You can vendor it? Because undercutting to the point where it is less than vendoring is just dumb. Plus, this stuff you put on the market doesn't take up space in your retainer's bags so it is doubly dumb in this game.
@@melissas4874 You still lose gil if you have free retainer space, you fail to see that it's my problem and i do my solutions. Just like real life, thinking in a society scale and the impact certain actions in the free market is the job of economists or ministers, after all, all sellers need to make money and you lose if you care for the others, as the others wont care for you at all.
@@melissas4874 Or... 1) let other people sell below vendor cost 2) buy up all the things you see below vendor cost 3) sell those items to the vendor for more than you paid (even with market tax) 4) literally profit 😁
Don't worry, I'll under cut you so much you'll see my item and go "you know, I could buy this and then flip it by instantly reselling it at the actual market value."
@@Theigzorn go the extra mile and only post a few items at a time undercutting greatly, posting a few more until they are all bought out and then people who bought them will have loads of items that will sell slowly and have to repost them all constantly while they fight against 1gil undercutters.
@@flyingpancake23 I don't repost those items if they have an actual sell quality - I take them to a vendor and make money. I'm assuming here you are talking about undercutting from sell price.
you see you'll do that, but then there'll be the guy who has the -1 gil plugin who isn't paying attention and he'll inadvertently screw himself (there's like 80 of these guys and the item'll become so low you can guarantee the item'll either crash in value to the point you can reap a reward from it)
gil is pretty much only useful for buying a house and glamour. And good luck even trying to get a house, lol. Took me three years before I could successfully buy one
@@yamchayakuas someone who just went and casually bought a house when they added the new servers after 10 months playing, I feel like they just need to do that again. Or repurpose some of the overseas ones, I have an EU account to play with a britfriend and the housing is just empty over there
I undercut people so much sometimes because the item isn't worth the price they are trying to sell stuff for. I am sorry, I am gonna undercut the crap out of people if I still make gil. There is no point for some items to be so high. Most of the time I undercut because I am no losing a dime.
@@Rae-nw9xtbest advice I can give you is to not buy equipment off the market board and just get what you need from the dungeon drops, then once you hit 50 get your tomestone gear and repeat for every ten levels. Buying gear just ain’t worth it.
....this is how markets work. Undercutting by just enough to get your stuff sold first is the rule. And when someone undercuts by a massive amount, I tend to buy them out and repost at a rate closer to what had been going.
I did that to some people with all the dyes I've been crafting. They've been buying my dyes and have been attempting to resell them at a higher price. The thing is I have an overwhelming amount of dyes and I will force him to either buy all of my dyes or wait until I'm done selling all of my dyes on the marketboard.
Imagine being salty about one of the most basic money-making strats in any and every MMO ever. Good lord, FFXIV content creators are as sensitive and delicate as a porcelain doll.
I undercut by huge amounts because people undercutting by 1 gil at a time will just drive the price into the ground anyway in a 1 gil cut war. I just want that stupid sale instead of playing the "I want to be the one that sells it for 1 gil less" bullcrap.
I overcut. I put the price +1 gils of the lowest. My item will sold eventually. I have 8 characters, 4 retainers each. I have all the time in the world to sell my stuff.
Tbh 1 way FFXIV Should do is follow how GW2 manages their player market.Though there's undercutting but the sell price to vendor isn't as abysmal as FFXIV. Even if certain item market crash it doesn't fall to example 1gil but to maybe 2000 - 5000 gil. As crafter and Gatherer its really annoying to spend hours in gathering and crafting items only to find out by the time we crafted a number of it to see the market of the crafted items crash to the point the materials cost more then the crafted item itself.
I set prices by what people are willing to pay. If something is 300k and it hasn't sold in 2 months, set the price at 240k. If it doesn't sell, drop it to 150k and keep dropping it until you find the correct price people are willing to pay and sell at that price. Of course you'd have a minimum price so people can't force the price lower by not buying until it's lowered more than you're comfortable with but you should always set prices to what people are comfortable with. For instance when I was buying my level 90 crafting gear, the bracelet was going for something like 400k and It drove me to purchase the 90 bracelet with scrips instead even though it's slightly worse because it can't be overmelded. Had the price been more reasonable around the price of all the other gear pieces I would have purchased it so they lost a sale. Look at the market board and judge if you yourself would save time to buy it at the price it's selling at instead of getting it yourself. Can't tell you how often I go to do my daily grand company turn ins and find some 80 to 100k item and I just nope out and purchase/farm the materials for less than 8k and just craft it myself but when the item is around 30 to 40k I save time and buy it. Gotta be aware of the actual value of an item over what it's selling for. Sometimes undercutting is so bad I'll wake up and find overnight something dropped from 1.2k to 122 gil which is so bad I sell the item to a normal shop as it's not worth the time and space to sell it but sometimes overpricing is a major issue too, It's a complicated fight to price things reasonably whether it's closer to the minimum price you're willing to sell at or higher than the average even entering into the realm of not being worth the price which feels great when you make a big profit on something.
