Of fu*king course they pick the OCU block 15 with no HMD instead of MLU block 20 with HMD capabilitie that RTAF also have. Why don't just use MLU block 20? I don't know if our F-16AM have the same kit that the AM in Benelux tree have(extra CM and MAWs) but atleast it will get HMD. Why pick OCU block 15 when there is better variant? Pretty sure that our MLU block 20 doesn't have any game breaking kit that prevent them from choosing it.
also OCU doesnt even have the Radar to actually use aim 120 irl. so they shouldnt even work on it to begin with. without them it could be comfortable at 13.0 if its gets its missing Flare/chaff dispensers.
Personally, i think that gaijin should fix their fuckup and replace the OCU with the MLU. Of course they wont and they will just make it wildly unrealistic just to make it competent. Or they will pull a classic and add it next update making the grind for the thai gripen even longer
Anything would've been better than this... - Fixed Thai OCU would have no AMRAAM (lower BR), AGM-65G-2 and 120 countermeasures - Thai ADF could've been added alongside it as air to air F-16 (like the US F-16A folder) with AMRAAM and 120 countermeasures as well - eMLU upgrade could've combined both by essentially being the OCU but with thermal pod, HMD, APG-68(V)9 radar and AMRAAM I have no idea how they chose such a bad option when literally everything else could've been amazing
@@mike7074 i grinded the Rafale with the f16am and I don't think it needs HMD for radar it's a very good plane you need to switch between tower ACM and regular ACM and you can do almost anything you can do with HMD you just need to be good at switching the ACM
Lost what should have been an easy dogfight with the CS4 Mirage to a Su-33 cause one of his radar missiles (probably an R-27) just so happens to proxy on me leaving me unable to aim properly (skill issue definitely involved, but wouldn't have been a problem if it didn't damage me). The gambling mostly happens when you're flying straight from my experience but I don't know anymore.
Gaijin has mixed many things into this F-16, as far as I know, actual Block 15 OCU (Lighting 103rd Squadron) of RTAF haven't been upgraded at all. Which by Gaijin adding AIM-120A is just "Balancing". Only the Viper 403rd Squadron, the Block 15 OCU is upgraded to eMLU standard, technically European MLU but better radar.
It definitely won't be way-too-late, especially considering the fact that AESA radars aren't even modelled properly yet, so it's not like it being in the game now instead of later(when more nations will get jets with AESA radars) takes away it's moment to shine
@@bish189 Bold of you to assume AESA radar is modelled incorrectly since Gaijin has already came out and said AESA radars won't be as ground breaking as the players think. Not to mention the event Kfir which was hyped by Gaijin because of its AESA radar (in the devblog), and yet it's just a faster scanning PD radar. Right now I'm on the opinion that THIS is what AESA will be in game, later models will just scan faster or whatever >so it's not like it being in the game now instead of later(when more nations will get jets with AESA radars) takes away it's moment to shine Yeah that's kinda my point the F-2 was the first production fighter with an AESA, it should have been the first in game, and even if we ignore the historical significance, it's still just a fatass F-16 with no HMD or any advanced avionics (aside from AESA obviously). Later AESA planes are VASTLY superior to the F-2, even a basic F-15 with AESA, let alone a Typhoon or Gripen
Buddy, when the F2 hits the deck it will probably have by far, the very best radar in the game lol, only when we get gen 5 and late rafale/typhoon blocks/tranches will they be at F-2 levels of radar
@@yester8039definitely not once the F-15E and C get their AESA they will be better than the F-2 keep in mind it was the first plane to get AESA along with the F-15J and also keep in mind the F-15E will hands down get the BEST radar of the aesa equipped planes
@@bish189 Bold of you to assume AESA are modelled "incorrectly" according to Gaijin. They just hyped up a new event vehicle (in the devblog) for having AESA, yet it's just a faster scanning PD, the Rafale is also just a faster scanning PD, not to mention Gaijin already said AESA won't be as ground breaking as players think. Right now I think later AESA will just have faster scan rate >, so it's not like it being in the game now instead of later(when more nations will get jets with AESA radars) takes away it's moment to shine That's kinda my point, the F-2 was the first production fighter to have an AESA, so it naturally should've been the first to get one in game, but even with its historical significance aside, the F-2 is still just a bigger F-16 that turns better, it doesn't have any advanced avionics (aside from the obvious AESA) and it doesn't have an HMD either, later AESA planes will be VASTLY superior to the F-2, even just an F-15 with AESA, let alone a Typhoon or Gripen
Id rather not have amraams on this PoS. Replace the AJ with this and give it 7Fs or 7Ms and it'll be perfect. Replace this with the eMLU and then it's perfect
@PerciusLive Top Tier BR decompression exclusively based on either generations and or game battle data is a must. Gaijin purposefully not adding in AMRAAMs to the Italian export versions is criminal considering they actually did have amraams on the Upgraded conversions and B models. then the nerve to place it at 12.7 where it can be uptiered to AMRAAM IRCCM territory with aim 7Ms and 9L's only for the ADV is hogwash, honestly. The fact that a Tornado ADV/IDS (1995) alongside, can potentially face AMRAAM-A's, the variants.. etc is insane. The only solace is that I have the F2000A now.
The OCU wasn't even capable of using AMRAAM. The only Thai F-16s that had AIM-120 compatible radars are the ADF and (e)MLU. Gaijin botched this one *horribly.* The Thai subtree should've gotten the OCU at 13.0, the ADF (with AMRAAM) at 13.3, and the (e)MLU at 13.7.
It'd be cool to have the F-2, at least it would be unique in its loadout with different A2A Missiles. Visually its a big bigger with a different wing and elevator shape. Surely has to be in the pipeline for Japan at some point.
