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I have never climbed a mountain. So it boggles my mind that someone who never has would think to themselves that they could conquer Mt. Everest. I mean, with no experience how could a person even entertain the notion??? Absolutely crazy.
As a scuba diver this gives me the vibes when I see tourist places in the Caribbean taking people with no experience out diving. Can things work out ok? Sure. But like you said, if anything deviates from the baseline those people are going to be totally screwed. Don’t understand how people just treat this like a walk in their neighborhood park. Just blows my mind.
Kind of sounds like you’re gate keeping. These dive operations you’re talking about have perfectly fine safety records. Uncertified diving experiences like this are generally at like 15-20ft max. You could pick many, many other things that are much more dangerous that people do every day to worry about, e.g. drive a car or general aviation.
@ww3662 the SCUBA industry did a spectacular job of self regulation early in the start to make a inherently dangerous activity safe. The core was training in the classroom, hand on and testing. The resort courses violate those principles. Is it gatekeeping? Yes. And for good reason. Are there more dangerous activities? Of course. But notice you had to say more dangers because you could not say it was safe.
When your actions have the opportunity to kill others, you have a responsibility for your actions. Training and experience is part of that. Going up an 8k meter peak with no idea of what you are doing is irresponsible and dangerous. Do a 14,000 footer or two. Spend some time on a climbing wall. Not that hard to incorporate if you care about the other climbers that will be around you.
Agreed, but going scuba whilst on holidays, approx 5-10m deep is a far cry from 8000m up Everest. A holiday trip is a good taster session, that may entice people to properly take up the hobbies
Okay I had no clue Everest news would be better with Simba but now I hope he's in every video. Thanks so much for being the most informative, non biased Everest channel I've found. Love your videos!
Great video! I'm learning a lot about everest through your channel. I'm not a climber myself, but I have always been aware of the mystique surrounding everest.
I’ve never climbed any mountain, never dreamed to go to Everest, but your story telling has made me watch pretty much all your videos. Interesting to learn about other people’s experiences and interests. Great channel!
Not insane... ive said they need to have one to the top. Stop the climbs completely. Charge a 20 grand fee. Stop the litter, stop the deaths, stop the commercialism of it all.
RE: novices on Everest…Ask OceanGate’s CEO what happens when you don’t know as much as you think you do. Climb any mountain you want…but do it in full knowledge and understanding. Train and practice. Know how you respond to the environment there.
They need to have a series of "rest years" when nobody goes up there. The amount of money being made needs to be taxed to cover the cost of supporting local businesses and Sherpa families who would lose out financially during the "rest years".
This was a very interesting video. Thom, thank you for your work putting it together. I always enjoy your work. Now to comment on the content. I am 56 and have always been very intrigued by Everest. I am so happy that I will get to see the mountain in April/May. I have been working out consistently every morning (almost) at 4 am to be in great shape to trek to EBC. I think great goals take great preparation and work. Achieving a goal is the reward for that work. I also feel that making the mountain easier takes away from the achievement. I do not know what the answer is. I do know that I will have an amazing experience. In addition to working hard to enjoy it, there is also a great responsibility that I feel for having the experience. For me the responsibility is to leave no trace, be respectful of the culture, to not be the ugly american over there. I recognize the sacredness of the mountain to the Nepalese people and respect that. I appreciate you and your thought provoking work on this video. I watched it while working out this morning and want to watch it again. I think the answer may lay in limiting the amount of permits, and closer regulation of the expeditions and how they leave the mountain. Unfortunately it seems that outside of ethics, money is what drives this world. Again, my thanks Thom. You are amazing!!!
Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to write a great and thought provoking comment. I'm stoked that you will be going to Base Camp this April/May. The journey is exceptional. I personally may also be up there this spring....but, many details need to be ironed out. I agree with you on the importance of respecting the culture and the environment during our visits. Keep me posted on your progress leading up to your trek. Thanks again and THANK YOU for supporting the channel!
I’m to old the climb her. I have always thought about base camp and seeing her with my own eyes. It would be a dream. Seeing this I feel I’m am best serving her by staying away.
I believe that you can do great things trekking into Base Camp....for instance, there are programs wherein volunteers carry bags and collect trash that they find along the trails, thus helping not only the preservation of the environment but supporting the economy. Just a thought :)
You can do treks that help the people of Nepal while you trek to Everest. I was planning to do it a few years ago but in the end decided I couldn’t handle the cold. I still would have love to have seen Everest though. Research trek companies that do this .
You could host a garbage clean up expedition. 🤔 Bring in more donkeys than needed and load them up with garbage on your way out, if you have the funds.
Dear Sir... Thank you for sharing your knowledge of Everest. At 60, I have loved the stories of climbing the mountain. While I have no personal desire to climb it myself, I have enjoyed many journeys in my mind. Further I wanted to tell you that your voice is so easy to listen to.... calm and non confronting. Please continue your personal Everest journey, so that we may learn more. Thank you Sinc. Stormy S.
Thank you. Also thanks for your channel. Mt Everest has caught my fascination. There is a spirit about you true climbers... Danke (I'll check the link)
Mount Everest would be supergreat if Sherpas built an an Elon Musk imagined funicular pod that goes up to the top (and then a maybe a zip line to come down for some variety) Then every self-important person could pay a ton to have this added to their bucket list, and Nepal would be flush with cash. For the so-called Luddite achievers who still want to climb, the Nepal government could make permits 500000, and require that they are some super achiever like a triathlete.
OR their climbing rope. Something that happens in practice, yes, but as a result of optional backflips, no. RESPECT, people. If not to Hindu religion, at least to your fellow climbers. This isn’t a Van Halen music video..
Thom, my man!!! On your advice I got Jochen and Eric's book Decetives on Everest, it's my kind of book to (lots of pictures), I just started reading it last night and was just getting ready to sit down this evening and continue with it, the only thing that could make it better is if you and Jake wrote a foreward for it, I'm gonna email Jochem and tell him he should get you guys to do that for a revised edition, I'll buy it again if he does. It really is my kind of book though, being written by premier authorities and with nothing but facts and first hand accounts, you're right, Jochem is definitely the foremost authority on all things Everest with Jake being the foremost authority on everything at altitude on Everest, from the yellow band up he's probably mapped out and discovered more sites from those early expeditions than anyone, and your photos are the best, my favorite Everest photo, next to that immoral picture of Tenzig Norgay on the summit taken by Hillary (which is right up there with Armstrong's photo of Aldrin on the moon) is the one you caught of Jake just as the sunrise was hitting him high up on the mountain, that'd make a great poster to have framed. What a thing you guys did in 99, that's right up there with Carter finding King Tut's tomb, I just can't believe that people fall for the conspiracy nonsense, you guys deserve nothing but praise, not accusations. Keep the videos coming, I'm not even particularly fascinated with Everest that much, not like I am with researching WW2, but you Jake and Jochem make it so interesting, you should do an episode with the three of you and bring Jake's interactive map into it with updates about where most likely Irvine's boot was found and do a reverse timeline on the flow of the glacier, I know you've already covered it somewhat but the three of you bouncing things off each other in the same podcast would be great, I'd stand in line to see that.
