This bike is a unicorn build. 11-38T at the back? All-day geometry? 36 mm rubber capacity front and back? Nobody else is doing this, certainly not for $1000. Really good first bike proposition here.
34-50 kinda crazy with 700c and 11 tooth top end. A cyclocross double or even a tall geared mountain double would be more suitable. Paying for gearings you cant use seens un budget
@@ShinyUmbreon765 Isn't 34-38 gearing enough for gravel riding? Isn't it nice to have the high end road gearing also? It is like have the cake and eating it too.
It’s because their main customers live in higher elevations. They want to appeal to them plus those that want to be “gravel” curious. That bike is more of cyclocross bike than a road or gravel bike. A Shimano 105 R7000 will convert the Triton into a true road bike or just swap the crank for the actual 2x Microshift sword. Then you have a good all-road.
@@TheBikeSauce I don’t recall the original Triton being a gravel curious bike. The original Triton was a dedicated road bike. It just needed a frame and equipment update. If the original Triton had similar modularity like the X from QR to TA conversion. Also with a pre-welded IS/Post or flat mount bracket on the rear chain stay. The old Triton will have gone from 2013 to 2024 just with equipment change.
I remember looking at this bike before and then kinda feeling neutral about it. I went to look at the geo and then I remembered, the stack and geometry is pretty aggressive. At least in the larger sizes. Compared to my current endurance road bike, I'd have to put 2.5" inches in spacers to reach the top of the headtube of the current ride if I wanted the same riding position on the triton. Reach is substantially longer too. For a bike that is beginner friendly with a touch gravel, I don't understand this at all. As usual, great stuff, you got me really hyped about the bike.
Just a got a flatbar X Ambition recently. My father was skeptical of the braking performance due to them having mechanical disc brakes. After trying it, he said he was pleasantly surprised how well it performed. He’s used a Cannondale road bike with mechanical disc brakes before, but he said this flat bar Poseidon definitely performed better. I’m guessing the leverage from the MTB levers or perhaps a difference in rotor size is what made them perform better. Haven’t bothered with compression-less housing yet, but I’m not sure I’ll need it anytime soon.
If you prefer flat bar then just covert the brakes to hydraulic. The Shimano flat mount brakes BR-UR300 will cost you about $80 maybe $100 max for the pair. Compression-less housing is only for the drop bar groupsets that don’t offer hydraulic brakes. The pull ratio from a road to a MTB lever is different. One is long pull while the other is short pull.
@@JDP8888 If I were mostly riding trails, I probably would. I have a hardtail for that though. I’m hoping to do some multi-day trips on the X, so the adjustability and low maintenance of mechanical brakes is rather appealing for my use-case. You’re right though, much cheaper to switch to hydraulics with a flat-bar bike. The only reason I would go with compression-less housing over hydraulic brakes would be specifically to keep it mechanical.
Insane value. Just compare to the Synapse AL 3 at $1300: heavier just shy of 23lbs, 9spd Sora with only 1:1 low gear, worse brake setup, and only 30mm tires (granted it probably has more clearance than that). Poseidon knocked it out of the park!
I'm looking for exactly this _type_ of bike to go beyond my daily driver (a Wabi Classic single speed being used on SF Bay Area roads). I just wish there were _options_ for shorter cranks & narrower bars from the factory.
The bars are wayy to wide for about 95% of people. Most men measure between 36cm-40cm to their shoulder joints. Besides that I think it is a decent value. Similar bikes from the big brands don't compete this well... specialized allez comes with 8 speed claris for 1200 usd, trek domane also has claris for 1200 usd and, Giant contend has claris for 1150 usd. These bikes don't fit as large of tires either.
Very nice specs for the price. For those of in very hill areas I'd swap the cranks out for a 46/30, and maybe the cassette out for a 11/40 and be very happy.
