I always thought the point of Maul force shoving Obi Wan was to demonstrate how Obi Wan's anger had made him vulnerable. He leaves himself open to one of the most basic force powers because he is fighting recklessly. That being said, the pro wrestling-style throw is pretty awesome.
I think that was the intention. Maul goads obiwan in the Clone Wars show, and we see Obiwan sink into his anger as he fights Maul. And Maul takes advantage of this during the fight
Maul was also meditating in his own way. Qui-Gon was attuned to the Force, letting it guide him and granting him focus by creating a moment of calm and peace. Maul on the other hand was pumping himself up, steeped in rage, hate and adrenaline. Obi-Wan on the other hand just stood there, waiting for the doors to open. Qui-Gon and Maul were just in a different league. Yes, he beat Maul, but Maul was easily the more capable fighter and only lost due to his hubris and borderline reckless gloating over Obi-Wan.
Ewan Mcgregor really should have been in more action movies . After seeing how much he put into doing his own stunts he is amazing in Action! I wish I could have seen him in more movies like Star Wars and the Island
True. At least keep him as a reference… I don’t recall any movies outside of Phantom Menace mentioning him or giving him any credit until cartoons came out
@@alessandroviva1652 I could never get into that show. I liked the original series of the same name that it replaced, but once they brought out the CGI and started having more dialogue, the whole thing became to childish. You would think the short episodes with more emphasis on action sequences would have been more childish, but that one actually felt far more mature by comparison. I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the Clone Wars, but I just had to say this. Also, Darth Maul's death in that series felt really lame, and only made it so that he could never be used again in future movies.
@@wr7662 clone wars has some of the most explicit themes in a star wars show rated for kids. Most episodes wouldn't pass on Cartoon network today not to mention all of the political scenes that kids don't understand. If thats you're only reason for not watching it Id recommend giving it another try. By the end of season 3 you'll realize some of the arcs get extremely dark. Just look up the Umbara arc for example. Edit: Darth maul dies in Rebels not the clone wars. He is in 5 seasons of the clone wars as a major antagonist. His death probably felt lame because you saw nothing leading up to it.
The shot where Obi Wan jumps back as Maul lunges, then changes direction to go for Qui Gon is one of the best shots left out, and, alongside a shot from Epsiode III, where Kenobi is forced back on a platform, but taken from a panning angle, should have been in the final movie.
The great thing about this fight is that it holds up so well after all these years and is better than most of the fights that came after. I like it better just the way it is with the force push by Maul.
I love how they aimed hardcore for Phantom Menace fights. Ray Parks brought an intense presence, coupled with kickass boss music, flashy but good choreography, an unusual but powerful weapon, all culminated to make Darth Maul iconic.
Almost brings a tear to my eye getting to see old clips of Star Wars content being created by somebody who had actual passion for it and was in it to create a memorable story, instead of just “Money money money money 🐭🐭🐭🐭” Wish George would have never sold it.
@@chriscage669 Well, probably Lucas was the most surprised by some of that backlash, but i don't think it was beacuse of that. He had a story to tell and he knew the risks but went ahead anyway because it was the story he wanted to tell. Also, he stated publicly that he had concluded that chapter of his life. Now, he could have ended right there and keep the franchise as sole creator, so why did he sell? I think he was pressured really hard to so
But if maul made physical contact with Kenobi, it would raise the question of why Maul didn't just slice or stab him with the saber already in his other hand. I think this was why Lucas made the decision to use the force instead, because it required less time in the heat of battle than to purposely grab, hold and throw. Of course, fans always want what they can't have.
I got to meet Ray Park and ask him. How much more could they have done if they had the carbon fiber Lightsabers from episode 3? He said it didn't matter because most of their stunts ended up being cut anyway. And I remember seeing a picture of Obi-Wan (stunt man). Running up a wall while Maul sliced at where his feet were. That wasn't in the movie.
@StarWarsAnalyst I can't find it anywhere. I still have most of the books, magazines and making of material from 99'. But I can't find that photo anywhere. It's after the hanger before the plasma walkways. Ewan's stuntman is running up the wall into a back flip. Ray Park is slashing at the wall beneath him. There's a crash pad for him to land on. Nick Gillard, and I think Rick McCallum. Are standing in the background. I remember it clearly because I was looking for it in the movie.
I had Obi-Wan tied for my favorite character, but seeing Ewan go as hard as he did in choreography just solidified him as #1 for me. The man is the embodiment of what a traditional Jedi should be. While Luke, Cal Kestis, and Caleb Dume are perfect examples of what a Jedi could be.
As a child I used to watch this battle religiously and reenact it all day lol. And now I’m 24 and I still know the lightsaber sounds each swing is going to make and choreography for everyone, especially the duel between obi and maul lol. It’s like muscle memory. I watched all the deleted scenes and extra content too. Glad you made a video on this
The problem that I see with that last part is that if Maul had all the time to catch and launch Obi, he should just go for the kill at that second, on the other side using the force con be assumed more than a lucky hit when Maul was in some difficult
Or have it to where the force induced hip toss by mail gives him his window with obiwan just barely rolling out the way to fall into the side of the reactor.
@@akshaysundaram1836 I really hate when people use the word “plot armour” espeically when Obi Wan is *main character*! Like, I fail to see what happens if they actually did kill him off. Plot armour is just another buzz word for people who obsess with realism and get pissy over the slightest bit of impracticality.
