Thank you all for commenting and interacting with this video! I'm trying to read to every single comment and reply as best as I can! Remember, if you like this movie and/or this fight scene, that's great! This is just my take on it on an attempt to have fun with a negative movie experience I'll be glad to respond to each comment if I have anything to say about it, and I'll do my best to keep it civil! I don't want to argue with anyone, just comparing thoughts and tastes :) Excuse me if that's difficult to convey through simple text. May the force be with you all
Sooooo how would you defend against a light saber then ? Lmao my guess is u would look way worse than these guys but okay real life walking hater u are hold that L
I feel like the only weird thing in this video is the part where you point out how she "magically deflects a shot" since that's a thing that just about every Jedi does at some point outside of that yeah as someone who enjoyed TFA and TLJ and their fight scenes, TRoS is really disappointing
@@atocanboi409 "magically knows" is the only point I'll see as a mistake of mine by "magically deflecting" i mean that she doesn't show intention to deflect she moves her saber without much thought and it happens to be in the way of incoming shots
This scene and 8's throne room scene share choreography that's biased towards the main characters. Almost nobody approaches behind a character for example lol
LMAO imagine that's how it all ended Did anakin, the chosen one, bring balance to the galaxy? no Did luke? no Did any other jedi? no Did rey sue? nope His own servant.
there would not be a problem with it if he would not wait for eternity giving so much time for the knights of ren to attack his legs.. and they are all force sensitive as well so it is bigger bs that Ben just did that for that long
@@marco002 Yeah the problem with this is how he rotate his saber, place it in his back and there's a useless zoom on him waiting for the hit. I'm sure they intended us to think everything happened fast and at the same time but it just felt like he was waiting to be cut in half.
I think what they were going for was something similar to Anakin’s spinning blocks in Episode 3, but then sequel syndrome kicked in and, well, this happened. It’s a shame because there’s some really cool choreography that can happen in the Star Wars universe, but the sequels don’t even try and make it look good. Sequel syndrome, btw, is like the reverse Midas touch: everything it touches becomes shit
@@hxcvocalist it looks like something you fix in editing but some how no one caught. Literally if the strike came at the precise moment he assumed the position it actually would have looked kind of cool. And all you really have to do is some quick computer edits, delete the space in between, and boom you got a cool looking scene.
I am literally baffled by that shot I mean who approved that? Who decided that acting like shooting the ceiling during the scene was a good idea and who in the post production actually thought that yeah this scene makes sense lets add the blaster bolts to him?
Haha reminds me of the clone in Revenge if the Sith who also saw a spider. Instead of shooting a Jedi three meters away he shoots at a column all the way across the Jedi temple!
@@AlsoAStranger at least they are more accurate than clone troopers! I don’t know what you are watching 😉 but we cleared hallways in our first cinematic appearance. We took down Sandcrawlers, and nearly wiped out the rebellion fleet. Not to mention we blasted 3PO to bits, caused the rebellion to flee Hoth, killed many on Endor and shot the Princess of Alderaan in the arm and R2-D2.
"Alright, so am I shooting at Rey for her to deflect, or am I shooting near her so she can dodge?" "Neither, just shoot straight up bro" "...why?" "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider... unnatural."
Yes they try show how she is somehow powerful, while here movie does not make sence, when she does not look powerful, if her enemies are directed to be absolute stupid morons who have no clue how to fight in sitution where your life is in the line.
You're missing the reason behind him shooting at the ceiling. He's a guard, right? Clearly he saw his comrades fall so his default thought process is "must've been the wind" so he took care of that imminent threat, duh 🙄💅🏻
At this point I'm still confused about why they didn't just give Rey a double lightsaber from the start. She literally uses a staff in the first movie of the sequels, so it would make sense basing her fighting style off something she is familiar with. But nope, another wasted opportunity to add to the pile.
@Reaver The new lego star wars has that sith version as a full playable character. Seeing rey with the double lightsaber just fit so god damn well. Why did they not go with it? Was it because Darth Maul had one? Just Why not?
@@NrettG I guess the people in charge of that decision never saw anything star wars related other than the movies and (obviously wrongly) concluded that double lightsabers belong to the baddies therefore they cannot give one to the main character? Just a guess though.
@@guspeixoto7740 okay the sequels are shit but kinda sound like your giving it too much hate if your saying a lego game looks better... I mean some times it did look better but not always buddy
What I find the worst about the Ben fight is that it is choreographed like he's fighting random guards, just like Rey. But those are his former pupils, his former friends he's killing. The choreography doesn't reflect that at all.
It turns out that the Knigts of Ren were the og ones and Ben just killed the og Kylo and the rest just followed him So whatever happenend to the other Jedi pupils?! IDK, maybe the just didn't sign back their contracts.
@@dougdayz7079 Thats just sad, oh my god Palpatine didnt even have the decency to clone some competent members or training a bunch of siths and just take the first gang that he found?
I think the most baffling part of this is the guards who are just standing still at ease during some shots. You would think when filming this, you would avoid that stance at all times because it's the ONE way to look completely unnatural. How did this get by the choreography directing??
Even Christopher Nolan knows not to make that mistake. His fight choreography in his earlier films wasn't great, but he knew there needed to be kineticism
It's a common enough thing in fight scenes with more than two guys. But that's part of the job of choreographing fight scenes: make sure the audience sees guys fighting, and _doesn't_ see a bunch of guys standing around _not_ fighting.
Right?! Some of the praetorian guards in tlj are pirouetting around these two and there's also a moment where one of them has two knife weapons before Rey covers him and then he magically has only one lmao
Sounds like a Snyder film. The first thing people ALWAYS bring up with him is visuals. But visuals by themselves just become soulless images without well-crafted characters and a good story.
@@KK-ro7gx Nowhere in the shots that was shown, we just saw a guy shooting the ceiling Hey, maybe it WAS indeed her using the force But we don't see that happening, that's why it looks stupid
Indeed I know there's some bad choreography in the prequels as well, since they had to make the fights more interesting to watch, but they are not as bad as the sequels
@@kukukhameleon oh! I see Shadiversity's video has an in-depth analysis on it! ruclips.net/video/gvW4touytkc/видео.html I realize it's not a short content version like my video but that surely will cover every bit of the battle
The fact that the Emperor’s Royal Guard are supposed to be the best of the best and they miss at point blank really shows how bad they scripted these fights.
@@Spartan-kc1qt Bruh there are canon comics were you can see them train and they are the best of the best but the second they fight against rey or kylo they become trash
@@Spartan-kc1qt Excuse me BUDDY, IT’S THE FIRST ORDER, and imagine you are going to attack the Emperor or Snoke, and you expect his guards to be CRACKED but they just do what they did in this film. That’s not propaganda, that’s bad scripting because they were supposed to be GOATED at combat in order to protect these important characters.
Yep, the sovereign guards are just as mindless as stormtroopers now. The only difference is that they're red and have a different blaster. They do this too much. They make a new "Elite" unit that we barely see and gets destroyed by the main characters with ease. At least show them being slightly competent. Just look at the inquisitors from rebels.
OT: Rubbish fights between an untrained kid and a crusty ass cyborg, but lots of emotional throughs. PT: Rediculous but awesome laser sword ballets, sometimes including CGI dudes making for unique scenarios. Grievous' lightsaber blender is kickass to this day. ST:
Feel bad for Daisy and especially Adam. Both great actors who are capable of good choreography, robbed because of shit writing and choreography directors and everything else.
Sorry but calling Daisy’s acting on the sequels as “good” is pushing it beyond the limits of common sense. She did good in TRoS tbh, but the first two movies? Yikes . Just REALLY out acted by Adam Driver or even John B. This trilogy is so fucking weird tbh. The amount of resources and how they utterly wasted them is beyond me . Like an insane level of incompetence. Daisy could’ve been far better, but I guess the directors didn’t give a shit as well
@@danielz-v4083 I think she did the best she could with what she was given. She isn’t the best actor, doesn’t have a heap of range, but I don’t think the character could’ve been performed much better considering how bland it is. either way this shit was hilarious 😂
The writing was great and the choreography was good. This video has zero valid criticisms. All of them can be explained with the use of a working brain.
"Hold on let me bend over facing away from you while holding a plasma blade along my spine." Dude only had to kick his hands and he'd have cut himself in half.
Loving the comments trying to call out "nitpicking". Holding your blade behind your back and waiting for them to strike it, then taking a short pause afterwards just so you can express satisfaction is how you *annihilate* tension from a scene. Its how you tell your audience that nothing bad can happen to this character. It's unbelievably cringe.
Well I mean powerful force users are basically godlike, so it at least makes sense in lore that nothing is really that big a threat to them. Also weird the first criticism is the Jedi saw the blast coming before seeing it with physical perception. Um...she uses the force....like...wtf? They literally can see the future... The problem is with all the NPC's. They, like all movies, take turns on the good guys. This has always been the case and almost always happens. It's why they dont show you a wider shot.
@@nowayjosedanielit doesn’t matter how powerful they are, a good plot builds enough tension that there isn’t any relaxation during the fight. What’s the point of a climax fight if the viewer just sits back and knows no stakes are at risk? In phantom menace, we didn’t know what would happen with maul and Qui Gon. There was immense tension, no comic relief anywhere If we didn’t know the originals, there would be even more tension during the obi wan vs a Anakin fight. And even though we did, there STILL was tons of tension because of the story build up Mace windu vs Palpatine. Another one I don’t feel I have to explain Do you understand?
@@nowayjosedanielHe holds the saber behind his back a full 3 seconds before the other guy attacks. The guard easily can see him holding it there and just attack his legs. That isn’t precognition, that’s just the guard being an idiot. If he had held his sword behind his back just as his guard was already swinging at his back, that would be precognition.
@@nowayjosedanielhim holding his saber to his back waiting for the guard to attack wasn’t something he predicted and if that’s what they were going for they failed miserably showing it. He waited for 2 seconds then the guard swung. It just looked hilariously bad
@@Rr-rb9uv I understand fine, because you didnt need to explain this. You however didnt even try to understand my point. If you want to lecture a wall, just turn around and go at it. Also the Palpatine fight was going to be awesome, but George Lucas decided last moment to completely ruin it and make it awful. Go look it up. Finally, you know in 99% of cinema everyone knows the MC isnt going to lose the fight or suffer at all. So your weird insistence that the idea that we predetermining the hero will be fine and overpowered must be bad cinema, is just wrong.
I remember reading how Hayden Christiansen and Ewan McGregor spent months learning sword fighting and fencing to do their final fight in Revenge of the Sith. Disney had MORE than enough funding to give Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver the same treatment. Maybe even surpass them. It just breaks my heart.
It's on the actors to do the extra work. Hayden got slated for his performance but felt he was really good. Can see him turning. When he walks into the training center and the kid asks him what they should do and you see Hydens eyes was such a stand out scene. He killed all of them. Was the most brutal scene in any star wars movie
The fight choreography was fine (not great) in TFA and TLJ, but everything in TRoS was a trainwreck. When one performance is bad, it's probably bad acting. When every performance is bad, it's bad directing.
