Quick update disregard a lot of our speculation about Portable/FES stuff. An interview just dropped where they confirmed this is a remake of P3 and doesn't include content from those other releases. This most notably includes the possible loss of the Elizabeth dates, which is a grave loss for our society. www.ign.com/articles/persona-3-reload-wont-include-content-from-fes-or-portable-including-the-female-protagonist
Thanks for putting up with all my "likes" guys 😅 Was so much fun chatting with ya Fither! Thanks for having me again! p.s. I don't think I was great at conveying, I think male MC's personality fits more with the Greek tragedy thematic (tragic flaw as a characteristic especially). I also think the lesson of learning to value other people, memories, and ultimately life, is a little less impactful in FemC route, just she's already so personable and people-oriented, it feels like she already "knew" that lesson vs. Male-protag having to learn it over the course of the game. Just a bit more of my thoughts regarding that~
i think the people who _weren't_ asking for the remake will probably be more satisfied with p3re than the people who _did_ ask. today i found out that a lot of people aren't happy with the exclusion of femc and the answer because they sort of expected it from the get go. meanwhile i was just impressed with how much work they went through to recreate the original game experience and am looking forward to it. a complete 180 turn.
That's essentially been my experience for the last three years or so, ever since Royal came out. If I ever was browsing on the internet and I saw people discussing what kind of features a P3 remake would have, like modern graphics, revamped SL content, and obviously the inclusion of FeMC, with them also saying Atlus _had_ to give a hint of a remake at some point, I just thought to myself "Huh, yeah, that would be cool," then moved onto something else. Now that the remake is officially confirmed, I'm excited to the heavens! It helps that whilst I really like P3 and joined in other fans in desiring for Atlus to remake it, I never actively devoted energy into developing a tightly defined idealism for what the game should actually be like. So whilst I might sympathize somewhat with the frustrations of the more... _vocally displeased_ fans about the news on FeMC and The Answer, I haven't experienced any major negative emotions like what so many others appear to be feeling.
My summary is I'm okay with the last of FES/Portable content because what I wanted in a P3 remake wasn't a "definitive version", it was a version of Persona 3 with modern Social Link QOL, one I'd be able to recommend to my friends without also recommending they stick to a very restrictive guide so as not to Reverse half the cast.
honestly I feel that way also, I had similar doubts with fither of the realistic aspect of getting this p3 remake to have everything AND have it updated in line with P5 which could take a very long time I for one would of just would have liked FES remaster with p3p stuff thrown in and call it a day which would do it's job I guess. when I get it I will probably treat it as it's own entity like the resident evil remakes rather than a updated definitive model of P3. the new Voice cast leaves me intrigued and how they would compare to the JP and the original voices also add this is made post P5 and if the people localisaing this is the same as P5 things may be different in some of the areas
I’m 100% in the “p3 holds up well and doesn’t need a remake, but I’m happy we’re getting one” camp. People need to chill about the Fes and p3p content. Unlike the other games imo, vanilla p3 always felt like a complete experience.
The thing about chidori in Arena is that the scene where she's "alive" is literally a dream junpei has it's the introduction to his story where he falls asleep on the train and ends up in inaba.
I really agree with Virgilias takes about liking the tactics system and tartarus, I liked how separate and individual the party members felt cause you could even split up the group and they fought battles by themselves
Another W discussion video. I really enjoy LadyVirgilia's analytical videos. Props to have someone else who deals with chronic illness in the community.
I think the only reason is because people see “hora” and immediately think Spanish (it’s me, I’m people). Seeing the rest of the text makes it clear that it’s Latin
I don't know if this was acknowledged, but I think it's already shown that you can directly control the partners. In the trailer, you can see options to select Yukari's turn in combat. Also it's now "one button per menu" like in P5.
I kind of regret playing FeMC's route first now lol. My thought process was that if any version of P3 got ported or remade it would be FES, so while I only had access to Portable I was gonna play FeMC. Then Portable got ported and... I was so attached to her story that I did her route again lol. Now the remake only has Makoto, and it feels odd to me (even though I'm ultimately happy it's being made). I get that Makoto's route is the original experience, and probably the most fitting, but FeMC and all the things unique to her route are so integral to P3 as *_I_* experienced it. Even if Portable has some odd or objectively bad changes, I still got so much out of my experience with it that it ended up as my 4th favorite game of all time. Would I have had an even better time if I'd started with FES? I guess I have no way of knowing.
It's a huge shame about the lack of content that portable and FES offer but as someone who can't really get into portable, I'm pretty hyped about it and at least we still get full party control. that new fantasy one ATLUS is doing looks good too
Hoping we get the choice of either romance or platonic friendship. I don’t like the forced romance route to max a female social link. As for the FeMC, I resonated with her so much in my first play through, even though I’m more introverted like Makoto. If she is added as dlc, fine have my money Atlus! Also her exclusive social links are some of my favorites.
I’m curious if they make physical just one element(keep in mind “if”). Then will they retroactively implement Psychokinesis and Nuclear. If so how far are they going to go with that? Because in PQ2 if I’m recalling correctly Ken had Psychokinesis and Aigis had Nuclear. Would that also mean the persona’s we currently have get move set updates and elemental affinity updates? It’s kinda just a big question mark with the battle system I think. Like how much are they going to update that and far do they wanna go with it?
Judging by the screenshots we have, it looks like they’re keeping the split Physical. When Yukari has a cursor over the enemy, it shows bullet holes (suggesting pierce) and when MC does it, it shows a slash icon
If they retroactively gave us Psy and Nuke from 5 that be a cool way to change the party members a little bit of give new life and new strategy and even bosses, it also be cool if they added something like Royals Persona traits which could also add some form of new strategy like say Aigis has a small chance to nullify any magic attack against the party like she did in Q2 or something and Junpei/Chidori’s Spring of Life is basically the prototype version of a Persona Trait.