@@ulfberht4431 You fail to see what happens? Obviously main characters MUST stay alive to sustain continuity. And it's annoying to watch knowing x character can't die while the dope unexplored villains are cannon fodder. That's all. It isn't a buzz word, it's literally just an adjective to describe the limitations of the story
I think that having Maul force push Kenobi down the shaft was a good choice. It makes sense -- Kenobi's un-Jedi-like rage being used against him, as if Maul were feeding off of it. But what really should have been done better, somehow, is Kenobi's final flip and cut. It has always seemed absurd to have Maul just stand there, as if paralyzed and unable to move, as Kenobi . . . . . . (a) levitates up past him . . . . . . (b) flips over him . . . . . . (c) lands, and then . . . . . . (d) slices him. That's a long sequence of movements during each of which Maul should have sliced at Kenobi: during Kenobi's levitate-upward movement, during Kenobi's flip-over movement, during Kenobi's landing movement, and during Kenobi's slicing strike. Four distinct movements! And Maul, the ever-so-quick Maul, suddenly stands there as if he were immobilized? Why? It has never made any sense.
Too true! And the bit where Maul falls onto the lower walkway. In judo, the roll is the first thing you learn. I'd have flicked the blades off, rolled with the hilts diagonal against my body (he landed the perfect way for this) - and been up and ready for when Qui Gon jumped down. Instead, Ray Parks has to lie there rolling about like a beetle on its back - while Liam Neeson has to stand beside him like a moron for whole seconds rather than skewer his enemy. I bet Ray's irritation was real. Never let it be said that the man doesn't have patience in his art.
You aren't taking into consideration the psychology of the Sith. The Sith are aligned with the worst parts of us, meaning that in this moment Maul is basking in the pleasure of gloating while he stares at the defeated Obi-Wan desperately hanging on. In this moment, Maul thinks he has already won, the fight is over, and now he is toying with the object of his hatred, this pathetic defeated Jedi. What is Maul thinking in this moment? "I've just killed your master and now I'm grinning down as I watch your final moments and the hope drain from your eyes as you lose strength and fall to your death." Things like this. In a moment like this when one is so full of himself and consumed by pride, the last thing one would expect is that the tables are about to turn. In this moment when Maul is gloating, the disabling effect of disbelief is enough to prevent him to react. The Dark Side destroys itself, Maul's arrogance and pride is what allows Obi to turn the tides in this moment. Also, you should consider that it looks slow because that is how it had to be due to human limitations of filming a scene like this. In the actual Star Wars universe, I assume it would have been much faster and it just looks clunky on screen.
Practical pov : I guess the sole montage of the scene slows it down for us, otherwise it would have been unreadable for our mere eyes. Lore pov : Maul is too prideful and taunting Obi-Wan which he clearly just defeated. He just can't wait to see him fall to his death. That's precisely what gives Obi-Wan the final upper hand.
@@DrumFuckerFr yeah, i was thinking about it being 'slow-mo' due to restrictions of technology and stuff, it really does look slow to my eye after watching the movie for the first time in decades lol
I would say that we saw pre-prime Obi-Wan in The Phantom Menace and also in The Attack of the Clones. To me, orime Kenobi was during the actual Clone Wars in the animated series and also in Revenge of the Sith.
@@leoistari they were being compared to what came before, and i think that's natural. the original were unreachable because not only were the films amazing but this same "cultural value of Prequels only increases" thing was in full swing for them as it had been 30 years after they came out that ep.1 came out. so the originals had all the nostalgia momentum going mad too. people were like, "FINALLY more of the originals!!!!" and i think we all know how far the prequals were from being that
First thing I want to say is I'm a child of the 70's. I grew up with the original series of 4, 5 and 6. I absolutely LOVED the prequels. Not after 15 years of 'growing on me' like most original series fan boys. But immediately! I thought they were better movies. And the reason being was the light saber duels! They were so powerfully choreographed. I immediately fell in love with the fury of the Sith Lords and their abilities. I respect the prequels adherence to Yoda's words that a Sith gains power faster, meaning of course, a Master Jedi would have serious issues with a Sith apprentice. Then, they stuck to it by having Maul defeat Qui Gon as soon as he had him one on one. Obi Wan's 'beast mode' lasted all of 10 seconds and then Maul beat him as well. What always bothered me was how Obi turned the tables...OK, Obi Wan had to live, otherwise there is no plot but....Watching him levitate into a 60 foot air kicked jump?? and then summersault over Mauls head? When did Human Cannonball become a Jedi power??? He had nothing to kick off on except air! LOLOLOL
Well, he pulled with his arms, but yeah that sequence is just so slow and unbelievable that Maul just stands there and says, "Huh?" while Obi-Wan slices through him.
I will always say ray parks role in this was so severely underrepresented since he had to do most of the attacking and simultaneously blocking, legendary
If he did that, he could've just as easily sliced him up instead of tossing him. I was hoping for a better Obi Wan winning ending - because Darth Maul just watching Obi Wan jump over him grab a light saber, turn it on, and cut him while doing nothing was pretty lame. Plot armor too strong.
Exactly! I have always felt this way and was also hoping for a better ending here. Maul is fast enough and talented enough to duel 2 Jedi at the same time, but isn't fast enough to stop a guy that's below him from jumping all the way over him and slicing him in half? Come on!
Towards the beginning of that fight scene, Obi-wan does a distraction pump-fake at Maul while Qui-Gon strikes. Little bits like that show all the thought and effort that was put into the fight choreography; that one move revealed that this master and apprentice had been in many battles together and were a very experienced fighting team. Still my favorite lightsaber battle of the entire franchise.
My favorite moment will always be when Obi-Wan does a flip over Maul and Maul strikes at him and Obi-Wan blocks the strike in mid flip. That was badass!! I know a lot people hate TPM but say what you want, that fight is hands down the coolest lightsaber fight in all of Sar wars!!
If they dedicated the same amount of time as they did in the prequels the sequels would have been slightly better instead of a bunch of children waving sticks around..