I don't feel there is in FFXIV. In WoW there definitely was, but I don't buy in this game based on the item price since you either have to post all at once or one at a time. If people could buy one of an item, then I think undercutting would work. If I need 2 items and someone has 99 listed? Those 99 together had better be cheaper than me just buying 2.
The problem is, a lot of stuff, not talking about armor and stuff here, has way too high a market value. If you look at a bunch of stuff, they aren't worth the price. You can easily buy materials for far cheaper or even realm hopping.
One of the reasons i love ff14 so much. All of the best looking gear isnt stuck behind gil. So i never feel particularly stressed about the state of the marketboard usually. Occasionally there is the random item here or there for relic quest steps or something else.
Some MMOs in game currecny can translate into real world money (don't ask me how, I don't know). A famous example would be RuneScapes GP being more valuable than the Venezuelan bolívar, so much so that an entire economney popped up where Venezuelans would grind GP to earn real money.
As someone who mostly specializes in crystal sales its easy to say don't undercut because consistency in pricing, but the market boarding, annoying lists high quantity bundles over lower quantity bundles. I specifically sell my crystals in lower quantities to meet the need of people who don't want to drop the cash for 500, 1,000+ bundles. And unfortunately my smaller bundles of 100 to 200 are swept down the list by the bigger ones. So I have little choice but to drop them by 1 gil. Which then results with the big bundlers who drop it another 5 and etc. Its a no win thing. Honestly I'd offer to be someone's or multiple people go to gather and give them half the market board cost.
Not only do I undercut, I crash the market on random things I farmed while working on gathering achievements. Thanalan tea leaves still haven't recovered on my server for instance.
Before I started using the mb to regularly sell ores for quick Gil, I absolutely was that guy who’d undercut by thousands just to get rid of an item, cause I didn’t care about the Gil. Now that I have nothing to do but spend Gil I find myself much less eager to lose out on potential profits.
If you hate undercutting, you ain't cut out to be a merchant. Drop your crap at the NPC vendor, that's all you're cut out for. If you want to be a real MB winner, you get yourself a copy of the Rules of Acquisition and you treat it like the greatest gospel of all time. I'm going to undercut everyone. Every time. Not just that? But once you undercut me... Imma buy your crap, then put it back up on the board and get a monopoly on that junk. I'll make a mint off of you. That's why the good MB people undercut. To get you to do the same out of being short-sighted. And then when the war has finally dropped your prices low enough... buy it all, and turn around and sell it high. Be a stock broker. You know what's even funnier? Idiots who sell things for cheaper than you can get them from NPC's. Thanks for the free money! Yes, let me buy that gear for 30 Gil and then go walk 5 feet and sell it to the NPC for 150. Thanks for your business. 5x profit off the financially illiterate. Or, if the price of something easy and cheap to buy from an NPC skyrockets... let me go ahead and buy 120 copies of that item and dump them on the marketboard for only a 5% markup from the NPC Vendor and make a mint. People literally have no idea what things cost in the game, or how to play the Market Board. They aren't paying attention at all.
If someone is undercutting me by 1 Gil and seems to be checking the marketboard every 5 minutes I list way under even if it drops the regional price for everyone. Undercutting aren't the problem. People that sit at the marketboard all day constantly adjusting prices are.
if i see a craftable item that's not even that difficult to get being sold for like 50k, i will go make like 20 of them and sell them at 10k each out of pure spite
It's because you can just freely adjust the price whenever you want. You could easily fix it or at rhe least tone it down a lot by simply adding either a cost to adjust set at the percentage of the sale or making you have to wait an a hour between price adjustments.
Sorry but i set all my prices around a 420 theme. Example: 420, 1,420, 10420, 42000, 840. Sometimes the price is "higher" than others. Most times its not. Again, sorry
I undercut because im not paying 10,000,000 for some fucking lvl 1 glam boots my guy. Also to help out crafting sprouts, trust me ive been there. Recipe to lvl up requires something you cant get yet, market board is selling it for 200,000 dispite it not being rare. Yeah no not everyone needs to suffer
Undercutting by 1 gil, no issue, its annoying as a seller but its ok. But when people come in and drop the price by like 10% each time. It tanks the values.
.... people undercutting me by 1 gil... it really feels like an insult and at times i have crashed a couple items prices quite abit out of spite so no profit shall be made by flooding the item at lower and lower prices. I aint ashamed.
When it comes to the dedicated crafters, getting a sale is infinitely more important than selling at a higher price. When an item is only sold 10 times each day. If you manage to sell 3 every day, even at a low price, compared to 1 a week at a high price. The profit you end up with by selling low is far larger. This is made worse by the limited space you have in your retainers, only being able to sell 20 items at a time. Sitting on items is actively losing you money. Often people sell an item for much lower out of spite, but if I undercut this with 1 gil once more, and mine is sold, I still make profit and just move on to the next item. I sell upwards of 60 pieces of furnite per day, having one of them dropped in price is completely insignificant. Its a quantity game in the end. Undercutting by a large margin when you yourself arent a mass seller hurts you more then the market spammers. Instead, and yes this might feel bad to do, you should undercut by 1, be the one on the top, and sell your item for the biggest profit you can get. Because even if you cut it by a lot, you will stil get undercut by 1, and they still make profit.
