Love this video we have to protect catchers and plate umpires. It’s super important and good for the game. There enough for them to get hurt without ones that can be avoided.
In local games, I gave two warnings for bat throwing, told coaches and the batter about what the warnings were. Two innings later, the same batter comes up and throws bat again... I called him out after 2 warnings. The coaches from both sides were happy with the call.. I called it a safety issue... Nobody throw the bat again... I'm a very fair umpire and all coaches love how I rule every game, at times, they request me to umpire their games.
I was a catcher up to high school (stopped playing freshman year). The only other position I played was shortstop (for a couple games never the full season). I couldn't tell you how many times I got a bat to the shoulder or back of the head. It was much more common in the minors than the majors though. It's a habit that you have to break, because it is dangerous. The catcher is paying attention to too many other things, he doesn't need to worry about getting nailed with a baseball bat too. Same for the umpire.
I had one kid at the HS level that threw his bat across my teeth (thank god I was slower getting the mask off)... After the second time of him launching his bat into MY mask.. I gave the coach the choice... pull him or I eject him... he was pulled thankfully... the ejection carries more punishment that I didn't want to see.. and the coach understood too... I know when I had a kid when I coached LL.. I made them drop the bat in a box up the line... much like you state.. muscle memory... and failure created laps at the end of practice.. He learned QUICKLY..
I happened to be a rookie Umpire at the prime age of 21 and had a batter throw a bat , hit the catcher who was running down to first base to back up a throw and took the bat in his eye socket, knocked the little leaguer out. Since then I warn prior to each game and that's it, you toss a bat your out you intentionally toss a bat your tossed from the game. No warnings after the first pitch period. Hate to be hard , but seeing an eye ball out of its socket, never again i pray.
I've been teaching batters to carry their bat several steps up the line and drop it out of play for the past 20 years. Why this isn't universal is criminal.
I had this problem, and I could've used the practice technique explained in this video. Instead, I sort of worked thru the same process myself, accidentally, thru game situations. My original problem was *not* throwing the bat, it was failure to release it while running down the line -- like the first step explained here. Because I didn't have a progression like that one in mind, and no coach suggested it, I overcompensated and *started* throwing the bat. It took me a while to get to where I would just hold it long enough to not throw it, without carrying it a distance while running.
When I was 9 or 10 I was leadoff hitter. One game my teammates all together yelled at me to quit throwing the bat. I didn't realize I was throwing the bat and I told them I wasn't throwing the bat. The next time I hit the ball and started running down the base path, I turned to look and sure enough my bat was flying almost to where my teammates were standing (we didn't have dugouts). I was quite embarrassed and made a point to not release the bat that way anymore. For those throwing the bat, they don't know they are doing something wrong until they are told.
I did this 2 years ago at 21 (first year of playing slow pitch - never played baseball). After noticing it a couple times, the ump gave me a warning and told me that if I did it again, I'd be called out. Next at bat, I did it again and was rightfully called out. I made my apologies to the catcher and ump, then to my team for causing the out. The next couple at bats I would remember to focus on what I did with the bat after my hit and would carry it with me until I consciously dropped it. Now that I won't have played for a full 2 seasons, I really hope the throwing doesn't come back.
You sent me here from the other video and I have the same thing as last time. Calling him out doesn't go against any rules. It nullifies a problem. You listed the rule here that I listed. We as umpires have authority to rule on things not covered in the rule book. If you look at d. We can eject anybody we want for unsportsmanlike conduct and language. We can eject pitchers for continually licking their hand and going directly to the ball or if they continually pick up dirt and deface the ball. There are many things we can eject people for. However. With all that being said. It is a judgment if someone is acting unsportsmanlike or not. People aren't judging if a catcher got hurt or not.. they are judging did he do it on purpose and how can we fix it. You right most little leagues will add a rule clarifying what to do with a misthrown bat. It's just like slash bunt (aka fake bunt swing). There is no little league rule that says you can't do it. But parents like to complain about people doing it as it's dangerous. Again little league doesn't cover follow through interference. High school rules do have a rule against it. Follow through swing hits catchers all the time in the major league and nothing happens.. follow through interference does not exist in little league. Therefore for safety reasons when someone is not throwing a bat in an unsportsmanlike way.. we do have the authority to rule on safety. I absolutely would agree with a follow through interference rule being implemented into the rules though. I agree child safety needs to be top priority. High school did it and so should little league. Little league offering a suggestion is irrelevant as it's not a rule. I guess if you called an out a person could protest and claim it isnt a rule and since technically that isn't a rule either the team with the offending child could actually win that protest. You would have to deem it unsportsmanlike for it to matter. And yes if you eject the kid because you deem it unsportmanship nobody could really argue with it as sportsmanship can be a judgment rule in itself.