@CoolHandLuke813 I have to be honestly, I HATED the prequels when they launched, I mean absolutely disgusted, BUT over the years they have grown on me. I still don't appreciate the over used cgi or some of the corneier dialog, but they aren't as bad as I fear they were at first, not even near as bad. The story is there, parts rushed way to much, and felt like they didn't make as much sense. With the clone wars and novels to fill the gaps I have forgiven and found a place for them. I really wish they had made it a six movie span, adding the clone wars a bit more, building anakin more , making him a general, showing the battles, so his anger at not getting rank of master made more sense , edging him to his turn. Rather then him just saying okay my wife might die jedi are evil and I'll kill kids and turn on Obi-Wan. That was my main issue , they didn't build him to that point, didn't build him to be the general, or jedi who deserved the rank master, or a seat on the council, or why the jedi wouldn't trust him after he had done so much , leaving out his long relationship with Palpatine or even padme. It felt rushed. The first are still good though, mostly because the duels. They weren't as bad as I felt they were then, buy they could have been more if just made slower and with more movies building and building until revenge of the sith. Still clone wars filled those gaps pretty good. The sequels have no redemption . That trash , what they did to Luke and Han for no reason. The fast Rey did what no one else could that fast , no training , and how she did it, I perfer to pretend they weren't made at ALL. I am getting old and I would have been happy with the original being left alone as well. Still I dint hate the prequel anymore lol
I always hear Ewan Mcgregor talk about lightsabers like he doesn’t really remember how to duel or swing a lightsaber. Make no mistake him and Hayden are LIKE THAT.
There's merit to both endings of the fight. Maul being overpowering is a great testament to the danger Obi-Wan is in, but we already knew Maul was formidable. Couldn't hurt (except Obi-Wan) if we got to see him beat Obi-Wan some more before this. As @Salsmachev said in another comment, the Force Push shows how Obi-Wan is so off-balance that he gets floored by one of the easier tricks in the book, he left himself vulnerable in his rage, and it nearly cost him his life. I think this is the better choice for that reason. The throw simply doesn't demonstrate anything we didn't already know, but the push shows Obi-Wan's state of mind and how dangerous it can be to let your guard down.
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That right there fighting Ray Parks in rehearsals is the Andreas Petrides, Ewan McGregor stunt double that guys absolutely amazing hall of fame stuntman, and I’ve had the pleasure of being trained by him 🔥🔥
The thing that has bothered me since 1999 is that when Maul Force pushes Kenobi, in the closeup it’s Maul’s right hand but then it immediately cuts to a wide shot and he’s holding his left hand up! Makes me insane every time.
@@StarWarsAnalyst you’ll never not notice it now. I noticed it on opening night!!! I’m kinda OCD and the Star Wars films are chock full of that kind of stuff. I love the movies dearly but they also drive me insane at times!
Until they ruined it by turning his speed waaaaay down to allow Obi-Wan to jump all the way over him and slice him in half. He's fast enough to duel 2 Jedi at the same time, but not fast enough to stop Kenobi from doing that? Yeah right.
For me, Ian Mcdiarmid is BY FAR the best actor for the entire prequel trilogy ...truly outstanding work. Classicsl actors like him and Patrick Stewart (Picard) tend to be top tier actors!
This is about the only SW content i can watch now with open admiration. The time effort and work put into these scenes (and the clean-up of the video) is timeless. I'd really like a few longer cuts of the scenes if they are available.
I'm not sure if anyone else ever noticed this, but the Darh Maul/Obi Wan fight is the first time 'force-push' was ever shown onscreen. As a kid who grew up with the original trilogy, I'd always wondered why Luke/Vader never used force push in their duels... and I even though perhaps it wasn't possible to use the force against living beings.
The end scene where Obi kills Maul was utterly stupid and could never have happened. Maul would never have sat there like a deer in the headlights holding a light saber while an unarmed Obi jumped over him. The way it should have ended is Obi used the force and make his light saber shoot silently forward, ignite at the last second and stab Maul in the back, then used the force to pull it sideways and slice Maul in two.
In case you don't want to watch 3 minutes of video, Darth Maul in one version of the duel grabs Obi-Wan by the throat and throws him into the pit instead of Force pushing him.
I think George made a good decision here. Just my opinion, but the savage throw is “so uncivilized.” By this I mean they Darth Maul was extremely proud of how advanced he was in the Force, how he touted to himself that not many could Master the double-bladed sabre. So for him to resort to such a brutal (but apparently effective) combat technique instead of a force push, I’m not that was in his mental toolset as he likely saw it as crude. This is the difference between him and Vader, who is ok with crude if it gets the job done.
One lingering question I've always had: How did the actors not sweat so much while wearing the thick and heavy costumes? Did they keep the sound stages at 32°F?
I always thought that the way Obi-Wan beat Maul was incredibly silly and unrealistic. You have a guy in Maul that is fast enough and talented enough to duel 2 Jedi at the same time, yet somehow wasn't fast enough to react to a guy below him jumping all the way over him, landing behind him and slicing him in half. There's just no way in hell that should have happened.
Yeah this is just glowstick twirling. What made the fights in the originals so great wasn't constant ninja flips, it was the emotional context--it was Obi-Wan and Vader's history in A New Hope; it was Vader gently (by his standards, anuway) testing his son in a controlled sparring session in Empire; it was Luke coming completely unhinged with rage at Vader in Jedi. Take all that away, and lightsaber duels are just stunt men twirling glowsticks.
Hey, I love seeing all the obscure stuff you find. Great job! Something I'd love to see is the Darth Maul/Obi-Wan fight at actual speed. There was an interview recently in which Ewan said the film crew overcranked the camera to slow down the fight, because Park and McGregor had been practising so much they were moving so fast that nobody thought the audience would believe it was real. It would be great to find out how much the fight was slowed down, and then return it to its true-to-life speed!
He doesn’t find it, he takes it from Nick Gillards, RUclips channel, and when asked to credit him he goes on to call him an old man who should just live the rest of his short life of the internet. He also said much nastier stuff
The fight was to quick, and cutting back to the gungan battle and space battle was so distracting and boring. I just wanted to see the Jedis fight Maul..