They had a VERY high bar in Phantom Menace in face of Darth Maul actor, it would be very strange if the Sith fought with choreography and Jedi fought like in original trilogy. So McGregor had to adapt to him, and then Hayden had to adapt to McGregor. Disney hadn't got such actor as Darth Maul
Odd then that fight is so boring with really bad decisions by the fighters too. 14min of a movie where the story doesn't advance at all. You learn nothing new, it just a lightshow. Swinging at the sticks instead of the person that has kept themselves wide open. Not swinging when they should have. And let's not forget the whole standing 2 feet away from each other and just waving the sticks around with no purpose. You guys are hilarious in your hypocrisy
The “random deflection” stuff I can get behind because Force users just have sick ass instincts (hammered in by the prequels a whole lot) but like why was the dude just shooting at the ceiling?
Yeah the deflections are fine, Jedi can sense danger and react to things before they even happen, but the choreography is so poor. If you see how they choreographed fights in the prequels they spent days working out a single fight scene doing it over and over and over until it was perfect.
I have another awkward theory that make =s sense but still doesn't work or justify bad scene execution...He's signaling the other RGs who are on a higher ridge of the cave (that second wave that AlsoAstranger counted exposed) to jump down and join the fight...because intercoms would betray their existence.
Man if I had a nickel for each time the elite royal guards were beat to shit in a terribly choreographed fight scene I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
The moment when Ben turns his back waiting for one of the guards to attack his sword is like that one move In a fighting game that only works as a counter against a random attack.
No most of the shots look to be going right above him. It must've been something they cut, but wtf would that be for a guard shooting continuously in the air during a fight. Shoot at the person with the lightsaber!
@@phillyskyguy9535 Did you know that you, personally, are not the universal arbiter of humor, and that what is 'funny' is actually subjectively determined by individuals? That's why the definition of a joke has to do with the intention to provoke laughter, not the result. This means that it does not matter if everybody in earshot of the joke starts cackling or nobody does, it is still a joke regardless.
The fact that one of *Palpatine's guards* is just shooting at the sky/ceiling (1:43) and another one is *literally just watching* Rey fighting (2:11) is laughable. I'd be embarrassed to say I worked in this movie...
Prequels: Clones shoot Jedi Masters to death after Order 66. Disney: Sith Troopers make a circle around Rey and take turns shooting each other and the ceiling.
@@guilhermencb The sky/ceiling was the real MVP 😂🙌🏼💥. Also, what were they thinking when they came up with the title "Sith trooper"? What's the difference? 🤦🏻♂️...
I do like seeing Ben Solo fight, but when he turns his back to the Knights of Ren, and then one of them hits Ben's lightsaber instead of literally anything else, that's when it gets quite bad.
It was SO LONG of a delay. A literal child could have accounted for that and switched to attack the legs. And it was so specific of an area they HAD to hit. They could have just swung harder and higher and made his lightsaber hit him, or gone literally like an inch or two lower and bit his arm/side.
the Corridor Crew shot there own lightsaber duel that is light-years better than what was used in the majority of the sequels. At a much lower budget as well.
Yup, I'm aware of their video! It is indeed quite crazy to see that a few, most probably less experienced people than those who worked in literal Hollywood movies, people were able to make a better duel just because they stopped to think through how fighting and basic logic works. I get that the protagonists can't be beaten in a situation where, in a more real situation, they'd have a very slim chance to win, but you can't tell me this COULDN'T have been done better lmao
@@sirwilly8084 Tbf Corridor did have better software and hardware compared to even the most recent star wars fights aka the prequels It'd be great to see how prequels fights looked with today's technology And yeah, corridor's fight is definitely the most grounded fight of all Star wars But i guess they did have the advantage of making a short battle rather than many battles in a movie saga
@pigstuck The thing with the Corridor fight is that it was lightsaber duel, not really a Jedi duel. The force isn't really accounted for, they just aimed to make realistic lightsabers. In an advanced force user fight there would be the flashiness that comes with being a space wizard (thing the original trilogy lacks), but the choreography should be really tight and calculated to show the characters are incredibly skilled and not just blindly swinging in front of their faces (thing a lot of fights in the prequels lack). That sadly leaves the only realistic force user fights to animated series happening on the sidelines instead of the main movies. Something that seems likely to remain unchanged as the current team working on the sequels can't even be bothered to plan and execute a decent choreography.
u people know nothing, that trooper was 3 steps foward. as the enemy spaceships are at the sky, he decided to give some backup by shooting from ground as the numerical advantage gave him confidence to focus on the main attack. what he didnt expected was that his team mates would develop idioticity and become useless in battle by some jedi trick
And that one that was just looking at rey is also big brain he was observing his opponent to know their fighting method thus knowing how to better use it's flaws, if he had survived he deserved a raise.
I agree with most of your complaints, but the ones where she blocks before something happens or is aware of something happening that she shouldn’t, that’s always been a thing. The force gives them a little bit of future sight when fighting. They can sense someone attacking and sense when someone is going to attack and how.
You're right She learned this in that 2 hours of training with a ball droid ye? Nice Jk im just searching for excuses lol, you're totally right tho that was my bad
Ok the force is strong but not that strong. She’s using it like it’s spider sense, heck even Obi Wan and Anakin weren’t doing this. They had to face it in order to deflect it, Rey just twirls her sober around and it magically deflects every single shot even when it’s behind her. Also the absurd use of deflecting blaster bolts with her her hand really annoys me because it’s used to such a stupid degree and is basically just a get out of jail free card in case they have to explain how she’s surviving
@@Fallout_Arts Also fair. I think the fact itself that she could tell an enemy was about to shoot her is fine But probably what she does AFTER knowing that she was gonna get shot is an issue
@@Fallout_Arts nah Anakin wasn't looking deflecting bolts in EP 3, you absolutely don't need to see the blaster bolts to deflect them. Kanan for example is blind and does just fine.
This just makes me appreciate the choreography in the prequels a lot more. I was excited for the fights in the sequels but I never expected them to be THIS bad
@@TheHarisBotic The prequels don't ever come close to an actual sword fight. It's just the speed that makes it somewhat believable. As soon as you slow it down you notice how ridiculous the moves are. The intent is never to kill your opponent but rather look as flashy as possible.
well my brother news alert, force powers and reflexes arent real, everything doesnt need to be autistically realistic, they can deflect blaster shots with their reflexes why cant they fight fast then with those reflexes, fúck the realistic sword fights i expect a non force user to fight realistically@@InsanityVonMike
@@TheHarisBotic You misunderstand me. I have nothing against the speed in its self. I'm saying that people praise the prequels for being fast and awesome, while the only thing the speed is doing is concealing bad choreography. Superhuman speed is awesome and a part of being a jedi at its highest peak, but the choreography is just as shitty if not worse than the sequels. I can still enjoy both though.
I love how some of those guards are just standing there, not shooting and enjoying the show. And they are supposedly very well trained but they shoot the ceiling
Same man, really goes to show how even cool battles (not saying this one is) need purpose and direction to be attention worthy, not memorable or fun, just plain interesting enough for someone to care. This is Steven Seagal mediocrity level bs.
I'm still amazed Lea can fly in space. Luke died becasue... he was tired? And Palpetine somehow returned. Oh did I mention that most of the Deathstar which exploaded to bits is on some planet.... oh f it. It's too many things.... girl from a sand planed can sail better than anyone ever. I had to.
I love the guy just randomly shooting at the ceiling. I just like to think he's just saying to himself "you know what, I'm going to die anyways, might as well just go hunting for the last few moments of my life....oh wait there's a ceiling...shit".
@@AlsoAStranger To be fair, if im against someone more skilled than me to a point anything i can do will rwsult to my death. Might as well shoot the ceilling to let some rage out.
The choreographer was like AW SHIT MUST ADD MORE FLASHING LIGHTS LEST MOVIEGOERS NOTICE THIS IS MORE AWKWARD THAN THE FIGHT SCENES IN THE ORIGINAL STAR TREK SERIES
You know, it could've worked if they made the ceiling fall on Rey to make it so that the guard is actually trying to crush Rey under a rubble instead of randomly shooting a ceeling
@@thecamocampaindude5167Because the fights must not FEEL like brutal fights anymore. The fights have to look and feel like they are just props executing a janky script and waiting for their cue to fall over, because that's what baddies are supposed to do, as in EVIL, NAZI MEN.
Disney, from what I hear, is pushing out another Rei Skywalker movie. I can only imagine how horrible shite that's going to be; and I can hardly wait to see people tear the movie to shreds.
Honestly the ben fight was kinda cool then HE JUST STANDS THIER WITH HIS LIGHTSABER ON HIS BACK AND SOMEHOW DEFLECTS A BLADE. In the theater I literally said wtf out loud
So I know this movie is shit but I remember how Force sensitive beings can anticipate something before it happens. So, by that logic Kylo knew what was about to happen and held that position??? This is just to take a stab at explaining the scene but maybe they just wanted it to look “cool” without logic. Again, this movie sucks so I am not a sympathizer/ justifier
@@S58B30T0 that’s how I’d imagine they would explain most of the blaster reflections and whatnot, but Kylo was basically just standing there waiting for him to attack. The guy had plenty of time to change the direction of his blade, and the way he’s holding the lightsaber should make his resistance weak asf. The guy should have been able to just smack his lightsaber and it would cut into his back. Even if not, he should have been able to swing again, not go flailing away like someone pushed him.
She's a fucking padawan, but somehow she can fight experienced Jedi and Sith. Didn't she beat cloned Sidious too? Who needs a Luke Skywalker when you have this horrible written character that's op for whatever reason.
@@thegrayowl1557 doesn’t change the fact that they wanted to beat her. Kylo shoulda beat Rey all the way back in episode 7. And every other time they fought. Also doesn’t excuse her being extremely proficient in other force abilities for no reason whatsoever. She’s extremely poorly written
Also, those two guys Ben stabbed, based on Reva, Sabine, The Grand Inquisitor and...Reva AGAIN, they should both be perfectly fine and only need about 24 hours or less to heal that up.
I have to disagree. Adam added to this trilogies shit level. Couldn't take him seriously. His character was a full Vader rip-off. Gets redeemed in only a few minutes when Anakin took almost a full movie to start waking up. He's a blatant idiot who didn't learn his lesson from the past. Why everyone loves this guy is beyond me when I'm seeing tons of things wrong with that character.
Say for yourself. Even Dora the Explorer is way more watchable than this wreck of a franchise. His emo streak don't make him a good actor, but i am willing to check him out in another movie
I think what's annoying is this scene looks bad even without breaking it down. The fight in 8 has some wonky choreography but it doesn't stick out the same way at all and has much more dynamic uses of lightsabers and the force.
