-"Helpful for editors and writers." --Mollie Reads Her list: 1. The Copyeditor's Handbook: A Guide for Book Publishing and Corporate Communications, with Exercises and Answer Keys by Amy Einsohn 2. Woe is I: The Grammarphobe's Guide to Better English in Plain English, 3rd Edition by Patricia T. OÇonnor 3. Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss 4. Second Sight: An Editor's Talks on Writing, Revising, and Publishing Books for Children and Young Adults by Cheryl B. Klein 5. Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog: The Quirky History and Lost Art of Diagramming Sentences by Kitty Burns Florey and Becky Kraemer 6. Chicago Manual of Style 7. The Christian Writer's Manual of Style by Robert Hudson
Wow, all these books look great! Aw, sentence diagramming - the memories! I had an English teacher in middle school who taught us that, but I haven't heard it mentioned anywhere since... until now. :)
Thank you so much for the content you're producing! I'm starting an editorial career (really in an early stage) and some of your videos were really helpful. I wish there were similar books in portuguese, for the portuguese editorial universe. Still, I'll purchase a few of your sugestions :) Thank you!
What about "The Subversive Copy Editor" and "Moonlight Blogger" by Carol Saller? I found them really useful. BTW, great videos! Gonna tune in for more.
I took an intro to linguists course in college rather than practical grammar, where all we did was diagram sentences using reed-kellogg. I don't think most editing majors are even exposed to this kind of thing, anymore. Also, three books that I would recommend. Style: ten lessons in clarity and grace is a fantastic book on sentence structure. I would also recommend: Tough, stuffy and sweet, an essay on modern prose styles. It is an old book, but the information it provides about narration is suprising. You would love it. The last book would be: the rhetoric of fiction, which you might have already read. It is produced by the university of Chicago.
I had no clue about sentence diagramming until two months ago. I agree. It's a shame this technique is being removed from grammar lessons. Diagramming would have helped me in school. So, I decided to purchase Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog! Better late than never. Thank you for the recommendations, Mollie. It's appreciated.
Also, curious, are you pro or con Oxford Comma? Because Eats, Shoots & Leaves does not use the Oxford Comma in its title, and I gotta admit, it grates on me a little bit.
Life Between Words oh girl, The title of the book is intentionally ambiguous about a joke about bad punctuation. Google the title and you'll probably find the whole joke! Don't you worry, Oxford comma lovers stick together (I am a PASSIONATE defender of the Oxford comma!). 😂And YES! Glad to hear you added these to your wishlist 😘
Mollie Reads I'm curious: originally I'm not English speaker, now I live in the UK. I'd like to buy the books you showed here but I'm not sure is the American English grammar the same as British?
I've just ordered Bird by Bird: Instructions on Writing and Life and Woe is I thanks to you. Looking forward to reading them as I plan to try to write my first book (first draft, really) this summer. I don't expect to finish it but at least start and like it enough to keep going... Love your videos! You always put a smile on my face!
what in the world is sentence diagramming... never knew that’s a thing, but can’t wait to dive into these! thanks for sharing this wonderfully helpful list!
This pile of books makes me break out in hives; they scare me good and proper. And that's why I'll be paying my editor the big bucks to go through my work!!! You're a Christian too?
Homeschooling Bookworm lol! I can totally understand that. Editing is a serious business 😉. Ha! But really, most of these books are more funny than serious. And I am a Christian! 💕
If you want classes geared towards sentence diagramming look at schools that offer linguistics. For learning grammar breakdowns I suggest Doing Grammar by Max Morenberg. It was the textbook for my Structure of Modern English class and one of the few textbooks I have kept on my shelf and return to frequently. It's styled like lesson and exercises so perfect if you are a hands on learner.
Hey, you talked about diagramming sentences and I've never heard of this but am really interested to learn more. As a language student, I think it might be helpful to know what it's all about. Could you maybe consider making a video about it? Also: great video!
I have all of these, as well, except for the one by Cheryl Klein, and Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog. I did do sentence diagramming in elementary school, and for a basic linguistics class I took in college. I might steal your idea for a video... I hope to be filming at least one either today or tomorrow. Been busy editing!