Although it has 2 more missiles because of the wings and an AESA radar. Wich wouldn't be hard to model but honestly I suspect that we get a F2 until the September patch if not sooner
F-4F KWS should be 12.7, but then it'll still stomp 11.7, just Gaijin being dumb as usual, reduce full uptiers from 1.0 to 0.7 it'll be a much better expercience for both downtiers and uptiers
Like no, a Phantom shouldn't be at the same br as F-15As, high end MiG-29s, Su-27 and more because it gets 4 amraams. Why are F-14B and IRIAF 12.7 wiwh better flight perfs for the B and comparable missiles for the IRIAF then ?!
Gaijin: we heard that Japan's grind to top tier is bad so we added Thai fighters to make Japan's top tier worth it also Gaijin: makes the top tier Thai fighters ass
The Belgian F-16A is worse. With the Thai MLU, you can do all chaff and launch all of your AMRAAMS at the start of the game. The Belgian F-16A gets uptiered to 13.7 or 14.0 pretty much every game and you only have AIM-9M's. It's basically a JAS-39A with no HMD, a worse flight model, and you can't take BOL pods on sidewinder pylons. Before the last update, it was 13.3 despite only having AIM-9M's.
What? The Belgian F-16A is literally the best F-16A in the game . The problem it has it’s its constant uptiers, not the plane itself. I used to be able to get pretty consistent down tiers to fight F-4Ss and stuff with it (which it absolutely seal clubs), so it’s problem is BR compression in general.
@@georgefeldman5647 You got full downtiers at 13.3 when it was added to the game with FOX-3's? The Mig-29G was 12.7 when the Belgian F-16A was 13.3 but it has R-73's and R-27ER's.
@@BENKYism my bad, it WAS the best one in the game. When it was first added to the game it was 12.0 (before the brackets got moved up 0.7). At that BR it was getting plenty of down tiers to F-4Ss. 12.0 with Aim-9Ms. At the time of release it was literally the most OP jet in the history of War Thunder. Then they overtired it to compensate for how gratuitously OP it was at its launch. It has the record for the highest kill streak from a single vehicle in all game modes.
2:25 it seems that since the multipath changes, dropping missiles from top down is more consistent with killing multipathers, not because of splash damage but because they come top down, so even with multipathing, the missile will still hit or proxy directly on you rather than hitting the ground anyways. solution: you have to stay below the launched missile and get into a notch relative to the missile radar, then you can defeat the missile without the usage of chaff. (it is still hard to make this work to be clear, the low countermeasure count sucks)
@GeneralLee2000 well! in that case, gg lmao. should've dodged the splash damage fragments skill issue /j probably better to try to go into a notch even at low altitude, but I recognize this is oftentimes not feasible if you're at multipath height in the first place
it is identical to the f16AM, but with fewer countermeasures. both should be 13.3 along with jf17. f 16AM does not have HMD, the plane's x-ray says it has it, but it does not, only ACM
Like I said in the video, it does have HMD, just not radar HMD. It slaves the sidewinders, which considering I usually run 2 is useful... This has nothing.
not to mention the F16 MLU which is missing the majority of its armament: 90 flare, aim 9P4, aim 9M, aim 120, GBU, GNSS bomb, another version of the maverick
Brother got spooked so hard he switched to sim controls after the missile was trashed. Anyway thanks for the advice since I have access to the Thailand tree and will be grinding it out soon. This F16 looks like its one of the 13.7s that will get slammed by the Su-33 so im just not gonna grind it and stick to the F-5T SCU. It baffles me how this thing comes at 13.7 also since the MiG-29SMT is at 13.3 and while having a horrible FM, at least gets HMD and a lot of countermeasures to go with its R-77s.
They need to bring back 100m multipathing and re-buff notching/multipathing. The emphasis on buffing radar missiles sets a bad precedent for future changes. Eventually AESA radars and AESA missiles, which are mostly immune to but the most perfect notching will be added (Gaijin WILL have to make AESA weaponry better somehow) and going cold will be your only option pretty much. It's like the jet version of naval top tier (without AI targets) where no ships want to shoot at each other and just hide behind cover all day. In this case it will be running back to the airfield. This won't be a issue if there's no module grind and that the game is balanced with no uptiering, but it is not, and it will make the jet grind so much worse than it is right now.
I believe the F16A in the French tech tree is a good contender as one of the « worst » f16. While it does have more countermeasures and HMD for its missiles, it’s quite is quite lacking. Unlike most (all?) other 13.0 jets, it completely lacks any form of radar missiles. Which was doable before the ARH arrived and IR missiles were the META, but is incredibly underpowered when most games are 13.7-14.0 and ARH are flying all around. The AIM9Ms are good, but not good enough to warrant this plane fighting top tier most of the time
@@pandoranbias1622 One of the most terrible experiences you can have. Literally every single match is a full uptier so being "only" at 12.7 is a moot point.
@@Cloud_Stratus Fully agree the uptiers is what ruins the plane The plane is great on its own but then you get uptiered to 13.7 and see nearly every top tier plane with fox 3 And you only get 60cm total and you dont even have a sparrow Just the shitty 9L that even a premium player that accidentally drops a flare will evade Meanwhile everyone else is slinging 9M and Aim-120 at you
The F-16 OCU might as well be a high tier premium plane. It has the same amount of flares & chaff as the F4s Phantom. F-16 OCU not a bad plane as well not a great plane. Same goes for the F4s Phantom.
