The groove is there at 07:18 It's right at the edge of the label around the lettering. It's called a "pancake" pressing and more rare than the other grooved pressings... from what I've read.
Hi Stewart! Just discovered your channel and have learned so much from watching just a few of your videos, so thank you very much! I'm not a classical vinyl collector per se, but try to pick up great recordings whenever I have the chance as I love classical music. Those great sounding albums are few and far between, especially in Norway where I live, so it's mostly CDs for me when it comes to classical.
As someone who finds this interesting but has little or no knowledge of the details, could you do a tutorial where you explain the differences between the various 'grooves' etc.
Those Bernstein Mahler digital box sets are all worth money. I picked up #3 in a charity shop earlier this year for £5. The median on discogs is £230+; maximum over £600 (for a sealed copy iirc). I always look out for them cos the 'little knowledge is a dangerous thing' staff often pass over digital classical vinyl as worthless when some of them are very much not! (Always keeping my eyes peeled for the Chung digital vinyl for this very reason).
The DGG Mahlers have been expensive for the past decade or so. This set is particularly sought after as most were pressed after 1988/89 when the majority of classical music was on CD. Any Philips, DGG or Sony LPs after 1990 are worth picking up on the basis that there aren't that many of them. Like others I have picked up most of these from charity shops. Though weirdly the ones I have never seen in the wild are Nos 7 & 9 which are the least sought after. The recent Analagphonic reissues have also increased substantially and their No.8 was the first time on vinyl.
The Mozart/Kleiber set is the earliest edition. Often referred to as an ED0 (which predated the ED1), it does have a groove but it is at the very edge of the label, rather than in the more common place inset from the edge of the label. This is sometimes also referred to as a 'pancake' pressing. From the decca archives it is unclear why only a few of the SXL 2000 series had this label. It is not uncommon in these early box sets to have a mix of ED0 and ED1 labels.
I can’t understand why people would pay those prices. I understand that they’re originals and often bought as an investment but do these people actually play the records or just hide them away until the prices go up? At least with art work, if you buy an expensive piece, you can look at it on your wall and derive some pleasure from it. But records are made to be listened to. Keeping them in a box for years until the value goes up seems like a major waste to me. I’d rather play the stock market.
I don't know if they listen to them. I think they will listen at least once at that price to ensure the condition is as stated. But yes I agree. Records are for listening to.
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The groove is there at 07:18 It's right at the edge of the label around the lettering. It's called a "pancake" pressing and more rare than the other grooved pressings... from what I've read.
Thanks. Read down the comments. Others have pointed this out already.
Hi Stewart! Just discovered your channel and have learned so much from watching just a few of your videos, so thank you very much!
I'm not a classical vinyl collector per se, but try to pick up great recordings whenever I have the chance as I love classical music. Those great sounding albums are few and far between, especially in Norway where I live, so it's mostly CDs for me when it comes to classical.
Really enjoying the videos, many thanx
As someone who finds this interesting but has little or no knowledge of the details, could you do a tutorial where you explain the differences between the various 'grooves' etc.
I will be discussing the Decca grooves etc in due course. I made a mistake in this video so need to update my knowledge.
What do you think about the Electric Recording Company?
Those Bernstein Mahler digital box sets are all worth money. I picked up #3 in a charity shop earlier this year for £5. The median on discogs is £230+; maximum over £600 (for a sealed copy iirc). I always look out for them cos the 'little knowledge is a dangerous thing' staff often pass over digital classical vinyl as worthless when some of them are very much not! (Always keeping my eyes peeled for the Chung digital vinyl for this very reason).
Glad I got my version of the 5th for a fiver from Woolworths all those years ago....
The DGG Mahlers have been expensive for the past decade or so. This set is particularly sought after as most were pressed after 1988/89 when the majority of classical music was on CD. Any Philips, DGG or Sony LPs after 1990 are worth picking up on the basis that there aren't that many of them. Like others I have picked up most of these from charity shops. Though weirdly the ones I have never seen in the wild are Nos 7 & 9 which are the least sought after. The recent Analagphonic reissues have also increased substantially and their No.8 was the first time on vinyl.
The Mozart/Kleiber set is the earliest edition. Often referred to as an ED0 (which predated the ED1), it does have a groove but it is at the very edge of the label, rather than in the more common place inset from the edge of the label. This is sometimes also referred to as a 'pancake' pressing. From the decca archives it is unclear why only a few of the SXL 2000 series had this label. It is not uncommon in these early box sets to have a mix of ED0 and ED1 labels.
Thanks for that info. I do have some gaps in my knowledge so I appreciate your comment.
I’m not sure they predate ED1s but it seems that a few SXLs were manufactured in the mono presses. Later monos had that groove.
This is correct. I have SXL 2107-8 in the same combination. Some of the early UK Living Stereos are also ED0.
Great video!
The SXL 2087-90 is the earliest wide band with the groove on the outside edge of label, and a flat edge run-in edge
Yes I forgot about the pancake pressings. Others have already reminded me but thanks.
The Rostropovich/Britten looks like an ED3-not an ED1. Keep up- the Bernstein DG Mahler records are big money!!
Does consciousness of rarity enhance the listening experience? I doubt it.
That Mozart is a pancake groove, far more rare than a typical deep groove. :0
Greg, time for another video please. All the best.
Yes I was wrong about that. It has been a long time. I forgot about the so called pancakes.
I thought the pancake pressings had no groove at all. I’ve come across a couple of these with “Original Recording..” at 11 o’clock.
I can’t understand why people would pay those prices. I understand that they’re originals and often bought as an investment but do these people actually play the records or just hide them away until the prices go up? At least with art work, if you buy an expensive piece, you can look at it on your wall and derive some pleasure from it. But records are made to be listened to. Keeping them in a box for years until the value goes up seems like a major waste to me. I’d rather play the stock market.
I don't know if they listen to them. I think they will listen at least once at that price to ensure the condition is as stated. But yes I agree. Records are for listening to.
I call that, “stamp collecting”.
any significant amount for a digital makes no sense because they can be endlessly printed with no loss
i doubt if any of these buyers even have a record player (-: