Expensive Road Bikes Are A WASTE OF MONEY (THE TRUTH) The Cycling Industry Doesn't Want You To Know!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
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lol if I ride 100 watts for an hour 5 times a week I will get way less fit. Strange to me thoughts shared but every right to express it. I’m way slower then you are and my bike costs a lot but I don’t think u need to justify it with ur level of fitness. Don’t know how u can ride while being so lean. Good genetics. Get the hike u can afford and enjoy being fit. Train harder than last time.
Hey Greg, glad you enjoyed the video. Big fan. Would love to a collaboration with you.
Some ideas could be:
Diet of a pro body builder vs a cyclist.
Compare our power outputs on the bike vs lifting weights in the gym 😂
Pro bodybuilder bike set up vs competitive cyclist
I’m open to hear any other ideas 💡 that you would find to be a good collaboration. I feel like we would have a really fun time doing this and offer great content for our viewers to watch!
Hope to hear from you soon. Let’s make this HAPPEN and KEEP PEDALING!
That's an edited comment?! Scarecrow , you need a brain , not a bike. More bloodflow above your neck and less to your legs.
@@whazzat8015 😂🤣
@@Pedaler My money is on Greg winning an 500m sprint, any event of a greater distance and well, thanks for attending Greg...
Greg is everywhere.
Talks too much about his fitness and not really why buying an expensive bike is a waste of money.
Dead right, just goes on and on and on, without getting to the point of the video. wasted my time
This video could have been edited down a lot. The bit about pros was completely unnecessary
The me me me generation.
I couldn't watch the full thing. It got boring quickly when all you heard was talk about fitness. It got so boring, I started to read people's comments...haha!
@@richardevans9465 thanks for the info. Glad i went to the comments first. Didn't watch the vid too.
After riding bikes for more than 30 years, I learned that buying the most expensive bike I can afford made me to ride more. It weakened my wallet but strengthened my health. Sounds a good investment for me.
@@lastlavender5351 True. But if a nice bike helps motivate someone to ride and it is reasonably within their financial capabilities, then it is well worth it in my opinion.
I’m with you. When I see my madone SLR hanging on the wall I wanna ride it 🤣🤣
Big plus is that you don't have enough money left to do anything but train.
@@whazzat8015 Haha.... the point is to buy the most expensive bike you can afford not the most most money can buy.
Same. The ride quality is also really noticeably better
Buy an expensive bike if that’s what you want and you get enjoyment out of it. Its an individuals choice. Don’t shame a cheap bike and don’t shame an unfit rider on an expensive bike. Ride bikes have fun! How many people take their 4x4 pick ups off-roading, or Ferrari’s to the race track. U do U. Whatever puts a smile on your face!
I agree 💯% ..
I agree also
I'm a 70 year old fat guy with an $8000 bike. I enjoy the bike immensely.
I also like high end cars - but I'm no racing driver and don't pretend to be.
Them super professionals bike champions are genetic freaks with a startlingly good VO2 Max.
The average rider cant even get near to them. You cant train your self to be anywhere near the pro's genetic advantages.
It's the old story. - You got it - or you ain't. - Deal with it - don't pretend.
@@lezivanerrol3697 I am an 8000 year old fat guy with a $70 bike. same enjoyment, same balance.
@@whazzat8015 Woweee 8000 years old - two questions.
(a) Did you ride your bike to work when you were working on the pyramids or Stone Henge?
(b) The question we all want to know - How did you build either of those?
Yep, its your bike, do what you want with it. But if you don't ride it you have wasted your money.
Came back to cycling after several years and used my old road bike to get fit on and to se where it took me. Three years later I treated myself to something special, nothing wrong with that. You are right, training and getting your head right comes first and will pay dividends, but I love my dream bike and ride it regularly.
The most expensive road bike is the one not ridden.
Bruh, that's deep and is making me thinking of my older machines gathering dust. I should spend sometime with them soon...
Cycling equipment has crazy diminishing returns. The difference between a mid range bike and a high end bike in terms of mechanical efficiency are single digit percentages, differences in aero making the biggest difference. But in a race situation you are far more likely to lose because you blew your stack with bad tactics or just how the race shapes up rather than because of your equipment. At the highest levels these things add up, but there is no bike out there that makes up for chasing the wrong breakaway or riding outside your limits.
That's a limited understanding.
The guys in the breakaway with faster bikes can not be caught with the same fitness and a slower bike. With a faster bike they can be caught.