@@MultiEpicnezz I undercut out of spite sometimes or if I think the price is kind of stupid for the item. Other times I just let it sit at the price and it eventually moves (because I'm not a mass seller). It may take a couple of months, but it does eventually sell at that higher price like you say.
I doubt these people even check the sell history before they post it. Probably putting up items that already have a dozen listings, but haven't sold a single one in two weeks, and are now emotionally invested in that one single solitary slot on their retainer.
It's not just the undercutting. It's the item splitting AND undercutting. Here i am selling Mythril at 300g a piece at a 99 stack(About 25k a stack), for some jackass to start selling ten 30 stacks at 150g... it makes me want to SCREAM!! I sell ores, and there are only 4 easy to farm ores i can get on mass that sell for a decent price on my server. I've just opted to if things fall that low, to hold price, or drop to 210g-220g so i can make returns on time.
put yourself in the perspective of the buyer, is there a reason you would choose to pay more than the lowest asking price, assuming the item quantity is the same? now put yourself back in the perspective of the seller and connect the dots. 99% of the time I put an item on the market it's gonna be 1 gil less than the current lowest price with no remorse because I want my thing to sell. If someone else does the same then their item will sell before mine, but then hey look, mine is the lowest price again if there's no other listings for my item I always set it to a hundred million gil and hope someone buys it by mistake or something. hasn't happened yet but hey you never know
I rather take undercutting by 1 gil than somebody completely fucking up mb prices for fun (yes, I had a friend that liked to do that just to piss people off)
I'm undercutting items where I have a monopoly and I'm the only seller so there will be 328 items overprized and a few just slightly overprized which seem like a really good offer kekw. Sometimes I also undercat to buy cheap when I see someone trying to compete with me with the selected item I'm exploiting during that week. btw guys, even if you see an undercut there is no problem if you just ignore it or even buy it yourself, the trick is mostly quantity, not prize itself
Buying from undercutters is how you make the most money. It's kinda sad to see people cheating themselves out of a lot of gil with some of these prices.
As long as y'all are selling items for 500k that cost 10k to craft, I WILL undercut you with glee and gusto. A. It makes me money B. The consumers appreciate it C. I clear inv space D. Suck on that 2x, filthy price gougers.
I have to undercut because otherwise an my 60k item is now being undercut by chucklefucks trying to sell it for 8k and I want that inventory space back. Thank god for submarines taking me out of that nonsense economy.
I dont have the patience to play the marketboard game. Unless its a high priced item that sells for a lot like a mount or something, if i cant sell it in a matter of a few days cuz assholes undercutting by 1 or 100 gil, ill gladly crash the marrket by selling it for thousands less jusr because i want it gone
It doesn't work out like these wannabee investors think it will. Buying undercut changes the sell history to the undercut price, and the next listings will undercut the undercut. It's a race to the bottom.
See the issue here is how much did it cost you to make the item you're selling? When really most items on the board cost very very little to make compared to the price they are being sold at. You can sometimes undercut by 90% of a previous ask and *Still* make profit. Reasonably the only upkeep you would need money for is teleportation and probably a house but even then its super cheap. So I ask you all this why the *HECK* are you setting your prices to ridiculous amounts?
When I read people on reddit and twitter complaining so damn hard about this I couldn't help but giggle and do it again and again. I don't give a damn, I just want to get rid of this crap that has almost no worth for me, so I sell my 9999 fire crystals for 15 Gil each instead of 25. I'll never do that annoying "undercutting by 1 gil", if someone does it just once I'll undercut by 20% at least
Out of lazyness I always use repeated numbers like 1111, or 19999, etc. but if someone already put stuff with 1999 in, I'll do the same. If I see a 1998, I'll go down deep out of spite to something like 1111. There is no point in actual undercutting, since the newest stuff is set first on the list anyways, unless you "think" that saves you the first place by "always" being lower than the rest. Reality: price dips by half or more by the time you would have sold it for full, if only you didn't cut it.
Telling people not to is pointless, because it just works. The system just enables it, and you simply just have to play by the system. Otherwise you have to rely on going "I sure hope someone who is potentially in a rush to get this item out of pure convenience thinks for a second and buys mine simply for not undercutting". Yeah good luck. I'm undercutting until the game market changes (seemingly never). Seriously all they have to do is make it so that it goes by order of first posting, rather than lowest value. Which forces people to scroll through. But I don't think they'll ever do that because buyers will complain out of only caring about convenience.
I don't get mad when people lower the price by a bunch. I actually get mad when people just lower the price by 1 gil. When I see several items and I spot a few people lowering the price by 1 gil, I always buy the most expensive of that price range (which usually includes an overprice of, what, like... 8 gils?). I mean, c'mon, 1 gil... That's insulting. If you wanna lower the prices, do it rightly so!