I actually got into persona in February this year so I’m very lucky we are getting this remake because ever since I heard the rumors I wanted it so bad cuz I didn’t want to buy persona 5
I am a little sad that persona 1 and 2 duology, as those need that remake more than persona 3. I mean persona 1 and 2 don't have a press turn system. Also it is really hard to play persona 2 duology without pirating However I still like how persona 3 is getting remade as it was my first introduction to megami tensei.
I’m willing to bet persona 2 will get a remake down the line if p3 reload is successful and also p2 was the 2nd most voted people wanted remade in the recent remake poll atlus did.
you don't get why 3 really needs a remake, it's because there are two different versions of the game that offer vastly different experiences with different content that you can't find in the other game. However, Atlus confirmed that there's no content from FES or Portable and by result the remake is actually useless.
I’m one of those people who got into Persona/SMT via Persona 5. My only previous experience with Persona 3 was the OVAs. So a game that basically has that storyline & Persona 5’s gameplay is essentially what I’m expecting. So I guess it will be interesting to see the responses from people who played the original in 2006. When I saw the trailer, I felt like I could pretty easily imagine what the game would be like.
Ehhhhh no, the animes are what you call an OVA, in case you didn't know an OVA is movie/series that's released on on DVDs, the Persona 3 animes did air in cinemas so they're not OVAs.
I'm kinda in the middle. Ideally I would have a definitive edition of P3 with FES and Portable content. I really like FeMC, male party SLs, The Answer, etc. I woulda liked to see her in this style. But ultimately, like you said life moves on. I read interviews with the people making the game, and I respect what they're going for here. I'm impressed with their dedication to getting the core P3 experience right with better quality of life gameplay. Plus I'm keeping an open mind. I'm interested in what additional content they'll bring to the table.
My ideal resolution to all that Elizabeth stuff weould just be some fan wank spin-off that ends with all the p3-6 casts killing Erebus for good or something and letting the P3 mc “fully” pass on Seems like it could be a decent way to follow up on that stuff while also not totally ruining P3’s ending
Honestly I feel like the biggest thing most people overlook when complaining about not having all of the ‘things’ is that just because this is a remake doesn’t mean they can just copy/paste content in from the other versions. Everything is getting remade which costs time and money. If they blow crazy money on doing everything that increases the number of copies they need to sell. And if they don’t sell enough say goodbye to a bunch of future remakes.
Good. If they can't make competent remakes, then the shouldn't bother at all. Persona 3 is "capitalist focus group justification: The Game" which is an explicit downgrade and not worth the effort at all.
Also, let’s be real, I’d kinda rather they get the game out in 2024 and move onto Persona 6 rather than push it back a year or two just to include FeMC or The Answer
Since they always add OSTs from other games we'll probably get Portable music but there's a chance they do it like Persona 5 and lock them behind DLCs.
@@thegamerfe8751 It would legit be sad to not have femc and lock her music behind DLC. Although if femc route and her music are behind dlc than its less bad
I'm also in the camp that says persona 3 didn't NEED a remake, but that's kind of a useless distinction to me, because technically speaking no one game NEEDS to be made. We make games, we play games, we buy games, we ask for games because we WANT them, not need them. I was personally holding out hope for a p3 remake simply because I _wanted_ it (not needed it) since it's the perfect excuse to replay it (I spend way too many hours on games I haven't played before, so it's hard to find the time and motivation to replay stuff). This focus on 'need' over 'want' is kinda emblematic of how people these days are way too focused on what's objective, when in reality most things pertaining to media are largely subjective. Saying p3 NEEDS this feature to be this way, and it MUST include this and that, etc, I think it's all a way of trying to validate your own subjective opinion on what p3 should be as fact. Apologies for being a bummer, bird app will be bird app. Still very excited about the game. If it ends up being disappointing, we all still have the originals to go back to. If it's good, then that's just dandy.
I am also in the camp too but not for the same reason, I don't think P3 needed to go all the way and update it's format to P5 all I thought it needed was just a version that had everything in a single package of FES and P3P which would probably take as much effort as doing P4G and using FES as the basis.
As someone ego actually hasn’t played any version of Persona 3 (but I did watch the anime). This video pointed out part of what kept me away from the game. There really isn’t a definitive version. It also has availability problems. Unless I’m mistaken, Portable is the only version on Steam. If just vanilla Persona 3 was downloadable on PlayStation 4 in 2018, it would have been a pretty easy purchase. But now I’ll get this one
In my opinion, the last thing Persona 3 Reload needs is to follow that mentality of "This game must have everything in order to be the definitive version.". Instead I think they should keep the better aspects while staying true to the message the story has about death, since P3 is such a theme driven story. I really hope none of the character resurrection options make it into the remake.
I agree with the sentiment that Ai party members were legitimately fine and worked well when you just USE THE TACTICS MENU. The trailers made clear that they're unfortunately implementing full party control, and I'm sad about it since it was absolutely part of the OG experience, but I'm still going to set my party to Ai controls for my entire P3Re experience as well unless they changed the combat in a way that makes it impossible or too much of an impracticality.
So if this is a remake of Persona 3 in the modern era, I wonder if they will keep the automatic awakenings, I’m pretty sure they will cus they are a pretty big part of the story.
If they did have femc. I think it be a cool idea to have her as a new game plus. Or if anything a dlc so that way you can just say she is in the remake, lets get on with our lives.