Word! Thank you my friend. Jake and Jochen are frequent guests on Everest Mystery...perhaps it's time to get the gang together! Cheers and thanks for the great comment : )
As far as mountaineering on Everest go, the greatest achievements come down to 5/*6 1. First to reach the summit and descend (1953) - Edmund Hillary, Tenzing Norgay, 2. First to reach the summit without oxygen (1978) - Reinhold Messner, Peter Habeler, 3. First to reach the summit and descend (North Ridge 1960) - Wang Fu-chou, 4. First woman to reach the summit and descend (1975) - Junko Tabei 5. First woman to reach the summit without oxygen (1988) - Lydia Pounamu Bradey * First Expedition to reach Everest in 1921
Good call! But I would place Messner's 1980 solo ascent on a new route through the North Face on top. No oxygen, no securities, and no one else on the entire mountain during monsoon season.
Of course all of them did it for their respect of the mountain and the local culture and not for fame and self gratification, unlike the "Instagram" crowd. /s Oops. Being first to "climb a mountain because it's the highest, and not to save lives" *is* the epitome of vanity to be put on a list and have "Awesome" as a response by other climbers. How many Sherpas were injured or killed aiding these people you revere to be "first" to climb Everest?
@@BubbaBearsFriend I respectfully disagree, the First's pave the path for everyone after them, before they do it its unknown if it can be done, that achievement should be in the history books. I understand what an incredible personal achievement it is for anyone who's climbed Everest and probably the obstacles faced on those climbs were more severe than the first climbers but the fact remains, the end goal has already been done.
I never said that they weren't great athletes nor that it wasn't difficult. But they sure did it for "being the first" and that puts them in the same "did it for clout" category as Mr. First Backflip guy.
Love Your Videos. .Sir‼️ Yes is True. . US A mountainer my self it would be Great To preserve..such experience for the future mountaineer much2x love From Philippines 🇵🇭Great Content
Great work - as always - Thom...the future of Everest is a compelling issue, if climbing expeditions are to be a part of Everest's future. You're very right in asserting that summitting - once in the domain of exploration and discovery, pitting human physiology to it's absolute limits in an extremely inhospitable environment - you're literally climbing, on foot, upward into the jet stream, over 8km into the sky where passenger jets reach cruising altitude no less - but it has now become merely a task on many bucket lists, as you say - a selfie opportunity with no comprehension of just what it takes to attempt this mountain at all. I think handing the organization of expedition parties over to Nepalese based ventures is paramount, and feels right that they should be the arbiters of this industry altogether. The training of high altitude workers, also, is a good thing for the mountaineering community and for the indigenous alike, establishing the peerless expertise of a genuine high altitude worker as a highly skilled, specialized career that the upcoming younger Nepalese will see as a career worth pursuing - and, in attaining such a specialized, expert skill level required that will see them highly sought after and essential to any climbing party, they will be justified in asking for a payment rate that will reflect the danger to pay ratio they lack in the current arrangement. Anybody wishing to be accepted into an expedition should be required to hold solid, evidential proof of experience and skill level, as well as a thorough medical to determine appropriate fitness, as well as one's current state of physiological rigour for such a climb, regardless of previous climbs where all was well. Cleanup expeditions should be waived of fees, and supported in any capacity required. There is a multitude of solutions available to make the future of Everest viable - reinvention and reassigned authority to the indigenous community entirely is a massive step in the right direction for this future to happen, and for it to be a success...for the mountain itself, and the people who live in the mountains domain, first and foremost.
The early expeditions trashed the mountain way way worse than what happens today by any team -way more reprehensible than present climbers, there's just more people today. So while they were people of their time, a disgusting precedent was set long ago that every subsequent generation inherits and justifies with what they have learned from their heroes.
I think Business Insider has an episode on Mt. Everest and one of the Sherpas believes there won't be any more climbing in 10 years due to environmental changes, lack of guides entering this industry, and possible government changes.
Yes thank you! You will see that I credited that in the video and also linked to that video in the description! Truly appreciate that you took the time to watch
Very good Thom, thank you. Two comments if I may. First, if I need all this support to do something, really, what is the satisfaction to be gained? Secondly I think of Groucho Marx’s comment that he wouldn’t want to be a member of any club that would have him as a member. Okay, one more. The great arctic explorer Raold Amundsen, when questioned about his activities which to most would seem “adventurous “ responded by saying that “adventure “ was the result of poor planning or execution 😊
People should have to qualify to climb this mountain just like Runners qualify for the Boston Marathon. I don't know what the criteria would be, but it would almost certainly be experience-based. It also wouldn't hurt if licensing were contingent upon taking more off the mountain than you bring, at least for some time to come.
Let me start by saying what a great channel you have and I really enjoy watching. My opinion on Everest now is the majority is about commercial gains money and egos which is very sad and if they don't restrict it like China it will only get worse. Also you mentioned Conrad Anker training the sherpas is that voluntary or a commercial venture to?
Hi and thank you very much. Conrad helps run the Khumbu Climbing Center, which is a non-profit (link to their website is in the description), their mission is to educate and empower local high-altitude workers, and most of those employed there are local. It is an impressive place to see and is helping teach these individuals to be competent and confident mountaineers, thus making it safer for those they are working with. In terms of Conrad, I'm guessing his role is mostly voluntary, but he teaches ice climbing courses and the like at various times of the year.
When I climbed in 80's, it was an escape from civilisation, engaging in an almost spiritual activity respecting nature and solitude. Unfortunately Everest is more or less stolen away from old school climbers because it is exactly opposite from what we were seeking and there is no way to climb it without high altitude porters and fixed ropes.
Out of the many mountains, Everest and K2 (since it's becoming Everest 2) are one of those peaks I ain't gonna climb. It's just not worth it anymore. Here in Germany, the highest peak (Zugspitze) has become a tourist attraction too. Right now, a literal amusement park is being constructed on it. These aren't mountains anymore. We don't deserve climbing them, considering what we do up there.
Climbing Everest or any mountain "NOT FOR SURVIVAL" has always been about self gratification. Even for the original alpine enthusiasts. That's nothing new. Hey, I go for hikes for my own enjoyment, I don't fool myself and claim that's it because I'm doing it out of my respect for the trail, to honor its grandeur. However, the unqualified climbers these days brings it to a new level of consumerism. Re: Garbage. Well, the original climbers also littered on Everest and didn't haul everything down either. So that blows holes on the "original" climbers "respecting" the mountain. Of course that doesn't mean that newer ones care more though.
Well said; I completely agree. I find climbers pretty pompous and I also don’t really care for their gatekeeping. Who are they to decide that they should be allowed to climb, but not the ‘plebs’?
Just got back from Everest. So a few things. First off parking was a nightmare. Everest is like 20 miles from where you park and you're expected to walk the whole way! Then once you get there they tell you that you can't just walk up in one go, you have to what they call: acclimatize, which means you have to wait at each camp for days at a time! What a waste of my time. Next there's garbage everywhere (so gross!!!) and you're expected to do your "business" into plastic bags! Like comon guys just build a toilet, its not that hard. Last but not least there are no escalators or elevators or anything, you have to walk all the way up there and its like so far! 2/5 don't recommend.