You mentioned that you've edited for Christian authors. Have you ever crafted a series of audio sermons (or talks) into a book? I'm doing that kind of work currently but have had to rely upon intuition; I can't find any solid materials to guide me in the process. It's quite difficult at times. Do you know of any books or lessons on this theme? Also, I'm hard-pressed to define the kind of work I'm doing. I am re-writing and re-organizing sermon manuscripts into book chapters. Is this considered ghostwriting? Developmental editing? Sorry for the load; I don't know any editors who I could ask for clarity. JJ
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video. You really inspired me and helped narrow down my reference search. Thank you. Have a nice day!
As a Christian writer, i apreciate you showed the Christian manual of style! Had no idea there was one written for the Christian pov! will definitely have to check it out! thanx!!
Great and helpful video Mollie! Thanks for sharing these books! I'm currently knee-deep in my first draft revisions and I'll definitely be checking out some of the books you mentioned. I'm definitely still in the early stages of editing (developmental, etc...) so Cheryl Klein's book seem just right! (I think her book has been republished as Magic Words)
I'm so glad you found it helpful! And so good to know she changed the title of her book! I'll need to look into that lol. Magic Words is definitely easier to remember hahaha.
Hey! I'm new to your channel, but I'm really liking your videos so far, especially on editing. I have a qsn: is the chicago manual of style only relevant for editors working in the US? Can it be applied to editing around the world?
Our school still teaches sentence diagramming and my teenage daughter who adores writing and has won several area contests will probably steal Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog from me once it arrives. I'll have to hide it! I lose books, socks and jewelry.
Thank you for this video! I'm so excited to go hunt down a couple of these books. I'm curious though, why is Chicago Style so valued? Is it just the industry standard for literary publishing?
First, whats the deal with cats and corners? I have at least three books in which my cat has nommed on the corner and rubbed his face there. Also, thank you for making this video! I believe I will be picking up the Chicago Manual and Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog. Yay!
lol cats TOTALLY love corners! They're so weird/awesome. :) Glad you enjoyed the video! I hope you fall in love with the CMOS and Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog!! xx
Hey, I would really like to see a list of editing books you recommend from a writers perspective (not from an editor's perspective). I'm a fiction writer just getting my feet wet, and I can't decide on the best editing book. I've been looking at diyMFA [Do-it-yourself MFA (degree lol)], Revision & Self-Editing by James S. Bell, Self-Editing for Fiction Writers by Browne & King, and The Story Grid: What Good Editors Know by Coyne. Out of all these, The Story Grid looks the most comprehensive. Who knows, I may be your client one day :) If you accepted my manuscript, what editing book would you wish or hope I'd be proficient at to make things easier?
I think all of the resources you mentioned are amazing! Honestly, I'd be happy if a client read any of those books before passing on a manuscript. My friend who is a fellow editor and writer LOVES the Story Grid!
what do you mean you didn't have to diagram sentences? you mean everyone doesn't learn that? it's not standard? is that new like not learning cursive? what?
Isn't it crazy?! They never taught it in my school, and they don't anymore in a LOT of schools in America (though I know there are some that do). Totally like not learning cursive. So weird!
I was homeschooled, and we had workbooks for it. I thought it was so dumb at the time, but it is actually so helpful in understanding that language isn't arbitrary. I think it'd be really helpful for non- native English speakers to help them learn too.
A little late to the party, but . . . I graduated over *cough* 20 years ago and we never learned this. I homeschool my kids and started to hear about this phenomenon known as sentence diagrams. My oldest is seven, so we are not quite there yet. I'm interested in learning!
-"Helpful for editors and writers." --Mollie Reads
Her list:
1. The Copyeditor's Handbook: A Guide for Book Publishing and Corporate Communications, with Exercises and Answer Keys by Amy Einsohn
2. Woe is I: The Grammarphobe's Guide to Better English in Plain English, 3rd Edition by Patricia T. OÇonnor
3. Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss
4. Second Sight: An Editor's Talks on Writing, Revising, and Publishing Books for Children and Young Adults by Cheryl B. Klein
5. Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog: The Quirky History and Lost Art of Diagramming Sentences by Kitty Burns Florey and Becky Kraemer
6. Chicago Manual of Style
7. The Christian Writer's Manual of Style by Robert Hudson
OMG thank you so much for this video! I know I'm late to watching it, but I just found your channel and I love it already!