Am I one of the only ones who didn't mind gameplay of The Answer? All dungeons and no Social Links? I enjoyed it, actually. The dungeons were decent and the bosses were a bit more involved and strategic than the Tartarus ones.
I can see them releasing dlc or a new version for femc. If this sells well and Atlus assumes 50% of they player base will buy it, they’ll be more entice to make it. The do love releasing games with add ons. I’ll be shock but happen if they just added it as dlc. I get not wanting to support it cause it isn’t the definitive version you want but this looks more than just a P5 reskin and looks like quite a bit was build from the ground up. So I don’t know think going balls out was in the budget. P5 made a lot of money for sure but they make other games at the same time usually and you have to distribute budget.
34:08 I saw an interesting take online and someone said that FeMC kinda ruins the protagonist's arc of Persona 3 bc FeMC at the start already views life in a positive/celebratory light which dulls any development into that mindset that Makoto gains throughout the story. Meanwhile (imo) bc Makoto goes from an apathetic boy to a man who has something to fight for and cherishes life it makes every SEES interaction; every Social Link that much more carthartic bc u experience this slow change in real time every single in-game day on that calendar. Im deff with LadyVirgillia though: FeMC isnt bad at all. Her addition inversely drags down the game's theme a bit. Not to say her social links or unique responses ultimately mean nothing. just a unique take on Kotone Shiomi
i actually didnt think p3 needed a remake at all but im super hyped about this. i dont really fw the answer or the femc, the base game IS persona 3 to me. obviously i wouldn’t scoff at more substantial content being in the game and not having the answer available in any modern capacity is kind of a bummer but this remake looks to have everything i liked about the original game. tartarus (in terms of gameplay) looks unchanged which is fine by me as someone who liked the original game and changing tartarus was the one thing i feared the most lol. it would be cool if they added some stuff from p5r mementos tho, atlus sort of perfected the randomly generated dungeon with royal mementos. also, edit: i think that the answer takes a big poopy dump all over the story anyways so hopefully if they do decide to do an epilogue post-launch, they can do some revisionism there lol.
an Atlus west employee: so what we do with junpei's voice actor given the me too controversy? Another atlus employee: just change the voice actors of the entirety main cast.
@@weepingblade They should hire that VA (I cannot remember his name off top of my head) who voiced 9S in Nier Automata to voice the protagonist Makoto Yuki
@@unicorntomboy9736 they comfirmed the voice is Aleks le who did play the male MC from astral chain and a few other characters in demon slayer and SF6. they both can sound pretty close to each other I think
I hope P3RE has Aigis' social link and Elisabeth's hangout requests. These were FES content, but I can't imagine P3 without them. I just don't understand Atlus not wanting to include FES content. Not having FemC "makes sense" (in a stupid way) because P3P got ported. But Atlus didn't port P3FES. P3RE should've been a P3FES remake, not a P3 remake. Why not have the extra content?
35:56 To add onto Fither/LadyVirgillia's point on Atlus actually having sympathetic ears and listening: With that logic FeMC will most likely land in Persona 3 Reload as an inevitable rerelease in a year or two. Atlus will never hear the end of P3P fans asking where tf FeMC is. Like we could get Persona 6 news and P3P fans in the comments will complain abt FeMC not being in P3R. Not to say i dont want her (I do), just stating that FeMC fans will become the P5 fans that begged for P5 on switch for all those years. I think FeMC is coming and we will get that definitive Persona 3. Its only a matter of time and who knows? the P3R leaker could leak FeMC DLC
The battle system mechanic is absolutely perfect in FES. The AI, the fatigue, the "everyone else said boring" Tartarus and the difficulity is the real challenge. Many people seem don't understand that all of those is supposed to be like that in a way of storytelling. Goes along the way perfectly with P3's whole theme.
Most people that hate Tartarus and AI teammates started the series with Persona 5 i.e they were way too spoiled and literally disregard anything remotely difficult or immersive/realistic as bad design.
@@qyaruddick I beat the game on hard difficultly on my first ever playthrough while only doing half the confidants and not restarting that much. I really hope that social links in the remake won't give buffs cause it will ruin the experience for me.
I wonder if I'm alone on this but, I really hope they don't touch the 1 more system, I prefer the P3FES thing where AOE spells need to down everyone in order to count for a 1more over the P4 one where every down is a 1 more
They just need to include much of the stuff from Persona 5 as humanly possible, as well as quality of life advancements from P3 Fes and Portable This might be controversial to say, but I don't think FemC will be in the game. At best she will be an Paid DLC Expansion.
Most of what Persona 5 has is either social link rewards that make the game way too easy and you can't disable them or many activities that won't fit in Persona 3 without ruining the lore and logic.
I personally am actually very off put by the notion that Atlus (and other Japanese game studios) will start appealing more to a global market because that will most likely lead to them dumping what made their games interesting in the first place. Not to mention, Atlus might just turn Kanji gay and Naoto trans to get that sweet ESG money.
I just don't like the controls for FES or P3P. It's very rough to play even through emulation, I got to the first boss and a little past that multiple times and just dropped it. So I'll most likely play the remake cause it's not built like a PS2 game.
Persona 3 is a game that I found deeply frustrating to play despite my best attempt to understand its systems, so being able to enjoy it again in the modern style with a bunch of QoL is super exciting (Also not having to use an emulator with like a second of input lag will be nice)
To me the idea of "fixing" old games has always been kinda backwards. I would say its always better to just move on and make sure to do better in the next game.