Safety comes first, of course, but why would you gatekeep the mountain? For nostalgia? Technology has evolved and these kind of feats are starting to be available to a wider audience. Some time ago, people were attempting and failing to conqer the mountain and now so many are succeeding. Isn't that amazing?
I’m guessing because it’s not amazing. It used to take actual effort and talent. Now anyone with money can risk their life and leave tons of trash up there and become a risk for sherpa if they need rescuing.
I’ve always viewed climbing Mount Everest as one of those unattainable “things” With the videos that have come out in the last couple of years of the giant lines of people all “striving” (at whatever the cost) to get to the summit, it just makes me shake my head! Money talks, and human lives at stake! The entire “climbing Mount Everest experience ” has grown way to commercial now, and it makes me wonder what the impact it will have in the future?!
As a mountaineering fan I have to say that I'm not overly impressed with people that climb Everest anymore, don't get me wrong I understand that it's still a monumental achievement, but I think mountains like K2 and Annapurna are much more of a big deal.
These are random thoughts: Tourism has replaced mountaineering. I think a lot of the tourist "climbers" today have been gaslighted by the commercial PR "'We can make your bucket lists come true." And silently "And we don't care about all the garbage and human waste polluting the water and the mountain but we'll pretend to care." People think they are entering a pristine wilderness. it's really sad. I missed my chance years ago to climb Everest. I thought I was a good climber but not a great climber. Today it doesn't matter.... You can be a neophyte. And this instant gratification is one of the reasons why I despise the commercialization of the seven peaks on the seven continents..... .... Give me your money and perhaps you'll make it to the top, perhaps you'll make it down. Perhaps not. I would not want to risk my life with 1,000+ people on the mountain, many who have never climbed before, and have little or no technical climbing experience....... Another introspective video. Peace Out!!!!! / Simba is Beautiful....
It's very sad what is happening with Everest. I grew up in awe of the pioneers who first started getting up there and marvelling at their achievements. There is no comparison with the guided trips that are commonplace today. That said, I really don't think we have the right to tell people they can't go if that's what they want to do. But, doing that with no conditions and no responsibility to the Mountain and it's people is just plain wrong. It's easier to go climb Everest than it is to join my local kayak club. Before you start you have to show that you can swim at least 50 metres and that you can safely exit your boat if you go upside down. Just very basic safety stuff but you don't even have that when climbing the tallest mountain in the world - that's just crazy!!
The Nepal government should either charge considerably more per permit (say $10k per person) to pay for trash removal, or require that hikers be fit enough to carry out a (high) percentage of their own garbage. They could even offer both options and have potential climbers choose!
From a geologic perspective, the climate is always changing. There is no ideal climate or temperature to aim for. We should accept this fact while we strive to find and utilize alternative forms of energy. That being said, it seems most people completely disregard other types of environmental degredation that we should put more focus on and can absolutely do something about.
THANK YOU. There's all this chatter about how the earth is the hottest it's ever been. Those same people also think it's six billion years old and a lousy hundred years is long enough to decide what kind of weather is average and talk as if it's a breach of contract if it changes.
I am really liking the garbage fire and the methane plant, though. That, I can support. They should build more methane plants around here instead of just dumping excess into rivers as raw sewage. It's a shame that rich, lazy people are in charge, so nothing new gets done.
The climate is always changing but it’s not always changing this fast. Also, there is an ideal temperature range that is suitable for human life. Anything outside that range is not suitable for long term preservation of the human race. Accepting that climate change is just going to happen is effectively accepting that we’re destroying the earth at a rapid pace and disrupting the complex balance that is required to maintain a stable climate. It’s equivalent to “who cares”. If that’s your logic, you’re accepting that we’re knowingly bringing famine and droughts and storms to people all over the world. It requires a complete lack of empathy for people all over the world who depend on a stable climate to survive. With that logic, why talk about the human waste problem? Can we effectively murder an entire region of people without consequences? It’s going to happen anyways right? When you carry your reason or logic to an extreme, you should still be able to stand by it. Accepting that we’re just going to destroy things in the process is not a reasonable solution. If you understand that the speed at which humans are altering the climate is unacceptable, you push for alternatives. Accepting mutually assured destruction is not a good way to solve problems. Ignoring science doesn’t turn out well for people.
@@Orquet-qj2nfthey’re not looking at data from 100 years, they’re looking at data from the history of the earth. Geology and environmental science is not limited to 100 years. It’s limited by how deep of a core you can get for analysis.
It’s a reflection of the world we live in. Pay to play. If you pay enough you can “achieve” just about anything nowadays. Sad state all round, and in typical fashion Mother Nature, and the poor, carry the true cost. Money cheapens everything.
The world is constantly changing and each generation experience’s the world in a different way than the generations before. You can’t expect people to feel the same way about the Mountain from generation to generation.
Its time to put a chairlift in to make Everest accessible to all and rail links to hotels at base camp. A ramp at hilary step for disabled acess and a tensing cafe.
I am sad about how commercialized the climb has become. There needs to be more regulation for sure, less permits and a level of training required. I saw a RUclips video from a cl8mbing group the spun base camp as a luxurious distinction with 4 star chiefs. Seeing the amount of trash was so disrespectful to the environment and the amount of human waste..disguising. I am also ashamed by how people would pass by others needing help. It makes me sad about how selfish people can be.
But both groups are doing it for fame/self gratification/bragging rights in their circle. They're not doing it "out of respect" for nature. If they truly respected nature, they'd leave the mountain untouched by humans that just want to "conquer" her.
I think the fact everest is turning to a tourist hot spot waters down the gravity of the accomplishment! It's becoming a status symbol! many stories of people going up there who don't know what they're doing and contributing to the level of danger on the climb! How many skilled climbers&sherpa have been put in danger due to inexperienced climbers? Trashing the mountain is selfish to the people of nepal. They already are disadvantaged, why add to their risk by contaminating their water supply? Ugh. I could go on and on. Its Sad😢
I think humans can do whatever they want, as long as they aren't hurting anyone. He just climbed the highest peak in the Himalayas, let him get his back flip on. Just because he did it on camera, which everyone that summits needs a picture for proof anyways, he shouldn't let the "traditionalists" detour him from having his fun.
I dont know a ton about mountaineering but seems to me there should be a requirement for some level of experience before being able to climb everest .. whether it's smaller mountains climbed or hours of instruction. Additionally, limit the number of people able to climb annually. Edit - just got to the part where he talks about this
Yes, of course. If you wish to climb the mountain in Nepal, there are many trekking peaks that are challenging and fun. Depending on your level of skill (and fitness) there are many to choose from. In the states, many are drawn to Mt. Rainier. perhaps Mt. Whitney. In France, Mont Blanc is AMAZING and one of the great mountains of the world. There are guide services that can help you navigate through the permits and logistics.
Been up all night thinking about where to go. I think America with the hope of going to Nepal as my prize. Thank so so much for the advice. Mountains and clmbing give me great comfort. I am truly thankful for finding this space.