If I can be brutally honest on this one, even though I have enjoyed your videos very much this one just didn't work right, mostly because you gave us barely any actual video, or information and it is largely overshadowed by what seems like shameless self promoting, although there's nothing wrong with making money from RUclips (or what have you) it seems to me like this video lacked integrity, I'd be a lier if I said I wasn't just a little disappointed, youtube already comes with money hungry commercials as is, mentioning your lightsabers what seemed like 2-3 times mid stream should be embarrassing.
That throw and badass scenes like Mace Windu in clone wars punching the droids are needed... when the fighters are letting loose to show a glimpse of what can happen when you fully unleash and embrace the force. Whether Dark or light.
they made darth maul.... darth maul- lite ..... and continued to cut his abilities thru all this character has been exposed to. the character is very strong and intelligent,
@miltonkiller707 yeah agreed. I think that Qui Gon was shook after that surprise attack in the desert. Not a dark side user, but a sith lords power, not seen in a thousand years, just came at him.
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The force push was better and more Jedi-like than the overhead throw, which would have looked foolish in the middle of a duel. They got it right in the movie, I think.
I actually kind of like the idea of Maul grabbing Obi-Wan and judo-throwing him. He's a master of Teras Kasai, and we know that Maul prefers to NOT rely on the Force to win his duels. I remember reading somewhere that Maul is fully capable of using Force Lightning, but actively chooses NOT to, since he sees it as a coward's tactic.
I always thought of Darth Maul as a savage beast with his fighting prowess along with his saber skills. So having that deleted scene would've been great to me. Not to say the scene that ended up in the final cut was bad by any stretch of the imagination, but yeah. Granted, Obi-Wan is my favorite character in the prequel trilogy, seeing Maul in action was pretty cool.
obi wan isnt really in his prime yet...just starting to emerge into the obi wan we know (hello there) ...i would say the only one in their prime in this fight was quigon....even darth maul was just starting to emerge as well......but yes best duel maybe ever in star wars
Good point. Would have cemented Anakin's legend a bit more as the one who defeated Darth Maul, but then again, this whole rule of two thing was disingenuous to begin with. Why wouldn't original force users band together as an organization to combat the Jedi rebellion?
Killing off Darth Maul in the first film in such a cartoonish manner destroyed the prequels. The series should have started with Anakin at the AOTC age with Maul, Ventress, Grievous and Dooku as the main threats until the third film with a Palpatine reveal. Then the rule of two can start with Sidious and Vader.
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I always thought the point of Maul force shoving Obi Wan was to demonstrate how Obi Wan's anger had made him vulnerable. He leaves himself open to one of the most basic force powers because he is fighting recklessly. That being said, the pro wrestling-style throw is pretty awesome.
Never thought of it that way but that makes sense
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Yeah plus Maul was more of a fast and agile fighter rather than a particularly strong one, this doesn't really fit with that image of him
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I think that was the intention. Maul goads obiwan in the Clone Wars show, and we see Obiwan sink into his anger as he fights Maul. And Maul takes advantage of this during the fight
Yeah, I thought the same thing. His anger got the better of him and he made a rookie mistake.
I always loved how Qui-Gon meditated amidst of the battle. It's so badass in a way.
Yea and end up dying.🤣🤣🤣
He was preparing to become one with the Force and become a Force Ghost
Maul was also meditating in his own way. Qui-Gon was attuned to the Force, letting it guide him and granting him focus by creating a moment of calm and peace. Maul on the other hand was pumping himself up, steeped in rage, hate and adrenaline. Obi-Wan on the other hand just stood there, waiting for the doors to open. Qui-Gon and Maul were just in a different league.
Yes, he beat Maul, but Maul was easily the more capable fighter and only lost due to his hubris and borderline reckless gloating over Obi-Wan.
@@Corristo89Well said 👏
It is the best depiction of the difference between the light and dark sides. Controlling your feelings Vs letting your emotions flow.
Ewan Mcgregor really should have been in more action movies . After seeing how much he put into doing his own stunts he is amazing in Action! I wish I could have seen him in more movies like Star Wars and the Island
Definitely needs more credit
It’s not really an action movie, but you should watch “Impossible” with Ewan Mcgregor. It’s a very emotional movie & he does a fantastic job in it
He's in black hawk down too
@@steveducey8748 Was about to say that. Good ole Grimesey.
They should kept Darth maul for the whole prequel trilogy he kicked ass
Absolutely
True. At least keep him as a reference… I don’t recall any movies outside of Phantom Menace mentioning him or giving him any credit until cartoons came out
watch the clone wars
@@alessandroviva1652 I could never get into that show. I liked the original series of the same name that it replaced, but once they brought out the CGI and started having more dialogue, the whole thing became to childish. You would think the short episodes with more emphasis on action sequences would have been more childish, but that one actually felt far more mature by comparison. I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the Clone Wars, but I just had to say this. Also, Darth Maul's death in that series felt really lame, and only made it so that he could never be used again in future movies.
@@wr7662 clone wars has some of the most explicit themes in a star wars show rated for kids. Most episodes wouldn't pass on Cartoon network today not to mention all of the political scenes that kids don't understand. If thats you're only reason for not watching it Id recommend giving it another try. By the end of season 3 you'll realize some of the arcs get extremely dark. Just look up the Umbara arc for example.
Edit: Darth maul dies in Rebels not the clone wars. He is in 5 seasons of the clone wars as a major antagonist. His death probably felt lame because you saw nothing leading up to it.
The video was fine, but the title was clickbait.
not deleted footage, basically an ad, and a quick behind the scenes shot at the end. cmon guys!
The shot where Obi Wan jumps back as Maul lunges, then changes direction to go for Qui Gon is one of the best shots left out, and, alongside a shot from Epsiode III, where Kenobi is forced back on a platform, but taken from a panning angle, should have been in the final movie.
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The great thing about this fight is that it holds up so well after all these years and is better than most of the fights that came after. I like it better just the way it is with the force push by Maul.