And it's not even the aero of the bike, but the position that the bike makes you get int
@@benbraceletspurple9108 speaking of limited understanding! An aero frame and wheels vs a non-aero frame a wheels has a potential benefit of a few seconds in an hour. It not even noticeable. Wind tunnel testing is absolutely useless, and it's all marketing BS. REal world testing proves otherwise. The guys in the breakaway are pushing big watts and have good body positioning. The equipment does almost nothing.
You're bike is as good as the rider, riding it, no matter what bike you're on .🚴♂️🇦🇺
LOL'ing at a lot of the comments here. I have a both an $8,000 SystemSix Hi-Mod and a $600 Allez Steel with upgraded Ultegra components. I'm 5 minutes faster on a local 9 mile stretch of road on my System Six. FIVE MINUTES. The bike matters. Period. If you want to get into the best shape possible, then yeah I'll agree that the bike doesn't matter. If you want to go as fast as possible, then yes the bike and components matter.
I will admit that the performance difference between a $2,500 bike and a $10,000 bike is splitting hairs. Not much difference and you're at the point of diminishing returns.
$8000 carbon whip vs $600 flexy steel whip is rocket ships to apples.
In regards to diminishing returns for amateurs its even more so considering fitness is the biggest factor (ignoring PEDs).
I have a question. Do you think that the new Caad 13 with 105, is the sweet spot? Especially if you could have just one road bike?
Your next video should be: If you have a true passion for cycling, always buy the best bike you can afford!
Idk but if anyone’s looking for a decent hardtail checkout the schwinn moab 3 especially if you want to upgrade it. I got mine, small frame, I’m 5’7 for $650 on Amazon. Their main website last time a checked has some instock for 770$.
Or buy a good second hand bike. I bought 4th hand former pro bike for around 1200 USD, it was well maintained but with a few scratches, and the seller was an enthusiastic cyclist.
My friend was flexing with his new 8000 dolar bike on start line of race and mocking me about my 1500 dolar 10.5kg bike. You can imagine his face when i was droping him on climb in first couple of kilometers of race. :) There is no better feeling. :)
thats the best feeling ! when i can drop some self called PRO" just cause they had some exp and a nice bike, i drop them in the first hill and they were drafting after me, i watched and they were gone, despite of my effort i felt soooo nice
Love that. My problem is getting new riders. Beginners only want high end carbon bike.
@@gnrkulim173 i have to tell you that all i want its some decent wheels, i dont care if its aluminum of carbon, just have to bee decent.
@@raulfernandezperez73 I'm pretty slow, yes I already changed to high end aluminium wheelset. It's better than cheap carbon wheel
@@gnrkulim173 aluminun its good and last longer, yes carbon its lighter and some times more confortable
Two years ago I built my Litespeed C1R bike with 10 speed Ultegra DI2 & rim brakes for just over $1400 and I love it. I see no need to run out and spend a huge amount of cash to "upgrade" from this bike.
The trouble is that the price of bikes has really gone up a lot in the last decade.
as a triathlete the amount of hours that goes into my cycling is insane... but you are right if you are a beginner it will be hard to hit 300 watts plus in the uphill's and feel fast no matter what the bike is .. cycling needs massive leg power and mental strength
Buy a high end used road bike. 3-4 years old. Get a $10k bike for $4k. Riding Pinarello Dogma f8 and paid $2300.
agreed. i will never buy new again
You could get it for half that before the pandemic.
Just got a net cervelo s3 full carbon, wheels etc sram red for 2200... Not disk brakes but good deal tbh
Hahaha got my bike for free, a 1988 Road bike from my grandfather but I did change a lot from it to get it down to 7.7kg and I only spend 400$, I'm dropping all these expensive bike riders at ease.
@@Balmung812 Perzactly!
One could find (prePandemic) a 15-20 year old bike with low mileage, primo componentry, @22 lbs for $200. At 30+ years you have a fine ridable machine, but the gearing will be a bit of reach, 12speeds total and a bit heftier, though with a supple steel frame ride, salable for the investment , should you want something else, with savings in the four figures. After all, who's gonna be there for you later?? your legs or the guys that want to take your money?
cheap bike 2000€, me looking at my 70€ cheap bike !omg
I’m gonna be honest with you and say that I’ve watched your vids before and not subscribed, but this vid made me want to sub because I think this fitness first mentality is needed to help people with less money get into the sport! Great content and I look forward to more.
That's totally true now ived decided to buy a cheap bike now and improve my health, getting fit while saving for my future dream bike.
@@Ridesinsta360 which more reasonably priced bike are you going to go for Anthony?
One thing I noticed was the more expensive the bike the more it is suited for pros so it’s lighter and all the parts wear quicker.