I’ve got the sword shifters on my GT grade with these (basically same) brakes, and just received Jagwire cables and housing. I’m suspecting my brake complaints might be solved by the cables, especially after this. Thanks for the video.
@@TheBikeSauceI think the OP is spot on; they felt the _heat_ of your a analysis x your viewership. 🙃 I was also tickled that YT offered to "translate" your reply to English...uhh thanks Google, I think I got it.
I don't think it is a screaming deal honestly. It's pretty common to see Alu mechanical brake bikes dip below $1000 and Felt VR40 with hydraulic Tiagra can be had slightly over $1000 in clearance deals. And I think after brake housing + caliper upgrades... The Poseidon will come pretty close.
Sorry, just to be clear, did they send this bike to you for free or did you purchase it? Thanks for the review, Poseidons don’t seem to get enough attention on YT
amazing video! kind of a shame this is the only thorough review of this bike, everyone else seems to be sleeping on it. I really need help on sizing though, I'm 5'7 with a 30" inseam and that puts me between a small and a medium I think. Bike Insights shows both sizes are very close, with stack and reach within a cm of each other, with the small being more upright (isn't the larger size usually more upright?). Any recommendations on which size to go for?
What size bike did you test? I'm only asking because i'm looking to buy one. I usually ride a 54 centimeter bike. Poseidon Triton bike 54cm standover height 30.85" as a large. Poseidon Triton bike 51cm standover height 29.95" as a medium . it's the reach that i'm wondering about. i don't want it to relax and i don't want it to aggressive.
I'd have really appreciated a first road bike like this one, wide gearing, great tire clearance for a comfier ride, maybe even with disc brakes. I ended up buying a "second hand" new bike from an American maker, Pure Cycles. Still with some plastic wrap around the derailleur and the wheels. It's miles away from this one, with steel frame, Claris groupset, rim brakes and a retro styiling, but hey, it came with a decent 11-32 cassette, paired with 50-34 crankset, tire clearance up to 32mm, 140€. Far from being lightweight at around 25-26lbs, but hey, imo better than many seasoned mid 2000s race missiles with better groupset in desperate need for an adequate cyclist, and not a noob like me
Am I just being a snob for wanting hydraulic brakes for stopping power alone? I'm a bigger guy at 240 and I had an ebike with cheap mechanical brakes without enough stopping power and it really sketched out from going with mechanical brakes again.
@TheBikeSauce for the price you could pick it up and upgrade down the road to a new group set and still come out ahead even to other direct to consumer brands. The Canyon endurance is $1,699 for an aluminum build with Tiagra group set
this & the ambition have made it to my short list. along w treks domain, & giants contend I think. however a $800-$1k bike, site unseen, makes me nervous. & I really know anyone else that bikes, to ask to ride theirs. right now I have a 2017 specialized roll. & im looking to get a faster slightly more aggressive bike.
The redwood is great for off road, but it’s a tank. Heavy and slow on the road. Triton will be much more efficient on the road, but off road capability is limited
Trek domani al 2 gen 3 and al 2 gen 4 both are $1199 - And triton is $900 + local bike shop charge to assemble! Let’s say $1,000 in total - Which one is the better value ? Which one would you buy ? And if it’s trek Which one al 2 gen 3 or al2 gen 4 ? Thank you all
I have the trek domane al the lowest model with disc brakes. I obviously would choose the trek. There claiming the posidon is a road bike, but the geometry is really wacky. The stack is to high and the wheelbase is to long. The trek comes with a lifetime guarantee on the frame. I upgraded my trek to scram rival axs. The weight is now 17.5 lb, and could lose another pound
?? Look at the geo numbers on bikeinsights. Triton (med) is lower stack and shorter wheelbase than Domane AL (54cm). Trek might be lighter, but it’s more expensive and less capable of running wide tires should you choose to explore off-road. They’re different bikes.