About the Block 50 having worse maneuverability than Block 15... The best F-16 in that department was/is Block 30. It can still go against anything... F-16s after Block 30 went progressively fatter, because they needed to be able to carry more/heavier weapon systems. They were not the light fighter F-16A was. But..they they don't need to ... Radars/electronics/defence suits make the game after the 2ks. Now about the plane...they could have used Block 20... But they will need something more to bring in next patches and I think...Japan tree with new sub tree/nation included or even possible to be included is reaching its limit. So it is expected to prolong things to have something to give them the next patches.
i had a plan to research F-16AJ after i get the squadron F-5 to skip the phantom, and now i'm still 45k points away from it but i will have to research 2 other planes i will never fly... i also pray that the number of planes to get to rank 8 won't be more than 4, because then i will have to research another bunch of pointless planes. i guess the snail just couldn't resist an urge to add another regiment of clones even though there are no droids for them to fight...
Kinda feel the same in JF17 now, less countermeasures, less engine power and no HMD. I know JF17 has lower br but 13.3 nowadays really get into uptier, 3/10 in 14.0 and 6/10 in 13.7
Lol, feel you could replace all the times Lee has said "F-16" in this video with "F-4" it'd pretty accurately describe the F-4F KWS LV on release. Granted, it was 13.3 and not 13.7, but still. RIP Japan players that like F-16s. Hope y'all get your F-2 soon.
Also 6 maverics with 2 and replace part about anything good in flight performance to being nearly uncapable of breaking sound barrier with full load and losing all speed in 2-3 turns which are also not that fast.
@cristavon it's not a correction, I'm well aware that they have one. I also didn't say that they didn't have a 13.7 with HMD. You might want to relisten to that.
@@GeneralLee2000 I think we were both wrong I forgot about the new grippen so they have 1 hmd you mentioned after I heard you say they had no 13.7 hmd vehicles but they didn't have any 13.3 vehicles with hmd either
@cristavon I didn't say that man 😅. I said Japan is now the only nation to have a 13.7 without HMD. I then went on to say that there are vehicles at 13.3 without it, but this is a first for 13.7.
See that's a big thing about top tier that people don't talk about. After working your way through all the unique props and early jets, you get used to knowing the strengths and weaknesses of enemy vehicles. Once you pass 11.0 it's nearly impossible because all F4s show as F4s on radar. All f14s as f14s and so on... It's much harder to differentiate and know what you're up against. This fact alone hinders so many players going into top tier without the added learning curve of BVR combat.
What a weird frankenstein of a F-16 they added, should've just skipped to the MLU version because this OCU doesn't even have the necessary equipment to be firing those AMRAAMs. How is this thing sitting at the same BR as the F-16C and other 13.7 F-16s while it has 50% or even more less CMs, no HMD, worse radar, and way worse ground ordinance.
I honestly don’t know why they gave this AMRAAMs when it was given them way outside of their actual service. This could’ve just been like a F16A with strike capability for ground targets at like 12.3-12.7
I love how Japan gets a paper proposal F-16 (that isn't even accurate to said proposal) and now an extremely lacking F-16A instead of any of the F-2 or XF-2 models. What's next, are they adding an USAF F-16C to japan because it was stationed at Okinawa?
*And* Gaijin put AMRAAMs on a version of the F-16A that isn't compatible with them. Even though Thailand used two models that *could* use AMRAAM, the ADF and (e)MLU.
2:54. May we also add that the F5E FCU, a plane which is great at its battle rating, has the same amount of python 3's (if you decide to take only 2 IR missiles on the F16). You may ask, what is this battle rating. 11.3. More than 2 BR's lower than this. Its just sad. It also gets the SAME amount of countermeasures.
J-10 actually still keeps up with the Euro in dogfights, especially in rolling scissors and stall fights since the J-10 has better nose authority at lower speeds. This still heavily depends on the fuel load as well ofc but yeah. Nonetheless there is nothing that makes me want to get that f-16 :D
try flying the british gripen now at top tier, its horrible, you get shat on by F-15Es in space while you have no chance of getting kills further than 10km because of the R-farters being the worst fox 3 in the game (excl. aim54). Couple that with the cloudy maps, broken multipathing, and the previous fm nerfs, its a pain to fly
Thank you very much you save me some silver lions I will not be crewing any of the Thailand except for the Griffin I was looking forward to this 16 but after what you said I understand that is probably the worst F-16 at a battle rating
The F5T is the best F5 in the game, the Alpha Jet TH is a nice subsonic strike, the Gripen is obv good, the F16 just needs its bugged chaff pods, and the Harrier isnt bad at all.
Kinda, depends on how nice gaijin is. The F-2 doesnt have HMD and is heavier than a normal F-16 but it will turn a bit better with the larger airframe. Its real strong point is the AESA radar and who knows how gaijin will model that given the current AESA radars. Also it will probably be limited to 4 IR and 4 Radar missiles unless gaijin counts the 1 time in 1997 it was shown off with 6 Radar missiles.
@ it’s main focus is anti naval warfare not air superiority like the F-15J that does have HMD. I’ve never seen a picture of an F-2 nor heard of an upgrade that gave it said capability. I’d love to be wrong in this but i’m pretty positive it does not have one because it’s main role being anti ship does not necessitate the use of HMD
4:12 currently in WT, almost every single game is a full 1.0 uptier. Well 13.7 to 14.0 is .3 but thats just going to happen. For whatever reason on God's green earth, Gaijin flat out refuses to increase brs and tiers. Yes they just added 14.0 but it's clearly NOT helping.
What's historically inaccurate is the F-16A OCU having AMRAAM. It didn't have a compatible radar. It should lose the AMRAAMs and get moved down to 13.0. For AMRAAM-slingers the F-16A ADF and F-16A (e)MLU could be added. The latter being about the same as an F-16C, and the former being air-to-air only.
at this point Gaijin is just being personal not wanting to give good CAS for Japan CAS is so important in GRB right now so Japan main kinda have to grind this plane which is Crime
15 minutes ago, sheeeesh. Love your videos, thanks to them yesterday bought J-7D with your decal! Merry Christmas and Happy coming New Year to everyone!