I finally treated myself this year (because of pandemic there was just more time to bike). I am poor so spending a whole months salary on a bike is a huge deal for me. And once I did I was really intimidated, actually apologizing to my Orbea because I was not getting the most use of this amazing bike. Like it deserves to be with someone that can push it to it's limits. But taking it out every day I could feel that I was getting more and deserving, not faster at all, but overall much stronger and I knew that I could push myself more and ride for longer.
Because I bought a more expensive bike I really felt that I had to earn it, so it resulted in me biking more, getting fitter and stronger (losing 10kg this 'pandemic season' alone). And now I even wake up in the morning without thinking about what the weather is like outside, just go and bike anyways. I live in Norway so now it's pretty dark and pretty cold most of the time, but the joy I get pedaling around kinda beats that.
How I've love to ride a bike in Norway I heard the wether is nice out there. My bucket list for a long time.
Being poor in Norway its not being poor at all 🤣 in my country you can literaly buy a car bases in the price of these bikes
poor with $2000+ bike🤔. not vey poor at all
@@Kevinschart closer to 3000, so yes that month and the next two months after that I was poor. But it was a good investment. And a nice gift to myself that keeps on giving.
You are poor and can buy a bike with a monthly wage? Fuck off, monthly wage in my country is 200 dollars and that buys no bike.
There was some ultra endurance track runner in my town, his friend made him hop on a bike and he cycled that thing like a rotor engine. So he suggested he enter some amateur cycling race, and he entered with a single speed bike. Everyone thought he was crazy, but he won like 2 races before they disqualified him for "being on steroids". Moral is if you're in good shape, it doesnt matter if other people's bikes are made of carbon or even platinum.
@Vicki Peterson Nope, he was just one of those real life superhumans that runs like 20 kilometers a day as routine. Like i said he's an ultra endurance runner. People like him get nicknamed "Diesel" cuz they just keep going and going, i heard of another one like him in the news recently so they are not that rare.
If you like the feel of quality components, and don't have or don't want to spend a lot of money, an older high-end bike with low miles is a good option. I actually enjoy riding some of the older steel bikes more than newer carbon bikes.
And I tend to ride more often and stay out longer when I enjoy the ride. So I get better exercise while enjoying it more.
Fitness determines performance... amen. Recently started back cycling on a used Felt Z5 and I have to get myself in shape. This is the bike I will use to do it.
I recently bought a second hand scott gravel bike for $650 cash at a coffee shop to use as my commuter to the gym and just stop driving my car. My last dope trek road bike (~$2200)was stolen.... so I’ve been without wheels for three years, and this second hand buy got me back on the road!! This video hits dead on with making smarter choices with your dollar, and making sure the real machine (your body) is at peak condition! New sub dude!
Greatly appreciate! Bummer to hear about the stolen bike but glad your making best with what you got. All the best.
I’m gonna get a 700 dollar Poseidon X cause of the versatility and price, I thought it was quite pricy until I saw the prices of other bikes
Pedalar, new sub here. I love your videos, I'm also from Toronto. Just picked up my first road bike, a second hand Specialized Tarmac SL2 with 105 componentry and a second hand Tacx Flux S.
Your content is inspiring, keep up the amazing work!
Sweet setup! I’m a big believer in buying secondhand.. let someone else pay the premium for new and shiny, then take it off their hands a few years later for a fraction of the price 👍🏻
@@Oakpathetics thanks! I recently picked up cycling and it doesn't make sense to me buying brand new, especially when I'm not sure if I even like/love it. Actually, I'm addict to cycling 😎💯
You sir are dropping some serious logic! I’ve been drooling over the more expensive bikes, shopping to jump from a aluminum frame “gravel bike” to a carbon frame and feeling the pull that I should get the way more expensive electric shift super light race bike when in reality I’m never going to race in crit, over weight but getting lighter and stronger thanks to the tacx trainer and Zwift lol and pushing 40... 105 will be the next for me! Riding out of halton hills Ontario. Great vids!
It's great hearing you're increasing your fitness and it'd ironic you mentioned a carbon gravel bike with electronic shifting which I have and I don't think it's worth it and wished I would have got mechanical and saved some $$$. Keep the good work up!!!
Thanks for sharing your experience and motivation! Did you do any stretching or strength training to get your results?
Fitness is clearly key. Diet is a major part of fitness. Eat well. Train well. But also buy the best bike you can if it’s what you enjoy. Life is short. I’m just buying a nice custom build Titanium bike. It’s a thing of joy and beauty. No harm in expensive gear. But I’d never go into debt for it.
@@jamsxr I went to the Enigma. Completely custom build. I'm 56. Dont smoke. Dont drink. May as well have one before I die.