The cycling world is so out of touch. $1000 being considered budget is insane. I know that the components and materials are expensive and that these are light-years beyond a bicycle shaped objects from Walmart. But when bikes are so expensive they're inaccessible.
I agree that high end bikes can be out-of-your-mind expensive, but $1000 for this bike in 2024 really does feel reasonable. Just consider the cost of raw materials, engineering, manufacturing, freight, etc. Just a guess, but I’d wager that Poseidon’s margin is 30-35% at best - they’re not a massive company with an enormous economy of scale.
@@TheBikeSauce This got me curious about what you'd get for your dollar over time. In a 1985 Cannondale catalog, their low-end hybrid bike MSRP was $395. That's close to $1200 in 2024 dollars. Their 22lb race bike was $1k, or around $3000 today. I know it's comparing apples to pineapples due to depreciation, 40 years of technological advancement, and intended markets, but... Poseidon still comes out feeling like a decent value. Then again, I remember a time when as a software developer, having $100 left over in discretionary funds at the end of the month was pretty normal. Fixing up @ShinyUmbreon765's garage bike at the local bike coop would have been my best option.
@@ShinyUmbreon765 That's an excellent point and one well taken. It was the route I went when purchasing. However for some the time to research and find a good deal isn't available, or information hard to find. At times this hobby can be quite inaccessible and difficult to get into.
@@TheBikeSauce Im not at all faulting Poseidon, I totally get their cost and value. I guess in a way I'm bemoaning the state of cycling in the US as a whole. If it were more supported as a means of transportation, and viewed less as a luxury hobby I think it would benefit the entire market.
You all drastically overestimate the presence of these groupsets in the market. Shimano owns like 80% of the global road groupset market. Doubt they recognize MicroShift's existence.
@@cjohnson3836 I don’t think I do. Two things: The purely road bike market is not a huge universe, even if 80% is correct. Note that CUES began with flat bar bikes. Nonetheless, Shimano’s sales are down across all product types (if memory serves) about 20%. It cannot afford to have even small companies nipping at Shimano’s heels. It is better to kill a gnat than let it grow. Think about it. Why else would Shimano be rolling out clearly more affordable product offerings? It’s because of proactive defense. In part, at least.
@@peterbaskind9872 I don't care what you think. You don't know wtf you're talking about. Shimano owns 80% of road group sales and over half mtb group sales (CreditSuisse market research data), with SRAM owning the majority of the rest. Over 60% of global cycling industry sales are located in Asia alone. You're an ignorant westerner failing to realize that the west is tiny in this, esp N. America. Shimano's sales were down due to supply chain restructuring as Japan, more broadly, has shifted manufacturing out of China due to rising geopolitical concerns. For Shimano's part, moving budget products to Malaysia (though Covid delayed this) and their higher tiers & Di2 back to their Japanese factories. As for this bit [Why else would Shimano be rolling out clearly more affordable product offerings]... they aren't. They've ALWAYS dominated the budget market. Shimano doesn't reign with Dura Ace. They control the world with Tourney and Altus, because most bikes on the planet are utility bikes. Shimano released CUES as an ENGINEERING solution due to product bloat with decades of patchwork standards. Its to streamline their production moving forward in a world in which supply lines are no longer as reliable as they once had been. Your understanding of this topic is juvenile.
The problem is newbies won't know how to buy used, it's almost a useless proposition unless they get some serious assessment. A lot of people don't even want to put in the time to learn enough about bikes to buy used... For those who are solo newbies this might be a decent option, I appreciate the thoughtful specs.
@@Mr_Zzzeee Well, you are right about that, it's actually not a useless proposition. It's the one I would take for sure. To clarify the opinion, I think that in the practical world about 70-90% of beginners prefer to buy from a store with everything that it means (assessment, warranty, mechanical service, community) I think the logical roadmap of a beginner is to start with something like this, and maybe consider later upgrading with a very good used bike. I don't think any average mid level cyclist would buy this, it's clearly for someone just stepping in. I still hope people give love to second hand bikes though, it's worth it.
