Men's Shoe Sizes Make NO Sense - Here's Why!
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00:00 Men's Shoe Sizes Introduction
When shoe shopping in stores or especially online seems like shoe sizing subjective and disorganized with variations in regional regulations, manufacturer's standards, and last proportions.
00:40 Shoe & Foot Measurements
Two ways possible -- basing sizing around the size of the foot or around the size of the last. You’ll note that in neither measurements of the foot nor the last is proportionality considered.
03:43 A Brief History of Sizing Shoes
For most of human history, shoes were made within the household or by local shoemakers. While these shoes didn’t always fit perfectly, they were intended to be rough approximations of a real pair of feet.
04:36 UK Sizing
07:32 US Sizing
12:05 European Sizing
14:20 Mondopoint System
In the article that accompanies this guide, you’ll find a table that links to the shoe size charts of over 40 popular menswear brands. Even with these tools, however, be prepared for variations due to your individual foot shape that may require sizing up or down a size or half-size.
When it comes to show sizes, fit is more important than a number!
19:12 Outfit Rundown
#fit #shoes #notsponsored 
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Finally someone dares to address the shoe sizing craziness! I can purchase a perfect 8.5D AEs and vintage Florsheim's sight unseen. However I have purchased fine English shoes which were supposed to be equivalent and neither of them fits perfectly although of very high quality!? Very frustrating. My favorite British shoes are C&J but I will only purchase them at an actual C&J store by first trying a pair on!
Buying shoes has always been a trial for me!😮💨
My feet are a cobbler's nightmare. I have a wide ball, high arch, and a narrow heel (I think mom smoked during the pregnancy)!
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You're a better humans ... and it's not your fault 😂
@@BogdanDulgheru salut🇹🇩
Incredible video, very interesting and informative. I like the cm/mm method. That makes a lot of sense to me.
Kudos to the writer/researcher of this script! (E. J. Daniels.)
Also it is easier to follow since the drum track is gone.
Thank you for simply explaining why I need a size 10.5 for Timberlands (US), but a 9.5 wearing Clarks (UK).
Great discussion on shoe sizing! It clears up a lot of confusion.
Clears up but not enough ... You still try your shoes in the store with your wife to pick the colour for his dress (Roumanian jokes ) 🤔
Hey! Please make a video about vintage shopping. Maybe visiting a vintage store. Or maybe a video where you talk about best vintage garments you made. Love the videos you already made on the topic. I am a big fan of gg!
I have size 14 feet in US sizing so it’s hard enough to find shoes that fit. Adding to that the annoyances of mostly online shopping and then compounding it with sizing discrepancies makes buying shoes a real nightmare. It’s probably the main roadblock in my menswear journey. Anyway thanks for the very insightful and helpful video. I had never even seen a barleycorn, let alone known they were responsible for shoe sizing being so messed up. It does make me appreciate Scotch a bit more though. Slainte!
Before the internet ... you're walking barefoot 🤔. Go by trying the shoes live in the stores and when you have problems ... return to barefoot with a thicker socks ...
@@BogdanDulgheru At a size 14 it's highly unlikely that he can find ANY shoe stores that carry his size to try.
Actually this was much more interesting than I'd expected it to be.
Check out Rose Anvil and see how they are made...
it is worse than that. I have two different models of the same (very respectable) brand, one is size 44, the other 46, both fit equally good, whereas usually I wear 43.
Some time ago I held two pairs of the same model (a different mainstream brand) in my hands, one few years older than the other, both claimed to be 28cm long, one was size 43, the other size 44.
@Sven Raphael
Could you possibly produce a video about "Pullunders" ?
In sneakers I take a size 11 Can/USA but in our old military boots my size was 9 1/2! Our military now uses the Mondopoint. In some cases I'll go up to a 12. This is why I don't buy dress shoes online. I could buy Allen Edmonds as I own one pair, but it may take returns to get the right size from another company if I don't already own a pair.