Totally agree, the weight savings is 2 lbs? A must if you are a pro, silly for cyclist enthusiasts.
Exactly. As an enthusiast you're already putting that weight back on the bike with water bottles lol.
Great video makes a load of sense. Love to see more videos focussed on training. I'm a zwift user too would be interested to know what plans / workouts you follow
Can relate! I love my old 2013 TCR Advance 2 (10sp 105). I ended up getting a new ultegra groupset (r8000 11sp). I'm rebuilding it and putting my r5700 10sp 105 on my commuter bike. Dedicating my money and time on fixing my old bike because then it means more when I build it up myself.
Next vlog is how you train, structured training how to get stronger and faster for common cyclists like me 95 kgs.
👀🤭 one step ahead of me
Totally agree. Why worry grams in bike, if rider has kilos of extra weight. I bought entry price bike with wider gravel tires, which makes riding very comfortable and I can take trips to places which are beyond road bike. I mostly drive road but occasionally it's fantastic to drive dusty gravel road or totally dark sideroads with super bright lamp.
There is a saying for the message of your 19 min video summerized in 4 words:
"look Pro , go Slow"
Money can buy you speed! But most of the gains are only on long and/or high watts rides so I do agree with you that for 99% of riders a mid range bike ($2000- $4000) is more then enough! And that it more important to focus on improving fitness, endurance and physical strength then being obsessed with the bike.
True, but the person who trained an has is going to beat the person who hasn't on a hill climb, completely irrespective of bike cost.
Direct to consumer bikes from ribble are sub $1,000 even sub $800. The days of lbs ripoffs are over.
Lmao I've had terrrrible 5th hand bikes with terrible allignment, geartrain, and weighed 35+ lbs. Anything 25lbs or below is a dream...and I'm buying a 18.5 lbs Madone SL6 tomorrow ✨
@@Nostalgiaforinfi But by the time you pay someone to assemble and tune it correctly you might as well have bought a discounted name brand bike.
I'm with you. The advanced aluminum frames from Cannondale, BMC, Trek, and Specialized are all excellent, and so is the midrange carbon. Match with 105, Rival, or even Tiagra, and you have a very satisfying ride.
I need ur opinion please... am getting into biking regularly... which one u reckon i go for - Java Siluro 3 2019 or the 2010 Specialized Allez Elite Saxo Bank edition?
Good message. More of these videos please. Thanks. Whats your weight Flux on and off season?
Agree. When you are lost , it doesn't make much difference, what your bike weighs, or how fast you pedal.
So glad I subscribed to this channel. Thanks bro!
No worries all the best! Appreciate the support
Amazing insights and great points ! Love this info
Hey, Bro thank you for knocking in my head and open it up, what you discussed in this vlog hit me hard and its true, thank you...
Great video, honest, very detailed. I started with a $1400 entry level tiagra bike and will follow this advice as I progress. Thanks!
All the best!
Love the passion! After the first of the year let’s get fit.
You know it 🦾
It's not a waste of money if money is no object. If you have to take a second mortgage to get that super bike, then it doesn't make sense. But those who have ridden superbikes vs. the middle of road carbon with tiagra components can all agree that the ride on the superbike is much, much sweeter.
Hi. I have a Giant TCR 2020 105 Kom, but just bought an "expensive" Canyon Ultimate SL Disc Etap Force. Why? Because the Giant really felt shitty, and I felt cheated. I do not regret, there is no comparison between them, although I will keep the TCR for the trainer.
Nah. How much money is in the bank doesnt determine whether some is a "waste".
What does is $$$ invested vs performance improvement outcomes (or just outcomes if we want to include things like emotional outcomes).
Imagine running a business where the CEO says "who cares we have a of money". No one would think investing in something with minimal or shit returns is OK because theres more money.
Yes totally agree you put the effort in you're cycling you will get the results I am on a giant tcr advanced 2017 and I love it ,Iam still learning and I would love to get on a more modern bike down the track when I am better in group rides and faster, and I love the fitness of cycling and I like to test myself on the hills , thanks for the info, like you're channel .
Alex .
Perth WA .🚴♂️🇦🇺
In the market for a new bike and torn about spending more or less money. Greta topic. Thanks.
It would be great if you did a diet/calorie intake/amount of calories used (when you got into great shape). Or the plan you used. Love the videos
hey man, very insane dedication you got there!
Do you have a top 5 bikes you recommend for what you talking about. because I'm looking to take my fitness to the next level but like you said I'm not trying to break the bank either
IT's the truth, they are a waste of money.. You'll get even a greater work out on a heavier, dept store bike. Train heavy, race light.