You should see the 1 gil undercut as a form of bump, like bumping your post on the forum every now and then. Item X is bought on average 10 times a day, and people are, especially with gear and housing items, constantly producing copies of said item. More often than not more are made than are being sold. Each of the sellers wants a chance at selling their item, and in general the one at the top is sold. So undercutting by 1 gil is simply, bumping your item to the top every now and then, hoping that you are one of the 10 bought that day. When it comes to gear, housing items, minions or such. Lowering the price generally doesnt mean it sells faster, the person who needed that thing was going to get it regardless. If all the dedicated crafters all lowered prices significantly each time they wish to bump their item all markets would tank at record speed. In fact for your own profit it is preferable others undercut you by 1 then by a lot.
Yo, brainlet. The point of undercutting by 1 is to be on top of list so your stuff sells fast. Which it does, so you specifically not buying it is pointless, but you go feel good about yourself. xD
@@DarkShadow84 Depends on what you're selling, I did the 1 gil undercut for some items that were popular and it was absolutely nuts. Over 1 damn week I had to adjust the price again and again, literally 1 hour after I set a new price someone else undercut as well so I just said f it and went down for 30% lmao Which was funny because after that the price was around that area
@@MultiEpicnezz I know what the point is, but here's the thing: in many, many games, this trend is usually called "price bumping". The thing is, it creates a status quo around a price and usually just creates incentive to keep refreshing prices around a price-point. It was widely used, for instance, in Eve Online. In that game, though, there was a massive difference that just showcased the amount of deviancies that could happen with such practices: money had cents. So people would just bump the prices 1 cent at the time down, ending up in a situation called "The cent war" where traders would just aggressively bump the price down 1 cent every time the price would go down by even an inch. The big problem of the "1-gil bump" is the same here: the price just fluctuates and you end up with a saturated board where you are potentially competing with bots who will undercut by 1 gil systematically simply to get better visibility. It highly handicaps traders who aren't as often renewing their prices while their prices are usually barely 5 to 10 gils more expensive. So, hot takes aside, this is a hard issue to fix as sorting items by price is a basic feature in an MMO you realistically can't remove (it would be stupid on top of being clunky). However, Wow (as much as I'm not a fan of the game) had a good system where if you put up an item for sale, if you retract it in advance, you lose a deposit. It creates other issues, but it at least creates a precedent for being aware of this issue back in 2005, so maybe there could be room for improvement?
it isn't about undercutting its about getting rid of the fucking thing ❤
You can vendor it? Because undercutting to the point where it is less than vendoring is just dumb. Plus, this stuff you put on the market doesn't take up space in your retainer's bags so it is doubly dumb in this game.
@@melissas4874 You still lose gil if you have free retainer space, you fail to see that it's my problem and i do my solutions. Just like real life, thinking in a society scale and the impact certain actions in the free market is the job of economists or ministers, after all, all sellers need to make money and you lose if you care for the others, as the others wont care for you at all.
@@melissas4874 Or...
1) let other people sell below vendor cost
2) buy up all the things you see below vendor cost
3) sell those items to the vendor for more than you paid (even with market tax)
4) literally profit
😁
just sell to vendor then
@@charlesedwinbooksno
the only economy I give a fuck about is my inventory economy
You sell items on the market board to make Gil. I sell items on the market board because I have two inventory slots left.
We are not the same.
Yes we are.
Don't worry, I'll under cut you so much you'll see my item and go "you know, I could buy this and then flip it by instantly reselling it at the actual market value."
yep buy everything that is under a certin margin and sell it high.
@@Theigzorn go the extra mile and only post a few items at a time undercutting greatly, posting a few more until they are all bought out and then people who bought them will have loads of items that will sell slowly and have to repost them all constantly while they fight against 1gil undercutters.
@@flyingpancake23 I don't repost those items if they have an actual sell quality - I take them to a vendor and make money. I'm assuming here you are talking about undercutting from sell price.
you see you'll do that, but then there'll be the guy who has the -1 gil plugin who isn't paying attention and he'll inadvertently screw himself (there's like 80 of these guys and the item'll become so low you can guarantee the item'll either crash in value to the point you can reap a reward from it)
@@Spacecoreinspace trolling bot farmers is a net good karma wise.
I'm that evil person who doesn't only undercut, but breaks up stacks into smaller stacks to undercut and push you off. Market Board PVP at it's finest
Ah a man of culture I see
Also known as the hero to the consumer who doesn't need to buy a full stack of 99 fucking dyes.
@@KazumiKiguma yeah. It's nuts. Stacks of 4 for dyes. One pot per slot
I do the opposite, I find how much of if requires to craft an item and break ot into that stack size and charge more. Lol
Capitalism, son!
"How does supply and demand work?"
If you're going to complain about this, make sure you buy gas/petrol where it's $3.00 and not $2.99.
Stop undercutting guys, I need to inflate the value of my unwanted item so I can get more of the useless currency. >:(
yes exactly, finally someone gets it
gil is pretty much only useful for buying a house and glamour.