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I like it, this is probably the road bike most people should get, including me
This bike is a unicorn build. 11-38T at the back? All-day geometry? 36 mm rubber capacity front and back? Nobody else is doing this, certainly not for $1000. Really good first bike proposition here.
34-50 kinda crazy with 700c and 11 tooth top end. A cyclocross double or even a tall geared mountain double would be more suitable. Paying for gearings you cant use seens un budget
@@ShinyUmbreon765 Isn't 34-38 gearing enough for gravel riding? Isn't it nice to have the high end road gearing also? It is like have the cake and eating it too.
It’s because their main customers live in higher elevations. They want to appeal to them plus those that want to be “gravel” curious. That bike is more of cyclocross bike than a road or gravel bike. A Shimano 105 R7000 will convert the Triton into a true road bike or just swap the crank for the actual 2x Microshift sword. Then you have a good all-road.
Curious why you think Poseidon’s customer base lives at high elevation?
@@TheBikeSauce I don’t recall the original Triton being a gravel curious bike. The original Triton was a dedicated road bike. It just needed a frame and equipment update. If the original Triton had similar modularity like the X from QR to TA conversion. Also with a pre-welded IS/Post or flat mount bracket on the rear chain stay. The old Triton will have gone from 2013 to 2024 just with equipment change.
I remember looking at this bike before and then kinda feeling neutral about it. I went to look at the geo and then I remembered, the stack and geometry is pretty aggressive. At least in the larger sizes. Compared to my current endurance road bike, I'd have to put 2.5" inches in spacers to reach the top of the headtube of the current ride if I wanted the same riding position on the triton. Reach is substantially longer too. For a bike that is beginner friendly with a touch gravel, I don't understand this at all.
As usual, great stuff, you got me really hyped about the bike.
Great review, it's definitely food for thought as I'm looking for my first "serious" road bike.
A solid and great find! Well done and great research.
Good Job POSEIDON! 💯👏👏👏
Excellent thoughtful bike review.
Just a got a flatbar X Ambition recently. My father was skeptical of the braking performance due to them having mechanical disc brakes. After trying it, he said he was pleasantly surprised how well it performed. He’s used a Cannondale road bike with mechanical disc brakes before, but he said this flat bar Poseidon definitely performed better. I’m guessing the leverage from the MTB levers or perhaps a difference in rotor size is what made them perform better. Haven’t bothered with compression-less housing yet, but I’m not sure I’ll need it anytime soon.
If you prefer flat bar then just covert the brakes to hydraulic. The Shimano flat mount brakes BR-UR300 will cost you about $80 maybe $100 max for the pair. Compression-less housing is only for the drop bar groupsets that don’t offer hydraulic brakes. The pull ratio from a road to a MTB lever is different. One is long pull while the other is short pull.
@@JDP8888 If I were mostly riding trails, I probably would. I have a hardtail for that though. I’m hoping to do some multi-day trips on the X, so the adjustability and low maintenance of mechanical brakes is rather appealing for my use-case. You’re right though, much cheaper to switch to hydraulics with a flat-bar bike. The only reason I would go with compression-less housing over hydraulic brakes would be specifically to keep it mechanical.
Great review, as always.
Insane value. Just compare to the Synapse AL 3 at $1300: heavier just shy of 23lbs, 9spd Sora with only 1:1 low gear, worse brake setup, and only 30mm tires (granted it probably has more clearance than that). Poseidon knocked it out of the park!
8:51 you’re definitely right. The “chargeable weight” of the shorter box is lower / cheaper than parcels 70cm+
I'm looking for exactly this _type_ of bike to go beyond my daily driver (a Wabi Classic single speed being used on SF Bay Area roads). I just wish there were _options_ for shorter cranks & narrower bars from the factory.