I agree 💯
I love how they aimed hardcore for Phantom Menace fights. Ray Parks brought an intense presence, coupled with kickass boss music, flashy but good choreography, an unusual but powerful weapon, all culminated to make Darth Maul iconic.
Almost brings a tear to my eye getting to see old clips of Star Wars content being created by somebody who had actual passion for it and was in it to create a memorable story, instead of just “Money money money money 🐭🐭🐭🐭” Wish George would have never sold it.
Agree 1000%
I wish that too
Well blame the prequel fans for that!
If he didn’t get all that backlash he wouldn’t.
@@chriscage669 Well, probably Lucas was the most surprised by some of that backlash, but i don't think it was beacuse of that. He had a story to tell and he knew the risks but went ahead anyway because it was the story he wanted to tell. Also, he stated publicly that he had concluded that chapter of his life. Now, he could have ended right there and keep the franchise as sole creator, so why did he sell? I think he was pressured really hard to so
@@mateosimon4237 sad man
Really sad
Man it would have been so kick ass if he did choke slam him over like that
Right
But if maul made physical contact with Kenobi, it would raise the question of why Maul didn't just slice or stab him with the saber already in his other hand. I think this was why Lucas made the decision to use the force instead, because it required less time in the heat of battle than to purposely grab, hold and throw. Of course, fans always want what they can't have.
I got to meet Ray Park and ask him. How much more could they have done if they had the carbon fiber Lightsabers from episode 3? He said it didn't matter because most of their stunts ended up being cut anyway.
And I remember seeing a picture of Obi-Wan (stunt man). Running up a wall while Maul sliced at where his feet were. That wasn't in the movie.
Damn I’ve never seen that…. I gotta find it
@StarWarsAnalyst I can't find it anywhere. I still have most of the books, magazines and making of material from 99'. But I can't find that photo anywhere.
It's after the hanger before the plasma walkways. Ewan's stuntman is running up the wall into a back flip. Ray Park is slashing at the wall beneath him. There's a crash pad for him to land on. Nick Gillard, and I think Rick McCallum. Are standing in the background. I remember it clearly because I was looking for it in the movie.
Damn. I met Ray Park at a convention and I didn’t say anything to him because I was so star struck hahahaha
Most of the stunts were cut? So what about the stunts we did see? So there was several times more than that?
The way Maul takes out quigon in the full version is epic.
That’s what I want to see
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The fight was still a real blast.
Yes it was. But the way obi wan WON, not convincing.
I had Obi-Wan tied for my favorite character, but seeing Ewan go as hard as he did in choreography just solidified him as #1 for me. The man is the embodiment of what a traditional Jedi should be. While Luke, Cal Kestis, and Caleb Dume are perfect examples of what a Jedi could be.
As a child I used to watch this battle religiously and reenact it all day lol. And now I’m 24 and I still know the lightsaber sounds each swing is going to make and choreography for everyone, especially the duel between obi and maul lol. It’s like muscle memory. I watched all the deleted scenes and extra content too. Glad you made a video on this
The problem that I see with that last part is that if Maul had all the time to catch and launch Obi, he should just go for the kill at that second, on the other side using the force con be assumed more than a lucky hit when Maul was in some difficult
Or have it to where the force induced hip toss by mail gives him his window with obiwan just barely rolling out the way to fall into the side of the reactor.
Well even in the final cut Maul pretty clearly had Obi wan dead to rights and *should have killed him if not for plot armor
I mean hip throws arent exactly out of the realm of possibility in sword fighting
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I really hate when people use the word “plot armour” espeically when Obi Wan is *main character*! Like, I fail to see what happens if they actually did kill him off. Plot armour is just another buzz word for people who obsess with realism and get pissy over the slightest bit of impracticality.
@@ulfberht4431 You fail to see what happens? Obviously main characters MUST stay alive to sustain continuity. And it's annoying to watch knowing x character can't die while the dope unexplored villains are cannon fodder. That's all. It isn't a buzz word, it's literally just an adjective to describe the limitations of the story
I think that having Maul force push Kenobi down the shaft was a good choice. It makes sense -- Kenobi's un-Jedi-like rage being used against him, as if Maul were feeding off of it. But what really should have been done better, somehow, is Kenobi's final flip and cut. It has always seemed absurd to have Maul just stand there, as if paralyzed and unable to move, as Kenobi . . .
. . . (a) levitates up past him . . .
. . . (b) flips over him . . .
. . . (c) lands, and then . . .
. . . (d) slices him.
That's a long sequence of movements during each of which Maul should have sliced at Kenobi: during Kenobi's levitate-upward movement, during Kenobi's flip-over movement, during Kenobi's landing movement, and during Kenobi's slicing strike. Four distinct movements! And Maul, the ever-so-quick Maul, suddenly stands there as if he were immobilized? Why? It has never made any sense.
Too true! And the bit where Maul falls onto the lower walkway. In judo, the roll is the first thing you learn. I'd have flicked the blades off, rolled with the hilts diagonal against my body (he landed the perfect way for this) - and been up and ready for when Qui Gon jumped down. Instead, Ray Parks has to lie there rolling about like a beetle on its back - while Liam Neeson has to stand beside him like a moron for whole seconds rather than skewer his enemy. I bet Ray's irritation was real. Never let it be said that the man doesn't have patience in his art.
You aren't taking into consideration the psychology of the Sith. The Sith are aligned with the worst parts of us, meaning that in this moment Maul is basking in the pleasure of gloating while he stares at the defeated Obi-Wan desperately hanging on. In this moment, Maul thinks he has already won, the fight is over, and now he is toying with the object of his hatred, this pathetic defeated Jedi. What is Maul thinking in this moment? "I've just killed your master and now I'm grinning down as I watch your final moments and the hope drain from your eyes as you lose strength and fall to your death." Things like this. In a moment like this when one is so full of himself and consumed by pride, the last thing one would expect is that the tables are about to turn. In this moment when Maul is gloating, the disabling effect of disbelief is enough to prevent him to react. The Dark Side destroys itself, Maul's arrogance and pride is what allows Obi to turn the tides in this moment. Also, you should consider that it looks slow because that is how it had to be due to human limitations of filming a scene like this. In the actual Star Wars universe, I assume it would have been much faster and it just looks clunky on screen.