And good luck even trying to get a house, lol. Took me three years before I could successfully buy one
@@yamchayakuas someone who just went and casually bought a house when they added the new servers after 10 months playing, I feel like they just need to do that again.
Or repurpose some of the overseas ones, I have an EU account to play with a britfriend and the housing is just empty over there
I undercut people so much sometimes because the item isn't worth the price they are trying to sell stuff for. I am sorry, I am gonna undercut the crap out of people if I still make gil. There is no point for some items to be so high. Most of the time I undercut because I am no losing a dime.
best take
People like you are a godsend for people like me trying to lvl
I am not spending 50k Gil on some lvl 30 boots lol
Good take my friend if i see lvl 70 weapon glam for 599k I undercut it to around 200-100k I'm not spending 500k on a lvl 70 weapon
As a sprout why is undercutting such a huge deal?
@@Rae-nw9xtbest advice I can give you is to not buy equipment off the market board and just get what you need from the dungeon drops, then once you hit 50 get your tomestone gear and repeat for every ten levels. Buying gear just ain’t worth it.
....this is how markets work. Undercutting by just enough to get your stuff sold first is the rule. And when someone undercuts by a massive amount, I tend to buy them out and repost at a rate closer to what had been going.
I did that to some people with all the dyes I've been crafting. They've been buying my dyes and have been attempting to resell them at a higher price. The thing is I have an overwhelming amount of dyes and I will force him to either buy all of my dyes or wait until I'm done selling all of my dyes on the marketboard.
Spite is a powerful motivator
Please undercut I want your garbage, but I'm too broke to buy it ToT.
Imagine being salty about one of the most basic money-making strats in any and every MMO ever. Good lord, FFXIV content creators are as sensitive and delicate as a porcelain doll.
I undercut by huge amounts because people undercutting by 1 gil at a time will just drive the price into the ground anyway in a 1 gil cut war. I just want that stupid sale instead of playing the "I want to be the one that sells it for 1 gil less" bullcrap.
A retainer gets its selling open and get undercuted and you think that of me? No! Im the one who undercuts!
If anyone ever under cuts me by one gil, I drop my price by at least 20%
Same but I drop it by half instead so that we're both going to the bottom faster
@@Acrysalis That's when I use my bankroll to buy you out and set it to a higher price than both of ours :D
@@misterragnar2521 thank you very much for getting rid of it for me, I don't care if someone else makes more money off it later I just want it gone
Good luck noticing before someone buys their item
I overcut.
I put the price +1 gils of the lowest.
My item will sold eventually.
I have 8 characters, 4 retainers each.
I have all the time in the world to sell my stuff.
People who post materia for under vendor value are really special
It appears I've been undercutting this whole time w/o realizing
Superb
I’m not sorry and I’ll do it again
You undercut me? I undercut back. You dont undercut your god damm papa, you understand me?
-Angry grandpa
Tbh 1 way FFXIV Should do is follow how GW2 manages their player market.Though there's undercutting but the sell price to vendor isn't as abysmal as FFXIV. Even if certain item market crash it doesn't fall to example 1gil but to maybe 2000 - 5000 gil. As crafter and Gatherer its really annoying to spend hours in gathering and crafting items only to find out by the time we crafted a number of it to see the market of the crafted items crash to the point the materials cost more then the crafted item itself.
Free enterprise at its finest.
I set prices by what people are willing to pay. If something is 300k and it hasn't sold in 2 months, set the price at 240k. If it doesn't sell, drop it to 150k and keep dropping it until you find the correct price people are willing to pay and sell at that price. Of course you'd have a minimum price so people can't force the price lower by not buying until it's lowered more than you're comfortable with but you should always set prices to what people are comfortable with. For instance when I was buying my level 90 crafting gear, the bracelet was going for something like 400k and It drove me to purchase the 90 bracelet with scrips instead even though it's slightly worse because it can't be overmelded. Had the price been more reasonable around the price of all the other gear pieces I would have purchased it so they lost a sale. Look at the market board and judge if you yourself would save time to buy it at the price it's selling at instead of getting it yourself. Can't tell you how often I go to do my daily grand company turn ins and find some 80 to 100k item and I just nope out and purchase/farm the materials for less than 8k and just craft it myself but when the item is around 30 to 40k I save time and buy it. Gotta be aware of the actual value of an item over what it's selling for. Sometimes undercutting is so bad I'll wake up and find overnight something dropped from 1.2k to 122 gil which is so bad I sell the item to a normal shop as it's not worth the time and space to sell it but sometimes overpricing is a major issue too, It's a complicated fight to price things reasonably whether it's closer to the minimum price you're willing to sell at or higher than the average even entering into the realm of not being worth the price which feels great when you make a big profit on something.
Always undercut, there's no point not to
I don't feel there is in FFXIV. In WoW there definitely was, but I don't buy in this game based on the item price since you either have to post all at once or one at a time. If people could buy one of an item, then I think undercutting would work. If I need 2 items and someone has 99 listed? Those 99 together had better be cheaper than me just buying 2.