Welp that's disappointing but nice to know. Was mildly looking forward to getting a top tier F-16 once I got through their newly introduced grind extension to Japan this update. NVM that now tho lol
I think it would be fine if it had chaff bods on the inner pylons, and i saw someone get bugged loadout text with the pods. So hoping that is just a bug and we can get more CM, then it would be alright, kinda like a middle point between the f16aj and the much better F-2. Speaking of, the F-2 has no HMD historically, right? SO with it not having the best radar anymore do you think it will be DOA? I feel like the aam-3 aam-4 combo will be nice but maybe not enough.
Well it is meant to be ground attack. That was the whole point for the Thai tech tree. Japan already has an F15 for air so it's not like it needed to be good at air. Yall just coping at this point not understanding why they added it. It's like taking the A-10C to ARB. Its overtiered because of its missiles. Morons.
I wonder if Gaijin will give the USA any of the F-16 blocks that only other trees have. This would spread out new USA releases, but maybe the F/A-18 drought will turn into a sudden flood.
Multipath was better when you had more altitude to work with (100m). A lot of the maps have trees and even 2 story buildings that are 50-60ft tall. Where in the world do 120ft palm trees grow?.
Do people not know F16A in the American tech tree exists? Every downside you brought up against the Japanese F16 exist for the American one and more. It doesn't even get radar missiles, the only way to fight with it is in CQB and best of luck doing that with the flare hungry 9Ls. It has no defensive capability due to limited countermeasures and no offensive capability due to only having 9Ls against FOX 1s and FOX3s. I struggle to understand why this plane exists for ARB.
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Of fu*king course they pick the OCU block 15 with no HMD instead of MLU block 20 with HMD capabilitie that RTAF also have. Why don't just use MLU block 20? I don't know if our F-16AM have the same kit that the AM in Benelux tree have(extra CM and MAWs) but atleast it will get HMD. Why pick OCU block 15 when there is better variant? Pretty sure that our MLU block 20 doesn't have any game breaking kit that prevent them from choosing it.
Gaijin is sending us a message
also OCU doesnt even have the Radar to actually use aim 120 irl. so they shouldnt even work on it to begin with.
without them it could be comfortable at 13.0 if its gets its missing Flare/chaff dispensers.
@@nattapongpimson7994 RTAF F-16 eMLU isn’t block 15. The eMLU basically an European MLU with some upgraded components, but no PIDS (CM + MAWS)
Personally, i think that gaijin should fix their fuckup and replace the OCU with the MLU. Of course they wont and they will just make it wildly unrealistic just to make it competent. Or they will pull a classic and add it next update making the grind for the thai gripen even longer
Anything would've been better than this...
- Fixed Thai OCU would have no AMRAAM (lower BR), AGM-65G-2 and 120 countermeasures
- Thai ADF could've been added alongside it as air to air F-16 (like the US F-16A folder) with AMRAAM and 120 countermeasures as well
- eMLU upgrade could've combined both by essentially being the OCU but with thermal pod, HMD, APG-68(V)9 radar and AMRAAM
I have no idea how they chose such a bad option when literally everything else could've been amazing
No HMD is wild for a top teir F-16.
Benelux F-16AM should've got one but gaijin didn't gave it the radar hmd capability
@@mike7074 Yes, I was about to comment that. I guess it "technically" gets HMD but only for IR missiles so who cares
@@mike7074 i grinded the Rafale with the f16am and I don't think it needs HMD for radar it's a very good plane you need to switch between tower ACM and regular ACM and you can do almost anything you can do with HMD you just need to be good at switching the ACM
@@mike7074 also another benefit is that ACM locks the target way quicker than HMD i sometimes even use ACM on my Rafale
F16AM
Remember, this is the same br as f16c
matchmaker sez it 14.0 all day
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Yeah multipathing is just pure gambling at the moment.
Don't you just love playing RNGthunder, comrade?
Lost what should have been an easy dogfight with the CS4 Mirage to a Su-33 cause one of his radar missiles (probably an R-27) just so happens to proxy on me leaving me unable to aim properly (skill issue definitely involved, but wouldn't have been a problem if it didn't damage me). The gambling mostly happens when you're flying straight from my experience but I don't know anymore.
Yeah i don't think i would feel too safe hugging the ground at 60m off the ground nearing mach 1 as i have a rwr screaming at me either
Let's go GAMBLING!!
Yeah, one match the multipath can avoid the fox 3 another match you'll die from it.
not really, I use purely multipathing to dodge fox 3's and it works perfectly fine and I can get around a couple kills a game
Gaijin has mixed many things into this F-16, as far as I know, actual Block 15 OCU (Lighting 103rd Squadron) of RTAF haven't been upgraded at all. Which by Gaijin adding AIM-120A is just "Balancing". Only the Viper 403rd Squadron, the Block 15 OCU is upgraded to eMLU standard, technically European MLU but better radar.
If that's the case, they should have just made this f16 a fox 1 only, at 12.7 br lol
@@victormorales8990 the standard OCU is NOT capable of shooting Fox 1.
Why couldn't Gaijin just skip this poor excuse of a F-16 and give my my GODDAMN F-14D with Aim-120?
Because they won't give us the F-2.
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@@GeneralLee2000 real?