The transition to Mondo point in our military didn't really help things much. We were supposed to get better fitting boots. What we got was a chronic shortage of common sizes.
That aside, I have good luck ordering dress shoes online from good makers*, but it usually requires a bit of correspondence with the manufacturer to determine the ideal size.
* Carmina among others are especially good for this type of size consultation.
I just awaiting another shoe video from GG! Thanks for giving one more!
I’ve been viewing your content for years, could you make a video about tie width?
When I was sent to Navy flight school in Pensacola I got jump boots and uniform dress shoes that were the best fit I have ever had in my life. Sinus and ear canal challenges made me leave flying, so it was a sad day when I turned in the boots. My narrow heels have always been the sticking point.
Over the 15 year period that I studied dance I never really found a pair of ballet slippers that fit as they should. Doing modern dance in bare feet became my preference, and the soles of my feet were like a piece of leather for that year.
I became acquainted with European sizing when I danced a Dutch waltz in a parade and had to buy a pair of carved klopfen for the occasion.
10 1/2EE foot here, as measured on the Brannock device in the USA. (BUT, for some companies I fit 11 EE.) Here in Japan I fit a 29 EE (or EEE when I can find them). But, even though many young Japanese men are now larger than I (and thus have larger feet), many shoe stores here still carry nothing larger than a 27! So, I mostly need to order online and see what fits.
Funny thing is that sizes can even vary within one brand. At least for sneakers. I have a few Pairs of Adidas that go between EU 41 and 43. And each of thema are correct size for me. Most american brands i've had you usually have to size down
I'm very lucky when it comes to shoes - my feet are exactly US 12D on the Brannock. And both are exactly the same size, which is a bit unusual. I can order 12D from pretty much any major US brand sight unseen and they will fit well. Unfortunately, shoes are the only bit of clothing that is easy for me to fit, as I am tall with long arms lol. No thrift store finds for me 😞 But at least I have an easy time with shoes. As for European shoes, I only buy them when I travel there and I can try them on. Usually EU46 works. By the way, I love your range of socks! And wallets and gloves! Thanks for the explainer about crazy shoe sizes.
I can't stand some size charts that just say "CM" without specifying what it means. CM what? Is it the length of the foot or the length of the last? Sometimes is the foot, sometimes is the last, depending on the brand.
Wow! Fantastic video! Thanks a lot
Great video on all fronts. Well done GG.
Yep it is really expensive to figure it out. I bought wnd sold with a big loss a lot of higher end shoes and boots. Brannock helped but it is not everything. I feel like us and uk sizes don't have same understanding of heel to ball to overal laingt. Maybe it is just me
Hello, what is the name of the brand of the black oxford (0:02)? :D
It could be worse and shoe sizes be limited to S, M & L like much clothing or even "one size" like cheaper socks. Sizes will likely always be a bit inconsistent between brands. I find that quality shoes tend to be a half size (on average) larger than mass market shoes
"Orthopedic" shoes are limited to s, m and l at a shoe store I got my loafers, and I had to buy twice because the last was so wide they flopped while being short in the toes.
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I'm constantly getting annoyed at how shoe sizes aren't even the same across different companies. I wear a size 9 men and I've worn shoes from size 8 to 10.
After watching this video I've decided to cut off my feet and attach rollers to the stumps instead.
I just buy beckett simonon brand shoes, they are a great price and i like their calfskin and traditional build
In online forums, everyone will tell you to get measured on a Brannock device, which I find to be beyond useless. At best, that device measures length and width for heel to toe and heel to ball. Feet have way more dimensions than that.
I wear anywhere between -1.5 < Brannock < +0.5 depending on the last and construction, with an average of -1.
Only shoe sizes??? I have exactly the same impression with ALL types of clothes!
no shoe models change faster than men's running shoes. For that impossible to order; must buy in person. Main complaint with soxs is: elastic incredably tight at top too often - negates purchase
I’m in the UK, size 9. In over 40 years of buying this size I’ve never found a pair of shoes that didn’t fit me.