Ok ngl I just watched the last Jedi again and I think the guards are supposed to be overly flamboyant. The choreography isn't awful it's just over the top
@@colesteinmetz nah the choreography sucks ass The guard with the 2 dagger things at one point has Rey in a chokehold with one hand and the dagger in his other, free hand just straight up disappears mid-shot Like he has it in his hand, the hand goes out of frame behind Rey for like a couple frames, and then when it reappears on the other side they have CGI’d out the dagger bc by all intents and purposes Rey should be dead right then
I'd say the main reason these fights look so bad is because the actors don't want to *actually* hit each other with their prop weapons, but also because of reshoots where they pick and choose the best takes out of several. Still, it never hurts to make them more believable, even if the moves are risky. In Lord of the Rings, Viggo (Aragorn) actually deflects a real knife with his sword, and he even breaks his toe when kicking a helmet when his characterthinks the Hobbits are dead, and keeps on acting through the pain.
@@penguinyen645 they can literally shoot the Scene with a lightsaber prop thats Made Out of soft plastic and would bei finde If they Hit wach Others. In the Fight in the deathstar Rey missed kylo by Meters even tho He wasnt moving at all.
1:31 dude I completely lost it in this part. I mean look at him! He really is just standing there “enjoying the show” lol 😆. Also I still remember my first reaction at the part where Ben is blocking that blade attack. I was like: “wait what just happened? Did the actors just mess up in that fight?”
The most annoying thing here is that Rey's movements are actually pretty believable. She could've done a few more takes, but given what's established it honestly feels alright. It's the fact that the guards, which there are only six of, take turns, the director seemingly phoned it in, one of them just shoots his friend with no real prompting, none of them advance, or step back, or dodge, or aim, or whatever. It's compounding the issues that most of the sequel fights had, all at once and to their greatest extreme. Not enough takes, awful director, less than zero direction for vfx guys, it hurts, especially knowing how excited the actors were for it and how much Ridley and Driver actually practiced for the first movie and how little of their effort paid off.
I blame most of episode 9’s issues on Rian Johnson. In episode 7 it was very much implied/guaranteed that Snoke was gonna be the big bad (he even had the Palpatine hologram of his head like come on) of the trilogy. Rey was theorised to be a Palpatine on day 1 of the movie and that may or may not have been JJ’s plan from the beginning. Phasma might have been planned to last until Episode 9 (or could have really always just been just Boba Fett 2 who dies in the sequel). Then came Rian Johnson, that dickhead, and went and ruined absolutely everything that JJ was and may have been planning, out of seemingly pure spite and/or ego and/or stupidity: - He killed Snoke - He killed _and_ ruined Luke - He ruined any potential build-up for Rey’s origin - He wrote the 2 absolute worst characters in fiction - He ruined Hux - He killed Phasma and Finn’s character arc (maybe Phasma was always supposed to die in 8, but I’m gonna put it on the list of Rian’s crimes anyway because he deserves no benefit of the doubt) With all of that, Rian left JJ with barely anything to work with, like when your little brother obliterates your biggest and most expensive LEGO set and then comes to you, hands the desecrated corpse of your LEGO over and says “please fix it”. Rian Johnson, with is incredibly awful decisions for Episode 8, forced JJ Abrams’ hand to make most of Episode 9 the way it is. Now whether or not Episode 9 would have been better with Snoke and most of the other characters (Luke in particular) alive is unknown sadly. But I think we should cut JJ Abrams some slack because Rian Johnson ruined the whole thing out of spite because he could only direct 1 movie. JJ Abrams still made some bafflingly awful decisions though don’t get me wrong, like killing Ben, which robbed him of his punishment and fully fledged redemption arc
@@jonathan45564 Yeah, the fact that the trilogy was split between two directors is a recipe for disaster (tbh even in Marvel when they have two or more directors for one character's movies it becomes silly. Just compare how James Gunn always directed GoG when... idk Thor got different directors) Rian is much at blame. No denying that. However, J.J. just wasn't good for Star Wars either. He got hired for the new trilogy and what was his best idea? "Idk i'm just gonna do what was already done in the past" And he did it badly too. TFA might look ok at first, but if you delve into it there's a lot wrong with it. And btw, the Palpatine thing? Yeah J.J. never planned for it. Daisy said it in an interview that AS OF THE FILMING OF TROS she did not know who her parents or grandparents were. She said at first it was thought about her being a Kenobi, then it actually went to her being a nobody, and finally a Palpatine. But while filming she had no idea who she was. A series of movies is better built by one director only as a director is who injects the vision of the film and story. It's better for consistency and tone. Idk why they just couldn't stick with one director. And I don't know who decided Rian or J.J. were good candidates
When I first watched Episode IX I thought it was just too dark to tell what was going on. It was only later that I would discover the people making this movie didn’t know what was going on either
To be fair, it was done by kylo in the sequels and vader in the OT That said, they are powerful force users trained in the arts of the sith Not an untrained user like Rey
Problem is they didn't care about the choreography, they just wanted the main characters to look cool then everyone else just haphazardly follows what they're doing
The literal only way to make this whole thing cannon, and still make it not ruin the whole franchise, is to make it so Rey is telling this as an old lady to Ben Solo's children, while they look at her and say "But how come Dad is here right now?" and then the camera pans to Kylo and he says "I think it's time for bed." and Rey just smiles to Kylo as she lifts his child up and gives it back to him. An old lady telling a bedtime story. Then you can make the real sequel trilogy.
I'm reminded of the legendary "Star Wars Kid" meme and all its subsequent versions with added CGI and I can't help but notice how miles better (at least in terms of entertainment) it is when compared to this braindead wreck of a movie.
It’s like they had Rey do whatever, spin the lightsaber around and pretend she was fighting, and then told the guard actors to pretend to shoot and fall over periodically, and then animated in the lasers after and said “cool, looks good, let’s go to lunch”
Dude i sometimes forget this movie even exists ngl Like the choreograpy, writing and everything is just so weird The actors did what they could with what they were given imo And the worst part is... I went to the cinema with expectations so damn low that i actually manage to enjoy the film... But yeah this trilogy can be summed up in little words: A lot of wasted potential
I envy you yet I'm honestly happy you enjoyed it. My expectations could be located approximately a mile below the Mariana Trench but still I left the theater wanting to swallow a live grenade. God bless you.
I have a little the opposite. I came in with the worst expectations, but came out incredibly disappointed and angry. They not only ruined the potential, but also destroyed what they had achieved before.
Not the cool magic you get going to Disneyland or seeing Vader kill the Emperor. Magic like the old man down the street showing you a card trick everyone knows and acting like he's the greatest showman. Edit: Excuse me, seeing Vader *almost* kill the Emperor. Pardon my French.
You know, now that I’ve seen the throne room fight scene in the Last Jedi and this scene from the Rise of Skywalker, I’m glad we didn’t see Palpatine’s guards fight at all during Return of the Jedi
Meanwhile Filoni had probably a fraction of the budget, only 2 dualists and motion capture but still delivered an absolute beast of a fight with Ahsoka vs. Maul.
Same. What I think was supposed to happen was Kylo was gonna block the attack but didnt have enough space to lean back, so he turned around, put his lightsaber behind him, and leaned forwards. Interesting concept on paper, but it got all screwed up in filming.
well atleast the knights of ren werent like snokes knockoff imperial guard..those dudes litterary where just spinning around and waving around..the knights of ren actually attempted something
@@Geshiko-GuP Their best effort being... Standing around! Walking! Not capturing the heroes on multiple occasions! Also spinning a bunch! Attacking the saber and not kylo! lol both were bad for their own reasons
@@XentinelSB there was like a 2 second delay between him doing that move and the weapons clashing that it looks so bad, like how could they not attack anywhere but the lightsaber on his back
Probably my favorite move in the entire movie is Rey's first strike against Kylo on the Death Star ruins. Kylo is standing directly in front of her. I don't think he even has his lightsaber ignited at this point. Yet instead of slashing anywhere NEAR him, she takes an outward, overhead arching swing, as if she was knocking something out of the sky. Completely over both of their heads.
He doesn't have his lightsaber out. And until he draws it, she never once actually aims for him. Just keeps swinging overhead or to the side. If he stood still, she'd have never hit him.
@@TraceguyRune Um no. Disney made real star wars laser rifles to give it a more realistic effect, they did the same for lightsabers during the last jedi where they made Kylo Ren's lightsaber real but a stunt double accidently cut his hand off so lightsabers stayed cgi but blasters and their shots are real.
How the hell did they have a guy shooting the ceiling. I mean imagine telling the actor to aim at the sky while the action is happening on the freaking ground lol. Also amazing video man, I never watched the movie with full attention nor I would have ever caught this but it really shows the lack of care and passion of Disney and how money hungry they are. I know that's old news but its still very true to this day.
Ben killing the Knights of Ren was the most Sith thing he could've done. He grew up with them and made ZERO effort to turn them to his side or dismember them and try to continue reasoning with them the way Vader made EVERY EFFORT in the original trilogy not to kill Leia and Luke. I rewatched the original Trilogy and realized how extremely lenient he was to Luke and Leia that made me feel like the guy was a good guy, not a nice guy, but secretly a good guy. (At least depicted as such in the movies, don't come at me with expanded lore.)
Vader literally tortured Leia to get the location of the rebel base. And he also tried and almost succeeded to kill Luke, if Han had not come to his rescue in the last second. Nothing lenient about it. But that was the first movie, when it was not even yet decided that Luke, Leia and Vader are family. And from there on, if Vader was lenient towards Leia and Luke, that was just because he wanted something from them.
@@teramalik7260 Vader did not know that Luke and Leia were his children in the first movie (also due to, as you said, it not being yet decided) He comes to know that Luke is his son after ANH, and finds out Leia is his daughter in ROTJ So it makes sense that he is ok with causing harm to them both He does still harm his children to some degree in the next movies, but he never went to the lengths of killing or wanting to kill them, with the events in Cloud City being the proof of it Even if keeping them alive was to get something from them, he never would have gone so far as to end them He may not have been a good father, but he was still a father and he realized that. That's the good that Luke saw in him
Yeah that certain something was...oh yeah what OP stated. That after realizing Luke was his son envisioned them being together and ruling the galaxy together. We have no idea how Vader would have ran the Empire if he had pure control.@@teramalik7260
The Knights of Ren shouldn't even have been a thing, since they didn't use them for anything relevant anyway. Suddenly giving them lines at the climax of the 3rd movie would have been as weird as them not having any lines at all, because we didn't know anything about them. And at that point it would have been to late to get to know them. We had no reason to care what happened to them, they were just intimidating extras. We didn't even get a facial expression. Across 3 movies. And these are supposed to be like family to the main antagonist of the trilogy. What a joke. And no, even if Sheev was "behind it all" he can't be the main antagonist of the trilogy, since he only apears in one movie. Kylo is the bad guy for 2 and a half movies.