@@thebusmanwasI hope no. Please gaijin, left top tier quit. No top tier premium 😅
HMDless F-16 to prepare Japanese players for the overtiered and way-too-late-to-the-party Mitsubishi F-2
It definitely won't be way-too-late, especially considering the fact that AESA radars aren't even modelled properly yet, so it's not like it being in the game now instead of later(when more nations will get jets with AESA radars) takes away it's moment to shine
@@bish189 Bold of you to assume AESA radar is modelled incorrectly since Gaijin has already came out and said AESA radars won't be as ground breaking as the players think. Not to mention the event Kfir which was hyped by Gaijin because of its AESA radar (in the devblog), and yet it's just a faster scanning PD radar. Right now I'm on the opinion that THIS is what AESA will be in game, later models will just scan faster or whatever
>so it's not like it being in the game now instead of later(when more nations will get jets with AESA radars) takes away it's moment to shine
Yeah that's kinda my point
the F-2 was the first production fighter with an AESA, it should have been the first in game, and even if we ignore the historical significance, it's still just a fatass F-16 with no HMD or any advanced avionics (aside from AESA obviously). Later AESA planes are VASTLY superior to the F-2, even a basic F-15 with AESA, let alone a Typhoon or Gripen
Buddy, when the F2 hits the deck it will probably have by far, the very best radar in the game lol, only when we get gen 5 and late rafale/typhoon blocks/tranches will they be at F-2 levels of radar
@@yester8039definitely not once the F-15E and C get their AESA they will be better than the F-2 keep in mind it was the first plane to get AESA along with the F-15J and also keep in mind the F-15E will hands down get the BEST radar of the aesa equipped planes
@@bish189 Bold of you to assume AESA are modelled "incorrectly" according to Gaijin. They just hyped up a new event vehicle (in the devblog) for having AESA, yet it's just a faster scanning PD, the Rafale is also just a faster scanning PD, not to mention Gaijin already said AESA won't be as ground breaking as players think. Right now I think later AESA will just have faster scan rate
>, so it's not like it being in the game now instead of later(when more nations will get jets with AESA radars) takes away it's moment to shine
That's kinda my point, the F-2 was the first production fighter to have an AESA, so it naturally should've been the first to get one in game, but even with its historical significance aside, the F-2 is still just a bigger F-16 that turns better, it doesn't have any advanced avionics (aside from the obvious AESA) and it doesn't have an HMD either, later AESA planes will be VASTLY superior to the F-2, even just an F-15 with AESA, let alone a Typhoon or Gripen
Now you understand Italian F16ADF Block 15 users who don't even have amraams..
Id rather not have amraams on this PoS. Replace the AJ with this and give it 7Fs or 7Ms and it'll be perfect. Replace this with the eMLU and then it's perfect
@PerciusLive Top Tier BR decompression exclusively based on either generations and or game battle data is a must. Gaijin purposefully not adding in AMRAAMs to the Italian export versions is criminal considering they actually did have amraams on the Upgraded conversions and B models. then the nerve to place it at 12.7 where it can be uptiered to AMRAAM IRCCM territory with aim 7Ms and 9L's only for the ADV is hogwash, honestly.
The fact that a Tornado ADV/IDS (1995) alongside, can potentially face AMRAAM-A's, the variants.. etc is insane. The only solace is that I have the F2000A now.
I'd gladly hand the AMRAAMs over to Italy considering the Thai OCU couldn't even carry them.
F16ADF is 1.0 br lower
@@6uis1948 For Italy it's 12.7
The OCU wasn't even capable of using AMRAAM. The only Thai F-16s that had AIM-120 compatible radars are the ADF and (e)MLU. Gaijin botched this one *horribly.* The Thai subtree should've gotten the OCU at 13.0, the ADF (with AMRAAM) at 13.3, and the (e)MLU at 13.7.
Oh no Japan getting shafted again? color me surprised....
if theyre going to halfbake it, they couldve just given us the F-2.
visually another F16 but slight differences in weight etc.
but what do i know? XD
It'd be cool to have the F-2, at least it would be unique in its loadout with different A2A Missiles. Visually its a big bigger with a different wing and elevator shape. Surely has to be in the pipeline for Japan at some point.
Although it has 2 more missiles because of the wings and an AESA radar. Wich wouldn't be hard to model but honestly I suspect that we get a F2 until the September patch if not sooner
Dont forget that dots dont even render until spotted this makes it way worse.
If the F4F ice taught us anything it’s that AMRAAMs are more effective at killing the planes they are mounted on than the ones they are fired at.
F-4F KWS should be 12.7, but then it'll still stomp 11.7, just Gaijin being dumb as usual, reduce full uptiers from 1.0 to 0.7 it'll be a much better expercience for both downtiers and uptiers
Like no, a Phantom shouldn't be at the same br as F-15As, high end MiG-29s, Su-27 and more because it gets 4 amraams. Why are F-14B and IRIAF 12.7 wiwh better flight perfs for the B and comparable missiles for the IRIAF then ?!
"It sucks" keeps showing off getting multiple kills with it lol
Gaijin: we heard that Japan's grind to top tier is bad so we added Thai fighters to make Japan's top tier worth it
also Gaijin: makes the top tier Thai fighters ass
And makes grind to top tier 2-3 times longer, and new planes are only useful for cas, because for air battles you take F-15J that is already present.
now that I know that this F-16 doesn't get thermal with the targeting pod I won't bother grinding it's mods and just focus on my Gripen
The Belgian F-16A is worse. With the Thai MLU, you can do all chaff and launch all of your AMRAAMS at the start of the game. The Belgian F-16A gets uptiered to 13.7 or 14.0 pretty much every game and you only have AIM-9M's. It's basically a JAS-39A with no HMD, a worse flight model, and you can't take BOL pods on sidewinder pylons. Before the last update, it was 13.3 despite only having AIM-9M's.