I feel like I'm getting a university education in menswear.
100% with you on those barleycorns!
Cowboy boots come in half sizes at some manufacturers. A few of them even have B width (most of the shelf only offer D and EE).
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Same for women's shoes. 😢 especially when dealing with width.
Yeah if It was me. I wold be investing in handmade for sure...
0:22 😮
I cant understand the code of the year factorying🎉
You should review Spanish shoe manufacturer Magnani
I always buy a wide or even a half size up to protect my toes and use socks of differing thickness to fill shoes in perfectly.
Growing up I mostly wore hand-me-down shoes that my brother had previously wore. He is 3-1/2 years older than me, which meant when I was young I had to stuff newspaper into the toes so they would fit. Later when I started getting shoes of my own, I would always buy them a half size or a size larger so I could grow into them to keep them longer. This last practice was pretty common among the other boys I knew. I think this is why men often end up wearing shoes that are too big. You keep buying shoes 1/2 size too big, until your feet stop growing. Then you keep buying that last size, which was 1/2 size too big.
The long history of shoe sizing is certainly screwy, but remember that most of the time, most of the people were happy if it was close enough.
Now you have to think ... What's close enough ... for you!
@@BogdanDulgheru I can afford better shoes now, so I get one's that fit me. But I am only one, in a history that includes millions.
Remember, before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. Then you can criticize him all you want since you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
Great video. I wish there were more American Goodyear welt shoes in 5E. There are a couple in England but getting them to the US is difficult. Until I travel to the UK, I will buy Florsheim. I remember in a video that Raphael said he did not like them but they are nice for the price point, fit well and shine up nicely. I did find a US company that has Cheaney.
I have issues buying shoes because I wear an “A” width. My feet are very narrow.
I'm on the line between A and B. The way I see it, my feet are exactly the width they should be. It's everybody else who has impossibly wide feet!
I belive the best way to feel good in your shoes is to buy wide type of shoes (anti-stress, ortopedic, barefoor) or yes, if you have the money, get it custom!
Disagree. But it's not really clear what's right. Real handwelted leather shoes for example are the antithesis to barefoot shoes and they are very good for your feet as well. But only as long as you have a good fit. Not buying wider than you need, that won't be a good fit.
Highly depends on the person. Most people I know swear by oversized, roomy and soft trainers. I get unimaginable back pain when standing in them. And I'm sure they do to a lesser extent as well but don't want to admit it.
I need shoes that are harder and much tighter fitting to feel comfortable in them. Until now those have been dress shoes and boots, but a few days back I got some Adidas trainers which actually fit quite close to what a dress boot or shoe would fit. It's the most comfortable thing I've worn.
It's about the standardized make of shoes ... If you have 1 leg ... Go to customize or bespoke. You pay for 1 shoe!
If your shoes are 0.345 bigger ... go for a socks 0.345 bigger.
To feel good in your shoes ... don't wear it after you buy it 😉
As a person with really narrow feet I can't find much of the footwear that holds my ball properly due to the fact people are saying this repeatedly
I have A/B width feet. If I have to wear a standard width shoe, I can pinch over half an inch off the side.
Shoes fit best when they're brand new. Once they're broken in, my foot just slops around all over the place. Blister city.
I've really wanted to buy a pair of Red Wings or Thursday Boots online, but this is the reason why I won't. I'm almost guaranteed to not get a good fit without trying them on first (we don't have local stores, so I can't)
I have Redwing Iron Rangers in 11D and they just fit. I'd have to go wider for my next pair, but with most other boots an 11D leaves plenty of room. I may never get those Iron Rangers resoled for fear of them just getting tighter after resoling.
@@canadafree2087 how long have you had them? Does "just fit" mean they're still slightly uncomfortable, or OK?