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Practical pov : I guess the sole montage of the scene slows it down for us, otherwise it would have been unreadable for our mere eyes.
Lore pov : Maul is too prideful and taunting Obi-Wan which he clearly just defeated. He just can't wait to see him fall to his death. That's precisely what gives Obi-Wan the final upper hand.
@@DrumFuckerFr yeah, i was thinking about it being 'slow-mo' due to restrictions of technology and stuff, it really does look slow to my eye after watching the movie for the first time in decades lol
Qui-Gon really really hates rewatching this content after seeing others survive being stabbed by a lightsaber. 😂
Lightsaber wound is nothing now.
It's just a shame bacta wasn't invented for about another 30 minutes after he died.
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I would say that we saw pre-prime Obi-Wan in The Phantom Menace and also in The Attack of the Clones. To me, orime Kenobi was during the actual Clone Wars in the animated series and also in Revenge of the Sith.
Interesting.
As time passes, the cultural value of Prequels only increases.
Yes, it saddens me they werent appreciated in their time
@@leoistari they were being compared to what came before, and i think that's natural. the original were unreachable because not only were the films amazing but this same "cultural value of Prequels only increases" thing was in full swing for them as it had been 30 years after they came out that ep.1 came out. so the originals had all the nostalgia momentum going mad too. people were like, "FINALLY more of the originals!!!!" and i think we all know how far the prequals were from being that
The post production effect that were used in the lightsabers looks so much better than those glowing sticks that they use now on the disney+ shows.
True. The new stuff is sorely lacking when it comes to continuity of details like that.
First thing I want to say is I'm a child of the 70's. I grew up with the original series of 4, 5 and 6. I absolutely LOVED the prequels. Not after 15 years of 'growing on me' like most original series fan boys. But immediately! I thought they were better movies. And the reason being was the light saber duels! They were so powerfully choreographed. I immediately fell in love with the fury of the Sith Lords and their abilities. I respect the prequels adherence to Yoda's words that a Sith gains power faster, meaning of course, a Master Jedi would have serious issues with a Sith apprentice. Then, they stuck to it by having Maul defeat Qui Gon as soon as he had him one on one. Obi Wan's 'beast mode' lasted all of 10 seconds and then Maul beat him as well. What always bothered me was how Obi turned the tables...OK, Obi Wan had to live, otherwise there is no plot but....Watching him levitate into a 60 foot air kicked jump?? and then summersault over Mauls head? When did Human Cannonball become a Jedi power??? He had nothing to kick off on except air! LOLOLOL
Well, he pulled with his arms, but yeah that sequence is just so slow and unbelievable that Maul just stands there and says, "Huh?" while Obi-Wan slices through him.
@@Sindraug25 It would have been better if Obi wan cuts Maul when he is going up, instead of having Maul just wait there.
I will always say ray parks role in this was so severely underrepresented since he had to do most of the attacking and simultaneously blocking, legendary
Except for the Vader Hallway Scene, that one deleted Darth Maul shot is better than the entirety of Disney's Star Wars efforts.
If he did that, he could've just as easily sliced him up instead of tossing him. I was hoping for a better Obi Wan winning ending - because Darth Maul just watching Obi Wan jump over him grab a light saber, turn it on, and cut him while doing nothing was pretty lame. Plot armor too strong.
Exactly! I have always felt this way and was also hoping for a better ending here. Maul is fast enough and talented enough to duel 2 Jedi at the same time, but isn't fast enough to stop a guy that's below him from jumping all the way over him and slicing him in half? Come on!
Towards the beginning of that fight scene, Obi-wan does a distraction pump-fake at Maul while Qui-Gon strikes. Little bits like that show all the thought and effort that was put into the fight choreography; that one move revealed that this master and apprentice had been in many battles together and were a very experienced fighting team. Still my favorite lightsaber battle of the entire franchise.
Yeah, this wasn't the first time an excellent fight was passed for a more inferior one. Look at the original Palpatine vs Windu fight.
My favorite moment will always be when Obi-Wan does a flip over Maul and Maul strikes at him and Obi-Wan blocks the strike in mid flip. That was badass!! I know a lot people hate TPM but say what you want, that fight is hands down the coolest lightsaber fight in all of Sar wars!!
I like to think Qui Gon meditaded because he was preparing to become a force ghost
Yes, I think he knew he was about to die, he knew they were facing something beyond their abilities
If they dedicated the same amount of time as they did in the prequels the sequels would have been slightly better instead of a bunch of children waving sticks around..
If they had dedicated any time at all to the prequels’ scripts and dialogue, they probably wouldn’t have sucked so hard.
@@CoolHandLuke813bro, they all sucked. The sequels are not even entertaining in the least, however.
@CoolHandLuke813 I have to be honestly, I HATED the prequels when they launched, I mean absolutely disgusted, BUT over the years they have grown on me. I still don't appreciate the over used cgi or some of the corneier dialog, but they aren't as bad as I fear they were at first, not even near as bad.
The story is there, parts rushed way to much, and felt like they didn't make as much sense. With the clone wars and novels to fill the gaps I have forgiven and found a place for them.
I really wish they had made it a six movie span, adding the clone wars a bit more, building anakin more , making him a general, showing the battles, so his anger at not getting rank of master made more sense , edging him to his turn. Rather then him just saying okay my wife might die jedi are evil and I'll kill kids and turn on Obi-Wan. That was my main issue , they didn't build him to that point, didn't build him to be the general, or jedi who deserved the rank master, or a seat on the council, or why the jedi wouldn't trust him after he had done so much , leaving out his long relationship with Palpatine or even padme. It felt rushed.