To be honest heard the story of a Japanese Shugendo Yamabushi 山伏 priest. Who heard of the story of people dying at Mount Everest. He reacted the following. Mountains are not there to die on then, the are there to worship and teach humility. Ok i added the humility part to the story, but what drives most of the people ego. Being one with nature and the mountains is quite easy possible outside of mass tourism where nature is being polluted and the extreme achievement of climbing it is just a point on a bucket list for the ego.
2000 people live in the base camp. Some stay in luxury hotels in Kathmandu and commute via Lukla by plane and helicopter. Each tourist has between 1 and 3 guides for safety. Sagarmatha tourists are now spending more money and creating jobs in Nepal. Hotels, transport, catering, guiding and trade. The Nepalese government is removing more and more waste. Gone are the 1920s and 1950s, when porters and Sherpas were paid £1 a day to risk their lives. The "brave mountaineer" exploitation of Nepal is coming to an end. Hurray, hurray, hurray!
I mean, is the guy who wanted to do the highest back flip really that different than wanting to be the 1st woman who was from the US to do it? Idk if I agree with those sentiments. Is it really so easy to climb everest that any influencer can do it just to take a selfie? I think people do still have a reverence regarding mount everest, you still need to train for a long time and still need to get acclimated. It's not like an influencer comes the day after having the idea and gets carried up the mountain. To me it's more of a generational gap. Using your phone to take a picture is no different than everyone who made sure to bring their camera to take a picture. If it wasn't about themselves doing it then there would never be any pictures of anyone on everest. Yet even in the past people made sure to bring their camera and get proof they did it. I think that speech was a little too "kids these days" definitely judge people about trash and that kind of stuff but taking about taking pictures is a terrible point to make
You’re asked to do that on most big snow Mtns- Whitney, Shasta, Hood, Rainier, etc. When you’ve seen the crowds, use your imagination and you can reckon a ballpark figure for the no. of turds dissolving into those sky-blue waters in the lakes and spring runoff.
How disappointing on multiple levels. I too think climbing Everest has become a tourist attraction, and has slid far from a feat of mankind it once was just a couple decades ago. 💔
This blows my mind. It would never occur to me to attempt any alpine climb without any experience! WTF???? Before my horse aged out, I was an endurance rider. Could someone get on my horse and traverse rugged terrain for 10 or 15 miles in August? Slim chance, but perhaps
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Thanks for your comment-I’m glad you enjoyed the video up to that point. I understand ads aren’t everyone’s choice, but they’re absolutely essential for me to keep creating content. Most users also have learned how to click forward...the RUclips analytics shows me that many of them do. RUclips is how I make a living - and while I appreciate Premium users who help indirectly, ads are a vital part of me continuing to make content. I hope you’ll stick around.
As long as the SHERPAS are making more money for their families I say keep raising the fees and requirements as high as possible for these entitled people who have NO business on their mountain!!!! CHARGE THEM MORE.
What a shame. I've had a dream since I was a kid to see everest. Climb? Yes but I have such respect for the mountain and people that my desire was to climb, if I summit awesome but I never had this burning desire to risk other people's lives and pay to have me dragged to the top. What a shame. What an awesome place on earth that's been ruined and absolutely destroyed by commercialization. It's such an incredible place on earth. My personal reasons to go was to see a place i love, respect and have curiosity about. Not for the ability to wrote a book, go on a speaking tour or profit from it. Would you recommend Lhotse? maybe I'm relegated to Mt. Washington in the winter to get my apline kicks. Ive spent 20 years learning alpine safety, how to use the equipment to protect myself and those around me. What a shame. It's embarrassing and shouldn't be allowed.
Naah, the Chinese are planning a gondola up the Great Couloir to drop "climbers" off a 100 meters from the summit to clip on to a wire cable for the final push...
Tom, they would be able to pull that off! The highway that leads to Base Camp is one of the most exceptional highways I've ever driven on...absolutely gorgeous. And, they are building a mountaineering museum the size of FIVE super Wal-Marts near the Khumbu Monastery. Thanks for watching!
I'm waiting for the 6 times daily helicopter shuttles to base camp so you can ride the pressurized cable car to the top. There you enjoy a quick cappuccino in the summit lounge and snap a few selfies before the ride back down.
Getting to the root cause of the problems mentioned will go far with prevention. Lack of a moral compass among many climbers and businesses contributes to each of the problems mentioned with the greatest moral failings being greed and selfishness. If climbers fail to self regulate, there is no choice but to enforce stiff regulations by authorities.
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I have never climbed a mountain. So it boggles my mind that someone who never has would think to themselves that they could conquer Mt. Everest. I mean, with no experience how could a person even entertain the notion??? Absolutely crazy.
As a scuba diver this gives me the vibes when I see tourist places in the Caribbean taking people with no experience out diving. Can things work out ok? Sure. But like you said, if anything deviates from the baseline those people are going to be totally screwed. Don’t understand how people just treat this like a walk in their neighborhood park. Just blows my mind.
Kind of sounds like you’re gate keeping. These dive operations you’re talking about have perfectly fine safety records. Uncertified diving experiences like this are generally at like 15-20ft max. You could pick many, many other things that are much more dangerous that people do every day to worry about, e.g. drive a car or general aviation.
My favorite mug is the one I found with all the other trash during an underwater cleanup campaign. I kept the mug.
@ww3662 the SCUBA industry did a spectacular job of self regulation early in the start to make a inherently dangerous activity safe. The core was training in the classroom, hand on and testing. The resort courses violate those principles. Is it gatekeeping? Yes. And for good reason. Are there more dangerous activities? Of course. But notice you had to say more dangers because you could not say it was safe.
When your actions have the opportunity to kill others, you have a responsibility for your actions. Training and experience is part of that. Going up an 8k meter peak with no idea of what you are doing is irresponsible and dangerous. Do a 14,000 footer or two. Spend some time on a climbing wall. Not that hard to incorporate if you care about the other climbers that will be around you.
Agreed, but going scuba whilst on holidays, approx 5-10m deep is a far cry from 8000m up Everest. A holiday trip is a good taster session, that may entice people to properly take up the hobbies
The only people who impress me are the Sherpas who set up the campsites and the ropes. They haul everything up over multiple trips.
The Yaks as well.
Okay I had no clue Everest news would be better with Simba but now I hope he's in every video. Thanks so much for being the most informative, non biased Everest channel I've found. Love your videos!
You mountaineering guys are crazy man. I can't even go on Mount Everest in VR without freaking out.
lol me neither 😬
Which VR platform do you use?
Simba is a beast. ❤
I will be giving him yet another raise, more fancy cat food and little toy mice to play with!
@@EverestMysteryI can’t tell if he’s a large floof or if you are a small man! You are lucky to share a kingdom with such a distinguished house lion
Great video! I'm learning a lot about everest through your channel. I'm not a climber myself, but I have always been aware of the mystique surrounding everest.
Thanks so much, I'm glad you found the channel and that you're enjoying learning about the mountain!
I’ve never climbed any mountain, never dreamed to go to Everest, but your story telling has made me watch pretty much all your videos. Interesting to learn about other people’s experiences and interests. Great channel!
It really is.