I don't understand why some undercut below the sales price, though.
The problem is, a lot of stuff, not talking about armor and stuff here, has way too high a market value. If you look at a bunch of stuff, they aren't worth the price. You can easily buy materials for far cheaper or even realm hopping.
Because they are dumb or they are from WoW and still don't understand the difference in the MB here (or both obviously).
@@iceman3317 They mean undercutting by the "sell" price - as in the price you would get if they just vendored it.
I once made like 10K just from buying materia listed below the vendor price and flipping it. If dingdongs wanna give me free gil, then sure.
@@iceman3317 convenience costs money, yo
You don't understand. I am not undercutting my server. I am undercutting the entire region.
As if gils meant something in this game anyway
One of the reasons i love ff14 so much.
All of the best looking gear isnt stuck behind gil.
So i never feel particularly stressed about the state of the marketboard usually.
Occasionally there is the random item here or there for relic quest steps or something else.
I was gonna say, I under cut by half if not more most the time
I always undercut by 1 but it's because I want to get the damn thing out of my orbit, not out of malice.
I have the sudden urge to flood the market board with 5 gil items out of spite...
Who cares if someone undercuts by 1 Gil?
Some MMOs in game currecny can translate into real world money (don't ask me how, I don't know). A famous example would be RuneScapes GP being more valuable than the Venezuelan bolívar, so much so that an entire economney popped up where Venezuelans would grind GP to earn real money.
@@patchmoulton5438 yeah, all the more reason to maintain those funds then
As someone who mostly specializes in crystal sales its easy to say don't undercut because consistency in pricing, but the market boarding, annoying lists high quantity bundles over lower quantity bundles. I specifically sell my crystals in lower quantities to meet the need of people who don't want to drop the cash for 500, 1,000+ bundles. And unfortunately my smaller bundles of 100 to 200 are swept down the list by the bigger ones. So I have little choice but to drop them by 1 gil.
Which then results with the big bundlers who drop it another 5 and etc.
Its a no win thing.
Honestly I'd offer to be someone's or multiple people go to gather and give them half the market board cost.
Not only do I undercut, I crash the market on random things I farmed while working on gathering achievements. Thanalan tea leaves still haven't recovered on my server for instance.
I buyout other data center's items and then my own's then raise the price :)
Not my problem
omg high five, great minds think alike!
Before I started using the mb to regularly sell ores for quick Gil, I absolutely was that guy who’d undercut by thousands just to get rid of an item, cause I didn’t care about the Gil.
Now that I have nothing to do but spend Gil I find myself much less eager to lose out on potential profits.
If you hate undercutting, you ain't cut out to be a merchant. Drop your crap at the NPC vendor, that's all you're cut out for. If you want to be a real MB winner, you get yourself a copy of the Rules of Acquisition and you treat it like the greatest gospel of all time.
I'm going to undercut everyone. Every time. Not just that? But once you undercut me... Imma buy your crap, then put it back up on the board and get a monopoly on that junk. I'll make a mint off of you. That's why the good MB people undercut. To get you to do the same out of being short-sighted. And then when the war has finally dropped your prices low enough... buy it all, and turn around and sell it high.
Be a stock broker.
You know what's even funnier?
Idiots who sell things for cheaper than you can get them from NPC's. Thanks for the free money! Yes, let me buy that gear for 30 Gil and then go walk 5 feet and sell it to the NPC for 150. Thanks for your business. 5x profit off the financially illiterate. Or, if the price of something easy and cheap to buy from an NPC skyrockets... let me go ahead and buy 120 copies of that item and dump them on the marketboard for only a 5% markup from the NPC Vendor and make a mint.
People literally have no idea what things cost in the game, or how to play the Market Board. They aren't paying attention at all.
If someone is undercutting me by 1 Gil and seems to be checking the marketboard every 5 minutes I list way under even if it drops the regional price for everyone.
Undercutting aren't the problem. People that sit at the marketboard all day constantly adjusting prices are.
if i see a craftable item that's not even that difficult to get being sold for like 50k, i will go make like 20 of them and sell them at 10k each out of pure spite
I undercut it by selling to vendor 😎
This. If it's not going to sell on the market at more than vendor value, I'm not going to waste my time playing the market.
Undercutting happens in real life too. It's called sales.
It's because you can just freely adjust the price whenever you want. You could easily fix it or at rhe least tone it down a lot by simply adding either a cost to adjust set at the percentage of the sale or making you have to wait an a hour between price adjustments.
oh those people would be so mad in eve onlines market. the 0.01 isk war is real.
Sorry but i set all my prices around a 420 theme. Example: 420, 1,420, 10420, 42000, 840. Sometimes the price is "higher" than others. Most times its not. Again, sorry
same but with 69
It's a Free market, literally with under cutters dropping prices
As a buyer, yes undercut as much as possible thanks xd
I undercut because im not paying 10,000,000 for some fucking lvl 1 glam boots my guy. Also to help out crafting sprouts, trust me ive been there. Recipe to lvl up requires something you cant get yet, market board is selling it for 200,000 dispite it not being rare. Yeah no not everyone needs to suffer
I do it all the time.