What? The Belgian F-16A is literally the best F-16A in the game . The problem it has it’s its constant uptiers, not the plane itself. I used to be able to get pretty consistent down tiers to fight F-4Ss and stuff with it (which it absolutely seal clubs), so it’s problem is BR compression in general.
@@georgefeldman5647 You got full downtiers at 13.3 when it was added to the game with FOX-3's? The Mig-29G was 12.7 when the Belgian F-16A was 13.3 but it has R-73's and R-27ER's.
@@BENKYism my bad, it WAS the best one in the game. When it was first added to the game it was 12.0 (before the brackets got moved up 0.7). At that BR it was getting plenty of down tiers to F-4Ss.
12.0 with Aim-9Ms. At the time of release it was literally the most OP jet in the history of War Thunder. Then they overtired it to compensate for how gratuitously OP it was at its launch. It has the record for the highest kill streak from a single vehicle in all game modes.
@@georgefeldman5647 It's the worst F-16 in the game now. It was the best F-16 in the game before they raised the BR cap to 13.7.
2:25 it seems that since the multipath changes, dropping missiles from top down is more consistent with killing multipathers, not because of splash damage but because they come top down, so even with multipathing, the missile will still hit or proxy directly on you rather than hitting the ground anyways.
solution: you have to stay below the launched missile and get into a notch relative to the missile radar, then you can defeat the missile without the usage of chaff. (it is still hard to make this work to be clear, the low countermeasure count sucks)
I checked the replay, this wasn't top down and it did hit the ground 💀. It just splash damaged me
@GeneralLee2000 well! in that case, gg lmao. should've dodged the splash damage fragments skill issue /j
probably better to try to go into a notch even at low altitude, but I recognize this is oftentimes not feasible if you're at multipath height in the first place
it is identical to the f16AM, but with fewer countermeasures.
both should be 13.3 along with jf17.
f 16AM does not have HMD, the plane's x-ray says it has it, but it does not, only ACM
Like I said in the video, it does have HMD, just not radar HMD. It slaves the sidewinders, which considering I usually run 2 is useful... This has nothing.
not to mention the F16 MLU which is missing the majority of its armament: 90 flare, aim 9P4, aim 9M, aim 120, GBU, GNSS bomb, another version of the maverick
And somehow it’s not the most gimped f16. Justice for the block 20
Brother got spooked so hard he switched to sim controls after the missile was trashed. Anyway thanks for the advice since I have access to the Thailand tree and will be grinding it out soon. This F16 looks like its one of the 13.7s that will get slammed by the Su-33 so im just not gonna grind it and stick to the F-5T SCU. It baffles me how this thing comes at 13.7 also since the MiG-29SMT is at 13.3 and while having a horrible FM, at least gets HMD and a lot of countermeasures to go with its R-77s.
They need to bring back 100m multipathing and re-buff notching/multipathing.
The emphasis on buffing radar missiles sets a bad precedent for future changes. Eventually AESA radars and AESA missiles, which are mostly immune to but the most perfect notching will be added (Gaijin WILL have to make AESA weaponry better somehow) and going cold will be your only option pretty much.
It's like the jet version of naval top tier (without AI targets) where no ships want to shoot at each other and just hide behind cover all day. In this case it will be running back to the airfield.
This won't be a issue if there's no module grind and that the game is balanced with no uptiering, but it is not, and it will make the jet grind so much worse than it is right now.
I believe the F16A in the French tech tree is a good contender as one of the « worst » f16. While it does have more countermeasures and HMD for its missiles, it’s quite is quite lacking. Unlike most (all?) other 13.0 jets, it completely lacks any form of radar missiles. Which was doable before the ARH arrived and IR missiles were the META, but is incredibly underpowered when most games are 13.7-14.0 and ARH are flying all around.
The AIM9Ms are good, but not good enough to warrant this plane fighting top tier most of the time
The 13.0 f16a absolutely slaps with a stalker no radar play style you can easily get 3 kd with the aim 9m it's a lot of fun
Can't be as bad as the USA F-16A that's got 9Ls fighting amraams and fakours
Lmfao, right?
@@pandoranbias1622 One of the most terrible experiences you can have. Literally every single match is a full uptier so being "only" at 12.7 is a moot point.
@@pandoranbias1622 it's much worse than the F-16A Block 10 by BR.
@@Cloud_Stratus Fully agree the uptiers is what ruins the plane
The plane is great on its own but then you get uptiered to 13.7 and see nearly every top tier plane with fox 3
And you only get 60cm total and you dont even have a sparrow Just the shitty 9L that even a premium player that accidentally drops a flare will evade
Meanwhile everyone else is slinging 9M and Aim-120 at you
@@GeneralLee2000 but the f16a only sees 13.7. its mechanically the same br.
Speaking of things that are MASSIVE
The F-16 OCU might as well be a high tier premium plane. It has the same amount of flares & chaff as the F4s Phantom.
F-16 OCU not a bad plane as well not a great plane. Same goes for the F4s Phantom.
Your problem isn’t with the plane. It’s with the lovely br compression
Just saying, the Su34 does get thermals on its camera. not the targeting pod, but it’s tv camera gets gen 3 thermals
About the Block 50 having worse maneuverability than Block 15...
The best F-16 in that department was/is Block 30. It can still go against anything... F-16s after Block 30 went progressively fatter, because they needed to be able to carry more/heavier weapon systems. They were not the light fighter F-16A was. But..they they don't need to ... Radars/electronics/defence suits make the game after the 2ks.