I totally agree with this!! I started my cycling journey on a heavier Hybrid bike and bought myself my first road bike, nothing to expensive. My weight-loss and fitness level have excelled because I trained hard on a heavier bike 👌🏽
There is a middle ground, department store bikes are unlikely to fit or operate well and the fancy options (disk brakes) are of such low quality that they are nothing more than an annoyance.
For a beginner I would suggest a bike that FITS, uses common durable components, enough gear range for their fitness/terrain and starting with new cables, pads and a tune up.
Suggested upgrade path would start at the contact points; bibs, saddle, shoes, pedals, bar tape.
Continue until they are comfortably riding a reliable steed.
Materials do matter, carbon does a very nice job dampening vibrations and flexing where you want it, but not where you don't. I've never ridden an alu fork that wasn't awful.
Going to vintage steel is a mixed bag, they are very soft and noodle like, but you'll need to know how to work on them, got your cone wrenches handy? Downtube shifters are bombproof, annoying, but super simple to adjust correctly. Oh and that 6 speed 11-24 freewheel... Not what i would recommend for a new rider.
@@All4Grogg buying 2 bikes in my sizes during a pandemic was a miracle let alone the quality. That was a gain for me
@@JeBaSIINGH23 yeah it's a difficult time for it, but somewhat unfortunately I'll bet that a year from now the used market is going to explode. I have a very short (4'10ish) coworker, my god, her options are nearly non-existent for a road bike.
@@All4Grogg I'm thinking the same thing! I'm planning on upgrading when that happens!!! Oh man I know how it feels, I bought the only 49 in all of my city... GTA yup it was a tough find
I want to argue with you because of my decision to own expensive bikes, but you're right. Also, I used to have a 2016 TCR Advanced SL identical to yours. What do you think of yours? I felt that the ISP made the ride too stiff. The 2021 TCR 105 is killer.
Hello from Paris ! Nice video. I often see riders buying high end bikes with Dura Ace and finally downgrading the spare parts and components to 105 because of the price. I prefer 105 and good wheels.
Comes down to just go out there and ride with whatever you have, no excuses. I am a rower who have been injured for 3 months, rib fracture which has been super slow to heal. Did some cycling to keep some of my fitness before the snow hit( live in northern Sweden). The bike I used was a 1970 grandma 2 speed city cruiser with wobbly wheels, heavy as hell and a faulty second gear that forced me to mainly use first( it's a pretty cool bike, only has a coaster brake and you shift by breaking).
Of course I was looking for something else to use but couldn't find someone selling a racer in my small town so just used what I had.
Did 2h-2h30m rides on that cruiser everyday for a month. Best speed I could manage on the bike was a session were I did 49 km in almost exactly 2h, fairly flat, no wind, mostly riding car roads and going pretty much all out.
So incredibly slow bike but why would speed matter unless you are using it for transportation or competing? Obviously you would want a racing bike and not a cruiser since an upright posture prevents using power to an extent and also you would want access to lots of gears. Other than that though I don't see why not something like an old cheap vintage racer wouldn't work for most people . It's not like your body can tell the difference between a slow and fast bike. You will gain fitness in just the same way.
A cheap vintage racer is precisely what I am trying to find now. Cycling was pretty fun so figured I would keep cycling as cross training after winter.
Spring is coming and with it comes cycling season hell yeah.
Great video which makes a lot of sense.
Life's to short to not buy the bike you want.. Or 2 or 3 😂
Yolo....!!
My brother with aluminum road bike sweeps carbon cyclist in our town and he was known for sweeping lightweights bicycle everytime he ride and participate to a boundary race,what they don't know is that he used pedaling a mega weight of steel bicycle when he was a kid and there he got his power dude, it's not the bike it's your leg
I follow a few pros on Strava and they average 50-100 miles a day with 5,000-10,000 feet climbs. Not many people have the time for that much riding.
You can still achieve very good fitness will low amounts of kilometres. Training + Diet need to be optimized to achieve peak performance.
Kms dont really matter. Time in zone does. And you need to understand what zone does what in regards to physiological changes.
Alternative: 10-year-old high end bikes have fantastic performance, are very light and cost $1000-1500. Still have my 2004 Cannondale full Dura-Ace road racer and it would not be the limiting factor for someone trying to go fast.
Amazing video! Big thumbs up from belgium!
Appreciated!!!
Yes please. Can you share your training plan for that insane weight loss
I still don’t understand why I can’t be superfit and also ride the best bike
Great video!! Definitely recommend a bikefit especially the bike on your tacx at 9:30min - sitting a bit high which is causing you to rock on the saddle and open your ankle through the bottom of the pedal stroke . Give you more comfort and maximise your efficiency! Great channel! Look forward to your next videos!!!