Undercutting by 1 gil, no issue, its annoying as a seller but its ok. But when people come in and drop the price by like 10% each time. It tanks the values.
that's the idea
let them tank it then buy them out.
@@misterragnar2521 no because they keep crawling back and tanking it even further because their strat works, it's a losing game for both sides
If the problem is them not getting as much gil, then that sounds like a them problem.
.... people undercutting me by 1 gil... it really feels like an insult and at times i have crashed a couple items prices quite abit out of spite so no profit shall be made by flooding the item at lower and lower prices. I aint ashamed.
When it comes to the dedicated crafters, getting a sale is infinitely more important than selling at a higher price.
When an item is only sold 10 times each day. If you manage to sell 3 every day, even at a low price, compared to 1 a week at a high price. The profit you end up with by selling low is far larger.
This is made worse by the limited space you have in your retainers, only being able to sell 20 items at a time. Sitting on items is actively losing you money.
Often people sell an item for much lower out of spite, but if I undercut this with 1 gil once more, and mine is sold, I still make profit and just move on to the next item. I sell upwards of 60 pieces of furnite per day, having one of them dropped in price is completely insignificant. Its a quantity game in the end.
Undercutting by a large margin when you yourself arent a mass seller hurts you more then the market spammers. Instead, and yes this might feel bad to do, you should undercut by 1, be the one on the top, and sell your item for the biggest profit you can get. Because even if you cut it by a lot, you will stil get undercut by 1, and they still make profit.
Lol I'm that guy that undercuts by 1
@@MultiEpicnezz I undercut out of spite sometimes or if I think the price is kind of stupid for the item. Other times I just let it sit at the price and it eventually moves (because I'm not a mass seller). It may take a couple of months, but it does eventually sell at that higher price like you say.
people take offence over the dumbest things
@pwincesskrissy `you will sell it for barely any profit after i'm done with it
I doubt these people even check the sell history before they post it. Probably putting up items that already have a dozen listings, but haven't sold a single one in two weeks, and are now emotionally invested in that one single solitary slot on their retainer.
It's not just the undercutting. It's the item splitting AND undercutting. Here i am selling Mythril at 300g a piece at a 99 stack(About 25k a stack), for some jackass to start selling ten 30 stacks at 150g... it makes me want to SCREAM!! I sell ores, and there are only 4 easy to farm ores i can get on mass that sell for a decent price on my server. I've just opted to if things fall that low, to hold price, or drop to 210g-220g so i can make returns on time.
But please continue undercutting materia by 50-100 gil from the vendoring value. That way I can keep buying it off of the MB for easy income. Thanks.
It's only really a problem when it's bots doing the undercutting I think.
put yourself in the perspective of the buyer, is there a reason you would choose to pay more than the lowest asking price, assuming the item quantity is the same?
now put yourself back in the perspective of the seller and connect the dots. 99% of the time I put an item on the market it's gonna be 1 gil less than the current lowest price with no remorse because I want my thing to sell. If someone else does the same then their item will sell before mine, but then hey look, mine is the lowest price again
if there's no other listings for my item I always set it to a hundred million gil and hope someone buys it by mistake or something. hasn't happened yet but hey you never know
I rather take undercutting by 1 gil than somebody completely fucking up mb prices for fun (yes, I had a friend that liked to do that just to piss people off)
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I'm undercutting items where I have a monopoly and I'm the only seller so there will be 328 items overprized and a few just slightly overprized which seem like a really good offer kekw. Sometimes I also undercat to buy cheap when I see someone trying to compete with me with the selected item I'm exploiting during that week.
btw guys, even if you see an undercut there is no problem if you just ignore it or even buy it yourself, the trick is mostly quantity, not prize itself
Buying from undercutters is how you make the most money. It's kinda sad to see people cheating themselves out of a lot of gil with some of these prices.
As long as y'all are selling items for 500k that cost 10k to craft, I WILL undercut you with glee and gusto.
A. It makes me money
B. The consumers appreciate it
C. I clear inv space
D. Suck on that 2x, filthy price gougers.
Whats wrong with undercutting with 1 gil?
i dunno, people are weirdos
No.
Some mf posting a stack of 99 items for 160.000g when I need 2 pieces gor ma DoH quest is not going to tell me what to do lol
I have to undercut because otherwise an my 60k item is now being undercut by chucklefucks trying to sell it for 8k and I want that inventory space back.
Thank god for submarines taking me out of that nonsense economy.
Capitalism... And also getting rid of the junk cluttering up your inventory.
Buy our shit then, lol
I dont have the patience to play the marketboard game. Unless its a high priced item that sells for a lot like a mount or something, if i cant sell it in a matter of a few days cuz assholes undercutting by 1 or 100 gil, ill gladly crash the marrket by selling it for thousands less jusr because i want it gone
No
Nah, it's a free market (plus tax)
Welcome to the world of supply vs demand, bois.