I demand to be hauled up to camp 2 on a human lift 💅 lmao this is insanity!! Always a pleasure to see a video from Thom and Simba ❤
Not insane... ive said they need to have one to the top. Stop the climbs completely. Charge a 20 grand fee. Stop the litter, stop the deaths, stop the commercialism of it all.
@@sourgummiez im going to go on a ski lift lol
Love your buddy in the background! Love your channel!💜
That big orange floof makes me happy
RE: novices on Everest…Ask OceanGate’s CEO what happens when you don’t know as much as you think you do. Climb any mountain you want…but do it in full knowledge and understanding. Train and practice. Know how you respond to the environment there.
I always skip the embedded commercials, but your little head nod while you were eating was absolutely charming.
They need to have a series of "rest years" when nobody goes up there. The amount of money being made needs to be taxed to cover the cost of supporting local businesses and Sherpa families who would lose out financially during the "rest years".
Simba doesn’t give a crap about permit fees or over crowding. Some days I wish I was a cat. 😂 🐈
This was a very interesting video. Thom, thank you for your work putting it together. I always enjoy your work.
Now to comment on the content. I am 56 and have always been very intrigued by Everest. I am so happy that I will get to see the mountain in April/May. I have been working out consistently every morning (almost) at 4 am to be in great shape to trek to EBC. I think great goals take great preparation and work. Achieving a goal is the reward for that work. I also feel that making the mountain easier takes away from the achievement. I do not know what the answer is. I do know that I will have an amazing experience. In addition to working hard to enjoy it, there is also a great responsibility that I feel for having the experience. For me the responsibility is to leave no trace, be respectful of the culture, to not be the ugly american over there. I recognize the sacredness of the mountain to the Nepalese people and respect that.
I appreciate you and your thought provoking work on this video. I watched it while working out this morning and want to watch it again. I think the answer may lay in limiting the amount of permits, and closer regulation of the expeditions and how they leave the mountain. Unfortunately it seems that outside of ethics, money is what drives this world.
Again, my thanks Thom. You are amazing!!!
Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to write a great and thought provoking comment. I'm stoked that you will be going to Base Camp this April/May. The journey is exceptional. I personally may also be up there this spring....but, many details need to be ironed out. I agree with you on the importance of respecting the culture and the environment during our visits. Keep me posted on your progress leading up to your trek. Thanks again and THANK YOU for supporting the channel!
Came to see *Simba* and happened to hear some Everest news too. Win/Win
That warms my heart, hearing that the Sherpas carrying the waste get paid very well. I do hope it's true.
Thank you Thom….I totally enjoy your podcasts!
I just adore Simba, and your videos are fascinating 😊
Thanks man. You're a cool dude. I enjoy learning about the mountain
I’m to old the climb her. I have always thought about base camp and seeing her with my own eyes. It would be a dream. Seeing this I feel I’m am best serving her by staying away.
I believe that you can do great things trekking into Base Camp....for instance, there are programs wherein volunteers carry bags and collect trash that they find along the trails, thus helping not only the preservation of the environment but supporting the economy. Just a thought :)
You can do treks that help the people of Nepal while you trek to Everest. I was planning to do it a few years ago but in the end decided I couldn’t handle the cold. I still would have love to have seen Everest though. Research trek companies that do this .
You could host a garbage clean up expedition. 🤔 Bring in more donkeys than needed and load them up with garbage on your way out, if you have the funds.
@ that sounds like I could go and not feel guilty about my impact. Thank you so much. I love this space.
@ thank you. I have connections within the Nepalese community here in Ireland. That’s such a great idea. Really appreciate your input. Thank so much.
Dear Sir...
Thank you for sharing your knowledge of Everest. At 60, I have loved the stories of climbing the mountain. While I have no personal desire to climb it myself, I have enjoyed many journeys in my mind. Further I wanted to tell you that your voice is so easy to listen to.... calm and non confronting.
Please continue your personal Everest journey, so that we may learn more.
Thank you Sinc. Stormy S.
Thank you. Also thanks for your channel. Mt Everest has caught my fascination. There is a spirit about you true climbers... Danke
(I'll check the link)
Thank you, it's great having you here!
fantastic video,well documented,thankyou..all the best for new year,
Mount Everest would be supergreat if Sherpas built an an Elon Musk imagined funicular pod that goes up to the top (and then a maybe a zip line to come down for some variety)
Then every self-important person could pay a ton to have this added to their bucket list, and Nepal would be flush with cash.
For the so-called Luddite achievers who still want to climb, the Nepal government could make permits 500000, and require that they are some super achiever like a triathlete.
Thom. Great video!! Sad whats happening to the Mt. has anyone seen any changes to the mountain since the earthquake?😊
Have a look at how close the backflip guy gets to sticking a crampon spike into someone's thigh
OR their climbing rope. Something that happens in practice, yes, but as a result of optional backflips, no. RESPECT, people. If not to Hindu religion, at least to your fellow climbers. This isn’t a Van Halen music video..
Well-done video!! Great documentary!
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Thom, my man!!!
On your advice I got Jochen and Eric's book Decetives on Everest, it's my kind of book to (lots of pictures), I just started reading it last night and was just getting ready to sit down this evening and continue with it, the only thing that could make it better is if you and Jake wrote a foreward for it, I'm gonna email Jochem and tell him he should get you guys to do that for a revised edition, I'll buy it again if he does.
It really is my kind of book though, being written by premier authorities and with nothing but facts and first hand accounts, you're right, Jochem is definitely the foremost authority on all things Everest with Jake being the foremost authority on everything at altitude on Everest, from the yellow band up he's probably mapped out and discovered more sites from those early expeditions than anyone, and your photos are the best, my favorite Everest photo, next to that immoral picture of Tenzig Norgay on the summit taken by Hillary (which is right up there with Armstrong's photo of Aldrin on the moon) is the one you caught of Jake just as the sunrise was hitting him high up on the mountain, that'd make a great poster to have framed.
What a thing you guys did in 99, that's right up there with Carter finding King Tut's tomb, I just can't believe that people fall for the conspiracy nonsense, you guys deserve nothing but praise, not accusations.
Keep the videos coming, I'm not even particularly fascinated with Everest that much, not like I am with researching WW2, but you Jake and Jochem make it so interesting, you should do an episode with the three of you and bring Jake's interactive map into it with updates about where most likely Irvine's boot was found and do a reverse timeline on the flow of the glacier, I know you've already covered it somewhat but the three of you bouncing things off each other in the same podcast would be great, I'd stand in line to see that.
Word! Thank you my friend. Jake and Jochen are frequent guests on Everest Mystery...perhaps it's time to get the gang together! Cheers and thanks for the great comment : )
Thank you🙏🏻
Love your channel 🫶🏻
You are an incredible speaker! Your videos are informative, educational and entertaining. I really enjoy your videos.
Love the channel. I haven’t climbed many mountains but really enjoy the stories and news about the places and mountaineering. Great job!