This came up a bunch in our t-ball game last night. It's like once one kid does it... They all start doing it. Never noticed it so much before last night. Ump actually warned my batter. It got close to being called out on his next AB but luckily nobody saw him and the ump only caught a peripheral view of it so he didn't call it.
But there's no rule that says a batter is out for throwing his bat. It should go like this: - A batter carelessly throws his bat. - That specific batter is given a warning. It's not a team warning. It only applies to that specific player. - If it happens again, the player is removed from the game. Technically, it's an ejection. Personally, I (as the umpire) don't use the e-word for this sort of thing if the batter is simply being careless. Mostly, he's just removed from the game. It's more of a bench restriction. He's not out. A substitute has to take his place. So, if he hits a triple and throws his bat a second time, a substitute has to take his place on 3rd base. In OBR (Official Baseball Rules), there's an entire section of the rulebook that begins with "A batter is out when ..." Under that heading there are FIFTEEN things that cause the batter to be out. Throwing the bat is not on that list. Basically, the player is ejected for failing to follow the umpire's instructions. The player was instructed to stop carelessly throwing his bat. He didn't follow those instructions. Now he's ejected. I don't know what kind of rules under which the games in your video were played. Maybe there is some special, local rule about throwing the bat. I notice that the plate umpire immediately calls time (with multiple runners on base) after a batter hits the ball and throws his bat. Just let it play out and, when the dust settles, remove and replace the player for having thrown his bat - but only if it is after he was warned.
a lid on my 13u travel team threw the bat a the catcher and he was called out and the ump gave him a warning and said if he did it again he would be ejected and the rule was that the first time is an ejection but we only had nine players so he got an warning
No matter how much baseball I watch or play, I still always wonder how the catcher doesn't get nailed by the bat on the swing more often, some catchers get so close.
When I was catching in 13U a batter hit me with his thrown bat 3 times in a single at bat and 5 times in the game. This is why I eject batters after the 3rd thrown bat that hits a fielder or umpire
Like you said, there is no rule that allows an umpire to call a player out for this. Unless there's a local rule, the umpire may warm then eject. If LL has their standard, then go by that when writing LL games.
@@russellbrooker2122 and if you try to say 8.01c, you can just stop because that would be ridiculous. No serious umpire looks to that for justification for anything.
We played against a team that had a catcher that would pretend to get hit with the bat or over sold getting hit with the bat after we started really pouring on the runs. Thank god the umpire saw it was all bush
I was catching and when I went to stand up out of my squat the back swing hit me in the back of the head and hard should the umpire have done something??? In little league
No. Getting hit on the back swing on a hit ball is considered a part of the swing. An umpire might tell you not to stand up so quickly or back further from the batter. If the batter hit you when swinging and he missed the ball which meant you couldn't make a play on a runner, then he could call the batter out for interference. That would require that interference actually occurred. If you were standing up to get a high pitch...that's not the best thing for a catcher to do for this very reason AND you block the umpire from seeing the pitch, so he's likely not calling a strike not matter what. Stay down and if your pitcher needs a target, just lift your glove.
I've had a bat flung at me once because of me being the only good catcher in the league at the time in retaliation I kicked it passed thire dug out and shot a look that if it could kill it would've
That is correct. There IS a new rule that allows for an out to be made when only 8 players are in the line-up. In 2021, for the regular season, Little League will allow teams to start or continue to play with only 8 players. They then let the local league decide if the 9th spot in the line up will be an automatic out or not. This is the first time to my knowledge there has ever been a possible automatic out in Little League and the rule change was made public after the voice over was recorded, so I added the text over instead.
8.01c. 9.01c has to do with the Official Scorer. If we're going to butcher the book interpretations, let's at least use the book that's been in use for the past decade or so.
Love this video we have to protect catchers and plate umpires. It’s super important and good for the game. There enough for them to get hurt without ones that can be avoided.
In local games, I gave two warnings for bat throwing, told coaches and the batter about what the warnings were.
Two innings later, the same batter comes up and throws bat again...
I called him out after 2 warnings.
The coaches from both sides were happy with the call..
I called it a safety issue...
Nobody throw the bat again...
I'm a very fair umpire and all coaches love how I rule every game, at times, they request me to umpire their games.
I was a catcher up to high school (stopped playing freshman year). The only other position I played was shortstop (for a couple games never the full season). I couldn't tell you how many times I got a bat to the shoulder or back of the head. It was much more common in the minors than the majors though. It's a habit that you have to break, because it is dangerous. The catcher is paying attention to too many other things, he doesn't need to worry about getting nailed with a baseball bat too. Same for the umpire.