Wow, all these books look great! Aw, sentence diagramming - the memories! I had an English teacher in middle school who taught us that, but I haven't heard it mentioned anywhere since... until now. :)
Isn't it a shame that it kind of disappeared?! I love that your English teacher taught you though. :)
Thank you so much for the content you're producing! I'm starting an editorial career (really in an early stage) and some of your videos were really helpful. I wish there were similar books in portuguese, for the portuguese editorial universe. Still, I'll purchase a few of your sugestions :) Thank you!
What about "The Subversive Copy Editor" and "Moonlight Blogger" by Carol Saller? I found them really useful. BTW, great videos! Gonna tune in for more.
I have no idea what sentence diagramming is but now you've encouraged me to find out!!
I took an intro to linguists course in college rather than practical grammar, where all we did was diagram sentences using reed-kellogg. I don't think most editing majors are even exposed to this kind of thing, anymore.
Also, three books that I would recommend. Style: ten lessons in clarity and grace is a fantastic book on sentence structure. I would also recommend: Tough, stuffy and sweet, an essay on modern prose styles. It is an old book, but the information it provides about narration is suprising. You would love it. The last book would be: the rhetoric of fiction, which you might have already read. It is produced by the university of Chicago.
I had no clue about sentence diagramming until two months ago. I agree. It's a shame this technique is being removed from grammar lessons. Diagramming would have helped me in school. So, I decided to purchase Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog! Better late than never. Thank you for the recommendations, Mollie. It's appreciated.
Oh my goodness, I totally agree! I wish I had learned it in high school! xx
The Copyeditor's Handbook --- yessssssssss. I also added a couple of those books to my (ever growing) Amazon wishlist.
Also, curious, are you pro or con Oxford Comma? Because Eats, Shoots & Leaves does not use the Oxford Comma in its title, and I gotta admit, it grates on me a little bit.
Life Between Words oh girl, The title of the book is intentionally ambiguous about a joke about bad punctuation. Google the title and you'll probably find the whole joke! Don't you worry, Oxford comma lovers stick together (I am a PASSIONATE defender of the Oxford comma!). 😂And YES! Glad to hear you added these to your wishlist 😘
See? I need to read the book, apparently. And also go and find that joke.
Life Between Words yes! You will LOVE IT!
Mollie Reads I'm curious: originally I'm not English speaker, now I live in the UK. I'd like to buy the books you showed here but I'm not sure is the American English grammar the same as British?
I've just ordered Bird by Bird: Instructions on Writing and Life and Woe is I thanks to you. Looking forward to reading them as I plan to try to write my first book (first draft, really) this summer. I don't expect to finish it but at least start and like it enough to keep going... Love your videos! You always put a smile on my face!
what in the world is sentence diagramming... never knew that’s a thing, but can’t wait to dive into these! thanks for sharing this wonderfully helpful list!
This pile of books makes me break out in hives; they scare me good and proper. And that's why I'll be paying my editor the big bucks to go through my work!!! You're a Christian too?
Homeschooling Bookworm lol! I can totally understand that. Editing is a serious business 😉. Ha! But really, most of these books are more funny than serious. And I am a Christian! 💕
If you want classes geared towards sentence diagramming look at schools that offer linguistics. For learning grammar breakdowns I suggest Doing Grammar by Max Morenberg. It was the textbook for my Structure of Modern English class and one of the few textbooks I have kept on my shelf and return to frequently. It's styled like lesson and exercises so perfect if you are a hands on learner.
I hated sentence diagramming in junior high and high school but it’s probably helpful to know.
Hey, you talked about diagramming sentences and I've never heard of this but am really interested to learn more. As a language student, I think it might be helpful to know what it's all about. Could you maybe consider making a video about it?
Also: great video!
I have all of these, as well, except for the one by Cheryl Klein, and Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog. I did do sentence diagramming in elementary school, and for a basic linguistics class I took in college. I might steal your idea for a video... I hope to be filming at least one either today or tomorrow. Been busy editing!
You mentioned that you've edited for Christian authors. Have you ever crafted a series of audio sermons (or talks) into a book? I'm doing that kind of work currently but have had to rely upon intuition; I can't find any solid materials to guide me in the process. It's quite difficult at times. Do you know of any books or lessons on this theme?
Also, I'm hard-pressed to define the kind of work I'm doing. I am re-writing and re-organizing sermon manuscripts into book chapters. Is this considered ghostwriting? Developmental editing? Sorry for the load; I don't know any editors who I could ask for clarity.
JJ
I just found you...thank you for clear, informative videos! I'm glad you quit your job 😁🥰..thanks for being here!