If I could handle the altitude at base camp my goal would be to help clean up and that’s about it. I’m a dead duck to try and go any higher 👍👍
Thank you, your the best
As far as mountaineering on Everest go, the greatest achievements come down to 5/*6
1. First to reach the summit and descend (1953) - Edmund Hillary, Tenzing Norgay,
2. First to reach the summit without oxygen (1978) - Reinhold Messner, Peter Habeler,
3. First to reach the summit and descend (North Ridge 1960) - Wang Fu-chou,
4. First woman to reach the summit and descend (1975) - Junko Tabei
5. First woman to reach the summit without oxygen (1988) - Lydia Pounamu Bradey
* First Expedition to reach Everest in 1921
Good call! But I would place Messner's 1980 solo ascent on a new route through the North Face on top. No oxygen, no securities, and no one else on the entire mountain during monsoon season.
Awesome! Thank you
Of course all of them did it for their respect of the mountain and the local culture and not for fame and self gratification, unlike the "Instagram" crowd. /s
Oops. Being first to "climb a mountain because it's the highest, and not to save lives" *is* the epitome of vanity to be put on a list and have "Awesome" as a response by other climbers.
How many Sherpas were injured or killed aiding these people you revere to be "first" to climb Everest?
@@BubbaBearsFriend I respectfully disagree, the First's pave the path for everyone after them, before they do it its unknown if it can be done, that achievement should be in the history books. I understand what an incredible personal achievement it is for anyone who's climbed Everest and probably the obstacles faced on those climbs were more severe than the first climbers but the fact remains, the end goal has already been done.
I never said that they weren't great athletes nor that it wasn't difficult. But they sure did it for "being the first" and that puts them in the same "did it for clout" category as Mr. First Backflip guy.
I enjoy and learn so much from your videos. Thank you very much.
lol that was an amazing opening !
I had fun making it, and could honestly see it all happening in one form or another!
It shows how good the sherpas and equipment is nowdays
Love Your Videos. .Sir‼️ Yes is True. . US A mountainer my self it would be Great To preserve..such experience for the future mountaineer much2x love From Philippines 🇵🇭Great Content
Defeats the challenge by using such things mentioned in the intro. Insane!
Thanks for watching!
Great work - as always - Thom...the future of Everest is a compelling issue, if climbing expeditions are to be a part of Everest's future. You're very right in asserting that summitting - once in the domain of exploration and discovery, pitting human physiology to it's absolute limits in an extremely inhospitable environment - you're literally climbing, on foot, upward into the jet stream, over 8km into the sky where passenger jets reach cruising altitude no less - but it has now become merely a task on many bucket lists, as you say - a selfie opportunity with no comprehension of just what it takes to attempt this mountain at all. I think handing the organization of expedition parties over to Nepalese based ventures is paramount, and feels right that they should be the arbiters of this industry altogether. The training of high altitude workers, also, is a good thing for the mountaineering community and for the indigenous alike, establishing the peerless expertise of a genuine high altitude worker as a highly skilled, specialized career that the upcoming younger Nepalese will see as a career worth pursuing - and, in attaining such a specialized, expert skill level required that will see them highly sought after and essential to any climbing party, they will be justified in asking for a payment rate that will reflect the danger to pay ratio they lack in the current arrangement. Anybody wishing to be accepted into an expedition should be required to hold solid, evidential proof of experience and skill level, as well as a thorough medical to determine appropriate fitness, as well as one's current state of physiological rigour for such a climb, regardless of previous climbs where all was well. Cleanup expeditions should be waived of fees, and supported in any capacity required.
There is a multitude of solutions available to make the future of Everest viable - reinvention and reassigned authority to the indigenous community entirely is a massive step in the right direction for this future to happen, and for it to be a success...for the mountain itself, and the people who live in the mountains domain, first and foremost.
Thank you as always for your insight and your interest in these matters. I truly appreciate your support of the channel, thank you!
Great intro!!
The early expeditions trashed the mountain way way worse than what happens today by any team -way more reprehensible than present climbers, there's just more people today. So while they were people of their time, a disgusting precedent was set long ago that every subsequent generation inherits and justifies with what they have learned from their heroes.
I think Business Insider has an episode on Mt. Everest and one of the Sherpas believes there won't be any more climbing in 10 years due to environmental changes, lack of guides entering this industry, and possible government changes.
Yes thank you! You will see that I credited that in the video and also linked to that video in the description! Truly appreciate that you took the time to watch
@@miriamthompson905 oooh definitely am gonna check that out after this!
Very good Thom, thank you. Two comments if I may. First, if I need all this support to do something, really, what is the satisfaction to be gained? Secondly I think of Groucho Marx’s comment that he wouldn’t want to be a member of any club that would have him as a member. Okay, one more. The great arctic explorer Raold Amundsen, when questioned about his activities which to most would seem “adventurous “ responded by saying that “adventure “ was the result of poor planning or execution 😊
People should have to qualify to climb this mountain just like Runners qualify for the Boston Marathon. I don't know what the criteria would be, but it would almost certainly be experience-based. It also wouldn't hurt if licensing were contingent upon taking more off the mountain than you bring, at least for some time to come.
It's like an extremely dangerous vacation in a trash dump. 🤔🤦😂
Greetings from East Tennessee 🤠
Greetings from your neighbor in Western North Carolina.
@truthseeker2222 Hello! 👋
This Future News piece seemed quite possible to imagine actually
Yes, I honestly included elements that I could imagine being within the realm of possibility. Thank you for watching!
Let me start by saying what a great channel you have and I really enjoy watching. My opinion on Everest now is the majority is about commercial gains money and egos which is very sad and if they don't restrict it like China it will only get worse. Also you mentioned Conrad Anker training the sherpas is that voluntary or a commercial venture to?
Hi and thank you very much. Conrad helps run the Khumbu Climbing Center, which is a non-profit (link to their website is in the description), their mission is to educate and empower local high-altitude workers, and most of those employed there are local. It is an impressive place to see and is helping teach these individuals to be competent and confident mountaineers, thus making it safer for those they are working with. In terms of Conrad, I'm guessing his role is mostly voluntary, but he teaches ice climbing courses and the like at various times of the year.
@EverestMystery Thank you very much for your reply 😊 and keep up the good work with your channel 👍 already looking forward to your next video.
When I climbed in 80's, it was an escape from civilisation, engaging in an almost spiritual activity respecting nature and solitude. Unfortunately Everest is more or less stolen away from old school climbers because it is exactly opposite from what we were seeking and there is no way to climb it without high altitude porters and fixed ropes.
Out of the many mountains, Everest and K2 (since it's becoming Everest 2) are one of those peaks I ain't gonna climb. It's just not worth it anymore. Here in Germany, the highest peak (Zugspitze) has become a tourist attraction too. Right now, a literal amusement park is being constructed on it. These aren't mountains anymore. We don't deserve climbing them, considering what we do up there.
LOL, that intro. Where is Orwell when you need him?
I wonder…if selfies and videos were not allowed…who would still want to climb Everest? 🤔
It's not about the destination it's about the journey
Climbing Everest or any mountain "NOT FOR SURVIVAL" has always been about self gratification. Even for the original alpine enthusiasts. That's nothing new. Hey, I go for hikes for my own enjoyment, I don't fool myself and claim that's it because I'm doing it out of my respect for the trail, to honor its grandeur.
However, the unqualified climbers these days brings it to a new level of consumerism.