Even weird stuff like ben holding his lightsaber behind his back could have worked with better timing. Going back and watching the later seasons of clone wars duels makes this so much more painful. Especially dooku vs anakin and obiwan. Absolutely beautiful fight while keeping their fighting styles in character
@@aratay3117 oh i’m not putting the whole blame on the editor, i’m sure he just gave up by the time he got to that sequence. Still trying to figure out what the Guard is shooting at lmao
That back turn thing is the kind of thing where you go “Oh that’s kinda cool” and then realize it makes zero sense. Like yes let me turn away from combat and wait a few seconds, surely they’ll just aim for my sword…like if you want to do a back turn thing, unnecessary as it may be, it has to be fast, like the swing was already in motion.
I think in theory it could work here as a sort of flex. Ben is a Force user, which means he can sense when things are going to happen before they actually do. This is the entire reason behind Jedi and Sith having the universal ability to deflect blaster fire with a lightsaber accurately and repeatedly. It wouldn’t be too hard for one to decide “heh, this loser’s gonna swing right here, so I’ll style on him” and strike that pose a split second before the weapon hits just because they can. However it clearly wasn’t choreographed that way and as a result it looks goofy as hell.
this has to be some of Disney's laziest work. they thought they could give us any star wars movie and everyone would just automatically love it because Sidious is back, the new main character is way too OP, and they touched it up with slightly comedic edge lord.
They were definitely trying to mimic the Prequels. They just tried to do it with low effort. Entirely missing the point. I mean if there is one thing the Prequels went 100% effort for, it was lightsaber choreography. That's how we got duels like Anakin vs Obi-Wan.
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a wise man actually once said
"Wow...that was shit"
Sooooo how would you defend against a light saber then ? Lmao my guess is u would look way worse than these guys but okay real life walking hater u are hold that L
I feel like the only weird thing in this video is the part where you point out how she "magically deflects a shot" since that's a thing that just about every Jedi does at some point
outside of that yeah as someone who enjoyed TFA and TLJ and their fight scenes, TRoS is really disappointing
@@atocanboi409 "magically knows" is the only point I'll see as a mistake of mine
by "magically deflecting" i mean that she doesn't show intention to deflect
she moves her saber without much thought and it happens to be in the way of incoming shots
This scene and 8's throne room scene share choreography that's biased towards the main characters. Almost nobody approaches behind a character for example lol
I’m surprised none of the guards accidentally shot Palpatine out of sheer incompetence.
LMAO imagine that's how it all ended
Did anakin, the chosen one, bring balance to the galaxy? no
Did luke? no
Did any other jedi? no
Did rey sue? nope
His own servant.
@@AlsoAStranger true
Palpatine would deal with that bolt easily.
Would have made for a better plot twist tbh..
@@nightshiftrider819 Then his soul will pass on to that guard or… something. I don’t remember what Palpatine’s plan was.
Oh man, that scene where Ben just turns his back to the guards and waits for them to aim for his sword is hilarious
His shoelaces got untied, he needed to fix that
there would not be a problem with it if he would not wait for eternity giving so much time for the knights of ren to attack his legs.. and they are all force sensitive as well so it is bigger bs that Ben just did that for that long
@@marco002 Yeah the problem with this is how he rotate his saber, place it in his back and there's a useless zoom on him waiting for the hit. I'm sure they intended us to think everything happened fast and at the same time but it just felt like he was waiting to be cut in half.
I think what they were going for was something similar to Anakin’s spinning blocks in Episode 3, but then sequel syndrome kicked in and, well, this happened. It’s a shame because there’s some really cool choreography that can happen in the Star Wars universe, but the sequels don’t even try and make it look good.
Sequel syndrome, btw, is like the reverse Midas touch: everything it touches becomes shit
@@hxcvocalist it looks like something you fix in editing but some how no one caught. Literally if the strike came at the precise moment he assumed the position it actually would have looked kind of cool. And all you really have to do is some quick computer edits, delete the space in between, and boom you got a cool looking scene.
The only way to forgive this is to reveal that Rey passively emits a Force power that causes severe brain damage in everyone around her.
"Force Alzheimer"
Pretty sure she just causes lethal horniness instead
Ah so that explains it
Explains why Finn started kinda cool but prolonged exposure to Rey turned him into a broken record.
That ability would be the only way to make people like these movies.
Look, man
That ceiling had been giving that guard a hard time for years and, knowing he was gonna die, he had to take it out as his last act.
Ikr, so nitpicky, this is subtle storytelling, that guard's parents were killed by that ceiling
“If I die, I want to take out the ceiling that fucked my wife.”
I am literally baffled by that shot I mean who approved that? Who decided that acting like shooting the ceiling during the scene was a good idea and who in the post production actually thought that yeah this scene makes sense lets add the blaster bolts to him?
@@LeumazDnazor CAAAAEEEEEEESAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!
What did the ceiling do to him?
The dude shooting the ceiling was hilarious. Whoever was in charge of that part wanted this movie to fail🤣
Nah man he just saw a spider
Haha reminds me of the clone in Revenge if the Sith who also saw a spider. Instead of shooting a Jedi three meters away he shoots at a column all the way across the Jedi temple!
@@TK422 Idk about you but for the empire and whatnot to have bad aim some of them have fucking 30/20 eyesight
@@AlsoAStranger at least they are more accurate than clone troopers! I don’t know what you are watching 😉 but we cleared hallways in our first cinematic appearance. We took down Sandcrawlers, and nearly wiped out the rebellion fleet. Not to mention we blasted 3PO to bits, caused the rebellion to flee Hoth, killed many on Endor and shot the Princess of Alderaan in the arm and R2-D2.
"Alright, so am I shooting at Rey for her to deflect, or am I shooting near her so she can dodge?"
"Neither, just shoot straight up bro"
"...why?"
"The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider... unnatural."
The 5 guards who weren’t there before:
“some how 5 guards returned”
Will the fake deaths ever end
The fake deaths are becoming more and more common.
Coincidence?
I think not!@@AlsoAStranger
Nah bro they have totems of undyin, they chillin.
@@fanndyeffendy2672 bros hit the Minecraft Raid Farm before going to the boss fight but one of them forgor his totem 😞
@@swagathan5 Rip to the one guy
Sounds like something an ACTUAL MYTH would include: She was so skilled she got 10 kills while fighting 6 soldiers.
HAX
Yeah, it sounds like something out of a western: he killed 3 guys with a single bullet
This is some John Wick shit.
@@niklasmalcharczyk like them Jenkins brothers! Killed em all with one bullet, all 7 of them!
Yes they try show how she is somehow powerful, while here movie does not make sence, when she does not look powerful, if her enemies are directed to be absolute stupid morons who have no clue how to fight in sitution where your life is in the line.
You're missing the reason behind him shooting at the ceiling.
He's a guard, right? Clearly he saw his comrades fall so his default thought process is "must've been the wind" so he took care of that imminent threat, duh 🙄💅🏻
Oh geez you're right
I'm so sorry I don't know how I could have missed that
@@AlsoAStranger its ok we all make mistakes
At this point I'm still confused about why they didn't just give Rey a double lightsaber from the start. She literally uses a staff in the first movie of the sequels, so it would make sense basing her fighting style off something she is familiar with.
But nope, another wasted opportunity to add to the pile.
they even gave her one in her dark side vision and yet even after getting her yellow saber they stick with the boring single blade.
That was the plan in the concept art
@Reaver The new lego star wars has that sith version as a full playable character. Seeing rey with the double lightsaber just fit so god damn well. Why did they not go with it? Was it because Darth Maul had one? Just Why not?
@@NrettG I guess the people in charge of that decision never saw anything star wars related other than the movies and (obviously wrongly) concluded that double lightsabers belong to the baddies therefore they cannot give one to the main character?
Just a guess though.
@@NrettG lol not giving the main character a double bladed saber because some red guy had it, sounds kinda racist
It’s embarrassing that a goddamn Lego game did this scene better. A GODDAMN LEGO GAME!!!
@@ethrawn373 true. But at least the fighting looks better than in the movie.
@@guspeixoto7740 you do the fighting so it’s not the game
@@guspeixoto7740 okay the sequels are shit but kinda sound like your giving it too much hate if your saying a lego game looks better... I mean some times it did look better but not always buddy
Now i don't like the sequels as much as the next guy but no
Lego Star Wars is the best version of Star Wars, no question
What I find the worst about the Ben fight is that it is choreographed like he's fighting random guards, just like Rey. But those are his former pupils, his former friends he's killing. The choreography doesn't reflect that at all.
Dementia moment
He just forgor
It turns out that the Knigts of Ren were the og ones and Ben just killed the og Kylo and the rest just followed him
So whatever happenend to the other Jedi pupils?!
IDK, maybe the just didn't sign back their contracts.
@@dougdayz7079Excuse me, WHAT!?
@@Genburthing Knights of Ren are not jedi but just another galactic gangstas!
@@dougdayz7079 Thats just sad, oh my god
Palpatine didnt even have the decency to clone some competent members or training a bunch of siths and just take the first gang that he found?
I think the most baffling part of this is the guards who are just standing still at ease during some shots. You would think when filming this, you would avoid that stance at all times because it's the ONE way to look completely unnatural. How did this get by the choreography directing??
Because the plot was rushed to shit. Quick move on to the next scene before anyone notices
bold of you to asume there even was a choreography detection
Even Christopher Nolan knows not to make that mistake. His fight choreography in his earlier films wasn't great, but he knew there needed to be kineticism
because nobody cared, Disney knew the movie was going to make money no matter how trash it was
It's a common enough thing in fight scenes with more than two guys. But that's part of the job of choreographing fight scenes: make sure the audience sees guys fighting, and _doesn't_ see a bunch of guys standing around _not_ fighting.
The sequels overall look visually stunning, but when you take a minute to properly look at what's actually happening... oh no.
I think it looks so over saturated and there's always weird lightings, lightinings and colours all around melting your eyes, lol.
Right?! Some of the praetorian guards in tlj are pirouetting around these two and there's also a moment where one of them has two knife weapons before Rey covers him and then he magically has only one lmao
Sounds like a Snyder film. The first thing people ALWAYS bring up with him is visuals. But visuals by themselves just become soulless images without well-crafted characters and a good story.
And even the visuals pale in comparison to Revenge of the Sith.
@@7hew0lv3r1ne Snyder films look like shit
I literally DIED laughing when I saw the guy obliterating the ceiling. Like "f8ck Rey, I'm gonna intimidate her with a warning shot or smth"
_maybe his idea was to make the ceiling collapse on her... maybe we're just too dumb to understand his gigabrain..._
It obvious that rey used the force, forcing his gun up the ceiling.
@@KK-ro7gx Nowhere in the shots that was shown, we just saw a guy shooting the ceiling
Hey, maybe it WAS indeed her using the force
But we don't see that happening, that's why it looks stupid
Dude just went with the gangsta/bank robbery move of emptying the mag in the air
When does that happen? I paid almost no attention in these movies
they tried to spice up the saber combat just like how the prequels did, but they (THE SEQUELS) failed horribly
Indeed
I know there's some bad choreography in the prequels as well, since they had to make the fights more interesting to watch, but they are not as bad as the sequels
@@AlsoAStranger I would love to see a vid like this for the fight on mustafar or whatever it’s called
@@kukukhameleon The fight on Mustafar? You mean the one where Kylo is searching for the wayfinder?