While persona 3 is my favorite, it has absolutely not aged well at all. The best version of it is a lacking port of a port and you lose some of the features of the original. Hopefully they eventually remake the persona 2 duology.
would you say the PSP ports of 1 and the duology count as remakes? last I checked only eternal punishment which we never got in the west had it as the preferred option
Not agreeing on a lot of points. Both Tartarus and AI party kinda ruined the game for me. Tartarus is just too long, and too samey. It's just not exciting to go into Tartarus. It's definetly something you do only because you HAVE to do, a chore basically. And AI party is just a fucking misery. They bump down the game to the most basic stragies. Even if you use acting presets, you still can't do ANYTHING specific. For example, even if I tell my guys to go all out, I can't even specify if they should attack physical or magical. I can't rely on them. I HAVE to be both a healer and a damage dealer, because in critical situation I can't rely on those dumb asses. I have to do a persona on every element, I have to do a physical persona, and a healer persona. And Answers is fucking trash. AI ruins this campain so fucking much, it's unreal. So yeah. I hated the core gameplay of P3, and I overhated the whole game because of it. Because I choose FES over Portable because I kept hearing that it's better. And EVERY fucking time AI ruined my runs, I thought like "do I really need thlse 3d enviroments? No, I would prefer P3 to be done in MS Paint in exchange for the controllable party". So the whole game basically went down in value for me.
@@thegamerfe8751 you do realize he’s responding to how Fither and his guest were promoting the Ai control as being good. Also there are definitely people who would want that ai party for the remake, I’ve already seen all the purist who want the Og experience in combat and stuff.
@@thegamerfe8751 at the time(it was a long time ago) I didn't know the mod existed. And even so, I was told that it "isn't too bad". And now I'm responding to Feather's podcast, saying that no, AI party is very bad for the press turn combat system.
@@fazzeai Yeah I disagree with him too, objectively speaking which one is better depends on the person and you should have the choice between both in the game which seems like it. Pro tip: never listen to other people about stuff, follow your heart, if you think that teammates not bring controllable is a bad thing don't listen to others that say it's good.
Yes femc isn’t needed to tell the story of p3 but she adds new social links , new music , and even though it’s minor gives a new perspective of the story
man, the fact that theres no chance for the fes/Portable things being added just sort of ruins this for me, im personally not gonna get the game because while yes the graphics are amazing, its just gonna be persona 3. thats not gonna be worth my money at all, hope the people that do buy it enjoy it though
Quick update disregard a lot of our speculation about Portable/FES stuff. An interview just dropped where they confirmed this is a remake of P3 and doesn't include content from those other releases. This most notably includes the possible loss of the Elizabeth dates, which is a grave loss for our society.
www.ign.com/articles/persona-3-reload-wont-include-content-from-fes-or-portable-including-the-female-protagonist
*Not having Elizabeth dates* BRUH
Also look like we still have those "which version is the best of persona 3*
That's a certified Atlus moment
"I wish for a faithful Persona 3 remake!"
*Monkey's Paw Curls*
Nor an Aigis social link. But we'll still be forced to use swords
@@Lyrune People got what they wanted, but the cost...bruh.
Thanks for putting up with all my "likes" guys 😅
Was so much fun chatting with ya Fither! Thanks for having me again!
p.s. I don't think I was great at conveying, I think male MC's personality fits more with the Greek tragedy thematic (tragic flaw as a characteristic especially). I also think the lesson of learning to value other people, memories, and ultimately life, is a little less impactful in FemC route, just she's already so personable and people-oriented, it feels like she already "knew" that lesson vs. Male-protag having to learn it over the course of the game. Just a bit more of my thoughts regarding that~
like, it was really awesome having you here talking to fither, very entertaining.
also i agree
25:30 This is what's known as Schrodinger's Chidori. Until Atlus opens the box Chidori is both alive and dead at the same time.
Imagine Chidori just pulls a FF7R Aerith and breaks the timeline
i think the people who _weren't_ asking for the remake will probably be more satisfied with p3re than the people who _did_ ask. today i found out that a lot of people aren't happy with the exclusion of femc and the answer because they sort of expected it from the get go. meanwhile i was just impressed with how much work they went through to recreate the original game experience and am looking forward to it. a complete 180 turn.
That's essentially been my experience for the last three years or so, ever since Royal came out. If I ever was browsing on the internet and I saw people discussing what kind of features a P3 remake would have, like modern graphics, revamped SL content, and obviously the inclusion of FeMC, with them also saying Atlus _had_ to give a hint of a remake at some point, I just thought to myself "Huh, yeah, that would be cool," then moved onto something else. Now that the remake is officially confirmed, I'm excited to the heavens! It helps that whilst I really like P3 and joined in other fans in desiring for Atlus to remake it, I never actively devoted energy into developing a tightly defined idealism for what the game should actually be like. So whilst I might sympathize somewhat with the frustrations of the more... _vocally displeased_ fans about the news on FeMC and The Answer, I haven't experienced any major negative emotions like what so many others appear to be feeling.
My summary is I'm okay with the last of FES/Portable content because what I wanted in a P3 remake wasn't a "definitive version", it was a version of Persona 3 with modern Social Link QOL, one I'd be able to recommend to my friends without also recommending they stick to a very restrictive guide so as not to Reverse half the cast.
honestly I feel that way also, I had similar doubts with fither of the realistic aspect of getting this p3 remake to have everything AND have it updated in line with P5 which could take a very long time I for one would of just would have liked FES remaster with p3p stuff thrown in and call it a day which would do it's job I guess. when I get it I will probably treat it as it's own entity like the resident evil remakes rather than a updated definitive model of P3. the new Voice cast leaves me intrigued and how they would compare to the JP and the original voices also add this is made post P5 and if the people localisaing this is the same as P5 things may be different in some of the areas
I’m 100% in the “p3 holds up well and doesn’t need a remake, but I’m happy we’re getting one” camp.
People need to chill about the Fes and p3p content. Unlike the other games imo, vanilla p3 always felt like a complete experience.
