses.
Thank you
The movies made Snape the poor victim
That's why the fans don’t know Snape's true character , they only know Alan Rickman🤡
This isn't very accurate... What about his home life, his DE involvement from a young age, Lily, bullying kids as a teacher?
Way to miss the point of the video.
I meaaaaannn...
You kinda forgot about:
- Lily.
- James.
- Severus's whole redemption arc after having become a death eater and abandoned it?
A rather shallow and inaccurate reading of the character, but nonetheless interesting.
he was an asshole period. His "redemption arc" doesn't mean he was a good person.
@@19Rena96 When your psychology gets fucked by even worst people in your child years it's kinda hard to become a very benevolent person.
This is about the 6th book. They’re taking his perspective from then
@@1997lordofdoom Just because he had a shitty childhood, doesn't justify his HORRIBLE actions as an ADULT!
@@19Rena96 Yes is does. That's how psychology works. It's called trauma.
The guy still risked his life for years and was crucial on defeating Voldemort.
If you wanna talk about horrible actions, talk about the teen-agers that planned a prank that would kill another kid, only for James to stop it in the last second. They didn't even have an excuse for that.
relieved you're uploading again!
The thing thay keeps me from forgiving him is that, if he had had no obsession with Lily, he would have still been a Death Eater until he died.
Also the fact that he consistently was a piece of shit to students for no good reason. Like with Neville.
Though, the whole death eater thing is much closer to unforgivable than being a flaming asshole.
@Liva Ozolina Please tell me, how exactly was he obsessed?
@@indyana_jones There could be a case made for it being obsession if he still had very strong romantic feelings for her *many* years after his rejection and after she had a husband and child, but I was using the word exagurativeley for shock value. If that's the main thing that caught your attention though, I think you're missing the point.
Liva Ozolina He did. He totally did.
The whole “always” scene honestly proves he still felt that way even after she moved on.
Though, yeah, to micro-focus on that is to miss the point.
You never know what he would've done.
OMG I was just rewatching your videos and hoped for a new one now I updated the page and OMG OMG OMG
This is why I hate Harry's father he was a total bully and everyone talked about how great he was and he really wasn't he was a jerk!!!
When James' best friend turned out to be a social oucast, James worked his ass off to became an animagus to make his life easier. When Snape's best friend turned out to be a social outcast, he called her a slur and joined the people who would persecute her. So, who's the jerk again?
YES I've waited so longgggg for you to upload a new video!!!😍😍😍😍😍😍
Yo I love these vids..Y’all should do Sirius or Remus hhnng, or hecc Draco-
it feels like he was talking about james... but it could've been a mixture of harry and james.
Wonderful as always ❤️
It’s nice to see you guys again
But please don't forget that Harry is a child who didn't ask to be treated this way and Snape is an adult. Snape should know better!
My mom's LABOUR made my life possible
Do another, i love these
Oh not to mention you're a 36 year old man and he's a 17 year old boy.
Exactly. AND you agreed to protect him no matter what because he is the son of rhe love of your life.
That was James Potter, not Harry
You can be sure by the way Snape's hair looks.
Explaination, not excuse
I had a very similar middle school and high school experience, but at least I don't bully children haha
I found it funny how harry think they are being bullied even when snape dosent do that. And it cause real problem.
Book has lot of that moments.
Well snape basically earn that. He bully harry for no reason when his young and all. So harry keep going back and think snape is doing bullshit on him while he is just doing work.(mainly dumbledore give.)
Harry dose that at 1th quidich game. (Heroine burn snape's robe.) also dose that when snape chase sirius. (Snape is being so mad at sirius bc he thought sirius is the real killer. But in harry's mind snape is doing that just bc of his childhood problem.)
Snape try to check on sirius+ give harry fake potion so he can got out of trouble. But harry fail to trust snape and go out to save sirius. Later blame snape for sirius's death bc he was overwarm by guilty himself. +he though snape dosent mind for sirius's death.
+ when he teaching occlumency, snape is being really annoying and impatient and all. but still his not seek for harry's fail. snape dose tell harry how to keep his mind closed.
And harry cant help but think snape want to attack him so he keep fail+cant really focus or trust snape on that matter.
They really cant help themself and keep fall back to hate each other than give a little trust.(not like gotting besty kanna trust. More of you they are not into bad shit kanna trust)
I think snape should behave better bc ... Welp his adult and has his responsibility.
But harry hear stuff from sirius too much and keep ignore snape when he know what's going on and harry dosent. harry dosent respact snape as professior.(bc of obvious reason..) and as not very matured person he is.