@@AlsoAStranger no the one in ep3 of anakin v kenobi
@@kukukhameleon oh! I see
Shadiversity's video has an in-depth analysis on it!
ruclips.net/video/gvW4touytkc/видео.html
I realize it's not a short content version like my video but that surely will cover every bit of the battle
Duuuuude. I never even thought about the multiple shots taken of the same scene just different camera angles. You have opened my eyes. Thank you
How much lazier can they get?
The fact that the Emperor’s Royal Guard are supposed to be the best of the best and they miss at point blank really shows how bad they scripted these fights.
It’s just the empires propaganda that made you think they were so good
@@Spartan-kc1qt Bruh there are canon comics were you can see them train and they are the best of the best but the second they fight against rey or kylo they become trash
@@Spartan-kc1qt Excuse me BUDDY, IT’S THE FIRST ORDER, and imagine you are going to attack the Emperor or Snoke, and you expect his guards to be CRACKED but they just do what they did in this film. That’s not propaganda, that’s bad scripting because they were supposed to be GOATED at combat in order to protect these important characters.
And there's literally a guard watching Rey kill his teammates... what the hell is this fight
Yep, the sovereign guards are just as mindless as stormtroopers now. The only difference is that they're red and have a different blaster. They do this too much. They make a new "Elite" unit that we barely see and gets destroyed by the main characters with ease. At least show them being slightly competent. Just look at the inquisitors from rebels.
Prequels : known for awesome lightsaber battles
Original trilogy : emotional battles
Sequels: puts lightsaber behind his back and they hit it
OT: Rubbish fights between an untrained kid and a crusty ass cyborg, but lots of emotional throughs.
PT: Rediculous but awesome laser sword ballets, sometimes including CGI dudes making for unique scenarios. Grievous' lightsaber blender is kickass to this day.
ST:
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 original trilogy was limited and if you watched them when they came out you'd be licking the cinema screen
That part was just plain stupid. He literally opened all barriers and they could have killed him in one shot lmao
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 exactly
Is it weird if I think that the sequel has done the force better than the prequels and original?
Feel bad for Daisy and especially Adam. Both great actors who are capable of good choreography, robbed because of shit writing and choreography directors and everything else.
Yes! The actors were great, it's just the directing and writing that were the problem
Sorry but calling Daisy’s acting on the sequels as “good” is pushing it beyond the limits of common sense.
She did good in TRoS tbh, but the first two movies? Yikes . Just REALLY out acted by Adam Driver or even John B.
This trilogy is so fucking weird tbh. The amount of resources and how they utterly wasted them is beyond me . Like an insane level of incompetence.
Daisy could’ve been far better, but I guess the directors didn’t give a shit as well
@@danielz-v4083 I think she did the best she could with what she was given. She isn’t the best actor, doesn’t have a heap of range, but I don’t think the character could’ve been performed much better considering how bland it is.
either way this shit was hilarious 😂
The writing was great and the choreography was good. This video has zero valid criticisms. All of them can be explained with the use of a working brain.
@@ReySkywalker2 how much is Disney paying you bro
"Hold on let me bend over facing away from you while holding a plasma blade along my spine."
Dude only had to kick his hands and he'd have cut himself in half.
Fr it's so bad it's good
@@aishikmukherjee8438 It's so bad it's bad.
You get a good laugh out of it. @@Kinosis79
Yeah that was an implausibly long wait of Kylo, I nocticed while still in the cinema.
Suspension of disbelief.
@@aishikmukherjee8438no
Loving the comments trying to call out "nitpicking". Holding your blade behind your back and waiting for them to strike it, then taking a short pause afterwards just so you can express satisfaction is how you *annihilate* tension from a scene. Its how you tell your audience that nothing bad can happen to this character. It's unbelievably cringe.
Well I mean powerful force users are basically godlike, so it at least makes sense in lore that nothing is really that big a threat to them.
Also weird the first criticism is the Jedi saw the blast coming before seeing it with physical perception. Um...she uses the force....like...wtf? They literally can see the future...
The problem is with all the NPC's. They, like all movies, take turns on the good guys. This has always been the case and almost always happens. It's why they dont show you a wider shot.
@@nowayjosedanielit doesn’t matter how powerful they are, a good plot builds enough tension that there isn’t any relaxation during the fight. What’s the point of a climax fight if the viewer just sits back and knows no stakes are at risk?
In phantom menace, we didn’t know what would happen with maul and Qui Gon. There was immense tension, no comic relief anywhere
If we didn’t know the originals, there would be even more tension during the obi wan vs a Anakin fight. And even though we did, there STILL was tons of tension because of the story build up
Mace windu vs Palpatine. Another one I don’t feel I have to explain
Do you understand?
@@nowayjosedanielHe holds the saber behind his back a full 3 seconds before the other guy attacks. The guard easily can see him holding it there and just attack his legs. That isn’t precognition, that’s just the guard being an idiot. If he had held his sword behind his back just as his guard was already swinging at his back, that would be precognition.
@@nowayjosedanielhim holding his saber to his back waiting for the guard to attack wasn’t something he predicted and if that’s what they were going for they failed miserably showing it. He waited for 2 seconds then the guard swung. It just looked hilariously bad
@@Rr-rb9uv I understand fine, because you didnt need to explain this. You however didnt even try to understand my point. If you want to lecture a wall, just turn around and go at it.
Also the Palpatine fight was going to be awesome, but George Lucas decided last moment to completely ruin it and make it awful. Go look it up.
Finally, you know in 99% of cinema everyone knows the MC isnt going to lose the fight or suffer at all. So your weird insistence that the idea that we predetermining the hero will be fine and overpowered must be bad cinema, is just wrong.
This is like if someone took the flirting dialogue from Attack of the Clones and converted it into lightsaber fight format.
Dear God.
The only thing is that the flirting in AotC was supposed to be awkward, these fights however...
@@Xaiclunthere’s good awkward writing like napoleon dynamite and then there’s bad awkward dialogue like twilight
@@alexpollock6932the akward flirt in AotC was meant to represent anakin's lack of social skills, as he grew in the battlefield
@@caosin3667 And yet Padme fell for him. I love the prequels, but I'm tired of this excuse.
I will say Kylo forgetting he doesn’t have the crossguard is funny
Muscle memory can be a bitch in that case lol
Imagine he got his hand cut off because he thought he still had a crossguard
I will say, I like that detail that kylo is so used to wielding the crossguard that when he doesn't have it he fights like he still has it.
@@larrypoppins6273 It's realistic, I dig it
Is that in this clip?
when does this happen?
I remember reading how Hayden Christiansen and Ewan McGregor spent months learning sword fighting and fencing to do their final fight in Revenge of the Sith.
Disney had MORE than enough funding to give Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver the same treatment. Maybe even surpass them.
It just breaks my heart.
It's on the actors to do the extra work. Hayden got slated for his performance but felt he was really good. Can see him turning. When he walks into the training center and the kid asks him what they should do and you see Hydens eyes was such a stand out scene. He killed all of them. Was the most brutal scene in any star wars movie
@@orinorio1Dude the part where his mum dies is the worst. At least you can meme the younglings getting killed.
The fight choreography was fine (not great) in TFA and TLJ, but everything in TRoS was a trainwreck. When one performance is bad, it's probably bad acting. When every performance is bad, it's bad directing.
They had a VERY high bar in Phantom Menace in face of Darth Maul actor, it would be very strange if the Sith fought with choreography and Jedi fought like in original trilogy. So McGregor had to adapt to him, and then Hayden had to adapt to McGregor. Disney hadn't got such actor as Darth Maul
Odd then that fight is so boring with really bad decisions by the fighters too.
14min of a movie where the story doesn't advance at all. You learn nothing new, it just a lightshow. Swinging at the sticks instead of the person that has kept themselves wide open. Not swinging when they should have. And let's not forget the whole standing 2 feet away from each other and just waving the sticks around with no purpose.
You guys are hilarious in your hypocrisy
fuck that ceiling all my homies hate ceiling
This post was made by the #noceiling gang
Fr tho
I lost it when I saw how he shot the ceiling 😂😂
@@AlsoAStranger _floor gang floor gang_
it was a jedi mind trick
The “random deflection” stuff I can get behind because Force users just have sick ass instincts (hammered in by the prequels a whole lot) but like why was the dude just shooting at the ceiling?
Because fuck this ceiling
Because this film was rushed and not planned
He didn't actually want to be there, so he thought that if he just made enough noise people would think he's contributing.
He saw a bird
Yeah the deflections are fine, Jedi can sense danger and react to things before they even happen, but the choreography is so poor. If you see how they choreographed fights in the prequels they spent days working out a single fight scene doing it over and over and over until it was perfect.
What if Kylo was in the air and he's shooting at that, not the ceiling
Kylo be [Insert shooting stars meme song here]
I have another awkward theory that make =s sense but still doesn't work or justify bad scene execution...He's signaling the other RGs who are on a higher ridge of the cave (that second wave that AlsoAstranger counted exposed) to jump down and join the fight...because intercoms would betray their existence.
@@tmiicon2925 New headcanon. Thank you.
@@tmiicon2925 that's a good thought too
Do you really think they thought of that? (That’s too smart of an explanation for them to have thought of, considering the rest of the fight.)
she pressed f9 to quickoad, thats how 5 of the guards came back
"Shoots the fucking ceiling" *- I can't miss if i'm not aiming at her 😎*
Man if I had a nickel for each time the elite royal guards were beat to shit in a terribly choreographed fight scene I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
LMAO
@ET Hardcorgamer fair
If this joke was stolen, it was stolen accidentally
@@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308 sorry i was hater yesterday jsks
@@AlsoAStranger ur not a bot and ur replying to all comments. Ur one of the greatest ma guy
The moment when Ben turns his back waiting for one of the guards to attack his sword is like that one move In a fighting game that only works as a counter against a random attack.
Bro threw out a counter and the guard decided to keep doing his smash attack anyways
Ben's turn!
Ben used skill "back defense"!
Guard's turn!
Guard thinking...
Guard decided to attack Ben's back!
Guard's attack got blocked!
1:45 The Tropper shooting at ceiling tried to make a Rock fall down in Rey's Head. 200iq 🗿🗿
No most of the shots look to be going right above him. It must've been something they cut, but wtf would that be for a guard shooting continuously in the air during a fight. Shoot at the person with the lightsaber!
You don’t get the joke huh?