The Anwser kinda sucks and FEMC route is really mid, so i'm hyped for Reloaded regardless
The thing about chidori in Arena is that the scene where she's "alive" is literally a dream junpei has it's the introduction to his story where he falls asleep on the train and ends up in inaba.
I really agree with Virgilias takes about liking the tactics system and tartarus, I liked how separate and individual the party members felt cause you could even split up the group and they fought battles by themselves
Fither REfantasy is finally here
And its just persona
End of P3RE: Tatuya fucking Suou appears and fights hitler
Cut to black
I’m really glad to see my two favorite Persona/SMT creators in one video.
“Thought it into existence” thinking rumors into existence?? Persona 2? Persona 2 remake real?
Another W discussion video. I really enjoy LadyVirgilia's analytical videos. Props to have someone else who deals with chronic illness in the community.
This game was willed into existence like the final bosses
i love jumpei so much that i just choose to believe chidori is alive so he can get the happy ending he deserves
I love Lady Virgilia's content. Fun collab
What I've learned is that a bunch of fans of a game whose opening prominently features Latin don't know what Latin is and think it's Spanish.
I think the only reason is because people see “hora” and immediately think Spanish (it’s me, I’m people). Seeing the rest of the text makes it clear that it’s Latin
I don't know if this was acknowledged, but I think it's already shown that you can directly control the partners. In the trailer, you can see options to select Yukari's turn in combat. Also it's now "one button per menu" like in P5.
Burning Man's Soul better be in the game
Yessss
Check it out im in the house like carpet
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
I kind of regret playing FeMC's route first now lol.
My thought process was that if any version of P3 got ported or remade it would be FES, so while I only had access to Portable I was gonna play FeMC. Then Portable got ported and... I was so attached to her story that I did her route again lol. Now the remake only has Makoto, and it feels odd to me (even though I'm ultimately happy it's being made). I get that Makoto's route is the original experience, and probably the most fitting, but FeMC and all the things unique to her route are so integral to P3 as *_I_* experienced it. Even if Portable has some odd or objectively bad changes, I still got so much out of my experience with it that it ended up as my 4th favorite game of all time.
Would I have had an even better time if I'd started with FES? I guess I have no way of knowing.
28:37 Shinji’s death is a canon event confirmed, Miguel will hunt down Kazuhisa Wada
Fither, I am literally wiggling my toes listening to this
It's a huge shame about the lack of content that portable and FES offer but as someone who can't really get into portable, I'm pretty hyped about it
and at least we still get full party control.
that new fantasy one ATLUS is doing looks good too
Hoping we get the choice of either romance or platonic friendship. I don’t like the forced romance route to max a female social link. As for the FeMC, I resonated with her so much in my first play through, even though I’m more introverted like Makoto. If she is added as dlc, fine have my money Atlus! Also her exclusive social links are some of my favorites.
I’m curious if they make physical just one element(keep in mind “if”). Then will they retroactively implement Psychokinesis and Nuclear. If so how far are they going to go with that? Because in PQ2 if I’m recalling correctly Ken had Psychokinesis and Aigis had Nuclear. Would that also mean the persona’s we currently have get move set updates and elemental affinity updates? It’s kinda just a big question mark with the battle system I think. Like how much are they going to update that and far do they wanna go with it?
Judging by the screenshots we have, it looks like they’re keeping the split Physical. When Yukari has a cursor over the enemy, it shows bullet holes (suggesting pierce) and when MC does it, it shows a slash icon
@@molberding5 good to know, so they likely remain faithful in that case if it’s true.
If they retroactively gave us Psy and Nuke from 5 that be a cool way to change the party members a little bit of give new life and new strategy and even bosses, it also be cool if they added something like Royals Persona traits which could also add some form of new strategy like say Aigis has a small chance to nullify any magic attack against the party like she did in Q2 or something and Junpei/Chidori’s Spring of Life is basically the prototype version of a Persona Trait.
there will be animated cutscenes there are a few screenshots that show the opening of the game
this a real metaphor for a re fantazio
Sooooo hype. Final people on RUclips talking about Persona 3. Love both channels keep it going
I love Persona 3 but I think I will be waiting 2 years max to see if they do a definitive edition like they did with P4 and P5
I actually got into persona in February this year so I’m very lucky we are getting this remake because ever since I heard the rumors I wanted it so bad cuz I didn’t want to buy persona 5
I am a little sad that persona 1 and 2 duology, as those need that remake more than persona 3. I mean persona 1 and 2 don't have a press turn system. Also it is really hard to play persona 2 duology without pirating
However I still like how persona 3 is getting remade as it was my first introduction to megami tensei.
I’m willing to bet persona 2 will get a remake down the line if p3 reload is successful and also p2 was the 2nd most voted people wanted remade in the recent remake poll atlus did.
you don't get why 3 really needs a remake, it's because there are two different versions of the game that offer vastly different experiences with different content that you can't find in the other game.
However, Atlus confirmed that there's no content from FES or Portable and by result the remake is actually useless.
I’m one of those people who got into Persona/SMT via Persona 5. My only previous experience with Persona 3 was the OVAs. So a game that basically has that storyline & Persona 5’s gameplay is essentially what I’m expecting. So I guess it will be interesting to see the responses from people who played the original in 2006. When I saw the trailer, I felt like I could pretty easily imagine what the game would be like.
Ehhhhh no, the animes are what you call an OVA, in case you didn't know an OVA is movie/series that's released on on DVDs, the Persona 3 animes did air in cinemas so they're not OVAs.