I had one kid at the HS level that threw his bat across my teeth (thank god I was slower getting the mask off)... After the second time of him launching his bat into MY mask.. I gave the coach the choice... pull him or I eject him... he was pulled thankfully... the ejection carries more punishment that I didn't want to see.. and the coach understood too... I know when I had a kid when I coached LL.. I made them drop the bat in a box up the line... much like you state.. muscle memory... and failure created laps at the end of practice.. He learned QUICKLY..
I happened to be a rookie Umpire at the prime age of 21 and had a batter throw a bat , hit the catcher who was running down to first base to back up a throw and took the bat in his eye socket, knocked the little leaguer out. Since then I warn prior to each game and that's it, you toss a bat your out you intentionally toss a bat your tossed from the game. No warnings after the first pitch period. Hate to be hard , but seeing an eye ball out of its socket, never again i pray.
Just got tossed in my tournament game for doing this, video helped thank you.
I've been teaching batters to carry their bat several steps up the line and drop it out of play for the past 20 years. Why this isn't universal is criminal.
What I got from this vid: *To make kids learn a thing or two, you gotta first traumatize them*
I had this problem, and I could've used the practice technique explained in this video. Instead, I sort of worked thru the same process myself, accidentally, thru game situations. My original problem was *not* throwing the bat, it was failure to release it while running down the line -- like the first step explained here. Because I didn't have a progression like that one in mind, and no coach suggested it, I overcompensated and *started* throwing the bat. It took me a while to get to where I would just hold it long enough to not throw it, without carrying it a distance while running.
When I was young anytime a kid threw his bat he got benched. We learned quick not to throw out bats.
When I was 9 I tossed the bat every time I hit the ball and I never got punished. Then again I only hit the ball twice the entire season.
When I was 9 or 10 I was leadoff hitter. One game my teammates all together yelled at me to quit throwing the bat. I didn't realize I was throwing the bat and I told them I wasn't throwing the bat. The next time I hit the ball and started running down the base path, I turned to look and sure enough my bat was flying almost to where my teammates were standing (we didn't have dugouts). I was quite embarrassed and made a point to not release the bat that way anymore. For those throwing the bat, they don't know they are doing something wrong until they are told.
I did this 2 years ago at 21 (first year of playing slow pitch - never played baseball). After noticing it a couple times, the ump gave me a warning and told me that if I did it again, I'd be called out. Next at bat, I did it again and was rightfully called out. I made my apologies to the catcher and ump, then to my team for causing the out. The next couple at bats I would remember to focus on what I did with the bat after my hit and would carry it with me until I consciously dropped it. Now that I won't have played for a full 2 seasons, I really hope the throwing doesn't come back.
You sent me here from the other video and I have the same thing as last time. Calling him out doesn't go against any rules. It nullifies a problem. You listed the rule here that I listed. We as umpires have authority to rule on things not covered in the rule book. If you look at d. We can eject anybody we want for unsportsmanlike conduct and language. We can eject pitchers for continually licking their hand and going directly to the ball or if they continually pick up dirt and deface the ball. There are many things we can eject people for. However.
With all that being said. It is a judgment if someone is acting unsportsmanlike or not. People aren't judging if a catcher got hurt or not.. they are judging did he do it on purpose and how can we fix it. You right most little leagues will add a rule clarifying what to do with a misthrown bat. It's just like slash bunt (aka fake bunt swing). There is no little league rule that says you can't do it. But parents like to complain about people doing it as it's dangerous.
Again little league doesn't cover follow through interference. High school rules do have a rule against it. Follow through swing hits catchers all the time in the major league and nothing happens.. follow through interference does not exist in little league. Therefore for safety reasons when someone is not throwing a bat in an unsportsmanlike way.. we do have the authority to rule on safety. I absolutely would agree with a follow through interference rule being implemented into the rules though. I agree child safety needs to be top priority. High school did it and so should little league.
Little league offering a suggestion is irrelevant as it's not a rule. I guess if you called an out a person could protest and claim it isnt a rule and since technically that isn't a rule either the team with the offending child could actually win that protest. You would have to deem it unsportsmanlike for it to matter. And yes if you eject the kid because you deem it unsportmanship nobody could really argue with it as sportsmanship can be a judgment rule in itself.
Many leagues require an ejection for throwing bat and hitting catcher or umpire
This came up a bunch in our t-ball game last night. It's like once one kid does it... They all start doing it. Never noticed it so much before last night. Ump actually warned my batter. It got close to being called out on his next AB but luckily nobody saw him and the ump only caught a peripheral view of it so he didn't call it.