Re: Garbage. Well, the original climbers also littered on Everest and didn't haul everything down either. So that blows holes on the "original" climbers "respecting" the mountain. Of course that doesn't mean that newer ones care more though.
Well said; I completely agree. I find climbers pretty pompous and I also don’t really care for their gatekeeping. Who are they to decide that they should be allowed to climb, but not the ‘plebs’?
Just got back from Everest. So a few things. First off parking was a nightmare. Everest is like 20 miles from where you park and you're expected to walk the whole way! Then once you get there they tell you that you can't just walk up in one go, you have to what they call: acclimatize, which means you have to wait at each camp for days at a time! What a waste of my time. Next there's garbage everywhere (so gross!!!) and you're expected to do your "business" into plastic bags! Like comon guys just build a toilet, its not that hard. Last but not least there are no escalators or elevators or anything, you have to walk all the way up there and its like so far! 2/5 don't recommend.
Love the Channel, love Simba❤. New Subscriber here….
Safety comes first, of course, but why would you gatekeep the mountain? For nostalgia? Technology has evolved and these kind of feats are starting to be available to a wider audience. Some time ago, people were attempting and failing to conqer the mountain and now so many are succeeding. Isn't that amazing?
I’m guessing because it’s not amazing. It used to take actual effort and talent. Now anyone with money can risk their life and leave tons of trash up there and become a risk for sherpa if they need rescuing.
Crazy stuff
I’ve always viewed climbing Mount Everest as one of those unattainable “things” With the videos that have come out in the last couple of years of the giant lines of people all “striving” (at whatever the cost) to get to the summit, it just makes me shake my head! Money talks, and human lives at stake! The entire “climbing Mount Everest experience ” has grown way to commercial now, and it makes me wonder what the impact it will have in the future?!
As a mountaineering fan I have to say that I'm not overly impressed with people that climb Everest anymore, don't get me wrong I understand that it's still a monumental achievement, but I think mountains like K2 and Annapurna are much more of a big deal.
These are random thoughts:
Tourism has replaced mountaineering.
I think a lot of the tourist "climbers" today have been gaslighted by the commercial PR
"'We can make your bucket lists come true."
And silently "And we don't care about all the garbage and human waste polluting the water and the mountain but we'll pretend to care."
People think they are entering a pristine wilderness. it's really sad.
I missed my chance years ago to climb Everest. I thought I was a good climber but not a great climber. Today it doesn't matter.... You can be a neophyte.
And this instant gratification is one of the reasons why I despise the commercialization of the seven peaks on the seven continents..... ....
Give me your money and perhaps you'll make it to the top, perhaps you'll make it down. Perhaps not.
I would not want to risk my life with 1,000+ people on the mountain, many who have never climbed before, and have little or no technical climbing experience.......
Another introspective video. Peace Out!!!!! / Simba is Beautiful....
It's very sad what is happening with Everest. I grew up in awe of the pioneers who first started getting up there and marvelling at their achievements. There is no comparison with the guided trips that are commonplace today. That said, I really don't think we have the right to tell people they can't go if that's what they want to do. But, doing that with no conditions and no responsibility to the Mountain and it's people is just plain wrong. It's easier to go climb Everest than it is to join my local kayak club. Before you start you have to show that you can swim at least 50 metres and that you can safely exit your boat if you go upside down. Just very basic safety stuff but you don't even have that when climbing the tallest mountain in the world - that's just crazy!!
❤Simba❤
The Nepal government should either charge considerably more per permit (say $10k per person) to pay for trash removal, or require that hikers be fit enough to carry out a (high) percentage of their own garbage. They could even offer both options and have potential climbers choose!
Absolutely, great thought! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to write your ideas. Also, THANK YOU for your support : )
From a geologic perspective, the climate is always changing. There is no ideal climate or temperature to aim for. We should accept this fact while we strive to find and utilize alternative forms of energy. That being said, it seems most people completely disregard other types of environmental degredation that we should put more focus on and can absolutely do something about.
THANK YOU. There's all this chatter about how the earth is the hottest it's ever been. Those same people also think it's six billion years old and a lousy hundred years is long enough to decide what kind of weather is average and talk as if it's a breach of contract if it changes.
I am really liking the garbage fire and the methane plant, though. That, I can support. They should build more methane plants around here instead of just dumping excess into rivers as raw sewage. It's a shame that rich, lazy people are in charge, so nothing new gets done.
The climate is always changing but it’s not always changing this fast. Also, there is an ideal temperature range that is suitable for human life. Anything outside that range is not suitable for long term preservation of the human race. Accepting that climate change is just going to happen is effectively accepting that we’re destroying the earth at a rapid pace and disrupting the complex balance that is required to maintain a stable climate. It’s equivalent to “who cares”. If that’s your logic, you’re accepting that we’re knowingly bringing famine and droughts and storms to people all over the world. It requires a complete lack of empathy for people all over the world who depend on a stable climate to survive. With that logic, why talk about the human waste problem? Can we effectively murder an entire region of people without consequences? It’s going to happen anyways right?
When you carry your reason or logic to an extreme, you should still be able to stand by it. Accepting that we’re just going to destroy things in the process is not a reasonable solution. If you understand that the speed at which humans are altering the climate is unacceptable, you push for alternatives. Accepting mutually assured destruction is not a good way to solve problems.
Ignoring science doesn’t turn out well for people.
@@Orquet-qj2nfthey’re not looking at data from 100 years, they’re looking at data from the history of the earth. Geology and environmental science is not limited to 100 years. It’s limited by how deep of a core you can get for analysis.
@CaitiCat I assure you that I'm not "ignoring science," nor am I discouraging alternative forms of energy
It’s a reflection of the world we live in. Pay to play. If you pay enough you can “achieve” just about anything nowadays. Sad state all round, and in typical fashion Mother Nature, and the poor, carry the true cost.
Money cheapens everything.
The world is constantly changing and each generation experience’s the world in a different way than the generations before. You can’t expect people to feel the same way about the Mountain from generation to generation.
Absolutely, I did take the time to discuss that as neither good nor bad, just the way it is. Thank you for watching!
Don’t want to be a downer but climbing these highest peaks is a death sentence for most people.
Its time to put a chairlift in to make Everest accessible to all and rail links to hotels at base camp. A ramp at hilary step for disabled acess and a tensing cafe.
I am sad about how commercialized the climb has become. There needs to be more regulation for sure, less permits and a level of training required. I saw a RUclips video from a cl8mbing group the spun base camp as a luxurious distinction with 4 star chiefs. Seeing the amount of trash was so disrespectful to the environment and the amount of human waste..disguising. I am also ashamed by how people would pass by others needing help. It makes me sad about how selfish people can be.
1924: “I climb Everest because it’s there”
2024: “I climb Everest because it’s trendy #SummitSelfie #BucketList #VacationVibes #AintNoMountainHighEnough”
But both groups are doing it for fame/self gratification/bragging rights in their circle.
They're not doing it "out of respect" for nature. If they truly respected nature, they'd leave the mountain untouched by humans that just want to "conquer" her.