Appreciated and I mentioned this in previous videos that clip of me on the trainer was me recording my position before I did an at home bike fit which I ended up lowering my saddle height. Thanks for the encouragement!
@@Pedaler Cool man! Just discovered your channel today so will catch up on the previous videos!
All the best!!
I like what you just said. If your not a pro all your doing is wasting your money. Like myself, when I was riding, I never used clip-less peddles, just toe straps and I did fine. But you are right about what you said; everything you said. Peace!!!!
Much appreciate safe riding!
I'm from Buffalo. I feel your pain on the cold weather stuff. 105 and carbon is definitely the sweet spot. Once you go DI2 though it's hard to go back.
I have Etap and have ridden Di2. And unless paid to ride them I would choose mechanical.
Do you do other exercise other than cycling to get the AB part out? Like situps or pushups? And do you drink coffee? They say it makes you bloat...
Thanks
No coffee and no exercise other than cycling.
have had a tcr advaced2 since 2012. it weighs 17lbs, like what else do you need. i get a new bike it will be a way cheaper china bike like windspace
@Pedaler Can you make a video about what you eat on a daily basis. Changing my eating habits is the hardest part of getting fit for me.
I'm riding a Bianchi 928L (2007) invested in a good groupset Dura-Ace 7800 10 speed. And dropping race geometry, disc aero bikes owners from the group. The only thing I'm looking forward to is adding modern shifters.
You are so right. I started road cycling with a $7.7k BMC Roadmachine last July. In Oct, I found a 2012 BMC Aluminum frame, built it up with sourced together R8000 groupset. My aluminum bike rides better and I ride better than the expensive bike. As you stated, I am not in shape enough to push the new bike. I’d like to know more about getting into better shape. Oh btw, I’m much older
105 + carbon frame + carbon wheels = perfect
what is so wrong with aluminium wheels? can anyone xplain?
Have a look at Winspace Hyper carbon wheels they retail for $1100 from China. Brilliant reviews.
I paid through the nose for Ultegra on my Cannondale and, although I’m pleased with it, I will definitely not be buying it again as 105 is more than enough. To be honest, I may even go with Tiagra....
@T D I watched his other video where he said it gives a 30 sec advantage over the course of a race. To me this doesn't justify the cost, as I use it for fitness. For ride quality I use 28c ))
I rode with the Italian Olympic team on the roads of Rio in 2016 and I felt like they were on motorcycles, so hard they can ride. I couldn't keep up for 2 minutes!
Awesome
Reality is most people don't want to make the time to train(me included sometimes). The other reality is that some people have $ burning a hole in their pocket and want something nice even if they aren't that fast or super competitive.
I see your point and agree that training is far better for your experience than trying to buy speed but one is easy and one isn't, let's see what most people pick...
Great to hear you are fit , i think if you race a expensive bike is dodgy unless someone else is paying for it , but a really lovely bike is about how it makes you feel , like cars we don't need to be formula 1 drivers to drive a Ferrari
When u pedal down stroke Your legs Way too extended like chopping ...... lower saddle at least 1-2 cm and more saddle back by 3 mm-5 mm for better knee control and power
I get this comment a lot, in the video that was me recording my current position and then changing it once I reviewed the clip. I did lower it down. (I filmed it as I was doing my own bike fit/ correction) thanks!
with the saddle too high , the leg remains extended for 2 or 3 cm of pedal movement at the 6 o'clock position. This is lag. It must be made up somewhere. The result is an excessively high acceleration at the 9 o'clock position (upswing). The knee angle should close up instantly after full leg extension.
I always say the difference between a 3000 dollar bike and a 12000 dollar bike is about 2 pounds!
Thanks buddy. I really need it this advice. I have an aluminum focus bike and I thought ti change it to an expensive bike. Not make any sense. A big hello from Colombia.
I ride a Trek checkpoint ALR and the only place I struggle keeping up with Tarmacs and Emondas is on the climbs. There you really really feel the weight but otherwise most people on more expensive bikes around here are less fit than I am or too muscular in the wrong places, especially the upper body. My biggest argument for staying aluminum though is how I use my bike. I can't justify the mental cage an expensive bike would put me in. This ALR went for 1200$ on sale and it lets me get out there so I can scratch it up without it killing me and live the way I want to live. That's my argument to stay within my budget and capabilities. A more expensive bike would personally make me a worse, more anxious rider.
I hear what your saying. I think the sports car analogy best fits the point your making. Wealthier people typically may not be the fittest.