Now about the plane...they could have used Block 20... But they will need something more to bring in next patches and I think...Japan tree with new sub tree/nation included or even possible to be included is reaching its limit. So it is expected to prolong things to have something to give them the next patches.
i had a plan to research F-16AJ after i get the squadron F-5 to skip the phantom, and now i'm still 45k points away from it but i will have to research 2 other planes i will never fly...
i also pray that the number of planes to get to rank 8 won't be more than 4, because then i will have to research another bunch of pointless planes.
i guess the snail just couldn't resist an urge to add another regiment of clones even though there are no droids for them to fight...
Kinda feel the same in JF17 now, less countermeasures, less engine power and no HMD. I know JF17 has lower br but 13.3 nowadays really get into uptier, 3/10 in 14.0 and 6/10 in 13.7
Lol, feel you could replace all the times Lee has said "F-16" in this video with "F-4" it'd pretty accurately describe the F-4F KWS LV on release. Granted, it was 13.3 and not 13.7, but still. RIP Japan players that like F-16s. Hope y'all get your F-2 soon.
Also 6 maverics with 2 and replace part about anything good in flight performance to being nearly uncapable of breaking sound barrier with full load and losing all speed in 2-3 turns which are also not that fast.
CORRECTION Japan has a 13.7 with an hmd that f15j(m)
@cristavon it's not a correction, I'm well aware that they have one. I also didn't say that they didn't have a 13.7 with HMD. You might want to relisten to that.
@@GeneralLee2000 I think we were both wrong I forgot about the new grippen so they have 1 hmd you mentioned after I heard you say they had no 13.7 hmd vehicles but they didn't have any 13.3 vehicles with hmd either
@cristavon I didn't say that man 😅. I said Japan is now the only nation to have a 13.7 without HMD. I then went on to say that there are vehicles at 13.3 without it, but this is a first for 13.7.
@GeneralLee2000 I understand stand a bit more now
japans never had a 13.3 tho I'm more confused
See that's a big thing about top tier that people don't talk about.
After working your way through all the unique props and early jets, you get used to knowing the strengths and weaknesses of enemy vehicles. Once you pass 11.0 it's nearly impossible because all F4s show as F4s on radar. All f14s as f14s and so on...
It's much harder to differentiate and know what you're up against.
This fact alone hinders so many players going into top tier without the added learning curve of BVR combat.
What a weird frankenstein of a F-16 they added, should've just skipped to the MLU version because this OCU doesn't even have the necessary equipment to be firing those AMRAAMs. How is this thing sitting at the same BR as the F-16C and other 13.7 F-16s while it has 50% or even more less CMs, no HMD, worse radar, and way worse ground ordinance.
I honestly don’t know why they gave this AMRAAMs when it was given them way outside of their actual service. This could’ve just been like a F16A with strike capability for ground targets at like 12.3-12.7
I remember being in the snail mines seeing you slowly lose you mind with this thing lol, I bet this has been a massive weight off your shoulder😅
@@r6sm043 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I love how Japan gets a paper proposal F-16 (that isn't even accurate to said proposal) and now an extremely lacking F-16A instead of any of the F-2 or XF-2 models. What's next, are they adding an USAF F-16C to japan because it was stationed at Okinawa?
*And* Gaijin put AMRAAMs on a version of the F-16A that isn't compatible with them. Even though Thailand used two models that *could* use AMRAAM, the ADF and (e)MLU.
I wish my F-4C had countermeasures...
2:54. May we also add that the F5E FCU, a plane which is great at its battle rating, has the same amount of python 3's (if you decide to take only 2 IR missiles on the F16). You may ask, what is this battle rating. 11.3. More than 2 BR's lower than this. Its just sad. It also gets the SAME amount of countermeasures.
all hornets, f2, f14d: ☠️
J-10 actually still keeps up with the Euro in dogfights, especially in rolling scissors and stall fights since the J-10 has better nose authority at lower speeds. This still heavily depends on the fuel load as well ofc but yeah. Nonetheless there is nothing that makes me want to get that f-16 :D
And its not the best variant of it, only A. Once again chinese planes are underrated and ignored.
totally agree. The B is going to be sooo much better. AESA, better aerodynamics, more thrust and so on. Shits gonna be nice
It could be the F-104S ASA.
That thing is 12.0 right now for some reason
Kfir c7 too
Playing this after amazing F-5 with HMD and Python-3 was a suffer
try flying the british gripen now at top tier, its horrible, you get shat on by F-15Es in space while you have no chance of getting kills further than 10km because of the R-farters being the worst fox 3 in the game (excl. aim54). Couple that with the cloudy maps, broken multipathing, and the previous fm nerfs, its a pain to fly
6:13 SU34 not having thermals is a moot point for a comparison, the KH38s have a better camera than the targeting pod that everyone uses.
Thank you very much you save me some silver lions I will not be crewing any of the Thailand except for the Griffin I was looking forward to this 16 but after what you said I understand that is probably the worst F-16 at a battle rating
The F5T is the best F5 in the game, the Alpha Jet TH is a nice subsonic strike, the Gripen is obv good, the F16 just needs its bugged chaff pods, and the Harrier isnt bad at all.
Instead pf giving Thai f16mlu midlife upgrade with hmd they gave f16a ocu a 1980s f16 strapped with new avionics.
it suffers from su22 squadran syndrom
tleast the f-2 will have to be kinda good. Right?
Right?
Kinda, depends on how nice gaijin is. The F-2 doesnt have HMD and is heavier than a normal F-16 but it will turn a bit better with the larger airframe. Its real strong point is the AESA radar and who knows how gaijin will model that given the current AESA radars. Also it will probably be limited to 4 IR and 4 Radar missiles unless gaijin counts the 1 time in 1997 it was shown off with 6 Radar missiles.
With no HMD? Unlikely.