@@thegamerfe8751 Actually 🤓
@@enricosaez3345 dude, it's like calling a lemon an orange, unironically no 🤓
I'm kinda in the middle. Ideally I would have a definitive edition of P3 with FES and Portable content. I really like FeMC, male party SLs, The Answer, etc. I woulda liked to see her in this style.
But ultimately, like you said life moves on. I read interviews with the people making the game, and I respect what they're going for here. I'm impressed with their dedication to getting the core P3 experience right with better quality of life gameplay. Plus I'm keeping an open mind. I'm interested in what additional content they'll bring to the table.
Can't wait for persona 3 reload fes the answer to come out in like 3 years
I’m so happy this is happening but the fact they’re adding nothing from portable or fes is such a letdown
This man should start a podcast.
imagine including Lady Virgillia as a mainstay, bubbletea, Nam's Compendium, and Nyarly. imagine that
@@moonsets-on_youHello!!??? BASED department?!!!???
Im so glad to see to of my favorite reviews talking
My ideal resolution to all that Elizabeth stuff weould just be some fan wank spin-off that ends with all the p3-6 casts killing Erebus for good or something and letting the P3 mc “fully” pass on
Seems like it could be a decent way to follow up on that stuff while also not totally ruining P3’s ending
Whatever persona 3 reload has, I won't mind, I'm just glad I get controllable party members while exploring the town and being cinematic
I actually got into persona because someone told me I reminded him of the P3 protag, it's totally true lol
@@flabbergastedcattywampus the most realistic Persona Mc since he can just be an asshole instead of the typical nice guy.
Man I couldn’t be happier to see this finally happen. Persona 3 is finally getting the remake that it needed and deserved
Yeah uh about that
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 Yup, Atlus made all hype for the game die within literally a day holy shit.
WHOA
Wasn't expecting Lady to be here this time around
This is indeed what the kids call a poggers moment
The crossover we deserved-
Honestly I feel like the biggest thing most people overlook when complaining about not having all of the ‘things’ is that just because this is a remake doesn’t mean they can just copy/paste content in from the other versions. Everything is getting remade which costs time and money. If they blow crazy money on doing everything that increases the number of copies they need to sell. And if they don’t sell enough say goodbye to a bunch of future remakes.
Good. If they can't make competent remakes, then the shouldn't bother at all.
Persona 3 is "capitalist focus group justification: The Game" which is an explicit downgrade and not worth the effort at all.
Also, let’s be real, I’d kinda rather they get the game out in 2024 and move onto Persona 6 rather than push it back a year or two just to include FeMC or The Answer
As a femc super fan, as long as they give me the option to play p3p music in the game, I'm happy
Since they always add OSTs from other games we'll probably get Portable music but there's a chance they do it like Persona 5 and lock them behind DLCs.
@@thegamerfe8751 It would legit be sad to not have femc and lock her music behind DLC. Although if femc route and her music are behind dlc than its less bad
@@mehdisilini7296 They did it with Persona 5, Persona 4 and 3 (along with other related games) music plays if you are wearing DLC costumes.
@TheGamer FE they did music gatekeeping on unrelated versions but kept the music from the base games
I'm wishfully hoping for a battle Playlist option like how they did it in p5 strikers
Damn a crossover i never knew I needed but hell yeah
I'm also in the camp that says persona 3 didn't NEED a remake, but that's kind of a useless distinction to me, because technically speaking no one game NEEDS to be made. We make games, we play games, we buy games, we ask for games because we WANT them, not need them. I was personally holding out hope for a p3 remake simply because I _wanted_ it (not needed it) since it's the perfect excuse to replay it (I spend way too many hours on games I haven't played before, so it's hard to find the time and motivation to replay stuff).
This focus on 'need' over 'want' is kinda emblematic of how people these days are way too focused on what's objective, when in reality most things pertaining to media are largely subjective. Saying p3 NEEDS this feature to be this way, and it MUST include this and that, etc, I think it's all a way of trying to validate your own subjective opinion on what p3 should be as fact.
Apologies for being a bummer, bird app will be bird app. Still very excited about the game. If it ends up being disappointing, we all still have the originals to go back to. If it's good, then that's just dandy.
I am also in the camp too but not for the same reason, I don't think P3 needed to go all the way and update it's format to P5 all I thought it needed was just a version that had everything in a single package of FES and P3P which would probably take as much effort as doing P4G and using FES as the basis.
As someone ego actually hasn’t played any version of Persona 3 (but I did watch the anime). This video pointed out part of what kept me away from the game. There really isn’t a definitive version. It also has availability problems. Unless I’m mistaken, Portable is the only version on Steam. If just vanilla Persona 3 was downloadable on PlayStation 4 in 2018, it would have been a pretty easy purchase. But now I’ll get this one
@@TheJadedJames most people complain about FES having availabilitiy problems which fine. if vanilla p3 was on ps4 but not FES a war would happen
In my opinion, the last thing Persona 3 Reload needs is to follow that mentality of "This game must have everything in order to be the definitive version.". Instead I think they should keep the better aspects while staying true to the message the story has about death, since P3 is such a theme driven story. I really hope none of the character resurrection options make it into the remake.
a crossover of my dreams
new screenshots looked sick
It would be nice if manual skill inheritance was added. But judging from what the Director said, that doesn't seem very likely
I agree with the sentiment that Ai party members were legitimately fine and worked well when you just USE THE TACTICS MENU.
The trailers made clear that they're unfortunately implementing full party control, and I'm sad about it since it was absolutely part of the OG experience, but I'm still going to set my party to Ai controls for my entire P3Re experience as well unless they changed the combat in a way that makes it impossible or too much of an impracticality.
So if this is a remake of Persona 3 in the modern era, I wonder if they will keep the automatic awakenings, I’m pretty sure they will cus they are a pretty big part of the story.