@@dest3953 it's not a joke unless it's funny. I personally didn't find it funny. I was just pointing out what we see and realism
@@phillyskyguy9535 Did you know that you, personally, are not the universal arbiter of humor, and that what is 'funny' is actually subjectively determined by individuals? That's why the definition of a joke has to do with the intention to provoke laughter, not the result. This means that it does not matter if everybody in earshot of the joke starts cackling or nobody does, it is still a joke regardless.
Personally, I laughed
The fact that one of *Palpatine's guards* is just shooting at the sky/ceiling (1:43) and another one is *literally just watching* Rey fighting (2:11) is laughable. I'd be embarrassed to say I worked in this movie...
🤣🤣🤣
Exactly. Wtf went through the heads of the choreographers, this fight is ridiculous and pointless
Prequels: Clones shoot Jedi Masters to death after Order 66.
Disney: Sith Troopers make a circle around Rey and take turns shooting each other and the ceiling.
@@guilhermencb The sky/ceiling was the real MVP 😂🙌🏼💥. Also, what were they thinking when they came up with the title "Sith trooper"? What's the difference? 🤦🏻♂️...
@@MiguelMedVThey wear red armor and are therefore more powerful and intimidating. Because…, red is a pretty scary color ngl
I do like seeing Ben Solo fight, but when he turns his back to the Knights of Ren, and then one of them hits Ben's lightsaber instead of literally anything else, that's when it gets quite bad.
Yeah like what even was that pause? It was so stupid and unnecessary.
It was SO LONG of a delay. A literal child could have accounted for that and switched to attack the legs.
And it was so specific of an area they HAD to hit. They could have just swung harder and higher and made his lightsaber hit him, or gone literally like an inch or two lower and bit his arm/side.
Something similar happens in EP8 throne room. The enemy makes an attack but aims for the saber blade.
@@hazmatt3250 Abrams has completely lost it, he needs to retire lmao
If I was the guard I would have attack his ass just for the heck of it lol
the Corridor Crew shot there own lightsaber duel that is light-years better than what was used in the majority of the sequels. At a much lower budget as well.
Yup, I'm aware of their video!
It is indeed quite crazy to see that a few, most probably less experienced people than those who worked in literal Hollywood movies, people were able to make a better duel just because they stopped to think through how fighting and basic logic works.
I get that the protagonists can't be beaten in a situation where, in a more real situation, they'd have a very slim chance to win, but you can't tell me this COULDN'T have been done better lmao
Bro no fight in Star Wars is as good as that vid if we’re talking abt the same thing that is it was supposed to look realistic
@@sirwilly8084 Tbf Corridor did have better software and hardware compared to even the most recent star wars fights aka the prequels
It'd be great to see how prequels fights looked with today's technology
And yeah, corridor's fight is definitely the most grounded fight of all Star wars
But i guess they did have the advantage of making a short battle rather than many battles in a movie saga
And the fact that it's realistic too.
@pigstuck The thing with the Corridor fight is that it was lightsaber duel, not really a Jedi duel. The force isn't really accounted for, they just aimed to make realistic lightsabers.
In an advanced force user fight there would be the flashiness that comes with being a space wizard (thing the original trilogy lacks), but the choreography should be really tight and calculated to show the characters are incredibly skilled and not just blindly swinging in front of their faces (thing a lot of fights in the prequels lack).
That sadly leaves the only realistic force user fights to animated series happening on the sidelines instead of the main movies. Something that seems likely to remain unchanged as the current team working on the sequels can't even be bothered to plan and execute a decent choreography.
this is the first time I’m seeing any actual footage from this movie and I get the feeling that I really didn’t miss out
u people know nothing, that trooper was 3 steps foward. as the enemy spaceships are at the sky, he decided to give some backup by shooting from ground as the numerical advantage gave him confidence to focus on the main attack. what he didnt expected was that his team mates would develop idioticity and become useless in battle by some jedi trick
Oh thank you for clarifying, I was so confused
Is this a joke or you are dumb? You think a blaster can damage a f*cking Starship? He's shooting death star lasers?
He is just big brained
And that one that was just looking at rey is also big brain he was observing his opponent to know their fighting method thus knowing how to better use it's flaws, if he had survived he deserved a raise.
@@AlsoAStranger It's big brain time
1:00 I always wondered why he did this. After watching this video, I still wonder why he did this
As Qui-Gon once said... "He can see things before they happen"
catch his breath i guess
Why didn't the attacker just swing a lil lower?
"hopefully they slash at my back or I'm fucked."
@@kwamemwangs2173 because shut up that's why ;)
I agree with most of your complaints, but the ones where she blocks before something happens or is aware of something happening that she shouldn’t, that’s always been a thing. The force gives them a little bit of future sight when fighting. They can sense someone attacking and sense when someone is going to attack and how.
You're right
She learned this in that 2 hours of training with a ball droid ye? Nice
Jk im just searching for excuses lol, you're totally right tho that was my bad
Ok the force is strong but not that strong. She’s using it like it’s spider sense, heck even Obi Wan and Anakin weren’t doing this. They had to face it in order to deflect it, Rey just twirls her sober around and it magically deflects every single shot even when it’s behind her. Also the absurd use of deflecting blaster bolts with her her hand really annoys me because it’s used to such a stupid degree and is basically just a get out of jail free card in case they have to explain how she’s surviving
@@Fallout_Arts Also fair.
I think the fact itself that she could tell an enemy was about to shoot her is fine
But probably what she does AFTER knowing that she was gonna get shot is an issue
@@Fallout_Arts nah Anakin wasn't looking deflecting bolts in EP 3, you absolutely don't need to see the blaster bolts to deflect them. Kanan for example is blind and does just fine.
@@Fallout_Arts Anakin literally deflects a blaster bolt behind his back without looking in Episode 3.
That sword on the back move is so confusing I’d probably just fall down dead. Brilliant.
What bothers me more is that this supposed to be an elite guard, yet they fight and die just as easily as the rest of the meat.
They fight like training droids set to the easiest level.
They seem even worse than stormies, IMO
@@tylerg3605 Literally one single commando droid would solo them all
Palapatine's elite personal guard btw (they can't shoot a still target)
When the guards were dying randomly it was like a kid was playing with his toys and just wanted to get to final battle
That’s what the whole movie feels like, really
"This is the part where you fall down."
This just makes me appreciate the choreography in the prequels a lot more. I was excited for the fights in the sequels but I never expected them to be THIS bad
The choreography in the prequels is mostly just a bunch of fast messes of colors to distract you from the fact that nothing is happening
@@freddyfazbear1334bullshit, prequels hands Down got the best fights
@@TheHarisBotic The prequels don't ever come close to an actual sword fight. It's just the speed that makes it somewhat believable. As soon as you slow it down you notice how ridiculous the moves are. The intent is never to kill your opponent but rather look as flashy as possible.
well my brother news alert, force powers and reflexes arent real, everything doesnt need to be autistically realistic, they can deflect blaster shots with their reflexes why cant they fight fast then with those reflexes, fúck the realistic sword fights i expect a non force user to fight realistically@@InsanityVonMike
@@TheHarisBotic You misunderstand me. I have nothing against the speed in its self. I'm saying that people praise the prequels for being fast and awesome, while the only thing the speed is doing is concealing bad choreography. Superhuman speed is awesome and a part of being a jedi at its highest peak, but the choreography is just as shitty if not worse than the sequels. I can still enjoy both though.
I love how some of those guards are just standing there, not shooting and enjoying the show. And they are supposedly very well trained but they shoot the ceiling
I only saw this movie once, in theaters. I was so baffled by the idiotic plot that I didn't even remember this scene
damn lol savage hahaha
Same
Same man, really goes to show how even cool battles (not saying this one is) need purpose and direction to be attention worthy, not memorable or fun, just plain interesting enough for someone to care. This is Steven Seagal mediocrity level bs.
I'm still amazed Lea can fly in space. Luke died becasue... he was tired? And Palpetine somehow returned. Oh did I mention that most of the Deathstar which exploaded to bits is on some planet.... oh f it. It's too many things.... girl from a sand planed can sail better than anyone ever. I had to.
I think I forgot the whole movie already tbh. it was so bad. the only reason I remember episode 7 at all is just to remind me how bad it actually is
I love the guy just randomly shooting at the ceiling. I just like to think he's just saying to himself "you know what, I'm going to die anyways, might as well just go hunting for the last few moments of my life....oh wait there's a ceiling...shit".
Mf be like FUCK IT
SHOOT SOMETHING
ANYTHING
THIS CEILING
FUCK YOU CEILING
I was LOLLING hard at that bit. Mf shoot the ceiling instead
@@AlsoAStranger To be fair, if im against someone more skilled than me to a point anything i can do will rwsult to my death.
Might as well shoot the ceilling to let some rage out.
The choreographer was like AW SHIT MUST ADD MORE FLASHING LIGHTS LEST MOVIEGOERS NOTICE THIS IS MORE AWKWARD THAN THE FIGHT SCENES IN THE ORIGINAL STAR TREK SERIES
You know, it could've worked if they made the ceiling fall on Rey to make it so that the guard is actually trying to crush Rey under a rubble instead of randomly shooting a ceeling
Nick Gillard, the prequel stunt master, was rejected by Disney to do the lightsaber duels on the sequels. Now that was a waste
Yeah i wonder why disney did that?
@thecamocampaindude5167 money
@@thecamocampaindude5167Because the fights must not FEEL like brutal fights anymore.
The fights have to look and feel like they are just props executing a janky script and waiting for their cue to fall over, because that's what baddies are supposed to do, as in EVIL, NAZI MEN.
Disney, from what I hear, is pushing out another Rei Skywalker movie. I can only imagine how horrible shite that's going to be; and I can hardly wait to see people tear the movie to shreds.
Because Disney wants absolutely nothing to do with the prequels
the thumbnail is even funnier when you realize there isnt even a ceiling
So basically it's just
"Man fuck this sky."
@@Omeleaffe "The space is up there, so this should hit at least one rebel ship somewhere in the galaxy, right?"
I almost died when the guy shoots the ceiling
Best scene of all star wars
I have to say I never noticed that he was randomly shooting the ceiling before! It's so ridiculous!
Honestly the ben fight was kinda cool then HE JUST STANDS THIER WITH HIS LIGHTSABER ON HIS BACK AND SOMEHOW DEFLECTS A BLADE. In the theater I literally said wtf out loud
So I know this movie is shit but I remember how Force sensitive beings can anticipate something before it happens. So, by that logic Kylo knew what was about to happen and held that position???
This is just to take a stab at explaining the scene but maybe they just wanted it to look “cool” without logic.
Again, this movie sucks so I am not a sympathizer/ justifier
@@S58B30T0 that’s how I’d imagine they would explain most of the blaster reflections and whatnot, but Kylo was basically just standing there waiting for him to attack. The guy had plenty of time to change the direction of his blade, and the way he’s holding the lightsaber should make his resistance weak asf. The guy should have been able to just smack his lightsaber and it would cut into his back. Even if not, he should have been able to swing again, not go flailing away like someone pushed him.