Ok, so I may be an idiot, but if someone undercuts you can't you just buy their stock and sell it at a higher price?
It doesn't work out like these wannabee investors think it will. Buying undercut changes the sell history to the undercut price, and the next listings will undercut the undercut. It's a race to the bottom.
See the issue here is how much did it cost you to make the item you're selling? When really most items on the board cost very very little to make compared to the price they are being sold at. You can sometimes undercut by 90% of a previous ask and *Still* make profit. Reasonably the only upkeep you would need money for is teleportation and probably a house but even then its super cheap.
So I ask you all this why the *HECK* are you setting your prices to ridiculous amounts?
Capitalism at its finest lol
free market baby
When I read people on reddit and twitter complaining so damn hard about this I couldn't help but giggle and do it again and again. I don't give a damn, I just want to get rid of this crap that has almost no worth for me, so I sell my 9999 fire crystals for 15 Gil each instead of 25. I'll never do that annoying "undercutting by 1 gil", if someone does it just once I'll undercut by 20% at least
weird take
No. I will continue to undercut.
Out of lazyness I always use repeated numbers like 1111, or 19999, etc. but if someone already put stuff with 1999 in, I'll do the same. If I see a 1998, I'll go down deep out of spite to something like 1111. There is no point in actual undercutting, since the newest stuff is set first on the list anyways, unless you "think" that saves you the first place by "always" being lower than the rest. Reality: price dips by half or more by the time you would have sold it for full, if only you didn't cut it.
Telling people not to is pointless, because it just works. The system just enables it, and you simply just have to play by the system. Otherwise you have to rely on going "I sure hope someone who is potentially in a rush to get this item out of pure convenience thinks for a second and buys mine simply for not undercutting". Yeah good luck.
I'm undercutting until the game market changes (seemingly never). Seriously all they have to do is make it so that it goes by order of first posting, rather than lowest value. Which forces people to scroll through. But I don't think they'll ever do that because buyers will complain out of only caring about convenience.
I don't get mad when people lower the price by a bunch. I actually get mad when people just lower the price by 1 gil. When I see several items and I spot a few people lowering the price by 1 gil, I always buy the most expensive of that price range (which usually includes an overprice of, what, like... 8 gils?).
I mean, c'mon, 1 gil... That's insulting. If you wanna lower the prices, do it rightly so!
You should see the 1 gil undercut as a form of bump, like bumping your post on the forum every now and then.
Item X is bought on average 10 times a day, and people are, especially with gear and housing items, constantly producing copies of said item. More often than not more are made than are being sold. Each of the sellers wants a chance at selling their item, and in general the one at the top is sold.
So undercutting by 1 gil is simply, bumping your item to the top every now and then, hoping that you are one of the 10 bought that day.
When it comes to gear, housing items, minions or such. Lowering the price generally doesnt mean it sells faster, the person who needed that thing was going to get it regardless. If all the dedicated crafters all lowered prices significantly each time they wish to bump their item all markets would tank at record speed. In fact for your own profit it is preferable others undercut you by 1 then by a lot.
Yo, brainlet. The point of undercutting by 1 is to be on top of list so your stuff sells fast. Which it does, so you specifically not buying it is pointless, but you go feel good about yourself. xD
@@DarkShadow84 Depends on what you're selling, I did the 1 gil undercut for some items that were popular and it was absolutely nuts. Over 1 damn week I had to adjust the price again and again, literally 1 hour after I set a new price someone else undercut as well so I just said f it and went down for 30% lmao
Which was funny because after that the price was around that area
@@MultiEpicnezz I know what the point is, but here's the thing: in many, many games, this trend is usually called "price bumping". The thing is, it creates a status quo around a price and usually just creates incentive to keep refreshing prices around a price-point.
It was widely used, for instance, in Eve Online. In that game, though, there was a massive difference that just showcased the amount of deviancies that could happen with such practices: money had cents. So people would just bump the prices 1 cent at the time down, ending up in a situation called "The cent war" where traders would just aggressively bump the price down 1 cent every time the price would go down by even an inch.
The big problem of the "1-gil bump" is the same here: the price just fluctuates and you end up with a saturated board where you are potentially competing with bots who will undercut by 1 gil systematically simply to get better visibility. It highly handicaps traders who aren't as often renewing their prices while their prices are usually barely 5 to 10 gils more expensive.
So, hot takes aside, this is a hard issue to fix as sorting items by price is a basic feature in an MMO you realistically can't remove (it would be stupid on top of being clunky). However, Wow (as much as I'm not a fan of the game) had a good system where if you put up an item for sale, if you retract it in advance, you lose a deposit. It creates other issues, but it at least creates a precedent for being aware of this issue back in 2005, so maybe there could be room for improvement?
@@DarkShadow84 Yeah, I definitely never could've guessed! You must have a high degree in some metaphysical shit to have figured that one out
I mean if im needing gil real quick ill obviously do it :3 After all i decide what do i do with my time
No.