Snape keep falling back to doing his old shit.(bully harry.)
Because he's Snape.
Well, thst kind of desribed my life. But now as i know i did that, they start to love me. Because they realized that the "rockstar" did this to me
0:19 got better and better to join the wizard Nazis
Please do James and show he’s not just a bully. Or Regulus.
*Screams in Potterhead*
Yayyyyyyy finally a post
I’m not affected by snape’s death even though he’s my fav character i guess i’m cold blooded
Who els thought throughout the video that they were talking about James
Small correction - James DID have talent and skill, especially in Quidditch, Transfiguration, Charms, and Defense Against the Dark Arts.
Honestly I feel like he was good in this subject but people made it seem like he was smart and talented🤷🏻♀️
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He was smart and talented though, Hagrid later referred to James and Lily as some of the most talented wizards he'd ever known.
If James did steal Snapes work it would probably have been for the class of potions.
I think that them saying that was more from Snape’s perspective; he believes that James has no talent nor skill.
Or Harry if that’s him it’s the same either way
I mean his crazy person but he has really crazy background that made him what he dose. (Mainly james and sirius.+snape's family) well... Also he is crazy person. (His behavior it self is still problematic.)
He is skilled genius who unable to grown up. And he behave maturely at the last years.
What make him trasic is that he can actually be better person at some point. Its visible when he got his chance. (Expecially last year of his life. I mean he is doing all the stuff for nothing while keep his head on the line. Yet he blame himself about unable to do more. Its really crazy how he is different person at that point. He grow up much.)
But he was killed so no more chance to change that.
I think they are all simiral in thar way. Serius is behave like that too. Behave like child and all.
That era itself is affecting everyone. Like making side and attack while they dont understand what it is.
Snape dont know what it is as kid and still put himself into it. James attack everyone while dont understand its not stupid game. I like that in book.
Even at harry's perspective they do the war while dont understand what it actually is. And ppl being force to pick a side and do it while dont understand what's going on. Its realistic on that part.
Neither Harry nor James stole Snape's work. James learned the spells his rival used on him and others, cause he was a clever guy, while Harry picked up a random book that Snape had left behind. And if anything, Snape screwed harry over. He wrote a dangerous and dark spell in his spell book and left lying in a bin in class for anyone to find. If things had gone slightly differently, Harry would have unintentionally killed Malfoy.
Harry had no clue what that spell did. He only knew it was to be used on enemies and decided that was enough information. He then proceeded to use said spell ON A HUMAN without bothering to test it first to see what it even does. I’m not sure why he was so shocked when he found out he could’ve killed Malfoy, giving the fact he was so ignorant about the spell’s use in the first place.
A little taken aback that you decided to use the word b*tch as the mocking word for him :/
I've suggested it before and I'm disappointed you didn't pick this topic, it could've been about Draco "How far would you be willing to go for your family?". That would've been easier to understand.
As much as I'm not a big fan of Draco, his character is interesting, and this title and topic is truly awesome!
@@lethalamount thank you!
I love these so much!
I’m Snape I guess :)
James Potter didn't deserve to go to heaven, he was a bully!!
Bully ?!
What about Malfoy and Snape,
everyone loves them but they're racists and pureblood fanatics who call other people a mudbloods and bully Harry and aspire to be death eaters.
Snape has become an adult and is still bullying children especially Harry and Neville judging by what
. Harry looks like his father
man, what a shallow mentality
Harry is more mature than him
James is pure blood but he doesn't care , He opens his house to his friend, supports his other friend with money, joins to the order to fight Voldemort, and tried to change himself for Lily His love for her was real not an obsession like Snape.
even if it's not a fair perspective, one that is completely true, it is still a real perspective an honest one of what snape most likely thinks of Harry, in a way he kind of has a little bit of a point when it comes to the fact that harry rarely does anything based on his own hard work, skill or talent that he's trained for, often he's given talent, a convenient way out of a problem or taken the reward from someone else, it's rarely himself and i'm not blaming harry necessarily for it, but he gets alot of praise for things he didn't really do or achieve himself, and that can lead to alot of people really disliking the attention and glory he gets and though those people shouldn't bully him it is still good to get a reality check or see a different point of view, particularly in a series that is only told in harry's perspective
And here I thought it was because he emotionally abused almost every student he had, developed an obsession with a girl that was only being nice to him and excused himself behind ‘love’ when he repeatedly called that same girl the most horrific slur anyone could call a wizard, joined a mass murderer with a Hitler complex and when faced with that same girl’s screaming one year old child above her and her husband’s dead bodies completely disregarded the baby and went straight to cradle her corpse, proceeded ro RIP a photograph of the family and kept the side that had the girl in it and just fled. Oh silly me.