"Hold on guys gotta fart,just hit my obviously misplaced blade to make the fight look cooler"
@@S58B30T0 this is the thought process I had but it's filmed/editted in a way where it looks a bit ridiculous
Idk how the lightsaber didn’t slice Ben in the back since the saber would still move from the impact
I hate how effortlessly she does all this when she’s only swung around a lightsaber for like one or two years
She's a fucking padawan, but somehow she can fight experienced Jedi and Sith. Didn't she beat cloned Sidious too? Who needs a Luke Skywalker when you have this horrible written character that's op for whatever reason.
@@chrisnichols9014 “Padawan” is too generous, despite her age she’s a fucking youngling.
@@chrisnichols9014 "Experienced Jedi and Sith"???
When has she ever fought anyone trained in the Force that *actively wanted her dead?*
@@thegrayowl1557 nobody lol, palpatine didn’t want her dead or kylo
@@thegrayowl1557 doesn’t change the fact that they wanted to beat her. Kylo shoulda beat Rey all the way back in episode 7. And every other time they fought. Also doesn’t excuse her being extremely proficient in other force abilities for no reason whatsoever. She’s extremely poorly written
Also, those two guys Ben stabbed, based on Reva, Sabine, The Grand Inquisitor and...Reva AGAIN, they should both be perfectly fine and only need about 24 hours or less to heal that up.
Adam full on carried this franchise. Even though what he does makes no sense, it still looks cool because he makes it believable
Adam is a great actor
John Boyega too. They're the only reason I even slightly care about these movies lol
I have to disagree. Adam added to this trilogies shit level. Couldn't take him seriously. His character was a full Vader rip-off. Gets redeemed in only a few minutes when Anakin took almost a full movie to start waking up. He's a blatant idiot who didn't learn his lesson from the past.
Why everyone loves this guy is beyond me when I'm seeing tons of things wrong with that character.
@@Amp661 no yeah his character sucked, but his acting is amazing
Say for yourself. Even Dora the Explorer is way more watchable than this wreck of a franchise. His emo streak don't make him a good actor, but i am willing to check him out in another movie
I couldn’t stop laughing when blud was shooting the roof and when they all were just randomly exploding😂😂😂
😂😂😂same
Same😂
Clearly it's just the use of Force Explosion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He really hated that ceiling
he was taking he rambo approach but forget he wasnt the main character.
“The force is a pathway to many abilities some to be considered unnatural.”
Wait wasn't it the *dark* side-
Rise of Skywalker: Did I stutter?
@@KimDare75, this scene gave me a brain tumor. 😂
The guy shooting at the ceiling is just dealing with +100 recoil.
I think what's annoying is this scene looks bad even without breaking it down. The fight in 8 has some wonky choreography but it doesn't stick out the same way at all and has much more dynamic uses of lightsabers and the force.
You know something's truly bad if you can straight up see it
Ok ngl I just watched the last Jedi again and I think the guards are supposed to be overly flamboyant. The choreography isn't awful it's just over the top
@@colesteinmetz Maybe
@@colesteinmetz nah the choreography sucks ass
The guard with the 2 dagger things at one point has Rey in a chokehold with one hand and the dagger in his other, free hand just straight up disappears mid-shot
Like he has it in his hand, the hand goes out of frame behind Rey for like a couple frames, and then when it reappears on the other side they have CGI’d out the dagger bc by all intents and purposes Rey should be dead right then
I agree. The Ep8 fight isn't perfect by any stretch, but it's fine in a popcorn movie kind of way.
Ep 9's is just straight up bad.
I'd say the main reason these fights look so bad is because the actors don't want to *actually* hit each other with their prop weapons, but also because of reshoots where they pick and choose the best takes out of several.
Still, it never hurts to make them more believable, even if the moves are risky.
In Lord of the Rings, Viggo (Aragorn) actually deflects a real knife with his sword, and he even breaks his toe when kicking a helmet when his characterthinks the Hobbits are dead, and keeps on acting through the pain.
LOTR fans trying not to tell the story of how Viggo broke his toe challenge (impossible)
@@reo_1907 yea seriously why does that always come up that toe is more important of a death than boramir to these people
If the prequel actors can deal with a few months of training then these people can too
@@penguinyen645 they can literally shoot the Scene with a lightsaber prop thats Made Out of soft plastic and would bei finde If they Hit wach Others. In the Fight in the deathstar Rey missed kylo by Meters even tho He wasnt moving at all.
@@the4given196 exactly but still they should've practiced their fight scenes like the prequel actors did.
1:31 dude I completely lost it in this part. I mean look at him! He really is just standing there “enjoying the show” lol 😆. Also I still remember my first reaction at the part where Ben is blocking that blade attack. I was like: “wait what just happened? Did the actors just mess up in that fight?”
It just realized that the only way it would die is if Rey randomly deflected it’s shots directly at it so it decided to not shoot
The one guard shooting the ceiling took me out lmaooo selling the team
Hah, I knew he was aiming at someone
_get it, cause it took you ou-_
@@AlsoAStranger I was sitting on my couch and something just barely hit my arm so he still missed but I did drop my plate of food
@@RicoTv.. He really did not like you eating on the couch
_Have some manners and eat at the table!_
@@AlsoAStranger Rey handle it for me so I guess I can let bygones be bygones 😁
I love how she could randomly deflect blaster shots with the Force while none of the Jedi in the Cone Wars ever did that
She's just that good
“Um well you see in Angry Birds Star Wars 2 the Obi Wan bird could deflect lasers with the force so 🤓🤓”
@@Woopor Damn, impressive
Thats on george not being consistent, i recall darth vader blocking blaster bolts with his bare hands in the OT with the force lol
@@jayambi7695 His gloves were made from a blasterproof material, I don't remember the name
Rey: *Forces the guard to aim at the ceiling*
Guard: OH NO! WHY CAN'T I HIT HER?! JUST KEEP FIRING!
I just love the dude shooting at the ceiling and the guy intentionally hitting Kyle on his lightsaber while standing still and his backs exposed ❤️
I know Kyle was probably a typo, but the whole sequel trilogy would’ve been so much better if the whiny edgelord was actually named Kyle Solo. 😂
never even noticed this guess my eyes were too slow lol, also..the TRAINED ROYAL GUARD shooting the ceiling has to be the funniest thing ever 💀💀
I couldn’t stop laughing at the guy at 1:40. The blaster shot goes above his head and he just randomly fucking falls lmfao
"Aight, time to die"
Bruh I didn't notice that at first 😭
“Man fuck this roof.”
He thought he was gonna die so he did
Maybe he’s faking his death so he can live
The most annoying thing here is that Rey's movements are actually pretty believable. She could've done a few more takes, but given what's established it honestly feels alright. It's the fact that the guards, which there are only six of, take turns, the director seemingly phoned it in, one of them just shoots his friend with no real prompting, none of them advance, or step back, or dodge, or aim, or whatever. It's compounding the issues that most of the sequel fights had, all at once and to their greatest extreme. Not enough takes, awful director, less than zero direction for vfx guys, it hurts, especially knowing how excited the actors were for it and how much Ridley and Driver actually practiced for the first movie and how little of their effort paid off.
Adam and Ridley gave their best imo
But shitty writing can’t be saved by any length of good acting
@@Azik688 #ActorsAreNotAtFault
Or something idk who comes up with hashtags
@@Azik688 man I love Adam driver and I'm sure daisy ridley is good as well but they got so boned by this trilogy
I blame most of episode 9’s issues on Rian Johnson.
In episode 7 it was very much implied/guaranteed that Snoke was gonna be the big bad (he even had the Palpatine hologram of his head like come on) of the trilogy. Rey was theorised to be a Palpatine on day 1 of the movie and that may or may not have been JJ’s plan from the beginning. Phasma might have been planned to last until Episode 9 (or could have really always just been just Boba Fett 2 who dies in the sequel).
Then came Rian Johnson, that dickhead, and went and ruined absolutely everything that JJ was and may have been planning, out of seemingly pure spite and/or ego and/or stupidity:
- He killed Snoke
- He killed _and_ ruined Luke
- He ruined any potential build-up for Rey’s origin
- He wrote the 2 absolute worst characters in fiction
- He ruined Hux
- He killed Phasma and Finn’s character arc (maybe Phasma was always supposed to die in 8, but I’m gonna put it on the list of Rian’s crimes anyway because he deserves no benefit of the doubt)
With all of that, Rian left JJ with barely anything to work with, like when your little brother obliterates your biggest and most expensive LEGO set and then comes to you, hands the desecrated corpse of your LEGO over and says “please fix it”.
Rian Johnson, with is incredibly awful decisions for Episode 8, forced JJ Abrams’ hand to make most of Episode 9 the way it is. Now whether or not Episode 9 would have been better with Snoke and most of the other characters (Luke in particular) alive is unknown sadly. But I think we should cut JJ Abrams some slack because Rian Johnson ruined the whole thing out of spite because he could only direct 1 movie.
JJ Abrams still made some bafflingly awful decisions though don’t get me wrong, like killing Ben, which robbed him of his punishment and fully fledged redemption arc
@@jonathan45564 Yeah, the fact that the trilogy was split between two directors is a recipe for disaster (tbh even in Marvel when they have two or more directors for one character's movies it becomes silly. Just compare how James Gunn always directed GoG when... idk Thor got different directors)
Rian is much at blame. No denying that.
However, J.J. just wasn't good for Star Wars either.
He got hired for the new trilogy and what was his best idea?
"Idk i'm just gonna do what was already done in the past"
And he did it badly too. TFA might look ok at first, but if you delve into it there's a lot wrong with it.
And btw, the Palpatine thing? Yeah J.J. never planned for it.
Daisy said it in an interview that AS OF THE FILMING OF TROS she did not know who her parents or grandparents were.
She said at first it was thought about her being a Kenobi, then it actually went to her being a nobody, and finally a Palpatine.
But while filming she had no idea who she was.
A series of movies is better built by one director only as a director is who injects the vision of the film and story. It's better for consistency and tone.
Idk why they just couldn't stick with one director.
And I don't know who decided Rian or J.J. were good candidates
When I first watched Episode IX I thought it was just too dark to tell what was going on. It was only later that I would discover the people making this movie didn’t know what was going on either
I love how now all the sudden they can just reflect blasters with the force
To be fair, it was done by kylo in the sequels and vader in the OT
That said, they are powerful force users trained in the arts of the sith
Not an untrained user like Rey
@@AlsoAStranger waot darth Vader did it? (sorry I just got into star wars a 2 weeks ago as I found my old VHS of a new hope and stuff)
@@benniestickman yep, in Empire Strikes back and Rogue One!
Sorry I thought that was something completely new like force healing
@@benniestickman That's ok!
It still sucks because it's rey doing it lmao
"there was 6 guys but 11 deaths" made me laugh in a very defeated sort of way.