I live in switzerland. In summer its warm to hot not too hot and in winter its freezing cold sub zero. I ride the bike 2h a day for comuting to and from work. Iam warm in winter and fresh in summer. Why? Because I use qualuty clothing.
So honest and true!!!
but yeah, I'll stick to my alloyframe-alloyfork-Claris endurance-fit bike ($800) than the "beginner" carbon bike with 105 groupset ($2000) (C'mon man it isn't entry-level... Lol...)
{there is a price difference of $1200}
I can get fitter on the current bike I have and compete... Thanks!!!!
Subbed!!!!
Safe riding and thank you.
i have a Kouta kharma carbon fiber 2008...but still have it,and invest Giant TCR advanced disc 2021 just couple months ago. but to invest this kind of bike its worth it.
honestly i invest this bike for my health, now i'm 52 years old and still going strong:)
I used to be like you, training with a cheap bike. But One day I was training hard and felt a sudden lack in moral due to the piece zhiet I was riding. Thats when I realized I needed Chris Froomes bike and that changed my life
True. My bike was 3k when I bought it. I got in great form with it for the last 3 years then I started swapping for upgrades. The upgrades smoothen and make the ride better when you have the fitness up. Not just an expensive bike. Eddy Mercx said, "don't buy upgrades, ride up grades."
Here are a highly experienced pro cyclist's common sense evaluations:
ruclips.net/video/NF4MIEkIBZs/видео.html
He also has some additional videos on this topic.
The wives of all cyclists will love you for their side of the argument 😂
True
Counter argument : Age edge
Yeah, because i guess women don't ride bikes.
Enjoying the video. I'm 67 and bought a $1300 USD ebike 49.7 lbs. After six months, I totally ride with the motor off. I do an hour of cardio and Total Gym resistance training daily for the past year. Road are gravel and asphalt. Looking for a non ebike, anything under 25 lbs will be awesome. Oh yeah, I lost 30 lbs doing this. Same as getting a lighter bike.
I agree that training and fitness will determine your overall ability to be competitive either in your local group ride or at the racing level. My first major bike was a Specialized Rock Hopper hard tail circa 1999. I still have it to this day! I paid $800 USD. I do think a mid-level bike will satisfy 90% of the riders out there. On the road, I have been riding an Orbea Opal TDA circa 2007, full dura-ace and Mavic Ksyrium SL rims. I haven't changed or replaced a single component other than tires and inner tubes. Complete Bike weight is little over 18 (8.2 KG) lbs. I originally paid $2500 USD, well below retail at the time (got a deal from friend/bike shop owner.) It wasn't cheap, but far less expensive comparatively to other bikes out there. This bike has proven itself on various types of roads over the years. I wasn't in great shape when I first purchased this bike and had trouble keeping up with some hard core group rides. Within about 6 months of heavy training and dropping 15 lbs or so, I was able to consistently keep up and even handle some long pulls. I have been looking at possibly replacing this bike and feel that I don't need to pay more than $2500 USD again even if a went with say, a Shimano 105 set up with similar wheels, handlebars, etc. At the end of day, if you have the money then by all means, spend 10K on a bike, but it won't make you a better or faster bike rider. Who needs to win a group ride by a few seconds? Growing up as a kid, I rode a cheap huffy dirt bike and had a blast!
This is kind of pointless really. I have an s-works venge, I’m a good rider but definitely not a professional racer and I probably don’t get the maximum that the bike can offer but I love riding it, it feels great and I can afford it. It’s like 90% of people who drive Porsche 911 GT3s, they too are probably not racing car drivers but they love the the feeling of the car and the engineering behind it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it and there’s no point in hating on such people. For that matter I should tell you that you should work harder so you can actually afford to ride the bike you actually want but I won’t because that too is a silly statement.
Agree.
When we talk about "you should buy this and that", somebody must categorize group of people first. Then talk about thing "they should buy".
In many cases, rich people and pro cyclist must exclude from the discussion. Rich people can buy whatever they want and pro cyclist get sponsored.
The only thing that make people hate to each other in non-pro world because when expensive bike owner look down to cheap bike owner and the minivelo smoked them all and everybody offended😅 Not all, probably in some cases.
This hateness not only in bike world, most cases in this maniac materialistic world such cars, handphone, motorbike, toys, rc, clothing etc. Same hateness occur. This drama will keep going forever.
Probably we also need this kind of argument/drama for company to make less expensive bike better.
I agree there shouldn’t be hating on expensive bikes as everyone’s financial situation is different.. a spesh aethos could be 1 day salary for some and if they want to enjoy nice things, good on them.. I think this applies to most of us who are thrifty.. no doubt the best gains are achieved from fitness. I’ve also become a lot more cynical about the bike manufacturers marketing BS.