@@leonor29292 THIS
Leonor Garcia Even if he called Lily a mudblood once, he called other muggleborns mudblood without a care in the world.
Am I to assume that the next and possibly last video in this series will about Dumbeldore's past and relationship with Grindelwald?
you’re wrong cannon wise, James didn’t blame or take credit for anything snape did, and he did in fact had his own talents and skill and the other Marauders.. snape isn’t the saint victim the movies be making him.
Right? By all accounts, James was one of the best students of his year. He was insanely talented on his own merit (became an Animagus in his teens, co-created the Marauders' map, was a Quidditch prodigy and had good grades despite spending a lot of time on detention, Quidditch practice and full moon nights). Snape was gifted in potions and could invent his own spells, but he was never said to excel every subjects like James or Sirius. His achievements were overlooked because 1) they involved dark magic so he kept them secret, and 2) he was overshadowed by better students, including his friend Lily.
It’s not about James, it’s about Harry. Harry is using Snape’s old textbook (with his notes)
@@catherinecao4810 Then it makes even less sense. Snape is teacher, he's supposed to pass his knowledge to his students without them having to resort to his old textbook
@@AWinterLullaby I think it was more about Harry benefiting from Snape’s old notes and spells, and how Harry seemingly passes it off as his own work. He even tried swapping book covers in order to keep Snape’s textbook.
Snape is not a good teacher, but Harry was academically dishonest.
Oh my......
Awesome!
Where in the books does it imply Snape worked hard to produce things to make the world a better place? Where does it imply he cleaned up James's messes? Honestly if you're going to try to make Snape seem sympathetic, how about including things that actually happened from his life, like his neglectful parents, his friendship with Lily? But then you'd have to include his prejudice against Petunia/Muggles/Muggle-borns, eagerness to join Slytherin, etc...
He didn't have that hard of a life until James came after him. Lily offered him true friendship early on, before school even started, and he blew it time and time again by hurting Petunia's feelings and hanging around with Death Eaters and insulting Lily and her family.
Well when it came to prejudice he loathed muggels when it came to the muggels born hate this came only after his wad groomed by proto death eaters about the disgustingness of muggel norms and I don't excuse it and I don't see his eagerness to join Slytherin as something bad it was not out of blood prejudice it was because he believed being in Slytherin makes you more brainy than brauny and for him not having the hard of a life before James came to him is just bullshit in the prince tail we clearly see that he doesn't want to stay when he say the he will be soon at Hogwarts he clearly saw Hogwarts as an escape from his broken house
Just in half blood prince but not much other
Aww Severus Snape ❤️.. You should Tom Riddle/Voldemort next 😮😮💚💚
I forgot you guys existed...you took 11 months to make an under 5 minute video? Not trying to be mean, you guys do great, thought provoking work. In fact, I love it! But why so long man?
...is this meant to be about harry or james? it's very confusing and not at all accurate, even considering the flipped perspective.
DO DRACO!
who tf said snape wasn’t good looking
The books
@@noodley6941 dang good point
He isn’t..
All the people losing their minds because this directly goes against the morals of their Snape hate Instagram account is amazing. This does not justify Snape’s actions towards Neville for example or his “obsessive” love towards Lily which is a controversial topic, Snape wasn’t a likeable character in the first books but we do have to look at what he dedicated and risked his life to do (protecting Harry). Sorry to burst some of your bubbles but Snape wasn’t some evil twisted monster he was just an asshole.
Please do R.A.B or a Malfoy
been a while..
Is the next one Voldemort?
I'm getting strong hatred vibes against Harry. Like every video.
Snape is my babe!!😘
I really hoped that lily would come out
Okay but
Snape wasn't just an asshole to Harry
Need I remind you that Neville Longbottom, a boy who has seen torture and death, gone through horrors most can't imagine- His greatest fear was this man who had humiliated, abused, and degraded him. I couldn't care less about what Harry or his dad did, that was inexcusable.
I personally despise him
But he obsessed with lily
That led to him being in light side
You should do Tom Riddle next!
Yes
Omg yes
*was
And then he became the thing he hated. So yikes...
I love the podcast and these videos, but for me this one doesn't quite work because Harry isn't 'one guy', he's an eleven year old child.
I think…It’s James. Not Harry.
@@Insomniacdream
No, it's Harry, but from Snape's distorted point of view, he still thinks he's like his father
@@Sj_9885 ohhh I see
@@Insomniacdream
Yup