The bars are wayy to wide for about 95% of people. Most men measure between 36cm-40cm to their shoulder joints. Besides that I think it is a decent value. Similar bikes from the big brands don't compete this well... specialized allez comes with 8 speed claris for 1200 usd, trek domane also has claris for 1200 usd and, Giant contend has claris for 1150 usd. These bikes don't fit as large of tires either.
Very nice specs for the price. For those of in very hill areas I'd swap the cranks out for a 46/30, and maybe the cassette out for a 11/40 and be very happy.
Perfect 2x setup!
I’ve got the sword shifters on my GT grade with these (basically same) brakes, and just received Jagwire cables and housing. I’m suspecting my brake complaints might be solved by the cables, especially after this. Thanks for the video.
They definitely did the compressionless brake housing because of the original bike sauce video! 💯🔥🔥
Hahaha 🤷♂️
@@TheBikeSauceI think the OP is spot on; they felt the _heat_ of your a analysis x your viewership. 🙃 I was also tickled that YT offered to "translate" your reply to English...uhh thanks Google, I think I got it.
what's your opinion on the sizing? I normally ride a 54cm and it looks like Large would be the best fit for me being at 5'10
I don't think it is a screaming deal honestly. It's pretty common to see Alu mechanical brake bikes dip below $1000 and Felt VR40 with hydraulic Tiagra can be had slightly over $1000 in clearance deals. And I think after brake housing + caliper upgrades... The Poseidon will come pretty close.
Sorry, just to be clear, did they send this bike to you for free or did you purchase it? Thanks for the review, Poseidons don’t seem to get enough attention on YT
It’s a demo bike, so I’m borrowing it for a few weeks, then I’ll send it back. No dollars exchanged hands for this video
How would you compare this to the GT Grade Comp? Do you think the extra 1-200$ is worth the grx setup?
amazing video! kind of a shame this is the only thorough review of this bike, everyone else seems to be sleeping on it. I really need help on sizing though, I'm 5'7 with a 30" inseam and that puts me between a small and a medium I think. Bike Insights shows both sizes are very close, with stack and reach within a cm of each other, with the small being more upright (isn't the larger size usually more upright?). Any recommendations on which size to go for?
I’d go small if you’re between sizes. You can make the small feel bigger, but not the other way around
@TheBikeSauce gotcha, thanks!
All Poseidon needs to do is get some more interesting colors going and this is THEE bike at the $1000 price point.
Is the geometry of this Triton similar to the original poseidon X non Ambition or is it not as relaxed?
What size bike did you test? I'm only asking because i'm looking to buy one. I usually ride a 54 centimeter bike. Poseidon Triton bike 54cm standover height 30.85" as a large. Poseidon Triton bike 51cm standover height 29.95" as a medium . it's the reach that i'm wondering about. i don't want it to relax and i don't want it to aggressive.
Wow what a great deal 😊 looks awesome.. Pete
I'd have really appreciated a first road bike like this one, wide gearing, great tire clearance for a comfier ride, maybe even with disc brakes.
I ended up buying a "second hand" new bike from an American maker, Pure Cycles. Still with some plastic wrap around the derailleur and the wheels. It's miles away from this one, with steel frame, Claris groupset, rim brakes and a retro styiling, but hey, it came with a decent 11-32 cassette, paired with 50-34 crankset, tire clearance up to 32mm, 140€. Far from being lightweight at around 25-26lbs, but hey, imo better than many seasoned mid 2000s race missiles with better groupset in desperate need for an adequate cyclist, and not a noob like me
Thoughts on the new X Ambition? Looking for something that truly blurs the lines - can be a road and light gravel warrior
Haven’t had a chance to review it yet, but on paper it addresses my gripes from the original x ambition
Been waiting for this,similar to trek al2 disc?
Well said sir.
Am I just being a snob for wanting hydraulic brakes for stopping power alone? I'm a bigger guy at 240 and I had an ebike with cheap mechanical brakes without enough stopping power and it really sketched out from going with mechanical brakes again.