Problem is they didn't care about the choreography, they just wanted the main characters to look cool then everyone else just haphazardly follows what they're doing
The literal only way to make this whole thing cannon, and still make it not ruin the whole franchise, is to make it so Rey is telling this as an old lady to Ben Solo's children, while they look at her and say
"But how come Dad is here right now?"
and then the camera pans to Kylo and he says
"I think it's time for bed."
and Rey just smiles to Kylo as she lifts his child up and gives it back to him.
An old lady telling a bedtime story.
Then you can make the real sequel trilogy.
King you dropped this 👑
That's some big brain thinking right there
A rare instance where the "it was all a dream" trope would actually improve things.
Or better yet, a crazy old beggar on the street that no one believes. The delusions of a shattered mind, which perfectly describes the sequel trilogy.
"It's time for meds Rey"
Run everyone! It's the papier-mâché guards! (these absolute legends know how to shoot in the air and die randomly)
The fights in the sequel trilogy just look like a bunch of nerds having a really intensive Star Wars RPG session.
lmao
I'd argue the group of nerds would make more realistic looking fight scenes
Fr
I'm reminded of the legendary "Star Wars Kid" meme and all its subsequent versions with added CGI and I can't help but notice how miles better (at least in terms of entertainment) it is when compared to this braindead wreck of a movie.
That's the whole sequel trilogy summed up in 12 words.
It’s like they had Rey do whatever, spin the lightsaber around and pretend she was fighting, and then told the guard actors to pretend to shoot and fall over periodically, and then animated in the lasers after and said “cool, looks good, let’s go to lunch”
This can’t be too far offfrom what went down
This happens at John Wick 3 as well. A LOT!
Dude i sometimes forget this movie even exists ngl
Like the choreograpy, writing and everything is just so weird
The actors did what they could with what they were given imo
And the worst part is...
I went to the cinema with expectations so damn low that i actually manage to enjoy the film...
But yeah this trilogy can be summed up in little words: A lot of wasted potential
I envy you yet I'm honestly happy you enjoyed it. My expectations could be located approximately a mile below the Mariana Trench but still I left the theater wanting to swallow a live grenade. God bless you.
I have a little the opposite. I came in with the worst expectations, but came out incredibly disappointed and angry. They not only ruined the potential, but also destroyed what they had achieved before.
In my mind, the sequel trilogy doesn't even exist.
I wish I could forgt
@@rafaellago172 LOLLLLL
The only way to describe the sequel's fight choreography - magic.
Not the cool magic you get going to Disneyland or seeing Vader kill the Emperor. Magic like the old man down the street showing you a card trick everyone knows and acting like he's the greatest showman.
Edit: Excuse me, seeing Vader *almost* kill the Emperor. Pardon my French.
"Somehow they made it"
The guy that shoots the ceiling at 1:45 put me in a coma from how hard I laughed
I was on the floor when I realized what he was doing
You know, now that I’ve seen the throne room fight scene in the Last Jedi and this scene from the Rise of Skywalker, I’m glad we didn’t see Palpatine’s guards fight at all during Return of the Jedi
You did a better job breaking down this fight than Disney did making the entire movie
Thank you hahaha
Meanwhile Filoni had probably a fraction of the budget, only 2 dualists and motion capture but still delivered an absolute beast of a fight with Ahsoka vs. Maul.
I won’t lie I kinda like the Kylo one, more for the concept rather than the execution but still. Lots of personality from him in it at least
Kylo was most probably a more interesting character than Rey, so yeah
Same. What I think was supposed to happen was Kylo was gonna block the attack but didnt have enough space to lean back, so he turned around, put his lightsaber behind him, and leaned forwards. Interesting concept on paper, but it got all screwed up in filming.
well atleast the knights of ren werent like snokes knockoff imperial guard..those dudes litterary where just spinning around and waving around..the knights of ren actually attempted something
@@Geshiko-GuP Their best effort being...
Standing around! Walking! Not capturing the heroes on multiple occasions!
Also spinning a bunch! Attacking the saber and not kylo!
lol both were bad for their own reasons
@@XentinelSB there was like a 2 second delay between him doing that move and the weapons clashing that it looks so bad, like how could they not attack anywhere but the lightsaber on his back
Turns out there were three protags in this scene, Rey, Kylo, and my man, the Ceiling!
The worst bit was how damn dark it was in the final scenes, I didn’t see the situ follower first time I watched because of how dark it was.
Darken the scene! They won't notice that way!
Probably my favorite move in the entire movie is Rey's first strike against Kylo on the Death Star ruins. Kylo is standing directly in front of her. I don't think he even has his lightsaber ignited at this point. Yet instead of slashing anywhere NEAR him, she takes an outward, overhead arching swing, as if she was knocking something out of the sky. Completely over both of their heads.
Oh yeah, I've noticed that
It was so funny when I looked at it in slow-mo
He doesn't have his lightsaber out. And until he draws it, she never once actually aims for him. Just keeps swinging overhead or to the side. If he stood still, she'd have never hit him.
Actor playing these guards be like
Them: So i just stare at Rey then shoot my friend and then i colapse out of nothing and die?
Director: Exactly
DO IT
Director:oh and the ceiling is a jerk so shoot once or twice
@@whisperoftheworm6479 Um no. Those guns are props. The VFX team are the ones who thought it would be funny to add blaster bolts to the ceiling.
@@TraceguyRune Um no. Disney made real star wars laser rifles to give it a more realistic effect, they did the same for lightsabers during the last jedi where they made Kylo Ren's lightsaber real but a stunt double accidently cut his hand off so lightsabers stayed cgi but blasters and their shots are real.
@@theshredder103 The star destroyers are also real, Disney is preparing a space armada
How the hell did they have a guy shooting the ceiling. I mean imagine telling the actor to aim at the sky while the action is happening on the freaking ground lol. Also amazing video man, I never watched the movie with full attention nor I would have ever caught this but it really shows the lack of care and passion of Disney and how money hungry they are. I know that's old news but its still very true to this day.
@@ModdedSurvival8888 Thank you!
Yeah, I still hope for improvement, but eh
Ben killing the Knights of Ren was the most Sith thing he could've done. He grew up with them and made ZERO effort to turn them to his side or dismember them and try to continue reasoning with them the way Vader made EVERY EFFORT in the original trilogy not to kill Leia and Luke.
I rewatched the original Trilogy and realized how extremely lenient he was to Luke and Leia that made me feel like the guy was a good guy, not a nice guy, but secretly a good guy. (At least depicted as such in the movies, don't come at me with expanded lore.)
Yeah, Vader never really wanted to kill his children, despite anakin being "long gone"
Vader literally tortured Leia to get the location of the rebel base. And he also tried and almost succeeded to kill Luke, if Han had not come to his rescue in the last second. Nothing lenient about it.
But that was the first movie, when it was not even yet decided that Luke, Leia and Vader are family.
And from there on, if Vader was lenient towards Leia and Luke, that was just because he wanted something from them.
@@teramalik7260 Vader did not know that Luke and Leia were his children in the first movie (also due to, as you said, it not being yet decided)
He comes to know that Luke is his son after ANH, and finds out Leia is his daughter in ROTJ
So it makes sense that he is ok with causing harm to them both
He does still harm his children to some degree in the next movies, but he never went to the lengths of killing or wanting to kill them, with the events in Cloud City being the proof of it
Even if keeping them alive was to get something from them, he never would have gone so far as to end them
He may not have been a good father, but he was still a father and he realized that. That's the good that Luke saw in him
Yeah that certain something was...oh yeah what OP stated. That after realizing Luke was his son envisioned them being together and ruling the galaxy together. We have no idea how Vader would have ran the Empire if he had pure control.@@teramalik7260
The Knights of Ren shouldn't even have been a thing, since they didn't use them for anything relevant anyway. Suddenly giving them lines at the climax of the 3rd movie would have been as weird as them not having any lines at all, because we didn't know anything about them. And at that point it would have been to late to get to know them.
We had no reason to care what happened to them, they were just intimidating extras. We didn't even get a facial expression. Across 3 movies. And these are supposed to be like family to the main antagonist of the trilogy. What a joke. And no, even if Sheev was "behind it all" he can't be the main antagonist of the trilogy, since he only apears in one movie. Kylo is the bad guy for 2 and a half movies.
Even weird stuff like ben holding his lightsaber behind his back could have worked with better timing.
Going back and watching the later seasons of clone wars duels makes this so much more painful.
Especially dooku vs anakin and obiwan.
Absolutely beautiful fight while keeping their fighting styles in character
it’s the editors fault, he could’ve fixed the timing but cutting early
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@@nicholastruman1273 sure but it really looks like they forgot stuff in the filming side and told editor to just figure it out
@@aratay3117 oh i’m not putting the whole blame on the editor, i’m sure he just gave up by the time he got to that sequence. Still trying to figure out what the Guard is shooting at lmao
That back turn thing is the kind of thing where you go “Oh that’s kinda cool” and then realize it makes zero sense. Like yes let me turn away from combat and wait a few seconds, surely they’ll just aim for my sword…like if you want to do a back turn thing, unnecessary as it may be, it has to be fast, like the swing was already in motion.
Woulda luaghed if the blow pushed the light saber forward cuz ya know, physics, and bens spine is just OBLITERATED
@@knightlypleasures3123 Trueee
I think in theory it could work here as a sort of flex. Ben is a Force user, which means he can sense when things are going to happen before they actually do. This is the entire reason behind Jedi and Sith having the universal ability to deflect blaster fire with a lightsaber accurately and repeatedly. It wouldn’t be too hard for one to decide “heh, this loser’s gonna swing right here, so I’ll style on him” and strike that pose a split second before the weapon hits just because they can.
However it clearly wasn’t choreographed that way and as a result it looks goofy as hell.
It says a lot that the best choreographed fight in the sequels might just be Rey and Luke's stick fight
this has to be some of Disney's laziest work. they thought they could give us any star wars movie and everyone would just automatically love it because Sidious is back, the new main character is way too OP, and they touched it up with slightly comedic edge lord.
Wow. Who would’ve thought the bad fight choreography was the most consistent thing through all three films.
LMAO
Props to you for analyzing this scene. Not only did you analyze it well, but major props for having to sit through this again.
Lmao thank you
Dude the one guard shooting the ceiling had me dying laughing in the theater when I saw it for the first time
1:00 when you are on a pvp and your opponent has lag
Lmfao
They were definitely trying to mimic the Prequels. They just tried to do it with low effort. Entirely missing the point.
I mean if there is one thing the Prequels went 100% effort for, it was lightsaber choreography. That's how we got duels like Anakin vs Obi-Wan.
I loved the part where DJ Palpaqueen said “it’s morbin time” and released infinite power into the sky
Best part of the movie
Heck
Best part of the stars wars
The Star Wars scene ever made.
@@AlsoAStrangerI loved the part where Palpatine said "I declare a Star War against the rebels". Absolutely phenomenal
@@TbV-st8ef I literally started sobbing when he said that it was so emotional
There’s no way to guards just sit there watching and the other is shooting pigeons.