If they did have femc. I think it be a cool idea to have her as a new game plus. Or if anything a dlc so that way you can just say she is in the remake, lets get on with our lives.
Am I one of the only ones who didn't mind gameplay of The Answer? All dungeons and no Social Links? I enjoyed it, actually. The dungeons were decent and the bosses were a bit more involved and strategic than the Tartarus ones.
I can see them releasing dlc or a new version for femc. If this sells well and Atlus assumes 50% of they player base will buy it, they’ll be more entice to make it. The do love releasing games with add ons. I’ll be shock but happen if they just added it as dlc.
I get not wanting to support it cause it isn’t the definitive version you want but this looks more than just a P5 reskin and looks like quite a bit was build from the ground up. So I don’t know think going balls out was in the budget. P5 made a lot of money for sure but they make other games at the same time usually and you have to distribute budget.
Also Graphically speaking P3R could show what Persona 6 could look like using Unreal Engine 5.
The best crossover!!
34:08 I saw an interesting take online and someone said that FeMC kinda ruins the protagonist's arc of Persona 3 bc FeMC at the start already views life in a positive/celebratory light which dulls any development into that mindset that Makoto gains throughout the story. Meanwhile (imo) bc Makoto goes from an apathetic boy to a man who has something to fight for and cherishes life it makes every SEES interaction; every Social Link that much more carthartic bc u experience this slow change in real time every single in-game day on that calendar. Im deff with LadyVirgillia though: FeMC isnt bad at all. Her addition inversely drags down the game's theme a bit. Not to say her social links or unique responses ultimately mean nothing. just a unique take on Kotone Shiomi
Making rumors into true like the old persona games :o
i actually didnt think p3 needed a remake at all but im super hyped about this. i dont really fw the answer or the femc, the base game IS persona 3 to me. obviously i wouldn’t scoff at more substantial content being in the game and not having the answer available in any modern capacity is kind of a bummer but this remake looks to have everything i liked about the original game. tartarus (in terms of gameplay) looks unchanged which is fine by me as someone who liked the original game and changing tartarus was the one thing i feared the most lol. it would be cool if they added some stuff from p5r mementos tho, atlus sort of perfected the randomly generated dungeon with royal mementos.
also, edit: i think that the answer takes a big poopy dump all over the story anyways so hopefully if they do decide to do an epilogue post-launch, they can do some revisionism there lol.
Voice cast for English dub is entirely new, I'm interested in hearing their performances.
an Atlus west employee: so what we do with junpei's voice actor given the me too controversy?
Another atlus employee: just change the voice actors of the entirety main cast.
@@starmaker75 That's not why. They had the original voice actors or the rest of the cast in Persona 4 Arena
@@starmaker75 I'm kinda glad there's new VA"s they're part of Atlus's Acting agency, glad to give the newer faces a chance.
@@weepingblade They should hire that VA (I cannot remember his name off top of my head) who voiced 9S in Nier Automata to voice the protagonist Makoto Yuki
@@unicorntomboy9736 they comfirmed the voice is Aleks le who did play the male MC from astral chain and a few other characters in demon slayer and SF6. they both can sound pretty close to each other I think
I hope P3RE has Aigis' social link and Elisabeth's hangout requests. These were FES content, but I can't imagine P3 without them.
I just don't understand Atlus not wanting to include FES content. Not having FemC "makes sense" (in a stupid way) because P3P got ported. But Atlus didn't port P3FES. P3RE should've been a P3FES remake, not a P3 remake. Why not have the extra content?
❤this crossover
35:56 To add onto Fither/LadyVirgillia's point on Atlus actually having sympathetic ears and listening: With that logic FeMC will most likely land in Persona 3 Reload as an inevitable rerelease in a year or two. Atlus will never hear the end of P3P fans asking where tf FeMC is. Like we could get Persona 6 news and P3P fans in the comments will complain abt FeMC not being in P3R. Not to say i dont want her (I do), just stating that FeMC fans will become the P5 fans that begged for P5 on switch for all those years. I think FeMC is coming and we will get that definitive Persona 3. Its only a matter of time and who knows? the P3R leaker could leak FeMC DLC
Neon Genesis Elizabalion
Final Phase Nyx is Minato and Elizabeth
They just dropped P3R has no FES/Portable content, shish
I think this will be definitive gameplay wise but content wise I’m not to sure bout FeMC or the answer
It's been confirmed that this is a remake of vanilla P3, so no FES or Portable content will be in it
i think we are going to be dealing with timetraveling Elizabeth
Atlus is cooking rn
The battle system mechanic is absolutely perfect in FES. The AI, the fatigue, the "everyone else said boring" Tartarus and the difficulity is the real challenge. Many people seem don't understand that all of those is supposed to be like that in a way of storytelling. Goes along the way perfectly with P3's whole theme.
Most people that hate Tartarus and AI teammates started the series with Persona 5 i.e they were way too spoiled and literally disregard anything remotely difficult or immersive/realistic as bad design.
@@thegamerfe8751 yup. P5 especially the Royal version being too easy for me it loses its challenging aspect.
@@qyaruddick I beat the game on hard difficultly on my first ever playthrough while only doing half the confidants and not restarting that much.
I really hope that social links in the remake won't give buffs cause it will ruin the experience for me.
@@thegamerfe8751 yup. I hope they keep the social link as it is in the original except for adding the romance option as in the later games.
@@qyaruddick or make it so that social link perks can be disabled, that will satisfy everyone.
I hope they don't change the music, this game has my favourite ost in the series.
They could be new additional songs for the soundtrack
It's not including aby content from portable or FES lol
persona 2 needs a remake way more then 3!!!!!!