I think the fact everest is turning to a tourist hot spot waters down the gravity of the accomplishment! It's becoming a status symbol! many stories of people going up there who don't know what they're doing and contributing to the level of danger on the climb! How many skilled climbers&sherpa have been put in danger due to inexperienced climbers? Trashing the mountain is selfish to the people of nepal. They already are disadvantaged, why add to their risk by contaminating their water supply? Ugh. I could go on and on. Its Sad😢
The Nepal government should do what the Chinese do to protect the mountain.
I think humans can do whatever they want, as long as they aren't hurting anyone. He just climbed the highest peak in the Himalayas, let him get his back flip on. Just because he did it on camera, which everyone that summits needs a picture for proof anyways, he shouldn't let the "traditionalists" detour him from having his fun.
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
The industry is mainly responsible for CO2 emissions and other greenhouse gases.
I dont know a ton about mountaineering but seems to me there should be a requirement for some level of experience before being able to climb everest .. whether it's smaller mountains climbed or hours of instruction. Additionally, limit the number of people able to climb annually.
Edit - just got to the part where he talks about this
Could I ask if there is a mountain you would suggest say under 6000m that’s a challenge but fun?
Yes, of course. If you wish to climb the mountain in Nepal, there are many trekking peaks that are challenging and fun. Depending on your level of skill (and fitness) there are many to choose from. In the states, many are drawn to Mt. Rainier. perhaps Mt. Whitney. In France, Mont Blanc is AMAZING and one of the great mountains of the world. There are guide services that can help you navigate through the permits and logistics.
@ thank you so much. Really appreciate your advice.
Been up all night thinking about where to go. I think America with the hope of going to Nepal as my prize. Thank so so much for the advice. Mountains and clmbing give me great comfort. I am truly thankful for finding this space.
To be honest heard the story of a Japanese Shugendo Yamabushi 山伏 priest. Who heard of the story of people dying at Mount Everest. He reacted the following. Mountains are not there to die on then, the are there to worship and teach humility.
Ok i added the humility part to the story, but what drives most of the people ego. Being one with nature and the mountains is quite easy possible outside of mass tourism where nature is being polluted and the extreme achievement of climbing it is just a point on a bucket list for the ego.
2000 people live in the base camp. Some stay in luxury hotels in Kathmandu and commute via Lukla by plane and helicopter. Each tourist has between 1 and 3 guides for safety. Sagarmatha tourists are now spending more money and creating jobs in Nepal. Hotels, transport, catering, guiding and trade. The Nepalese government is removing more and more waste. Gone are the 1920s and 1950s, when porters and Sherpas were paid £1 a day to risk their lives. The "brave mountaineer" exploitation of Nepal is coming to an end. Hurray, hurray, hurray!
I mean, is the guy who wanted to do the highest back flip really that different than wanting to be the 1st woman who was from the US to do it? Idk if I agree with those sentiments. Is it really so easy to climb everest that any influencer can do it just to take a selfie? I think people do still have a reverence regarding mount everest, you still need to train for a long time and still need to get acclimated. It's not like an influencer comes the day after having the idea and gets carried up the mountain. To me it's more of a generational gap. Using your phone to take a picture is no different than everyone who made sure to bring their camera to take a picture. If it wasn't about themselves doing it then there would never be any pictures of anyone on everest. Yet even in the past people made sure to bring their camera and get proof they did it. I think that speech was a little too "kids these days" definitely judge people about trash and that kind of stuff but taking about taking pictures is a terrible point to make
If you honestly think that people are gonna carry their shit down from that mountain voluntarily you gotta be higher than a kite
You’re asked to do that on most big snow Mtns- Whitney, Shasta, Hood, Rainier, etc. When you’ve seen the crowds, use your imagination and you can reckon a ballpark figure for the no. of turds dissolving into those sky-blue waters in the lakes and spring runoff.
I come to see Simba and stay for the big mountain 😂
Love your ginger!
How disappointing on multiple levels. I too think climbing Everest has become a tourist attraction, and has slid far from a feat of mankind it once was just a couple decades ago. 💔
This blows my mind. It would never occur to me to attempt any alpine climb without any experience! WTF???? Before my horse aged out, I was an endurance rider. Could someone get on my horse and traverse rugged terrain for 10 or 15 miles in August? Slim chance, but perhaps
Really enjoyed your video until the ad… I pay to not have ads. I assume you get paid more. FYI, those of us who pay to skip ads don’t watch channels that require ads. Xoxo. (I’m sad I can’t watch the rest of your video)
Thanks for your comment-I’m glad you enjoyed the video up to that point. I understand ads aren’t everyone’s choice, but they’re absolutely essential for me to keep creating content. Most users also have learned how to click forward...the RUclips analytics shows me that many of them do. RUclips is how I make a living - and while I appreciate Premium users who help indirectly, ads are a vital part of me continuing to make content.
I hope you’ll stick around.
As long as the SHERPAS are making more money for their families I say keep raising the fees and requirements as high as possible for these entitled people who have NO business on their mountain!!!! CHARGE THEM MORE.
I agree. Fair wages for Sherpas! More opportunities to make money for Sherpas by charging enough to pay them decently to clean up garbage!
It's like doing the Monaco Grand Prix in a child safety seat.
Yes, bodies as stairs😮😮
What if you could only climb if you weren’t allowed to put it on social media and basically not tell anyone that you’re climbing Everest??
That would be excellent!
Some have to do it to get funding for their trip though.
The future of Everest : NO MORE CLIMBING
What a shame. I've had a dream since I was a kid to see everest. Climb? Yes but I have such respect for the mountain and people that my desire was to climb, if I summit awesome but I never had this burning desire to risk other people's lives and pay to have me dragged to the top. What a shame. What an awesome place on earth that's been ruined and absolutely destroyed by commercialization. It's such an incredible place on earth. My personal reasons to go was to see a place i love, respect and have curiosity about. Not for the ability to wrote a book, go on a speaking tour or profit from it. Would you recommend Lhotse? maybe I'm relegated to Mt. Washington in the winter to get my apline kicks. Ive spent 20 years learning alpine safety, how to use the equipment to protect myself and those around me. What a shame. It's embarrassing and shouldn't be allowed.
Blame lands squarely on the greedy guide services.
Just here to see how many ppl in the comments are here to educate each other that climbing Everest isn’t for everyone. With their internet education.
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Thank you :)
Naah, the Chinese are planning a gondola up the Great Couloir to drop "climbers" off a 100 meters from the summit to clip on to a wire cable for the final push...
Tom, they would be able to pull that off! The highway that leads to Base Camp is one of the most exceptional highways I've ever driven on...absolutely gorgeous. And, they are building a mountaineering museum the size of FIVE super Wal-Marts near the Khumbu Monastery. Thanks for watching!
I'm waiting for the 6 times daily helicopter shuttles to base camp so you can ride the pressurized cable car to the top. There you enjoy a quick cappuccino in the summit lounge and snap a few selfies before the ride back down.
Getting to the root cause of the problems mentioned will go far with prevention. Lack of a moral compass among many climbers and businesses contributes to each of the problems mentioned with the greatest moral failings being greed and selfishness. If climbers fail to self regulate, there is no choice but to enforce stiff regulations by authorities.
Thanks so much for your comment, I couldn't agree any more with you. And, thank you for your amazing support of the channel, it means very much to me.