They cause no pain but I am always aware that they are touching the width of my foot. I do like them, we now have a RW store in my area.@@xntumrfo9ivrnwf
Thursday has an excellent return process. You can get an idea of what sizes you should try from their website and/or chatting with support. Then either order a couple of pairs and return what doesn’t fit, or order what’s most likely to fit and exchange for a size up or down after trying on.
At 19:55 it looks like the hem is messed up on the corduroy pants.
I do love the pants though.
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you have scratched my itch which has been for years
Thank you for the video. Commenting for the Algorithm.
What is the pretty shoe on the thumbnail?
I measure 9.5d . My Church's are all 9d. USA. Figure that out.
In chinese size for me 40! 😬
Russian Size based on Europe, 43EU == 42RU, usw...
What sucks for me is that I have high arches and most makers don't make things with built in arch support that is good enough. And yes I can buy orthotics, but then that changes how much room is in the shoe and it is not worth it for me.
I like to buy my shoes 2nd hand. They're cheaper and already broken in, if the shoe sizing is off, I don't take such a hit either.
My brain hurts. Worldwide shoe sizing is a mess. No wonder I have such a hard time getting comfortable shoes.
And how did King Edward II die ???
You think it’s frustrating as a man! Try being a woman. I am a 31 year old woman in Australia. I have to wear work boots for work and so have had to learn men’s sizes. That poses its own problem as typically, men’s arches are different to women. But wait, it gets worse! Up until buying shoes last year, I was a men’s UK/German 9, men’s US/AUS 10, Women’s US/AUS 11, European 42 and Japanese/Chinese 27.5. Now, most women’s shoes only go up to a 10 in Aus. A few brands started making regular styles in 11. But no one really offers half sizes. Last year I bought myself many pairs of new shoes where my UK/GER and US/AUS men’s sizes have stayed the same, but my US/AUS women’s sizes has jumped to a 12 and my EUR size is now a 43.
Welcome to the world of women’s clothing where that’s always been the case.
Interesting discussion...I wish you would have gone into US widths more......I don't follow the difference between Wide , E, EE, EEE. Having large bunions, its very hard to find dress shoes that are comfortable!
Too many people buy oversized dress shoes. The creasing and proportions to body are way off.
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I always wonder why bespoke shoes are sized while you are sitting, because when you stand, your feet lengthen and the arch changes.
A good bespoke shoemaker will also take measurements when standing and analyze stride.
Van Bommel ( a Dutch luxury shoe maker) is one of the only shoe makers that also sells shoes with different width.
What? How many brands do you know?
I’d say at this point, almost all mid to high end dress shoe companies offer different width options.
The nicer dress shoes end at 3E. What do you do if you are a 5E? Buy a shoe two sizes longer?
In short, yes. Most dress shoe manufacturers increase the length by a half size for every increase in width (i.e. the length and width of a 10D is ~= 9.5E. This is to maintain the proportionality of the silhouette. Certain work boot manufacturers won’t do this.
It’s not guaranteed to work, but if you think you need a 10EEEEE, you could try a 10.5EEEE or an 11EEE.
I will never ever buy a shoe I can’t try on. This is the issue with many of the popular high end shoes makers over seas who might have only one store in NYC - if that.
I bought many pairs of Allen Edmonds shoes off of Ebay, only using my somewhat normal 10.5D shoe size. They are the best fitting shoes I have ever worn. I never tried on any of them, and never sent any back for sizing problems. Give it a try!
@@dandiehm8414 So many AE shoe stores near me I like to go see. Some shoe lasts do not fit my feet well - others do. Some need smaller sizes. The 65 Last is a favorite.
Half sizes wouldn't require shops to invest double the money, as they would also order half as many of each size. They would, however, have double the SKUs to manage and the manufacturer would need to produce lower numbers of shoes for each sizing setup. Not huge problems but unfortunately thet small cost saving won the day.
With shoe companies going more and more online, this is just going to get worse...
After WW2 some shoes stores would use an x-ray machine to x-ray peoples fit while they were wear the shoes to check on the fit. This lasted until someone pointed out the problem which using such a devise by untrained shop staff.