@ it’s main focus is anti naval warfare not air superiority like the F-15J that does have HMD. I’ve never seen a picture of an F-2 nor heard of an upgrade that gave it said capability. I’d love to be wrong in this but i’m pretty positive it does not have one because it’s main role being anti ship does not necessitate the use of HMD
At least its there
Gaijin just wants to make sure Japan doesn’t get anything good
4:01 It isn’t called “IR HMD” when it’s for IR missiles only Its not a Helmet Mounted Display (HMD) its HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight)
4:12 currently in WT, almost every single game is a full 1.0 uptier. Well 13.7 to 14.0 is .3 but thats just going to happen. For whatever reason on God's green earth, Gaijin flat out refuses to increase brs and tiers. Yes they just added 14.0 but it's clearly NOT helping.
Same as the F16 Netz. Unplayable with the low amount of countermeasures, and in that, you don't even get a radar missile.
The netz actually has a decently usable BR compared to this.
even if its not historically accurate, the countermeasures should be brought more in line with the F-16C for the sake of balance
What's historically inaccurate is the F-16A OCU having AMRAAM. It didn't have a compatible radar. It should lose the AMRAAMs and get moved down to 13.0. For AMRAAM-slingers the F-16A ADF and F-16A (e)MLU could be added. The latter being about the same as an F-16C, and the former being air-to-air only.
They have extra dispensers for that reason. Gjn just didnt add them.
8mavs would occupy the same space as the inner one ones on the others
at this point Gaijin is just being personal not wanting to give good CAS for Japan
CAS is so important in GRB right now
so Japan main kinda have to grind this plane which is Crime
Japan continues to suffer.
Just skip f16 ocu and focus to grippen😅
15 minutes ago, sheeeesh. Love your videos, thanks to them yesterday bought J-7D with your decal! Merry Christmas and Happy coming New Year to everyone!
And a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well! J-7D was an AWESOME pick.
@@GeneralLee2000 yep! I'm enjoying it a lot!!!
Its worth noting the F-16AM has no HMD too
But it does? Like I said it has HMD for its IR missiles just not radar for some reason. This lacks it entirely.
Welp that's disappointing but nice to know. Was mildly looking forward to getting a top tier F-16 once I got through their newly introduced grind extension to Japan this update. NVM that now tho lol
Oh you're in for a treat with that grind ))))))
He is tasting the same medicene what all of the russian players have been tasting for the whole year
F-15J(M) Has HMD at 13.7.
we love Minor Nation taxes
they are basically makin room to later show like they are improving things....
Still better than not having an F-16
F4F still worse than Tornado or Harrier ;)
If he has one
Skip and double it until this becomes F-2
to be fair better than the f16MLU at 12.7 60 small CM 2 aim7M 4 aim9L and if ur stock thats 2 aim9P 2 aim7M vs 13.7 in a full uptier
*_Eeewwww! Aviation...... eeeeewwwww!_*
I think it would be fine if it had chaff bods on the inner pylons, and i saw someone get bugged loadout text with the pods. So hoping that is just a bug and we can get more CM, then it would be alright, kinda like a middle point between the f16aj and the much better F-2.
Speaking of, the F-2 has no HMD historically, right? SO with it not having the best radar anymore do you think it will be DOA? I feel like the aam-3 aam-4 combo will be nice but maybe not enough.
Well it is meant to be ground attack. That was the whole point for the Thai tech tree. Japan already has an F15 for air so it's not like it needed to be good at air. Yall just coping at this point not understanding why they added it. It's like taking the A-10C to ARB. Its overtiered because of its missiles. Morons.
yeah have to make them to shut up
They should put this at 13.3
It should get moved down to 13.3
personally i think gaijin nerfs some of the copy paste planes to encourage you to grind the ones from the manufacturing nation
f-16A without any radar missile is worst
I wonder if Gaijin will give the USA any of the F-16 blocks that only other trees have. This would spread out new USA releases, but maybe the F/A-18 drought will turn into a sudden flood.
Wassup lee?
I’m so out of touch with top tier rn I didn’t even know this was added
@@suzybean13 it was, unfortunately
“A sick decal” …….
@@kingcuz. yes?
@@GeneralLee2000 Yes, sick decal
Got it with Yamashiro yesterday
As a real OCU apperentice avionic maintainer it is really bad F16 lol but i love it real retro jet
Why didn’t Japan just get the F-2…
If France can get the Rafale, then Japan can get the F-2. So, when Gaijin🤷🏻♂️
A shitty f16 instead of the f2.... people say Germany suffers but Japan gets neglected when shit hits the fan.
Is nobody else sick of playing a business model?
*looks at the f16A that ONLY has aim9ls and is constantly at 13.7* but ok lmao.
Multipath was better when you had more altitude to work with (100m). A lot of the maps have trees and even 2 story buildings that are 50-60ft tall. Where in the world do 120ft palm trees grow?.
still has no need to lead with radar. Better than su-27 and -33
Gaijin devs hate japan
It might be bad but the J11A is worse 😭
As a Thai myself, wtf
We don't play Japan because its easy! We play Japan because it's hard!
Now play the regular f-16a
The f15j(m) has a hmd at 13.7 😭
I'm aware? When did I say it didn't?
7:54 and become a brick for no reason because you wouldnt make multikills on top tier either and gbu12 just works fine with less weight
I want to be offended by the f16 slander. But I hated this entire sub tree being added
You can't deny this is bad man...
China bot "good one" too..
Do people not know F16A in the American tech tree exists? Every downside you brought up against the Japanese F16 exist for the American one and more. It doesn't even get radar missiles, the only way to fight with it is in CQB and best of luck doing that with the flare hungry 9Ls.
It has no defensive capability due to limited countermeasures and no offensive capability due to only having 9Ls against FOX 1s and FOX3s. I struggle to understand why this plane exists for ARB.