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video. You really inspired me and helped narrow down my reference search. Thank you. Have a nice day!
As a Christian writer, i apreciate you showed the Christian manual of style! Had no idea there was one written for the Christian pov! will definitely have to check it out! thanx!!
is it possible to do an updated verison of this? This was so helpful.
Yes - a Round 2 would be great :)
Great and helpful video Mollie! Thanks for sharing these books! I'm currently knee-deep in my first draft revisions and I'll definitely be checking out some of the books you mentioned. I'm definitely still in the early stages of editing (developmental, etc...) so Cheryl Klein's book seem just right! (I think her book has been republished as Magic Words)
I'm so glad you found it helpful! And so good to know she changed the title of her book! I'll need to look into that lol. Magic Words is definitely easier to remember hahaha.
I just looking video editing books !!
I'm really interested in editing, so I found this very helpful. Thanks!
Awesome! Glad to hear it. :)
Hey! I'm new to your channel, but I'm really liking your videos so far, especially on editing. I have a qsn: is the chicago manual of style only relevant for editors working in the US? Can it be applied to editing around the world?
Our school still teaches sentence diagramming and my teenage daughter who adores writing and has won several area contests will probably steal Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog from me once it arrives. I'll have to hide it! I lose books, socks and jewelry.
Thank you for this video! I'm so excited to go hunt down a couple of these books. I'm curious though, why is Chicago Style so valued? Is it just the industry standard for literary publishing?
Thanks alot.How can I get the e-version of 'WOE IS I'?
Thanks for sharing about these books. :)
First, whats the deal with cats and corners? I have at least three books in which my cat has nommed on the corner and rubbed his face there. Also, thank you for making this video! I believe I will be picking up the Chicago Manual and Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog. Yay!
lol cats TOTALLY love corners! They're so weird/awesome. :) Glad you enjoyed the video! I hope you fall in love with the CMOS and Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog!! xx
can you please suggest me an international book for adobe premiere pro tutorial?
i learned sentence diagramming in high school. didnt realize it's not part of most lectures until i saw this video haha
Isn't it strange? They definitely don't teach it much these days! xx
Hello, Is it video editing books?
Hey, I would really like to see a list of editing books you recommend from a writers perspective (not from an editor's perspective).
I'm a fiction writer just getting my feet wet, and I can't decide on the best editing book. I've been looking at diyMFA [Do-it-yourself MFA (degree lol)], Revision & Self-Editing by James S. Bell, Self-Editing for Fiction Writers by Browne & King, and The Story Grid: What Good Editors Know by Coyne. Out of all these, The Story Grid looks the most comprehensive.
Who knows, I may be your client one day :)
If you accepted my manuscript, what editing book would you wish or hope I'd be proficient at to make things easier?
I think all of the resources you mentioned are amazing! Honestly, I'd be happy if a client read any of those books before passing on a manuscript. My friend who is a fellow editor and writer LOVES the Story Grid!
Cool, that helps a lot. I feel a lot more confident about making a choice now.
Thanks for the encouragement to just pick one, and go with it :)
What is the difference between Chicago and Turabian? Is Turabian just another style (or substyle) of Chicago? Thanks! :) Love your videos!
I've never heard of Turabian! Sorry I can't be more helpful. I'm guessing it's another style guide that some publishers prefer?
Turbanian is slightly varied from cms
If I recall correctly from my college days, turabian is a subset of cmos that is popular in seminary
I've always wondered why Americans drop their 'T's'..... Senences rather than sentences.
Buthers copyediting is good
what do you mean you didn't have to diagram sentences? you mean everyone doesn't learn that? it's not standard? is that new like not learning cursive? what?
Isn't it crazy?! They never taught it in my school, and they don't anymore in a LOT of schools in America (though I know there are some that do). Totally like not learning cursive. So weird!
I was homeschooled, and we had workbooks for it. I thought it was so dumb at the time, but it is actually so helpful in understanding that language isn't arbitrary. I think it'd be really helpful for non- native English speakers to help them learn too.
EXACTLY! I totally, totally agree. It's crazy that so many schools have abandoned it.
A little late to the party, but . . . I graduated over *cough* 20 years ago and we never learned this. I homeschool my kids and started to hear about this phenomenon known as sentence diagrams. My oldest is seven, so we are not quite there yet. I'm interested in learning!