Not at all. Hydros are generally a lot stronger, but mechanicals with compressionless housing actually do a great job. Much better than you’d expect
@TheBikeSauce for the price you could pick it up and upgrade down the road to a new group set and still come out ahead even to other direct to consumer brands. The Canyon endurance is $1,699 for an aluminum build with Tiagra group set
Great looking and excellent value for money,solid looking and riding to I'm sure with 32c tires.💯👌🏻🚴♂️
Yea, lots of smart choices on this one
Please convert measurements in metric
Multiply lbs by .454 if you’d like
this & the ambition have made it to my short list. along w treks domain, & giants contend I think. however a $800-$1k bike, site unseen, makes me nervous. & I really know anyone else that bikes, to ask to ride theirs. right now I have a 2017 specialized roll. & im looking to get a faster slightly more aggressive bike.
Just wondering how big a difference there is really between this and the Redwood for a "Novice Cyclist".
The redwood is great for off road, but it’s a tank. Heavy and slow on the road. Triton will be much more efficient on the road, but off road capability is limited
@@TheBikeSauce Thanks for the clear answer!
Trek domani al 2 gen 3 and al 2 gen 4 both are $1199 -
And triton is $900 + local bike shop charge to assemble! Let’s say $1,000 in total -
Which one is the better value ?
Which one would you buy ?
And if it’s trek
Which one al 2 gen 3 or al2 gen 4 ?
Thank you all
I have the trek domane al the lowest model with disc brakes. I obviously would choose the trek. There claiming the posidon is a road bike, but the geometry is really wacky. The stack is to high and the wheelbase is to long. The trek comes with a lifetime guarantee on the frame. I upgraded my trek to scram rival axs. The weight is now 17.5 lb, and could lose another pound
@@kimwarner6050 thank you so much !
?? Look at the geo numbers on bikeinsights. Triton (med) is lower stack and shorter wheelbase than Domane AL (54cm).
Trek might be lighter, but it’s more expensive and less capable of running wide tires should you choose to explore off-road. They’re different bikes.
@@TheBikeSauce thank you
heavier bikes gets you much stronger!! train heavy and race lite!! its the workload!!
Neat!
Def a good deal, better vs used, all user 1k bikes are crap on offer up/ pinkbike
Wow not bad I turned my entry level specialized road bike into a gravel bike didn't turn all too bad
I'd save an extra $200 and get a Domane AL2... 🤷🏽♂
I think the weight is totally fine for the price of the bike.
Considering the 38 tooth granny the weight is pretty good.
This all what anyone needs
Solid argument 😆
Finally a cheap bike with thru axle. Qr and disc doesn't go well at all
This is probably closer to the type of road bike more people should be riding. Plus you can add Paul Klampers.
I would compare this bike to Marin nicasio, but this bike is way better and lighter.
The chainrings are too high 😢
I agree. I love the cassette gearing but 50/34 is still more than I need. It sounds like different chainring is the only upgrade I would look to make.
@@hawker604you can always the get the Microshift Sword 2x crankset. Then you will have the complete groupset.
The cycling world is so out of touch. $1000 being considered budget is insane. I know that the components and materials are expensive and that these are light-years beyond a bicycle shaped objects from Walmart. But when bikes are so expensive they're inaccessible.
There are millions of bikes sitting in garages that just need love.
I agree that high end bikes can be out-of-your-mind expensive, but $1000 for this bike in 2024 really does feel reasonable. Just consider the cost of raw materials, engineering, manufacturing, freight, etc. Just a guess, but I’d wager that Poseidon’s margin is 30-35% at best - they’re not a massive company with an enormous economy of scale.
@@TheBikeSauce This got me curious about what you'd get for your dollar over time. In a 1985 Cannondale catalog, their low-end hybrid bike MSRP was $395. That's close to $1200 in 2024 dollars. Their 22lb race bike was $1k, or around $3000 today.