The first are still good though, mostly because the duels. They weren't as bad as I felt they were then, buy they could have been more if just made slower and with more movies building and building until revenge of the sith. Still clone wars filled those gaps pretty good.
The sequels have no redemption . That trash , what they did to Luke and Han for no reason. The fast Rey did what no one else could that fast , no training , and how she did it, I perfer to pretend they weren't made at ALL.
I am getting old and I would have been happy with the original being left alone as well. Still I dint hate the prequel anymore lol
I don’t think it should’ve been deleted, it would’ve been a lot cooler.
In vid promo was longer than the portion about the deleted footage.
Phantom Menace would've been a different movie if Maul was given more screentime and Jar Jar was amputated from the film.
And Maul's top half shouts as he falls: " BUT I HAD THE HIGH GROOUUUUUNNN...!!! "
I always hear Ewan Mcgregor talk about lightsabers like he doesn’t really remember how to duel or swing a lightsaber. Make no mistake him and Hayden are LIKE THAT.
There's merit to both endings of the fight. Maul being overpowering is a great testament to the danger Obi-Wan is in, but we already knew Maul was formidable. Couldn't hurt (except Obi-Wan) if we got to see him beat Obi-Wan some more before this.
As @Salsmachev said in another comment, the Force Push shows how Obi-Wan is so off-balance that he gets floored by one of the easier tricks in the book, he left himself vulnerable in his rage, and it nearly cost him his life. I think this is the better choice for that reason. The throw simply doesn't demonstrate anything we didn't already know, but the push shows Obi-Wan's state of mind and how dangerous it can be to let your guard down.
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That right there fighting Ray Parks in rehearsals is the Andreas Petrides, Ewan McGregor stunt double that guys absolutely amazing hall of fame stuntman, and I’ve had the pleasure of being trained by him 🔥🔥
Ahhh the good days, when star wars didnt suck. (Pre Disney)
Not implementing that horizontal dodge spin at 1:42 was criminal.
Oh most definitely this scene should have not been deleted! Darth Maul should've won that battle or at least escaped w/o being chopped in half!
Nah, Maul using Force Push is the ONLY time he actually uses a force power...
So yeah him tossing Ben would have been cool, but we would lose variety.
Remember though he picks up and throws some metal junk to open a door in the hanger
Quigon right after becoming a force goody and seeing obiwan go beast mode against maul: where the fk was that five minutes ago????
At 1:29 I can tell from the lightsaber sounds what fight that’s from. Luke vs Vader from empire. That’s so unhealthy
The thing that has bothered me since 1999 is that when Maul Force pushes Kenobi, in the closeup it’s Maul’s right hand but then it immediately cuts to a wide shot and he’s holding his left hand up! Makes me insane every time.
I never noticed this
@@StarWarsAnalyst you’ll never not notice it now. I noticed it on opening night!!! I’m kinda OCD and the Star Wars films are chock full of that kind of stuff. I love the movies dearly but they also drive me insane at times!
Or the fact that in most blows they aren’t even trying to hit their opponent. They aim for the saber.
Never noticed that!
at 2:39 in the above video it is close up of Maul's left hand for the force push and wide shot of his left hand up. Always left hand.
Maul’s fighting style and spirit has always facilitated me because his were one of the most realistic out of all the Star Wars characters.
Until they ruined it by turning his speed waaaaay down to allow Obi-Wan to jump all the way over him and slice him in half. He's fast enough to duel 2 Jedi at the same time, but not fast enough to stop Kenobi from doing that? Yeah right.
For me, Ian Mcdiarmid is BY FAR the best actor for the entire prequel trilogy ...truly outstanding work. Classicsl actors like him and Patrick Stewart (Picard) tend to be top tier actors!
This is about the only SW content i can watch now with open admiration.
The time effort and work put into these scenes (and the clean-up of the video) is timeless.
I'd really like a few longer cuts of the scenes if they are available.
I have the full uncut footage available for members
ruclips.net/video/rm_9VysCQRY/видео.htmlsi=oi_0C6H_vUov_tLD
Talk this video was to lead up to a flip? Damn wow.
I'm not sure if anyone else ever noticed this, but the Darh Maul/Obi Wan fight is the first time 'force-push' was ever shown onscreen. As a kid who grew up with the original trilogy, I'd always wondered why Luke/Vader never used force push in their duels... and I even though perhaps it wasn't possible to use the force against living beings.
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That's it!?. I waited thru the video for a hip toss?? 🙄
Saber fights then vs now is comical
The Phantom Menace would’ve been a whole lot better movie had they had more scenes fighting with Darth Maul
The end scene where Obi kills Maul was utterly stupid and could never have happened.
Maul would never have sat there like a deer in the headlights holding a light saber while an unarmed Obi jumped over him.
The way it should have ended is Obi used the force and make his light saber shoot silently forward, ignite at the last second and stab Maul in the back, then used the force to pull it sideways and slice Maul in two.
In case you don't want to watch 3 minutes of video, Darth Maul in one version of the duel grabs Obi-Wan by the throat and throws him into the pit instead of Force pushing him.
I’ve never understood why they deleted so many scenes from the fight
Timing, editing the movie for viewing. Then you would have like 3-4hr films.
I think George made a good decision here. Just my opinion, but the savage throw is “so uncivilized.” By this I mean they Darth Maul was extremely proud of how advanced he was in the Force, how he touted to himself that not many could
Master the double-bladed sabre. So for him to resort to such a brutal (but apparently effective) combat technique instead of a force push, I’m not that was in his mental toolset as he likely saw it as crude. This is the difference between him and Vader, who is ok with crude if it gets the job done.
You lost me the second you started advertising light sabers.
One lingering question I've always had: How did the actors not sweat so much while wearing the thick and heavy costumes? Did they keep the sound stages at 32°F?