I wonder if I'm alone on this but, I really hope they don't touch the 1 more system, I prefer the P3FES thing where AOE spells need to down everyone in order to count for a 1more over the P4 one where every down is a 1 more
The only thing that I really dont like from what I saw is that the revolver UI is gone and now its just a basic ass circle
Look, I will accept Shinji is dead if Atlus replaces the original Moon SL with his.
They just need to include much of the stuff from Persona 5 as humanly possible, as well as quality of life advancements from P3 Fes and Portable
This might be controversial to say, but I don't think FemC will be in the game. At best she will be an Paid DLC Expansion.
They just dropped P3R has no FES/Portable content, shish
Most of what Persona 5 has is either social link rewards that make the game way too easy and you can't disable them or many activities that won't fit in Persona 3 without ruining the lore and logic.
Plot bla bla bla yeah yeah that's cool and all but best toaster waifu is back and that's all I care about
Honestly, with them NOT including the Portable/FES content, I feel like this remake has no point.
I personally am actually very off put by the notion that Atlus (and other Japanese game studios) will start appealing more to a global market because that will most likely lead to them dumping what made their games interesting in the first place. Not to mention, Atlus might just turn Kanji gay and Naoto trans to get that sweet ESG money.
I just don't like the controls for FES or P3P. It's very rough to play even through emulation, I got to the first boss and a little past that multiple times and just dropped it. So I'll most likely play the remake cause it's not built like a PS2 game.
yoooo based crossover!
Persona 3 is a game that I found deeply frustrating to play despite my best attempt to understand its systems, so being able to enjoy it again in the modern style with a bunch of QoL is super exciting
(Also not having to use an emulator with like a second of input lag will be nice)
1:20 Not again
Final Fantasy 7 🤝 Persona 3
remake manifested by fans
also i think it would be neat if this was the results of someone saving the protagonist from his fate
To me the idea of "fixing" old games has always been kinda backwards. I would say its always better to just move on and make sure to do better in the next game.
Ok so like… since we probably won’t get FeMC
Can we just get a Persona game with a female protag????
Can you imagine if there was FeMC, but she was secret preorder DLC or something lmao
Ayo
Chidori is 100% unalive, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "golden" ending of this game retcons that.
While persona 3 is my favorite, it has absolutely not aged well at all. The best version of it is a lacking port of a port and you lose some of the features of the original. Hopefully they eventually remake the persona 2 duology.
would you say the PSP ports of 1 and the duology count as remakes? last I checked only eternal punishment which we never got in the west had it as the preferred option
Not agreeing on a lot of points. Both Tartarus and AI party kinda ruined the game for me. Tartarus is just too long, and too samey. It's just not exciting to go into Tartarus. It's definetly something you do only because you HAVE to do, a chore basically.
And AI party is just a fucking misery. They bump down the game to the most basic stragies. Even if you use acting presets, you still can't do ANYTHING specific. For example, even if I tell my guys to go all out, I can't even specify if they should attack physical or magical. I can't rely on them. I HAVE to be both a healer and a damage dealer, because in critical situation I can't rely on those dumb asses. I have to do a persona on every element, I have to do a physical persona, and a healer persona.
And Answers is fucking trash. AI ruins this campain so fucking much, it's unreal.
So yeah. I hated the core gameplay of P3, and I overhated the whole game because of it. Because I choose FES over Portable because I kept hearing that it's better. And EVERY fucking time AI ruined my runs, I thought like "do I really need thlse 3d enviroments? No, I would prefer P3 to be done in MS Paint in exchange for the controllable party". So the whole game basically went down in value for me.
Mf doesn't know how to add a cheat that lets them control the party 💀
@@thegamerfe8751 you do realize he’s responding to how Fither and his guest were promoting the Ai control as being good. Also there are definitely people who would want that ai party for the remake, I’ve already seen all the purist who want the Og experience in combat and stuff.
@@thegamerfe8751 at the time(it was a long time ago) I didn't know the mod existed. And even so, I was told that it "isn't too bad". And now I'm responding to Feather's podcast, saying that no, AI party is very bad for the press turn combat system.
@@anthonynguyen1289 Well sucks to be them, there were already screenshots of controllable members
@@fazzeai Yeah I disagree with him too, objectively speaking which one is better depends on the person and you should have the choice between both in the game which seems like it.
Pro tip: never listen to other people about stuff, follow your heart, if you think that teammates not bring controllable is a bad thing don't listen to others that say it's good.
TARDS-R-US
people need to stop pretending femc is this integral part of the game that you cant separate no matter what
It's their preference, jeez.
That's the whole reason a female protagonist was thought about in the first place.
Extractly.
P3 was designed without her in mind. It's fine that you like her, but don't pretend like the game needs her to be playable.
Yes femc isn’t needed to tell the story of p3 but she adds new social links , new music , and even though it’s minor gives a new perspective of the story
@@vdelprado9251 That new social links you're talking about, I gotta say the romance for one of them is really weird
@@Eizlan13 yeah no one is talking about ken but makoto has some f up social links too
Timelines dont matter because of the whole multiverse canon
My only thought about the FEMC is that if they add her they better add gay links too
Dude, they're not adding her, are you using Internet Explorer?
I just saw the news, sorry i’m not chronically online
The dub is being recast which pisses me off to no end. Absolutley baffling decision there.
Hope they have FeMC
why do u keep being quiet for a long time its always awkward for the guests they keep talking by themselves
man, the fact that theres no chance for the fes/Portable things being added just sort of ruins this for me, im personally not gonna get the game because while yes the graphics are amazing, its just gonna be persona 3. thats not gonna be worth my money at all, hope the people that do buy it enjoy it though