I know it's comparing apples to pineapples due to depreciation, 40 years of technological advancement, and intended markets, but... Poseidon still comes out feeling like a decent value.
Then again, I remember a time when as a software developer, having $100 left over in discretionary funds at the end of the month was pretty normal. Fixing up @ShinyUmbreon765's garage bike at the local bike coop would have been my best option.
@@ShinyUmbreon765 That's an excellent point and one well taken. It was the route I went when purchasing. However for some the time to research and find a good deal isn't available, or information hard to find. At times this hobby can be quite inaccessible and difficult to get into.
@@TheBikeSauce Im not at all faulting Poseidon, I totally get their cost and value. I guess in a way I'm bemoaning the state of cycling in the US as a whole. If it were more supported as a means of transportation, and viewed less as a luxury hobby I think it would benefit the entire market.
You just KNOW Shimano is getting really tired of seeing bikes speced with MicroSHIFT.
That’s good. It’ll keep the price of drop bars CUES affordable.
You all drastically overestimate the presence of these groupsets in the market. Shimano owns like 80% of the global road groupset market. Doubt they recognize MicroShift's existence.
@@cjohnson3836 I don’t think I do. Two things: The purely road bike market is not a huge universe, even if 80% is correct. Note that CUES began with flat bar bikes. Nonetheless, Shimano’s sales are down across all product types (if memory serves) about 20%. It cannot afford to have even small companies nipping at Shimano’s heels. It is better to kill a gnat than let it grow.
Think about it. Why else would Shimano be rolling out clearly more affordable product offerings? It’s because of proactive defense. In part, at least.
@@peterbaskind9872 I don't care what you think. You don't know wtf you're talking about. Shimano owns 80% of road group sales and over half mtb group sales (CreditSuisse market research data), with SRAM owning the majority of the rest. Over 60% of global cycling industry sales are located in Asia alone. You're an ignorant westerner failing to realize that the west is tiny in this, esp N. America. Shimano's sales were down due to supply chain restructuring as Japan, more broadly, has shifted manufacturing out of China due to rising geopolitical concerns. For Shimano's part, moving budget products to Malaysia (though Covid delayed this) and their higher tiers & Di2 back to their Japanese factories.
As for this bit [Why else would Shimano be rolling out clearly more affordable product offerings]... they aren't. They've ALWAYS dominated the budget market. Shimano doesn't reign with Dura Ace. They control the world with Tourney and Altus, because most bikes on the planet are utility bikes. Shimano released CUES as an ENGINEERING solution due to product bloat with decades of patchwork standards. Its to streamline their production moving forward in a world in which supply lines are no longer as reliable as they once had been.
Your understanding of this topic is juvenile.
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Or just buy used and get something so much better
The problem is newbies won't know how to buy used, it's almost a useless proposition unless they get some serious assessment. A lot of people don't even want to put in the time to learn enough about bikes to buy used...
For those who are solo newbies this might be a decent option, I appreciate the thoughtful specs.
@@Megadeth6633 how is it a useless proposition 😂 a 5 minute google or you tube search will bring up all they need to learn about buying used.
@@Megadeth6633 Infinite information at our finger tips. Of course people CAN be lazy, if they chose, but it's FAR from a useless proposition lol
@@Mr_Zzzeee Well, you are right about that, it's actually not a useless proposition. It's the one I would take for sure.
To clarify the opinion, I think that in the practical world about 70-90% of beginners prefer to buy from a store with everything that it means (assessment, warranty, mechanical service, community)
I think the logical roadmap of a beginner is to start with something like this, and maybe consider later upgrading with a very good used bike.
I don't think any average mid level cyclist would buy this, it's clearly for someone just stepping in. I still hope people give love to second hand bikes though, it's worth it.
But, in a little bit, this bike will also be available used, and even cheaper...