I always thought that the way Obi-Wan beat Maul was incredibly silly and unrealistic. You have a guy in Maul that is fast enough and talented enough to duel 2 Jedi at the same time, yet somehow wasn't fast enough to react to a guy below him jumping all the way over him, landing behind him and slicing him in half. There's just no way in hell that should have happened.
That's a pretty good alternate ending but I think the Force Push was better.
Yeah this is just glowstick twirling. What made the fights in the originals so great wasn't constant ninja flips, it was the emotional context--it was Obi-Wan and Vader's history in A New Hope; it was Vader gently (by his standards, anuway) testing his son in a controlled sparring session in Empire; it was Luke coming completely unhinged with rage at Vader in Jedi.
Take all that away, and lightsaber duels are just stunt men twirling glowsticks.
Hey, I love seeing all the obscure stuff you find. Great job! Something I'd love to see is the Darth Maul/Obi-Wan fight at actual speed. There was an interview recently in which Ewan said the film crew overcranked the camera to slow down the fight, because Park and McGregor had been practising so much they were moving so fast that nobody thought the audience would believe it was real. It would be great to find out how much the fight was slowed down, and then return it to its true-to-life speed!
Agreed
He doesn’t find it, he takes it from Nick Gillards, RUclips channel, and when asked to credit him he goes on to call him an old man who should just live the rest of his short life of the internet. He also said much nastier stuff
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. I'll ignore this channel in future if that prices true and go over to nick Gillard's instead...
The fight was to quick, and cutting back to the gungan battle and space battle was so distracting and boring. I just wanted to see the Jedis fight Maul..
Bro really put a sponsorship ad in a 3 min vid 🤡
Yep
Darth Maul was so cool!
EPIC Darth Maul duel with Obi Wan and Qui Gon, neck-n-neck with my favorite between Emperor Palpatine and Yoda!
If I can be brutally honest on this one, even though I have enjoyed your videos very much this one just didn't work right, mostly because you gave us barely any actual video, or information and it is largely overshadowed by what seems like shameless self promoting, although there's nothing wrong with making money from RUclips (or what have you) it seems to me like this video lacked integrity, I'd be a lier if I said I wasn't just a little disappointed, youtube already comes with money hungry commercials as is, mentioning your lightsabers what seemed like 2-3 times mid stream should be embarrassing.
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Literally, word for word, what i was thinking 👍
My first time seeing this channel, and unfortunately, my last.
My mum loves Darth Maul mostly because of his gymnastics and flips and stuff she only likes him
She isn’t bothers about starwars though
Take note Filoni , this is how REAL Jedi fight. That slow , lame boring fight scenes in Ahsoka makes me cringe
I definitely wouldn't say it's better. But it does kickass!
Shoulda kept the OG yeet and not deleted it. Way cooler than a force shove.
I don’t think a Jedi has ever won a duel that didn’t experience anger as motivator haha
That throw and badass scenes like Mace Windu in clone wars punching the droids are needed... when the fighters are letting loose to show a glimpse of what can happen when you fully unleash and embrace the force. Whether Dark or light.
George Lucas sounded like a defeated worn down beaten Kermit the Frog.😅
The Phantom Menace was a deeply flawed film...But it still had about the best lightsaber fight ever in it.
You took that long just to say maul grabs obi wan and flips him over.
I wasn’t going to show the end of the footage before the beginning
they made darth maul.... darth maul- lite ..... and continued to cut his abilities thru all this character has been exposed to. the character is very strong and intelligent,
It was kind of rude having 2 on 1. It seemed a little unfair, but then again it suggests Maul was stronger than them both.
@miltonkiller707 yeah agreed. I think that Qui Gon was shook after that surprise attack in the desert. Not a dark side user, but a sith lords power, not seen in a thousand years, just came at him.
Being Darth Sidious apprentice is the most dangerous job in the galaxy. Being Darth Sidious Master is very dangerous.
This wasn’t even close to Obiwans prime. He was just a padawan, what are you talking about?
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I can't help noticing that, in several light sabre duels, obvious tactical openings are often missed by the combatants.
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Obi-Wan in his prime? He was still a Padawan in Phantom menace, definitely not Prime
Damn this is too clean!!!
The force push was better and more Jedi-like than the overhead throw, which would have looked foolish in the middle of a duel. They got it right in the movie, I think.
Darth Maul is a powerhouse , Obi was no match for him at any point and in either version.
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I actually kind of like the idea of Maul grabbing Obi-Wan and judo-throwing him. He's a master of Teras Kasai, and we know that Maul prefers to NOT rely on the Force to win his duels. I remember reading somewhere that Maul is fully capable of using Force Lightning, but actively chooses NOT to, since he sees it as a coward's tactic.
I always thought of Darth Maul as a savage beast with his fighting prowess along with his saber skills. So having that deleted scene would've been great to me. Not to say the scene that ended up in the final cut was bad by any stretch of the imagination, but yeah. Granted, Obi-Wan is my favorite character in the prequel trilogy, seeing Maul in action was pretty cool.
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obi wan isnt really in his prime yet...just starting to emerge into the obi wan we know (hello there) ...i would say the only one in their prime in this fight was quigon....even darth maul was just starting to emerge as well......but yes best duel maybe ever in star wars
Around the 2 min mark, is that guy called Thomas?
Watching Ray Parks Darth Maul fight Count Dooku would be the most beautiful thing ever
It looks cool but dude they aren’t even trying to hit each other they aim for the other guys saber.
Biggest mistake was killing off Darth Maul. Imagine him and Anakin fighting for the right to be beside the Emperor.
Good point. Would have cemented Anakin's legend a bit more as the one who defeated Darth Maul, but then again, this whole rule of two thing was disingenuous to begin with. Why wouldn't original force users band together as an organization to combat the Jedi rebellion?
Killing off Darth Maul in the first film in such a cartoonish manner destroyed the prequels. The series should have started with Anakin at the AOTC age with Maul, Ventress, Grievous and Dooku as the main threats until the third film with a Palpatine reveal. Then the rule of two can start with Sidious and Vader.