There is a Medieval document which has illustrations of typical village scenes for each month of the year. Interestingly many of the people depicted in the winter months are not wearing shoes because they did not want to ruin them in the mud and water while working in the fields. Imagine having to work barefoot in a wet muddy field in the middle of winter.
Yes, buying ANY shoes has become Bizarre.
A men's actual Size 13 can be Size 10.5 in another!
I quit wearing Nike shoes because on my huge feet, the shoes seemed to have a timer on them, and would fall apart at exactly 1 year of age.
Nike shoes also are notorious for having non-standard sizing.....different styles would be all over the place in sizing.
That's why I found manufacturers that had shoes that I liked (most important!), and also had consistent sizing. That's the key.
Men's USA size 13 should be consistent in dress shoes and all shoes, but they aren't. I suppose that means there hasn't been a huge lawsuit that someone won & made millions on a successful judgment yet. That seems to be the only uniformity cudgel that would work in this litigious country. lol 🤣
I just said the heck with it and make my own moccasins
shoe size i away bad ,, why the can not use just cm ,, depend on the style and manufacture i am from 43 -45 why can not be ,, ye foot length is 27cm , you get a 27cm shoe ,,,
For anyone who doesn't have stores selling quality shoes around them, I highly suggest buying used shoes to start off, then keep adjusting until you find your proper size. You can sell the poor fitting shoes off to recover a bit of your money later
Nice idea for anyone who has more or less standard sized feet. Otherwise...
One thing: It's not true that for most of the time shoes were bespoke. For most of the time lasts were even symmetrical. (Right and left made on the same last.) So no, bespoke as we know it was always a luxury. And shoemakers would use existing lasts.
Oh and on the brannock: I say ignore it and just try on shoes. It only gives two measurements but you don't get forefoot volume, instep, heel curve, heel width... Just to name a few things. For example: I've got 2 sizes higher htb than htt. It's not possible to wear a shoe this size with my feet length. Not only is 2 full sizes up way too much volume, it also affects stride because the tip is too long. And creasing will be way higher with more empty volume. And after trying on a lot of shoes guess which ones are my most comfortable? The ones closer to my htt size of course. 😄
Honestly now that habits are evermore shifting towards online shopping…might be worth it to try to get a government - or even better the largest economical and political entity on the planet: the EU - to standardise shoe sizing since even the same size within the same system is not necessarily the same depending on manufacturer - or even model lines within one brand…
People from the EU please do us unfortunate non-EU citizens the favour and write your representatives ❤
Imagine that…once you know your size you are guaranteed the fit…a consumer’s dream apparently only attainable with regulation, of all things…because for some odd reason the private sector fails consistently to deliver.
Funny this video is here. I have to keep telling my brother that there is a such thing as a size 7 mens. But because we live in the US size 7 are 7y so grade schools which are smaller but the same length. He tells me "I worked at the shoe store, so i know!" But he doesn't ☠️
This is the reason I don’t buy shoes on line. I want to try the shoes on and walk around the stores before I buy them.
For some reason the Asian made sport shoes marked "US size 13" appear to be equal to US size 10 or 11.
I've given up on men's dress shoes or almost all shoes, because of how narrow they are made.
Ohh and I cant forget there are only 4 Last Manufactures at all. Maybe 10 max with Italy and Portugal so this idea it cant be standardized is silly...
Puttin on the Ritz stick.
Why can't they measure the actual size of each shoe model and put it on the label?
Sizing is nonsense. and there needs to be the AMA and Podiatry assoc to come in and standardize it. Theres no reason this cant be done... Not to mention the dress shoe brands, vs Pacific Northwest, UK Northhampton and Continental Europe differences... Just needs to be standardized and regulated...
Old news.
It doesn't happen in civilizated countries using metric system
My - how noble of you to hobnob with us uncivilized people from the USA and UK. What would we possible know about civlization?
@@dandiehm8414He smells french