Your comment is completely valid, but there's nothing more fun than picking out the guy on the 5 - 10k bike on a ride an ensuring you're ahead of them. To me, they are nothing but motivation to try harder...
@@aaron___6014 ‘your equipment’ has many meanings...😛😛.... and no you don’t want fault equipment....
yup, your last statement was silly
You got a point regarding fitness to ride. As an older rider (61), fitness is paramount to your incentive to ride, regardless of the amount of money spent to buy a bike. I've ridden with guys bikes that are 20+ yrs old and they routinely drop guys on expensive bikes, because of their fitness level. I have worked hard on my fitness to ride my bikes, because the fitter you are the more you're going to enjoy riding. It doesn't matter whether it's a $1,500 or $10,000 bike, I'm going ride either one at the same speed.
Great to hear your enjoying riding. Keep crushing it!
I would trade riding on a zwift for riding outdoors in Arizona when it's 115f any day of the week. Nothing can replace being outdoors and getting fresh air and negative ions.
Another Awesome video so true 🙏
Getting new equipment can help motivate you. Knowing that there are no excuses left and it's down to you to push. Nothing wrong with enjoying gadgets and buying upgrades if it keeps you in the saddle. It's all part of the show.
Well said
I have only been riding for 2 years, after having not riding for over 40 years, and have gone through two road bikes before I settled in on a Pinarello Gan. I found out quality matters as does the material, from starting out with a steel frame Bianchi, to an aluminum frame with a carbon fork Bianchi which was fast but didn't have the quality ride as the Gan. I agree with many of the comments on this thread, buy a bike you can afford, new or used, and ride to your capability. I would love to have a Dogma F8 or F12, but it doesn't make sense for me being 67 and only do light competitions.
I don't think you need the most expensive but there is definitely a difference between a cheap Walmart bike and an entry level Trek, Giant, Specialized, Bianchi, etc.
I've found the ultra cheap bikes from Walmart, box stores are super heavy, poorly built group sets, poor sizing/geometry and no help.
My first reentry to cycling was a used Specialized Dolce for 500 which was far lighter and fit me so much better than my ancient steel Schwinn. Great bike, got me to want to ride more. Next bike was an entry level carbon bike for 1700, got me to want to ride even more. Then came the gift of my Bianchi Oltre XR3 and that bike has really changed my viewpoint about pricing. Lightest bike I've ever had, most comfortable/best fitting bike I've ever had, best shifting, etc. All in all I see myself riding that bike forever and wanting to ride it every day.
It isn't necessary to spend a fortune in order to get a decent bike.
Great video! I totally agree with your opinion!
Thanks!
Thank you for this video. I've ridden across the u.s. many times, both n-s/s-n & w-e/e-w. I've either gone WalMart or craigslist and usually a $200 budget.
Same issue while hiking PCT, people love to spend thousands of dollars on something they'll use for 4-6 months.
It's a waste of money for most people, certainly if it's only a bike for weekend/sunday rides. Those folks buy a €5000+ bike for riding an average speed of hardly 25km/h, that is just plain ridiculous.
I could agree with some things you’ve mentioned. BUT... if you a passionate about cycling buy a bike thats the MOST you can afford! If you go cheap, that’ll only make you think of upgrading every time you get on it and see others with better gear, specially if you have potential. Getting a cheap bike will only make it more expensive in the future!
Im blessed and had the opportunity to get a 7k bike and I love it. Dont think of selling it anytime soon, in fact unless I crash, frame gets damage, I dont see myself changing it. It has everything I want and need in a bike as a competitive cyclist.
Another point: if expensive it will hold its value due to better group-sets, carbon rims and frame.
A cheap bike will not hold its value, it will be harder to get most of money you paid for at beginning and buying another Cheap bike will not fix your desire to get the best you can afford.
I didnt go Cheap and I could have gone that route and saves prob 4-5k.
But Im happy and love my bike. Motivated me to wake up early or ride late after work. 😉
If you are just testing if you like cycling is another story. Rent or use a friends bike before even buying a “cheap” bike because even then it will cost you 2-3k which is not easy money to drop on bike for most people.
If you are just using it for indoors (swift), no brainer, get a Walmart bike and connect to Wahoo or Tacx whatever you have.
I live in Florida, everything is flat around here. I wanted an AERO FRAME bike which typically go higher in price that normal climbing or lighter frame models. At the end, it depends how serious you are and how deep your pockets are.
I have won multiple cat 2 races on Chinese carbon and 105
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