Love the drill you used to help him so throwing it btw
Doesn’t matter if it barely hit him. You throw the bat you’re out.
As a catcher, I hate nothing more than batters that throw their bat.
Love the videos
But there's no rule that says a batter is out for throwing his bat. It should go like this:
- A batter carelessly throws his bat.
- That specific batter is given a warning. It's not a team warning. It only applies to that specific player.
- If it happens again, the player is removed from the game. Technically, it's an ejection. Personally, I (as the umpire) don't use the e-word for this sort of thing if the batter is simply being careless. Mostly, he's just removed from the game. It's more of a bench restriction. He's not out. A substitute has to take his place. So, if he hits a triple and throws his bat a second time, a substitute has to take his place on 3rd base.
In OBR (Official Baseball Rules), there's an entire section of the rulebook that begins with "A batter is out when ..." Under that heading there are FIFTEEN things that cause the batter to be out. Throwing the bat is not on that list.
Basically, the player is ejected for failing to follow the umpire's instructions. The player was instructed to stop carelessly throwing his bat. He didn't follow those instructions. Now he's ejected.
I don't know what kind of rules under which the games in your video were played. Maybe there is some special, local rule about throwing the bat. I notice that the plate umpire immediately calls time (with multiple runners on base) after a batter hits the ball and throws his bat. Just let it play out and, when the dust settles, remove and replace the player for having thrown his bat - but only if it is after he was warned.
a lid on my 13u travel team threw the bat a the catcher and he was called out and the ump gave him a warning and said if he did it again he would be ejected and the rule was that the first time is an ejection but we only had nine players so he got an warning
No matter how much baseball I watch or play, I still always wonder how the catcher doesn't get nailed by the bat on the swing more often, some catchers get so close.
In JPO, they throw the bat but it’s off to the side not near the catcher
When I was catching in 13U a batter hit me with his thrown bat 3 times in a single at bat and 5 times in the game. This is why I eject batters after the 3rd thrown bat that hits a fielder or umpire
Like you said, there is no rule that allows an umpire to call a player out for this. Unless there's a local rule, the umpire may warm then eject. If LL has their standard, then go by that when writing LL games.
There absolutely is a rule under OBR
@@russellbrooker2122 where?
@@russellbrooker2122 and if you try to say 8.01c, you can just stop because that would be ridiculous. No serious umpire looks to that for justification for anything.
We played against a team that had a catcher that would pretend to get hit with the bat or over sold getting hit with the bat after we started really pouring on the runs. Thank god the umpire saw it was all bush
what happened to me twice in my league and he is always called out
So in the video it said to see the description for a rule the batter could be called out? I see nothing in the description that eludes to this?
I fixed this. It is now there.
I was catching and when I went to stand up out of my squat the back swing hit me in the back of the head and hard should the umpire have done something???
In little league
No. Getting hit on the back swing on a hit ball is considered a part of the swing. An umpire might tell you not to stand up so quickly or back further from the batter. If the batter hit you when swinging and he missed the ball which meant you couldn't make a play on a runner, then he could call the batter out for interference. That would require that interference actually occurred. If you were standing up to get a high pitch...that's not the best thing for a catcher to do for this very reason AND you block the umpire from seeing the pitch, so he's likely not calling a strike not matter what. Stay down and if your pitcher needs a target, just lift your glove.
I've had a bat flung at me once because of me being the only good catcher in the league at the time in retaliation I kicked it passed thire dug out and shot a look that if it could kill it would've
It hurts when you get hit by it
What rule supports calling an out?
None that I am aware of.
@@MJHBaseball exactly. The point I was trying to make is umpires can be their own worst enemy sometimes.
What the umpires need to do is call a dead ball then call the batter out when they throw the bat.
Why cant we throw a metal pipe? Youd think this wouldn’t be questioned…
I catch and I a bat thrown at my hand really how it broke my finger
Throw equipment out.
Interference, hes out.
Unsportsmanlike ruling, hes out.
seen a awful hit...in the 80's brain damage occured...he had such a long way back...
There is no new rule in LL for 2021.
9.01(c) has always been in the book.
That is correct. There IS a new rule that allows for an out to be made when only 8 players are in the line-up. In 2021, for the regular season, Little League will allow teams to start or continue to play with only 8 players. They then let the local league decide if the 9th spot in the line up will be an automatic out or not. This is the first time to my knowledge there has ever been a possible automatic out in Little League and the rule change was made public after the voice over was recorded, so I added the text over instead.
8.01c. 9.01c has to do with the Official Scorer. If we're going to butcher the book interpretations, let's at least use the book that's been in use for the past decade or so.